Ian - 1992 "Attitude" and learning to love vintage tones
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2018
- Watch Ian Allison talk about his early days in the studio learning to love vintage instruments and tones, and lay down the bass and show you how in “take it easy on me"!
Ian, this is still one of your best insights.
I had a couple of very similar situations decades ago. Looking back I am thankful for the patience and guidance of some keen producers and engineers who believed in me and my abilities but needed to recalibrate my compass. Invaluable lesson. Thanks!
"Love what the industry loves so the industry loves you"
Panagiotis Makaritsis
Old school Ian Allison 🤩 love this guy he’s a legend on SBL now a days! I remember him talking about that bass 😂
Amazing advice. Thank you for this.
Great Insight!! Thanks Ian for sharing...
Ian is spot on here. If you show up to a session, especially for a new client, with anything but a passive Fender P or Jazz bass you blew it. I did. I showed up to my first big session in LA back in 2005 with an active Spector 5, red, flame maple top, EMG hum buckers, the works. The producer looked at me like I had a branch growing out of my forehead. He politely suggested I use the Vintage Guild Starfire hanging on the wall, or perhaps the vintage Gibson EBO. I didn't event plug in the Spector. Sold it the next week and never went back. JMJ talks about this as well, and his insights really shaped my approach. I do a ton of session work now and always bring a '73 Fender P w/flats, a Modern Fender 5 set passive (but can go active if they want more bite), a Gibson Grabber for something more vintage rock n' roll, a Yamaha fretless, a Moroccan Guembri for something mind blowing, and a Broughton Audio P-15 Tube Pre if they want it.
Best advice for me. Thanks a lot, really appreciate
I’ve always been in love with vintage tones
His acting and story telling skills are impressive.
He is hysterical!
Without getting too lengthy, I appreciate you, loved your videos on SBL, thanks for the insight/reenforcement of what so many already know to be true. I don't have the scratch for the "real vintage" but do play some American standard Fenders. Gotta love the P and the J.
I looooove this video! Everyone should be so lucky as to see this video before they put themselves in that situation. I skipped the not knowing the classics bit because that's what we listened to in my home, but I sure came in hot with the gear nobody wanted to record and the licks that didn't fit! I just picked up the hint after two sessions or so, brought Fenders, sold the bourgeois basses, and it seemed to work. Fortunately for my generation and younger there are resources like this in case we don't get the cool producer. And fortunately for me I get to work with an artist now who loves licks that don't belong on other people's records!
Fantastic advice!!
As the owner of version 3 of that bass, I will say that the best thing about it is that is cops both modern AND vintage tones. Covers a lot of ground, if you can get people past the optics.
Sgt. Rock they are great basses, but I wish they had a tone knob.
@@MarcoH72 Easy enough to rewire though
Amen. Love my 63 PBass. Still one of if not the best ever.
Wonderful advice :>) back in 1987 I bought the bass I always dreamed of growing up in the 60's a Rickenbacker 2003 all Maple and I loved it.However this last Spring I bought a 2018 American made Fender Precision 5 string bran new.I absolutely loved it ! Enough so to have Warmoth construct a 5 string lined fretless 3-A BirdsEye Maple neck.10 weeks later it arrived.Some fitting issues at first however no big deal.I have never played every day with any instrument in the 54 years of playing ! I have to force myself to play Guitar to keep up with it.I now understand why the millions of players use this bass.Thank you for everything ,Saw you on Scott's video ! I am going to try the double thumb work in the morning .Cheers :>)
Timeless great advice.
Funny thing: The Attitude bass was created as a copy of Billy Sheehan’s own vintage Precision Bass - as he had modified it over the years, to get the specific sounds he wanted.
For mellow and boomy tones, Billy uses the neck pickup. The P-Bass pickup doesn’t have a tone control, though, as he keeps it totally bright to go alongside the neck pickup sounds.
Love this ! The truth for anyone who’s done session work for bass 😄👍
Sheehan specifically uses the neck pickup on that bass in the studio to sound like McCartney.
As the owner of an Attitude LTD II, I find this bass to be wound hotter than a normal P bass but it was still designed after a P bass pick up in the same general position, want more vintage just use the woofer pick up, want even more thud .. put foam under the strings , want it even more "fundamental" put flats or tape wound strings on it, want a little more cut dial in the P pickup, want it more modern just use the p pick up and string with stainless steel strings...
Nothing better in the studio than a plain Fender Pbass 62 or reissue.
Producer: Hey man, on this tune let's do like, a McCartney thing...
Ian: Yeah, like Mark...Mark McCartney?
Producer: Get out...GET OUUUT right now!!
och70 EXACTLY 🤣
Ian is so funny. Love it!
The Yamaha literally has a P bass pickup and a mud-bucker. Literally a one stop shop for vintage tone. The bass is really is a lesson in
1: that people listen with their eyes and
2: Learning the greats and knowing how to reference/respect their work.
I was thinking this the whole time. It's basically a P bass! It's not even active! Oh but the pickup is slightly hotter.. well that's just ALL WRONG
I bet with flats and foam it would sound very close while also doing a few other more interesting tones
it's so true..but to me (and it s not an ego statment just how things played) vintage fender etc and vintage sounds always was number 1 for my ears and soul!! Ian is a very cool guy!!
Totally get you with that. My second bass I ever bought was a second hand 79 P Bass that in the 80's had a jazz pickup added for extra flexability through the sound range . (still use it for live and recordings) its the best investment iv ever done . 2014 I went into do a session recording with a young singer song writer called Mae Challis ( you will hear more of her next year ) I brought my all singing all dancing custom headless active 5 string thinking this will impress the others . Plugged it in and the sound engineer said " errr what the hell is that it sounds weird " I thought holly crap this hasn't gone off to a very good start . Did my bit then went home to digest . Got a call from him a few days later saying have you got a normal bass to bring to the next session .. Trusty Purple Fender P bass in case I turned up . His words as soon as I played were .. " ahh the P Bass ! that sounds F***ing amazing what a sound" Have owned many basses over the years but lesson learnt . Its the most awesome all round bass you will ever need and I never play anything other than this live or in the studio !
That full round sound defines a classic...
I had the same experience when I showed up to my first session with my 93 Fender Deluxe with Active Pickups and flatwound strings. The producer said, "Glad you have flatwounds, but we're still going to have you play the '68 P-bass we keep on hand for players without one."
Nice video. Very honest about your own learning process. Something to add: visual aspect of instruments can confuss us. You can change your sound drastically with string type and passive pot.
Belice me: I commented before the Precisión part of the video!
Wise words ... 😊
Yes it was one of the best bass, Yamaha Attitude next to the Rickenbacker and the Fender basses even Squier basses are cool too.
I get it and I know you are right, but actually I would love to hear that "modern rock thing" that you were doing all the time at the time 🤘
Ok dude, you're hilarious and awesome!
Love the Louis CK vibe man
Guy's got the exact same voice!
Totally!
Fuck yeah! I got a yamaha attitude bass in 1993 and it was the red one! It sounded and played beautifully!
hey - wheres the glove ?
🤣
lmao!
What kind of foam is that?
I had one exactly like that. First generation. Big, beefy neck, just a monster - made for the way Billy plays. It wasn't the bass for me, but what a monster.
This is a great point, that hooks up to a lot of other session players... So I play drums, and you got to have a birch kit , or maple gum USA custom drum set and a Ludwig supraphonic and maybe a craviotto snare, you will never ever be a fish outta water.
I always wondered if it’s the Fender sound that is just great or if it’s that sound engineers and producers are just stuck.
Same question. We should ask this to a producer or engineer of non-western music; someone who's been minimally influenced by western music. Don't know where we can find that person now...
Seems to me that whenever you see artists from anywhere else than Western Europe or North America the bassist plays anything but vintage instruments.
A P bass isn't always the right choice.
But a P bass is never the wrong choice.
@@Terrible_Peril Very good way of putting it
Bayley McNamee can’t take credit for the adage, but I’ve learned by experience that it’s true. I was always into active basses, bright tone. I’d play along with records, practice with friends. Then I played my first few gigs. “My tone” sounded terrible in the room. It didn’t gel with the band, it didn’t do the songs any justice. I still kept the active basses for quite a while, but when I’d play out, I started using the neck soapbar solo’d, I’d roll off the highs a bit, kept the rest of the EQD largely flat.
Then I got into jazz basses. Still bright, aggressive, very geddy or Chris squire. Then I finally got my hands on a p with flats. I wasn’t UNAWARE of the Motown sound, but it didn’t jive with me until I wrapped my hands around it.
Now my two main basses are a guild starfire 2 with chromes and a cheap 60’s P copy by Kent that I threw a GZR into and strung up with TI flats.
Basically, exactly what’s said in this video.
My friends have a production studio and I pride myself on being the guy to call if a bassist comes in and it just doesn’t sound quite right.
What I find funny is that the Attitude has the split coil pickup made exactly the same way as the one in your PBass so it really makes no difference.
You could’ve put flatwounds on the Attitude and it would’ve have sounded EXACTLY the same.
Also, the Yamaha has that pickup very close to the neck that can sound a lot like a Hofner or Gibson EB0, people are just dumb
@@BassMonstrum I absolutely agree with 100% of what you've said.
That yamaha bass is one of the most versatile basses money can buy, the only people who don't want those in the studio are either vintage gear snobs who think older always = better, or lazy sound engineers who don't want to bother EQ'ing a different bass... and I've always been a vintage fender lover too lol
Disagree. You con tell differences between instruments made by the same brand (fender example: a replica of a '60s jazz bass and an American ultra jazz bass sound completely different and are from the same brand) and you compared a vintage fender precision to an Attitude... It's not all about PU shape, their position on the bass or flatwound strings.
@@tomsao_7693 Ok n
Wow... great advice!
Not the best thing every time!
My one time in the studio I was told let's to a retake with out your Yamaha TRB 6 string. Bring the Fender Precision....
Different Tools for different Jobs.
Rancor Monster's growl is a low end inspiration.
Didn't know Louis C.K. knew so much about bass-recording sessons
(Great video man, I'm just kidding ;) )
Queatles and Been LOL beat me to it
Ian speaks about 2 Albums: N1 from The Beatles and the other? what is? i don’t be able to understand it finish with USA...
Hitsville USA: The Motown Singles Collection
Servant Seven many thanks!
Not N1, but "1". It's a compilation of The Beatles' #1 singles.
T thanks for your care! 😊
You can always add to the signal chain to make a classic P bass sound more aggressive and modern etc.... , but you can't do the opposite.
Minnesota!?!
Steve Wright in the afternoon!
How did you make it to 24 without having a Beatles phase?
I’m not cool
I love Febder basses and all...I get that engineers love them. But I've always wanted one of those...prolly just gonna build me a clone of..
Own 3 basses:
A nice P bass
Another "classic" studio choice (Ric, Jazz or Stingray)
Your fun baby/yet another ckassic aha(5 string, Active, Warwick, Fretless, EB, Thunderbird, ESP/Ibanez/Metal style basses, Spector, ect)
Bayley McNamee Another variation would be: a P-bass with flats, a P-bass with rounds, and a modern bass ;)
I kept wanting there to be a 3rd part of the story with some other well known name.
“Can you do a kind of Entwhistle thing?”
“Steve Entwhistle? Sure!”
“Err no…”
If I’m ever seeking studio work playing for others, I’ll bring a P bass and pluck with gentle rest strokes. I’ve always known that’s what *they* want.
If I want to be in a Rock band, I’ll bring my Rickenbacker, turn up the mids, highs, and the gain, and attack the strings with a Geddy clack. That’s playing for *me* and the rockers, money be damned.
Spot on!! I made the same mistake early in my playing. Buying the boutique basses with tons of knobs and switches. Took me a few years to realize that you really just need a P bass and a J bass and you're set for most stuff. Sound engineers know exactly what to do with those basses.
Oh...I forgot to mention....Pay attention to the other instruments in the band. You're playing BASS. Use a low pass filter or a shelving EQ to get all that clank, clack, string squeak, and harsh high end out of your tone. That competes with guitars, keys, etc. Lay down that low, and low mid thump and lock with the drummer to form a solid foundation for the rest of the band to stand on. You aren't Victor Wooten or Billy Sheehan. Victor told me once, "There are two bands that need a bass player like me...and I'm in both of them".
Which ones are the two albums Ian had to listen to??
1 - Beatles.....and the second one is...???
HITSVILLE USA: The Motown Singles Collection
Put some foam under the strings by the bridge.
Instant Motown.
Use the neck humbucker with the tone rolled off and you have the "British Invasion" sound.
It wasn't the bass that was the issue, it was your ignorance of the musical genres that was the problem.
mark mccartney... of course!
Hahahaha. Maybe someone should have learned how to get all those tones from his instrument before carrying his ego into a home studio. ;)
I played tons of sessions back in early 2000 at SCAD studios with my Blue Attitude and never was once asked to bring a different bass. I learned how to get the sounds from the bass to put down for the clients.
Ian, not fair of you to suggest that struggling studio musicians should plunk down $10k+ on a vintage P-Bass. There are plenty of modern P's that let you get something close to that sound (though not completely nailing it) for a lot less.
jenna jamerson
I hear her bass only had a g string and two d's.
@@jcout25 😂😂😂😂😂
The Fender Precision is the king of basses.
TOADWERX you've obviously never played a bass in your life. You betray yourself with that comment. Nothing you can ever say will convince me you know anything about the bass. And that... is my final word on the matter. Now... knock yourself out with your response.
Who says?
Slap bass Left the chat.
At first I thought Louis C. K. just learnt the bass.. you sound like him.
😂
Gotta hit the gym!
Its funny. Right after this video an Iphone commercial came on with music that had the exact kind of bass sound this guy was talking about. We see lots of videos on here with guys playing 7 string active boutique basses worth 10 grand and get lulled into thinking everyone successful plays those things. Perhaps if you are a solo bassist maybe, but for the most part its not practical for the average player.
Yeah cool be the same as everyone else right man? 😩
Sessions? Is this video from 1985? Imo Play the way YOU like on the instrument YOU like. That is the Paul McCartney and James Jamerson attitude.
Yup bring your p bass.
LMAO XD
They played those instruments because thats all there was in the 60's. You don't think if they had better tonal capabilities they would've used them? Plus alot of producers are stuck. But hey if that's what they are paying for I guess that's what you give them. In a couple years it will be "Can you sound like Bootsy Collins?"
PS: Jazz basses are better.
That story was a little underwhelming...
To you maybe.
It sounds like you changed your Attitude after that…😏
A good sound "engineer" should be capable of getting a good bass sound with any bass. This "Fender P Bass only" sound is just a ridiculous fixation.
Dude ... the Yamaha Attitude is a p-bass that can totally produce a vintage tone
A bass player who doesn't own a P-Bass is like a handyman who doesn't own a hammer.
Hey bass players, play your own bass and play it your own way. That's being a musician. Being a hired gun is totally lame in my opinion.
Andy Arnette Your advice is only half of what a musician should be about. Being a REAL musician is learning to be versatile and serving the music. Being a hired gun is useful if you want to grow and MATURE as a musician.
Too much bal bla...........more bass sourds !
What if you just...I dunno....adjust the EQ? I get the point you're trying to make but I feel like MOST basses can achieve the tone you're looking for. Sure if you're cranking up the WOOFER pickup on that Attitude using the dual input...may be tad too punchy. But I feel that you can get "vintage" tones. Hell, flat wound strings may have been your answer. Yes, know the classics. But you don't need to own a "classic" bass to get classic tone. All due respect...
That's not what he meant...he meant in a studio setting. The engineer will tell you to GTFO if they're looking for Jamerson motown sounds on a track and you show up with a 7 string schecter.
@@jcout25 or you can just....adjust the EQ and play the E,A,D,G
Why would anyone want a Jamerson tone? The man’s tone is pure ear aids 😂
That bass is sick. I get tired of seeing the same old wood "country" style basses. So boring
Hey, how about you play like YOU and not Paul and James whoever?? Why do you need to regurgitate The Beatles and Motown?? How about something new and fresh that's your own? That Attitude bass will absolutely sound great with those styles of music anyways. When I go into a studio and the producer wants me to play the "house" bass, I say; "who's the bass player??" If that means I don't get the gig, at least I can leave the studio with my dignity in tact.
Andy Arnette It seems like you still have a long way to go in your journey as a bass player. The mark of a mature musician is someone who listens, who is versatile, and most importantly, someone who is humble.
That’s great if you’re paying for the session. If someone is paying and wants a vibe - you can a) do the thing. b) play your own vibe and persuade everyone they want what you’re doing.
One of these gets you unemployed…