Survivor of Waco Recounts The Deadly Standoff • Rise & Fall
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- David Koresh led his religious community into what would become a highly publicized massacre of over 75 members. Merle and Joyce talk to a survivor of the event, and recount the rise and fall of the Waco standoff.
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I met a Waco survivor, her sister had been married to Koresh and died in the bunker. The crazy thing is that people still live at Mt Carmel and there is now a huge water park around the corner.
Waco Surf?
@@Intrlde I used to live in Waco and there are people living at Mt Carmel.
@@baileywilliams388 Yes
@@tiptopdadddy I read it wrong there are people that live there just not the branch davidians sorry
Im from Waco iit didn't happen in Waco wish ppl would stop say that 2. It was a doomsday cult the stories I heard he spoke more about the end. In the end it was the news media fault evey time law enforcement would move it was on tv seconds later they could see out the windows. Plenty of blame to go around oh yea one of the davidans had ties to the Sheriff Department.
👏👏👏👏👏 to what she said about "the world doesn't need more strong women. We have enough of those. The world needs kinder men". I completely agree 110%
They are out there stop living your delusions. Open your eyes
@@qwickiegaming8597 Extremely hard to believe, especially when 3.1 women are killed every day, in the US, by their male significant other.
@@qwickiegaming8597 oh, I know they are out there because I have one. That's why I said we need more. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a husband as loving and dedicated as mine while still being strong enough, mentally and physically, to take care of his family the way they deserve. Not every woman and child is lucky enough to have that and I wish they were. So definitely not "living in a world of delusion" here. How about next time maybe don't attack someone when you clearly don't understand the context of their comment? 😂
Yeah except for the children I don't feel the least bit sorry for anyone who died at Waco. Koresh and the parents decided to play America's favorite game called F around and find out. Well, guess what. The branch davidians lost while playing America's favorite game called F around and find out
@@DeadboltDame agree. Excellent comment.
"we have to save the children" "let's shoot into where the children are"
Exactly
They shot up Kent State many years earlier, it's not like this really was a surprise back then.
We don't negotiate with terrorists
I think this is one of those cases where both sides are to be blamed for what happened. Both David Koresh's religious abuse of power over people, including children, and the FBI's poor handling of the siege are responsible for what happened.
Have you seen the Ask a Mortician video about what the Waco bodies tell us?
@@barneymm2204 I’ve seen it. What I haven’t heard is, just what we’re officials supposed to do about the situation. I wish they would have asked.
I think they would have been damned either way.
It’s a cult
I think it took events like this and Kent State to really take a look at our violence, both events shook society like 9/11 did.
@@sunshine3914 Koresh went into town each day to play music or drink at the bar. They could have picked him up and separated the leader from the followers. It would have been the very best possibility of saving the most lives. They had tracked him for months and knew all of this. They went in like they did as a direct result of Ruby Ridge, and their desire to appear viable again.
Ok I have to say it pisses me off to no end that any time the topic of koresh's unchecked child abuse comes up, no one seems to bring up the FACT that he got away with that because it was within the legal bounds of Texas... As a state Texas legitimised his relationship with these girls, you cannot discuss his abuse without discussing the horrible law that made that legal!!!!
Texas is very anti-woman, as their abortion laws prove now.
Conservatives idolise Koresh for that
I was born in, raised, and escaped from a cult. It ruined religion for me. However, I'm agnostic; I've had enough firsthand spiritual experiences to know there's more to reality that what we perceive. It's ironic, given that I study science. But organized religion is just another business and a way to maintain social control. All those books had some good messages, but they're still byproducts of the cultures that wrote them. The idea that a mere human could fully, accurately enact the will of an omnipotent being is highly presumptuous. Beware of anyone who says they know the one truth path to God. That aside, you really need to work on your narration; reading from a script is fine, but don't make it sound like it. This video sounded like Public Speaking 101.
The survivors quote "We need kinder men" has never been more important or urgent advice. Thank you for sharing x
For real, those men should have never tried to invade private property
@@mmaybee4379No, but the men at the compound never should have been running guns and drugs illegally.
No Drug charges were convicted, buying weapons with FFl and still not enough government checks/fees is not, gun running. Having lots of grenades may be suspicious but isn't "running Guns" either. The main reasons for the raid were proven wrong and government ignored. Those weapons never hurt anyone until their property was trespassed by ATF@@ethanweeter2732
I remember watching this stand out on the news I was only 12 years old. I actually thought that this was mishandled or rather I should say authorities mishandled the people. There were children in there. Just a tragic situation all around
You guys did? Wow, everyone says that and yet Schumer and the federal branches botched investigations and made evidence that would've determined a different outcome inadmissible in court. They obfuscate the reality of the situation with my fathers infamy and I don't care who he was or how he behaved: the reality is the standard by which oversight occurred is pathetic. They broke laws before, during and after.
Cult's faulty beliefs were more important than their children.
Except the Branch Davidians admitted on tape to starting fires.
I feel Waco is one of those events that will always hold conflicting stories. The othering of this group made sure of this. I genuinely recommend the "Ask a Mortician" video about Waco as well to anyone interested.
Was really good, thanks!
It's pretty simple to make a decision
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A cult is a cult
A federal massacre is a massacre.
@@corruptcape2776 that too, the FBI did so wrong. They should of done more to save those people, but used
@@corruptcape2776 how were the cops supposed to know Koresh locked the kids in the basement?
I can't hear about the town Waco, like in the show Fixer Upper, without thinking about this. It just has that ominous connotation now.
“the world needs kinder men” what an excellent observation
seems like consuauences of your actions
Was koresh kind? No he was a selfish delusional pedophile
She has an incredible memory of being 6 years old and younger, 30 years ago. 👏🏻 I’m 10 years younger and can only remember very vague things from my childhood. 😂
Trauma does that to people, some block it out and for some it’s a play by play every day
Either nothing significant happened to you, or if it did, you’ve blocked it out.
These aren't memories you forget. Trauma can be put & locked into a box. It depends. She probably spent a lot of time in therapy. It effects us all differently.
@@sunshine3914 It all becomes a blur because you think its normal at that age. "Repressed memories" dont exist.
Sure every person is different... but I'd wager 100 testimonies from children and adults alike against 1 testimony from a child under 6...
Specially when the entire context of the Vaega family's relationship is taken into consideration!
We speak how Vernon manipulated ppl... likely true... it's also likely true that others manipulated things as well...
Just objective input here... from another survivor...
Best way to say it is... things weren't perfect... but there's a lot of exaggerated info based on emotional response and not rational thought. And as I've said before... what's worse... manipulating ppl for your own good... or killing them off... JS
I had to write a paper on how I would handle the Waco situation different if I was a ATF agent in college.
If it involved disobeying orders of J.R. I would have given you and A+.
This poor girl, wish her parents had left with her when they had the chance.
Her parents were cultists and were Jonestowning themselves.
I'm speechless wow I feel bad for her
They got the information about Victor Houteff wrong, The Davidian branch had nothing to do with Houteff not even the Location of believes, everything was the ex wife doing and she was the one that purchased the Location not Victor Houteff.
Great work on this video and insane topic. 👏
To me a cult is about the leader more than the believers, and as I just checked the definition that is indeed the case, so I don't think how it would dehumanize them. It seems somehow similar to prostitute becoming something else (can't tell since that's the one term I'd use), it is abusive and exploitative, in the case of a cult by the leader and in the case of prostitution by the clients, as it assumes the person isn't doing it of her (or his) own volition.
That assumption is wrong, certainly in the case of many prostitutes who absolutely decide to live that particular lifestyle. I would agree that some people have external pressures that influence them to a point that makes them captive, however most adults also posses free will and in the case of the Davidians they could have walked away at any point. The fact they were too week and allowed themselves to be indoctrinated has to rest on their shoulders.
Any person that is willing to put their children at risk in a barricaded heavily armed environment deserves to have their children removed from them. I can not comprehend how any parent could risk the life of their child over a belief. I hope the children who survived were placed in loving families that would put them before any cult or insane leader.
I'm Australian and was about the same age as this girl. I always thought the blame was on him. We were told what the government did was maybe the wrong way to go about it but that Koresh set fire to the building. He didn't want everyone to leave him. I think the gov wanted to prevent another Jonestown.
Survivors have said that he set fire to the building. None of this should have happened to begin with, but he and his right hand man started the fire rather than yield to the tear gas and surrender.
Buzz feed Imma be so real. Your channel has gone down hill ever since Shane & Ryan left.
Waco was David Koresh's "Apocalypse Now."
Interesting interview and analysis. I'm having trouble with the numbers though. At 13:42 you state there were 83 members inside after the initial gunfight. At 15:22 you say 44 Davidians (mainly children) left which would have resulted in 39 remaining. At 18:21 you report 76 Davidians were deceased and 9 survived which equals 85. I presume the series of events as reported in your documentary create the mismatch?
The telling of the Waco history at the beginning could've been done without the judgment tone and air quotations. Retelling a story shouldn't have your personal thoughts and feelings involved in it. Simply couldn't finish the video.
In season one of this show the ladies expressed that they go into these stories to see if they would fall into the trappings of a cult or not. Marle being someone who admited in some of the pasted cases they covered that she would while Joyce is more discerning. In short the point was for them to add their personal thoughts. Hence the bar at the bottom of the screen either moving towards yes or no at different levels of the cults progression. They did that with paddles too last season.
I agree 100% and was just going to say the same thing. They sound like they are reading a script for a B movie. And the effing " ". So annoying, could you see Cooper or Walters speaking this way and using air quotes. No.
My dad and I watched the Truth and Lies about Waco. My dad remembered it
You did a great job
You girls did a beautiful job on this!!!! I wish I could have hugged you all
Whats with the “air quotes”
The two narrators feel awkward and unbalanced. One is hard to understand and looks like she doesn’t want to be there.
The fake cry was cringe af! Wow how disrespectful. This was a wasted opportunity for an amazing interview with a child survivor of the Waco massacre.
Yeah like I came here for that person's perspective and would like if they made her the focus more. Glad she got to share her story
Glad i'm not the only one. They're very boring, no energy or chemistry. I can't even watch the rest of this.
@@xtina6569 I couldn’t either it was very annoying
If it's not perfect, why bother trying, the sphincter police will burn you anyhow.
The only true mystery is why they couldn’t pay Ryan and Shane more
They left BuzzFeed and started a new channel called Watcher.
@@DeadSilverNFG they left because they weren’t paid enough
Joann is very interesting. I don’t think I could have done what she has done given the circumstances. She does seem more opposed to Mount Carmel than most of the survivors.
When you don't think your government would do this, think again
This is exactly why I dislike all the David Koresh hate... it detracts (as intended) from the greater horrors committed by our own gov... who's job is to protect people. They screwed this one up so bad it's hard NOT to think they did it on purpose!
Really love these ladies and the style of this video. Keep it up!
Wasn't the biggest force gathered against their own Americans, so many haven't been taught about the Battle of Blair Mountain
I know they're brainwashed but I don't understand how people actually believe that stuff
How about Scientology?
@@LeTrashPanda same crap
you guys should cover the unsolved Nicola Bulley case. its on trend
Topicality is a thing.
You did not handle this well, at all
Some therapists are evil
might wanna work on your reading of the script, sounds way to forced imo
Yes! I’m so glad you ladies are back!
Precious is back!!! 😍😍🥰🥰😘😘
If they were good journalists they would have asked specifically about her experience with the so called “religious abuse” cause they had the gall to say there was no evidence… not saying it didn’t happen but it’s not like cps or the fbi initially conducted the raid.
Ps bring Ryan and shane back.
Do YOU believe the children, or is the raid more important to you?
Ask wisdom… aka Shaun bunds, that was the baby that was beaten until his bottom bled. Or heather jones - who talks about the abuse in the most recent documentary on Netflix.
There was abuse going on no question, I think the issue is the FBI overstated that abuse to the attorney general, ostensibly to get their gas plan approved, they knew she could be influenced by the fear of children being abused.
It is your right to believe what ever you want , it’s no one’s business but your own. FBI , ATF, government , ect , had no right to attack those people . They wanted one man and caused the deaths of many . Regardless it’s a sad and dramatic situation , I don’t agree with David’s teachings and behaviors but ATF were undoubtedly wrong for the way they handled that situation, and things like this are why people hate and can’t trust the “system. Too many lies on both ends. Rip to all those lost in that tragic incident.
Hooff !!! Very long & boaring video !😠😠😠
Why would anyone do that smh 🤦♂️ the kids tho why 😢I’m sad. 😢
This series will be good
they are literally the most plain and monotoned people ive ever seen. i wish i dont have to see them on this channel being literal crime and history blasphemy.
Being a cult has nothing to do with differing beliefs.
It has to do with pledged servitude to anyone but yourself.
If you put anyone above you, you are a cult member.
If God was a real thing, he wouldn't have created you just to bow.
Cool bro. That's super helpful.
Oh wait, no it isn't. They still fucked us and use our tragedy against us.
This fkd me up. All the children 😭😭😭
Wow nice house
Yes new episodes! Love you girls
New video from BuzzFeed!
Okay this is pretty bad but low key Oregon is the best map in r6
This is too scripted. At least make it sound like you memorized the script. So corny
Just a thought, if we would stop putting tags on people. Cult, gay, druggy, hoarder. To many to name. Every tag comes with a prenotion idea which is usually wrong. We are all just people. All different and special in our own way. Let’s just say no cults no hoarders just individuals with their own ideas and way of life. That is what America is suppose to be about after all. If we don’t start paying attention we will loose our rights to be free.ahh just a thought.
Please make video about kurt cobain and sylvia plath
these hosts are unwatchable
Lies lies liesssss.
She look so beautiful 😳🥰
Miss Shane and Ryan's presence on here. They did so well together.
You always have watcher to move on to. Rubbing this on every video isn't the whole point of the channel. Move on
Ok.
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Never forget how many children the FBI burned alive that day. F in chat bros
Oh yeah and definitely not the cultists who made their children burn with them all in the name of some greasy redneck child molester calling himself jesus.
Good Lord
This Black Girl is not meant for the Camara neither in Front nor Behind
Gotta move on to the next host
This was Not ear Friendly
What you mean? I thought she was good in the movie Precious.
Y’all should see yourself before talking just saying
Ladies you are making these documentaries with a element of human which is sadly lacking as always in the human element. Peace be with you and be safe.
Didn’t know precious ended up working at buzzfeed
This is so boring....you might want to think of a better show
Is Joann Vaega in Netflix doc. whom DK referred to as his "little taco"??? 😑😑😑😐🫤
No, that is a little boy.