Arcusin MultiPack Vs Bale Baron
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2023
- There is not a week that goes by without atleast one phone call from an interested future buyer of either an Arcusin MultiPack or a Marcest Bale Baron. We try our best to offer advice and educated thoughts on the matter. We hope this video can help to clarify some of the pros and cons that each system has to offer.
I love the videos. Even more, I love that you Don't have green tractors all over the farm! 🤠
Haha we are pretty proud of our masseys
I'm not a farmer. However, when you see the difference between the machines, it's crazy how different they are. The bales the barron produces are amazing. I can see the uses for both machines. However, if I was in your shoes, I would choose a barron for sure. Also, the speed and maintenance differences are really shocking. A operation probably makes up the cost difference in just the greasing of the machine alone.
While I'm checking oils, servicing machinery, warming up engines, watching my bottom line, being efficient, put water in the tyres. I wait for you mate. Keep up the great work mate from New Zealand.
I appreciate the support from all the way over there mate. Cheers
Kind of funny to see someone else running a setup so similar to ours. We’re running a Bale Baron 4245p pulled by a Massey Ferguson 8732S. We’re in Illinois and I’ve never seen someone else running a Bale Baron anywhere near us
Great comparison of the two machines...I think you did justice to both of them in a tasteful way.. barons look like they will work great in your operation..I've heard of issues in the 21 bale bundles with moisture as well so I look forward to the video on that in the future.. keep up the good work ..there are so many small fundamental details built into your system that are overlooked that pay off big time when you get to the kind of scale you guys have.. awesome to see
Really enjoyed this video! You did a great job explaining and clearly showed the difference between the two machines. Thanks hope to see more in the future
Thanks for tuning in!
Love your comparison guys
WOW ! Great explanation and great video. Thank you team for staying back and shooting this. This video is like no other and will be a true asset to see what small square bale producers try out for bundling and what works for their operation. I think Barons are going to serve you guys well. I think you guys going from Thrower racks, to Arcusin to Baron really is remarkable when it comes to your operation. I think i remember the hay kings podcast you saying something along the lines of "the production of small square bales is a game changer when it comes to bundling" (
I appreciate your support! I was hoping that with this video many would see and be able to appreciate the differences in both machines. There are 100% operations where the arcusin is a great choice and operations where the baron is a better choice. We tried really hard to not be overly negative or positive towards a machine. Just show it how it is. The speed trial was a little hard to watch but there is more to these machines than speed
@@FarmingInsider agreed. Yes it was tough to watch since we have Arcusin but once I put that aside, the speed of the Baron is insane
Great comparison sir. Enjoyed the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
I can see how the baron would definitely be better in your situation where you have flat fields and crazy amount to get done but in our oddly shaped and hilly Fields and our smaller operation having a cheaper to buy and smaller tractor to run it make the arcusin right for our operation
Definitely all reason for a good choice that you made. I don’t think there is a wrong answer
@@FarmingInsider I can't wait for hay season so we can try out the new bundler
Pretty clear winner. Being able to get your hay off the field in close to 1/2 the time means a lot.
Speed is a huge consideration when purchasing one of these
@@FarmingInsider I only have a 75 acre hay field and have been looking at going to the arcusin just for the cost effective side or a older used baron. Thanks for sharing your time
Really interesting. We currently use a manual 14 bale packer (very labour intensive and slow) and I have looked at the Arcusin as our next step up. So very interesting to see your review and comparison to the Bale Barron. Thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks for checking it out
Great video. Interesting content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Basically it comes down to ground pressure and how much you can lift onto a trailer. My understanding is you can snatch up the BB packs with the more common direct clamp-flip bale collectors.
Baron makes bundles that fit the equipment hauling the product. They utilize almost every cubic foot a trailer offers. Not too wide, notto tall, and fill to the rear doors of a 53 foot van. Unless you ship nothing the accumulators are OK. The Bale Bandit uses wire straps that are forbidden on construction reclamation jobs. Loading BB bundles with the large strings exposed allows you to pull three bundles out at a time, keeping heavy unloading equipment off your trailer.
Before the test I figured the baron would be faster... but by how much faster it shocked me!
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good job, really like this type of video. But one has to keep in mind their operation. You did good at pointing that out. No one would dispute which one will get the job done faster. But the expense for the machine, the larger tractor, the larger handing equipment is huge as well. The weight would not work for our ground as well. Many fields would be to steep unless they come equipped with braking. Then we get to the middle row mold issues on the three layer bundles. Lots to consider beyond speed.
All very serious things to consider! I don’t think there is necessarily a right answer.
Completely agree with you! This video doesn’t show the strong points of the Arcusin bundler at all, they are just focused on speed…
Very good video now hopefully one day I can justify/ afford a baron for my operation.
Thank you!
*"tractors are for pulling stuff"* really is that simple so at the end of the day ditch the side by side for a 25hp TYM et al for pulling out ye olde 4 wheeled flat bed to load Your Perfect Bales is how I interpret that the most important comment made here as that's where the literal and proverbial *"rubber hits the road"* or hay product meets the consumer as a work product. Yes having high output big iron...with proper tire and rim needs noting (Mercedes Unimog by way of something different) but I agree in the end you're by that massive machine for highly specific type of work unless and until an acceptable array of implement attachments be created.
The attachments issue is simply not an issue for a 25hp tractor same said be true of the MB Unimog ... speaking of science and the importance of *EVIDENCE* as needed to validate *ANY* hypothesis no matter how seemingly trivial.
Are you playing on selling the Arcusin
So use a vertical grapple as I do. This eliminates the sag. I am very familiar with barron and would never go back to it. Clean one out after a bad bundle and you will agree. Also your bales are pushing the length. We stayed at 32". The E series Arcusin has 4 strings.
I would like to see a Bale Bandit vs. Bale Barron video.
Me too!
@@FarmingInsider you'd have to find a 'pickup' attachment for the Bandit. I think they are all 'Trail' models. I think I would say the Arcusin might beat the Bandit..... haha. Make it Happen @FarmingInsiderFarmTrials !
@@hammerhayllc field pickup can be bought directly from the manufacturer. I can consistently run a bale every 6 seconds through my bandit and it's 20 years old....
@@79terrafirma I might be wrong ! Would def love to see that video though
@@79terrafirmame too…..my bandits have their issues but I know them inside and out and usually get back up and running fairly quickly.
This has been the video I've been waiting for! We are looking at switching from our 10 wagon's to a bundle machine. Our biggest hold back is the quality of hay that comes out of the bundle after sitting in the barn. Guys around here are running acid on dry hay ( 10- 12%) to keep it from dusting since that middle row in the Barron bundle can't breathe. What have you seen with quality of hay? We are in MD so we can have some humid summers.
With the arcusins we ran dry preservative and were pretty fine with 15-17% hay. 18-19% jab occasionally didn’t make us nervous. With the baron we sprinkle preservative all the time and will not bale above 15%. Honestly 15% makes us a pinch uncomfortable. We are making some changes to our preservative program tho so I am hoping to see better results at some higher moisture
We have 4 customers that changed to the Arcusin Bale Bundler because their middle row got too much moisture and when the end customers received the 21 bale package and opened it, it was ruined! They are now doing 14 bale packages and will never go back to the 21. For your info, the E14 model that has been designed for the American market it is very different than the old model that Jeff is showing in the video! Which by the way, the machine is not well adjusted at all!
@@blancacusine9580 Arcusin technicians came out and adjusted the machines. The one day they spent close to 10 hours with us riding on all 3 machines. If we are doing this in the spirit of fairness, which we have tried to maintain the entire time. We’ve never made adjustments to the barons.
Would be intresting to compare an e14 as it had a new stuff and is supposed to make tighter bales the 2 real issues you mentioned
Great video. I would like to see a trial between a new holland baler and a massey. Or maybe a hustler rebaler against your messick one.
I would love to set that up
Would love to see a comparison of the JCB TM 220 against your telehandlers.
I would be happy to talk about them but we never intended for one to replace the other. The telehandlers are alot bigger machines than the TM 220
It would be interesting to see how much slower a "non high capacity" Baron would be. This Baron that you had can definitely pump out the bales and am curious what the performance differences are for them between the different models i.e. 4250 model
I was wondering the same thing, obviously this is a comparison of what they chose to do on their farm but I'd like to see an arcusin vs 4250p.
The only baron near me is a 4250, I've bought and sold a lot of baron bundles and man are they sweet to handle. I just converted over to a Norden system but hope to go to an arcusin in the future just don't like the idea of adding another pass through the field.
Good video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Do you get more heating problems and discoloured bales from the baron packs because the bales are packed tighter?
Absolutely. The baron requires a much dryer material. We weren’t aware of this when making the video. We had some issues in 3rd cutting
How do y'all sell yalls hay and straw? Do y'all have wholesale contracts or do y'all sell to other farms (and equine facility's)? Seems like alot of volume to have to market. Not looking for yalls precise numbers or anything just curious
Great content, and an interesting subject for farmers like me, thanks, you don't sound or act like a farmer , did you grow up on a farm? anyway , best of luck .
Did you guys consider hooking a Barron on behind the baler to replace a man and tractor ? That’s how most are run around here 20 mins away from marcrest
Lot more productive to run multiple balers and one single baron versus coupling the baron to the baler, not to mention less stress on the baler not pulling the baron and the ability to run a baron off a PTO pump with a tractor with less than stellar hydraulics versus having to have a pretty new pretty big tractor to have the hydraulics to run the baron to bale with. Once you have multiple balers running, the extra labor to run the baron on a separate tractor is more than offset by only owning one baron and running multiple balers per baron.
@@johndeere7245 Josh’s comment pretty much nailed our answer. This way we are 3 barons 6 balers
What’s the cost difference between the baron and arcusin. Liked the video.
A baron is around $155k and an Arcusin I think is around 92k-ish now
Although your "test" was very informative....... We used a Bale Bandi.....when we first started in business.......Though the Bandit is an excellant machine..... there s no comparison with the Baron.......Plus the banding is over $300.00 bucks a spool x2..........Ours as a 5250 T with a 3 point Hydralic kit in front of a MF 1840 in line.....That is a Smoot point because we operate mainly a Round to square under a shed rebale straight into a trailer.......We are a iddy biddy,, rinky dink operation....
What kind of acid/preservative do you use on your bales?
We use silo king
Do you know what your cost is to turn your big squares into small squares? We’re hay producers in western canada and are looking to change some stuff. Also does the silo king leave a residue in the bale? (White powder or anything like that?
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Did you try the e14 I think that would be a better comparison with a new baron, tighter bales and faster
We did not
@@FarmingInsider would be really infrared to see you guys getting an e14 on demo that would be a more upto date comparison. I think the baron would still win but maybe not trash the arcusin
How many smaller bales are in that big multipack bale?
I have also found the customer likes a 14 bale bundle. And I don't have opened bundles.
How many bales per hour with the Arcusin vs Bale Baron?
Do you think you'll sell any of the arcusin bundlers in the near future?
They are all sold
@@FarmingInsider okay thanks
You would think Hesston could modify one of their large balers to do something like this pretty easily.
Pretty good video. The baron is much better. 21 vise 14 on the other unit.
I would choose the bale baron better bundle and it faster in pickup speed.
That’s what we ultimately chose!
Next up bale bandit 210.
Send one out, we would be happy to try it
@@FarmingInsider we run bale bandit 100 model have for about 10yrs now. Great machine when they work right. Banding is extremely expensive now. I think its over a $1.00 per lb now. 2 roles only get you about 2500 to 2600 bales. Stick to twine its probably much cheaper one would assume.
I run the 100 model too directly behind my 1840. 2 rolls of banding runs me about $500. Good for 125 bundles.
Why not a krone multi bale. ?
The multi-bale bales are still a bit heavy and clunky for our market
What’s the price difference between the two machines?
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Maybe if you had both Tractors of identical model/ hp it would be more accurate
Wasn’t a perfect experiment but both are great fits for their respective machines
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Yea why not show the true ARCUSIN ADVANTAGE that the Arcusin can bundle bales at different length by any baler in your fleet that is two string. Something the baron lacks in a big way. We tested the ARCUSIN on balers from 1948-2020 and found the ARCUSIN the different bale lengths and chamber sizes fine. Baron failed as soon as bales had 3 inches difference in length. Because every farmer has someone who speed bales helping on operation or doesn’t have man power or extra equipment to run multiple Balers at the same time. Great Video you just didn’t use enough variables. So many different ways to make different size bales with so many Different baler manufactures.
I do touch on that at the end. The baron will only tolerate about a 30-37 inch bale from our experience. That is a huge advantage for the arcusin, but the different bale lengths don’t really apply to us, so I didn’t make it a huge deal. This was geared to our operation
@@FarmingInsider you didn’t touch on chamber size the bale baron will not handle 12x14 or 19x19 inch chamber sizes. Pretty much have to buy an in-line Massey baler to run a baron. Arcusin fits all balers and now with release of the E 14 the three string bales are included. If you’re going to be scientific, you got a put all the variables in. Kind of like project farm does.
I get at least 3 calls a week from potential customers asking me about my thoughts on the difference between these machines. I’m not scientific about those answers, we aren’t scientists we just evaluate how machines perform for our very specific circumstances. I just tried to give a visual representation with this video to the way 90% of the phone calls go. I didn’t want to manipulate anything beyond our typical circumstances.
As far as different chambers, I do not believe that is achievable all in the same field and machine. The machines chamber would need adjusted to hold the bales up if the terrain is at all rough
@@FarmingInsider Barber Farms Video used 4 different balers with different bale sizes and the D-14 bundled them all while switching rows with a different baler making the bales. 14x18 John Deere 24T IH 56 16x19 New Holland Super 77 16x18 and IH 425 14x18. I work on everything that bales for 34 years and yet to see anything that can bundle anything put to it. The New Holland Compact 65 bale had to adjust back gate in for 12x16 inch bale size. I’ve worked on lots of bale barons and they jam quick if bales don’t stay one size. The side hills of Waverly New York the ARCUSIN handles with ease. Bale baron find the wet spots and sinks fast. If it’s hook to the baler say bye bye to your bale chamber when you hit the many wet spots on the side hills.
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