Kremlin's Peskov on MH17 'contradictions' - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2016
- The downing of flight MH17 is still unclear says the Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
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Ah, I love that phrase, I'm going to use it on daily basis.
-Honey, I saw you yesterday with some girl!
-There's nothing to accept or to deny.
-Have you seriously not taken a bath in a week?!
-There's nothing to accept or to deny.
-Will you marry me?
-There's nothing to accept or to deny.
xD
When is Ukraine going to release the air traffic control tapes, and when is the U.S going to provide it's radar data?
When will you Kremlin troll shut up and start doing something meaningful in life?
Yuriy Soroka When will you Ukrainian nazis stop killing your own people and stop bringing down passenger airliners, and do something meaningful in life?
lol, some jumping bandera is telling other poeple what to do...lal
What he actually said is " yes we shot it down, but show us 3D photos that proves it".
no he says we didn't you are sorry liars.
The Russians evidently are lying hypocritical snakes. Russian media would make definitive public statements accusing the West of all kinds of cynical conspiracies with the thinnest of circumstantial evidence. However whenever they get accused of anything, no matter how much evidence that is stacked against them, they never have the balls to confess to what they have done. They lied about civilian casualties in Syria, they lied about the state doping, they lied about sending troops to Ukraine, now they are lying about shooting down a plane. Pathetic.
majorevangelism all what you just have written is slander provided with no evidence. These are just empty words. You are pathetic liars
Алексей Мыслливцев Do you believe the US intentionally created ISIS, there was no Russian state-sponsored doping, WADA is owned by the US and banned Russian team because of politics, that no Russian troops were in Ukraine, Ukrainians are all Neonazi's, Russia is only in Syria to fight ISIS instead of just reinforcing Assad's government, or Russians committed absolutely no civilian casualties in Syria?
majorevangelism yes I do
Peskov chose the spot for filming very strategically. So that you can't see how another opposition leader is killed on that bridge next to the Kremlin
🎯
What an idiot
What has Clinton or US have to do with his joke? Do you have to always suck up to US every time Russia is mentioned? Are you people this stupid really? And the worst thing is, you don't even realize how stupid, childish and redundant your relativism is
my point exactly
Yes there is a memorial but it's constantly under attack by some nuts "activists"
Here are some contractions from Russia that make no sense, first saying the separatists shot down mh17 by accident, then saying a Ukraine jet shot it down, then saying it was a botched attempt by Ukraine to shoot down Putins plane, then saying a Ukraine BUK shot it down and opposing a international tribunal to bring those responsible to justice. How is that for contractions Peskov?
Russia never said that the rebels shot it by accident troll. your propoganda said that.
It's call buying time...
How am I a troll for pointing out all these theories Russia has made? Also, I suggest you look up a video here on UA-cam called "Russian theories of MH17 crash". It provides a list of theories Russia has made ever since it was shot down which with videos that clearly show Russia's claims. Try harder comrade. But hey if you don't want to look into the video I suggested that is up to you. It would very unpatriotic for you Russians to disagree with what Putin says.
Don't even try to talk with that Russian zombie, it's a waste of time :]
Unknown Unknown mam Russia never said that rebels shot it down and I'm not going to watch your propoganda. The plane was still smoking when Western propoganda media started to excuse Russia and the rebels no one even mentioned Ukraine. Ukraine claimed it didn't have buk in the area and now it's clear it had. Ukrainian ATC guided the plane to the war zone, 120 kms aside from it's original route. Civilian transit planes never flew in that area. Then, Ukrainian operator ordered the plane to decend from 12 000 ms to 7 000 ms. BUK could not reach it at 12 000 height. How can you explain that stupid troll?
That Volvo truck had a phone number on its side.. did investigators contact that driver?
They did. Owner said that truck was stolen by pro-russian rebels
+Yrkelo Volrand Sure, he transported ukranian Buk from Russia to Ukranian and back just as SBU ordered him. Sounds persuasively
Sad that the victim's families will probably never get the truth they deserve. May shame find the cowards that know it.
One day, China may want the entire globe to match reality. In fact, Beijing could use Russia's own strategy of handing out passports to supporters in disputed areas and then acting militarily to "protect its citizens." The Kremlin has tried to do this in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and most recently Crimea, which are formally part of other post-Soviet states but are controlled by Moscow. And if Beijing decided to seize Siberia by force, the only way Moscow could stop it would be to use nuclear weapons. - Frank Jacobs, Why China is Reclaiming Siberia
... and unfortunately for the Russian Federation, NATO and EU won't be there to hold Russia's hand...
I sort of see what Peskov means: JIT didn't show any evidence. I went through the whole report: they show some telephone conversations - how do I know those are real and not fake?
JIT refers to witnesses and ground samples - but they dont show those and tell nothing about them! etc etc
How can Peskov possibly comment on an investigation, if there are absolutely no figures, numbers, other proofs?
I am not protecting Russian Government, I am just saying what I thought after going through JIT "report".
YOU can't know if those converstaions, picked up by different antenna's at different locations but in chronological order, together with the data that comes along with it and helped to identify the users are real or not, but sure as hell the police-investigators of the JIT can and do. You haven't studied the JIT report well enough if you think they have not got enough widespread evidence for all their conclusions. They also have the names of 100 dudes who were involved in the BUK operations, one way or the other. Just wait and see. This was not the final presentation.
Ус на сковородке ;)
This is how an eel in a bucket of snot looks like, nature lovers, very slippery...
Shortly, it's better to say "YES, yes we did this F**CK, we shot it down", than dodge
Siberian airlines 1812, Iran air 655, Lybian airlines 727
Will he ever be brought to justice along with the Xyilo team?
Liar.
he says the truth.
Here you go boy... en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/truth Go learn what truth means...
viviryder is it all what you can say clowns?
No evidence only tantrum fits.
Pathetic.
No Evidence?? This report bears nothing that the whole world didn't know already... The Evidence is staggering! Obviously you trolls will be flocking to videos like these to do what your payed for, but the facts remain, and there is nothing you dumb fucks can do to change that..!
viviryder and the whole world knows what anti Russian propoganda says. Where is the evidence clown?
There are still contradictions...yes, coming from Russia.
Yrkelo you're everywhere and you're only doing damage to Russia. Please stahp
Joe you making me laugh))) about damage to Russia lol omg
Позорище
Россия - чемпион по криминалу, всегда и все первые места в мире её.
И тут даже МОЧУ в баночках не нужно подменять.
"Русские" и "бандиты" слова синонимы.
Очень напоминает слова Тютчева, "Россия до Петра - сплошная панихида, а после Петра - сплошной криминал".
П. Я. Чаадаев
- Are you a gangsters? /Вы бандиты?/
- No, we are Russians. /Нет, мы русские/ (К-ф 'Брат-2' /
Русские кого вы дурите?
это ты кого дуришь этой идиотской пропагандой клоун.
Алексей Мыслливцев Ну ты точно , как пишет И.Павлов имеешь "СЛАБУЮ МОЗГОВУЮ СИСТЕМУ", да еще меня во вранье изобличить пытаешься.
А ты самообразовываться не пробовал?
Ну, хотя бы в музей сходи, что ли..
В коллекции Государственного музея изобразительных искусств им. Пушкина, в г. Москва, есть картины известных русских художников, например:
- "Украинка у плетня." Ильи Ефимовича Репина, 1876г.
- . Илья Репин, 1875г.
.- "Девушка-украинка в пейзаже", Василий Тропинин, 1820-е гг.
(www.rbc.ua/styler/motivator/podborka-luchshih-portretov-ukrainok-raznyh-1451230214.html)
Даты увидел?
Или вот, картины из собрания Государственного Русского музея:
- «Вечер на Украине» - Архип Куинджи,. 1878г.
- «Украинская ночь. Зима» - Вельц И.А., 1898 г
Это ничего тебе не говорит о твоем бреде.
Даже Петр Первый знал без всяких австрияков и поляков, что в Украине, которую он повелел именовать "Малороссией", живут не русские, а УКРАИНЦЫ и украинский народ, и этот факт сохранился в письмах первого российского Императора:
"Расположение в Украине в будущую компанию.
Гарнизоны в Малороссийских городах укрепить людьми кроме полков полевой армии из Украинцев..."
Петр.
В Санктпетербурге в 21 день Января 1712 года.
Источник: «Письма Петра Великаго, писанныя къ генералъ-фельдмаршалу, графу Б. П. Шереметеву». Москва. 1774.
Так что Ты себя спалил.
Спалил как Дебил.
У тебя не голова, а пустая тара для чужих идей. И идей нехороших.
An empty head serves as an excellent container for other's thoughts.
/// Пустая голова становится хорошей тарой для чужих мыслей.
Prae Tor а ты в курсе, что нет никакой генетической разницы между так называемыми украинцами и русскими?
Алексей Мыслливцев Ну да я знаю что лимон и человек имеет 65% общих генов.
А если брать 1400-ый год, то каждый человек с любым другим сегодня живущим на земле, дважды друг другу родственик. Хочешь сам посчитай, это простая математическая прогрессия.
А русские вообще не славяне, и этому есть свои аргументы. Я то знаю.
Алексей Мыслливцев Никогда украинцы и русские не были одним народом. Повторяю, русские это даже не славяне.
Мало того русские формировались в условиях рабства, а на Украине императоры пытались ввести крепостничество, но у них это плохо получалось, и многие особенно южные губерни так и остались неохвачены крепостным правом.
ОЧЕНЬ ВАЖНО.!!!
Будущую массу жителей Российской империи, вне культур и корневых языков формировало КРЕПОСТНИЧЕСТВО - с 1497 по 1861 годы. Почти за 400 лет сложилось ПОСЛУШНОЕ И БЕЗВОЛЬНОЕ НАСЕЛЕНИЕ, забывшее собственную культуру и языки предков (ростовчан, новгородцев, тверичей, мери, веси, язи, чуди), традиции и обряды.
Так появилась и росла "страна РАБОВ, страна Господ" - Россия.
Проникнись, ... это наша история.!
Хотя это только рамка, т.к. мы не знаем к какому из первоначальных народов Мы русские принадлежим, и какова наша реальная История, - история своего народа (у каждого своя), а не имперская безликая компиляция "русские".
In any investigation of any crime the investigator, if interested in the truth, would and typically does investigate the repeat offender(in this case being Ukraine, who in 2001 shot down a Russian airliner with an S-200 via pure incompetence). With that being said, why would they not first and foremost investigate Ukraine? The more likely answer is that the investigators are more interesting in politics then in the actual truth!
They investigated everything IN the Ukraine and it's relevant surroundings. But all the data and evidence they found, led towards a separatists controlled area/field as the launch location, a Russian made BUK missile and a BUK transporter coming from Russia and going back again afterwards to Russia and conversations between Rebels/commanders in that area about the whole transport and operation. They also have identitfied the names/identities of approx. 100 men who are involved in the whole operation and military commandstructure regarding the BUK operation. What more do you need.
Wuppie62
All BUK's are made by Russia, and both Ukraine and Russia have BUK's. Movement of military hardware, such as BUK systems, in a active war zone would and is top secret info that these investigators wouldn't have access too, so when they say such things without showing any kind of evidence such as satellite images, photos or videos it is impossible to believe. The same would go for these '100 men' they seemingly pulled out of their asses.. CIA itself would be hard pressed to get such info out of an active war zone... so if a bunch of civilians are going to sell the idea that they have identified the military movement of hi tech missile systems and staff I would need to see some kind of evidence. What we have is accusations, which were distributed for a number of years now... however they have yet to show anyone any evidence. So what more do I need? Evidence would be a great start:)
art poirot You clearly haven't seen the presentations of the JIT. They have foto's and video's of the Russian transporter and BUK, on the road at several places in Russia and East Ukraine. Like breadcrums, these foto's and video's, from different independent sources and witnesses are confirmed and authentical and create the BUK's route. They also found evidence of the launch location and witnesses and foto's of the launch itself.
Military equipment sometimes is just transported via normal, civilian roads, through urban area, cities and villages, and can be seen by civilians. They're not fighting and moving in an invisible fifth dimension or something like that.
And the JIT investigator team are not stupid or naive and sure do know a lot more than a dude like you.
It's no secret either how certain army divisions are structured. And the rebels are ordinary men too, with facebook profiles (and ordinary private cellphones) in which they sometimes proudly pose, in uniform, in the battle field. They're not top secret agents, like James Bond, or spies. It's not all that top secret and invisible like you seem to think.
Thank you godbless to all
The question Peskov kept pointing to in spite of those baseless accusations, is actually summed up pretty concisely: 9M38 or 9M38M1? This is the kind of detail in which the devil may indeed lie waiting.
They're not baseless. There's a whole trail of chronological evidence of a Buk vehicle being transported form Russia into Ukraine and back, included with independent foto's, video's witnesses and mobile converstaions by the troops involved and their commanders. The JIT is now investigating further the 100 men involved, to be able to bring the responsible men to Justice.
Or do you believe the Ukranians brought their own Buk transporter first into Russia, then back into the Ukrain and then back into Russia again? LOL..
Besides all the data and evidence, it's only logical that the Pro-Russian Separatists/Russians were trying to prepare to down a Ukrainian military jet. When their radar picked up a jet plane flying towards Eastern Ukrain coming from/outof western Ukrainian airspace, they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane by mistake, only to find out there disaterous mistake after the airliner and civilian casualties were downed.
It's shameless that the Russians try to deny this till the bitter end, trying to mix up the news with fabricated lies and twisted info everytime when a new rapport is being presented by investigators, in the hope to confuse the public and to get away with it and avoid to loose face. They also have no respect for international laws and the United Nations. Shameless!
Wuppie62 As long as this investigation is allegation without proof - both sides are withholding radar data and the report is preliminary - we can't conclude based on individual accounts and evidence that isn't tamper-proof, such as that handed out by Ukraine. The amount of repercussions this event might have requires extra care and muting political wills.
Again, although the JIT will want to make their final case fully in an international court of law, they showed and explained that they have so much evidence and details already from different angles, that they have no reasonable doubt about what happened, where the BUK came from and where it was launched. They feel certain/convinced that they have a case that will stand in court. The allegations by them are not 'baseless', like you said. It 's not fiction. Based on what they showed and explained and their background, I have no reason to doubt the JIT.
Without Putin, Lawrow and Peskow the world would be much better!
Where do you live? In which country?
@@alexnest3433 Thankfully not in shi*thole Ruzzia.
NAZI IN THE KREMLIN!
In 60 AD Apostle Saint Andrew traveled to the area of Kiev, preached, and said, one day a great city would be built here with many churches to the glory of God. Today there is a church to Saint Andrew in Kiev. The peoples in the area were Slavic. Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, three brothers and the sister Lybid founded Kiev in 482 AD, Kiev was named after the older brother Kyi. Kiev the older brother was King. Herodotus wrote that Hercules had founded this land.
The Rus were Viking tribes that settled peacefully in Kiev as far back as 750 AD with the Slavs there, 400 years before Moskva existed. The name Russia, coming from the city Moskva, has no connection to the RUS. Russia coming from Moskva started with Batu Kahn much later as a vasal under Mongolian rule. All the early Czars were Mongolian and of no connection to the RUS. The Rus were with the Slavs to the south in Kiev. Moskva were Finnish Urgic Tribes; Mosk means cow and Va water, which are Finnish names. There was no RUS there. The ethnic background of Moskva is Finnish-Urgic and Mongolian. The Rus developed the religion, city Kiev, alphabet, churches, and had its saints. The founder of Kievian Rus (800) or the Rus was a Viking named Askold or Oskold (Norse) from Sweden; not Oleg as in the Russian story. Kievian Rus exists long Before Novgorod and Oleg’s arrival there. Askold is the Slavic name. Oskold, the first King of Kievian Rus was in Kiev before Oleg in Novgorod. Oskold had 200 ships and 20,000 warriors. Oskold was baptized in Constantinople (128 years before Volodymyr) and sent the first bishop back to Kiev. Oskold and Dir were the first Dynasty of Kievian Rus. Askold rules from the 40-60s and Dir to the 80s. Askold is buried in Kiev and the first Kievian Christian King & Dynasty. Oleg followed coming from Sweden through Novgorod and was a pagan. Russia as named today started in the city of Moskva over 400 years later after Kievian Rus or Rus. From Kiev, the capitol of Rus, Kievian culture was spread, much like the Greeks Hellenized the known world, or like the British anglicized the world by the English language. This process does not make Moskva to become RUS in as much as Persian are not Greek. How we are misled by a name; Russia. The capitol of the RUS has always been Kiev. There is no other RUS and no RUS in Moskva. Many say Ukraine began recently; but the culture of the RUS is Kievian RUS, both culture and ethnic background. Ukraine is a name given by Poland meaning outer lands. The land of the RUS before the Mongolian invasion was very large. The name RUS is a Norse name which means men that row; there are no men that row in Moskva. So Moskva adopted the name Russia while being a Mongolian vassal, essentially traitor to the RUS; and all the Czars were Mongolian-Finnish. The Culture of the Mongolian was centralized power, and that cultural imprint was passed on to present day Russia. Ukraine’s real name should be Kievian RUS, or Kievskarus! Russia began in Moskva by Batu Kahn and Novgorod conquered much later, still no connection to the Rus.
Putin & Lavrov should be ashamed of themselves, the USSR was an occupation; it never had the status of a sovereign state and due process of law that would be associated with a free society. Even today the mentality of the gulag exists. There is no freedom of press and speech, people are arrested for speech, there is no due process of law, and the religion is state run making it totalitarian theocracy. As such, it did not deserve to exist in a free world; and history has shown such totalitarian organizations fail over time and author in many gulags. The true culture of Russia is Finno-Ugric and Mongolian, having nothing to do with the RUS (Kievian), expect borrowed as in the sense of Hellenized or Anglicized "forms" as a comparative reference. The centralized form of Russian politics is a very Mongolian imprint on culture. The actions of Putin seem to be another Mongolian invasion of Kiev; here I suggest as to the correct metaphor. I believe so. Putin & Lavrov insistence to have purview over eastern Europe also seems like paying tribute to the Mongolian Horde. Moskva started as an agglomeration of Finnish tribes, combining a Finnish name meaning cows water and developed by Mongolian culture. Mosk means cow and Va means water. The RUS are men that row, Vikings, Norse, established Kiev 400 years before (750 AD) Moskva even thought to exist. The name Russia for current nation is totally inappropriate. The current Russia started in Moskva; how misleading is the name Russia coming from Moskva that has no connection to the RUS. All the lands should be returned to Kiev; the West of Russia to Finland, and the East to Mongolia. Russia’s place on the globe appears as a temporary aberration in my view. To use threats of Nukes publicly strikes at the heart as adolescent behaviour; surely any nation or person that issues such threats and being an ally to such while not even having war imposed on them is not fit to rule. This would include allies of Russia. Oh yes, I remember, Russia didn't invent the bomb, they stole it in the 1940's and gave it to Kurchatov. Russia struggles with an identity crisis since its beginnings unoriginal to the ethnic groups. Its errors are numerous, 50 million killed by Stalin in WW2, allied to the Nazis to kill the Poles for their defeat in WW2, Holodomor where millions of Ukrainians were killed and grain stolen, and constant antagonist with Europe. We even have the Holy Mother announcing Russia’s errors at Fatima. Russia is a Mongolian culture and all the first Czars were Mongolian and Batu Kahn is the author.
Oskold was the grandson of Ragnar the king of Sweden, his name is old Norse and spoke old Norse, the name Rus is old Norse, he settled peacefully in Kiev and the Slavs made him king, he brought Christianity to Kiev with his son dir...his burial mound is where St Nicholas church is built, Oleg wasn’t even in Novgorod when this happened, and Oleg is not a Rus nor old Norse name. The Slavs called Oskold the name Askold. After came Dir, Oleg was a pagan who assassinated Dir, Oskold becomes the first dynasty...later when the line of kings get to Vladimir, he is captured at a trading post by the Mongols, the post is called Moskva, and the king killed. Moskva as a city was a Mongolian invention, and Novgorod becomes a part of that Russia by conquest, although having nothing to do with the Rus. Oskold line is Ragnar, ironside, Oskold from the King of Sweden Ragnar. Oleg is via Rurik coming much later. The accounts of Oskold are within the time, Al Mamun an Arab writer of the time wrote of Oskold, the Russian chronicles come hundreds of years later. In much the same way accounts of relevant history are better understood by those of the times, much like the Bible, dating to the original times makes the account authentic. The Russian chronicles are merely a tale and inaccurat
What would Russia gain from shooting that plane down?
Seeing as multiple Ukrainian planes were brought down prior to the tragedy, it's pretty clear that they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane.
So i'm not saying there was malicious intent against a commercial plane, I'm saying it's incompetence or stupidity - they thought they were bringing down a different plane.
Господин Песков тоже лишь оратор
Godbless to all Amen
When you see that man you have to laugh right away, Do we really have to take those clown seriues
Monty Python
no comment
by the way, all comments protected russian authority go from special dept Olgino and others
Yes of course dude,Russia is evil and USA world saver thank you for open my eyes!!Damn i was close to believe than EU and USA fucked up on middle-east
Воздушный корридор не был закрыт Украиной во время проведения боевых действий.Данные авиадиспетчера из Днепропетровска умалчиваются. 300 человек погибли по вине првительства Украины.
Брехуй со всем. Не слушайте его. Включайте этот матюкальник. Не обалванивацте себя
Killer say I don't kill them
Funny
R.I.P. Oleg Popov. Now can Vladimir Putin take over the crown of the greatest clown of the world.
State terror and lie machine
Peskow = Creeper!
поганище
Бідний божевільний, марить.
наглосаксы такие нагло, такие саксы