Why You Feel Nostalgia from this Angsty Chord
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2022
- What happens when you mix the chords from relative major and minor keys?
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It turns out that Relative Multipolar Tonality, an idea outlined by Kayano Chino in the book Japanese Music Harmony, is not that unusual a harmonic technique. We look at a handful of American and British pop songs that all use a mixture of chords from the major key and its relative minor.
Songs included:
Such Great Heights by The Postal Service
Cryin' by Aerosmith
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
I Want To Hold Your Hand by The Beatles
Creep by Radiohead
Steven Universe Opening by Rebecca Sugar
Space Oddity by David Bowie
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⚠️ NOTE: The publisher filed a copyright claim and I had to remove the excerpt of Creep. Sorry! Luckily Steven Universe's chord progression sounds exactly the same.
😴 Also thanks for your concern everyone but I sleep just fine, dark circles are genetic and my father and grandma had them too!
I want to clear some things up with the theory. Yes I know modal interchange and borrowed chords exist, I am not at all suggesting that we can't get a perfectly clean analysis of any of these songs with those frames of reference. I love modal interchange and use it all the time!
What I’m presenting here is just another lens to look at things, which supports and does not deny the modal relationship between these chords.
The reason “multipolar tonality”, which yes is a term someone recently made up, is being used here is because we’re specifically looking at key centers. Not just using colorful chords from similar modes, but how those chords suggest different keys within a passage.
What makes the theory interesting, and different from modal interchange, is that while you can use modal interchange for an isolated chord, the “key fluctuations” happen at the phrase level. So a phrase with the chords “C Eb” would not really make sense in the context of multipolar tonality.
“Relative Multipolar Tonality” is not in itself particularly interesting and I think many people are overthinking it. It’s just talking about music that flows between a major key and it’s relative minor, that’s all. It’s a stepping stone to the more colorful and interesting versions of multipolar tonality that are not discussed in this specific video.
Yes, having different perspectives is great. It helps more people understand how it works.
I rarely think about "constructing" a song note by note, when writing music myself, and often happen by similar chords once in a while, so it's actually nice, having some words on what these mean.
I know I'm just some stranger on the internet, but, you should get some sleep.
I struggle with sleep myself, but I can tell from the slight swelling to the color around your eyes that you are in need of some good rest. Take care.
Without falling down the rabbit hole of linguistics - modal interchange, borrowed chords and similar terms actually don't exist, irl that is. These are all "recently (+/-100 years) made up", simply words, or rather tools which provide us with a way of 'measuring' a sound or a soundscape effectively so we can identify, apply and tweak its effects in different contexts. Very practical. E.g. If you got a ruler handy chances are that you get a straight piece of wood out of that log, btw without hurting your inspiration ;) In short, having a new distinct term for "how those chords suggest different keys within a passage" is very useful to expand one's own sonic palette. And keep it organized, lol. I think Chris McDonald used the term "modal subversions" for similar passages in Kurt Cobain's music, "Exploring modal subversions in alternative music", insightful read. Anyhow, amazing vid!
Steven universe sucks
@@Michael-dj6pd i know you mean well, but it’s not respectful to make assumptions about strangers’ health or give them unsolicited advice. you don’t know their experience. i have a friend with Chron’s and it causes that appearance around the eyes for her. she CONSTANTLY hears invasive health questions/advice from people who mean well about “getting more rest” and “taking better care of herself.” it’s not meant to be rude, but, quite frankly, another person’s health isn’t anyone else’s business unless they are in direct danger or they make it someone else’s business.
gotta presume competence and respect that people are likely to know themselves and their personal health needs better than a stranger would.
This dude looks like he hasn’t slept in three days.
That’s a bit rude..?
@@tiaausten_ I Didn't mean it offensively, just poking fun.
@@smallengineshop112except that when you’re making a joke at someone’s expense, that’s objectively being offensive, that’s where the humor lies: being offensive to someone you wouldn’t normally be offensive to, whether it be a very close friend (the normal way to make this joke) or a complete stranger (the other common way to make this joke, but usually comes off as being rude due to the unfamiliarity).
You’re creating a parasocial relationship with this content creator and trying to make a joke saying “oh I was just poking fun” when you guys don’t have that kind of relationship; you’re just being an asshole. Yes, he does indeed look like he hasn’t slept in three days, but you pointing that out doesn’t just “make it a joke”.
Hey, smallengineshop112, I think you have shite people skills. Don’t worry though, it’s just an observation and I’m just poking fun, so don’t take it too personally, okay??
You and I don’t have that relationship where I can say things like that and make it not inherently offensive. The same way you don’t have a relationship with Ryan. Just because he puts videos out on the internet doesn’t mean you and him are chums.
@@harleyjo4875Bro really wrote a 4 paragraph essay to someone not even addressing them. The comment wasn’t even that offensive.
@@harleyjo4875holy shit touch grass
as someone who thinks music theory is super cool and yet knows nothing about it, everything you're saying is going over my head but I'm enjoying it anyways
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Same😂
Yeah it's total "I like your funny words magic man" but also super interesting
Start learning then
o ya man for sure
I love when chords clash and it sounds both heavenly and hellish at the same time.
David Bowie was a master in using strange chord progressions and this has been said by the musicians who worked with him over the years. One of the jazz musicians who worked with him on his last album was absolutely amazed by the very strange chords he used. there is an interview from him on this platform wich is very enlightning.
Yep,life on Mars has 26 chords , well played on piano by rick wakeman. Bowie was asked during a phone in live what advice could you give me and my band,, without hesitation Bowie replied" Get a good lawyer"
David Bowie has always utilized sophisticated chord progressions, but I think he approached them in an intuitive way. I believe theory is important & has its purpose, but I don't think that great artists like Bowie "construct" their music in an analytical left brain fashion like a lot of theorists do. Theory's great after the fact I think.
I absolutely agree@@johnbryant6610 When I'm writing leads or anything like that I always start with their general melody first and then work with theory to establish my backing tracks.
@@johnbryant6610^^^THIS^^^
@@johnbryant6610 It depends and it's probably mostly a mix of the two. You do have to remember that outside of a few outliers, intuition for most people comes from familiarity. Whether through formal learning or trial and error, a songwriter is gonna learn "oh, that sounds like that when I do that" for a bunch of things at some point and yeah, they will probably internalise it over time but that doesn't mean that they don't know it.
This gives the line "I don't belong here" in Radiohead's "Creep" a whole new meaning.
does the line play on the chord that "don't belong here"
SJSUDSKSIHSJS 😅
The chord progression was stolen
@@figgleston The Hollies “If I Could Fly”
@@aciid5081 yeah the iv, not the one that this video is about though but it does appear here
The Creep and Steven Universe had me rolling. What a breakdown of angsty and melancholy music.
I don't know what I am going to do with that knowledge, but I am marking it as important anyways.
it honestly makes me want to put the Creep vocals over the SU theme to see what it would sound like, since the key and chord progression are already so similar
There's another Steven universe song that has a very similar progression to radiohead's No Surprises. Weird that this happened twice.
@@888fluffy what's the Steven universe song ?
There’s also The Hollies song ‘The Air That I Breathe’. Namely the chorus is the same chord progression throughout ‘Creep’. Amazing what different sounds you can get from the same basic foundation
There’s a song by David Bowie called “Five Years”. The song itself is really depressing as it discusses how the world is dying and only has five years left to live. Anyways, near the end of the song in the chorus, there is a guitar solo that captured my attention immediately when I first listened to it because of how out of place it sounded. It is my favorite part of the song and I always say how it reminds me of somebody crying or weeping. Although it sounds so weird compared to the other instruments in the background, it captures the meaning and vibe of the song, beautifully.
Five years, that’s all we got, we got five years!
@@extrasugarliceteafive years!!!
The way he shouted "...And all the nobody people, and all the somebody people, I never thought I'd need" and that downwards pull when he slowly says "so many people" gives me chills every single time.
I don't think the world is dying in that song, the robots are programed with a 5-year lifespan.
ive always loved these "wrong notes" so im glad to see it actually makes sense
He's studied music theory for 47 years straight... no breaks at all
Sounds like John Williams.. bum bum da bum bum DAAA!!!!!
He certainly looks like he did
I've been living for 20 years
And he's only 31 years old! Crazy!!
@@jordanburkert6208 damn burn lol
I understood maybe 10% of this, but it is FASCINATING to me that there's an actual system and rule to this very distinct musical emotion. I adore everything melancholic, so uh, guess I have a favourite chord thing or whatever.
Hi
If you like melancholic songs
Try these out.
And do share your favourite melancholic songs with us so we can expand our list.
Thanks.
Neil young - DONT CRY MY SWEET LOVE.
khalid anum - pira ho
Def leppard - desert song
Hollies- the air that i breath.
Doors-you are lost little girl.
Kishor kumar- o sathi rey
Mehnaz- sitara ki sapna.
Its what youre raised to associate music with. james camerson and the composor when working on avatar hired a whole team of people that specialize in music from other cultures and the whole... "Non eurocentric" (i almost never use that word but it fits here) world. And they went and made basically a whole new music system. And then threw it out because they couldnt use it to "manipulate" peoples emotions like how you usually see/hear in movies. Edit: i found the video i originaly saw on it. Its "why avatar has the most ironic soundtrack of all time" by sidways.
I modulate chord often in my songs in my Minecraft init song
YES
@@robertharris6092 i think they got confused.
Every culture probably has happy and sad notes. Etc.
It is like saying only European colours reflect certain emotions.
Colors and notes are universal.
It is how you say things is unique to certain cultures.
Loss.
Bitter sweet.
Nostalgia is fond memories for something gone.
Creep fits perfectly, because it's the feeling that he's lost something he never had, the person he desires in the song and how he feels about himself.
I started composing music like this without realizing just because I've been influenced by the music of anime and JRPGs my whole life. Seeing it spelt out makes a lot of sense now!
HxH (2011) is the best anime, and needs a new season. Prove me wrong. :)
@@thatguyalex2835 W
I started finger-picking the chords for Steven Universe last week, in like triplets on the first 3 strings of my ukulele without singing, and I was like… wait… is this Creep. Very timely having it confirmed in this video!
I've never watched Steven universe or heard the song so it just sounded like a radiohead song to me
But I'm a Crystal Gem
I'm a weirdoo
@@Jack_Woods lol I was literally singing this yesterday to try to demonstrate to my girlfriend that they're the same song
I was playing the Steven Universe theme on my guitar recently and when my dad started belting Creep along from the other room I got so mad because I knew I'd never unhear it. :,)
@@Tokechan would ur gf appreciate you're subscribed to rapunzel ASMR lol
This man is very educational, but he looks like he spent 72 hours straight learning the information, and then immediately presented it to us
Lol your right
Yeah. On that cocaine train. Up for days and got his eyes blacked out. And his nose swollen and red as Rudolph’s. lol 😆
I came here to see if anyone else was concerned about the dark circles around his eyes. Sir, are you okay? Seriously.
@@JohnsdotterRestorations believe it or not, some people just look like that. I have the same thing lol. Always look dead tired
@@toziassmitt sounds like an iron deficiency
Duuuude! I am so happy the youtube algorithm brought me to your channel! We need more of people like you, Charles Cornell, Rick Beato etc. out there. The way you guys are able to communicate these advanced harmonic concepts to the layman is wonderful to see. I am a music educator myself and seeing how you guys teach us is a wonderful example to follow into my own classroom.
This is awesome, the way you formatted it was really helpful. Between Cryin' and Don't Look Back in Anger the source of bittersweet nostalgia really clicked for me.
Your description of Space Oddity is perfect. "Is it happy or sad" "hopeful or hopeless". I hear Space Oddity as the stereotyped "happy?" ending, where in the end you've won, but your unsure if the cost was worth it...
Amazing!
UGGGHHHH AAAAAGGHHAAAA yeah bro. FFFGGFGGGRRFFFGGHHH UUUAAAHHAAAAAAAHH neat interpretation dude. GGGUYGGHHHGGGHHAAAGGHHFFBBBB AAAAARRAAGGGHHMMMNNNMM
Pyrrhic is the word you're looking for.
I’ve won, but at what cost ?
you're*
I really liked that description of Space Oddity. "Is it hopeful, or is it hopeless?". You can actually hear that. God damn what a perfectly fitting usage of words.
Exactly! So magical!
And kurt cobain rendition of the man who sold the world.
Soon as he said that I was like “Yes! That’s exactly what it feels like to listen to that song”
❤️
david was such a genius
iv has got to be my favorite chord of all time. Its so sad and fits so well in any song to just rip your heart out. It's very easy to notice in a song because of its dissonance to the key, yet its gorgeous feel.
Another example: The End - My Chemical Romance
The progression makes it feel as if it is indeed the end. Then *that* chord comes along and suddenly you start to question everything you stand for, like "IS it the end?!?"
Scarecrow by MCR also does the same thing! Very nostalgic and melancholy. The minor 4 is so magical feeling lolol.
I've been trying to figure out this Japanese chord thing for so long I am really grateful to you for making this video.
My 2 cents:
Major Scale: I IIm IIIm IV V VIm VIIº
JPOP Chords Swiss Army Knife: II7 -> IIm7b5 -> Imaj7 // VIm7 -> Vm7 I7 -> IVmaj7 -> bVII7 -> Imaj7 // Imaj7/5 -> #IVm7b5 -> IVm6 -> IIIm7 etc
@@luisbadolato
VIm7 - Vm7 - I7 - IVmaj7 - bVII7 - Imaj7
hmm I think we could write it more functionally as a tonicization of the IV chord and a backdoor resolution to the I
(IIIm7 - IIm7 - V7 - Imaj7) (bVII7 - Imaj7)
Same here. I've been hearing chord progressions like this in tons of anime songs
The chords used in Japanese music varies ALOT depending on the genre but the one re-occurring theme is a strong understanding of music theory.
Many songs out there will take full advantage of dominant chords, their alterations, secondary dominants, borrowed chords/modal interchange
Longer and/or more variations of a progression.
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@@waltz251 I guess depending on the context of the song it could make sense to analyze it that way. I've always seen that kind of progressions not so much as "micro-modulations" but as simply using secondary dominants, in that case the progression would look like this: VIm7 -> IIm7(relative to the secondary dominant) V7/IV(secondary dominant) -> IVmaj7 -> bVII7(backdoor as you mentioned) -> Imaj7. Being the chords: Am7 -> Gm7(relative to the secondary dominant) C7(secondary dominant) -> Fmaj7 -> Bb7(backdoor as you mentioned) -> Cmaj7
The notion that you can just raise the tempo of creep, add the melody of space oddity and basically get the Steven universe theme is something I'm amazed by
Just discovered your channel, and i love it. I know nothing of music theory but I really enjoy hearing about it and seeing the notes played in real time and you showing where to hear the specific tone is a godsend. Keep up the awesome work
Great job of communicating the message - not too much information that might only serve to distract. The scripting and visuals were very helpful. Thanks! 👍🏻
The Steven universe was definitely made to sound like space oddity, I have always thought that
Yes that is thing creators confirmed it
i knew it
There’s a Bowie reference in the show when Greg is showing Steven what inspired the Universe last name in SUF
@@darkforest9087 is it the album cover with a man wearing very shiny purple eyeshadow?
@@disco_depression yesh
I make Jpop/Jrock, and this note is definitely one of the keys to achieve this sound. I call it (the magic b6). I usually use flat 6 diminished chords or iv minor keys that include this note.
do you have any specific jpop songs wif the magic b6 that you could recommend :))))
@@ajy0 just listen to good music, I suggest Metallica.
@@ajy0 Radwimps あいとわ
、Zutomayo - あいつら全員同窓会
、Yoasobi - 夜に駆ける and if you listen to bands like Back Number or Yorushika its scattered all around. It happens on the chord progressions with major III chords or minor iv chords and in melodies as a spicy note.
@@logangilchrist4354Yes, I like Metallica too. My dad introduced me to it, I really like exploring music. Regardless of what genre, as long as it's good.
@@logangilchrist4354 you're joking right? lol
I’ve always really liked this exact sound in music. I was never able to explain to people why it makes me feel so good. Thank you for making this video.
That explains why I like these songs so much, they rly speak to me.
Thank you for making this video!
this is it. i've always tried to describe this chord. i've described it as "warm in a grotesque manner", but "angsty" hits the nail on the head
Wow, I actually think "warm in a grotesque manner" is a really great way to put it, that's exactly what I hear!
I wonder if it's because the chord almost sounds like a voice crack? Our brains recognize a sharp high chord in speech as a voice crack, which is associated with teenage years and - importantly - when people cry and their voice cracks.
Maybe that's why it's such a nostalgic and bittersweet sound. It sounds similar something we might remember from being teenagers or when we were crying... Similar to a theory on how violins evoke emotion because they sound the most similar to human vocals?
Melancholy!!
yeah, when the twisted chord hits it’s like you were drinking a glass of milk but then it suddenly spoiled in your mouth… warmly
@@Campusanis it makes sense, since it's a major chord, that's where that gentle almost-warmth comes from. but it's grotesque because it contains an augmented fifth, a chromatic note. it's like an out of place smile in an otherwise twisted and uncomfortable environment (because that chord is diatonically minor, so what we get is a crooked smile where we expect a played-straight frown)
Being a self taught guitarist, I realized that I found out these theories by myself and never thought there was a technical or psychological aspect to it until now. I just play random chords and think “hey, that sounds kinda good. Let’s keep doing that!”
That’s the way I started too. Once I started actually *learning* music theory, though, that natural inclination helped it all come together.
That sounds like a much better way to do it!
With all due respect, if I try and listen to videos like this, I start to fall asleep. 😔 This kind of thing, is why people give up on playing instruments. Music theory is depressing. But actually playing / listening to music is great at times.
@@1Flyingfist bro its all the same in all field..
theory is always boring..
but if u wanna advance or paasing down the skill to other generation, u cant just...
pass down the feel... 🙄
so both end have the benefit if one can master it...
music is life
Exactly I love making music and would do it as a career if I could. But not with music theory. It makes me want to shoot myself its so boring and awful.
@@ZhuGeLiang6969 Naaa, when I was doing the "theory" for becoming a snowboarding instructor, I was like 👀.
It's the way that music theory is taught, that's the problem. Learning music, (albeit European music) the American way, is much easier on the ear than learning the UK abrsm way 🤔.
I watched a video by Grace Terzian (? spelling) and I understood what she was talking about, straight away. If I'd had her as my music teacher 30 years ago, I wouldn't have given up on playing the clarinet.
But then you watch some other videos by other UA-camrs and they may as well be speaking in Mandarin.
Homie looks like he hasn't slept in 5 years
Exaclty
Thats so rude
I'm so touched by this video. Pretty cool stuff. Thanks.
For me the minor iv chord always has a „bittersweetness“ to it. Like, it‘s always embedded in otherwise really resolved progressions and kinda acts as the sting of sadness you get when thinking of nostalgic memories. Yeah, now that i think of it, using I-IV-iv-I may just be the embodiment of Nostalgia for me. The bittersweet sadness within happy memories.
My college music theory professor called it the “my dog died” chord.
I couldn't picture what this would sound like in my head (I IV iv I) so I just played it on the piano and it sounds like a Game Over screen
For me it always evoked a sense of wonder, awe and overall cosmic epicness. I can definitely get the bitter-sweet vibes to it as well!
@@JKKUSA clearly your professor is the greatest in terms of terminology
The thing is I don’t understand why many music theorists act like this is exclusive to the iv chord. Do this with any chord and you get the same effect. I, I, i, i there you go major to minor my dog ded. I like doing a G minor then tritone Dflat major and finally Dflat minor do get that lowering depressing feel but with a really odd sound due to the progression
All the songs mentioned at the end which descend into something "bittersweet" are exactly the kinda songs I tend to love. So if anyone can recommend any similar sounding songs, I would be very grateful
Space oddity? That's also the type of song I'm very into, I'd enjoy recommendations too!! :D
@@bluestrela I saw someone in the comments recommending some songs:
Maluco beleza by Raul Seixas
Aline by Christophe
Happier than ever by Billie Eilish
There's a kind of hush by Capenters
@@51gan788 thanks so much! a few that get me the same vibe, that I can recall right now, are A Great Day for Freedom by Pink Floyd and a few parts of Telegraph Road by Dire Straits
maybe "sweet hibiscus tea" by penelope scott
Maybe “Open Arms” by Journey. Gives me that Nostalgic school dance with your crush vibes.
Thank you for this. This opened my mind up to the beauty of music.
Was NOT expecting Silhouettes to be dropped on me like that.
I fucking love how such an upbeat song like ‘We Are The Crystal Gems’ manages to sound so nostalgic using this, it’s a lot like what the show does.
Never crossed my mind that space oddity and the Steven universe intro were SOOOO similar harmonically
I hope your channel continues to grow because it's extremely helpful.
WOW I was not ready to get hit with Such Great Heights!! Love that song. Came here to say you've got a really great voice - it was really nice listening to you teach!
bruh. this video managed to explain a whole ass playlist i've made and titled "songs that give me THAT vibe". this made me realize why i get so attached to certain types of sounds, feeling this bittersweet feeling of "future nostalgia", as i like to call it. bless you for making this.
i have a playlist dedicated to exactly this " songs wot do the funny thing i cant describe ". I wonder how many there are :' ) been wanting someone to explain the musical science behind it for ages and this vid found me
@@OakleyandFuzz man, i know right. i always look out for songs like these, that give me this indescribable feeling. it's truly astonishing how humans get so attached to certain sounds or even scents, just to bring back memories or visualise the future.
Cannibal Corpse- Hammer Smashed Face gives me hardcore nostalgia feelings, same for Necrophagist- Fermented Offal Discharge.
i am in your walls
vibrations by montero :) and what once was by hers give me The vibe !
It’s sort of a liminal space kinda feeling. An eerie nostalgic song you should check out is sleepwalk. It’s a 50s song so that kinda adds to the affect
Yes!
Also Space Song by Beach house
People learn about liminal spaces and have to use the term everywhere
@@jrurbbehdidiwdnndjduw85eos73 Most people probably don't even know that Liminal Space: Basically anything that's similar in function to a Hallway.
But this guy probably knows.😅
@@jrurbbehdidiwdnndjduw85eos73 I feel though the term works here, especially because of the "nostalgic" feeling
This is a great breakdown. Thank you!
Wow, I never thought about how the arrangement of these sounds triggered the feelings you described before. Astounding and extremely enjoyable. I'm familiar with all these song and also love anime music. And now you and your channel. Music has always been "My Church", healing, motivational and many other things.
Thank you.
It creates the feeling of numinosity - a feeling that is both sad and happy and neither and both- feeling overwhelmed with emotion at the sheer size of universe around us.
You always got something to fucking say don't you
I’ve always wondered if I was the one guy who was really attached to these “wrong/angsty” notes. I’ve just always loved the way it sounds you know? And I’m glad that I was not the only one.
I’ve heard this technique used so many times in music I’ve listened to throughout the years but never knew exactly what to call it, I’m glad this video shed some light on it and taught me a thing or two about it. Makes me appreciate it more whenever it’s used.
Good stuff my dude, I wish I saw a video this concise on the subject years ago
As soon as you said David Bowie and Steven Universe I figured out the chord, and the anime section solidified that. Really excellent video to show how and why it works so well!
Totally! At first I was still confused about what he was saying cause I couldn't hear it. But once those songs came on. It just clicked!
Another Radiohead song that uses this formula is “Punchdrunk Lovesick Singalong“, also in C; it just mixes up the order of the verse chords in another dramatically melancholic and pleasing way.
I love that b side
@@macworldleader Whole EP is awesome and unique in that some of the sounds on it don’t appear anywhere else in their discography. I think it’s crazy they went from it to The Bends in a year. Two different flavors of the early band, I guess. Underrated period.
this is why i love that song so much! it's brilliant.
another is exit music. it’s in am and the second chord is a E major
Oh man thank you!! I have just now gotten to this point in my hobby music theory education, and was trying to figure this out myself. I appreciate how you explain this in a very clear and easy to understand way. You saved me a ton of work! Thank you!! thank you!! thank you!!
I’ve been trying for years to describe what draws me to certain music, but it always ends up falling flat because I always end up saying something like, “you know.. the chords just kinda go like ‘that’ and like ‘that’ and it sounds good, y’kknow??”. Thank you for putting this into words!!!
Soft kill does that pretty well
Crazy he didn’t mention the pixies. I feel like they did this a lot
Nirvana loved a good major III chord too
Pixies are mid
@@biggiecheese6425 your mom is mid goober
Every sad Green Day song have that.
Weezer does this sometimes and it’s always great
I've always loved the sound of a flat 6 in major progressions, absolutely beautiful and bittersweet
amazing video! Will definitely note this for my own songs in a future!
This video reminds me "why some music feel like Christmas" or something and apparently there's some elements behind it as well. Great job! Love the video!
The first time this clicked for me was when I heard Again from Janet Jackson on the radio. At one point the song goes from a C to an E and I was like "damn this sounds like an anime song". Never actually found the proper name of that chord change, I'm happy I stumbled onto your video!
I hope u find it someday ;)
ua-cam.com/video/cM1WSovcn4I/v-deo.html that part in Janet Jacksons song reminded me of the song Centemiter by the Peggies. It's also an anime opening. Was this the opening u were talking about?
@@hijay8501 Hahaha that's exactly the one I was thinking about! Same progression, but D to F# instead of C to E.
@@Jydmd hahahaha yup
The thing that bothers me about Again is you cant use an E minor chord it sounds terrible whereas in the song I want to hold your hand you can substitute a B minor.
Very well put together video I enjoyed this very much thank you!
you are an amazing teacher; thank you for sharing your gifts with the world.
The major III in major keys always makes me feel like a storm is coming. In Hallelujah they even called it the “secret chord”.
The C to E7 in Space oddity is one of my favourite note changes, as well as 'that chord' in Breathe by Pink Floyd
I feel like I know the exact chord you’re talking about
Bro, I loved this. Thank you for sharing! 👍
Fun fact : Lana Del Rey was unsuccessfully sued by Radiohead for her use of this chord progression in her song ‘Get Free’ from her ‘Lust For Life’ album.
Again I'm in awe at your way of describing the things I love about music so much. I rarely write in one key but I never think about it. This video gave me some new tools to try out on purpose.
Videos like this make me realize HOW LITTLE I know about music theory
Great lesson! You can really explain this stuff and make it easy to understand! Thank you a lot!
I love music but never put too much into the theory behind it. Seeing your hold my hand just blew my mind. It clicked something in my brain about music. Thank you.
Oh my god someone finally explained it. I play ukulele, and I believe it’s the Ab chord that has that “quirky” downfall, and gives a nostalgic or melancholy feel. I could never describe why I loved songs with this kind of chord borrowing, and now I can!
(Edit: after I wrote this, it also made me think of Kikuo’s music. He uses this kind of chord progression a lot)
I think it’s the flat 6 note your describing. Are you often playing in c major on ukelele cuz that would explain the feel of the Ab in that context. Adam Neely even calls the flat 6 note the “nostalgia note”. If you put it in your scale you get a minor 4 and a major 3 chord which are both angsty in the context of Major. Basically major chords that should be minor sound even happier or more uplifting/ brighter than normal major chords.
Sorry for the rant lol
I like how you mangled "I wanna hold your hand" slightly to avoid getting copystriked
I always loved songs with this! Even songs that aren’t meant to sound “sad” if it had a similar effect like this, it instantly had me hooked.
Most Steven Universe songs make me feel sad, and nostalgic tbh
It’s such a vibe and I love it
Ages ago I did a Steven Universe/Creep mashup cover I called "Creeple Gems," because of the almost-identical chord progressions between them. Even the very first time I saw the show pilot it was pretty clear to me, and it's always wonderful when other people discover this or have it pointed out to them as well.
Otis Redding’s “Dock of the Bay” (G to B) springs to mind. Otis usually wrote on a guitar tuned to Open E, so his songs often eschewed minor chords.
Steve Cropper put Otis's poem to music on this one
Otis did not write that song
I had to go look it up. Amazing tune. G, B, C, A.
@@jonathanbgejensen1956 Oh yes he did..With Steve Cropper en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Sittin%27_On)_The_Dock_of_the_Bay
@@fabiogasperini5868 Yeh it is...Such a beautiful vocal performance too...Used to busk this one & i couldn't get close at all
Thanks Ryan, great tutorial!
Dude, you’re a beast! Thank you for the educational video!
Steven Universe's op has always reminded me of Marina's Primadonna. I don't know if it's relevant to this video or if the song uses the same technique but it has the same "videogame space paradise" vibes
actually I never thought of that 😨 I can hear it
Super Mario Galaxy
the fact that creep and the steven universe theme have the same cord progression is so mind boggling but i hear it perfectly
I learned so much in 5 mins, u did such a good job explaining this thank you!
This is so natural I would never think it’s a trick or something
All my life, I’d wondered why I loved that chord so much. It’s why I loved the Steven universe theme so much. This makes SO MUCH SENSE!!
oh my gosh, you just totally identified a quality in certain songs that i have loved but been unable to pinpoint my entire life, thank you so much!!
Excellent video and explanation of the theory concept
Thank you, finally found someone who can explain this so simply and clearly
i need a playlist full of this type of songs😩👍🏻
Same
someone make one 😔😔
It already exists
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I'm being hunted by the IRS for 16 counts of tax envasion😜
@@burger322 same but for drug and human trafficking
I’ve be unconsciously doing this for YEARS. So glad I understand why I love my ol’ reliable major thirds and minor fourths now.
I can remember being a really small child and being really affected by this sound. til this very day certain parts of certain songs make me feel sort of happy/sad, sometimes it literally hurts my heart like the pain you get when you think back to a person you miss.
It got to the point where I had to avoid listening to music, because the reaction I had was so strong and I couldn't control it. Sometimes it actually made me cry.
I know I sound like a crazy person, but it's something I've struggled with all my life and I now feel a bit better knowing why.
Now I'd like to know if anyone else has been affected to the same extent as me, or am I just a nutcase?
Nah there's songs that I can't listen to because of the melancholy/nostalgic chord progression too!
@@awaredeshmukh3202 SAME
I feel exactly the same way. I have always had problems with that same concept, music makes me so emotional. I always thought I was the only one
" the pain you get when you think back to a person you miss." Until now I thougth that I was the only one. It's really really painfull. In my mind I have a list of songs or instrumentals that are completely forbiden because the moment I hear the first note of that song the images of missing ones mixed with that sound make me cry. I hate to be this way.
Mate for sure, I remember first learning some chords out of a little book and just thumb strumming the Am open chord and tears a flow..then the Em whoa! I come to realise sounds of chords and music affects everyone differently, and I'm sensitive to this.
I remember being a tiny kid and when my folks played stevie wonders 'happy birthday', I felt some pain/emotion in some of those changes!!
I've always thought Creep and Space Oddity had a similar feeling, but I never bothered to find out why. This is great, we plebs appreciate you.
he looks like he just got woken up by his captor mid-REM to record this
I've been paying attention to the composition of those kinds of songs, the Steven Universe theme song, and pretty much all dreamy lo-fi hip hop songs, and I noticed most of them really squeeze all the juice from the 7th from the harmonic minor to give that hopeful melancholic feeling, I guess I'm gonna call it? But I never could figure out how to integrate it into anything. This really helps. Thanks a lot, dude.
I've played/made music most of my life and only recently am I starting to get into theory a bit more, this was a cool video, thanks for explaining clearly
I really, really love this chord. These three songs are literally some of my favorites ever
“Angsty up and depressingly down” I always feel the growing hope in the hopeless feeling from this chord, but with a heaping pile of coziness. But is it weird to say even in examples where it is meant to be more hopeless like Space Oddity I don’t feel the hopelessness as strongly? Maybe it’s because I technically listened to “We Are The Crystal Gems” more than Space Oddity in my life because like with anime OP’s, I don’t skip intros. Especially since Steven Universe had an intro change during Season 2’s halfway point. (Although they didn’t really pull a “Koichi updates DIU OP 1 with Echoes” whenever a Gem got a new design)
Here comes a BIG list for people who are interested. It is filled with songs that give me similar feels as space Odyssey, Steven universe and creep ( which are 3 songs i fucking adore ). Hope y'all find something you like.
That's life - Frank Sinatra
My way - Frank Sinatra
This love - Maroon 5
Welcome to the black parade - my mechanical romance
Sweet emotion - The kooks
Trouble - Cage the Elephant
Inexplicable - The correspondents
Iron - Woodkid
Dansbandstechno - dunderpatrullen
Fool - Fitz and the tantrums
Ghost - Telehope
Rocketman (feat. Atlas & Lando) - AL-X The great, Atlas, Lando!
It's not like I like you - static-p
Sincerely, me - Mike faist, Ben Platt, Will Roland
Corner Store - Macklemore
You owe me - The Chainsmokers
Death of a bachelor - Panic at the disco
The other side of paradise - Glass animals
Goldmine - The Jokes
Summerland - Half•Alive
Still feel. - Half•Alive ( very good band )
Many song from AJR:
Come hang out
100 bad days
Karma
Bad Friend - Orange Rex County
Love me less - Max, Quinn XCII
Kanashii Ureshii - Frederic
Just the two of us - Grover Washington
I'll put two songs from I DONT KNOW HOW BUT THEY FOUND ME because of their long ass name:
Nobody likes the opening band
Lights go down
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10 years - Dadi Freyr
In the stone - Earth wind and fire
Strange things - Randy Newman
Time Adventure - Adventure time
Everything thing stays - Adventure Time
Monster - Adventure time
I'm just your problem - Adventure Time
All gummed up - Adventure time
Change - Steven universe
Toss a coin to the Witcher - Sonya Belousova
Wake me up when September ends- Green day
...phew that should be most of them I hope you find something you like!
This is great! I’ll check out as many of these as i can because i finally found a comprehensive list of songs like thos
Ah rocketman! That's why this felt so familiar
Ah, yes. The ever popular My Mechanical Romance.
"Tusk and Bone" by Shaman's Harvest is another good one, it makes me Feel Things and I'm pretty sure it also applies to this trick
Those adventure time songs are great especially everything stays
Awesome. Just great. Especially the Bowie part at the end
Beautiful explanation, thanks man
OMG I've been searching for "E after C" in many ways since last year and still couldn't find why they sounds so special. And today the Big Data lead me here. Great video!!
The first to use this chord (well probably not the first, but ultimately who probably influenced all these people using it today) was Sergei Rachmaninoff. The iiø7 chord used to create a sense of yearning/nostalgia is all over his 2nd Piano Concerto
Yep especially the 2nd movement
I love how a couple of mountain chords are intertwined with an A, B flat minor chord to give an overall feeling of liquorice.
Missed opportunity to mention The Air That I Breath while mentioning Creep and Steven Uni. Best song that did it. Lots of other cool key modulations and stuff in that song as well.