The ATF Battle & Cult of Waco…
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2022
- The Waco Siege was one of the most controversial law enforcement events in American History. The Siege began in early 1993, when a government raid on a compound in Waco, Texas, led to a 51-day standoff between federal agents and members of a millennial Christian sect called the Branch Davidians. The siege ended dramatically on April 19, 1993.
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On every video I think in the last couple months I've asked for you to do the Bell Tower sniper. This isn't a guilt trip. This is just a continuation of the former.
Also, you're intro is fire. I'm only a couple minutes in and I'm already stoked for the rest of the video.
I got a good one The SLA shoot out of 1974 in Los Angeles. The one that involved Patty Hearst that one has a really deep story
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Please do a video on the Battle of Athens (1946). Fed up WW2 vets taking back their town from corrupt local law enforcement and politicians who rig elections and intimidate the citizenry. An epic story that would surely go viral.
He should do the Wilmington Insurrection, the only successful coup in US history where armed white supremacists overthrew the reconstruction government
Great suggestion!
Count dankula already did it.
We need a movie about it tbh
I had no idea about this. It would be great!
I'm a retired cop, and I remember learning in the academy; when you have them contained, time is on your side. There was absolutely no excuse for any of this and to learn the ATF foiled their own raid just to insure media coverage makes it that much worse. I'm offended everytime I see an ATF 'special' agent wearing a vest that says "POLICE".
‘Special’ agent
I had a community college class with the guy who ran the municipal police academy for the state.
One thing he was fond of saying, was, "your most effective weapon isn't on your belt. It's between your ears." And he wasn't wrong.
Didn't police wait too long during the Columnbine school attacks? Time is only a tool if you know their motivations. Which isn't always possible. Every decision is easy with hindsight.
@@sharingiscaring1952 If you want a wall of text, you're gonna get it. I went to school for Law enforcement.
So back in the Columbine era, the doctrine was, "cordon off the site, establish a perimeter, wait for SWAT." Obviously, that doesn't do anyone much good when SWAT is 90 minutes out, and there are still badguys doing badguy things inside.
So the doctrine shifted to forming ad-hoc teams and going in immediately. 2-4 man teams clearing rooms. Problem is, you need to spend the money to train them how to do that. No money, no training. It's completely unreasonable to throw a patrol rifle at a regular police officer, and expect them perform like a Delta Force operator without the training to match. Maybe you're lucky, and they train on their own time, on their own dime. Most I've seen do their annual qualifications and that's basically it.
I was a badguy team lead in commercial nuclear training exercises for 5 years. You've got, at most, 5-8 minutes. Either the badguys are all dead, or they accomplished their objectives.
As the good guy, bomb or no bomb, we go. The clock is ticking.
You know, in spite of being koresh’s son and having special insight into so many stories that aren’t told, I have to see the same dichotomies play out in which the complexity of the matter is ignored but one aspect that cannot be explained away is why law enforcement in this matter isn’t held to account when it is them that are given privileges on behalf of everyone’s safety. My father was shot unarmed at the door in the initial moments and their agents have been caught in lie after lie or moonlighting as sophists. The day in court we actually deserve hasn’t been given, however I still feel deep empathy for anyone who was executing the orders of incompetence after a years long botched investigation wherein this agency was motivated by actions that ensured their failure… my siblings were gassed to death without hope of escape and agents that imagine that continuous volume of gas wasn’t lethal are fools, especially when collapsing the building on top of them. And blocking the escape hatch, and collapsing the roof of the bunker on top of them. They destroyed a crime scene thereafter and it was all strategic.
When this happened, my dad was in the uscg stationed at the headquarters in DC. I always remember what he said about this incident. "I was on watch in the coms room when I saw the news and the raid was live. I thought it was some low budget movie at first then realized it was real. The ATF should have arrested him in town. Instead they had their taticool equipment and thought they were operators and got their nuts handed to them." Dad pretty much sumed up the raid there.
Evil was there
It wasn’t an arrest warrant, it was a search warrant. They weren’t interested in David, they wanted to secure the property to search for contraband which would serve as evidence to get an arrest warrant for David.
@@nealamesbury1480 Yeah. The ATF.
Nate your comment is spot on. Those ATF tough guy wannabes wanted to act badass in all their tactical gear and got their butt’s kicked.
Did the ATF have enough to charge him without any evidence from the compound?
The part that burns my ass more than anything are the photos of FBI guys posing like big game hunters over smoldering human remains. That was inexcusable.
Feds are not human
Disgusting
It's not an excusable for federal agents federal employees that is standard operating procedure for these yellow c**********
@Steven 1773 If I started taking selfies with the guy I just dropped in a lawful self defense shooting, that's a problem.
The more a person dives into Waco, the worse it gets. Those kids did not take cyanide, they were killed from ingesting massive amounts of tear gas, that contorted their bodies in a grotesque manner.
The interview with the lead negotiator (who wrote a book on it and iirc has a netflix special about himself) is pretty damning. The ATF/FBI learned absolutely fucking nothing from ruby ridge and were either criminally incompetent or trying to find a way to justify killing as many of them as possible. Both are equally fucked right after ruby ridge.
The lead negotiator lied too, to make himself appear less guilty, it was much worse than the Netflix Special depicts. Try "Waco: The Rules of engagement" instead. Everyone on the Government side lied, & tried to cover their own behinds afterward. The one thing that was accurate is that he did say Koresh would surrender if his mother were allowed to speak with him. It was his only saving grace.
We all know it’s the latter option. F*** the ATF, FBI and all of the other alphabet bois.
That’s horridly sad. The mother part. It seems like he just wanted to speak with the one person who he felt had his back- the one rock in his world of fucking up. It’s actually wild how many people call for their mothers when they are at their end/when they are not doing well. They just want to have some sort of “let up” of the stress, they want to come up for one last breath of air in the middle of all of the bad feelings. I feel terrible for those among us who never had a relationship with their mother. Or who had a tumultuous and awful relationship with their mother.
Mothers can be a completely special kind of magic. One that melts you to your core. They’re the person who is in your corner no matter what. ‘Til the bitter end. She will hold your hand and be with you, picking you back up- fighting your battles with you every step of the way. She will forgive you. She will die fighting things that she has no chance of winning against because you are her child and she is hard-wired to love and protect you even if it means dying for YOU. She was at one point just another girl, just like all of the other girls you see on a college campus, living their lives. But then she had you and all of that went away.. and many mothers don't miss any of it, they would do it a million times over, even if you think you're a loser who doesn't deserve anything let alone a woman's unconditional and undying love and support... she sees you in a different light. She always sees the best in you.
I hope that Koresh was wanting to speak with her because of this and because he wanted her to make him feel better in some small way and not because he harbored any hate toward her and wanted to tell her off one last time before the end (going to prison for the rest of his days/dying in the standoff).
His acting and demeanor on that interview = "I'm Rambo and I can do it!"
@@C4RL1NN it wasn't Koresh that requested to speak to his Mother. The negotiator created a profile of Koresh speaking with him for over a month, & believed that having his Mother speak to him would get him to come out. The negotiator had already gone to her home, & convinced her to do it. He had already done all of the work to make it happen, but the FBI wouldn't let it happen, & sent the negotiator home.
Fun fact: David Koresh was willing to let agents into the ranch to search it peacefully before the raid. The ATF declined...
They knew that th "infiltrated" cop was a cop, lol.
That sounds like bullshit. Provide a source
@@sigsauer_firearms Never know bro feds are up to all sorts of bullshit
@@sigsauer_firearms "An angry federal undercover agent testified Monday that he desperately tried to stop the 1993 Waco raid just before it began, warning his boss that the Branch Davidians "know-they know we're coming!"
When he realized that his supervisors had ignored him, "I sat down and I remember starting to cry," said agent Robert Rodriguez of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms." -Chicago Tribune.
This is the claim of Robert Rodriguez, the undercover ATF agent sent to the compound. There are multiple sources and news articles about this.
(Edit) For the claims that David allegedly allowed a search but the ATF refused.
Marc Smith, "Agent allegedly refused Koresh's offer," Houston Chronicle, September 11, 1993; "Gun Dealer Alerted Koresh to ATF Probe, Lawyer Says," Houston Post, Associated Press, September 11, 1993
Henry McMahon, Testimony, 1995 Congressional Hearings on Waco, part 1, pp. 162-63. Stuart H. Wright, Editor of Armageddon at Waco, and Robert Sanders, former ATF Deputy Director, also remarked on the ATF refusal of Koresh's offer in testimony.
Admittedly ripped off of Wikipedia but those are legitimate sources.
@@sigsauer_firearms get off the internet fedboi. It is not a good place for you
"And regardless of the psychologies or theologies on either side, both sides put their quarter in the jukebox," is such a raw line. Thank you.
"A history lesson will teach you, that you can't play God without creating Hell." Sheeeshhh.
@@Alex-cv2gi Yet the government wants to create "God"/Utopia...
i said the same thing
You don't mention that the local sheriff investigated all the claims and found they they possessed hellfire triggers which were legal at the time and they had paid for the permits they needed for all their firearms. The sheriff also showed up to the siege to protest what the government was doing and they forced him off the property and never let him back in.
atf is an isreali funded communist terror group
They had grenades and other high fire weapons. What does a church need high fire power guns for. Also he manipulated his followers to fight. Even children. He was there to fight back. Also the ATF should've done it more professionally. Immediately after hearing gun fire they should've held back. Their egos got the better of them. Overall awful experience. 10/10 would try again
"why do they need", none of your business why anyone needs grenades. if you dont like it, then keep your mouth shut@@mcchicken5039
It was a cult abusing the brainwashed members and you think it’s ok because “government bad”
@mcchicken5039 Yes the infamous grenade high fire power gun
David Koresh was walking around Waco, going to Wal-Mart, etc. before the ATF decided to arrest him at the compound. There is no reason why the ATF couldn't just arrest him when he was out of the compound. There did not have to be a standoff.
The sheriff knew him personally and he was in town everyday. The sheriff could’ve presented the warrant to him and none of this would’ve happened.
Arresting him quietly makes more sense if the goal is simply to serve the warrant lawfully and safely. If the goal is a dangerous publicity stunt, and there's no concern about putting anyone (even law enforcement personnel and children) in extreme danger; then sure, attempt a complicated dynamic entry on numerous heavily armed individuals ready for the end of the world.
@Emmanuel Goldstein The FBI wasn't called in until after the ATF fucked up siege. This all happened as a publicity stunt by the ATF. That's why there were so many cameras on the ground during the first raid. The ATF wanted all the b roll they could get.
The ATF is a joke and still is. 😂 🤣
And they used a warrant that was obtained on erroneous grounds. Imagine that
Anyone that defends the ATF's actions on this debacle needs mental help! No matter what things the Branch Davidians did, this was NOT the proper response.
It made the Davidian's stockpiling justified at that point
ok kinda chill bro
Sheep: The government would NEVER lie to us! They would never kill us all without mercy!
J. Settle this is the sad part of our society which probably exist to this era in the 2020’s that excessive force is always the best solution for any law enforcement why do you think there’s to many people including minorities who have a mistrust on authority figures cause most of them join the force with a cowboy mentality.
as stated in the video both sides are too blame, it takes two to tango
I understand Koresh may (probably) was doing some sketchy stuff but the government reaction was ridiculous…they did a great job of making the situation worse.
Government almost always makes everything worse
Bruh he was having sex with underage girls as young as 10 and stockpiling fully automatic weapons and homemade hand grenades.
honestly if they used cruise missile and made up a lie about boiler explosion "or a plane crashing" it would have less negative effects
atf is an isreali funded communist terror group. anyone that tells you otherwise is a paid accomplice
Oh, he and his cult were definitely messed up. Messed up, but not violent. There was absolutely no justification for the response they got and the atrocities they suffered.
the "drop in auto sears" were actually a bump fire attachment called a hellfire trigger which the atf one day decided could be auto sears. later they decided they didnt meet the definition of machine gun.
For now...
Dated July 15, 2022
castro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congressman-castro-leads-call-for-atf-to-prohibit-sales-of-hellfire-trigger-devices
Just ATF things. Absolute clowns.
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No remorse whatsoever by the coward tyrants. The good thing that resulted from ATF overreach is the proliferation of privately-owned firearms In this country.
now they are doing the same thing with rare breed triggers
such a strong quote. here’s one more, “A true warrior fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him” -G.K. Chesterton
Mostly it’s both, since the thing in front threatens the thing behind you
@@tinycockjock1967 USS Liberty.
The Germanic tribes had their women slaughter them if retreating in battle from the Romans
@@travesty100 the Germanic tribes were nothing but lowlives
Chesterton is awesome
This took place about a year after Ruby Ridge, the ATF learned nothing from RR. I remember watching both "raids" on TV when I was a teenager
The BDs could've wiped out the ATF but they gave them a cease fire and let them regroup, I wish they went different way that day. A lot less women and children would've died.
@@teammo959they could've also bought themselves time to evacuate the compound and fled the country.
The same sniper from Ruby Ridge was also apart of this, I've heard that's he's in hiding deep in protective custody
Why is the ATF so inept in every thing they do? Do they ever get a mission right? Do they ever do anything with alcohol and tobacco? Why do they seem so redundant? These are the questions that keep me up at night.
A couple of things:
1)the branch davidian compound wasn't even in Waco, it's actually six miles east of Waco city limits.
2) There were so many reporters camped out along side the road they went so far as to call themselves reporter city (or something to that affect) and eaven appointed a mayor.
True it's in Elk not Waco, the media wanted to portray it as wacko from Waco
@@thespatulaa just the media doing media things
I guess having the facts skewed is okay if it results in clicks and views...
Thank you
The media also openly mocked the Davidians when they plead for help. You can find the video online
@@sanders194539 They plead for help during the siege?
I like that line: "you can't play God without creating hell". Good shit dude!
Yeah, this episode was definitely worth the wait. Smash that 👍
Shit was heavy
thats cold
Yeah that was cold 🥶
That was deep
One of the most childish comments I’ve heard on such matters. I assume this video isn’t taking itself too seriously (?).
Hopefully this tragedy is studied on what not to do. My condolences to the families who lost loved ones in this horror. Thank you for showing us this story.
The Feds didn't learn from ruby ridge, and they didn't learn from Waco or any of their other crimes of mas murder. Murdering Americans is what law enforcement does best, especially the feds.
The government uses it as a study of what to do; they did that intentionally
Not really. ATF is still around and the FBI still does whatever it wants to whoever it wants with zero repercussions
I don't know. Those branch dividians castrated themselves and made their wives sleep with their messiah because only one man can go forth and multiply.
Not 1 fully auto weapon was found in the complex. I watched the senate hearing it was disgusting.
The package contained dummy grenades and gunpowder witch they used to load their own ammo also David invited the ATF to search the compound and the "secret" agent was found out the same day because they had such a bad cover.
Also the first shots were the ATF killing a doggo ):
You were there?
@@Angel-zk5gi This is pretty well known info that was in the reports
@@Angel-zk5gi Weren't you? It's the only way to know things as far as I can tell.
It’s one thing to defend the second amendment…
It’s something else entirely to defend a psychotic, wannabe rockstar virgin, turned lunatic cuck/p3do/Cult-Leader, using Christianity to brainwash vulnerable individuals and their children into conducting a white J!had on American soil.
He had to be stopped, one way or another, and deserved to be buried underneath the prison. His victims deserved to be let go instead of preached to, shamed, and used to fulfill his self-interests.
If you support this fvcking loser, just because you love guns and hate the ATF, you’re no better than he was.
Moreover, making this horrific loss of life about the Second Amendment should make you feel like a total, clueless piece of shit, because if you’re capable of missing the bull’s-eye by that much, you don’t deserve a firearm, nor a voice.
@@Angel-zk5gi Fed spotted. Gtfo. Shouldn’t you be destroying documents related to Epstein’s island and the little black book?
Man the FBI and ATF totally screwed this one up. It almost seems intentional. As if they wanted it to be a battle.
They're slightly more creative now, but just as obvious. Doesn't matter if it is Fast and Furious, fake kidnapping a Governor, or playing provocateur, their motivations are the same.
they did. there are multiple accounts of ATF and FBI agents that were excited about the prospect of a shootout.alot of them seemed like they wanted a "taste of warfare" even though they ended up killing innocent women men and children which i guess is some aspect of war
@@notdreadyet33 He's not coming back.
The FBI director Jeff Jamar, was and still is actually an extremely competent and good guy.
I am not a fan of the current FBI however.
You hear that feddies?! I ain’t no fan oh yers! Heeewwwwew!
This and Ruby ridge was what inspired Timothy McVeigh. FBI/ATF was heavy handed during the 90s
"you can't play god, without creating hell" is such an unnecessarily good line, excellent minidoc too!
I'm in tears. I was a child myself when this happened and I remember it well. Now I have my own children. This video honored those poor kids with no choice. Bravo! 😢
For a deep dive check out "Waco: The Rules of Engagement". Both sides screwed up but one side has a $12 billion dollar budget and a way higher kill count.
Dude. That documentary absolutely destroyed my trust in our government. The shooting of women and children attempting to flee the buildings as they burned. There isn't a hole deep enough for those involved
That is a VERY biased documentary that I wouldn’t trust too heavily. The producers of ROE literally made their own version (which also kinda sucked) because of how heavily they disagreed with the original release
Wacoe ROE investigator McNulty was praised by Texas DPS as a credible investigator. The documentary exposed the lies pushed via propaganda.
There's also documentaries from the perspective of survivors, and it tells how the Waco families gave their children to the government, asking to maintain the standards they were raising the kids by (no sugary candy, no TV), and the government sent back videos of the kids being given candy in front of TVs.
Is it any wonder there were still children in there when the government was so disrespectful to the parents?
The ATF: THEY HAVE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS KILL THEM!!!
Also the ATF: SHOOT THEM WITH OUR AUTOMATIC WEAPONS!!
it's sad how much the ATF escalated everything..
@Emmanuel Goldstein Deescalate?
please do better research. you obviously have no clue what happened and how it happened.
@@spenyspen18 If you walk away with any impression other than the ATF and FBI need to be eliminated immediately than you either havent done your research or are the embodiment of a bootlicker.
Not much could be done to be fair, they got attacked before they even properly started their raid.
@Emmanuel Goldstein big noses bean
The "regardless of theology, or ideology, both sides put their quarters in the jukebox, and got ready to dance" line, gives me chills everytime
Remember the government’s actions on this day when ever they say they will protect you and that you don’t need to arm yourself
You forgot to include the part where the FBI refused to allow fire trucks and ambulances to get through to the house until it was far too late!
Gee, i wonder why people trying to minimize the amount of people dying would not let innocent people come close to a compound filled with maniacs that shoot at anyone that comes close and that set themselves on fire...
this dude leaves a lot out. he left out all the eyewitness testimony rom naval veterans in the u.s.s. liberty video too. a paid disinformation agent, targeting veterans, because theyre the biggest threat to the corruption that pays him
Well, to be fair, ambulances would never go to what is considered a "hotspot". An area where a possible fire fight can ensue. Doesnt matter who is down, they wont go until it is safe for them
"scene safe BSI" it's the first thing we are taught in EMT school. We're even taught to full blown abandon a patient and all gear if the scene becomes unsafe. I sure as heck ain't going somewhere where there is a fire going or armed individuals. @@eliargumedo4728
@@eliargumedo4728True, I'll give you that. I've worked both Fire and EMS and that's true.
But with that said, why were the FIREMEN blocked? That doesn't make much sense to me. If I had been on one the fire departments on-scene, I would have been questioning the FBI as to why we're not allowed near the building.
What are they protecting the firemen from? Fire? Yeah, that's kind of an accepted job hazard. Now move so the fire engines can get there and secure the scene for the EMS.
They WANTED that place to burn and those people to die. You can't come to any conclusion besides that from that information.
So they had an FFL and were lawfully selling firearms, and on hearsay and rumor the ATF launched a lethal attack on them instead of just calling them up and asking for them to verify their current FFL, and if they had auto sears they could have just changed them an additional Tax as per the ATF website:
"You must also find a licensed firearms dealer that is allowed to possess these items and designate them to take control of them when you die. You will still need your passport photo and pay the $200 tax stamp as well. The process for buying a pre-ban machine gun is simply filling out the ATF Form 4 along with the steps described above.
There are other ways of also owning a machine gun, but these involve either special licenses or becoming a Class III firearms dealer or Class II manufacturer. The simplest approach, albeit the most expensive, is to just fill out Form 4 and go the NFA item route.
ATF wanted a fight and they got one.
You're missing the point by like, 2-3 planets, hell, a whole galaxy, the religious brain washed at the waco church of whatever it was were planning this whole thing, they wanted to kill LEO and other people, they built bunkers, they had guns at defensive positions, ATF heard about this from a former religious-brainwashed member of the church of poop and they wanted to go there and investigate the allegations, the brainwashed retards started shooting so they earned the death penalty, i say they all deserved what they got.
Yup, they also had someone undercover. The davidians knew and approached the undercover and offered to let them search. They declined and kept planning the raid. When they managed to get out the few kids and women the reports were so damning they had to torch the rest of the people inside to hide evidence of misconduct and apply blame elsewhere.
and we're just covering basics here of course. We wont mention the days of psycological warfare the atf put the kids thru that was covered up BEFORE they were torched
You are absolutely right It was in Mt. Carmel Waco is just the closest city.
Remember that time when the guy they nominated to lead the ATF was the SAME GUY that took a f***ing photo op on the ashes of dead kids at Waco?
You forget it was all legal, he had the licenses
Unintended Consequences by John Ross is a must-read if you want to know more about the ATF's many blunders. It uses the events as part of the fictional plot but it's very well researched.
recently i've seen a few articles pop up which said something along the lines of "why conservatives hate the FBI and why it's bad" only thing i could think was "wait till they hear what the conservatives think of the ATF" lmao
Instead of blasting that psyop noise, they should have blasted Koresh's own music....I bet those people would have immediately caved and surrendered, only yelling as they are running out, tripping over dirtballs, "please turn that shit off....PLEASE?'
Unintended consequences by John Ross is golden. And cost just as much. I looked on Amazon it’s $525.
@@arcadymorel7565 it's basically a gang with government authority, what could go wrong?
I just finished the book. It was amazing
"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty."
Damn right
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@@SevenHunnid stay strapped or get clapped vato
@Goldstein is Big Brother 🎯
Oooh…love the phrase ‘both sides put their quarters in the jukebox’. Brilliant.
Bad things happen when the ATF pretends like they know what they are doing.
Koresh could have been apprehended while on his morning run but no,.... the ATF had to assert it's authority through force of arms.
I'm not defending the actions of Koresh, just pointing out the heavy handed tactics of authorities and bureaucratic bullies.
They'll do it again, too. It's just a matter of time.
I'm just wondering what would happen if David would have surrendered? I'm just curious about that.
@@markadams5823 Well, when he walked out with his hands up and they shot him in the stomach and hand....I really think he was trying to diffuse the situation, but the ATF was fulfilling the cult's prophecy. I don't think there was any turning back after that. They FBI should have been involved from the jump if it was about child abuse. They should have grabbed him when he was outside the compound. In my opinion, the first failure was the first trial where he was let off the hook for shooting at the compound's owner. That wouldn't happen today.
@@tacticalmattfoley well listening to the commentary as I was not there we don't know who shot first and who was giving out the orders. I know there was multiple news organizations there and I do remember him saying he would give himself up after he read his scriptures. Also someone in the compound did pour some kind of fluid somewhere prior to the fire. I am thinking though maybe him walking out possibly sacrifice in his life would have saved the rest of people in the compound. I mean if you believe he is Jesus then he really has nothing to fear.
@@markadams5823 Watching the video, it's clear that the ATF shot first. I don't believe he's Jesus...that's nuts. We know chemically CS gas is flammable.
Having researched this numerous times personally I place most of the blame on the ATF. It's my opinion that they murdered those folks. There's FLIR video of agents machine gunning people trying to escape during the fire. They poked holes in that building to allow fresh airflow to facilitate a quick fire. This event is what likely lead to the OKC bombing as the main actor, Timothy McVeigh was there selling bumper stickers.
This is a deep and interesting hole to dive down, theres a lot more to it than this short but very well done video shows.
The flir footage is irrefutable. They murdered all of those people.
OKC glowed like a Christmas tree
Anyone who has the slightest bit of respect for any FBI agent is a fool of the highest order.
Saw that video years ago…seems like it disappeared
If you think this was the match, go back a little further and look at Randy Weaver and how the FBI murdered an innocent woman, child and dog under contract for the ATF.
“ You can’t play god without creating hell “
Wise words brother 💯
I remember the day this went down. I actually knew people on both sides of the issue, that is law enforcement and people that lived at the compound here in Waco Texas. They were definitely some out there Jesus freaks, nobody doubts that. An acquaintance who worked with the Texas DPS told me the investigation stemmed from a UPS driver dropping a box and out rolled several inert Handgrenades. The Branch Davidians had no less than three licensed FFL “that’s federal firearms license“ that would hot glue those inert training grenades to a piece of stained wood and place a brass plate that read “complaint department take a number.” They the Affixed to the pin to the inert training grenade would be a plastic plate with a number one engraved on it. One or two ATF agents infiltrated the Branch Davidians and cohabitated with them for a time. The ATF needed a high profile raid to increase their budget and appease their new boss Lloyd Bentsen their new treasury secretary. The rest is history...
This is what they don't tell you. They broke ZERO laws when it came to the ATF. It was a publicity stunt to boost the relevance of the ATF and it backfired spectacularly when they found out Americans won't always just roll over and let you FU** them.
So they made a concerted effort to paint them as dangerous cultists. Like you said they were fringe and weird in their beliefs buy had never hurt anyone. It's not illegal to believe crazy stuff
Those last two sentences! ☝🏼
Yep. All they had to do was arrest David when they saw him days earlier in town and this whole thing could have been avoided. Machine guns aren't even illegal, so long as you pay the crown thier cut you can own whatever you like. So they killed those kids over taxes basically. They (the Feds) still hold the Guinness book of records for the amount of kids killed in Waco, even after the school shooter. Notice how they never say whether they even ever found the supposed illegal guns afterwards. Make no mistake, they planned to have a big showdown. It all could have been avoided
*Lloyd Bentsen, not to be confused with Lloyd Christmas (I made that mistake, myself)
Thanks for the insight!
They were so scared of him they refused to arrest him while he went on his daily morning jog…
That's the part that cannot be justified in light of how the ATF initially assaulted the compound. For the ATF, it would seem, everything looks like a nail.
Bless the day the ATF gets disbanded.
"You cannot play God without creating Hell"
What a quote
And yet people trust the government, which tries to play god all the time...
I can tell that the Far Cry 5 developers took a ton of inspiration from this group. Joseph Seed himself looks very similar to David Koresh.
I always thought that.
Also the fact that Montana has a few cults that openly reside in the state
@C B not talking about militias those are different. If you seriously think there aren't cults in Montana then you would be wrong. I've lived here my whole life Id like to think I know alot of what happens in my state.
@@jimayjones1945 Is Montana a somewhat more "independent" state in the US? I heard somewhere that it's different than the other states, and rumors of cults, since you live there I guess it's confirmed.
@@BedroomBully684 Yes, my dad lived in Superior, MT for some time and there was an entire mountain fenced off and it was known that an extremist group stayed there. There were thermal cameras all around where the mountain met the main road and wouldn't be surprised if more surrounded the property line. The area was huge and could probably fit a whole community. Sadly I can't remember the name they had. This was like 4 years ago
Dude you are killing it with these mini docs. Absolutely love them! 🤘
It appears the ATF can’t do anything right.
Not true! They help stop annoying dogs barking.
Its never a mistake to the
ATF.
@@andreassimas1731 they murdered upwards of 80 people
they can shoot your dog and kill you if you don't give up your legal weapons
Not true, killing children, dogs(or any pets really), hiding their war crimes, and spreading BS propaganda that still convinces people the Davidians were the bad guys to this day is what their good at
The doc Waco: The Rules of Engagement lays the events and the hearings that followed out very well.
The most tragic thing in that doc was that it showed footage from FLIR optics on LE helicopters which showed agents executing (muzzle flare) Davidians that were trying to escape from the fire.
I love these videos man, so well researched, great soundtrack, great articulation and pronunciation. Really high production quality, keep it up man, I’ll be back for more
I feel like it should be out there that they invited the atf in at any time for a month prior and allowed the undercover (korresh knew) to stay in the compound. The ATF hit so they could prove their worth after ruby ridge (and failed spectacularly)
Even worse they decided to burn a bunch of tax dollars to set up an over the top uc operation
Source? I'm curious to read on that
@@FouadJib I think the best aggregation is through Scott Horton who has podcasts / interviews on the Scott Horton show
@@FouadJib wendigoon. I don’t know his source but he has always been reliable in the past with the things I check
I was teenager when this happened. When the dead were counted and collected, and read 27 children died... 27 children who could not flee and leave, regardless if Koresh or ATF killed them, I just thought of my young cousins, replacing their faces on the dead kids... I just lost it. Dying by smoke inhalation and burnt alive. The coughing, the heat, being trapped and crying. Looking to their parents to help and save them.... It bothers me to this day .
I'm still pro USA. Don't get me wrong. But my God that was such a major painful fucked up lesson Americans received. Janet Reno and David Koresh can burn in hell together. Nobody was in the right
Oh no, it was much worse than that, the aerosolized CS Gas was so potent it caused convulsions powerful enough to break most of the children's necks. It wasn't smoke inhalation that killed most of them. It wasn't Koresh or the Branch Davidians, the Government murdered them in their home & church. Over charges they already knew were false.
Feds aren't Americans, haven't been since JFK
They were basically gassed because of the kind of tear gas they used.
Exactly. David Koresh was definitely a nut job, but Janet Reno and her minions were just as incompetent as Koresh was crazy.
What do you think about the feds investigating and raiding trump since 2016 til now
as a very devoted christian, im ashamed of this terrible event.
These aren’t real christians.
As for the ATF, they’re no better.
I decided not to watch this when it came out just because of how many Waco documentaries I had already watched but now that I have watched this one I am blown away to how well edited and thought out this video was
I was 13 when I read about Waco and Ruby Ridge. It cemented my distrust of government. I'm 33 and have yet to see anything that disproves that assessment.
And the list of reasons to distrust the government has many more than just Waco/Ruby Ridge.
The Viper Militia, The Tuskegee Experiment, alcohol poisoning during prohibition (which killed/sickened thousands), MK Ultra, and so much more.
@@hariman7727 No argument here
The Bundy Ranch standoff in 2014 only made it worse for me.
They literally stole their cattle under threat of violence and the government got away with it.
The "grenade hulls" were disabled and were just a shell, they would sell them at gun shows with a note on the pin saying "complaint department"
I remember those at gun shows. Paper weights really. But if they want a reason they will find it.
ATF is not Law Enforcement! They're an off chute of the IRS. In other words, Tax Collectors!
I just found your channel and have been addicted ! I think its been like 2-3hrs of watching gotta watch em all !
Walter Jacobsen, a Chicago investigative reporter, played a tape of an unknown man jumping out of the burning compound, running away from the camp and the Federal authorities. He vowed to learn the identity of this man and reveal it in a second report. It never happened.
They were all acquitted again.
@@two-bit8502 the subject of my comment has never been identified.
There is a Seventh Day Adventist facility near where I live. I've meet some of them, felt they were misguided, but sincere in their beliefs. The ones in Waco didn't deserve what the ATF/FBI did to them. And the tactics the FBI used were totally ill-advised. Koresh went jogging by himself daily. Wouldn't it have made more sense to arrest him when by himself, then serve the search warrant to who ever was left in charge. There were a number of other mistakes made by the FBI, but I don't have time to detail them all, but there's been a number of books written on the subject.
That's always been my main point- Koresh could have been easily arrested while out jogging. He jogged with one other person and sometimes solo. Easy pickings done that way and they all knew it, but wanted to look like heroes defending God and America against those evil religious cults. Every religion is a cult if you want to see it that way, so beware on who's next.
law enforcement is so undertrained its scary, I personally know people high up in law enforcement. Grew up with the chief of police we hang out and been going fishing since we were 13. So we talk he told me they are not trained that good and that's all police he said after the Academy that's it so after a few yrs that training gets rusty. On his force there's an ex-marine with 4 combat deployments he said you can see the difference in training. Thats why so many people get shot by cops pulling out a phone or something they don't train in high stress situations all the time. So, when something serious happens they don't really know what to do look what happened at that school shooting in Texas I mean that was horrible. They are allowed to basically just get fat to like no mandatory workouts or anything so if they do have to maybe fight someone, they'll shoot 1st. They should all at least have to stay in shape I could speed walk and get away from a lot of these guys
@@P_RO_ Complete false equivalency on the end there, and you guys are ommiting Koresh's crimes. He had a history of violence and sexual deviancy a mile long.
Stop acting like they were some quirky group of misguided believers. They were an oppressive cult that actively abused dozens of children and gave underage girls as concubines to their megalomaniac despot.
I don't the defend the siege. It was a disgrace from the US government. But I hate how people use it to whitewash the reality behind that sect.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 I haven't overlooked that- in fact I do think children were being abused there too- but that doesn't justify the response, which you seem to be overlooking as that is what is being discussed here. And if they believed Koresh was holding people against their will, why would they intentionally planto capture him and the others away from the compound so that the captives might have the best chance of escape? No right-thinking person would have done as they did if their goals were to save innocent lives while arresting Koresh etal. Much better to catch him jogging, or at least to let the local LE serve the warrant as they'd asked to because they knew the situation best and had the best chance at a less-violent resolution. They wanted a "hero" show but got a "horror" show instead.
Adventists and koresh do not hold any of the same beliefs.
Such a quality video, thank you for taking the time to produce this video for us! Keep up the great content sir.
Another great video. While it is impossible to get all of the facts & context into a 22 min video, you hit the premise on the head, and delivered again. You have a new fan. Subbed & hit the bell.
I remember seeing this mans content months ago and the content he puts out is informative and interesting to watch, love your content man, keep up your great work as always.
The main cult of today is the Branch Covidians.
He does consistently put out great videos. Also great pfp, a true man of culture.
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@@Cgrazi what a weird but cool coincidence. I just finished watching synonymous's new lore video on the enclave and now I run into two enclave fans. sure, almost every gamer loves fallout but I feel like the enclave specifically is underappreciated
@@awildpiizaroll they are truly America’s best hope for rebuilding the wasteland
While I do miss the comedy from your previous videos, I think this is a really great step forward for your channel. Consistent, high-quality uploads like this are going to bring your channel to it's fullest potential!
Biased bullshit is a great step backwards. 🤷♂️
@@interstellarsurfer ?
@@interstellarsurfer facts are biased?
What did you want him to throw a couple zingers in during this video?
@@interstellarsurfer Rather odd that a neutral stance is considered biased.
I am in awe of your cinematics, your commentary is spot the F on!!! Yoooo, I think I’m a fan!!! And the graphics!!!! 🤯🤯🤯
Maaaan your mini documentary vids are 🔥 keep up the great work popo 👑👍
I really wish you would've mention the undercover atf agent "miss-speaking" in his affidavit about certain aspects of the firearms he allegedly "observed" while undercover
He uploaded a different video first this video is making them seem like criminals they must’ve took down his other….. sad to see him sell out so soon
@Nolej idk if I'd call it selling out but, definitely misrepresentation of the facts
@@lilbagman9947 he knows what he’s doing they’ve already told him to stop and he listened
@@O5FS oh
It is widely known (especially to Timothy McVeigh) that tear gas is flammable and so to a lot of the public (including Timothy McVeigh) this was a blatant assault on a community of people who just wanted to be left alone. Regardless of what you believe this should not have happened.
Edit: I didn’t realize you guys are so divided on this… one thing you have to take into consideration is America is a huge country and what might seem crazy to you is someone’s everyday life. The cult had a right to freedom of religion and if you haven’t read it, the constitution doesn’t say “only a few arms” it says “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“ regardless of how you feel, you don’t get to decide how people exercise their rights. You can’t make someone pray to your God and you can’t make innocent civilians give up their weapons… if you forgot it is innocent until proven guilty. I also firmly believe that if you have to fight the government it should be with words and in the courts and I pray (it seems like every night) that war with the state doesn’t happen. The simple truth of the matter is what happened should’ve been avoided at all costs… and if I’m being honest what it looked like was the ATF trying to prove itself and justify their existence by putting their budget to use. It looked like the ATF thought those people would soil themselves and give up immediately when they saw them coming and when it didn’t happen they basically said “well we came all this way”… the higher ups got good men who were just trying to do their jobs killed and it set off a chain of events that changed America forever.
Ruby Ridge and Waco were the point of no return for Timothy. He was even outside at Waco handing out propaganda supposedly. Things sure have changed. For instance citizen showed up during the bundy stuff with their guns pointing them at the feds. It seems people have learned from these incidents.
Wanted to be left alone? They were fortifying the place, preaching the end of times, buying excessive amounts of guns and even explosives. It clearly needed to happen, you can argue that they f'ed up, but saying they "just wanted to be left alone" or "should've not happened" is really dumb.
@@temeria1986 All of that signals a desire to be left alone, yes. You and the ATF have lost the plot
@@temeria1986 when did they buy guns and ammo? no.... they manufactured and sold guns and ammo. and this whole raid stemmed from a $200 warrant for a gun they were suspected to have built. The atf was invited in to search. they declined, spent thousands on bringing people down, and lit some kids up so the media wouldnt hear the truth.
@SailorMoon supposedly that was false according to the davidians that survived and were released. It was a narrative to help the government villianize them for authorization to assault the compound.
Thank you for this video.
Love your Soundtracks man!
"You can't play God without creating Hell" Damn what a quote. Hell of a video man! Great work!
The Waco miniseries with Taylor Kitsch playing Koresh was pretty solid. There were a lot of innocent people that got caught up in all of this mess. So many bullheaded people leading others to their death.
As a child I cheered the feds. As an adult I cheered the Branch Davidians resistance to a bullshit search and a brutal siege. All participantimg federal agencies got their just desserts and have to. Live with the deaths they caused.
That miniseries is awesome!! Really puts the entire situation together and shows everything from both sides
your editing is amazing
This is better than school, documentaries, and movies...thx for all the hard work you do ❤❤❤❤
BTW: You should do a collab with Nick Crowley, you two will be THE BEST DUO!!!!
Imagine being one of those ATF agents present knowing that the munitions used killed people that they could have saved. Following orders isn't an excuse. Over all scope was missed numerous times.
The ATF was looking for a fight just look up the pic of the agents posing over dead kids
Two words Ruby ridge
These officers are trained killers and cover themselves in self righteousness deceive themselves they are doing good work
@@mateomorales1653 Source?
@@kk-gr3ly
The most famous image from the siege...like even Dutch textbooks have this shit in their history
4 ATF agents could have lived longer if they didn’t live by that creed of following orders.
I love your take on this. You held both sides accountable for their failings.
That’s what I loved about it
Totally agree Mark....
Only one side showed up on private property with an army and a tank
This was the most biased video I've seen him do actually.
Very one sided against the Davidians.
Defending the ATF is something I'd virtually never do, and especially in this case.
@@DDadams0 that's exactly what terriost say
Your documentaries are far better than anything on tv
I FREAKING LOVE THESE VIDEOS POPO!!!!!!
None of this ever needed to happen, and that overlooked fact is what enrages me the most. It was widely known among local LE and the FBI that most mornings Koresh went out on the rural roads around there jogging, sometimes alone but usually with one other guy. Two cars full of Cops could have arrested him there in relative safety; you can't be heavily armed jogging. But instead they wanted to look like heroes so instead they instugated the whole thing by trying to serve a warrant where they knew he wouldn't comply and where they knew they'd meet resistance, perhaps of a lethal nature. There were (and are() no laws precluding them from taking bthe approach they did, but they knew they had a better and safer way and ignored it. Legal but immoral as he!! and a blight on the image of police being peacekeepers.
Actually this falls under 18 USC ss 242 and 241"depravation of rights under the color of law" and "conspiracy to deprive rights". The cult openly invited the feds to search despite them not having a warrant but they refused, then made up stories about waco to villainize them. The cult had a license to manufacture firearms and were in full compliance with regs. They then proceeded to carry out a raid and fire shots at a place where they knew there were women and children present and where there was no sworn testimony under penalty of perjury that stuff was happening, and there were no corroborating witnesses nor sufficient evidence or probable cause - that is "without a reasonable doubt". They then proceeded to use psychological warfare tactics against them in a massive standoff then burnt the place down with everyone in it when it wasn't going their way.
I think they wanted to prove themselves after the Ruby Ridge atrocity (as indeed it was). Instead compounded their failure with the most notorious misuse of Federal power in living memory. Just abominable all around .
the local sheriff said he would have come down to the station if they just asked, the ATF wanted a fight and they got a fight
Koresh was at the mall in Waco the day before the raid. Agents followed him there and watched him eat lunch and followed him home.
He jogged around the outside perimeter of the property every day. They could have grabbed him then, too.
this video and the video @windagoon made are just incredabull you are if not my most favorite history youtube next to windagoon you guys do it so well keep it up
So they made the desision to assault the building to save the remaing kids....and ended up killing the remaining kids. It had nothing to do with saving the kids..
I miss you making fun of police impersonators and stuff, but these documentaries have been amazing! The editing, the narration, the music. Very well produced. This one in particular actually gave me a bit of the feels. I love that you kept if fairly balanced and looked at the shortcomings of both sides. And that quote about creating Hell gave me chills.
I don't know. A. Im 7.minutes in and couldn't stand his one-sided bootlicking slant. Does he actually become "balamced"? I mean how does he weigh the killed children at the hands of the government for an arguable infraction of the horrible NFA?
Fr i thought I was watching a Netflix movie at one point
The ATF were supposed to be trained professionals they could have done this way easier, and this also happened right after the ATF took a huge blow for Ruby Ridge so they were taking any opportunity they could get. And things such as firearms and small explosives such as tanerite are completely legal in Texas. I am not agreeing with Coresh In any way either he was dumbfounded!
Nobody, either at the time (which I remember well, being in my early 30s) or today ever confused the ATF with "professional" in any sense. About the only LEO agency held in lower regard was the DEA... and these days, the FBI is vying for top spot in the Race Towards The Bottom.
It's not the agents, it's the leadership from the highest points.
I heard that it was FBI HRT that took the shots at Ruby Ridge. ATF just took the blame
@@youtubeistrh4666 Nah. Its the agents too.
@@williamjoostjr6571 ATF were the ones who charged weaver for the entrapment with the short barrel shotgun, the initial charge they tried to use to force him to be an informant.
God Bless You Brother! Great Content! 🙏✝️
I got more details from your video then the documentary good job brother
Popo medics videos are amazing, the editing and heart he puts in his videos make them instant classics
One thing I keep saying is the ATF needs to act more like a investigative/minor decision maker agency to help free up regular law enforcement agencies' resources. For what I'm thinking you should never even need a firearm as an agent because you would only arrive after the dangerous part of a situation has already been solved. And well, this is help proving my case.
Problem is the aft sucks at working together. So the aft would refuse to give up their weapons because they want all the "glory" of ripping law abiding Americans instead of going after real criminals.
@@lambchop6210 You won't actually get rid of them, just the need for them, it'd help keep some of the more douche bag ones under control.
Though I do agree with you that the ATF suck working as a team, that'd have to change otherwise you'll waste resources instead of freeing them. You'd almost need a really good director if you made the reform.
@@PantherCat64 ya and getting a good director is impossible because most of the are pieces of shit that drink the koolaid too hard on gun control.
@@lambchop6210 That's why it'd have to be someone chosen by what ever committee reforms it, get someone who's good dealing with Aholes.
@@PantherCat64 your not wrong bud. Its exactly what's needs. With the atf I think they need to be completely disbanded and their duties reevaluated and passes off to the fbi or the marshals and leave it at that man.
Dude these documentaries you're making are top notch. The fast pace editing style must take a lot of work, but it's way more exciting than traditional Ken Burns slideshow that the entire genre defaults to.
Great coverage!
He got like half the information wrong
How does this NOT have a million views yet???
This is easily one of my favorite UA-cam channels. The story, the lesson, the production and the music are all so good.
Seriously if anyone knows can they tell me the background music in the end of this video?
@Rylee Djonovich It’s the last song in the description of the video.
This is just a dumbed down, inaccurate version of what actually happened. Either he didn't do his research or he's purposely leaving out important details to avoid demonetization/censorship.
@@grandstrategos1144 appreciate it
The government is still trying to cover this up. Look at "Waco, Rules of Engagement" part 1 and 2.
Overall an amazing video and I just love how it was made. One thing I found funny was after the last few lines it just cuts to them saying their outro like nothing happened lol
I'm glad you just published a video on Ruby Ridge.
Typing this as I'm watching. Forty two seconds in right now and I want to say they knew he was a cult leader. They actually watched him come and go for several days. They watched him in town, where they could have arrested him without incident. No, they engineered this and I personally believe it was all to further to war on the 2nd Amendment.
i mean, you cant simply arrest someone for preaching his version of the bible.
@@d3203 they obtained a warrant and could have arrested him about town... before the raid. they even knocked on the door first and were told they could come in a search and then the atf fired the first shot. as a conservative i will use an atifa term "stop being a boot licker"
atf is an isreali funded communist terror group. anyone that tells you otherwise is a paid accomplice
100% agreed, the sheep don't understand Disinformation...the war on the 2nd Amendment is rearing its head out its backside...anyone who doesn't believe your point on its connection with Waco is blind..I mean damn look at alll these years later what's going on now.
My buddies and I quietly sit and wait for your videos like it’s the latest tv show craze. Thanks for the great content and keep it coming!
No you don’t and what the hell are you talking about
Great editing bro!
Sad however that it escalated
Interesting how you didn't show the part where the atf agents shoot at their own men as they go into the windows on the rooftop. Resulting in them shooting at each other.
i tought about this some more:
you can see bullet holes appearing from inside to outside the wall, If these buttonholes where
caused by an waco member, then this member must have been in said room adjacent to the window, if the waco dude was down the hallway the bullets would fly towards the front of the wall filmed but this is not the case.This room is roughly 5 meters wide/15 feet) wide You can
see the agents climbing in,and not immediately being shot at.
Why not if the waco dudes fired first? So the 3 atf agents must have seen the waco dude (located adjacent to the window they just entered) in that room, whilst not being shot at, to then all of a sudden being shot at? how is this logical? so if this was a negotiation
standoff going wrong or the waco dude was hiding behind something then to open fire. how come all 3 agents lost this fire fight,since non of them came out after the fire fight. If you`d argue that they where overpowered by the waco dude have a machine gun or whatever, you`d
expect way more bullets flying out the wall.
The conspiracy theory tells that they where attacked by friendly fire from the atf guy laying on the roof, there is footage of him shooting and fragging in that same window his atf buddies just climed trough,why would he do so?
especially if the lack of bullet holes proves his inside atf buddies were not being shot at at that moment. The idea here is that he was ordered to friendly fire his own atf-agents so the atf could escalate the siege,claiming to be shot at by waco dudes.
So recap. 3 agents climb trough a window-> one atf agents shoots and frags trough that same window after his buddies entered ,whilst the atf agents that just climbed that window where not yet being shot at, then to see return fire directly form that room in the directionof the ONLY 4th atf agent.
claiming this fire was from atf agents shooting back at their friendly fire atf buddy makes sense, claiming this was a waco dude does not make sense.
@@blauwzakjecrack I mean neither of us really know so it’s all speculation. But after the first agent jumps in I don’t remember any fire coming outward until after the 2nd officer opened fire. Literally a second or 2 after the first agent jumps in. Then you see fire being returned. But maybe I am remembering wrong. Who knows anyway.
"Illegal guns"
The 2nd amendment would disagree with that phrase.
Imagine being a branch davidian, believing what they did and hearing that psy-op. Bet a few of them saw that as proof of the end times for a bit
I remember watching this Siege on The US.Armed Forces Command Network in Panama. And my father who was a major at the time in the United States Army. Said to me after the aftermath and I quote. “this was nothing but an attack on people exercising their constitutional rights who were well within their rights. And they were doing this at the behest of an Anti-Gun, Anti-Military president who used the power of the federal government against its citizens.
Shame your dad couldn't stay military brass. It wouldn't be in such sad shape now if leadership still had those views.