One of the problems with Aya devices is that they often release new, improved models shortly after you've made your purchase. While it's inevitable for technology to become obsolete over time, you'd expect your device to remain current for longer. Aya's customer support is pretty bad.
Just because they released the 2S doesn’t mean the 2 is obsolete, get out of here with that nonsense. If you keep waiting for the very latest, you’re going to be waiting forever. Stop being dumb.
The Price of the Asus Ally is really gonna hurt the sales on these. Sure you can save a few bucks on early bird prices if you get the base model. But why not just buy from a more well known company like Asus?
yea, bro, this is exactly why i bought the rog ally over the ayaneo or other handheld windows pc. buying ayaneo is like gambling ur money and hoping things will be fine cuz the chance u get any customer support is slim
The name recognition and the official service center is gonna be the killer feature of Ally compared to these Chinese brands, not to mention the price.
@@hgh1727 I hear ya but I’ve owned many high end devices from clevo, eurocom, evoc and onexplayer and never had an issue with customer service and most issues I can fix so it’s worth it to me.
@@jaymatthew73815-22W not alot of power, it's just size compromising, like Aokzeo Pro have a decent battery size can do 2.5 to 3hrs of gaming at decent wattage..... What matters is battery size and this gonna improve over time with solid state like someone mentioned
Recent videos on air jet seemed to imply 28w cooling would require a 15” chassis due to the size of the units. I think it would be hard to cool 15w+ with air jets for at least the next couple years, though I’d love to be proved wrong.
I'm more than comfortable with the price, I just wish we could start getting these handhelds at U.S. retailers or through Amazon (without the inflated price tag).
I have the Neo 2 an I'm looking forward to upgrading when Aya releases the upgrade kit. I'm hoping we can send it to them for the upgrade. The screen is incredible, I've done a lot of testing recently because of that screen, the colors, contrast, color depth are insane, because it's not boosted contrast or inflated numbers, the screen is able to get deeper richer colors WITHOUT sacrificing details or clipping colors. It's better than the average gaming monitor a typical gamer would have. It's far superior to the LG 1440p 165hz monitor I own and is much closer to my LG C2 OLED TV.
@@TheTheShizzler only speakers and cooling system .. no hw upgrades. Company offered to upgrade aya 2 to new gen apu, but no date or price about this . Seems like a very complicated and unrealistic solution to me.
@@tomoprime217yes but a smaller device also means smaller battery and worse heat dissaption. If battery is your biggest concern always go for the bigger device
@@iceicebaby8469 Yeah and I keep on laughing at how dubous this act is, already ordered the Ally and just waiting. Not falling for these devices at all.
I bought the ayaneo 2s 32gb 512gb model.for me 32gb was essential as I’ll be playing games / doing things that utilise it. I had considered the rog, but I’m not a fan of its aesthetic / ASUS’ recent antics with their motherboards and their proprietary egpu slot. I’ll be using the aya hooked up to a 3070 for any desk gaming. So for me it was aesthetic/ram capacity and adverse media on Asus that influenced my decision.
If this had the same quality control, customer support, etc that you’d get if the company was bigger and more worldwide I would get this over ANY other handheld gaming device.
But what support u mean ? It can run every game u get on the other consoles and u get all the same games ? Switch is inclusive always. PS-sony has no handheld xbox Has no handheld Steam handheld got the same games That new one from Asus also the same games (by the way asus sucks, even worse than no support)
We’re already on gen 2,3,4,5,6 depending what company you’re looking at. GPD especially. Its the shipping time and availability and price thats holding everything back
@@percyvolnar8010 I've slain through games on the SD, and never had any complaints about the screen. I had the Switch lite prior to the SD, and I think the SD has a slightly better screen than that one. I didn't mind the Switch lite either, I guess I'm not that picky.
@@panamike6178 You're comparing the steam deck to nintendo decks and thats fine. i'm comparing the Steam deck to the very handhelds that inspired it. I am a handheld enthusiast and I own 3 Onexplayers, 3 Ayaneo devices, and 2 GPD devices. Mind you these devices were available before the SD even launched. pretty much all of them had better screens than the SD. In the past, ive done videos showing all of the devices side-by-side.
I think I still prefer the ROG ally at this point. The AYANEO just isn’t doing it for me. Yet. Preordered the Ally. Let’s see if I’ve made the right choice.
Bro there’s literally no reason to upgrade… it’s called 2S for a reason. Mobile pc buyers are worse than apple buyers lol. No reason to upgrade at all. Wait two more generations at least. The 6800u is viable for the next 3 years.
@@cookicooker thats why I wrote the word almost… I would totally get the Ayaneo over the ROG Ally but for that price I can have a gaming laptop with many times bigger power…ROG Ally is sadly much better priced here…
the funny thing is by the time im able to put aside some cash, some other brand will release a better handheld and i have to watch tons of reviews of it before comitting to purchase, these price tags aren't a joke lmao
My only issue with these handhelds is the controller layout is cramped. The sticks are directly above or below the buttons & dpad. Causes me muscle pain. Xbox & playstation controllers have an ergonomic layout "V". Sticks are offset. up and to the left or right allowing natural range of motion for those thumbs. Ill probably still buy this one lol
I am really interested in the comparison of this to the AOKZOE A1 Pro. People keep comparing this to the ROG Ally but I think the AOKZOE is a better comparison. It’s a bit cheaper, has a bigger screen, and bigger battery, same proc, more memory, more storage. Both Indiegogo campaigns. The Ally you can just pick up from BestBuy which is nice, and has a120hz screen, but that is about it from what I can see. I am also wondering how support will be on these. I would assume the ROG Ally will have better support, but I have never dealt with Ayaneo or AOKZOE and wonder about that.
I don't know about this device but the aokzoe a1 pro has a locked vram 6 gig for the 32 gig and 8 gig for the 64 gig. It seems aokzoe wants to keep this secret because they don't state it in their specifications I had to read it in the questions on indiegogo. Really turned me off to the a1 or any aokzoe device. And by locked I mean bios locked and you cannot unlock it.
@@Nachoscrosshair I'm sure it'll be unlocked at some point, and it's still more than the 3-4GB set on devices like the Ally. I know you can change it on the Ally, but then you'll have much less ram for the rest of the system.
Support on AOKZOE is nonexistent for the non-Chinese market. they have no presence on global social media platforms, their sole website in English is a sales site, and their English sales site doesn't have any tech support options (their Chinese one does). AYANEO are making the effort to support the international market. They have a UA-cam channel (not easy for a China based company), and seem to have more content and go the extra mile for their English speaking customers. I'd go with the AYANEO 2S over anything AOKZOE. A tech company that makes an effort to reach out globally (instead of treating their global customers as cash cows to provide support for their domestic market) is trustworthy enough in my book. I live in Asia, I understand the stance most Chinese tech companies have to the rest of the world, including other Asian markets (i.e. no stance nor care beyond selling units/produce for their own expansion domestically supporting Chinese customers), so a company like AYANEO is rare. I wouldn't hold my breath over AOKZOE...
as always, top notch info. Thank you for all your hard work. I know benchmarking is very time consuming, but would you be able to post comparison results vs the Ally at both 5W and 10W as well as higher power modes? It seems most reviewers don't test that low on the Z1E, but I would argue they are the most important power levels, given the nature of the portable nature of the product. Thanks again!
spec wise it should be round the same as the Z1 chips, but the differences will be in the sofware as Linux and Valve SteamOS can squeeze better performance where as Windows is damn system hog and drivers are still young for the 7800u/Z1 chips. The ideal set up is these latest chips 7840u/Z1 with matured drivers running on Linux...and Linux finally getting around 95% compatability PLUS some application/distro standards..because right now those are the two big things holding Linux Back from toppling Windows as the best gaming platform for PC.
@@AdmiralBison no he was trying to say the aya neo and rog are about the same performance but thats simply not the case the aya neo is 15-20% faster than the rog. Not only is the chip a bit faster bc its meant for bigger hardware like laptops it also has faster ram at 7500mhz vs 6400mhz
At these prices no chance in competition for any of these Handhelds from China. Unfortunately there's absolutely nothing ETA can say to make anyone invest this much money on a device that will have less support and inferior Specs on some areas and the same on others comparing to the Ally. ROG has killed theses smaller brands. Ayaneo has released almost 4 devices in less than a Year. Wtf 😂
Exactly 699 USD and can buy any time for that price plus there are special offers like black friday where this device still can go down, plus for repair not need to worry there are asus service center everywhere. That Aya Neo early price only for a low number of stock after that is kek. Me will buy rog ally too
It’s it actually running the ram at 7500 because on indiegogo it says 7500 ram at 6400 for compatibility. Anyways right stick looks like a nightmare to use being that low
always interested with ayaneo products .. ill give it more time to see how that aya o.s will turn out. and hopefully they can sell retail in the future
Its simple. With ayaneo it is like with laptops, new mobile components come out and they try to adapt them to current standards. Just see how often laptop manufacturers release new models.
Honestly i wish the AyaNeo 2s prices were closer to what the Geek1s prices are (then I may have pulled the trigger). No doubt the AyaNeo2s is the best 7' handheld in the world, with the only thing something like Rog Ally has over it is the 120hz FreeSynch display (i still like the AyaNeo bezel-less display more). I feel like the pricing structure at atleast $100 less for every AyaNeo model and size configuration (where the hell is 1tb storage, why only 512 and 2tb?) would be more competetive, and ideally $200 less for each model (at which point I'd probably buy my first handheld).
@@slickrounder6045 I did notice I couldn't find a 1tb model haha that really doesn't make sense. A 1tb model with a price close to the ROG would be very competitive. My main concern with Ayaneo is the support and software stuff. Like valve and asus is so big and mainstream not much to worry about. So for now I'll keep my ROG pre order and just keep learning
The top-spec Ayaneo 2S being crowdfunded on Indiegogo now has 64GB DDR5 RAM, 4 TB SSD with the Ryzen 7 7840U in such a small form factor. It is 20% off now and in a different league altogether compared to the competition for the people who can afford to spend more. You don't really need a 120htz refresh rate screen when most games will not push beyond 60FPS on medium to high settings in a device this small. 1200p makes the screen even better. Even laptops don't come with these high specs for this price range. I have the Ayaneo 2 2TB and I absolutely love using it. It has worked flawlessly to date. Sad that Ayaneo is not giving any incentives for us who purchased Ayaneo 2 which is barely 3 months old. Still me being a sucker for handhelds, I have paid for the 64GB 4TB one on Indiegogo. If only it came out with normal colours for the top-spec instead of one with the gaudy "B.Duck" print.
I love my Ayaneo 2 B.Duck and the new black one looks really cool IMO. It's not only 120hz that is the benefit of the Ally screen, it's the VRR. So you get smooth gameplay even if you get some FPS dips.
Yeahhh i am totally getting the AYANEO 2S or the GEEK 1S finally a ASUS ROG Ally and Steam Deck Killer, more resolution, better form factor, bezel-less borders, faster RAM and 50 Wh battery it's crazy, this is how you do it!!!
I bought the Aya Neo 2021 Retro Power Pro to future proof my purchase lmao. Would love the Aya 2s but gotta stick to my old trusty potatoe handheld haha
Great device and all, but personally I prefer the traditional laptop form factor. Hope more companies jump in and do what GPD does on their Max lineup.
I have to agree, there are traditional gaming setups that cost less and play harder than what is provided on MSM using any handheld that is forced upon me for the direct west shoot to be quested? Simple thing elopes
Great overview as always bruh. I'm really interested in the PS3 emulation. I know that Skate works but I was wondering if you could throw in either NCAA Football 13 or 14 or NCAA Revamped? I'm really interested if this APU can run it. Thanks in advance.
The Rog Ally is cheaper, broader available (can get them now) and a better CPU (thanks to the new update, check Dave2D new video from yesterday). Would be interesting seing a comparison video with performance, battery life, fps, cooling (how warm), weight, screen specs, availability etc... :)
The Z1 extreme is not a better CPU or GPU, basically the same, 7840u is slightly faster. The main advantage here is 7500mt DDR5X ram and 32GB option which should help with future games. The Ally is pretty good though and at a decent price.
ETA Prime your video captivated me to get a 2S so thank you! Question tho… are you getting those frame rates in Cyberpunk without experiencing any ripple effect (form of tearing)? I’m not able to experience those frames unless I tolerate the ripple effect and have AMD FSR enabled through game. I’m using V-Sync to smoothen out games play tho of course I’m not pushing more than 60 frames really.
@@kontonce89 yeah same processor, the placement of sticks is different I believe and lastly I think the bezels aren't bezel less on the geek I think those are only main differences other than on higher end 2s you can get 64 gigs ram but that's only for their special edition 2s's the regular ram size is standard across geek n 2s also at this power level currently the geek screen res would do just fine
I love the design of the 2S but Ayaneo is just not good enough with their support outside of China, the Geek apparently has very bad QA problems with the controls not working whatsoever and a lot of problems with triggers, you are lucky to get help with anything from what I read and there are 0 replacement parts unlike with the AOKZOE theres a lot of parts for replacement
Same reason I went with One X Player 2. Controllers are detachable and there parts available, 3 months in for the device and no issues, 6 months in for my Mini Pro and no issues. People love to knock on Chinese manufacturers but don’t realize everything they buy practically comes from China
i'm kind of sick of youtubers saying "i'm going to leave the link to the product down there" and there is no link, why you guys do that? what is the point?
I'm really enjoying my Ayaneo 2, so I'm not looking to upgrade right now. But that Mini-LED model has me interested. I just want a 7-8" handheld PC with OLED but Mini-LED is really close so I may upgrade then.
Man... I really want to buy a handheld gaming pc, but there's so many coming out I'm afraid I'll pull the trigger on one and it'll be obsolete too soon. I'd really like one with some staying power and maybe some upgrade-ability... I'm tempted to just go with the steam deck because at least it's standardized for my games, but I also want to be able to do other stuff like control a 3d printer with it, so having a more flexible OS is important also...
Perfer the look of this device to the Ally but I'm still getting the Ally as feel will be supported for longer and improve more as it gets updates and more support. That said great to see more players in the market.
I would like to see the best docking options I still have LAN parties and I’m curious if it would be worth it to buy a mini pc or pay extra and get a handheld and dock setup thanks so much love your content
Can you show the comparisons of the synthetic benchmarks against the Ally, SD, and the other 7840U coming out A1 Pro (forgot the name)? It would be super helpful.
People are so hung up on the power of these handhelds. You're taking for granted the controls. Make sure whatever device you're getting has controls that work for you. For example, I love everything about this Ayaneo 2S except for the buttons being directly above the right analog stick. If you're going to use the XBox style layout, the buttons should be in a V-shape like the Xbox Controller, so that your thumb doesn't have to reach over the analog stick. That will cramp your thumb very quickly. Oddly enough, the Ayaneo Geek 1S seems to have the correct layout.
Ayo neo s2 Looks amazing handheld pc gaming console, i've Been interested of Ayo neo handhelds over year and this IS The console i would buy. I want buy this, i like handhelds and have usb c cable. 🎮🖥️
Great video, I have pre-ordered the asus ally, but I want to know which of the two would be better, if you can run Hogwarts legacy, low to high and emulated Zelda tears of the kingdom please. Thank you very much for uploading these videos, they are very helpful for me.
Hey ETA PRIME, do you ever do a review that has some cons to it? Every product you test you make it sound to be perfect with a short term review but won't compare with other products etc
@Alexis he will never do that cause it breaks the mold of his cookie cutter reviews. If you haven't noticed all his reviews are the same just some words swapped around to match whatever device or operating system it is
I really wish we had lower resolution, but higher quality, screens. 720p is enough for this size screen, and it's easier to drive. I'd much rather have OLED than a few extra pixels on such a small device.
ROG Ally Z1 Extreme is the best of best, best quality build, best hardware, can buy at the same price anytime without rushing, and best price in the market!
@@findgod... Is not because Rog Ally has way better chip, better build, better sound, better screen, better heat disipation which are dual quiet fans and all for 699 usd
@etaprime did you have to do something special to run ram at 7500mhz or can it just be picked in bios. Like the average user will be able to set that. Or only on that review device since they havent officially announced 7500 in the discord
can you add cinebench to your synthetic to these handhelds? Im really interested in seeing what kind of rendering performance we can get in these tiny packages.
While it's exciting to see all of these new devices coming out, I seriously wish they would stop releasing them all a few months after they release their last device. I would be pissed if I picked up a previous device only for them to update it a few months down the road
The 6800u is still a beast, and will continue to be one for atleast 3 more years. Stop trying to have the latest because it’s only gonna make you broke or you will be waiting forever trying to time it.
One of the problems with Aya devices is that they often release new, improved models shortly after you've made your purchase. While it's inevitable for technology to become obsolete over time, you'd expect your device to remain current for longer. Aya's customer support is pretty bad.
Just because they released the 2S doesn’t mean the 2 is obsolete, get out of here with that nonsense. If you keep waiting for the very latest, you’re going to be waiting forever. Stop being dumb.
ROG’s pricing basically killed those smaller players
Not really.. this handheld starts at same price as the rog ally, with similar performance, but better battery life.
Huh the Roy Ally with the z1 extreme chip is $700. The comparable 2s is $950.
@@Kevin-sl3gk you're looking at the 1S
Right now on Indiegogo it's cheaper than the ally
@@Negius Yeah, and both models use the same chip and have the same battery capacity.
The Price of the Asus Ally is really gonna hurt the sales on these. Sure you can save a few bucks on early bird prices if you get the base model. But why not just buy from a more well known company like Asus?
yea, bro, this is exactly why i bought the rog ally over the ayaneo or other handheld windows pc. buying ayaneo is like gambling ur money and hoping things will be fine cuz the chance u get any customer support is slim
Only being able to max the ssd to 2tb on the ally is what kills it for me even though I have a 8tb external
The name recognition and the official service center is gonna be the killer feature of Ally compared to these Chinese brands, not to mention the price.
@@hgh1727 I hear ya but I’ve owned many high end devices from clevo, eurocom, evoc and onexplayer and never had an issue with customer service and most issues I can fix so it’s worth it to me.
aya neo is crowd funded. i couldnt tell you why, but even with the ally coming out, aya still got WAY past their goal this time. i wonder why.
I prefer this design over the Ally but the 120hz screen, quiet fans, external graphics, good speakers won me over in the end.
VRR is the killer feature, all handhelds should have it moving forward.
Tell me, why would you need more than 60hz on a handheld? 😅
@@MattWiles retro games
@@Stondiexd lol ok. Wow, what an amazing upgrade. On a 7” screen too. Lol.
@@MattWiles Why not just buy a steam deck then?
The air jet cooling gonna be perfect on handheld devices
We got good enough chip, good cooling, only battery is still too weak
Yup solid state battery needs to come real fast
Same size as 40whr but denser like in aokzoe 67whr shud be decent
@@jaymatthew73815-22W not alot of power, it's just size compromising, like Aokzeo Pro have a decent battery size can do 2.5 to 3hrs of gaming at decent wattage.....
What matters is battery size and this gonna improve over time with solid state like someone mentioned
@@jaymatthew738
Ye in 2000 years we gonna have the same problems powering this handeld up for over 3 hours.
Lol I hope your joking
Recent videos on air jet seemed to imply 28w cooling would require a 15” chassis due to the size of the units. I think it would be hard to cool 15w+ with air jets for at least the next couple years, though I’d love to be proved wrong.
yea, battery seems to be the bottleneck now...every new chip wants more power.
I'm more than comfortable with the price, I just wish we could start getting these handhelds at U.S. retailers or through Amazon (without the inflated price tag).
I have the Neo 2 an I'm looking forward to upgrading when Aya releases the upgrade kit. I'm hoping we can send it to them for the upgrade. The screen is incredible, I've done a lot of testing recently because of that screen, the colors, contrast, color depth are insane, because it's not boosted contrast or inflated numbers, the screen is able to get deeper richer colors WITHOUT sacrificing details or clipping colors. It's better than the average gaming monitor a typical gamer would have. It's far superior to the LG 1440p 165hz monitor I own and is much closer to my LG C2 OLED TV.
They're selling upgrading kits for the regular 2?
I am kinda leaning towards the geek 1s as it seems we'll be gaming mostly at 800p anyways to stretch the battery.
@@TheTheShizzler yes bro
@@TheTheShizzler only speakers and cooling system .. no hw upgrades. Company offered to upgrade aya 2 to new gen apu, but no date or price about this . Seems like a very complicated and unrealistic solution to me.
@@tomoprime217yes but a smaller device also means smaller battery and worse heat dissaption. If battery is your biggest concern always go for the bigger device
Always happy to hear the opinion of a fighter gamer when it comes to d-pads.
Look at what ROG Ally did to Ayaneo's new pricing line
Yes and no, it's just for the early buyers and it's a way to get people to buy their device... The customer support still sucks with Ayaneo.
@@iceicebaby8469 Yeah and I keep on laughing at how dubous this act is, already ordered the Ally and just waiting. Not falling for these devices at all.
what are you talking about the official price of the 2s is $1,139-$1,500 asus didn't do anything to ayaneos prices
I bought the ayaneo 2s 32gb 512gb model.for me 32gb was essential as I’ll be playing games / doing things that utilise it. I had considered the rog, but I’m not a fan of its aesthetic / ASUS’ recent antics with their motherboards and their proprietary egpu slot. I’ll be using the aya hooked up to a 3070 for any desk gaming. So for me it was aesthetic/ram capacity and adverse media on Asus that influenced my decision.
@@Nookie94 good for you 👌🏾
If this had the same quality control, customer support, etc that you’d get if the company was bigger and more worldwide I would get this over ANY other handheld gaming device.
But what support u mean ?
It can run every game u get on the other consoles and u get all the same games ?
Switch is inclusive always.
PS-sony has no handheld
xbox Has no handheld
Steam handheld got the same games
That new one from Asus also the same games (by the way asus sucks, even worse than no support)
honestly same, hopefully they will improve in the future id love to have one of these
It all comes down to price.
Their indigogo is up now. It starts at $700.
@@Kevin-sl3gk Hah
Serves them right
@@redrag0n_ ah yes the handheld with bezels from 2012
@@mytop3467 who cares about bezels?
@@Kevin-sl3gk as stated in the video, regular price is $1,139-$1,500
The most exciting part about all of this for me is, this is only the beginning. Gen2,3,4 of these products are going to be unreal.
Only the beginning of what? They release a new one every 6 months or sell them anyway
We’re already on gen 2,3,4,5,6 depending what company you’re looking at. GPD especially. Its the shipping time and availability and price thats holding everything back
I'm glad the Steam Deck went for a completely different look than all the other handhelds out there.
I'm just laughing or had enough of them there done that before crowd before in the same time to 😢😢
Please. The thing was a rectangle and the screen was absolute garbage compared to 90% of the other handhelds out before and after it.
@@percyvolnar8010 For a lower price and it runs on linux
@@percyvolnar8010 I've slain through games on the SD, and never had any complaints about the screen. I had the Switch lite prior to the SD, and I think the SD has a slightly better screen than that one. I didn't mind the Switch lite either, I guess I'm not that picky.
@@panamike6178 You're comparing the steam deck to nintendo decks and thats fine. i'm comparing the Steam deck to the very handhelds that inspired it. I am a handheld enthusiast and I own 3 Onexplayers, 3 Ayaneo devices, and 2 GPD devices. Mind you these devices were available before the SD even launched. pretty much all of them had better screens than the SD. In the past, ive done videos showing all of the devices side-by-side.
Love to see difference with rog running games at lowest tdp for best/ longest battery specially with autotdp 🎉
Best you'll be able to play on that mode are psp games, and that's to be gentle
I would be tempted to get this one, but considering the import taxes, even the early bird pricing is a bit much.
I'm happy I'm not the only one not buying because of import taxes. Some people think only USA or 0% vat/duty country exists.
@@Frana908 I didn't buy it for the same reason.
Can you share where do you get those awesome dynamic wallpapers?
I love where handhelds are going, I want a future when I have a handheld that can play every game that I want
I think I still prefer the ROG ally at this point. The AYANEO just isn’t doing it for me. Yet. Preordered the Ally. Let’s see if I’ve made the right choice.
Would be great to see a 2 vs 2S comparison. Keen to know if it makes sense to upgrade.
Wow....these Chinese companies just milking fools every 6 months
Bro there’s literally no reason to upgrade… it’s called 2S for a reason. Mobile pc buyers are worse than apple buyers lol. No reason to upgrade at all. Wait two more generations at least. The 6800u is viable for the next 3 years.
Unless money is not an issue for you and you just want the best even if it’s not that much different, don’t do it. It’s a waste of money.
Rog ally for now for me, but certainly excited to see what othr companies comemout with and those prices will only drop more and more i hope
This one is better, you know that right?
@@cookicooker its also gonna be almost twice the money compared to ROG Ally, you know that right?
@@Ragy- sure...
Not twice dude, but sure, much more...
@@cookicooker thats why I wrote the word almost…
I would totally get the Ayaneo over the ROG Ally but for that price I can have a gaming laptop with many times bigger power…ROG Ally is sadly much better priced here…
With that price they can dream. I love the competition in the handheld space right now
the funny thing is by the time im able to put aside some cash, some other brand will release a better handheld and i have to watch tons of reviews of it before comitting to purchase,
these price tags aren't a joke lmao
$1000+ 💀
That’s a beautiful looking handheld!
I love all your videos ETA but I can't afford this. But thank you for teaching me so much over the years
My only issue with these handhelds is the controller layout is cramped. The sticks are directly above or below the buttons & dpad. Causes me muscle pain. Xbox & playstation controllers have an ergonomic layout "V". Sticks are offset. up and to the left or right allowing natural range of motion for those thumbs. Ill probably still buy this one lol
Best device in the "looks" department. Appearance looks futuristic and screen has no bezel.
The Ally has VRR and a landscape display, this has a 32gb 7500mhz ram option and a 25% larger battery, I cant decide!
I am really interested in the comparison of this to the AOKZOE A1 Pro. People keep comparing this to the ROG Ally but I think the AOKZOE is a better comparison. It’s a bit cheaper, has a bigger screen, and bigger battery, same proc, more memory, more storage. Both Indiegogo campaigns. The Ally you can just pick up from BestBuy which is nice, and has a120hz screen, but that is about it from what I can see.
I am also wondering how support will be on these. I would assume the ROG Ally will have better support, but I have never dealt with Ayaneo or AOKZOE and wonder about that.
I was debating between the two, ended up ordering the AOKZOE for the bigger screen and bigger battery, and attractive pricing
I don't know about this device but the aokzoe a1 pro has a locked vram 6 gig for the 32 gig and 8 gig for the 64 gig. It seems aokzoe wants to keep this secret because they don't state it in their specifications I had to read it in the questions on indiegogo. Really turned me off to the a1 or any aokzoe device. And by locked I mean bios locked and you cannot unlock it.
@@Nachoscrosshair I'm sure it'll be unlocked at some point, and it's still more than the 3-4GB set on devices like the Ally. I know you can change it on the Ally, but then you'll have much less ram for the rest of the system.
@@Nachoscrosshair what a dumb reason, tell me what game you’ll be playing that requires more than 6GB VRAM? I’ll wait…
Support on AOKZOE is nonexistent for the non-Chinese market. they have no presence on global social media platforms, their sole website in English is a sales site, and their English sales site doesn't have any tech support options (their Chinese one does).
AYANEO are making the effort to support the international market. They have a UA-cam channel (not easy for a China based company), and seem to have more content and go the extra mile for their English speaking customers.
I'd go with the AYANEO 2S over anything AOKZOE. A tech company that makes an effort to reach out globally (instead of treating their global customers as cash cows to provide support for their domestic market) is trustworthy enough in my book. I live in Asia, I understand the stance most Chinese tech companies have to the rest of the world, including other Asian markets (i.e. no stance nor care beyond selling units/produce for their own expansion domestically supporting Chinese customers), so a company like AYANEO is rare. I wouldn't hold my breath over AOKZOE...
Would love to see a comparison video to the Aokzoe A1 pro instead of rog ally.
The specs are OK but ASUS and Steam is still the king price wise right now but the HAL effect Analog sticks and triggers are a big plus.
Looks amazing and I could imagine it feels amazing in hand
as always, top notch info. Thank you for all your hard work. I know benchmarking is very time consuming, but would you be able to post comparison results vs the Ally at both 5W and 10W as well as higher power modes? It seems most reviewers don't test that low on the Z1E, but I would argue they are the most important power levels, given the nature of the portable nature of the product. Thanks again!
Would be really interested to see some comparisons of this to the ROG to the Steam Deck.
spec wise it should be round the same as the Z1 chips, but the differences will be in the sofware as Linux and Valve SteamOS can squeeze better performance where as Windows is damn system hog and drivers are still young for the 7800u/Z1 chips.
The ideal set up is these latest chips 7840u/Z1 with matured drivers running on Linux...and Linux finally getting around 95% compatability PLUS some application/distro standards..because right now those are the two big things holding Linux Back from toppling Windows as the best gaming platform for PC.
@@AdmiralBisonthat’s incorrect it’s about 20% faster than the rog ally take a look at the benchmarks
@@sergiohernandez7321 the SD is 20% faster than the Z1 chip?
@@AdmiralBison no he was trying to say the aya neo and rog are about the same performance but thats simply not the case the aya neo is 15-20% faster than the rog. Not only is the chip a bit faster bc its meant for bigger hardware like laptops it also has faster ram at 7500mhz vs 6400mhz
Im interested over the Ally mainly for the joysticks, i used the Ally at a demo in Best Buy and i really hate not having full size sticks
At these prices no chance in competition for any of these Handhelds from China. Unfortunately there's absolutely nothing ETA can say to make anyone invest this much money on a device that will have less support and inferior Specs on some areas and the same on others comparing to the Ally. ROG has killed theses smaller brands. Ayaneo has released almost 4 devices in less than a Year. Wtf 😂
Exactly 699 USD and can buy any time for that price plus there are special offers like black friday where this device still can go down, plus for repair not need to worry there are asus service center everywhere. That Aya Neo early price only for a low number of stock after that is kek. Me will buy rog ally too
I mean, you would be right but the Geek 1S actually is significantly cheaper than the ALLY and would outperform it.
You have to fly to China at Ayaneo headquarter to fix this $1000 device 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s it actually running the ram at 7500 because on indiegogo it says 7500 ram at 6400 for compatibility. Anyways right stick looks like a nightmare to use being that low
the best ayaneo yet. I hear this every 6 months...
Hey there. I see you and I live in the same state. I really enjoy your content. It's always very informative. I am now a new subscriber.
always interested with ayaneo products .. ill give it more time to see how that aya o.s will turn out. and hopefully they can sell retail in the future
The software on this looks so much slicker than the Rog Ally's
I get suspicious when a company starts offering 3-5 models a year.
Its simple. With ayaneo it is like with laptops, new mobile components come out and they try to adapt them to current standards. Just see how often laptop manufacturers release new models.
So you’re suspicious of every laptop manufacturer, ever?
@@milkyy4168 With the amount of class actions are you saying you aren't?
Here watching and waiting for my Ally 😁 to get me back to heandhelds after 20 years!
Can't wait to see ROG comparison. The early bird pricing on this 2S 32gb ram and 2tb ssd is actually pretty awesome.
Honestly i wish the AyaNeo 2s prices were closer to what the Geek1s prices are (then I may have pulled the trigger). No doubt the AyaNeo2s is the best 7' handheld in the world, with the only thing something like Rog Ally has over it is the 120hz FreeSynch display (i still like the AyaNeo bezel-less display more). I feel like the pricing structure at atleast $100 less for every AyaNeo model and size configuration (where the hell is 1tb storage, why only 512 and 2tb?) would be more competetive, and ideally $200 less for each model (at which point I'd probably buy my first handheld).
@@slickrounder6045 I did notice I couldn't find a 1tb model haha that really doesn't make sense. A 1tb model with a price close to the ROG would be very competitive. My main concern with Ayaneo is the support and software stuff. Like valve and asus is so big and mainstream not much to worry about. So for now I'll keep my ROG pre order and just keep learning
Why would anyone buy a gaming device from a Chinese company with 0 customer support ?
@@rust2156 why would anyone buy a gaming handheld with good customer service but shitty performance from tiwan like Rog ally or steamdeck 🤣
The top-spec Ayaneo 2S being crowdfunded on Indiegogo now has 64GB DDR5 RAM, 4 TB SSD with the Ryzen 7 7840U in such a small form factor. It is 20% off now and in a different league altogether compared to the competition for the people who can afford to spend more. You don't really need a 120htz refresh rate screen when most games will not push beyond 60FPS on medium to high settings in a device this small. 1200p makes the screen even better. Even laptops don't come with these high specs for this price range. I have the Ayaneo 2 2TB and I absolutely love using it. It has worked flawlessly to date.
Sad that Ayaneo is not giving any incentives for us who purchased Ayaneo 2 which is barely 3 months old. Still me being a sucker for handhelds, I have paid for the 64GB 4TB one on Indiegogo. If only it came out with normal colours for the top-spec instead of one with the gaudy "B.Duck" print.
Except "most" games would go above 60Hz, just not brand new or overly demanding recent triple A titles
@@shahtayyib Maybe platformers and older games could go >60 FPS but if playing at 1200p it would be pushing the device and battery life to the limit.
I love my Ayaneo 2 B.Duck and the new black one looks really cool IMO.
It's not only 120hz that is the benefit of the Ally screen, it's the VRR. So you get smooth gameplay even if you get some FPS dips.
Yeahhh i am totally getting the AYANEO 2S or the GEEK 1S finally a ASUS ROG Ally and Steam Deck Killer, more resolution, better form factor, bezel-less borders, faster RAM and 50 Wh battery it's crazy, this is how you do it!!!
Would be perfect with back buttons. Even the rog ally kinda flopped having only 2 instead of 4. Might wait another generation
Just like the Steam Deck, what will give the Ally the edge over the rest is the price
Pretty much spot on.
Unfortunately even if the Aya neo 2s is priced well, import, shipping and taxes ends up significantly more.
That thing looks really nice, and I like the colour and design of it too.👍
These things don’t stop coming
Akali looks dope
I bought the Aya Neo 2021 Retro Power Pro to future proof my purchase lmao. Would love the Aya 2s but gotta stick to my old trusty potatoe handheld haha
Great device and all, but personally I prefer the traditional laptop form factor. Hope more companies jump in and do what GPD does on their Max lineup.
I have to agree, there are traditional gaming setups that cost less and play harder than what is provided on MSM using any handheld that is forced upon me for the direct west shoot to be quested? Simple thing elopes
such a cool new aya neo release i hope i can have 1
You just need money. That's all
Great overview as always bruh. I'm really interested in the PS3 emulation. I know that Skate works but I was wondering if you could throw in either NCAA Football 13 or 14 or NCAA Revamped? I'm really interested if this APU can run it. Thanks in advance.
There is a video for it do a search on UA-cam
@@SmSm-bv7fs Thank you so much!!!
You got my sub buddy! Looking forward to your ayaneo videos
The Rog Ally is cheaper, broader available (can get them now) and a better CPU (thanks to the new update, check Dave2D new video from yesterday). Would be interesting seing a comparison video with performance, battery life, fps, cooling (how warm), weight, screen specs, availability etc... :)
The Z1 extreme is not a better CPU or GPU, basically the same, 7840u is slightly faster. The main advantage here is 7500mt DDR5X ram and 32GB option which should help with future games.
The Ally is pretty good though and at a decent price.
This handheld space is really exciting.
ETA Prime your video captivated me to get a 2S so thank you! Question tho… are you getting those frame rates in Cyberpunk without experiencing any ripple effect (form of tearing)? I’m not able to experience those frames unless I tolerate the ripple effect and have AMD FSR enabled through game. I’m using V-Sync to smoothen out games play tho of course I’m not pushing more than 60 frames really.
They're cranking these out
can’t wait to understand if 2s performs better than Ally or not. Great job. Please keep up the good work 🎉
Virtually the same
It's gonna be the same but cost $300 more and be made by a random kickstarter company rather than Asus.
It’s better
@@CJTheTokay says no one.
@@CJTheTokay why exactly is it better?
With Ally coming to many local stores all across the world competition stands no chance.
best handheld shape
Gotta say the neo 2s is the best looking handheld. Also the ui looks better than expected
Whats difference between this and the geek 1s
The resolution 800p on Geek
@@ghostsauce3109 ah okay thank you
@@kontonce89 yeah same processor, the placement of sticks is different I believe and lastly I think the bezels aren't bezel less on the geek I think those are only main differences other than on higher end 2s you can get 64 gigs ram but that's only for their special edition 2s's the regular ram size is standard across geek n 2s also at this power level currently the geek screen res would do just fine
Rog Ally vs Aya Neo 2S comparison please 😁
I love the design of the 2S but Ayaneo is just not good enough with their support outside of China, the Geek apparently has very bad QA problems with the controls not working whatsoever and a lot of problems with triggers, you are lucky to get help with anything from what I read and there are 0 replacement parts unlike with the AOKZOE theres a lot of parts for replacement
Same reason I went with One X Player 2. Controllers are detachable and there parts available, 3 months in for the device and no issues, 6 months in for my Mini Pro and no issues. People love to knock on Chinese manufacturers but don’t realize everything they buy practically comes from China
still waiting for that 2s vs ally comparison u mentioned :)
i'm kind of sick of youtubers saying "i'm going to leave the link to the product down there" and there is no link, why you guys do that? what is the point?
Really looking forward to see how Street Fighter 6 performs on these new 7840U handhelds.
1 x NVME 2280 support!
Nice, can start upgrading these bad boys with 4TB and 8TB storage, plus the Micro-SD slot.
Would be great to see a 2 vs 2S
I'm really enjoying my Ayaneo 2, so I'm not looking to upgrade right now. But that Mini-LED model has me interested. I just want a 7-8" handheld PC with OLED but Mini-LED is really close so I may upgrade then.
ummm $949??? I think I'll get a ROG Ally thanks buddy!
Man... I really want to buy a handheld gaming pc, but there's so many coming out I'm afraid I'll pull the trigger on one and it'll be obsolete too soon. I'd really like one with some staying power and maybe some upgrade-ability... I'm tempted to just go with the steam deck because at least it's standardized for my games, but I also want to be able to do other stuff like control a 3d printer with it, so having a more flexible OS is important also...
These APU's just launched so there won't be a new one for another 2 ish years. if you're worried about obsolence on these then best time to buy is now
Why have you never showed the rog ally benchmarks to compare??
Perfer the look of this device to the Ally but I'm still getting the Ally as feel will be supported for longer and improve more as it gets updates and more support. That said great to see more players in the market.
Great video dude
What's the name of that animated wallpaper that he used for the specs section? Looks awesome and clean!
whatever they charge over 699, wont consider anymore after the ally is out
I would like to see the best docking options I still have LAN parties and I’m curious if it would be worth it to buy a mini pc or pay extra and get a handheld and dock setup thanks so much love your content
Can you show the comparisons of the synthetic benchmarks against the Ally, SD, and the other 7840U coming out A1 Pro (forgot the name)? It would be super helpful.
That animated wallpaper whats software is that? I want to download it too.
People are so hung up on the power of these handhelds. You're taking for granted the controls. Make sure whatever device you're getting has controls that work for you. For example, I love everything about this Ayaneo 2S except for the buttons being directly above the right analog stick. If you're going to use the XBox style layout, the buttons should be in a V-shape like the Xbox Controller, so that your thumb doesn't have to reach over the analog stick. That will cramp your thumb very quickly. Oddly enough, the Ayaneo Geek 1S seems to have the correct layout.
Can't find that wallpaper to save my life
Ayo neo s2 Looks amazing handheld pc gaming console, i've Been interested of Ayo neo handhelds over year and this IS The console i would buy. I want buy this, i like handhelds and have usb c cable. 🎮🖥️
Great video, I have pre-ordered the asus ally, but I want to know which of the two would be better, if you can run Hogwarts legacy, low to high and emulated Zelda tears of the kingdom please. Thank you very much for uploading these videos, they are very helpful for me.
Hey ETA PRIME, do you ever do a review that has some cons to it? Every product you test you make it sound to be perfect with a short term review but won't compare with other products etc
This isn't a review. It's a "first look", or preview.
@@TBoogy3 Sure if you say so
@Alexis he will never do that cause it breaks the mold of his cookie cutter reviews. If you haven't noticed all his reviews are the same just some words swapped around to match whatever device or operating system it is
@@ransacked Finally someone with attention to detail! Yep I agree
i wish the ROG / SD looked like aya neo’s cleaner more minimal hardware design
I really wish we had lower resolution, but higher quality, screens. 720p is enough for this size screen, and it's easier to drive. I'd much rather have OLED than a few extra pixels on such a small device.
What's the name of wallpaper you used at 3:37, very cool!
ROG Ally Z1 Extreme is the best of best, best quality build, best hardware, can buy at the same price anytime without rushing, and best price in the market!
Blud steam deck has the best price
Definitely rog ally
@@findgod... Is not because Rog Ally has way better chip, better build, better sound, better screen, better heat disipation which are dual quiet fans and all for 699 usd
The AYANEO 2 out preformed the steam deck by 30%
Random question but what wallpaper background is that?
Will you do the Geek 1s? Possible comparison?
@etaprime did you have to do something special to run ram at 7500mhz or can it just be picked in bios. Like the average user will be able to set that. Or only on that review device since they havent officially announced 7500 in the discord
It has 7500 but it’s running at 6400 because the cpu doesn’t like anything above that so it’s pointless
hey what program are you using for the live wallpaper ?
lpddr5x 7500mhz daaamnnnn
Running at 6400mhz so it’s basically 6400 not 7500
@@WuFluChan you can switch to 7500 in bios
can you add cinebench to your synthetic to these handhelds? Im really interested in seeing what kind of rendering performance we can get in these tiny packages.
While it's exciting to see all of these new devices coming out, I seriously wish they would stop releasing them all a few months after they release their last device. I would be pissed if I picked up a previous device only for them to update it a few months down the road
The 6800u is still a beast, and will continue to be one for atleast 3 more years. Stop trying to have the latest because it’s only gonna make you broke or you will be waiting forever trying to time it.
@@sasuke082594 Yeah it's a beast, but give it 2 or 3 months and they are gonna release another device with more upgrades.
@@HyperkindThat's one of the many reasons why I'm walking away from Ayaneo. Thanks.
8:30 what is happening with the image when he cross the street? take a look at the crosswalk glitching
Where the rog ally vs Aya neo 2s video?