2008 GF causing the change to deliberately rushing behinds. I was there as a neutral that day, it was kind of genius and frustrating to watch all at once.
dane swan was a big reason for the sub rule which has turned into the interchange cap. In the pies 2010 flag year there weren't a cap on rotations and swan came on and off every 6 minutes or so to freshen up and break a tag. The AFL got wise to it the next year and introduced the sub rule in 2011 to limit player rotations.
Anything that the pies use to gain an advantage causes a rule change, I recall Steve McKee and his ruck work. Changed the rule and his career was pretty much over
Kevin Bartlett forced a rule change back in the '70s with his technique of throwing the ball out in front of himself a split second before being tackled in an attempt to draw a free for holding the man. He wasn't the only guy that did it, but he was the best at it. He was pretending to bounce the ball but threw it down at an angle that ensured it wouldn't bounce back into his possession. Strict umpires would pay him the free but some umps called play on, so he learned which ump he could do it in front of. It was an exploitation of the vagueness of the rules, so it was changed to explicitly state a player had to kick or handball when tackled. It didn't impact Bartlett as he adjusted his game & went on to be the first player to 400 games. It's worth noting that, in that era, umpires usually tended to favour the man in possession, making the play. Anything dodgy about a tackle was penalised in favour of the man in possession. That is, a tackle had to be close to perfect to be rewarded with holding the ball.
The Maynard incident how can you not have contact with the player when you are mid air I’d like to see the people who make the rules change direction when they’re mid air and miss the person completely
Third man up rule was definitely because of Blicavs and him abusing it. Jordan Lewis and Jarryd Roughead did do it a bit during their flags, but the AFL didn't really think it did much until Blicavs came around.
Ginnivan was more like Paul Puopolo who would actually sense he was about to get tackled and dropped down so the tackle would go high. Selwood shrugged his shoulder when he got tackled as a technique to break free of the tackle and move the ball on- some of the time to his detriment as it actually held up play when the umpire called the ball back.
🏈🏈🏈 I can remember the "Joel Selwoood Shrug" ( Ducking into tackles )... Lean towards the tackler, lower your body / bend your knees, lift your arm when tackled to force tackler's arm towards your neck and get the free kick for the high tackle. 19 02 2024
@@alansimmonds9030he’s got over 100 alts, this is the channel that makes them and he is one of the worst UA-camrs in the world. So it’s best to ignore him and block him, he wants attention
It was actually a technique to shrug the tackle which often actually disadvantaged Selwood as he was called back to take his free kick when he'd already cleared the tackle and had got rid of the ball. It also got to the ridiculous stage when Selwood was legitimately tackled high when he was getting up after winning a contested possession and commentators would claim he had ducked into it.
I think ducking should be a free for the other team at the moment, the amount of players still trying to take advantage over it is insane and I'd love to see it almost completely gone
I thought that ducking was always not a free kick - at least when I was introduced to footy in 2014 or so I was told that ducking meant no high contact free kick
I'm a Hawks supporter and the Maynard thing is a joke. AFL has lost its mind. They had it right at the beginning of 2023 when they punished the action NOT the outcome, then about a third of the way into the season they backflipped and started penalising outcome...as usual. So stupid.
I felt like I was taking crazy pills throughout Joel Selwood’s career. Still cannot understand why it wasn’t changed back then. Look how many games he played with strapped head - surely he’s a candidate for brain injuries later in life. And with the AFL incentivising him to do it by paying frees, they will be fully responsible for his injuries.
Was the ducking/dropping the shoulder rule directed at Ginnivan, or does the AFL have favourites? Answer: Both. See how many high free kicks NIck Daicos got in the 2023 grand final from dropping the shoulder/knees (and like you said, Selwood)
🏈🏈🏈 As a Hawks supporter, it honestly still is in my mind in disbelief that Hawks coach Sam Mitchell recruited Jack Ginnivan. Ginnivan is: ( 1 ) A serial cheat by ducking into tackles. ( 2 ) A recovering drug addict. ( 3 ) A clown that went out to the racetrack the night before playing in the 2023 Grand Final. 19 02 2024
Not a player, but a team. Hawks vs Cats GF 2008 - Hawks rushed 11 behinds to get more time. 2009 the AFL changed to the deliberately rushed behind requiring immediate pressure
@@driver4496x hawthorn supporter mate I have been alive for 5 flags in 9 years as a child and another 4 in 8 years as an adult and guess what? None of those flags was from players ducking like gabe itches to win free kicks. Selwood was a blight on the game
@@Kaleen_YT He was the serial offender who got away with it for 15 years, thanks to aFL & umpiring incompetence.....Hence why all the other players followed....You're 100% incorrect.
I’m a Geelong supporter but I know for sure Selwood was the reason, or at least first known for it. Ginnivan I feel abused it every time he was tackled so that’s why the change was necessary. They had enough of Selwood doing it and didn’t want young players making it a habit.
Should have stopped the king of ducking Selwood and it would not still be in the game today But unsurprisingly umpires love Geelong and given them the rub of the green for almost 20 years
The third man up rule was changed because a player received a chest injury from the extra man leaping in. The tactic was never considered ‘unfair’ by clubs and was a great way to open up play. Do your fkn research.
Still think the Ginnivan rule is garbage. As far as I'm concerned the tackler has to be obligated to tackle correctly. Ducking is a tactic by the ball carrier to evade the tackle. If tackled correctly then holding the ball, otherwise should be a high tackle. Great video
I’m a Pies supporter, I thought that Maynard would get a massive fine and a two game suspension, I was angry at Bruzzy but I could still see his side, after all, he’s an awesome bloke
no, but it was careless and he should have been suspended; Careless, high contact, high impact that's two weeks by the grading system. If launching yourself in the air toward an approaching player, thereby losing any opportunity to move or alter direction isn't careless, then nothing is..@@Kaleen_YT
If maynerd was bearing down on a collingwood player he would have avoided contact. He wasn't and he put his shoulder in to Brayshaw. He had to be rubbed out. If I was Brayshaw I would be suing maynerd for loss of earnings.
People might disagree with me on this one, but i think they should get rid of the stand rule, i just think its rubbish and it feels like it slows the game down alot
Joel Selwood ducked & cheated for 15 years....Being rewarded for it & getting the most free kicks in history for it into the bargain.....The aFL then move to stop it only after he retires....Makes a total mockery of the competition!
Maynard is not in the wrong. He went to smother the ball aggressively because it's the finals. You can't expect them to play finals and not play finals level footy. He turned away from Brayshaw so he didn't clobber him. Brayshaw also veered right after his kick as that's his kicking style.
Brayshaw's career was obviously only hanging by a thread if that is the case. It was a football action. Brayshaw made absolutely no attempt to protect himself, but rather absorbed all of the contact. You can blame footy's false masculinity idealism for that. (appearing "weak" if reacting/bracing to incoming contact)
Joel Selwood has won the most courageous player award more than any other player since its creation, Joel Selwood has the most tackles and the most clearances of any player to ever play the game. Getting clearances is the most tackled aspect of the game, he may have thrown up a few elbows to score a free kick, but only the most delusional supporters would argue that Selwood never played hard and earned allot of his free kicks driving head first through players. This is stark contrast to Jack who never even tried to get rid of the ball that year, diving into players to try and get his head ripped off rather than trying to break a tackle, which Selwood ranks 4th in all time behind Gary Ablett jnr, Patrick Dangerfield and Dustin Martin in tackles broken.
He dropped the knees & raised his elbow to cause the high contact himself.....Everyone knows it was a joke except for the aFL & the umpires - or so it seems.
Joel Selwood got twice as many frees as the second most free kick player almost every year If the afl and umpires weren’t so dumb and bias they would have taken it out of the game years ago
@@stevepapas9563 Correct...Which is why all the other players started copying him....Because they see he got rewarded for his ducking, cheating ways; & now it's become a plague & blight on our game because of him.
Sure, tough player....But still a ducking, shrugging, leg-dropping cheat & a blight/ stain on our game. With the aFL & umpires being utterly complicit.
Selwood got away with ducking for his entire career, AFL should have nipped it in the bud back then , Blind Freddie could see what he was getting away with.
Players trying to exploit the afl rules should get a minimum 5 match ban and club should get a decent fine, in my opinion if players knock out other players from a brutal dog shot should get a minimum 10 match ban or whole season ban too teach them a lesson, once the players see this it will make players think twice about dog shotting another player, the afl is way too soft on enforcing their rules especially against victorian teams.
They should have changed the ducking rule because of Selwood but the most overrated captain and player in AFL history was a protected species. Funny they changed the rule just as Selwood was retiring
I’m not a Collingwood fan but I don’t mind Maynard Should have copped 2 weeks though if the rest of the year was anything to go by Have a look at what James Sicily got 3 weeks for (absolutely disgraceful)
2008 GF causing the change to deliberately rushing behinds. I was there as a neutral that day, it was kind of genius and frustrating to watch all at once.
i covered that in part 1
Up the Hawks 🎉
dane swan was a big reason for the sub rule which has turned into the interchange cap. In the pies 2010 flag year there weren't a cap on rotations and swan came on and off every 6 minutes or so to freshen up and break a tag. The AFL got wise to it the next year and introduced the sub rule in 2011 to limit player rotations.
Interesting facts
Hmm Collingwood yet again has more rule changes than any other team
coincidental?
Anything that the pies use to gain an advantage causes a rule change, I recall Steve McKee and his ruck work. Changed the rule and his career was pretty much over
Good. I hate Collingwood.
How did Maynard get away considering the last rule you mentioned. Because he chose to bump, forcing a player into retirement
Because afl loves Collingwood and the grubs
He didn't choose to bump, he tried to charge down the kick
@@tsherwood2112yes he did
Kevin Bartlett forced a rule change back in the '70s with his technique of throwing the ball out in front of himself a split second before being tackled in an attempt to draw a free for holding the man. He wasn't the only guy that did it, but he was the best at it. He was pretending to bounce the ball but threw it down at an angle that ensured it wouldn't bounce back into his possession. Strict umpires would pay him the free but some umps called play on, so he learned which ump he could do it in front of. It was an exploitation of the vagueness of the rules, so it was changed to explicitly state a player had to kick or handball when tackled. It didn't impact Bartlett as he adjusted his game & went on to be the first player to 400 games. It's worth noting that, in that era, umpires usually tended to favour the man in possession, making the play. Anything dodgy about a tackle was penalised in favour of the man in possession. That is, a tackle had to be close to perfect to be rewarded with holding the ball.
The Maynard incident how can you not have contact with the player when you are mid air I’d like to see the people who make the rules change direction when they’re mid air and miss the person completely
Apparently Maynard is a malaysia airways plane and can change direction mid-flight
Craig Bolton using tunneling to stop Nick Riewoldt around 2008ish, which started the discussion about whether it should be banned.
is that a tooth flying at 7:21?
yes i think so haha
Marcus Bontempelli's use of the third man up rule got the rule changed. It's a big reason why the Dogs won the flag that year.
Dogs won flag coz the umpires HATE Sydney!
Third man up rule was definitely because of Blicavs and him abusing it. Jordan Lewis and Jarryd Roughead did do it a bit during their flags, but the AFL didn't really think it did much until Blicavs came around.
Ginnivan was more like Paul Puopolo who would actually sense he was about to get tackled and dropped down so the tackle would go high. Selwood shrugged his shoulder when he got tackled as a technique to break free of the tackle and move the ball on- some of the time to his detriment as it actually held up play when the umpire called the ball back.
I thought the match review officer suggest no charge or man on Maynard. But the AFL themselves said they would try and suspend him
That poor trainer at 5:01
🏈🏈🏈 I can remember the "Joel Selwoood Shrug" ( Ducking into tackles )... Lean towards the tackler, lower your body / bend your knees, lift your arm when tackled to force tackler's arm towards your neck and get the free kick for the high tackle.
19 02 2024
yeah everyone remembers it
Exactly how many troll accounts do you have son?
@@alansimmonds9030he’s got over 100 alts, this is the channel that makes them and he is one of the worst UA-camrs in the world. So it’s best to ignore him and block him, he wants attention
It was actually a technique to shrug the tackle which often actually disadvantaged Selwood as he was called back to take his free kick when he'd already cleared the tackle and had got rid of the ball.
It also got to the ridiculous stage when Selwood was legitimately tackled high when he was getting up after winning a contested possession and commentators would claim he had ducked into it.
@@leighwintershoven971 No matter what way you try to spin it, he'll always be remembered as 'Duck-Wood'.
Wish the ball could go ping off the post and back in, and they play on. Lik if you agree
not sure about that
I think they tried it in a pre-season series back in the day@@Kaleen_YT
Maynard should’ve been found guilty, it’s a load of BS
it's a debatable topic, the reason it was so controversial
Great vid man keep up the work !!
Appreciate it
I think ducking should be a free for the other team at the moment, the amount of players still trying to take advantage over it is insane and I'd love to see it almost completely gone
I thought that ducking was always not a free kick - at least when I was introduced to footy in 2014 or so I was told that ducking meant no high contact free kick
I'm a Hawks supporter and the Maynard thing is a joke. AFL has lost its mind.
They had it right at the beginning of 2023 when they punished the action NOT the outcome, then about a third of the way into the season they backflipped and started penalising outcome...as usual. So stupid.
definitely better to punish the action
You missed Joel Bowden forcing the deliberate rushed behind rule
I felt like I was taking crazy pills throughout Joel Selwood’s career. Still cannot understand why it wasn’t changed back then. Look how many games he played with strapped head - surely he’s a candidate for brain injuries later in life. And with the AFL incentivising him to do it by paying frees, they will be fully responsible for his injuries.
Great vid Kaleen 👍
I appreciate your kind words
Lloyd didn't kick 700 goals because he took a few extra seconds. He kicked them cause he's a legend
true, but i was just saying for 700 of them he took extra time
Was the ducking/dropping the shoulder rule directed at Ginnivan, or does the AFL have favourites?
Answer: Both. See how many high free kicks NIck Daicos got in the 2023 grand final from dropping the shoulder/knees (and like you said, Selwood)
glad you agree
I habe a question whats you're favourite team/teams and your least favourite team/teams
🏈🏈🏈 As a Hawks supporter, it honestly still is in my mind in disbelief that Hawks coach Sam Mitchell recruited Jack Ginnivan.
Ginnivan is: ( 1 ) A serial cheat by ducking into tackles.
( 2 ) A recovering drug addict.
( 3 ) A clown that went out to the racetrack the night before playing in the 2023 Grand Final.
19 02 2024
unlucky
We both know you ain't a Hawks supporter....you're a Sydney supporting troll son.
Ginni is a gun ... go HAWKS
I think a new ryle would be of your within 10 meters of a player you can do a rushed behind if not free kick to other
Team
Couple of rule changing incidents that you missed;
David Mackay bump on Hunter Clarke R13 2021
Ben Keays denied goal R23 2023
good examples
As a Melbourne pan I am absolutely disgusted that Maynard got off
Not a player, but a team.
Hawks vs Cats GF 2008 - Hawks rushed 11 behinds to get more time. 2009 the AFL changed to the deliberately rushed behind requiring immediate pressure
covered in part 1
Of interest is that several felt that Hawthorn couldn't win premierships without rushing behinds. They put pen to paper to that theory in 2013-2015
@@adamkorin5863that was just cry baby Geelong supporters who never look at Selwood making a career off ducking
@@stevepapas9563Made a career off winning flags 🏆🏆🏆🏆
@@driver4496x hawthorn supporter mate I have been alive for 5 flags in 9 years as a child and another 4 in 8 years as an adult and guess what? None of those flags was from players ducking like gabe itches to win free kicks. Selwood was a blight on the game
Matthew Primus at throw ins was one
Joel Selwood was the reason
I don’t think so
@@Kaleen_YT He was the serial offender who got away with it for 15 years, thanks to aFL & umpiring incompetence.....Hence why all the other players followed....You're 100% incorrect.
Yep....100%
I’m a Geelong supporter but I know for sure Selwood was the reason, or at least first known for it. Ginnivan I feel abused it every time he was tackled so that’s why the change was necessary. They had enough of Selwood doing it and didn’t want young players making it a habit.
True story brother
Maynard is actually really nice, after he said sorry and went to his house to have a chat
he is a prick
i'm sure he is, not hating on the guy
The standing still on the mark should be changned I recon
Love the vids
Thanks as always
Suspensions these days are STUPID! The AFL should NOT base suspensions on the outcome.
Should have stopped the king of ducking Selwood and it would not still be in the game today
But unsurprisingly umpires love Geelong and given them the rub of the green for almost 20 years
true
maynard is a dog. he led with shoulder
The third man up rule was changed because a player received a chest injury from the extra man leaping in. The tactic was never considered ‘unfair’ by clubs and was a great way to open up play. Do your fkn research.
ok
Dork over here whinging about a youtube video.
Harbrow's hit on Lewis was fisting the ball away, not a bump in that case.
yeah, just looked like a bump
Still think the Ginnivan rule is garbage.
As far as I'm concerned the tackler has to be obligated to tackle correctly.
Ducking is a tactic by the ball carrier to evade the tackle.
If tackled correctly then holding the ball, otherwise should be a high tackle.
Great video
thanks, and I personally think it's a fair rule
Not in the spirit of the game and should have been stamped out whilst Selwood was making a career of being a ducking cheat
I’m a Pies supporter, I thought that Maynard would get a massive fine and a two game suspension, I was angry at Bruzzy but I could still see his side, after all, he’s an awesome bloke
definitely not intentional
no, but it was careless and he should have been suspended; Careless, high contact, high impact that's two weeks by the grading system. If launching yourself in the air toward an approaching player, thereby losing any opportunity to move or alter direction isn't careless, then nothing is..@@Kaleen_YT
If it was Toby green or James Sicily they would have got 5 weeks
so much for umpires not paying deliberate ducks... have seen so many in the last two rounds
If maynerd was bearing down on a collingwood player he would have avoided contact. He wasn't and he put his shoulder in to Brayshaw.
He had to be rubbed out.
If I was Brayshaw I would be suing maynerd for loss of earnings.
How could he have pulled out? He was airborne. Idiot 😂
People might disagree with me on this one, but i think they should get rid of the stand rule, i just think its rubbish and it feels like it slows the game down alot
A move so dangerous? A punch to the jaw off the ball?
what do you mean?
@@Kaleen_YT in your intro you say a player did a move so dangerous, while it's playing the gaff punch on brayshaw
@@Zelmazam1 the dangerous move was maynard's bump, just didn't want to spoil it
@@Kaleen_YT ahhh I see
Yo Kaleen do u reckon the Maynard incident was on purpose?
no
Controversies and cheating can cause rule changes.
absolutely
Joel Selwood ducked & cheated for 15 years....Being rewarded for it & getting the most free kicks in history for it into the bargain.....The aFL then move to stop it only after he retires....Makes a total mockery of the competition!
facts
I'm a North supporter, and this is bullshit.
Learn to tackle lower, don't blame a guy because they use the rules to their own advantage.
@@lesnish226 He caused the high contact himself via his own actions....Therefore it's either play -on or holding the ball....simple.
@@lesnish226
Thanks
Maynard is not in the wrong. He went to smother the ball aggressively because it's the finals. You can't expect them to play finals and not play finals level footy. He turned away from Brayshaw so he didn't clobber him. Brayshaw also veered right after his kick as that's his kicking style.
i don't think he's in the wrong either
no offence to Collingwood fans but Maynard didn't give Brayshaw an injury he ended his career like he worked so fucking hard for this like tf
Brayshaw's career was obviously only hanging by a thread if that is the case. It was a football action. Brayshaw made absolutely no attempt to protect himself, but rather absorbed all of the contact. You can blame footy's false masculinity idealism for that. (appearing "weak" if reacting/bracing to incoming contact)
Joel Selwood has won the most courageous player award more than any other player since its creation, Joel Selwood has the most tackles and the most clearances of any player to ever play the game. Getting clearances is the most tackled aspect of the game, he may have thrown up a few elbows to score a free kick, but only the most delusional supporters would argue that Selwood never played hard and earned allot of his free kicks driving head first through players.
This is stark contrast to Jack who never even tried to get rid of the ball that year, diving into players to try and get his head ripped off rather than trying to break a tackle, which Selwood ranks 4th in all time behind Gary Ablett jnr, Patrick Dangerfield and Dustin Martin in tackles broken.
valid points
He dropped the knees & raised his elbow to cause the high contact himself.....Everyone knows it was a joke except for the aFL & the umpires - or so it seems.
Joel Selwood got twice as many frees as the second most free kick player almost every year
If the afl and umpires weren’t so dumb and bias they would have taken it out of the game years ago
@@stevepapas9563 Correct...Which is why all the other players started copying him....Because they see he got rewarded for his ducking, cheating ways; & now it's become a plague & blight on our game because of him.
Sure, tough player....But still a ducking, shrugging, leg-dropping cheat & a blight/ stain on our game. With the aFL & umpires being utterly complicit.
W ❤
W comment
Selwood got away with ducking for his entire career, AFL should have nipped it in the bud back then , Blind Freddie could see what he was getting away with.
yeah that's what I always thought
@@Kaleen_YT Selwood is still a champion of the game
@@harrygrosomanidis9699 Who'll be forever remembered as Duck-wood.
Ginnivan doesn’t duck he raises his arm
questionable
One rule I think should be a thing must be Collingwood only getting behinds
Sounds good
afl needs to start giving pickett more than 1 match bans, hes a repeat offender
✔ Cool video. ✔
19 02 2024
Glad you found it cool
Players trying to exploit the afl rules should get a minimum 5 match ban and club should get a decent fine, in my opinion if players knock out other players from a brutal dog shot should get a minimum 10 match ban or whole season ban too teach them a lesson, once the players see this it will make players think twice about dog shotting another player, the afl is way too soft on enforcing their rules especially against victorian teams.
Your delusional Vic hater.
The "Victorian bias" is all in your head. Look at the stats.
The stand rule needs to go
Ross Lyon 666 rule
Maynard the flog
They should have changed the ducking rule because of Selwood but the most overrated captain and player in AFL history was a protected species. Funny they changed the rule just as Selwood was retiring
HELL NO BEST CAPTAIN EVER 🐈⬛
And Maynard’s a dog
And why is he?
If you were in the same scenario what would you do?
We all have our own opinions
I’m not a Collingwood fan but I don’t mind Maynard
Should have copped 2 weeks though if the rest of the year was anything to go by
Have a look at what James Sicily got 3 weeks for (absolutely disgraceful)
no way