@@sergescardignohey! Dig the content. I was wondering if those chord diagrams you show towards the end of the video are your own custom diagrams or did you happen to pull them from a website? Just wondering because that would be such a useful tool to add to the belt. Thanks!
Most bands I get tired of listening too nonstop after a year or so. But I’ve been nonstop listening to Pinegrove for like 3 years now and never get tired. I think it’s safe to say this is one of my top bands of my life
no way i was just watching your videos to find videos of FOD and i just saw your comment while listening to pine grove live performances lmao. that’s sick that you like them and moto
i feel like pinegrove has introduced a lot of country elements to a scene which previously did NOT embrace country elements. i NEVER thought i would like something so country, but their usage of it is truly masterful.
hey! I guess this is slightly contradictory to my "pause and read", but it seems like there was enough interest here for maybe another one of these. I was looking to make the channel slightly less tech focused anyway, and I think this could be an interesting place to start that. kindly hit that subscribe button if you're interested! helps out a bunch :)
Enjoyed this - thank you. I find Pinegrove so sonically interesting that it never seems to get old. You can listen to Pinegrove records regularly for months and they still sound great.
I just doubled my knowledge of music theory from this one video, and got 4 songs down. Excellent use of concrete examples. Great work being accessible, actually showing the chords, as I was able to pause and play while watching.
when i found pinegrove, i found them off of midwest emo & pop punk spotify so i'm partial to the idea that they're more midwest than indie. either way, i love how they're not a single genere but more of a blend! my all time favorite band !
This was so useful in finding out why my brain loves this band so much, thanks! A part of their value is how hard it is to find another band that fills the same void as this one!
Happy I stumbled upon this! I love Pinegrove, and their music is great! As a music enthusiast for many years, I love watching videos breaking down the theory behind my favorite music!
pinegrove songs just have a sound that brings about nostalgia to me. i'm not sure where it comes from but I can't help but to think about my childhood when I listen to their songs
true, i think nostalgia is the agreed upon adjective by most pinegrove fans - i think it’s just timbre and lyric selection coming together in a nice way
haha trust me, there are lots of people who do this way better than me, but I'm glad you enjoyed! maybe I'll take a look at some other artists I'm into in the future if there's enough interest :-)
Love that you mentioned that the songs are written "for guitar." It's one of the first things I noticed when playing the songs, the voicings and progressions flow so easily on the guitar with little usage of alternate tunings
Love this video! My only nitpick is how Everything so Far is so often treated as one album when it's really a compilation featuring several distinct eras of Pinegrove, including their real first album (Meridian) and 3 EPs. Recognizing these as separate projects paints a richer picture of how they developed their sound; contrast the lush, abstract approach they took on & to the more stripped back Mixtape 2 where they first really embraced the direct, vulnerable lyrical style they're known for today It's not as big of a sonic change as the albums you covered, and I understand the video can only be so long, but it's an era of Pinegrove I love so I thought I'd point it out!
This is cool, like an academic study of PG. I listen to all the mentioned genres, so it's making a lot more sense why their music is on my daily playlist.
not even done with the video but this is insanely good content man. earned my sub for sure, it's nice to see breakdowns like this for music outside of the box
thank ya :-)) while I'm not necessarily a music channel, I did enjoy doin this, so I'll definitely come back to another artist I like sometime soon :-)
Loved your commentary, they're one of my favs right now. I would say aphasia is a LOT more than just love and loss lyrics. The song is about aphasia quite literally. It's about overcoming the inability to speak and the way it feels for the words to just start flowing after months to years of silence.
You packed in so much great analysis via 8 songs. I really appreciate your concise breakdown of each. Altogether great content and amazing subject, hope to see more!
Great video! I especially appreciated your emphasis on Pinegrove's unique dynamic structure. As a musician myself, I sometimes get tripped up into thinking that every song needs to have a certain amount of chord changes or fancy voicings to make it special. But as you show, the feeling put into each song is what gives it its unique character. Everyone puts little flares of inspiration from their favorite artists into their work until they eventually develop a sound of their own. Hope the finals went well! Peace!
I love how you try to pin this band into categories. This is a way of listening to music I am not familiar with but I appreciate your interpretation. This is great.
Well done my friend. Don't know how I stumbled onto this link but it was a perfect introduction to what appears to be some great stuff. I'm a fellow musician and I enjoyed how you broke it down. Simple and concise. I love me some dags so I was hooked the moment I saw the star of the video was a black lab with a greying chinbeard. Do yourself a favor and check out the first 3 albums by A.A. Bondy. The progression from his first into American Hearts and then Believers is quite a journey. His newest stuff is quite the curveball but hey, he's an artist what do I expect hahaha. Enjoy.
Fantastic video man, really interesting analysis and I love the way you presented it. I’ve been captivated by Pinegrove and it’s really cool to see a concise explanation of the key techniques here
As someone who has really been into Pinegrove for the past 2 years, this was a super enjoyable video to watch. You really know your stuff, and it was a pleasure to hear somebody dissect and analyze their songwriting in the way that you did.
@@sergescardigno Your description of their genre-blending was on point too. I never know how to describe them to people haha. I usually just say indie emo country, but you really put their genre blend into context nicely.
sergio. Im a huge fan of your videos. 1. Thank you for creating beautiful, accessible, great content for the music lover with an insatiable appetite for all things music. 2. You know so much about music theory, what recommendations to you have to broaden that knowledge. because 3. I write songs too, and I feel like i can only benefit from understanding the harmonic bedrock of progressions, or to even understand what I harmonically tend to in the over 30 songs i've already written. Sincerely, a friend, fan, and fellow traveler.
Thank you for this video! Just got hooked on this band a few months ago. I totally agree with your analysis. Interesting that you did not even mention Old Friends to talk about their style! Love Big Thief too. So I will listen to your video on them.
I was trying to figure out the acoustic version of Phase and ended up stumbling on your video and really enjoying this. You really threw some nice words around that ineffable quality that makes them special as a band. I'd like to see more of these dissections of sound and diving into what makes a band sonically interesting n such.
Haha thank you! Ah idk I'm debating - I think she definitely writes her solo stuff noticeably different than BOCC stuff, so it might be a tough parallel to draw. Although I do personally bop to BOCC a lot more :)
I agree so much with your assessment! I don't really like "indie" or "emo" music too much.. but like you I see them (Evan) as an extension of the singer songwriter genre. What keeps me coming back to their music is the fantastic songwriting.
I love your commentary an I agree with you all the way but my only critique is that even though the cowboy chords in the song “neighbor” may make it the bands most country “song” I feel that their tiny desk concert is the most country they ever sounded and is my favorite set list... It’s dat banjo that really drives it home!
Good video, I would also argue a huge part of my synthesis of Pine grove is the way they use totally unique ideas for unison accents! I.e. listen to “Days” where they go to a fortissimo dynamic and use a quarter note pulse in a 6/8 time feel starting on the six so the first measure of each two-bar idea is played straight and the second sounds incredibly syncopated and very interesting! They make brilliant use of rhythmic dissonance. A few more microcosms of this concept would be how the my accent the “&” of two when Evan comes in with the vocals in verse two of “Angelina”. They do something very similar on “Peeling off the Bark” (I realize I’m highlighting some of their earliest discography but it’s just such a cool sound”, where they also use odd time signatures in a cool way. As opposed to in jazz or progressive music where a song might be written in an odd time signature, Pinegrove fits the time signature around the melodic idea. For example in the last song I mentioned in the coda of the song where the chord progression changes (which is maybe my favorite example of Pinegrove harmony as well), the band plays a motif that lasts two bars of 4/4 and then use one bar of 3 to turnaround into the next phrase. They do this on “over my shoulder”. I also love the little phase flip during the accelerando in the bridge of “visiting” where the drums switch from unusually accenting the 1 & 3 with the snare to hitting the snare in back to back beats to imply a move to double time and then releasing that rhythmic dissonance by lining up the snare on 2 & 4 again. I feel like a HUGE part of earlier Pinegrove is their rhythmic ideas that really are unique to them and only them. I’m curious how much drummer Zach Levine has to do with that behind the scenes, in my experience those are often ideas that drummers have because they just get so fucking bored playing regular beats behind the set lol
lmao really great ideas here!! but yes i’m not sure zach is really thinking about it on this deep a level - since it’s mostly singer-songwriter material, a LOT revolves around that melody, including the rhythm as you said. it’s a lot of familiar time signatures most of the time, but with breaks here and there to fit vocal phrasing - just one of a bunch of techniques they use to amplify what Evan writes :)
This is exactly what I was thinking about while watching this! Over the last two albums I was able to find some little subtle decorations in the rhythmic section of their songs like how the drums in “rings” stay in the same tempo and dynamic and every other instrument fades away (which they even perfect in the live version), and the syncopation on the and of the beat in “the alarmist” near the end (3.38 mark), but I do feel that the older content had a good amount of rhythmic decorations that were so refreshing to add onto the simplistic chord harmonies The beginning of “Cadmium” in Cardinal also has the band behind the beat of the drums which they do live pretty well!
@@guillermoaranda4006 Great observations! Admittedly as I move forward in time in their discography I'm less familiar with each album, I still really enjoy Marigold and Skylight but the first two albums spoke to me on a way deeper level, thanks for the input with Alarmist, Cadmium, and Rings, I wasn't considering those songs but I love them all!
Subscribed my friend - been super into music theory and harmonic usage has been a part that I'm trying to make more connections with and Pinegrove is one of my all time favorite bands. This felt super digestible for some learning while also breaking down what makes the songs so great. Plus just watched some other videos and you cover a ton of great music and topics! Best of luck - love your stuff. Will be watching more! Cheers!
I don’t want to throw shade but if you do one of these again, give some love to the lyric. It’s a massive part of the Pinegrove thing and whilst I accept you might not actively tune into the poetry of a band, you probably need to step into that world a bit to truly deconstruct
haha no i totally agree man - this was just an assignment for a class, so i had to focus on the music theory more than anything else. if it was just for me and for fun i definitely would’ve dove into that more!
Nice vid, just stumbled on this channel as I just found Pinegrove and have been going down the rabbit hole. I just learned Aphasia acoustic and definitely see what you mean about the cowboy chords and them being close and easy to transition to. I'm a beginner when it comes to music theory, so it's interesting to see you point out theoretical reasoning behind the obvious jazz and country undertones that are so easy to hear but tough for me to put my finger on. I will say, I personally think Evan would be just as successful solo. I think the most unique and alluring part of this band are the lyrics, and the delivery of them. That is more on display during singer/songwriter type performances, and it's no surprise that Pinegrove's most popular songs like Old Friends and Aphasia have amazing solo acoustic versions on UA-cam, both of which have more views than any of their other songs. Anyway, hope the final went well!
ty!! yeah i think if you’re getting into songwriting at any point, learning these songs is easy, fun, and can teach you a lot. sure maybe evan would be successful solo, but idk having seen them live a lot and the chemistry they have, i don’t think i’d wanna break that up yk
@@sergescardigno Good point, and to be fair, the old friends acoustic video that is really popular is actually not solo, he's got a guy on the synth adding a lot of depth to the performance. Some points he's not even playing guitar. I should try to check these guys out live one day, once shows are actually going on again :(
Love this video dude. I think you unpack the songs in a way that make them so approachable while appreciating the complexity of instrumentation and musicianship. The only thing I disagree on is you saying it’s unfortunate that marigold has less banjo. I personally love it a little more for that reason. I feel like the use of the banjo in pinegrove music, although beautiful, was always a grasp at a “we’re a folky band” vibe. But I think you sum up the true essence of pinegrove with your conclusion that it’s more singer songwriter with instrumentation highlighting the extra stuff. Really thoughtful analysis of an incredible band. Thank for sharing this ♥️
Wow, thanks a ton for this, means a lot :). I personally love the vibe of marigold still even without banjo, and totally understand what you're sayin. I guess I'm just a little partial to the older stuff, and the banjo thus has a slightly more nostalgic context for how I discovered them, if that makes sense.
@@Heisenbrick so weird that toy replied to this today because I was on a run and randomly thought about this comment I left on this video and about how I think I’d go back now and maybe take back my statement about the banjo. Maybe it was after watching Amperland, NY that sold the banjo Pinegrove vibe to me. I’m definitely way more into it now.
Hey Sergio! UA-cam recommended this video to me, so either the algorithm knows we went to high school together, or you're really on the right track getting popular. Great video!
haha hey andrew! appreciate it a bunch 🙏🏼, hoping to see tallest man again with you as soon as possible :) (i just realized it was actually with sami and jesse but still would love to have you there next time lol)
@@sergescardigno I clicked instantly because Pinegrove is one of my favorite bands of all time. I cannot wait for the day I get to see TTMOE again. I think we saw each other at Fleet Foxes in the city once! Always good to see ya dude.
everything so far is a collection of cohesive albums! problems-need 2 is “mixtape two”, namesake-unison is “&”, palisade-sunday is “meridian” and on jet lag and days are “mixtape one”. i know you acknowledged their ten year discography but it’s just a lil pet peeve of mine when people don’t talk about the album and eps that make up everything so far. great vid!!
Great video dude, super interesting and well done! You could to consider calling 7 and 3 in the minor key bVII and bIII as the roman numerals still relate to the major scale keys even if you're in a minor key!
I'm gonna blabber about Pinegrove here if that's okay. I love Pinegrove, I think they really grow on you. They have been the soundtrack to some life events and they're just great. Size of the Moon is absolutely my favourite, but god Endless is a really strong second.
Honestly, this does a bit of a disservice to some of the cooler harmony that Pinegrove uses. Makes it sound like they just play open position chords and have interesting vocal lines, when there's actually lots of cool harmonic stuff and more interesting chords/guitar riffs going on in lots of their material.
HELLO and THANK YOU for watching :) If you enjoyed this video, check out the one I just did on Big Thief!
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:) YOU are awesome for watchin, thank ya for the kind words :) live luv pinegrove ❤️
@@sergescardignohey! Dig the content. I was wondering if those chord diagrams you show towards the end of the video are your own custom diagrams or did you happen to pull them from a website? Just wondering because that would be such a useful tool to add to the belt. Thanks!
Most bands I get tired of listening too nonstop after a year or so. But I’ve been nonstop listening to Pinegrove for like 3 years now and never get tired. I think it’s safe to say this is one of my top bands of my life
this is exactly the way i feel about them as well
Same here
Anyone willing to watch this video all the way through probably likes them a decent amount 😜
I think the melodic chord and combo vocals helps alot. they sound great on almost every song.
no way i was just watching your videos to find videos of FOD and i just saw your comment while listening to pine grove live performances lmao. that’s sick that you like them and moto
i feel like pinegrove has introduced a lot of country elements to a scene which previously did NOT embrace country elements. i NEVER thought i would like something so country, but their usage of it is truly masterful.
The bsckground banjo in that one song is killer
Which song @@dylanhughes8457
hey! I guess this is slightly contradictory to my "pause and read", but it seems like there was enough interest here for maybe another one of these. I was looking to make the channel slightly less tech focused anyway, and I think this could be an interesting place to start that. kindly hit that subscribe button if you're interested! helps out a bunch :)
Easiest sub ever - you definitely have a talent for talking about music, and I would love to watch more of these!!
Haha thank you!! Another one is in the works, just gotta get thru midterm season at uni first 😬
Enjoyed this - thank you. I find Pinegrove so sonically interesting that it never seems to get old. You can listen to Pinegrove records regularly for months and they still sound great.
Thank you! Yes yes, I still find myself getting their tunes randomly stuck in my head four years later :)
Cadmium can get stuck in your head for a week.
*AudioTree Live version
I just doubled my knowledge of music theory from this one video, and got 4 songs down. Excellent use of concrete examples. Great work being accessible, actually showing the chords, as I was able to pause and play while watching.
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when i found pinegrove, i found them off of midwest emo & pop punk spotify so i'm partial to the idea that they're more midwest than indie. either way, i love how they're not a single genere but more of a blend! my all time favorite band !
hell yeah!
This was so useful in finding out why my brain loves this band so much, thanks! A part of their value is how hard it is to find another band that fills the same void as this one!
well put. Pinegrove is my favourite band. Got some squares tatted on my arm and I align my library by the colours on the spines of my books
Which arm? Got it on my left lmao
@@the_mav_nk2038 left as well. I got an ampersand & dots across my shoulder since this comment too
are you looking for a resolution?
Nice breakdown! I love Pinegrove so much.
thank ya! same 🥺
been listening to pg for almost in 7 years now and its been such a pleasure to see them grow. what an awesome video!
ty! nice username too
Came here from PG's IG story. Nice work!
tyty!
Happy I stumbled upon this! I love Pinegrove, and their music is great! As a music enthusiast for many years, I love watching videos breaking down the theory behind my favorite music!
Glad you enjoyed! Another one in the works, hoping it'll be out in the near future :)
pinegrove songs just have a sound that brings about nostalgia to me. i'm not sure where it comes from but I can't help but to think about my childhood when I listen to their songs
true, i think nostalgia is the agreed upon adjective by most pinegrove fans - i think it’s just timbre and lyric selection coming together in a nice way
Awesome - also just want to note that the NPR Tiny Desk version of Waveform is incredible, props for using that footage specifically for that song!
ty!! it is, that’s my fave performance of it :)
pinegrove has been so influential in my own music writing, this video is such a cool assessment of their work! thank you for this!
gonna need you to do this for other music sir 🙏🏽🙏🏽
haha trust me, there are lots of people who do this way better than me, but I'm glad you enjoyed! maybe I'll take a look at some other artists I'm into in the future if there's enough interest :-)
Sergio Scardigno who else does these? I haven’t seen them at this level
Exactly my opinion👍🇩🇪
Great video. I love pinegrove and it’s fascinating to watch you explain the complexity behind these beautiful songs.
Love that you mentioned that the songs are written "for guitar." It's one of the first things I noticed when playing the songs, the voicings and progressions flow so easily on the guitar with little usage of alternate tunings
exactly! makes it all super fun to play, maybe encourages singing practice since guitar isn’t so bad :)
Love this video! My only nitpick is how Everything so Far is so often treated as one album when it's really a compilation featuring several distinct eras of Pinegrove, including their real first album (Meridian) and 3 EPs. Recognizing these as separate projects paints a richer picture of how they developed their sound; contrast the lush, abstract approach they took on & to the more stripped back Mixtape 2 where they first really embraced the direct, vulnerable lyrical style they're known for today
It's not as big of a sonic change as the albums you covered, and I understand the video can only be so long, but it's an era of Pinegrove I love so I thought I'd point it out!
FINALLY, i was hoping someone would analize pinegrove, I love the feeling their music gives me
This is cool, like an academic study of PG. I listen to all the mentioned genres, so it's making a lot more sense why their music is on my daily playlist.
Haha it quite literally was academic - but yeah me too man!
sick video dude, their songs have a lot to unpack but you do it well !
thanks man! love their stuff, my prof's super into them too so we was like "yeah totally make your final about them", loved doin it!
it's wonderful too have such a clear and well-produced video analyzing the music of my favorite band. thank you
i’m glad you enjoyed!!
I've been listening to Pinegrove for over almost 10 years and I have yet to get sick of them. I love them more every time I listen
Pinegrove is a top 3 band for me
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Such a smart and creative musical analysis that goes beyond chords and lyrics. This gets me to appreciate indie music on a different level!
tysm! glad you enjoyed :)
not even done with the video but this is insanely good content man. earned my sub for sure, it's nice to see breakdowns like this for music outside of the box
thank ya :-)) while I'm not necessarily a music channel, I did enjoy doin this, so I'll definitely come back to another artist I like sometime soon :-)
So happy to hear young band with such musical creativity. The future just got brighter.
Loved your commentary, they're one of my favs right now. I would say aphasia is a LOT more than just love and loss lyrics. The song is about aphasia quite literally. It's about overcoming the inability to speak and the way it feels for the words to just start flowing after months to years of silence.
Thank ya! Yes yes it's much deeper than what I made it out to be, was just trying to make a point a little too concisely I guess :/
You packed in so much great analysis via 8 songs. I really appreciate your concise breakdown of each. Altogether great content and amazing subject, hope to see more!
thanks man!! definitely gonna be more at this point, so much demand after this one haha
thanks for the comprehensive music theory lesson. really cool I love Pinegrove
A band so good they need multiple bassplayers at any given time.
? they have 1.
@@hockey161616 They rotate through like 4 different bassist yo
Great video! I especially appreciated your emphasis on Pinegrove's unique dynamic structure. As a musician myself, I sometimes get tripped up into thinking that every song needs to have a certain amount of chord changes or fancy voicings to make it special. But as you show, the feeling put into each song is what gives it its unique character. Everyone puts little flares of inspiration from their favorite artists into their work until they eventually develop a sound of their own. Hope the finals went well! Peace!
Same here man, doing this video really made me less anxious about stuff I write. Glad you enjoyed! Finals went well :)
Making simple sound so new. Great band 🙌🤯
hell yeah!
Great video. Explained everything I wanted to know about this awesome band!
glad you enjoyed!
Fantastic video man, really interesting analysis and I love the way you presented it
I love how you try to pin this band into categories. This is a way of listening to music I am not familiar with but I appreciate your interpretation. This is great.
ty :)
Good vidya, Pinegrove rocks
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That was killer. Would love to see more concise analyses like these.
Ty! Yes I'd like to take a crack at this again in the future, maybe with Phoebe Bridgers or somethin!
I subbed. Would love to see this with Lomelda leading up to Hannah or the Whitney discography
Well done my friend. Don't know how I stumbled onto this link but it was a perfect introduction to what appears to be some great stuff. I'm a fellow musician and I enjoyed how you broke it down. Simple and concise. I love me some dags so I was hooked the moment I saw the star of the video was a black lab with a greying chinbeard. Do yourself a favor and check out the first 3 albums by A.A. Bondy. The progression from his first into American Hearts and then Believers is quite a journey. His newest stuff is quite the curveball but hey, he's an artist what do I expect hahaha. Enjoy.
darkness at 7:16! great coverage though :)
Subbed to show appreciation for the great work you put into this. Can't wait to start watching your other videos
ty homie!!
What an enjoyable video. I love Marigold but will now take a real slow walk through the rest of the albums.
Definitely worth it :)
Fantastic video man, really interesting analysis and I love the way you presented it. I’ve been captivated by Pinegrove and it’s really cool to see a concise explanation of the key techniques here
ty homie!
As someone who has really been into Pinegrove for the past 2 years, this was a super enjoyable video to watch. You really know your stuff, and it was a pleasure to hear somebody dissect and analyze their songwriting in the way that you did.
Warms my heart to hear this, thank you man :-)
@@sergescardigno Your description of their genre-blending was on point too. I never know how to describe them to people haha. I usually just say indie emo country, but you really put their genre blend into context nicely.
@@willg1315 haha yeah it is tough, doesn't make the rec any easier that's for sure
Pinegrove AND music theory? The ultimate duo
Damn str8
sergio. Im a huge fan of your videos. 1. Thank you for creating beautiful, accessible, great content for the music lover with an insatiable appetite for all things music. 2. You know so much about music theory, what recommendations to you have to broaden that knowledge. because 3. I write songs too, and I feel like i can only benefit from understanding the harmonic bedrock of progressions, or to even understand what I harmonically tend to in the over 30 songs i've already written. Sincerely, a friend, fan, and fellow traveler.
Thank you for this video! Just got hooked on this band a few months ago. I totally agree with your analysis. Interesting that you did not even mention Old Friends to talk about their style! Love Big Thief too. So I will listen to your video on them.
My favorite band! Thank you!
Me too, ofc!!
Like a lot of Pinegrove songs, this video starts very good and gets even better. More of that!
ahaha nice, dw there shall be more :)
Well this got you a subscription. Great video. Cheers!
please do more videos like this, i really loved the way you broke it all down. Thanks for the great video
Pinegrove makes me want to cry. Idk why but it reminds me of praise and worship the way certain keys draw out an emotional response.
Great band, better video. I enjoyed it a lot. Thank you for this, keep it going!
Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷
gracias y hola!
Enjoyed this a lot man. It would be great to see you do more of these videos.
Thank ya! Trying not to be so laser-focused on tech, so maybe I'll work more of these in :-)
I was trying to figure out the acoustic version of Phase and ended up stumbling on your video and really enjoying this. You really threw some nice words around that ineffable quality that makes them special as a band. I'd like to see more of these dissections of sound and diving into what makes a band sonically interesting n such.
Why thank you! There will be another - currently workin on Phoebe Bridgers :)
@@sergescardigno cool, you have good taste sir. I subscribed and am looking forward to it! Hope to see some Better Oblivion stuff on there
Haha thank you! Ah idk I'm debating - I think she definitely writes her solo stuff noticeably different than BOCC stuff, so it might be a tough parallel to draw. Although I do personally bop to BOCC a lot more :)
This was really really good. Thanks for making it!
thank you for watchin it! made another one about phoebe bridgers a little over a week ago if you’re interested 👀
Hey man good vid. Just got into Pinegrove recently. I like how you present the music theory in a tangible way. Thanks!
thank you! happy you enjoyed, and happy you found em :)
Dude this is really well done!! i totally wouldn’t mind at all if u did more of this kinda thang :))
haha thank ya, I'm probably gonna with the amount of demand!
What a great video. Subscribed.
Good job! I loved this!
Loved this video plz do more like this!!!
This was great! I don’t know a single thing about music theory but still found it super interesting. Thanks a lot.
Glad you enjoyed!!
im obsessed with this video as well as your phoebe one! great explanations and great taste in music
tysm!!
I needed this bro!!
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wonderful video m8, well done
I agree so much with your assessment! I don't really like "indie" or "emo" music too much.. but like you I see them (Evan) as an extension of the singer songwriter genre. What keeps me coming back to their music is the fantastic songwriting.
ty!! absolutely it’s phenomenal songwriting across the board
I love your commentary an I agree with you all the way but my only critique is that even though the cowboy chords in the song “neighbor” may make it the bands most country “song” I feel that their tiny desk concert is the most country they ever sounded and is my favorite set list...
It’s dat banjo that really drives it home!
Good video, I would also argue a huge part of my synthesis of Pine grove is the way they use totally unique ideas for unison accents! I.e. listen to “Days” where they go to a fortissimo dynamic and use a quarter note pulse in a 6/8 time feel starting on the six so the first measure of each two-bar idea is played straight and the second sounds incredibly syncopated and very interesting! They make brilliant use of rhythmic dissonance. A few more microcosms of this concept would be how the my accent the “&” of two when Evan comes in with the vocals in verse two of “Angelina”. They do something very similar on “Peeling off the Bark” (I realize I’m highlighting some of their earliest discography but it’s just such a cool sound”, where they also use odd time signatures in a cool way. As opposed to in jazz or progressive music where a song might be written in an odd time signature, Pinegrove fits the time signature around the melodic idea. For example in the last song I mentioned in the coda of the song where the chord progression changes (which is maybe my favorite example of Pinegrove harmony as well), the band plays a motif that lasts two bars of 4/4 and then use one bar of 3 to turnaround into the next phrase. They do this on “over my shoulder”. I also love the little phase flip during the accelerando in the bridge of “visiting” where the drums switch from unusually accenting the 1 & 3 with the snare to hitting the snare in back to back beats to imply a move to double time and then releasing that rhythmic dissonance by lining up the snare on 2 & 4 again. I feel like a HUGE part of earlier Pinegrove is their rhythmic ideas that really are unique to them and only them. I’m curious how much drummer Zach Levine has to do with that behind the scenes, in my experience those are often ideas that drummers have because they just get so fucking bored playing regular beats behind the set lol
lmao really great ideas here!! but yes i’m not sure zach is really thinking about it on this deep a level - since it’s mostly singer-songwriter material, a LOT revolves around that melody, including the rhythm as you said. it’s a lot of familiar time signatures most of the time, but with breaks here and there to fit vocal phrasing - just one of a bunch of techniques they use to amplify what Evan writes :)
This is exactly what I was thinking about while watching this!
Over the last two albums I was able to find some little subtle decorations in the rhythmic section of their songs like how the drums in “rings” stay in the same tempo and dynamic and every other instrument fades away (which they even perfect in the live version), and the syncopation on the and of the beat in “the alarmist” near the end (3.38 mark), but I do feel that the older content had a good amount of rhythmic decorations that were so refreshing to add onto the simplistic chord harmonies
The beginning of “Cadmium” in Cardinal also has the band behind the beat of the drums which they do live pretty well!
@@guillermoaranda4006 Great observations! Admittedly as I move forward in time in their discography I'm less familiar with each album, I still really enjoy Marigold and Skylight but the first two albums spoke to me on a way deeper level, thanks for the input with Alarmist, Cadmium, and Rings, I wasn't considering those songs but I love them all!
i'm very glad this got recommended to me. thank u sir
I'm very glad you watched, you are welcome.
awesome awesome video. thanks for taking the time to put this together
ofc! glad ya enjoyed :)
Wow great breakdown! It’s calculated. Never would have pointed this out myself. You see you fans at the Gothic soon :)
ty!
Subscribed my friend - been super into music theory and harmonic usage has been a part that I'm trying to make more connections with and Pinegrove is one of my all time favorite bands. This felt super digestible for some learning while also breaking down what makes the songs so great. Plus just watched some other videos and you cover a ton of great music and topics! Best of luck - love your stuff. Will be watching more! Cheers!
this means so much - I’m glad you got somethin out of the vid! appreciate your support ❤️
we met at a pg show at Webster Hall in September. Cool video dude, hope all is well!
oh shit I remember!! nice to see ya here dude, thank ya! hope you're well too :)
I don’t want to throw shade but if you do one of these again, give some love to the lyric. It’s a massive part of the Pinegrove thing and whilst I accept you might not actively tune into the poetry of a band, you probably need to step into that world a bit to truly deconstruct
haha no i totally agree man - this was just an assignment for a class, so i had to focus on the music theory more than anything else. if it was just for me and for fun i definitely would’ve dove into that more!
Nice vid, just stumbled on this channel as I just found Pinegrove and have been going down the rabbit hole. I just learned Aphasia acoustic and definitely see what you mean about the cowboy chords and them being close and easy to transition to. I'm a beginner when it comes to music theory, so it's interesting to see you point out theoretical reasoning behind the obvious jazz and country undertones that are so easy to hear but tough for me to put my finger on.
I will say, I personally think Evan would be just as successful solo. I think the most unique and alluring part of this band are the lyrics, and the delivery of them. That is more on display during singer/songwriter type performances, and it's no surprise that Pinegrove's most popular songs like Old Friends and Aphasia have amazing solo acoustic versions on UA-cam, both of which have more views than any of their other songs.
Anyway, hope the final went well!
ty!! yeah i think if you’re getting into songwriting at any point, learning these songs is easy, fun, and can teach you a lot. sure maybe evan would be successful solo, but idk having seen them live a lot and the chemistry they have, i don’t think i’d wanna break that up yk
@@sergescardigno Good point, and to be fair, the old friends acoustic video that is really popular is actually not solo, he's got a guy on the synth adding a lot of depth to the performance. Some points he's not even playing guitar. I should try to check these guys out live one day, once shows are actually going on again :(
for sure homie, the first time ya see em is quite magical
Awesome video and analysis. Love Pinegrove. Well done!
thank ya!
Love this video dude. I think you unpack the songs in a way that make them so approachable while appreciating the complexity of instrumentation and musicianship. The only thing I disagree on is you saying it’s unfortunate that marigold has less banjo. I personally love it a little more for that reason. I feel like the use of the banjo in pinegrove music, although beautiful, was always a grasp at a “we’re a folky band” vibe. But I think you sum up the true essence of pinegrove with your conclusion that it’s more singer songwriter with instrumentation highlighting the extra stuff. Really thoughtful analysis of an incredible band. Thank for sharing this ♥️
Wow, thanks a ton for this, means a lot :). I personally love the vibe of marigold still even without banjo, and totally understand what you're sayin. I guess I'm just a little partial to the older stuff, and the banjo thus has a slightly more nostalgic context for how I discovered them, if that makes sense.
I value your opinion but for me personally I love that banjo in there lol!
@@Heisenbrick so weird that toy replied to this today because I was on a run and randomly thought about this comment I left on this video and about how I think I’d go back now and maybe take back my statement about the banjo. Maybe it was after watching Amperland, NY that sold the banjo Pinegrove vibe to me. I’m definitely way more into it now.
Well made and informative video, thank you.
thank you!
love Pinegrove, love this! so so interesting. thankyou :)
I love em too! Much love, thanks sm for watchin :)
Hey Sergio! UA-cam recommended this video to me, so either the algorithm knows we went to high school together, or you're really on the right track getting popular. Great video!
haha hey andrew! appreciate it a bunch 🙏🏼, hoping to see tallest man again with you as soon as possible :)
(i just realized it was actually with sami and jesse but still would love to have you there next time lol)
@@sergescardigno I clicked instantly because Pinegrove is one of my favorite bands of all time. I cannot wait for the day I get to see TTMOE again. I think we saw each other at Fleet Foxes in the city once! Always good to see ya dude.
Epic. Great job Serg!
thanks homie!
this is great! thanks for making
thanks homie! my pleasure :)
i found pinegrove + this vid way too late and god damn, i'm glad i'm here
This is awesome dude
thanks dude!
everything so far is a collection of cohesive albums! problems-need 2 is “mixtape two”, namesake-unison is “&”, palisade-sunday is “meridian” and on jet lag and days are “mixtape one”. i know you acknowledged their ten year discography but it’s just a lil pet peeve of mine when people don’t talk about the album and eps that make up everything so far. great vid!!
What a lovely video. Thanks for making this.
ty for watching :-)
Great video dude, super interesting and well done! You could to consider calling 7 and 3 in the minor key bVII and bIII as the roman numerals still relate to the major scale keys even if you're in a minor key!
Thank ya! And true, mixture do be a thing, I'm not amazing at theory haha
Really well done video! Thoughtful analysis. Very cool.
thank ya!!
I'm gonna blabber about Pinegrove here if that's okay. I love Pinegrove, I think they really grow on you. They have been the soundtrack to some life events and they're just great. Size of the Moon is absolutely my favourite, but god Endless is a really strong second.
this is amazing! so useful - Thanks!
thank ya!!
I completely agree!!
UA-cam algorithm knows me too well. This is so tight!
haha it's scary sometimes how accurate the yt algorithm is - glad you enjoyed!
i love you for making this
❤️❤️
Honestly, this does a bit of a disservice to some of the cooler harmony that Pinegrove uses. Makes it sound like they just play open position chords and have interesting vocal lines, when there's actually lots of cool harmonic stuff and more interesting chords/guitar riffs going on in lots of their material.
Thank you man
Love it!
thanks for watchin!!! :))
I immediately thought of the band America when I heard an acoustic take of "Need 2".