Unloading a Van Trailer (VERY Creative Process)
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2023
- You guys asked and we are trying our best to deliver! How are these bales unloaded at the customer's location (after we load the trailers)? Well, we switched it up and now we are unloading one on our end. Enjoy and thank you guys for the support.
Whoever came up with the
Board is a genius, give a raise
It was my dad. No raises for him lol
I am old 73 maybe like your dad I said to myself get a plank the first 5 seconds I watched the video nothing like many tears of experience
I’m supposed to be watching my children, walking my dogs, and helping my wife in the kitchen…but instead I’m laying on my bed watching men unload hay from a truck…what a great Saturday!
As a trucker , sliding them out works great , until you happen to find a trailer with a lot of nails in a wooden floor .
Aluminum floor trailers would slide easier than wooden floors .
Great video !
thank you! We did another truck just yesterday and it was smooth sailing
@@FarmingInsiderStoughton Z Plate trailers have smooth floors and smooth sides.
I used to get loaded with empty beverage cans, and not a single one would dislodge after a rough 600 mile trip.
I also have been loaded with hay bales this size.
I got loaded on the ground, no dock. Soon enough, the tractor was able to push the whole truck with the brakes set.
I climbed in, and stomped on the brake.
He was able to shove the hay in clear to the front.
At the other end, they had a mobile ramp, and they couldn’t get the damn thing lined up with the trailer.
I told them to drop the thing in the ground, and I’ll back up to it.
First shot.
They used a machine with the claws to go in and get the bales out.
Had I known about this, I probably could have just hitched the straps to the machine, and drive forward to let off the bales right into the ground!
Good job guys! Called improvisation. Busting bales is money & time lost. Ya done well boys!
Fascinating and an excellent idea with the board. A loading dock would be a very cool addition to the farm. This is a side of farming I've just never seen or thought about before. Thank you for the video.
We are planning another barn soon if the budget allows, I think we are convinced to have a loading dock at or near that barn for purposes like this. Thanks for viewing!
I love the effort and the results. Thank you!
As a widow, hauling and unloading is now up to me ..
it ALWAYS amazes me how FEW of the smaller farmers know the actual weight of their bales.
(I think they must rely on what the person baling their field tells them what they've set their baler at - which is MOST OFTEN 15-20# heavier than the actual weight of the bales).
As a "vertically challanged senior citizen", I just can't throw around the 100# bales any more😢
I have a bale scale, and if I'm able to pick up a bale and move it, I can tell fairly close how much it actually weighs on the scale.
I've been "shorted" as much as 550# on a ton (which gets mighty expensive when hay is going for close to $400/ton!!!)
By taking photos of some of the scale weights, weighing & recording EVERY BALE I unload, the tonnage that has come up short is usually remedied by the farmer..
It just makes for a LOT of extra time & work to weigh each bale, plus the cost of another trip to pick up the missing weight.
I'd much rather buy 40-50# bales and be done with it!!! Those I CAN still handle and stack!!
(with the bigger bales, I'm lucky to get them 3-high in the barn by myself!! and if I have to HIRE someone to help me stack, it just adds to the $$ cost of the hay).
Thanks for making your hay bales WORKABLE for just about anyone!🤠
We load vertical with straps to pull 4 bundles at a time. Run the strap through the strings to keep in place on the first set. Put in the next set. Attach the strap ends to each other and repeat. Should be about 8 straps. Just pull them out at the unload 4 at a time then. And not pulling on strings.
We just tried this yesterday morning. I’m hoping to hear positive results from the customer
It’s amazing how many people don’t know what 50lbs actually feels like.
It is amazing, but in their defense they have also likely been duped before
@@FarmingInsider yes. I get complimented on my bales all the time because I make good tight bales and mine are almost always between 50 and 60 lbs unless the hay just gets too dry. I am planning my bale scale system for my baler so I'll be able to have an instantaneous and average bale weight over a field to try to make everything even more consistent.
@@thebalerman A long time ago we use to have someone else bale our hay for us. We got charged by the bale for the service. The bales were loose, light and very hard to stack. The person doing it either did not really know what they were doing or set the baler to bale light in order to get more money. That's why we purchased the equipment and started baling on our own. We don't go as far to scale them constantly but we have gotten pretty good at making a consistent size and weight. Our customers are much happier with our hay now than they were then.
@@FarmingGeeks yeah I make good tight consistent bales now. But working on a scale system for the baler just to keep tabs. This would basically tie in with a moisture sensor and give you more of the picture.
50s lol we loaded wire tied 75 and 80 pounders
I've been farming for 30 years and I make 40 pound bales! Anyone who has to handle hay every single day, will tell you, they stop making them 50 pound bales. It's amazing what a 10 pound difference makes. The 50's stack better, but the 40's don't kill ya!
I remember the 100lb wire tied alfalfa bales average was 80 to 75 pounds
Back in the old days, 60# bales were standard. 100# if you had really good string or wire tieing systems.
@@brianjohnson6053 Yep, and we often carried them 2 at a time and threw hundreds a day by hand without thinking about it.
@@mrsqueakthecat.8061 then walk to school in a blizzard, uphill both ways???
And didn’t reduce price .
I remember 70 pound bales .
Great video. Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much!
The image stabilization is much appreciated.
Thank you! It’s a lot better viewing
One time we had to move a lot of soil that was almost pure clay. We lined the dump truck beds with plastic. I'm thinking that plastic on the trailer floors would make the hay slide a LOT better.
That’s not a bad idea
When you guys were pulling on the strings without the board, I felt like it was going to sling back and hit me in the face. Excellent movie once again!
It was an anxious event lol. Thank you for the support!
That is a genius move, well done.
Dad incorporated a concrete loading dock into the side of our barn bridge. Never used it much for hay, but it's still there if we need it. Good video! We occasionally ran close to idle time charges on the trucks. One outfit was $60/hr., but one driver told me they charged one guy $95 cause they didn't like him. At least it wasn't us.
It’s nice to have! We have had some machines and such over the years that it would have been convenient to have a dock for. I guess I am glad we are still being told a $60/hr charge. They must like our business a little
When I give my Baron a " C section", we use a steel pinch bar, Its about 5 feet long, and the point threads right through the twines. I havn't unloaded a van trailer yet. you can grab some bale twines too. I agree with your Dad Run a rake Low and Slow.. Keep up the good work. Love the video's.
Kind of seems like a few geniuses here !
Walking floor trailers for the win ;)
Try chain link fence . On the floor front to back, with a pipe so fork lift can hook a chain and pull everything to rear of truck. when finished roll up fence and return to shipper.
Take two L shaped steel bars with two D rings weld to your pulling end. Run the bars down each side of the trailer. Curl the L down to drop in behind the Bales. Connect to D ring and pull the bales out.
Time to buy a salvage trailer and use the old floor as a portable ramp to drive in and out of the trailer.
We have since gotten a loading dock
Thank God for walking floor trailers!
Take a cattle pannel and cut it the width of the trailer and put it in the front of the trailer with a long chain on both sides, and load hay in. Take the chain and hook to the loader and pull backward and it should pull it all back at once
I don’t know the pulling capacity of your telehandler, but you could ask your shipper to use a “t-bar” setup. Basically, installing wood stringers with a rope or chain running perpendicular to the stringer. You tie on to the rope and pull a whole group of bales to the back all at once.
When you load the trailer, put a strap on the ground from the rear of the trailer to the doors hooked onto a fork that rests on the back wall, then pull the strap and all the bails should hypothetically come out all at once
in europe we do alot with walking floor trailers, even bales!
You need wheels on the back of the forks so they work like a dolly in the trailer.
That’s a pretty awesome idea really. Then we could push the extensions a little further
I used to drive a truck with a 60 series Detroit. Just like that van truck. Badass
awesome truck!
Always a good video.
I appreciate that!
Before loading first first bundle into box, place 4x4 angle iron 6 feet long on floor with two 40 ft. 4 inch wide straps attached near each end of angle iron. Lay the two straps flat on floor the length of box and stack bundles on top of straps. To unload, after unloading easy to reach bundles, attach straps and slide all remaining bundles back together to desired location for unloading.
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I was going to make the same suggestion.
Loading Docks have been a great investment for our hay operation. We use concrete retaining wall blocks, we have built docks at all 3 of our farms, one is a double 90 degree dock, one is a triple dock and the last is a single dock.
in your situation a portable ramp would be ideal.
I might have to ask you for pictures. We need one
Here's my favorite lads, fricken awesome video mate, I've seen a merlo telehandler that telescopes 3 times,, they would reach right to the front of a box? Probably not seeing side on. You are explaining everything you do in great detail, don't let the trolls that missed physics and common sense class at school get ya down. Keep up the great work mate from New Zealand.
Thank you very much!! Our JCB’s are also a 3 stage boom and won’t make the front. That would have to be a tremendously big machine
@@FarmingInsider yeah once you showed the side view I thought whoops no way, but yes a loading ramp and a skid steer would be ideal! And hey tell those mate's of yours to be a little more understanding of your camera work. Your channel will take off! I promise. I mention you a lot on other posts.
That means a lot. Thank you very much for the support! A little bit better everyday is what we strive for
Put nylon skids / flat under the hay
It’s not us loading it unfortunately
Farming has always got challenges. Video was amazing and I’m left with different feelings after watching. Being a farmer tue struggles are endless and we always pull through and make it look good half the time. Lol. As a logistics dispatcher and truck driver of the past I feel horrible for the driver. Being yes in a day cab no sleep or rack time so just bored the whole time. Being a gamer though I’d be content walking around looking at the operation but still bored after a while.
It's new challenges everyday
Demurge/ detention is basically the same thing. In the oil fields they use demurge. I've never heard it used in dry van, reefer, or open deck.
Personally I would never haul hay in a dry van, although I believe that is the best way to transport hay. I've never hauled hay myself but I rented a dry van trailer that someone before me did. It took me months to get all the hay cleaned out of all the crevasses and several weeks to get it to an acceptable level to haul food grade products again.
On open deck hay is a big hassle as a driver. It is our job to secure it in a way to keep it on the trailer and not become a hazard on the road. Without long Veeboards the straps sink right through the hay and loosen up plus the load needs to be tarpped. If it starts raining before you can get the load tarpped, then your likely to be overweight as the rain just gets soaked up by the hay.
From what I've seen transporting hay just doesn't pay enough on open deck to justify the costs of buying the needed Veeboards and then finding a place to store them in between hay loads. Sure you could use them on some other types of loads as well but you won't need even close to as many Veeboards.
I'm sure there are some truck drivers that would disagree with me on the Veeboard issue and consider them essential flatbed equipment, but not for my operation and the type of freight I haul...
I've been driving semis for a little over 8 years and have done dry van, reefer units, power only, oilfield vacuum tankers, and open decks. The past 3 years I've been an owner operator
I don’t disagree with you on most points. Flats are hard to secure and you pretty much need to get out after about 45 min to 1hr of driving to tighten your straps back up.
With a leaf blower, we have gotten vans pretty darn clean, pretty fast. Maybe the trailer you rented didn’t haul bundles, but maybe hand stacked them. There is a considerably less amount of chaff than there is from hand stacking and hand unloading in the trailer.
@@FarmingInsider yes on the dry van side I always used a leaf blower after every load. The problem was hay gets stuck behind the logistics posts and shippers would reject the trailer if they saw any on food grade shipments. Many places are much more strict about it than you guys seem to be. As far as how it was loaded onto that trailer I have no idea.
Stopping to check your load securement within 50 miles from a shipper and then every 150 miles or 3 hours (whichever comes first) is mandatory for all open deck drivers regardless of type of freight hauled
I broker hay on the east coast and haul regularly in a dry van. it's definitely the easiest method but you are right. Once there's hay in there it's a nightmare to get clean. you get most out with a leaf blower but soon as you get down the road there more. I don't do any food grade loads because of this. I got refused once and that was enough to know better.
I actually find the bundles leave less. At least in my experience. Maybe because where I get mine the bales get to tend to get thrown to the front for us stacking. Unloading is messy to. But it has helped once I got a wooden moving dolly from harbor freight and not carrying them to the back. I've expanded enough customer base now that it would probably be worth getting a tractor to unload like y'all did in this video. Do y'all do much straight orchard? That's our most popular "imported" grass. Native is coastal Bermuda @@FarmingInsider
Hey, that was good work. Good video too. Food for them cows or goats or whatever needs it.
When I was trucking and hauling loads like this we put heavy cardboard under them left some out on edges and hooked them it worked pretty good sometimes it didn't
About 55 years ago I would find myself trying to keep up with a baler while stacking 7 high right up to the last few inches of the front of the hay wagon.
It seems I was told the bales were about 70 lbs each. But, that's an aging memory, so it might be wrong. It was a dairy farm, so all this hay was for their cows. I was the only one on the wagon, with one of the farmer's family members driving the tractor that pulled the baler that pulled the wagon. My arms got so cut up from the hay because I didn't wear long sleeves. Too hot. I was paid what I was worth.....$1.00 per hour. Good times.
No your not wrong where im at 100lb wire tied alfalfa bales were the norm 50, 60 were basic range hay idiot cubes
Skid steer pallet fork cable or a semi cable in front and a oak tree.😊 1500 pounds each by now😊
Good on the fly ingenuity. Suggestion is to add $100 to the machine inventory for two large grappling forks. Hook one on each side and you're smiling. Great grandad loaded barn after barn that way.
Btw, we made a set of crude but awesome pallet fork extensions to unload semis of straw bales coming in for our landscape company. Of course you’d never be able to lift them up with the fork set being so long but basically we used heavy wall steel pipe and welded 3’ long 3” c channel to the end for the fork. We’d slide up under the bale stack and tilt back as much as possible which would give us just enough love to slide the stack to the back of the trailer. Then we’d grab the stack with stack with the skidsteer. It worked great and didn’t hurt the bales. Saved the guys and the driver
Do you have any pictures?
Man as someone who’s loaded and unloaded these trailers by hand in the summer with a 4 person crew we loaded them in about 1&45mins but it depended on how close we got to the hay in the barn with the trailer and it was one busty job inside lol 😂 but it paid good money for just couple of hours!!
I think if a 53' L x 8' W x 5/8" Tk piece of nylon/rubber mat was placed on the floor of the trailer, were after the last push is extracted . it has hole shackles at the end were you could just hook up & pull the next stacks to be extracted ( "a walking floor" ) . then it could be rolled back out into the empty trailer for the loading !
Man you're not kidding about your chicken scratches 🤣
A+ for ingenuity and effort!
This is why walking floor trailers are valuable makes quick work of it I do however understand there trying to show what methods are easier.
Walking floor trailer with a clean out tarp in the front
Yes it is. It would make your job a lot easier. Steven Sipes
Get yourself a van with a walking floor. Easy Peasey! Way faster. Once you use one, you will wonder how you did without one.
It’s amazing what people go through to save money. no dock put it on a flatbed. ( but of course that would cost a little more so not an option)
The company I used to work for would give you 2 hours grace for unloading once parked. A minute after that the charge would be $200 and go up for each hour after that.
You might want to check out a LIVE FLOOR BOX VAN TRAILER. It can unload or load by moving a series of panels that moves the load in or out. By the time you get the first off the next level is at the waiting for you. I have seen this before at truck shows. Steven Sipes
That sounds like a walking floor
I'll take a 50 lb bale any day. We live out here in Arizona and our bales are three stringers the average 95 to 105 lb.
I do miss my Midwestern bales of hay when as a kid bucking bales at 50 lb a piece.
I run telehandlers for construction and have the same issues with box vans and bad pallets. We use a strap round the back and down both sides. I think I would use the long reach forklift.
Do pallets slide alright on those floors?
use curtainside trailers! no strapping in the field, fast offloads and loading!
You'll learn. Need to talk to some old timers
You could make some slip sheets with tie off loops on them and slide them out very easily and also load them easily
i just though about the same thing. With a rack under the trailer for storage.
Brother, don't know why I was unsubscribed from your channel. Hope you and the family are well and have a great New Year. We are still cutting grass hay and it's been hot in Rio Grande Valley Texas. Blessings.
I wish you guys good luck! Keep hammering down
We do round bales, two straps end to end all the way around one side to the other side. Pull all 5 of them off the trailer at one time, about two minutes and tailer is off loaded.
How about a “Slider trailer”, a sliding curtain side like the steel haulers use.
I used to load the flat bed off the field by hand Then load the barn off the trailer by hand.
Not quite to this scale, but close enough. Now that your work is done, is it miller time or some card games?
you have made yourself a good old fashion Pallet puller (or a version of) - I use a hook and a chain to get pallets etc out of my truck - seen this board trick years ago (Australia)
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hi, very interesting videos, but the first ones that I thought of when you have to pull hay from the flatbed, why not a hook on each side of the undrrst bundle. Greetings from Sweden
At the DC I work at theres a specialized forklift with a special front end that is essentially a giant spatula. Would be perfect for these.
If you had a.board behind the stack and a strap coming out from the backside that would be a great way to pull them to the back
Your farm seems to have most of the logistics of hay handling down to a science. Its great to see how differant folks handle similar issues.
When baling horse hay, most farms perfer the lighter bales since its usually the ladies taking care of the barn. Im not saying that there aren't women who can't handle heave bales, just would perfer lighter ones.
I would agree with you. Right around that 45lb mark is the sweet spot
Just noticed you guys are local, I live stream around the Cleveland and Northeast Ohio area
Aussie's have walking floor trailers that walk the whole load rearward so each row can be unloaded without the need for telehandlers or dangerous procedures
It would be nice if they could come on a walking floor trailer then they could walk them back to the back of trailer to get off easier
It would, but we are building a loading dock so all of this will be alleviated
I'm an ex truck driver of 30 years in the UK and I've used that method to unload pallets a strap and slide them out . Over here we have trailers with walking floors do you have them out in the states worth looking into especially if it's only when needed in the bad weather
Good thinking to the guy that decided to double the boards
It was my dad. It was a great idea
@@FarmingInsider he knows what he’s doing
And it works best parked on a slope
Enjoy your content. Any reason why y’all don’t use bale clamps. Can pick up a full New Holland bale wagon load. A bale clamp can unload a flatbed in two shakes. One other thing, it appears that your farm is into dirt farming too, reference the large grain storage and grain leg. Can we see some of that too?
I’ve seen bale clamps and I just don’t think they are a super good fit for us. The side grapple we use works really well for our bundles going in and out of these boxes.
I would like to get more row crop work on video, but this hay stuff is a full time gig and it seems like I (the main camera man) doesn’t cross over much anymore :/
I used to buck hay, nothing like getting to a field expecting 50lb or 60lb bales and then working your ass off with green or wet super tight bales
With a ramp or a loading dock the height of the machine used needs to fit into the box van with the ROPS up........We purchased a 5045 E Deere and had it speced with construction tires and weighted to handle the bundles.....We load right out the Baron, onto our own trailers for delivery by our trucks as needed to contract customers TSC and others sell right out of our trailers
Oh yes, that would be a real sad day if your machine didn’t fit well.
We don’t drop any trailers anywhere. We haven’t gotten into that practice.
Detention does start usually after 2 hours.
TONU ( Truck ordered not used) Say you order a truck and he is on their way or they are already there but someone canceled the load.
Now I know my vocabulary. Thank you!
Run strap through it put the border behind it as you load.
We do that crap all of the time ,,use a field fence puller hook the strings to the hooks on the iron pole
We do 40 to 50 pound bails because I don’t want to pick up 100 pound bails. 😂
Lol exactly!
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On the project here average alfalfa idiot cube was between 75 and 80 pounds wire tied and thrown by hand with hooks
Walking floor trailers work the best,and have been used for years.
Wonder if those soft shell semi trailers wouldn’t work.
They usually aren't the right dimensions
I was thinking of a flat steel plate on edge with drop down fingers that you could slide between the bale and the side of the trailer. Need one for each side. Weld on a hook for a chain.
We did this again the next time pretty smooth in 44 minutes, but thats a very interesting idea
@@FarmingInsider emailed you a drawing of a hay hook that should make life easier.
There are walking floor trailers too
forklift and a dock solve all the problems when sliding any freight getting rollers under the freight is key pulling downward on strapping is counterproductive freight must lift to slide just a 3 ft pallet like jack gizmo that could get under the center of the stack and lift slightly hook the strap to this a pull upward would slide easily
walking floor would push them out for you or just use a flatbed like we do here in uk
As you say most people that claim 50+lbs bales of grass hay are full of it or else they are over moisture. My coastal or Tifton 85 bermuda is usually 45-50lbs. Alfalfa bales are denser and can get to 60+lbs.
Yes sir that’s exactly right
Funny thing is here in Australia only lucerne (alfalfa) is considered horse hay while grass hay is used to feed other stock because it’s inferior but some farmers are now putting grass into wrapped bales for their stock due to better quality than hay
You know they make flat beds right? And collapsible top vans?
A walking floor trailer would probably work great.
Walking floor!
Do you need to use a walking floor trailer?
Hay is usually hauled on a flatbed. Never heard of loading it in a van in my 4.5 million miles.
30 loads into 2023 and maybe only 6 were on flats
Historically, Hay was hauled more from Rural Areas as a backhaul when Freight prices were in the toilet and companies weren't willing to pay deadhead. Usually Hay and grain were hauled to just cover fuel.. I've seen Hay, grain, and even bulk potatoes hauled in dry vans. Just depends on customers desires..
We used to back a step deck up to a van trailer and use payloader to set skid loader on trailer pull bales out turn sideways on step deck and spear with the payloader, it really worked well but dads comment was “you idiots realize stuff like this is why OSHA was invented” he watched for a lil bit and had to leave lol
That might have got a little squirrelly!
Une si grande entreprise avec de la boue dans la cour! formidable🤮
When you need a walking floor trailer.
2straps one on top part of board and one on bottom part, pulls even with out all the pressure on middle of board
If we would have broke the second board, definitely would have tried that. Good suggestion
I gather you cannot lift the box end to partially reduce the drag load?
All you need is trucks with walking floors.
Do you guys not have a normal balespear for the telehandlers? I'm guessing the loadalls would easily be able to reach a lot further in than your articulated jcb
Yes we were using them
1" Square metal frame 2 or 3 sections that bolt together 3 ft wide more eaven pull easy to store for you.
As for set up for customer unload flatbed supplier get 4 6" or 8" 90-degree corner protectors and 2 ratchet straps to wap all
3 stacks ratchet snug ( will also stablise load in transit ) on customer end take metel bar such as tire iron insert on each
Side behind couner protector loop straps in X pattern top left of bar to bottom right bar across front to the bottom left up to the top
Top right back across front tie off the top left hook tow rope to center of X should give solid even lull of the stacks Provide
The truck driver with self addressed trackable box recover must use this to return straps and corner protectors