András Schiff - Beethoven, Sonata No. 29, Op. 106 “Hammerklavier Sonate”

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  • Sir András Schiff plays the “Grosse Sonate” Op. 106, live at Wigmore Hall.
    00:01 - I. Allegro
    11:35 - II. Scherzo: Assai vivace
    14:25 - III. Adagio sostenuto, Appassionato e con molto sentimento
    30:52 - IV. Largo, Allegro risoluto, Fuga a tre voci
    43:50 - Applause with Standing Ovation! 👏🏻
    This recital was dedicated to the memory of Bernard Haitink. 12 November 2021
    Here you can find the full recital: • Video

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  • @user-vm4um7xx7k
    @user-vm4um7xx7k 8 місяців тому +9

    In his introductory comments before this performance, Maestro Schiff said that when he was a young man, he could play most of the notes in the sonata, but he had no idea what was going on. Today, he said, is just the opposite! I'll take him at his word - his playing always sounds wonderful to me.

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  8 місяців тому +1

      Yes, I recall that! He always has a wonderful sense of humour🎶

  • @yalz302
    @yalz302 Рік тому +31

    When the Hammer Klavier Sonata ends you know you listened to something extraordinary.

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  Рік тому +4

      Absolutely! I particularly enjoyed the few moments of religious silence and recollection, before the well deserved standing ovation 👏🏻

    • @Fritz_Maisenbacher
      @Fritz_Maisenbacher 8 місяців тому

      Not with Schiff.

    • @gicko2338
      @gicko2338 7 місяців тому +1

      @Fritz_Maisenbacher
      Maybe you don't, but many do. You probably just need to clean your ears and stop poisoning yourself with Glenn Goulds butchering of the piano.

    • @Fritz_Maisenbacher
      @Fritz_Maisenbacher 7 місяців тому

      You answer the wrong person.
      I am not at all a fan of Gould, only for a few works.
      And certainly not the late Beethoven.
      But on this matter I share with Gould the same idol : Artur Schnabel.
      @@gicko2338

    • @Yubin_Lee_Doramelin
      @Yubin_Lee_Doramelin Місяць тому

      You're right - extraordinarily "complicated but outstanding" fugue by Beethoven.

  • @katherineparadis-chateaune8004
    @katherineparadis-chateaune8004 10 місяців тому +4

    THE pianist for Beethoven

  • @christophcloren4740
    @christophcloren4740 8 місяців тому +3

    Indeed - an extraordinary, wonderful interpretation !!

  • @josephchang955
    @josephchang955 Рік тому +5

    Fugues were ALWAYS his specialty and here, we have him serving it out in the only way Beethoven must have heard it in his mind while composing those notes! I’m now curiously ready for an AI version of this fugue

  • @ecaterinaclaudiabota3165
    @ecaterinaclaudiabota3165 Рік тому +4

    Extremely profound and touching interpretation of part 3 of the sonata...

  • @EnriqueBaez-vw8rk
    @EnriqueBaez-vw8rk Рік тому +3

    Unglaublich ! Bravo !!

  • @davidsanchezrodriguez5953
    @davidsanchezrodriguez5953 10 місяців тому +2

    Música muy difícil del repertorio pianístico y muy bien defendida por el maestro.❤

  • @francomassarut4888
    @francomassarut4888 9 місяців тому +3

    34:50 E stato scritto in merito alla sonata 106. Quanto di più grande sia stato concepito da mente umana. Beethoven tu sia giunca il mio abbraccio da cuore a cuore, con un immenso grazie, tu sai il perché.

  • @aureliocivetta3919
    @aureliocivetta3919 2 місяці тому

    autore ed interprete di lusso - complimenti

  • @GMapsRoamer
    @GMapsRoamer 2 роки тому +4

    My favorite!!!

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  2 роки тому +2

      Arguably his piano Opus Magnum, certainly has a primacy in length!🎶

  • @gauriblomeyer1835
    @gauriblomeyer1835 Рік тому +3

    Splendid !

  • @Ludwig142
    @Ludwig142 Рік тому +14

    5:41 fugue!

  • @dinashroff8752
    @dinashroff8752 2 роки тому +5

    Magnificent !

  • @ekaterinakozlovskaia8082
    @ekaterinakozlovskaia8082 11 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for posting. Enjoyed enormously! Interesting to read comments too. Just yesterday I was listening to this sonata for the first time played by Yuja Wang. In general I really like her as a pianist but this one I really didn’t understand in her performance, not not liked but really didn’t understand (someone in the comments felt totally the opposite). As an amateur I enjoyed performance of Andras Schiff so much more (despite all presumable faults). At the end i think it really is down to personal preferences.

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  11 місяців тому +2

      You are very welcome 🙏🏻 and you are absolutely right! What I really appreciate in Schiff’s interpretation is the honesty and the sense of proportions that he brings to music!
      Anyway I must also say that I admire the full commitment in Wang’s playing (…and of course her breath-taking technique!)

  • @zinam5795
    @zinam5795 Рік тому +4

    "Кто ясно мыслит , тот ясно излагает"

    • @zinam5795
      @zinam5795 Рік тому +2

      This Music's for thought ....But not enough listeners, yet , I hope so! BRAVO A.Shiff !

    • @davidschestenger3366
      @davidschestenger3366 4 місяці тому

      Thank you for your comment is very short and extremely beautiful and precise

  • @laurentnuzillard1639
    @laurentnuzillard1639 2 роки тому +5

    la musique classique détend l'essprit

  • @georgesmelki1
    @georgesmelki1 8 місяців тому +1

    In his lecture on the op.106,(available on UA-cam-recorded in 2006) A. Schiff was of the opinion that, in the first movement, the pianists should follow Beethoven's metronome mark of minim= 138, especially since it is the only metronome mark that is due to Beethoven himself, and that , contrary to common belief, Beethoven's metronome was not "wrong", that he had examined it himself etc. So what happened since? With minim=138, the first movement's duration should be less than 8 minutes! This is of course impossible, as the fastest 1st movement so far is 8 mn 50 by Schnabel (minim=120)and we feel it's not right. I believe a reasonable tempo should be close to 10mn or thereabout(See, e.g. Levit, P. Serkin, M. Perahia ...)

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  8 місяців тому +2

      If I recall correctly, in that particular lecture (or in a public conversation with IPO, also available on YT), M. Schiff said that probably the metronome mark was referring to the initial “Motto” (bars 1-4). After that, I agree with you, the piece is to be played most certainly with a flowing tempo, but still humanly playable.

    • @dorette-hi4j
      @dorette-hi4j 12 днів тому

      How do you calculate "less than 8 minutes"? Counting the bars, simple multiplication and division? That is not how it works. A pianist is not a mechanical device, he or she is a musician.

  • @malcolmabram2957
    @malcolmabram2957 Рік тому +2

    :Load of discordant noise. Yet I really enjoy this piece (which is well played) as it is quite simply Beethoven. It is as if I can connect with his mind.

  • @MrKlemps
    @MrKlemps 11 місяців тому +10

    Every great pianist has had detractors. Serkin had a "harsh tone". Schnabel was too "intellectual", even boring. Cortot's technique was terrible. Pollini was insufficiently "expressive". Horowitz was a "show off". But Schiff is accused of being a cheat. That's new territory. And even for being too clear and accurate. What's next? Otto Klemperer was always faking his physical disabilities?!!

    • @marksmith3947
      @marksmith3947 11 місяців тому

      Cortot had such good technique that Horowitz went to study with him. In fact he wanted to learn a certain technical trick. Cortot knew about this and never taught Horowitz what he wanted.

    • @grigorpetrov8006
      @grigorpetrov8006 8 місяців тому +1

      One of the greatest pianists and one of the greatest Hammerklaviers I have ever heard.

    • @bergeronscores605
      @bergeronscores605 7 місяців тому +1

      It's new territory because other people don't do it. I don't have a problem with leaving out a note here and there if It's barely audible so removing it doesn't sacrifice the musical quality and if it's just to make a passage more fluid and accurate sounding. But what Schiff did at the beginning of this was egregious.

  • @lorenzoborgognoni
    @lorenzoborgognoni 6 місяців тому +2

    21:20 Brahms IV

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  6 місяців тому +1

      La quarta di Brahms è un meraviglioso insieme di citazioni a Bach ma soprattutto a Beethoven!🎶

  • @MaScalo4508
    @MaScalo4508 Рік тому +7

    Nice simplifications, Andras…

    • @Farahmand1010
      @Farahmand1010 Рік тому

      Hello, can I ask you what do you mean by there? Thank you

    • @MaScalo4508
      @MaScalo4508 Рік тому +5

      @@Farahmand1010, I mean that all the arduous parts around the sonata are simplified. I had faith and clicked on this video, but as soon as I saw the right hand at 0:20, I just gave up. 2:26 sounds just silly, the big chords at the beginning sound empty… I don’t know what Andras is thinking, I don’t care at all, he is just not doing justice to this sonata, which should have been feared by pianists after more than 200 years after its completion.

    • @chester6343
      @chester6343 Рік тому +2

      In his defence he is in his late 60s and he doesn't have a large reach, but even in his youth he has simplified parts of music to make them more accessible I guess, notably Chopin's last prelude. Still an absolutely phenomenal pianist and teacher in my opinion, I really don't care if his technique isn't the greatest of all time.

    • @MaScalo4508
      @MaScalo4508 Рік тому +4

      @@chester6343, Pollini, at 80, recorded the Hammerklavier. Not a simplification to be seen. Schiff is a great musician, but I think he would be an even greater one if he made more mistakes.

    • @chester6343
      @chester6343 Рік тому

      @@MaScalo4508 recorded

  • @primeralineaeteeerna3098
    @primeralineaeteeerna3098 Місяць тому

    18:30

  • @charlottewhyte9804
    @charlottewhyte9804 7 місяців тому

    baren boim still i the lead

  • @BrianPaick
    @BrianPaick 9 місяців тому +2

    Beautiful 3rd movement, 4th movement sounded like he was straining himself -- perhaps time to retire this one from his repertoire

  • @Fritz_Maisenbacher
    @Fritz_Maisenbacher 8 місяців тому +1

    33:28 this is ridiculous. Is he playing a Chopin waltz ? What is this for a non-funny joke ?
    Schiff, if you are not able to, play everything else, but do not shit on this holy score.

  • @marksmith3947
    @marksmith3947 11 місяців тому +5

    Schiff varies the tempo a lot in the fugue. It's not rubato-- it's just annoying.

  • @petrouchka2011
    @petrouchka2011 Рік тому +17

    Schiff’s tendency to fudge difficult chords by omitting inner voice notes is getting worse and worse these days. From the very beginning, I can point out so many fudges, starting from 0:19. Overall very poor sonority😢
    He even intentionally omits the bass for the sake of an easier leap in the left hand. 0:48, 3:30. I am willing to hear a bunch of wrong notes rather than these simplifications.

    • @gauriblomeyer1835
      @gauriblomeyer1835 Рік тому +7

      Totally wrong, all what counts is the inner ecstasy one feels when listening to music. And there is no authentic way how to play. The so called composers have anyhow copied all what they heard when entering the hidden world of music once created by our Mahashakti with their intuition key once given to them before their birth. And these great copy personalities have made themselves here and there mistakes they would correct today. Andras Schiff enters into the music as the copy personalities and let’s us feel the joy which the music was meant for. I am very happy to listen to the excellent performance of Andras Schiff, specially on his superior Bösendorfer grand piano.

    • @lvb1770
      @lvb1770 Рік тому +5

      Mmmm, Fudge (Homer voice) Just listened Yuga Wang play it after Schiff. She destroys him. Schiff is getting older but I've always felt there was something too delicate about his touch. His playing doesn't move me that much. Schnabel is probably my favorite Beethoven performer. I heard Murray Perihia play it live and it was epic!

    • @samuelhillmusic
      @samuelhillmusic Рік тому +3

      @@lvb1770 Yuja's definitely more of a super-virtuosic player than Schiff, but the two have performed together before, and I doubt she'd appreciate you pitting them against each other. They're both wonderful pianists and I appreciate both of their performances of this sonata for different reasons.

    • @quaver1239
      @quaver1239 Рік тому +21

      @( . o . ) Oh crikey. You obviously were not at the concert. Schiff said, “When I was young I could play all the notes, but I didn’t understand the sonata at all. Nowadays it’s exactly the opposite.” He added, “But what must we do? Give up? I play it because it is one of the greatest marks of western civilisation.” So he apologised to his audience because he knew he could not play all the notes anymore. But the spirit of Beethoven is here in this performance, and his love and respect for the music. And his very, very deep knowledge. He knows his limitations, and is a humble person. His entire life is music. It is what he has lived for and is living for. Give him a break, please, you young experts. I hope that when you are his age you will be as filled with musical and life wisdom as Schiff is, and that you will be able to acknowledge your limitations as cleanly as he does. He is one utterly courageous man.

    • @quaver1239
      @quaver1239 Рік тому +7

      @@lvb1770 : Murray Perahia is his name. Yuja is a fine pianist, but I have also heard her play thirds when she should be playing successive octaves; every pianist worth their salt knows, when they play, exactly what they are capable of during any given performance, and they act accordingly. Yuja, however, is far from mature enough to understand the Hammerklavier as deeply as András Schiff does. And this shows in her renderings.

  • @FleetwoodMacadamia
    @FleetwoodMacadamia 10 місяців тому +1

    a real travesty to have this video cluttered with shameless, useless advertisements. an actual blasphemy

    • @musikalischesopfer
      @musikalischesopfer  10 місяців тому

      I do agree! Unfortunately I can’t remove them since I don’t own the copyright of the video🙏🏻

    • @Paroles_et_Musique
      @Paroles_et_Musique 7 місяців тому +1

      I bought premium and all advertisements gone. You people should understand that nothing of quality is free, subscribe and you will be happy, it's not expensive.

  • @Alekos-Maniatis
    @Alekos-Maniatis Рік тому +10

    I think, just my opinion, that Andras is an overrated pianist. Everything is fine, bureaucratic and well-behaved. But it's a pity that a "A. Schnabel" is no longer relevant here. Ah, how boring the "ship".

    • @joelmacinnes2391
      @joelmacinnes2391 Рік тому +1

      Schnabel was a brilliant pianist no doubt, and some of his interpretations are my favorites, but his only recording of op.106 is a mess, his outer movements are chaotic, accurate mostly but out of control

  • @xavier-charlescatta2974
    @xavier-charlescatta2974 Місяць тому

    I just listened yo Ashkenazy recording live 1980. Much better. Ashkenazy underrated, Schiff overrated.
    Sorry, many good things but I dislike.