Has the Stand Rule Worked? AFL
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2022
- The AFL surprised many footy fans with the introduction of the new 'stand the mark' rule in 2021.
With a full season of the rule now ready to analyse, any changes to football trends should have started to emerge.
So How Well Has the Stand Rule Really Worked?
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I think another factor causing consistent scoring drop-offs after the first few rounds of a new season is weather - the season transitions from dryer conditions (March/April) to wetter ones (May - August), then drying up again in Spring when the finals roll around (September) - seems to be a correlation
It’s definitely weather.
Wouldnt this mean, you would see consistently higher scores at the Gabba and Metricon throughout the winter?
Humidity plays a role up north in QLD making slippery conditions there like rain in winter
@@HaroDP i figured it being they're dry season it would be less wet, but its humid all year round hey
@@seashoree1 it is humid all year round there but significantly less humid during these months
Man I am so happy Steve Hocking got the boot. Brad Scott seems to be doing a much better job so far. The changes he's made are clearly for the improvement of the game and not Channel 7's wallets
the 2 worst things about the stand rule, is the shots for goal watching a player run passed the guy on the mark before he is allowed to move.
and hearing STAAAAANNNNNDDDDD
Would like to point out that Heath Shaw was retired in the 2021 season, so the decrease in bounces is more likely because he wasn't there 😜
I don’t understand why the consensus of high scoring footy translates directly to more entertaining games. I personally enjoy nothing more than watching players putting their bodies on the line to win the contested footy and breaking their way through tackling pressure and congestion. The physical aspects of the game are much more important to me than how many goals are kicked. It’s upsetting how obsessed the league is with improving scoring that they ignore other aspects of our game which need more attention.
I agree with you and I think most footy fans do. I don't think the game is any better if it's high scoring. The league only wants more scoring so they can show more ads after goals; it's not to improve the game.
I’ve seen great 60-50 games and shithouse 150-140 games. The obsession with scoring is ridiculous
@Soussy You're not a proper footy fan. Watch basketball if you just want to watch scoring.
@Soussy A good game doesn't require high scoring. The AFL just want more scoring to satisfy channel 7, who want to show more ads. The game has been overcomplicated with unnecessary and ridiculous new rules only to satisfy TV executives..... The game is worse for it.
@@Philsta007 Most low scoring matches are rubbish, though. It's too compressed and static. The contests are better when everything is free flowing, which just so happens to make things high scoring. One of the best games ever was the 2001 game with Essendon and North Melbourne, where it was 159-171, and a 69 point comeback from Essendon. Was just more fun to watch.
I was personally really happy to see the rule fail to increase scoring. Would much rather see the game evolve naturally (which would happen, if the coaches had 5 fucking minutes to adapt to rule changes instead of new ones being thrown at them every year). Imagine if after 2005-06 the AFL decided to just drastically change the game because Sydney was too good defensively and we didn't get the Geelong highway style of handball and go up the corridor?
Exactly. High scores don't make games better. The GFs in 2005 and 2006 were fantastic and not very high scoring. They want more scoring so they can show us more ads, NOT because it makes the game better.
@Soussy
As an Eagles fan, the 2005 GF was just awful......
@Soussy
I was more referring to the tears I had after the game
@Soussy High scoring doesn't make a game any better. The most memorable games are the ones which are evenly matched where either team could win almost from start to finish.
@Soussy Then you get why constantly adding and changing the rules every season just to try and force more scoring is of no benefit to the game? I'm glad we agree.
I think there's too much emphasis put on the amount of scoring as a proxy for how entertaining the match is to watch. Some of the best games I've seen have been low scoring belters, where each goal is worth that much more. I don't think the AFL's aim to turn the game into a highlights reel for the forwards necessarily makes for a better watch.
But low scoring games are usually congested matches, which is just awful.
I like the stand rule simply because its the only major rule the AFL has introduced recently were the umpire doesnt need to make a interpritation of the play... all they need to do is watch for the player stepping off the mark before play on is called.... however I would like for the stand rule to not apply on shots at goal.... looks silly when the kicker just runs around the man on the mark.
But if there was no stand rule the ump wouldn't even have to care about movement which prevents blown calls or potential misinterpretations. Ump now has to worry about the movement of the man on the mark more closely and worry about the player with the ball with time and running off the line. It's a rule that gives no benefit to the game but makes it harder for umps to ump, and for footy fans to enjoy. It's attemped artificial goal scoring for extra ad revenue.
its the way this was introduced, a radical change, with minimal testing before hand, that really shit me off. Game changes need a strong methodology. Not a 'we hope this will work lets see'.
Fantastic analysis! Genuinely fascinated by this topic and how you explained it!
The stats shed no light on the effect of the rule because you havent showed any standard deviations. We need SD and t-tests between seasons to know if it is actually different. As presented, the stats are not helpful.
Very nice summation thanks
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Class as always
Great content
Good analysis. I like that you split it into watchability versus stats. I'd be interested to understand how the AFL internally audits their own rule changes. I don't like the rule and it's given me the perspective that the 50m penalty is too harsh a penalty for such minor infringements- like moving on the mark.
Hate the rule. When they have to stand there and aren’t even able to jump to smother or the player runs around them (especially when kicking for goal) they look ridiculous
You used to be able to sell hard candy off the mark when the man on the mark got too aggressive, now it’s impossible. To create space you’ve still got to beat a defender in some capacity to break the defensive line. The scoring hasn’t opened up because the unpredictability has been taken out of that contest on top of encouraging a cautious and methodical defence.
Get rid of it. It takes another tool out of the defenders toolkit and artificially attempts to make things easier for forwards. Watching a defender on the mark trying to psyche out his opponent, as Dustin Fletcher would always do, is always something I have enjoyed, and under the present rules he would have given away 50m penalties on a constant basis.
I don't like it, it makes the game seem too controlled. "Over-umpired".
Great review of the new rule looking forward to how it plays out this year with coaches having more time to work out the kinks.
Any chance of the history of Tasmania’s road to an AFL license when the vote goes ahead in august?
I wouldn't even know how to play AFL anymore with all these rule changes
Excellent Video, my first part of my comments, as bias Richmond supporter, i can only think the stand rule, was implemented by now Geelong CEO, whilst at the ALF to support Geelong's shitty, slow game style, and to stifle Richmond chaotic, frenzy, game style. where it held up the player to get the defence back.
Secondly, as a lover of the AFL Game, regardless of its ebbs and flows, my view I don't like the rule. It prevents flow and actually slows up the game. It is counter-instinctive. Juniors don't play this way . If the game is too defensive. Maybe change the holding the ball and, disposing the ball rules. Maybe pay a free kicks for throws and dropping the ball. Reduce time for prior opportunity. Hate to say, but reduce inter-change rotations. Evolution is natural! Stand rule is not!
The stand rule’s fine, but I think the man on the mark should be able to move around when the kicker is having a set shot at goal.
I think the weather had alot to do with scoring. So many games played in Perth tassie Brisbane due to covid and Melbourne lockdowns. Marvel wasn't played on with roof closed normally two games per week there. Food for thought, time will tell.
can you do a vid about Centre half forward?
Most people are against rule changes. Just want to remind everyone that bouncing wasn't in the original rules but the game seems wrong without it. Amending rules helps the game stay relevant by fixing problems when they arise
On to my opinion... I'm keen to keep it if only for continuity. I also think that part way through the season the umpires started getting softer on the man on the mark ant stricter on the carrier in response to the howling masses. My biggest complaint is that rules keep getting more complex. Keep them simple so that an umpire can adjudicate easily. Intentional out of bounds, running to far and improper disposal were a mess last season. Especially intentional out of bounds. Give the ump a distance and say that if there are no players on your team are in that distance, it's a free
Great video anyway guys as always guys
The thing is, they are trying to fix something that wasn't broken, and in the process they are creating other problems, such as the increased workload on the umpires like you suggested.
Why does it need to be high scoring to be an entertaining match?
@@Philsta007 it's more the bogged down, congested, flood style of defence focus footy that was the problem. That was (in my eyes anyway) why the intentional out of bounds and 6-6-6 rule was brought in and I think it also explains the stand rule. "free flowing" is more the aim from what I see. The media (who have way to much say on the game) we're pretty whiny about how stagnated the game was getting at the time. I personally like seeing the footy move around the ground faster, more goals or not. It's a bit each to their own
@@el-violador move the footy around faster? just handball it around like the doggies heh
@@el-violador You're right, but the only rule change that would improve that would be less players on the field. For some reason it is also the only rule change that the AFL won't consider.
@@el-violador coming from a more soccer background, there's nothing more entertaining than watching players handball the ball around the forward 50 and trying to create space while fending off tacklers. I would always watch low-scoring games because each goal meant something and was crucial to the game
I'm sick of them trying to increase scoring. There's nothing I enjoy more than low-scoring games because there's more pressure and the game's usually close, while high scoring games are often blowouts and the winner is often clear midway through the third quarter
It really did feel like they were just trying to negate the richmond football style with this change.
The rule is useless and unnecessary, just like virtually every other rule change from the last 10 years. Looking at the stats etc. also ignores the issues of increasing the workload on umpires who have to enforce all of these extra rules; I think most people would agree that the standard of umpiring has dropped over the last few years and I lay the blame for this squarely at the feet of the AFL and not the umpires themselves.
What's more frustrating is that they have taken a once great game and are continually watering it down with stupid extra rules only to increase scoring, and they only want this to give them more chances to shove extra advertising down our throats after each goal. This is NOT to benefit the game, but to generate more ad revenue.
Umpires do as they are told. Or get punished?
i still feel like the rule change on rush behinds was a great call
I agree. Too many rule changes and new rules is making for really inconsistent umpiring by allowing differing interpretations of the rules being enforced differently.
Thinking back 20+ years ago, the lack of rules actually made the game great, it was always known for being a hard physical contest and I feel like we are slowly loosing that part of the game.
@@avarma6313 Players still rush behinds anyway. Almost a pointless rule change. You just can't do it past 9 metres away from goal.
As time goes on there will be more of these human species that will feel the need to change something. Can't leave things alone. The only things I've seen done positively are the ones for safety like stopping the sling tackles. Others have only made room for more controversy. Please no more changes. Keep it a game of skill.
The stand rule is unneeded and useless
"I miss AFLX"
Preach.
I remember when this rule started' umps would yell "stay" instead of stand . Guess the AFL didn't like the sound of it like umpires instructing a dog to not move
Any proof that there was different game styles in 2020?
It's more the short quarters skewing things and possibly teams being more defensive as in shorter games goals become more valuable. You got games like Collingwood 31 - 31 Richmond. It was just weird! so left 2020 out as the vid mostly judged the rule based on scoring
I think the stand rule should stay but that umpires shouldn't give 50m for a slight step off the mark, if a player fakes a handball to get movements from the man on the mark that shouldn't be given, some 50m's were also given for a player running up to the mark but standing maybe a half metre too close, the umpire should just correct them instead of giving 50m
Don’t like high scoring I do like it when we defend well
Haha, "I miss AFLX". We all do.
New? Isn't it just the same rule we had up til 2004?
Keep the stand rule, Make the game more attacking less defensive
Agree, but don’t like that hard stand, should be able to freely move a step either side of the actual spot I think would be better.
@@johnmcdonald8943 It's a bit hard to enforce if it's not a hard stand
@@gapping3000 Scrap it. It's not netball. One of the best aspects about our game is the open movement of all players. That's gone for zero benefit. A competitive and high pressure game of winning contests and beating defence for goals is far better than the trend of making defenders unable to defend so that ball movement is easy and so there's no competition and 30 goals are scored per game with minimal resistance.
so the answer is yes but actually no?
I thought the game was fine without the stand rule. High scores imo dont = good games. I didnt like seeing the man on the mark have to sit there like a statue, didnt feel right. Scrap it imo
What’s brad Scott new job????
GM of Football at the AFL
@@FootyA2Z another travesty of justice.
"Taps profusely"
dabs*
I don’t think so
It didn't work. The scores keep fluctuating down, every year.
I can’t believe they kept that pathetic rule!
When will we ever get real Footy back?
The one we all grew up loving!
In my opinion Gil McLachlan is the worst thing that ever happened to the game!
AFL is no longer exciting, it’s basically a contactless sport where chipping sideways and backwards is the norm.. so SAD!!!
That's why they introduce rule changes in the first place champ
@@Magooch86 the rule change should be “we’re going back to traditional rules and we’re bringing back the bump”
not crap like “stand stand”.. champ
can’t even smother the ball what the hell is that? i’m so angry at the AFL!
@@Magooch86 A good rule change to improve the game is to scrap 90% of the rules from the last 5 years and make FIRM interpretations of holding the ball, high contact vs ducking, incorrect disposal, illegal vs legal suspendable contact, tribunal sentencing, and deliberate out of bounds. Quality football is good football, not adding new rules every year to articially create some outcome that most fans don't even want. I also don't understand how almost halving interchanges is meant to improve the game. Embarassing
@@benwillis2158 agree bro!
one thing i seriously miss is players diving into a contest! this have to stay on your feet at all times is rubbish!
It didn't work and is beyond horrible. Scoring has continued to fluctuate down. Compare pre-stand 2017 to now, and scoring has really dropped off.
To much BS has crept into the game and this rule is amongst it.
Terrible rule
Crap rule like all of Hockings changes. Funny how Geelong got to trial all the new rules months before they were implemented. Hocking another corrupt boys club member. Emphasis on member.
This rule is an abomination. It changes the fabric of the game for the worse. It is an eyesore to see the man on the mark stand there like a scarecrow only for the kicker to run right around him and the ump slow to call play on. This rule should be abolished forever and please leave our great game alone.
weird ass rule imo
Ridiculous rule, should get rid of it asap
From the AFL’s on standard for success, it was a failure. The rule should stay because taking it out won’t change much either.
But it means the umps don't have to worry about even more shit than they currently do. Also stops the pointless showcasing of placing a man on the mark for absoulely no benefit to anyone.
AFL get rid of this crap rule!! This isn't footy anymore!!
Nope it’s cancerous needs to go