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Sig P226 vs. Beretta 92: Which is the King of Metal 9mms?
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2021
- In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves compares the Beretta 92 to the Sig P226. Both of these guns are extremely well-made, reliable, successful pistols, but which one is the best? James digs into government reports and his own personal opinion to deliver this episode of TFBTV.
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For those of you asking about the diff between my P226s:
One of them is a stamped steel W. German model from 1988, giving it a rare "JJ" date code. My first/middle initials are JJ so I had to have it. Moreover, many German manufacturers skip "J" in date coding and go from I to K. For example, you will not find an H&K with a "J" in the date code. A lot of people swear up and down that the stamped models are superior but I just see them as requiring more maintenance as the breech face insert requires maintenance. The other is an uncommon U-serial (German origin, as opposed to the UU-prefix, which was associated with US manufacture) 226R (railed model) with a stainless/Nitron milled slide and factory night sights. I say less common because by the time the 226R came about, 226 manufacturing was almost all handled in the US. I'm not implying that the German models are superior to the US models, only that I held on to this one because of its rarity. I still shoot the piss out of both of them.
stop drinking dad
Where can I find all the government documents that you use for your research? Thank you in advance!
I use Google Scholar
@@tfbtv thank you, and Thank you to you and everyone involved in these videos. You all provide great content!
Worth noting.
HK uses "J" date codes for magazines.
Since I added Resident Evil grips to my Beretta, I've seen a massive increase in lethality
Resident Evil is absolutely responsible for my fondness for Beretta. Haha
I’m sure if (god forbid) you gotta use it for self defense, those grips will add a massive increase to your sentence too. I’m sure some douchbag prosecutor will have a field day.(Hopefully you live in a free state🤞)
That said, I’ve been meaning to do the same😬
@@musicman2093 Same. Got a set of cocobolo STARS grips for mine.
@@cjykqn Might garner some sympathy from the jury if you mention you’re a Raccoon City survivor!
Samurai Edge. Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
When I was a gun dealer after a while I got so many Law Enforcement Officers come in with malfunctioning Beretta 92’s when they were qualifying I didn’t even have to test them before I repaired them. I brought the gun in the range, applied a little oil to the bone dry handgun and fired it without a hiccup. They performed like a sewing machine. The cops always said the same thing. What did you do to it to fix it so fast? My response. I oiled it. Lol. If you could see the dumbfounded look on their face. Lol.
They do like to run not dry. Pretty amazing what simply maintaining a well built weapon will do for its reliability. 🤣
Makes you question wether they should be carrying that handgun at all! Give ‘em a clapped out old 1911 with waxed rails if they can’t or won’t do basic maintenance.
Like, they’re trusting their lives to those handguns and if they aren’t in proper working order that is a safety concern.
Surely they were trained to keep their sidearm in a functioning state.
Hell, they don’t even need that much lube to work well. A light spray of Break Free and my M9 would run all day without any problems!
I used to take my gun apart before every shift to make sure it was ready to go. I didn't clean it and oil it each time but just a quick break down and put back together.. Function check and on the road I went
Not surprising. Police actually scare me with their lack of firearms knowledge and proficiency.
As a Glock hater, l thank the Lord every day for not speaking to Gaston until after the xm9 trials.
The design of the 92 is iconic.
Italian masterpiece.
Both fantastic pistols (like you mentioned).
Thanks for the great review.
Riggs shot a smiley face with his Beretta in Lethal Weapon so by all tests of accuracy, Beretta wins.
I ricocheted 1
checkmate, Sig
Yeah, but that group size, doe.
Jet Li>92fs>p226
@@raylandraybels9462I get this reference…
That split second where Sauron looks deep into your soul tho
Subtle, had to go back after reading your comment to freezeframe and see it - just caught the flicker on first view.
A timestamp would be nice.
@@jeebus2121 go to 2:39 and set your playback speed to 0.25 ... and enjoy.
@@VosperCDN you can see it at normal speed.
@@chrisspencer6502 Yep, indeed. Saw it on first watch hahaha
Can’t we just all agree they are both really, really cool. I guess the CZ-75 would really round out a trio nicely.
Yes. All fine pistols.
Beretta and cz are my favorite 9mm pistols
CZ 75 line of pistol tops them off both
@@MrScar665 doubt it . Berettas IMO
@@sparky_-mf2cs Berreta vs Shadow 2 or TSO. Doubt it.
not just that, but the p228 and p229 were also used in every branch of the military as well.
Wait. So the 226, CZ75, and Beretta 92 all came from 1975? Good lord they loved their DA/SA guns back then.
Yup and striker fired Tupperware Glock came 7 years latter in 1982
I heard that the DoD mandated decocker DA/SA’s to prevent negligent discharges by less-skilled pistol carriers.
Much better design IMO.
Beretta is better than the Sig because it appeared first in the Original Die Hard movie
and made a smiley face on a target in "Lethal Weapon"
And is the trademark weapon in Max Payne series and John Woo movies.
It was my first pistol at age 19 because of those movies
Beretta is easier to tape to back - hence it won the audition
Beretta and AUG together. 80s firearm high water point.
I’ve owned my 92F for almost 30 years and I love it. Recently, while qualifying for my armed security guard license, I was required (by my employer, that is what they issue) to use a 226. While I shot well enough to qualify in my first round, I found that it didn’t feel quite as good in my hand as my 92f. So I agree 100% with what James said, it’s all gonna come down to which one you prefer.
Thanks for the great video and keep up the good work.
Those 92’s are so accurate. If the grip were a 1/4in longer it would be my everyday carry gun. That short grip always aggravated me. But I still love the 92, even with it’s shortcomings
The Beretta and the Sig tied in the military testing, the Beretta was chosen as the military sidearm for one reason only, the magazines were cheaper. It boils down to what you like /are used to.
M9 or SIG 226
James: Yes
CZ75 *heavy breathing behind James' back* :D :D
^this
Back then the cz was an evil eastern block gun.
I bet the CZ-75 could beat both guns
CZ75 over either the Berreta or the Sig.
@@wastool same here, although in my opinion, it is better to have all of them... you know... diversity and all... :D
Great video. The first semi-auto pistol I ever fired was at boot camp. It was the 1911 and it only had about five years left in service. Up until then, a 38 revolver was the only centerfire handgun I had fired. Then a few years later, the Beretta came on the scene and I carried that for the military for the next 24 years or so. I was also on the tactical team for a prison for just over a decade and we had the Sig. The "feel" of the Sig was always better in my hands. The M9 felt like it was light in the front when I held it; "unbalanced" feeling(?). But when it came to qualifications, I scored about equal with them and I really have no complaints about either one. Since retiring, I have the 1911 and the M9 (Operation Enduring Freedom Army Commemorative) for military nostalgia; but I never did buy a Sig for tactical nostalgia. Maybe some day I will. My final thought is that I feel equally confident with both of them.
Very cool review. I sold a stainless 92 back in the day and have regretted it ever since. I have never owned a P226 had a friend that did ....both are outstanding firearms.
"One pistol to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them." That right there, earned a like.
So did this.
The quick Eye of Sauron flash was a nice touch too. :-D
I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out
@@sambarris9843 even at .25 speed it’s just a flash. It’s a very nice touch.
@@SomeGuy. yep. you gotta pause as soon as you see the flash, and use the < and > to move back and forth a frame at a time.
Plus the Beretta is just so beautiful objectively. Handles so well and looks so iconic
I prefer the look of the Sig
@@oceaser6977 Can’t account for bad taste lol. Some even like the looks of Glock’s lol. The standard Beretta 92 is without question an iconic look. No other pistol besides a 1911 comes close to the aesthetic appeal of a Beretta 92.
@@oceaser6977 sig also looks nice but it’s no beretta
@@chrisragone8785 I say revolvers win the looks contest. S&W 27 for me
@@gs6734 Im gonna have to go with the Colt Python for revolvers in the looks department.
P226's duty track record is impeccable.
Just make sure you grease them rails
It failed the mud test in the XM9 trials but the Army decided against counting the test. If you want to look into it, see the GAO report.
NYPD had a temporary rust issue with theirs (they cheaped out on the K Kote) & the mags not going all the way in when you thought it was in.
How would you know?
@@cjohnson9211Grease/lube any metal or polymer pistol's frame rails
I absolutely love my P226 Mk25. I have a couple of 21 round mags that work flawlessly. I also added lower pound springs to make my trigger pull 2.5lbs in single action mode. But I do agree that the Beretta 92 is also a fine weapon. In my humble opinion you can't go wrong with either of these side arms. I guess I'm just used to the controls on the sig as I own several. Also as a side note, the sig 2022 is an amazing side arm that is really on par with the 226 and half the cost.
which is the king of metal 9mms? doesn't matter 'cause I still want both.
Best answer. One can't have enough good quality pistols.
I have the LTT. The question is do I buy the M9A3 or 226 Legion?
Yup
@@dennisb4027 Yes
Also, it's the CZ75... 🤣
Only one of these guns was taped to the back of John McClane during the penultimate scene of the definitive Christmas classic.
I've got both. The high bore axis of the Sig and the recoil impulse leaves a bit to be desired. The Beretta is my first choice
I agree. The Beretta is my first choice as well.
Beretta gang in here lol. Sad though, I work at a gun store and the number of DA pistol fans are few and far between. Fewer and further than 1911s and revolvers.
But I guess that just means we can all hog the short bus by ourselves. ;)
The fact that all the shooters in this test - not to mention the .mil dudes that use it- shot it just as well as the 92 shows that the bore axis bs is just that. B.S.
@@bobsmith-qu2oq.... I'm guessing you're a Sig fan and your feelings are hurt because we said we like the Beretta better. Too bad. And no, its not "just bs." Its science.
Yeah I’m gonna call a huge BS on that one chief.
I’m not here to say one gun is better than the other but to use the “high bore axis” as excuse against the sig is just total bullshit.
Having a high bore axis on as tame of a round as 9mm has such a minimal effect it’s hardly even worth mentioning to begin with. It’s completely overplayed.
And then to add on TOP of that the sig p226 is a fuckin 34 ounce gun made out of aluminum alloy...
Cmon… get outta here
If you shoot the Beretta better then that’s fine and actually totally respectable.
But it’s bore axis has absolutely nothing to do with that and this over played myth needs to be laid to bed.
Are used to have a Sigg P226. I loved it. It was one of the best Semi automatic handguns I’ve ever shot. Extremely accurate. The only thing I could never except was that it was so top-heavy bulky and had a high barrel axis.,
I checked out operetta 92 and was instantly impressed. I bought a civilian M9 a few years ago after selling my Sigg P226 and never looked back. The Beretta just felt like a natural pointer it felt lighter on the top with that open top slide and didn’t have all that bulk that the Sig did.
That is the only thing that made me decide between the two. Other than that both are great 9 mm pistols
Back in the 90’s we were issued both guns. Oddly, the majority of the officers found it a bit more difficult to qualify with the Beretta, but....the reliability and accuracy was equal, the trigger on the Beretta was liked better. The Sig had better sights. And when it came down to choosing, it was about equal. Personal preference does make a difference. The Berettas are long gone, replaced by mostly Glocks, but I still carry a SIG 226 and love it. Good video.
Berettas are so long gone that Wilson Combat and Langdon Tactical Tech are overwelmed with backed up orders...Berettas still a rocking legend better then before with Brigadier slides and options.
@@joseromero3004 He's talking about his department, not the current gun market....
@@dkoh.13 true I understand that now, it was the state replacing both the Sig and the Beretta for the cheaper wholesale priced glocks. I missed that part. Thanks. To be honest I started with a glock 17 and tried the Sig, but now preffer the Beretta's feel and design with Wilson low profile decocker only of course. But all 3 are my top 3 anyway 1. Beretta 2. SIG 3. Glock. Just opinion...
When Berettas and SIGs first hit the market in the 80s both guns used the two-dot combat sights. Qualifying with a Beretta should be cake since the barrel is longer and doesn't move, so it's inherently a more accurate design. The Beretta's a bit bigger, sure, but it's not hard to carry. Hell, with the P226 now being made with a milled slide it's probably just as heavy as the Beretta, if not heavier. I miss the old stamped SIGs.
@@burmiester1 Beretta 92 barrels absolutely do move, they're short recoil just like sigs or 1911s. They simply use a locking mechanism that differs from the typical tilting barrel design. They're basically the descendants of the P38 and use a locking block that slides out of place when the slide reciprocates, unlocking the barrel from the slide. The Px4 by comparison uses a rotating barrel rather than a tilting one, but they all have moving barrels.
Only blowback (makarov, hi point), delayed blowback (steyr GB) and gas operated designs (desert eagle) have fixed barrels. Any recoil-operated design has a reciprocating barrel.
What a great comparison of two classic pistols!! Thank you for putting this together. One of the best firearm based pieces of content I've watched in a long, long time!
Just got a 92g. Regarding your knock about the Ambi decocker adding width. I actually happen to really like that. I've found it adds a bit more grip when manipulating the slide. Its something that I've grown to appreciate about the Beretta when training with it.
James: “it’s very close but the beretta is what I like better”
Us: dude you used a Langdon tactical beretta, it’s a lot better than the stock
James: * shoves short shorts and craft beer across table as bribe *
A 92X Full Size with Langdon Tactical Trigger Job costs less than a stock P226.
Ha. Good eye. No trigger job so it's basically better sights and some cosmetic improvements IMO. I'd much prefer the standard 92 with an LTT trig job over an LTT with a stock trigger.
@@tfbtv - It still has a D Spring installed which lightens the trigger up a bit.
You can get the absolute works from Langdon Tactical 92x Centurion and RDO slide cuts for the price of a Sig 226 Legion RXP
@@tfbtv Extended mag releases on m9's are basically mandatory.
Metal wonder-nines and didn't even mention a CZ. Tsk tsk.
Those tight shorts are cutting off oxygen to your brain James.
CZ....pffft
This was presentation of the 1984 armed forces pistol competition so at that time CZ was still under Warsaw Pact.
Maybe we can have competition for Warsaw Pact pistols, if there was such thing, and have competition between those two.
@@fchanMSI it's a joke, don't worry about it.
This is correct. The king of the metal 9mm's is the CZ 75.
I like and have owned by Beretta 92 and the SIG P226, but the CZ is the best of the three, despite some quirks.
@@MarkAndrewEdwards what would be some quirks of the Cz75?
I have a p220 and an M9. Love them both. Carried an M9 in the Corps , but I just love Sigs. The way they look, feel, and shoot. If I had to choose I'd go with the 226.
It’s the Sig 226 for me. Since I’m not the government the cost difference isn’t an issue. I really like the frame mounted decocker . I bought the elite scorpion model. Trigger pull at 4lbs 4ozs was where I really like it. One other thing I really like about the Sig is the looks, man that’s one pretty gun. Thanks for posting.
Had used both of them over 25 years - German made P226 with stamped slide and M9 - and besides, that Sig has a lot of records & prestige as legend says, I stayed with M9. I had to replace pins in Sig Sauers's slide after every 3000 rounds, slide finish worn up also quickly... Beretta - better practical accuracy, quality, grip and shine design. DA/ SA with alloy frame are still great today, I personally preffer them over plastic strikers. Beretta is a touch of late 80's and true film legend, so I understand well its market fame. It is a very good pistol in the end. For me - the most loved one. Coupled with 10 inch barreled AK 7,62 mm ;-)
you don't have to replace any pins in the billet slide.
Personally I feel like there is slightly less felt recoil on the Beretta 92 and it's a more softer shooter due to the locking block nature of the gun and the open slide design. The barrel doesn't move compared to the more common tilting barrel design and the open slide means most of the reciprocating mass from the slide is below the barrel leading to a softer shooting gun. To me it's most noticeable if you are shooting fast. Triggers are great in both guns and so are the ergonomics. Aftermarket support are great for both and you can customize it to your heart's galore. The newer Beretta 92s fixed most of the issue I had with it over the newer Sig P226s like the lack of an accessory rail, adjustable sights, and so on. I do have to mention that getting optics like a red dot on the 92 is a pricey endeavor compared to the Sig P226 because of the locking block and open slide design. You have to spend top dollar to get an optics compatible Beretta 92
@@JacksonWalter735 Have you shot a p226 with e2 grips? Best upgrade you could ever do on a p226.
@@duroisgawd But I have had a W. German made one, not US made.
@@JacksonWalter735, I agree on the recoil and feel.
That was a really well-done discussion between the two pistols. I was in the US Air Force at that time as a cop. 83-82 when they started this crap, we all heard rumors that we were going to get the Beretta 9 mm never heard anything about the Sig Sauer. Of course since it was a military deal it took all the four years I was in, to pick the Beretta 9 m m. So I got to hear about it, never got to see it or carry it! LOL. Now, I really truly like the new Berettas and I've got seven of the damn things in various manufacturers and slide types. I truly like them all, whether it's the G Style decocker or the standard safety with a slightly swept up engagement so it makes it harder to engage the safety when you're racking the slide.
If I had to pick one out of all the ones I own now, I like the new 92x Centurion , because it's slightly shorter and it just feels better in my hand.
The 92x centurion is the best! Perfect size great grips
I own both and love them both. In fact almost all of my pistols are Sigs and Beretta's. My 226 is a Legion. I also have the Wilson Combat Beretta 92 Centurion, which is a work of and slides like it's on rails. I have the Sig 229 Dark Elite, comparable to my Beretta 92FS compacts (I have a few of them) in terms of feel. Again, both shoot incredibly well and it would be a tough call to pick one over the other. Both the Sigs and Beretta's are incredibly balanced, reliable and accurate. Both are great looking and feeling pistols. I maybe give a slight edge to the Beratta in terms of looks - I like the open slide. The 229 Dark Elite is a close second with its enhanced beaver tail.
Both are true pistol legends. Everyone can talk about this and that and reliability tests, but these pistols have actual war time on the odometer where lives depended on their performance and they were exposed to the raw, unforgiving elements of war that take a toll on gear. A lot of firearms can perform great in a lab, but how many tens of thousands of trigger pulls did they accumulate during war? Thats why these two pistols walk the walk and have bragging rights against most other comers. I love them both and they approach the job in uniquely German and Italian ways. I will say there's something romantic about shooting the M9/92 platform however just in terms of aesthetics. From 10 feet away the Sig could be confused for 50 other firearms, but nothing looks like the Beretta. It has a "stage presence" unlike any other -- very similar to the 1911. That doesnt mean it shoots any better than the Sig, it just means it might tug some other impulses for a prospective buyer. Id trust my life with either handgun however -- and millions of others have while protecting freedom around the world. Their "field time" during the worst of humanity is in a class by themselves.
The Beretta comes with a bowl of Bolagnaise Pasta and grapa. So that’s a win in my eyes.
I love grapa. . . and meaty red sauce, I am in!
I'm bringing the tiramisu and growing a mustache!!
I love both my 92 and retired law enforcement 226 , HK USP 45 and 9 are sitting next to them along with a Styer M9A1 and 19x i usually have the Glock or Styer on me...enjoy 😉
I've been qualifying Expert and carrying the M9 as my duty weapon since 1994. I love it, and I also bought a 92FS as a home gun. Both are very reliable and accurate. Never fired the P226, though.
I finally just found the m9a1 compact I have been hunting for. Has a #12 Wilson combat hammer spring thing shoots amazing
TRAINING is what makes one prefer one instead of another.
True. Although it is quite amazing that we have come to a time where out of like 4 (I know there is more) commonly used brands of self defense and service pistols, you can’t go wrong because all preform really well. Between Beretta, Sig, Glock, and S&W it all comes down to what feels right for you and what you are most comfortable with. Like you said though, the guns may all be good but the person who has the best training (and raw skill) will come out on top.
*Carried the 92fs for over 10 years, saved my life many times, HOOAH USAF Combat Veteran and Federal LEO*
Now you might want to do a comparison that includes the CZ 75 because of all these comments lol
Cz 75 kicks the 92s butt
The CZ wins hands down.
CZs are mysterious evil communist guns - 1984 man.
I have both and without any brand bias to me 92FS is a better handgun all around. It is more accurate in my hands at least, more reliable (actually only handgun I have that never malfunctioned), slightly better trigger, easier to operate and better looking although that one is subjective.
Have a Beretta 92x and the SIG MK25 and I'll never part with either. The Beretta due to it's vertec frame gives me a better grip and trigger control when firing DA. I have large hands (not extra large) and the SIG grip being a tad bulky doesn't allow me good trigger pull firing DA. Have installed the short trigger reset kit in the SIG and trigger is much better than the Beretta. As far as accuracy, the Beretta shots much tighter groups than the SIG at 8+ meters. Don't really know if that's due to a longer barrel or sight plane.
I have both, P226 West German and an Italian made BER 92 from 1992 and 1986 respectively. It is a tie, one is not better than the other so it is a matter of style and preference. They were both tested at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD. They both went thru 30,000 rounds of regular pressure ammo. Continued test went as high as 54,000 rounds before changing slide and 76,000 round for the Beretta before changing receiver. I know because as an US Army Captain I worked at APG testing grounds and read the reports. Which one? Buy both like I did, that way you don't need to decide. If it come down to money, the Beretta 92 is less expensive but still pricy as with all high quality pistol but you get what you pay for in terms of high quality. Now both are manufactured in the US.
Always great to see people talk about the Beretta 92FS because of Resident Evil and the Samurai's Edge. Fun fact tho the Sig P226 is also in Resident Evil. Its in RE5 and is the strongest handgun in the lineup of handguns in the game.
I just happen to be a Sig and Beretta fanatic. I love my Beretta's, and the P226 is on my list.
I love my 92G. I almost picked up a West German P226 at a gun show last month but there was a stunning 686 no dash I couldn't pass up haha
686 has entered the chat. All others flee.
I worked security for 7 years and my carry weapon was a Beretta 92. It is a very good reliable pistol.
I own a model 92F (full size) it fits my hand perfect! Many years later...It still fits my hand...PERFECT! TBH..Both are exceptional in terms of performance as intended. The fact is I love/adore the all metal feel/fit of either of these pistols! BTW, I worked my 1st police duty round back in the early 1980s. What was "issued" was not what I expected in terms of duty services so I asked and was allowed to purchase my own service/duty pistol which was the relatively new Sig P-226. While at the range a few fellow officers commented on my service pistol and it seemed like it was now considered the ideal service/duty sidearm at that time. I still own that very same pistol and it's still just flawless in terms of accuracy and overall feel.
I still use a P226 as my primary handgun for pretty much everything. I just love it. I have 20rd factory mags for it too.
CZ: “am I joke to you?”
Yes
Accu-Shadow 2 laughs at the Sig and the 92, "I am better than both of you."
Very much so. Ugly ass guns.
These millennials know nothing. When CZ was making guns, the Sig owner was not even born.
@@jolebole-yt lol the Model T was made before everyone who is on here was born. By your logic, it's better than a modern pick up truck....
Something being old, doesn't make it better.
Ugly ass guns lol
My father was gifted his 226 from the Sacramento Sheriff’s Dept when he retired. And it’s mine now. To this day it is my favorite pistol- not due to sentimental reasons because it just works well for me. Both guns are great. Plus I suppose if one DID jam it could be used as a club. Heavy mofos.
Good video.
They're both so great. My grip and hand size meant that I tended to 'ride' the slide release on my Sig, preventing lock back on empty, and that was a minor annoyance, especially in competition. The Sig has an incredibly comfy grip, too. That said, I find the Beretta to be super natural in my hands, and the thing has never, ever failed. Talk about a choice with no downside, huh?
The slide release problem on the 226 seems to be ubiquitous but I'd rather just live with it than adopting a special grip applicable to a single pistol.
Pecker pulling contest, well that made my day and it's early yet. Happy New Year!
Have both and love them both.
The only logical choice in a situation like this.
Thanks. I have a Beretta 92X, dual action and I love it. No safeties but it's ready to go right away. I was eyeballing the P226 and this video helped me make my decision on getting one. I'm also going to go compact too.
Have them both, love them both.... prefer the Sig with a short reset trigger. Just a better fit and feel for me and I don't like a slide mounted safety (or any safety, for that matter, on a SA/DA semi-auto). Both are super high quality firearms.
Thanks for the interesting video. In 1984, I went out to buy the Beretta 92 after I learned that it won the JSP trials. I have shorter fingers and the trigger reach for the Beretta in double action was a no go for me. The P226 suited me fine and it was $20 cheaper at $420 so I bought it. I knew at the time that it was technically as good as the Beretta based on the JSP results. I updated it last year with a new slide with a red dot optic cut. It's a fine gun.
Last P226 I saw at my local store was over $1000... Good Jimeny Jeeves do I love inflation.
Why the slide?
@@Hialeah1925 The new slide was cut for a red dot optic (included). Helps with my old eyes.
@@Tony-om5kr ah… could you not have had it cut?
@@Hialeah1925 Yes, for about $200 or more including shipping. For $400 I got a new slide with a Sig red dot included; so less hassle.
P226 ftw, the 92 is well known for being on most if not all gun free zone signs
🤣
Yup. When I see one of those signs, I assume it means I can't carry my 92, so in those cases, I carry my 226.
I actually used that reasoning at Costco when they asked me to leave. I was carrying a Glock.
I have a 92FS with crimson trace grips , a 92X Centurion and a 226 Elite stainless. I love all 3 but if we're a SHTF scenario I'd grab the 92FS.
I have owned a Beretta , for many years, and its quality is very good, and the slide and trigger are smooth as butter compared to all other pistols i own. Just this weeki thought about trading it for a CZ, that is considered to be better. But, the M9 has proven itself to be reliable and accurate, every time i shoot it, so i am gonna keep it, its just too cool to get rid of .
Get a cz75p01, you'll never touch the Beretta again
It should be noted that the USAF looked at aluminum-frame pistols far back in the early 1950s. The early efforts brought forth the Colt Commander and S&W 39.
The Air Force historically was very conscious of good small arms strategy. They essentially saved the AR-15 because they were the only ones not dumb enough to let politics get in the way of an amazing platform
@@MellowFellowOfYellow For a bunch of spoiled flyboys, they have a good eye for guns.
General LeMay saw it as the ideal replacement for M1/M2 carbines used by the Air Police. It caught on with Special Forces, and the rest is history.
Subliminal LOTR message nice.
Get both, obviously. I've had a S&W 659 since 1985 and shoot it like it's part of my arm. The 226 and 92 are in the stable now as well, as is a CZ and several other "wonder nine" pistols. Great video, thank you. It's great to see the comparison still rages and is still relevant in this era dominated by polymer striker fired pistols. These pistols are legendary and definitely still absolutely fine choices. I just can't choose, but if I had to only have one, I would keep my 659.
I own both, and both are fantastic. If you’ve never fired a P226 or a 92/M9, go to a range where you can rent both. It will most likely come down to which model fits your hand and the one that you shoot the best.
A new 92/M9 is a bit less expensive than a new P226, if that means anything to you. And the locking block issue was corrected eons ago. The Generation 2 and 3 locking blocks will last past the 20,000 round mark. And swapping out the old locking block for a new one is pretty easy.
The Sig is equally iconic. It’s reliability and accuracy are legendary.
I was a mega Sig fan boy for many years. I still am. I bought my first Beretta because I got a great deal on it. I honestly didn’t expect a bunch, because I’d read all of the negative comments about it online. But after my first trip to the range with it, I’d become a huge fan of Beretta. I’ve never shot any brand of pistol that cycles so smoothly. And it’s incredibly accurate. It’s been 100% reliable, and it’s now over 20 years old, with thousands and thousands of rounds under it’s belt. Zero malfunctions.
With a bit of training, the Beretta’s slide mounted safety has proven to be to the shooter’s advantage. But if you prefer a decock only pistol, buy a 92G model. I own both. I personally prefer the FS model, but I’ve trained a LOT with one.
Berretta? Sig? No, CZ75
0:05 SIG 226 all day.
I like them both to close to call. I own the Beretta 92X RDO and the rest of my carry guns are Glocks 43, 48MOS, 26, 40MOS..
I own both a P226 and a 92FS. Both are incredible guns with great triggers but after all is said and done it’s Beretta FTW. An M9 was the last weapon I was issued in my 23 year Army career and I’m pretty fond of them.
Agreed both awesome guns. I’m partial to the sig.
UA-cam is so insane they keep changing the Bell notification on my subscription to my gun channels
@anvil schnieder they straight up unsubbed me from Forgotten Weapons..
Yeah they are screwing around with all the gun channels like that. I have to turn my notifications back on all the time. The only way to make them listen is to kick them in the dollars signs. Unfortunately we wouldn’t get to enjoy any of the content that we want.
What a very-very comprehensive review sir. I found this review to be extremely informative...so....thank you very much for your thorough research. Be well.
I have both. The beretta has a slight edge in my hands. 98 scores with the92 sig 226 94 to 97 score . Carried both on duty. Both very dependable . Broke an extractor on the sig after 20 years. Sig fixed it and replaced every worn part. I carry both on and off. They are my go to semis.
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2:10 is Air force (and Army Air Corp) legend Gen. Robin Olds (Wearing the revolver), triple ACE of WWII and Vietnam and West Point Graduate.
He created the mission Operation Bolo that tricked the VPAF into thinking they were intercepting a Bomber formation only to break cloud cover to find they have fallen into a trap of 56 F4 Fighters flying close together and broadcasting fake bomber signals.
"Years later, Vietnamese government sources admitted that Operation Bolo on January 2 was one of the worst days for the VPAF during the war."
"The mission was a response to the heavy losses sustained during the Operation Rolling Thunder aerial-bombardment campaign of 1966, during which Vietnam People's Air Force fighter jets had evaded U.S. escort fighters and attacked U.S. bombers flying predictable routes. On January 2, 1967, U.S. Air Force F-4 Phantom II multirole fighters flew a mission along flight paths typically used by the bombers during Rolling Thunder. The ruse drew an attack by Vietnamese Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 interceptors, whose pilots expected to find heavily loaded fighter-bombers. Instead, they were met by the far more agile F-4s"
"The battle prompted VPAF pilots and strategists, as well as Soviet tacticians, to re-evaluate the tactics and deployment of the MiG-21."
A real American hero, that Brigadier General Olds. Rest In Peace, sir. 🇺🇸
Comments like this are why I love the Internet. Thank you for sharing this.
Ford v Cheverolet. I have both, and I will not get rid of either. I carried the M9, And Just love it. Carried it on 371 combat missions, and as an MP I carried it every day on duty. Took an absolute career of abuse, and NEVER hung me out to dry. The only malfunctions I ever had were due to ammo quality, and being issued neglected, dirty, unmaintained magazines that were just too grimy to feed properly. Coincidently, I kept a set of magazines that I routinely maintained to insure I didnt have to rely on randomly issued magazines that were not properly maintained.
Thanks for the video, I know I do prefer the sig, however a properly maintained M9 for which I have been training with in advanced shooting courses for more than 15years does the job quite well. Can't beat either of them as long as you train with the one you choose. I just wish the M9 Locking blocks were more durable. This and recoil management is the only reason I like the sig over the M9. With this said i have more experience with the M9. All is personal preference and what you train with.
The answer is CZ P-01
TFB has become my go to channel and one of my favorites. I, and I assume many others, appreciate the focus being on firearms and the canon of firearms tech/accessories.
Two great pistols, one winner in head to head, it’s the Sig folks, it’s always the Sig. The 220 is my favorite, I love single stack .45/10mm too. In 9mm it’s the 226 by a lot
I’ve been a police officer for 27 years and I’ve carried everything from S&W 19 to the Glock 19. I still prefer to carry by 92FS when I am in uniform but as a detective I find it too large and heavy.
I carried both as a LEO and would chose the 92 in a heartbeat
That slide safety kills it for me plus the weight . Prefer my 229 but carry sig 365 or 365xl. Still would take a sig over beretta for duty. That safety just to risky. Even if if was g decoder only in the way of slide management.
@@chevykent77 the Taurus PT 92 is a berreta with a frame mounted safety
@@chevykent77 you’re comparing compact pistols to the 92. The 226 and 92 are within 1oz of eachother.
@@solanuskc4303 yes I know. Guess back in the early wonder nine years with the beretta. I got the 92fs great price like new. I really like it but ,let say its just not my fit but I still bought it and new wilson combat ultra thin grips. I plan to shoot it alot more, just would never carry in these times for me. Glock 19 gen4 fs night sight last year 2019 this year been sigs 365 and the 365xl way more comfort for concealed carry. I could see the 92fs on my side for a minute though.......
I have NEVER had a problem with an "external safety". That is a myth.
I HAVE used a Naval 226 that was ridden like a rented mule and shot like crap.
226s are great pistols, well made, reliable and durable. They are not magic though.
They are clunky, have duplo grips, an unnecessarily high bore axis, and NOBODY shoots competition with them.
I would take a Beretta 11/10 times because I shot them better, they understand ergonomics, bore axis, and the 226 is almost always overpriced because "SEAL Team".
I hate them, but they are still solid, solid pistols.
"The Air Force woke up on the front lawn after texting their girlfriend with pissed pants" lol epic as fuuc! lolol
for me I absolutely fell in love with the feel of the M9, recoil, grip angle, all of it except the safety gets in the way and takes training to handle.
Beretta fans will be Beretta fans and Sig fans likewise. I did shoot the Beretta in the AF and loved it...! Sooooo much better than the M15 .38. But then I fell in love with my Sig SP2022 (which is a cheaper version of the 226) and have been a Sig fan ever since. What I have noticed is when I purchased my P320 X-Carry... my shooting improved immensely...! True Sig Fan for life here...!
Cz75 sp-01. Is the wondernine.
Yep
the answer is...CZ !
I couldn’t decide which was better so I have both. I don’t get to shoot them much anymore due to time constraints but they are both awesome guns and fun to shoot!
Love it when half the comments are "CZ"!
Cz75...now you don’t have to watch the video
Got them both and my CZ75 kicks both their asses to the curb. As far as a full-size, full-metal metal 9mm, the CZ75 is the smoothest, best action pistol you can buy. Just my honest opinion.
I bought a 92F and taught a nephew how to shoot it and we also rented the glock 17 and 19 he liked the 92F so much after our trial that he decided to go into law enforcement rising through the Maine state police then joined the secret service protection detail for president Busch not bad for showing a great young man how to focus and use a gun like the barretta which has advantages over poly type guns was very proud of him
Excellent video! I carried a P220 and then a P226 for years as a duty weapon, and I currently own two Beretta 92FS' - the Compact and the Brigadier. Both the P226 and the 92FS are outstanding and I do not have a single bad thing to say about either. I prefer the 92s for a few reasons, one being that for me I like the safety/decocker on the 92FS. Thank you for an intelligent comparison - your conclusions resonate with my personal experiences. Well done!
Dunno but I just like the feel of the 226 on my hand better.
The answer is CZ-75BD. This has been a PSA by the CZ gang. Czechnology for the win.
I'll never part with my CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical. Great trigger, flat shooting, minimal recoil, fast acquisition, deadly accurate.
I love my p09, which is just a modernized poly frame 75.
I’ve never shot a Beretta, but I love my Sig P-Series. I’ve picked up a P226 and 2 x P229s as LEO trade-ins for around $500-$600 then put all of Gray Guns parts in as well as Bar-Sto barrels on all. P226 and P229 now have a .40SW and .357 Sig barrel each which only need the barrel change to change calibers and P229 has .357 Sig and 9mm barrels with different recoil spring and magazines for each caliber. The aftermarket and ease of caliber swap have always been a big selling points for the Sigs for me.
Loved the review! I've been in the market for a 92a1, and allllmost picked one up earlier today, and would have if my impulse control was any weaker. I already own a Mk25 and love it (at least after swapping out the sights to get a better sight picture. This helped cement me getting the 92a1 in the near future.
The CZ 75 B.
You said it brother.
Beretta M9 😍😍😍
I have fired a Beretta 92. Sweet firing handgun. I fired a Sig(in .40 caliber) and though it was a nice shooter, the trigger was a little stiff. I owned both the Beretta 92 FS and the Sig P226. The Beretta had the advantage in barrel length. Both guns are sturdy and you can’t go wrong with either. The owner’s manual stated that you can’t use ammunition hotter than the recommended ammunition. I didn’t see that warning on the Sig owner’s manual (unless I misread it).
It all comes down to the preference and knowledge of the gun a shooter is using.
11 years ago i walked into a gun shop to buy a 92fs as my first pistol. It was beautiful and sculpted and fit my hands like it was built for me. Then the salesman asked if I had ever felt a Sig Sauer p226. Being my first pistol i had never felt anything but the 92FS. my local police carried them. They would hold classes for families to take the allure out of our young minds by allowing us to hold and dry fire their service weapons. (I grew up in a small farm town) After walking into the back the salesman walked out with a p226 platinum elite. It was gaudy blocky and definitely not as sexy as the beretta. But with its manufacturing date as April 7 and my birthday as April 10 I couldn’t help but pick it up. All this time later that firearm has been with me. It has well over 40,000 rounds through it, has been put against glocks and Springfields. Sat on my side for the three years I worked for an FFL and still chugs. The 92 is a fantastic firearm. I’ve sold many of them, but my 226 has and will always be my go to. I do agree that the 92 vs 226 question is like comparing green apples to red apples. It’s personal preference. They both are tried and true. Great video all the same.