Well said sir If I buy a car like this I want it as a drivers car should be with 3 pedals what’s a couple point faster compared to the connection you have with the car rowing thru those gears there is no substitute jus sayin
I have to agree with you. I love my Shadow Black Dark Horse and the Tremec 6 speed makes it so fun to drive. If I wanted a drag car, I would have bought a Demon.
I’m really tempted to get a 6 speed Dark Horse. I was a little let down by my test drive of the GT. The steering didn’t feel responsive enough. What your take on the difference between the GT and the Dark Horse?
Back in '89, I saw the then new Fox coupes go for $8,999 right off the dealer showroom... MAN, our grand kids won't be able to afford a vehicle, ice, hybrid or electric. 😔 Mornin every one.😁🍻
I bought a new GT back then and the sticker was just under $17K with A/C, power accessories, manual and a sunroof; an automatic would have been more $. I do remember the 1982-1984 GT being just under $10K without A/C and power accessories.
I ordered a new loaded to the gills 5.7 IROC back in 1987 @ $19993.00 That's the equivalent of $52,000+ in 2024. The cost isn't as bad as folks think. Things have came along way mechanically which has added alot more to vehicle cost, than just the cost of living adjustment.
Here in Zambia (Africa) were we don't have Mustangs, BMW M4 makes sense but if I were living in America I would definitely go for the Mustang Dark horse!.just listen to the rumble of that NA Coyote V8!!😮
I've always wanted a Mustang, never had the opportunity to own one. (I was about to buy one in 2005 when we learned we were expecting, lol--got my 0-60 in human form😁) I WANT THIS MUSTANG!!!!
I have loved the mustang since a kid.. this one is 1600lbs heavier than a fox body and nearly a 2ft longer.. and is actually closer in total size to a lincoln town car.. That's one fat pony.. 😂
This car looks amazing and sound like a beast! The fact it is offered with a V8 and a 6-speed manual is a big win for me. I hope to one day own one. Well done Ford!
The screens were a research topic on how to make more younger audience buy the car. But at 70k no one younger is buying this. That said it's a good evolution of the s550 chassis and I'm happy we still get a manual v8. Hey Ford? Where's the manual ecoboost hipo?? 😅 I never got my order
They should have the option to order a MT82 transmission if you want one for the ecoboost. Why? Because driving manual transmission Mustangs should not be limited to the V8 buyers. At least offer the option. It isn’t like the assembly line can’t do it.
I got my Dark Horse Premium this week. Put about 350 miles on her. AMAZING car. Make sure you get the tunes and the Recaro seats! $76k out the door...plus I added a little extra warranty for $2250 more. I went with the standard. Have fun.
The depth of David's emotions and his ability to put it into words then sing it so genuinely that it gets inside you and you feel it right along with him, is nearly other worldly. Thank you David for music that actually means something!
Great review, and also this was the only review I've seen that really celebrated just how cool it is to have a truly new special model - not throwback Boss etc. Coming from the legendary John Davis who was there for all of them throughout the decades, it does take that kind of wisdom to show us kids just how cool something like that really is! :-)
The issue I have with this car, as someone who has owned 4 Mustangs is my GT500 cost HALF as much as this car when it was new. I'm factoring in the $15-20K markup that all of these have.That's insane. You're better off buying a used GT350, if you want manual, which ya should, or a GT500. Honestly, the only S650 that seems appealing to me is a base model, no option GT. That's still $45,000. Then again, these "young people" cars have been priced out of young people for over 20 years.
i just got a 2024 Mustang GT Performance 6 speed in Red. Love it, compliments my 2020 Subaru STi. The rear brembos on my mustang are the same size as the front brakes on my STI it seems . 😁
You are probly correct.. but yeah mustang has more horse power you need all that stoping power to bring this horse to a stop… damn how did you go from a great handling car to a possibly im all over the road coz i got too much torque and horse power lol..
1990 Mustang LX 5.0 with a Vortech supercharger and GT40 heads and exhaust. 3100 lbs. $21K with everything. had to put slicks on it to have any chance to hook up at the track.
I just can't get behind how the screens sit in the dash. Also, for the money, I would gladly take a gently used C7 Z06. I feel that is an easy choice unless you really just want a Mustang, which is cool too.
The Dark Horse is a great looking car with amazing performance, but with the insane price tag and the touch screens everywhere, I'll stick with my '22 Mach 1, thank you!
This car weighs nearly 3,900 pounds and it has a 500 hp 418 pft and it still hits 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and covers the quarter mile in 12.7 that's incredible for any car that weighs that much
These are off motor trend got 3.7 0-60 and 12 flat in the quartermile. There are plenty of UA-camrs confirming same; these guys are either high in elevation or terrible at driving.
That's why people will still buy 1LE's, Chevrolet knew to put everything that goes with a track package in from the start. Imagine spending 65k and it doesn't have the "handling pack". But kudos to Ford for not discontinuing their iconic V8 sports car that you can get in a manual. LOOKING AT YOU GM...
I have had Flowmaster Outlaw, Borla S type, Solo street race, AWE Touring and finally my Corsa extreme on my 5.0 mustang and even though I really liked the flowmaster Outlaws I just couldn't get used to the drone so that's why I settled on Corsa with there No drone technology! ;)
This price for a Mustang that doesn't have a Shelby name and number right next to it is ludicrous. You can get a used 911, Z06, Supra, ZL1, and Hellcat, and the list goes on. It's not only about speed and number, but reliability, value, and collectibility.
I bought a brand new '20 Camaro ZL1 in 2019 for $60k right before pandemic hit. I understand it was over 4 years ago but charging people over $60k today for a Mustang GT with a cool new name, cloth seats and some factory handling upgrades sounds crazy to me. Nice car though. Just way overpriced imo.
Would give serious consideration to the Dark Horse, except, a) Local Dealer has a $5,000 “Addendum” & b) the iPad dash 🤢 - I’ll be hanging onto my 2018 S550 GT Premium w/ PP1. Happy Motoring 🇺🇸🤠
Beatiful Mustang... but for a total investment of ~$40k, I have a 2016 Mustang GT (purchased new 9 years ago) with a dealer installed Roush Phase 2 supercharger and exhaust putting out 750 crank horsepower.
12:17 quarter mile? I would expected at least 11:19 for the money. I bought my 87 Foxbody at 225 HP. With 100 hp. kit of nitrous I ran exactly 12:17 back in 1989. I love Mustangs. but it just seems silly to me, for the money. I had a total of 12,000 bucks in my car.
My 83 Mustang 5.0 Convertible cost $16,000 new. Bought it off the showroom floor. My 85 Bronco ll cost me $16,000 new also. So don't remember 89 5.0s for under $10,000 new.
I find it so odd how so many of you think this is a good price for basically a Mustang GT. Its $65k+ people! That is a lot of money! Stop telling yourself this is a bargain. It isn't!
We don't run them when we do track testing at Roebling. We answered this recently on the last episode of our podcast but the short of it is that the heavy braking and cornering that we do on the track allows us to get the impressions we need. And with time constraints due to TV, they would likely get cut anyways due to redundancy. The tests are certainly more important when we are not track testing cars. Hope that explains it!
Multiple magazines said it’s the best breaking car they’ve ever tested. Motortrend had it stop at 86 feet which beat the previous record held by the 911 GT2 RS.
It’s nice to see the Mustang evolve into a real world class contender. My only nitpick is the “Coyote” name for the engine, as that has nothing to do with the horse theme..unless there is some weird historical Ford reason for this.
Interesting that you guys didn't include the handling package price. Either way, the Darkhorse ( glorified GT Mustang) price is absurd. In 2021 you could get a 760hp, DCT, superchard GT500 for the same price as a premium Darkhorse with Handling package. So who's paying you guys to leave out the *as shown* car you guys tested ?
Sorry, I'll take a ZL-1 Camaro any day. The exterior styling of the Dark horse looks similar to the Camaro. I have to give Ford credit on the interior, and the upgraded dash and electronics is killer.
Camaros are crappy little pillboxes with horrible visibility. That's why Chevy is stopping production (again) of the Camaro - sales are awful. But - they could come back as an EV.
You know... back in 2005, Ford introduced a Mustang that - after decades of "evolution" - looked more like a Mustang than it had in many years. They should do that again.
Well that was pretty much a base mustang ( not a trim like dark horse or Mach One) also that was 10yrs ago…….. it’s still hard for me personally to process that 2014 was 10 freaking year ago!!! That’s wild! Time flys
John David. My favorite car reviewer from the 80's, 90's, 2000's, 2010's, and the 2020's.
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I Hope He Make to 2031 For MW 50th Anniversary. (smile)
*Davis.
Love my tremec 6-speed dark horse. I don’t care if the auto is faster bc the 6-speed is so much more fun to drive!
Smart man.
Due to a disability, I have to drive the 10R80 version of the DH. Not as visceral as the MT, but still as much fun!
Well said sir If I buy a car like this I want it as a drivers car should be with 3 pedals what’s a couple point faster compared to the connection you have with the car rowing thru those gears there is no substitute jus sayin
I have to agree with you. I love my Shadow Black Dark Horse and the Tremec 6 speed makes it so fun to drive. If I wanted a drag car, I would have bought a Demon.
I’m really tempted to get a 6 speed Dark Horse. I was a little let down by my test drive of the GT. The steering didn’t feel responsive enough. What your take on the difference between the GT and the Dark Horse?
Honestly, John is the only one at MotorWeek who does right. Thank you again, John!
Thanks John Davis for sticking around and giving us your fantastic commentary! I've been watching you since the 80's.
I Hope He Around in 2031 For the 50th Anniversary of Motorweek
Back in '89, I saw the then new Fox coupes go for $8,999 right off the dealer showroom... MAN, our grand kids won't be able to afford a vehicle, ice, hybrid or electric. 😔 Mornin every one.😁🍻
Yeah, these prices are ridiculous.
I bought a new GT back then and the sticker was just under $17K with A/C, power accessories, manual and a sunroof; an automatic would have been more $. I do remember the 1982-1984 GT being just under $10K without A/C and power accessories.
I would much rather have the Fox body Michael Douglas drove in Basic Instinct over this hunk of plastic fantastic.
Inflation, bro.
I ordered a new loaded to the gills 5.7 IROC back in 1987 @ $19993.00
That's the equivalent of $52,000+ in 2024.
The cost isn't as bad as folks think. Things have came along way mechanically which has added alot more to vehicle cost, than just the cost of living adjustment.
"It's name is dark horse, that is far from black sheep!" lol
John Davis still at it after more than 40 years.
I know it never gets old
I mean he is reading from a script
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It's so good to know that Davis is fine and great! Thanks for the video!
Yes he the Mister Rogers for adults. Not ready to retire until he’s ready to. John’s gonna turn 80 next week.
I remember watching the early shows in the 80s with my dad.
While we appreciate your loyal support of the show, we do want to correct that John's birthday is April 22nd and he will not be turning 80.
@@davidaubin3902Enjoy him still doing this. I doubt he'll be doing it too much longer. Will be a sad day when he decides hes done
Here in Zambia (Africa) were we don't have Mustangs, BMW M4 makes sense but if I were living in America I would definitely go for the Mustang Dark horse!.just listen to the rumble of that NA Coyote V8!!😮
I WANT A FORD MUSTANG DARK HORSE THIS YEAR!! WHAT A STUNNING VALUE FOR UNDER 100K.😮
I've always wanted a Mustang, never had the opportunity to own one. (I was about to buy one in 2005 when we learned we were expecting, lol--got my 0-60 in human form😁) I WANT THIS MUSTANG!!!!
I have loved the mustang since a kid.. this one is 1600lbs heavier than a fox body and nearly a 2ft longer.. and is actually closer in total size to a lincoln town car..
That's one fat pony.. 😂
I own a 94 MKVIII, which I adore. When street parked it's one of the smaller cars on the block. Never would have seen that coming, LOL. Cheers.
I guess due to obesity Of North Americans it followed suit.
1600lbs? I know it's heavier but it's not THAT much heavier. A little over half that at most from some cursory research.
And TONS better than a fox body. Not even close
@@robertriegel5000 You've never driven one.. or you'd know..
This car looks amazing and sound like a beast! The fact it is offered with a V8 and a 6-speed manual is a big win for me. I hope to one day own one. Well done Ford!
The screens were a research topic on how to make more younger audience buy the car. But at 70k no one younger is buying this. That said it's a good evolution of the s550 chassis and I'm happy we still get a manual v8. Hey Ford? Where's the manual ecoboost hipo?? 😅 I never got my order
They should have the option to order a MT82 transmission if you want one for the ecoboost. Why? Because driving manual transmission Mustangs should not be limited to the V8 buyers. At least offer the option. It isn’t like the assembly line can’t do it.
I got my Dark Horse Premium this week. Put about 350 miles on her. AMAZING car. Make sure you get the tunes and the Recaro seats! $76k out the door...plus I added a little extra warranty for $2250 more. I went with the standard. Have fun.
The depth of David's emotions and his ability to put it into words then sing it so genuinely that it gets inside you and you feel it right along with him, is nearly other worldly. Thank you David for music that actually means something!
Great to see John Davis looking fantastic! MotorWeek is must see tv, my dad and I have been watching for over 35 years. Keep up the excellent work!
Love this car,, saw it in person at our local Caffeine and Octane I fell in love 🥰 that new dark horse badging is ♨️♨️🔥🔥☄️☄️
We have the DH and we love how they sound handle and stop . They’re not as quick as the RS3 i had but then again the DH is naturally aspirated.
I'd always be ok with sacrificing a few tenths to have the 6 speed manual.
Great review, and also this was the only review I've seen that really celebrated just how cool it is to have a truly new special model - not throwback Boss etc. Coming from the legendary John Davis who was there for all of them throughout the decades, it does take that kind of wisdom to show us kids just how cool something like that really is! :-)
I was against the new Mustang's design, but it's growing on me. Those wheels are straight pimp juice💪
That paint is incredible
I love the Camaro, but Ford has done a ripper job with this.
You like this because ford took the looks of the Camaro
You can probably still see out of this better than a Camaro though 😂
Bought an 23' ss 1le for 10 grand less and the same performance. Dark horse is a hell of a car though. Glad Ford is still doing the V8 manual muscle.
ripper as in ripoff. beautiful car but way too expensive.
The issue I have with this car, as someone who has owned 4 Mustangs is my GT500 cost HALF as much as this car when it was new. I'm factoring in the $15-20K markup that all of these have.That's insane. You're better off buying a used GT350, if you want manual, which ya should, or a GT500. Honestly, the only S650 that seems appealing to me is a base model, no option GT. That's still $45,000. Then again, these "young people" cars have been priced out of young people for over 20 years.
You're 100% right! The prices these days are insane. I've all but given up hope for getting a Mustang anymore.
Inflation hit different.
Bought my DH three days ago ... zero markup.
Inflation is a beyotch 🤷🏼♂️
i just got a 2024 Mustang GT Performance 6 speed in Red. Love it, compliments my 2020 Subaru STi. The rear brembos on my mustang are the same size as the front brakes on my STI it seems . 😁
You are probly correct.. but yeah mustang has more horse power you need all that stoping power to bring this horse to a stop… damn how did you go from a great handling car to a possibly im all over the road coz i got too much torque and horse power lol..
2:50 that top end engine note🤌🏿
1990 Mustang LX 5.0 with a Vortech supercharger and GT40 heads and exhaust. 3100 lbs. $21K with everything. had to put slicks on it to have any chance to hook up at the track.
I just bought one, amazing and scary cars
I just can't get behind how the screens sit in the dash. Also, for the money, I would gladly take a gently used C7 Z06. I feel that is an easy choice unless you really just want a Mustang, which is cool too.
Would be cool to see a combined video with every Mustang John Davis has reviewed over the years.
I love mine! Only thing I'm adding to the looks is Anderson Composite carbon fiber front splitter and rear spoiler.
John Davis truly made a big hit once again! Never stop since 1980s🙏
500hp to run a high 12's is a little disappointing, but I guess you can only do so much with a heavier curb weight.
Haven't gotten used to that new grille yet.
Long live John Davis don't know what I would I do with him on the show
Haha motor week probably don't either
The Dark Horse is a great looking car with amazing performance, but with the insane price tag and the touch screens everywhere, I'll stick with my '22 Mach 1, thank you!
This car weighs nearly 3,900 pounds and it has a 500 hp 418 pft and it still hits 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and covers the quarter mile in 12.7 that's incredible for any car that weighs that much
The RCF was getting these exact numbers back in 2015 and people trashed it! It weighs just as much.
These are off motor trend got 3.7 0-60 and 12 flat in the quartermile. There are plenty of UA-camrs confirming same; these guys are either high in elevation or terrible at driving.
@@jeffkelly9197 I'll pick door number 2.
“This ain’t a one trick pony”
I could write for Motorweek
Badass video 🎉🎉❤❤
Badass car! The front end is menacing 💥
That's why people will still buy 1LE's, Chevrolet knew to put everything that goes with a track package in from the start. Imagine spending 65k and it doesn't have the "handling pack". But kudos to Ford for not discontinuing their iconic V8 sports car that you can get in a manual. LOOKING AT YOU GM...
Unfortunately.... unless the political winds from Washington really change, the 1LEs won't be around... it's EV time, boys & girls!
Best of the year?
That's easy when the competition is extinct.😅
The best exhaust system for the 5.0 is the Flowmaster Outlaw.
I have had Flowmaster Outlaw, Borla S type, Solo street race, AWE Touring and finally my Corsa extreme on my 5.0 mustang and even though I really liked the flowmaster Outlaws I just couldn't get used to the drone so that's why I settled on Corsa with there No drone technology! ;)
@@Texas_C8 extreme cat back?
@@310Cowboys Yes the extreme cat back Sir.
@@Texas_C8 oh shit! Then it’s worth it
John Davis has seen the massive evolution of the mustang: now horsepower about quadruple what it was when he first started motor week.
Like your reviews John
This price for a Mustang that doesn't have a Shelby name and number right next to it is ludicrous. You can get a used 911, Z06, Supra, ZL1, and Hellcat, and the list goes on. It's not only about speed and number, but reliability, value, and collectibility.
I bought a brand new '20 Camaro ZL1 in 2019 for $60k right before pandemic hit. I understand it was over 4 years ago but charging people over $60k today for a Mustang GT with a cool new name, cloth seats and some factory handling upgrades sounds crazy to me. Nice car though. Just way overpriced imo.
Would give serious consideration to the Dark Horse, except, a) Local Dealer has a $5,000 “Addendum” & b) the iPad dash 🤢 - I’ll be hanging onto my 2018 S550 GT Premium w/ PP1. Happy Motoring 🇺🇸🤠
How does Motorweek only have 453k subscribers?
how is the 0-60 for the dark horse considerably worse than the 0-60 for a z06 even though the dark horse has more power? is it the grip on the road?
Beatiful Mustang... but for a total investment of ~$40k, I have a 2016 Mustang GT (purchased new 9 years ago) with a dealer installed Roush Phase 2 supercharger and exhaust putting out 750 crank horsepower.
I hate touch screens, but this thing looks amazing! (2019 Mustang GT owner)
I agree. Probably the first one I like.
How does this look remotely cool? Besides the fact they are charginf the hell of it for a $1 tech
70k+ for a mustang....and is not event a Shelby....what a time to be alive!
Awesome car as always Ford power forever baby l love it
That spoilers aftermarket sales are gonna make $$$$$$#.
12:17 quarter mile? I would expected at least 11:19 for the money. I bought my 87 Foxbody at 225 HP. With 100 hp. kit of nitrous I ran exactly 12:17 back in 1989. I love Mustangs. but it just seems silly to me, for the money. I had a total of 12,000 bucks in my car.
Fantastic video
I think a Stage 3 Roush is better for the price and performance
Until you drive a Dark Horse. Have fun.
With the Roush you still have a shit transmission. And non forged engine internals.
My 83 Mustang 5.0 Convertible cost $16,000 new. Bought it off the showroom floor. My 85 Bronco ll cost me $16,000 new also. So don't remember 89 5.0s for under $10,000 new.
It's performance numbers are in the same ballpark as the Terminator Cobras from 03-04.
Has a great look & sounds good
I find it so odd how so many of you think this is a good price for basically a Mustang GT. Its $65k+ people! That is a lot of money! Stop telling yourself this is a bargain. It isn't!
Beautiful car!
John Davis is a superstar !! He’s the only one I like on Motor Week !!
That has got to be the coolest color on Brembo calipers in the world. What color is that??
If I trade in my PP2 for an S650 it’s definitely gotta be this exact spec minus the automatic. I’d go for the manual.
What Motorweek has not mentioned, for a complete review! The fit-and-finish issues. And, dependability issues!
They don't do that. You'll have to fabricate your own myths.
Had one, sold it six months later! Bought a Porsche 911 Carrera instead.
The styling hasn't grown on me yet. You can see it is wider and is probably more comfortable, but the dash is kinda...I love the exhaust note though.
Ford did it right with the 2024 Mustang 🐎
I would love to have that exhaust on my F-150 5.0.
What is the 60-0 distance and no slalom run? I'd be very interested in seeing the results
We don't run them when we do track testing at Roebling. We answered this recently on the last episode of our podcast but the short of it is that the heavy braking and cornering that we do on the track allows us to get the impressions we need. And with time constraints due to TV, they would likely get cut anyways due to redundancy. The tests are certainly more important when we are not track testing cars. Hope that explains it!
Multiple magazines said it’s the best breaking car they’ve ever tested. Motortrend had it stop at 86 feet which beat the previous record held by the 911 GT2 RS.
Proof that American muscle is nowhere near dead.
Glorified Mustang GT!
To be fair, all special edition 5.0 Mustangs are “glorified” GTs. That doesn’t mean they’re bad by any means.
Can it be tuned yet?
It’s nice to see the Mustang evolve into a real world class contender. My only nitpick is the “Coyote” name for the engine, as that has nothing to do with the horse theme..unless there is some weird historical Ford reason for this.
Nice video
12.7??? What’s that? A 14 gt did that, same with 18s hit mid 12s….
Cold weather and traction issues mentioned right in the video.
This Mustang looks 10x better in person,..I just can’t justify these new vehicle prices!
Sorry I will proudly keep my 2003 10th anniversary terminator. Can't beat the blower whine
lol it’s not even comparable to each other. Two totally different cars.
Interesting that you guys didn't include the handling package price. Either way, the Darkhorse ( glorified GT Mustang) price is absurd. In 2021 you could get a 760hp, DCT, superchard GT500 for the same price as a premium Darkhorse with Handling package.
So who's paying you guys to leave out the *as shown* car you guys tested ?
watch again, he mentions the differences in packages and prices
They need the dark horse line to stay that is a bad ass name for a car
Nice Stang! ❤❤❤
Sorry, I'll take a ZL-1 Camaro any day. The exterior styling of the Dark horse looks similar to the Camaro.
I have to give Ford credit on the interior, and the upgraded dash and electronics is killer.
Camaros are crappy little pillboxes with horrible visibility. That's why Chevy is stopping production (again) of the Camaro - sales are awful. But - they could come back as an EV.
500-HP and 418 Lb-ft? What would happen if put that into the big BRONCO?
Probably feel sluggish due to not enough torque.
@@justme307 That’s a good point.
4:17 available only as a coupe? I’ve never seen a Mustang sedan.
He means the dark horse doesn't come with a convertible option
Awesome machine
Throw the available Whipple SC on there and it’s a savage.
for 70K+ it's a horrible value
Its not always about value if you can afford it ... ;)
John Davis sounded different on this video. Fighting a cold?
More respect for this model over the Shelby because it did not have to be shipped off to Vegas for upgrades.
This version feels like the modern day 5.0 Mustang 🤓
Classy elegance
My acura integra type s with a 2.0 runs a 13.8 sec 1/4 mile
I would prefer a 2025 Mustang Boss 302. 😎😎😎
You know... back in 2005, Ford introduced a Mustang that - after decades of "evolution" - looked more like a Mustang than it had in many years. They should do that again.
The best American Performance car
Wow my 2014 GT premium, not track package, was $35k brand new. Times have changed!
Well that was pretty much a base mustang ( not a trim like dark horse or Mach One) also that was 10yrs ago…….. it’s still hard for me personally to process that 2014 was 10 freaking year ago!!! That’s wild! Time flys
35k in 2014 is 45k in todays money accounting for inflation. Which is what a base GT goes for nowadays.
The Katy Perry edition.
How is John Davis still doing this??? Hats off
Missed out on "Black Stallion" branding.
That moment you realize the Mustang outlived both the Challenger and Camaro for the last time.