No matter what anyone adds or removes from the game, SCH and MCH will always be unpopular and mocked. Neither class gets any respect because other classes can do what they do better. MCH plays so well tho and SCH I loved because it's so easy to survive playing it. But it should have had a new range AoE a long time ago. Running in for an AoE is dumb for a mage.
@@kokayinewsome9308 WHM does the same thing with Holy, though. I guess I largely agree. Though I love both MCH and SCH for the class fantasy. Machinists (and the MCH Job quests) are basically the embodiment of the British Bowman and the American Second Amendment/Minutemean/militiamen. This idea of the "common person", employing "baser" tactics and weapons instead of the elegant arts of war in use by the nobility - who are privileged to have years of training time and tutors over their youth to master them - because they want to be able to stand and defend their people anyway. In the middle ages, the British basically did this with archery, and the US has for over 250 years with gun rights, but the core concept is the same: That the little people have something they can do to be effective in war to protect their people. With a dash of steampunk on the side. :D The Scholar, on the other hand, is a combination of scholar in the student/seeker of knowledge sense, and a battlefield strategist who became leaders and officers. Individuals known for their combination of mental acuity and magical aptitude, specializing in healing but also masters of asymmetric warfare and outside the box thinking. They are (along with Arcanist) a somewhat literal take on mathmagicians in FFXIV's world, with a touch of military training and rank on the side. Then you add in that they work synergisticly with their Faerie partner (another reason I hate the Dissipation skill...) and that their magic is even more tuned towards protecting than simply healing people after they've taken harm. Taken together, these are probably my two favorite classes in the game in terms of lore and class fantasy. And I honestly like how they both play well enough, I just dislike how SCH's kit often seems at war with itself, meaning it's much more difficult to play than it NEEDS to be, and how MCH is so ping dependent and needs to either do more damage OR offer party buffs like NIN/DNC/BRD do that make up for their lower personal damage. MCH either needs to stand up towards BLM/SAM or it needs to get utility added like DRG/MNK/SMN.
@@SubduedRadical I agree, I love MCH as my 3rd main, part of my holy trinity. NIN, SMN, and MCH. I dont think they should be so hated but people hate them because, from the outside looking in, Square cant seem to figure out what to do with them to make them more unique or cool when compared to SAM, BLM, or WHM. Personally I would make SCH better by giving it traps and reflect spells to counter dmg and paralyze foes. And I'd give MCH new gadgets that give it lots of unconventional attack AOEs or patterns to show why its unique and more than just the hard hitting shooter class with no utility.
I see two fairies in the Expedience icon. They should have given scholar double fairies. That would have been a nice exciting twist, Eos AND Selene, sorta like Neutral Sect originally. It would've been... something.
@@SeralthSparro I just mean the deployment of 2 simultaneous fairies, not that they would be different from each other. Although I would like it if they WERE different from each other again...
There is also a small thing, pet scale for Scholar seems to be increased from 66% to 92%. It means fairy’s skills are buffed despite it looks nerfed on the surface.
@@lightjohn125 it was observed from Larry’s video with calculations. Pet scale is hidden scale, the dev never tells you about the changes. Therefore a lot of people don’t even know it existed.
@@killerofbutter It was based on the comparison between fairy's number and other skills' potency shown in the video. Larry himself didn't say anything about it.
I am really disappointed with this... they had a chance to do so much with it, like having two fairies at lvl 90 like the Tamer in Rappelz Online, maybe having one that focuses on healing and the other on damage while reworking more skills to be cast from the pets. Instead we still have a useless and clunky pet that's just really cool thematically but has a useless spell that's never good in a pinch; not to mention a buff that should've been given to the BRD. Maybe the outrage will be so big they'll rework it mid expansion and give it a MNK treatment. I just see Sage as being the better version of Scholar in every aspect.
I don't understand why they need to make the fairy so slow and unresponsive. Your minions that follow you around react to your movement faster than the stupid fairy. If they can make the minion follow right next to my ass, surely they can figure something out for the fairy. Why does it only start moving when you are 7 yalms away from it? Why does embrace have a cast time? Making embrace instant cast would solve half of the problem that the fairy have, what is the limitation that would prevent them from making such changes? It's an effective class for sure, but it's also one of the most frustrating thing to play when things doesn't go right
Other than Embrace (and I agree with you, btw), I would wager it has something to do with non-combat pets don't function in combat. What I mean by this is, they have no abilities or health (combat pets USED to have this, and so likely still use the same coding) or positions that matter, so they're probably handled client side. Every play with someone else (maybe in the same room or on a stream) and you move and see your non-combat pet move, but on their screen, it lags and is actually in a different position for a few seconds? That doesn't matter with non-combat pets because their cosmetic. So it following you on the client side while the server takes a few 100s ms to update isn't an issue, since they have no relevance. Conversely, Lily needs to update her position on the Server side FIRST, then send that visual information to the clients. That way, if you order her to use an ability, the SERVER knows who all to calculate it hitting, which is necessary in combat. . Short version: Cosmetic things don't matter, so they can be on the client or server side; combat things have to be server side, which means there's going to be a bit of lag before the visual information is sent to the client. This is likely why that lag exists.
@@SubduedRadical I am very well aware that the delay exist because fairy coordinate is handle through server. What I don't understand however, why isn't this a high priority in the list of changes. As you said, AI that are handle locally can react much faster, so they could make the fairy location be local. Truth be told, Sch is the only person that ever pay attention to the fairy, I doubt anybody would ever complain about how "The Sch fairy just spazz out during the mechanic and I didn't know what to do" It will look funny on other people pov, because the fairy and it's skill would be visually desync. But that doesn't matter, as long as the scholar is the one that is aware of the pet, that is the most important part. Obviously, I make it sound simpler than it actually is. If it was this easy they would have done it long ago. However, they don't ever tell us what is the problem, or why they can't do it. They know that it is a broken AI, that's the reason why SMN pets is just aesthetic now. So now we only have sch who have this unique problem. And sadly, they never invite any Sch main to interview YoshiP for these questions, sometimes it truly feel like they are just avoiding any question regard sch.
@@mackv.4179 Well, I'm saying the reason it HAS to be on the server side is the server has to determine "Is Eos within Embrace/Fey Blessing/etc range of the targets?" And so that's probably why it works the way it does. Imo, one fix would be to have Lily move faster and not wait for you to get 7-10y away before she starts moving, and another good idea would be make Embrace instant cast and all her abilities castable while moving (like if you use an Instant on your character while moving). This would mean she'd never be "animation locked" in casting an Embrace when you move, for example. Because of the way combat works, I THINK her position HAS to be server side because of targeting range calculations. But I do believe that they could do the fixes above and it would make her WAY more responsive. And yes, I agree this should be a super high priority and I have no idea why it isn't. Maybe they want everyone to play Sage at first, like how they took BRD buffs and gave them all to DNC, only giving some back to BRD after BRDs all started switching mains? It made DNC look super popular, though!
imo the broil cast change, could make up for a lot of scholars clunkiness (mainly having to ruin II for ogcds, which is always a feels bad). only the faerie gauge being basically useless now is kind of sad, as well as dissipation and pet AI in general.
@@TheColdestplay They need to SERIOUSLY rethink Dissipation into something else. The fact it locks you out of half your kit makes no sense and no other Job has to deal with that. And SCH has considerable clunk and awkwardness overall.
The complaint about sch has always been about the "feel" of the class. I have no doubt that balance/number wise sch will be good, as it always has been, but it looks like they haven't improved the feel of it.
I wish you'd brought up that the main issue with SCH isn't that it's "weak" -- it's that as far as I know, there is no other class whose kit is constantly at war with itself. You brought up the faery gauge up briefly, and that's just one example of what's supposed to be a major part of our kit that ends up being contradictive (can't use fairy skills without breaking it, can't use it on Seraph -- and now is even less useful w/o Blessing), among at least 2-3 other major conflicts that make the class feel like you're better off avoiding most of the skills unless you're desperate. And then there's the whole problem(s) with the fairy. tldr: viability has never been the problem, SCH constantly hobbling itself is.
"whose kit is constantly at war with itself" - the EXACT words I've used to describe it. Amen! SCH is possibly the most powerful healer in the game right now. It's just clunky and obnoxious to play.
So the main issues with SCH remain, Aetherpact is the only skill that uses the Fairy Gauge again and the only new skills are Thrill of Battle and Temperance. So nothing really to look forward to for SCH.
It's better that Fairy Gauge is being used for only Fey Union. Fey Blessing was too simple and weak compared to Union. By using Union, you'll make Blessing unusable. If you use Blessing, you've increased the number of charges you need to fully charge Union by 1. It's not like aethercharge. It just stepped over itself too much. The +10% MAX HP buff is a percentage that will always heal 10% HP AND boost the healing you do them by 10%. Allowing you to creating even bigger barriers to brute force mechanics with. Temperance reduces damage taken and increases the healing WHM does to you. Expedient is a 20 second sprint and reduces damage taken. Unlike Temperance, Expedient allows you got get to where you need to be faster. The faster you get from point A to B, the faster you get to go back to attacking. The faster you get to where you need to be, THE FASTER YOU WIN.
A lot of speculation is that they just ran out of time to do it before launch. It's not surprising considering they had a new healer to build from the ground up and is also a shield healer. It's either coming on its own later on or will be forced by player numbers plummeting. They did like half of the stuff I wanted fixed, now we just need the other half where they synergize stuff better.
@@frankytanky5076 That and the fact they somewhat reworked AST (again)... I'm hoping it means they'll fix SCH up once they see how all the new healer/healing changes are playing and balancing out. Fingers crossed!
Scholar can be so much more interesting making the faeries actually different Eos can literally be all about healing and shielding while Selene can be all about debuffing and damage increases. They can do so much with it
@@Kekira That's silly logic. Instead of making Selene more useful, let's take away Selene's uniqueness and turn her into a glamour so everyone has to use Eos. There are lots of ways they could have made Selene more viable instead of turning her into a glamour.
@@ianheckman6655 its probably because damage usually always wins out. I agree they should be different, but it should be much more minor. One adds a regen, another adds a shield. Something for flavor and let's you switch based on your healing partner. Like ShB Astro-lite.
@@damenlapalm5609 Or just make them summons you want to alternate a la SMN. Eos for healing enhancements cooldown, Selene for DPS enhancements cooldown; but you're still not pigeonholed to pick one permanent fairy.
@@phoenixgames3351 Actually made gameplay a bit interesting, unlike it just being a flat cooldown by default with no variation. Kinda like how AST damage buffs are just flatly the same percentage every time now, you've got nothing to work towards anymore! It's just given to you automatically
The fairy ghosting attacks and management is really what's pushing me to Sage. I like the concept of Scholar, but I have had sooooo many occasions of a fairy skill disappearing into the unknown.
Honestly, as long as pet ghosting through eos is dead, that's good enough for me. Seraph eating commands because you're trying to cram them into the last 2 seconds sucks, but it's not *that* hard to play around. Eos ghosting rapid fire commands for literally no reason was the bigger issue, that and taking like 3 seconds to actually do the command. Larry's vid showcased pet commands weaved after every broil, and they looked much snappier there at least. Granted there were no embraces to muddy things, but there does seem to be legitimate improvement.
yeah the pets are by far what pushed me away from SMN and what bothers me on SCH. if they remove the fairie or fix pets then most of my problems with the class will be over.
@@melb3mel Yea, just don't push Seraph skills til the end. Generally you summon her when you need some huge healing anyway so I almost always just use the 2 charges right away. Maybe it was really just his connection, but from what I've seen on many of the other videos the fairy skills looked pretty damn instant to me, and there was quite an upgrade from what we got now. Is it absolutely instant? No. But I can settle for at least close to it.
Ghosting is entirely your fault. You stopped the fairy from doing those actions. Like seriously. You just mashed those fairy skilled and expected it all to come out like a WHM's assize didn't you. You never took the time to look and when you mashed all 4 abilities then mashed Summon Seraph or Dissipation, you go "DURRR WHY FAIRY NO DO MOVE DURRR" like an absolute moron. YOU DISMISSED THE PET BEFORE SHE DID HER THING! What did you think was going to happen??? What's more concerning is that someone as stupid as you going to play Sage. An infinitely more busy job. In no time you'll be going "DURR I ATTACK WHY YOU ALL DIE DRR" Cause kardia only heals one player genius. LEARN HOW SHIT WORKS! But oh wait, you had all of 9 years to learn SCH and you still don't understand it. Total lost cause.
@@hiddenmaster6062 Interesting approach to a reply. Have only been playing for a few months and still have much to learn for sure, but constructively speaking there are better ways to educate people on their mistakes than this approach. It's entirely possible I'm moving through the fairy skills too quickly, that's a fair thing to point out and now I know to look at it more. Anyway, despite the tact you took here, I do hope you have a good day and I'll consider the feedback you gave.
I am extremely disappointed and my day is ruined. I was hoping for more changes to the fairy gauge, as I honestly never felt like I relied on it at all. Nothing seems to have changed for the class overall. It could be said that they're keeping to the original playstyle which is great but... I think everyone WANTED a change.
If by original playstyle you mean post 5.0 then yeah, it's exactly the same with a couple of potency changes. The class plays exactly the same whether you are level 50 or level 90. I still miss Heavensward SCH with like 6 DoT to manage and stance dancing, now that was some engaging stuff. That will forever remain as the original playstyle in my mind.
I started playing the came for Scholar's aesthetic and I DO like the new skills. Protraction in particular has my attention. And the 10% AoE mitigation seems more important to me than the speed boost on Expedient. However, compare to other jobs which got more updates to old abilities, I still feel like the lack of variation in the offensive side of the Scholar. The Sage and Scholar healing kits are so similar that I am very much hoping that they'll push SCH a bit more towards being a buffer/debuffer to mirror AST in the Pure Healer category. Anything to make the OFFENSIVE side of the Scholar more interactive and push it further away from its Barrier Healer counterpart.
Why has no one tried using all the healing buffs on a crit spreadlo yet... seems like with buff the adlo's potency and all the heal buffs now, that crit spreadlo is going to be extremely powerful and no one is talking about it. Makes me wonder if its just me grasping at straws as a sch main lololol
I can't see SCH not being updated like mid expansion, thinking like MNK. It's not like SCH won't clear content, it's pure effectiveness was never in question. It's that the job didn't mesh with itself and feel good. Useless gauge, lv60+70 abilities go against each other, pet A.I., (personal part) loss of complexity. It worries me that, if I remember correctly, SE said they saw nothing wrong with SCH and weren't sure what to do to it for EW.
They didn't say they saw nothing wrong with this, just that they couldn't think of what to give SCH this expansion. It does feel like the job will be reworked/changed either mid expansion or when the next one comes out, they don't seem to know where to go with it.
SCH has been gutted to the ground and with Sage out in EW I can't see why anyone would keep playing it. Maybe it's time to make the fairies distinct again, or even give some of old dot stuff back (i.e. flare, 2nd dot, bane).
@@RyugaHidekiOrRyuzaki it will be a stronger raid healer simply because it is a better utility healer. Sage looks more fun on paper, but rdps and utility is the name of the game in end game content.
@@waa3866 you're not wrong, but already mentioned it's viability isn't the issue. Content will be cleared without issue. SE wouldn't want AST all over again. It's how SCH plays and feels as a WHOLE kit is the issue.
Agreed. SCH's power is not the problem - it's probably the most powerful healer when played well - the problem is it's clunky and many of its abilities actively fight against each other. I likely it to moving a large, empty box through your house. It's not HARD, it's just annoying, bulky, and obnoxious to maneuver through doorways. That's SCH.
The most exciting thing about SCH in Endwalker is the cast time change to match AST's SCH has tons of OGCDs so this is quite a big buff it seems. Still, nothing super flashy, and pet control still seems to be unchanged. Fairy commands need to be instant, no matter what... You press the button, and it does the thing without any kind of delay, or ghosting. THAT's the buff SCH needs.
yeah but it had a weaving button unlike WHM, if you spent an aether on drain that would be a potency gain, there is literally no reason to use ruin now because it will always be a potency loss, you should always be using broil+drain. in comparison WHM is a lot stronger now because it can cast its OGCDs without potency loss. so SCH did get better, but WHM got A LOT stronger because of it.
@@frankytanky5076 I mean... yeah, that is a good point, forgot about that. but its not like you can't move in the broil window, you just need to be a lot smarter with how you move and position to not lose an gcd. what is also another problem WHM had since dia is so weak.
@@danilooliveira6580 Well that helps both though. WHM and SCH are not in conflict of each other. Both are great to bring into a party. It's amazing now that Broil can be used with weaving, and I assume Ruin 2 is there if you ever need to move a lot or have to double weave instead.
@@theexiledones1 but it helps WHM a lot more. that is actually a change WHM really needed, because most of thr WHM heals were very low priority because of the huge potency loss when used out of one of the natural healing windows. what made WHM really boring in hard content, and a pain in the ass to play with WHM as a co-healer. while for the SCH spending a aether to create a weaving window with ruin+drain was actually a very small potency gain. the balancing being that drain is an ogcd, so whenever you had a window to use it, aetherflow would be off cd, meaning you could use your aether to heal without losing much. but now that you can weave it betweens broils every ogcd heal that uses aether will be an 100 potency loss. but the WHM ? most of its heals were low priority because of the lack of weaving windows, but now that it can weave any time without losing potency and it gained a very strong ogcd that heals in AOE, all of its heals will be very high priority all that to say that yes, it made the SCH stronger, but it also made most of the problems with the class more apparent and indirectly nerfed it by buffing WHM a lot more.
Thinking about it: This didn't fix SCH's major issues - any of them. AI, ghosting, a kit that often is at war with itself; these things all remain. SCH will continue to be useful for organized Savage and definitely for Ultimate raiders, but to the rest of the player base/community, it's probably going to become the least played healer. It may not appear as such on charts, but that will be because of SMN's getting it as a "free" 90 that they never touch. Still powerful - still clunky. Like moving a large, empty box through your house, it's not that the box is broken or weak or heavy, it's just awkward, clunky, and obnoxious to maneuver through doorways. That's SCH.
I played SCH for months this year and I was okay in dungeons. But I didnt like how hard it is to do AOE damage with itm why make a mage run in to do AoE damage
Thanks for making this video. And I think your right scholar has a lot of Impactful stuff, but none of its flashy and non of it feels impactful for you as the player. Fey union , chain strat , and now the movement speed, I feel like are just use and forget kinda skills. Nothing that’s actively flashy or cool while the buff is on .
If they just reduce the expedient cooldown it would be such a great abbility. Everyone else got damage, give me high mobility and utility and i will call it even, sometimes even a win.
Thank you for the comment about aesthetic! It seems so stupid a thing to be hung up on, but in the face of the other three healers having such a strong identity, the techno/fairy/eh mishmash really stands out in all the wrong ways.
Want to add a major correction here. At 4:00 you state that Sage is using an extra second to boost its base spells - I assume this to be a reference to Eukrasia. Eukrasia itself is a 1 second GCD, yes, but all the Eukrasia-boosted spells have a 1.5s recast, so you don't actually use up extra time with it overall, it's just an extra button press.
All I want is a separate gauge for my heal spells and damage spells. That's all I want. Or delete aetherflow and just make the cd's longer. I can't be the only one that feels this way.
I like Aetherflow, I just wish there were more stacks of it cuz they go quickly, especially now that you'll be able to weave Aetherflow OGCDs between casts at no dps loss. 4 is a good number, but 5 would be awesome, that way you can more freely spend it on Lustrate/Energy Drain when all other Aether spells are on cooldown. Excog is the one ability that I think should have it's Aetherflow cost removed, and just be a regular 60sec cd. I would love to see a trait that makes it so you have a % chance of getting Aetherflow through DPS, even if it's just %5 per charge on each Broil cast.
I wish they would have given SCH's a shield AF spender. For the "barrier/shield" healer in the game, it's bizarre their main mechanic (Aetherflow) has no synergy with shields. Think about it. Imagine if SCH had something like WHM's Divine Benison on a 30 sec CD that used an Aetherflow. You could use that if AF is coming off CD and you still have a stack to spend. Instead they just gave ED back and...bleh.
@@SubduedRadical a ogcd shield on aetherflow is all i want LMAO. Its harder to shield a tankbuster on the fly with scholar -a "shield" healer- than whitemage, which will have 2 charges of benison. Granted exgotation is a very strong "shield", but yeah i just don't understant how the shield healer SCH doesn't get an ogcd shield 🙄 aside from seraph which is a 2 min cooldown and again pet jankyness. Sch needs if not a rework, just probably a cleanup
@@petrus9067 Agreed. Pet AI/ghosting issues aside, there are other simple things they could do that would vastly improve the flow and function of the Job, I just don't know why they won't do them. An AF spender Divine Benison would be a super easy thing to do, for example. If they're worried about shield stacking, just make it a Galvanize effect and make it equal to Adlo in potency or something so it'd just be like Swiftcasting an Adlo without the heal at the cost of an AF. That seems entirely sensible.
I was really worried about Scholars future because it didn't get any substantial changes that would make it stand out from Sage who definitely stole it's thunder.
Protraction being an AoE would've actually been pretty hype; but alas, its single target. Still pretty good though; I imagine this will help SCH with those situations other healers could just throw 1 button heals onto. Speed Boost is going to get so many parties killed; and I await the vids of people wiping their groups by accident (on purpose). That being said; the rest is pretty dire. More Broil-ing, Art of Slap the Floor 2.0, and the Fairy Gauge still feels like an unfinished mechanic. Sad to also hear the initial positive news on the Fairy AI may have also been a placebo. Hopefully its something that they can work on; but its been a problem since SCH's inception, so we'll see.
What exactly do you want Fairy Gauge to do that Fey Union doesn't already do? Keep in mind you gotta use 10 charges to charge up a powerful automatic heal that does healing you don't need to do because it is automatic healing, which is healing you don't have to do yourself. Blessing stepped on itself too much to keep its gauge cost. It was just a simple and weak AoE heal. And Speed boost isn't going to get parties killed. Most players don't run on a timer like they're too mentally challenged to LOOK WHERE THEY'RE GOING. Have you even used Lost Impetus before?
@@hiddenmaster6062 Fey Union is still pretty wonky; what with its tiny tether, and if its going to be the one and only use for the gauge, it might as well be charge or timer. I'm assuming your talking about the Fairy eating actions? I mean, that sucks more with a gauge cost; but its still a problem. At least having a cost to it was a kind-of-sort-of reason for the Gauge to exist? Experienced parties are going to love the movement speed buff, and will use it to their advantage. Even without thinking the devs will be designing content around the party having access to it. Randoms are going to forget they are in full run speed when they have animations off, or when the cheeky SCH feels like just making people move very fast in forced marches. So yeah; I think it'll still be funny.
@@pockystyx4087 The tether is 15 yalms long. The fairy doesn't move while using it. If your tether is broken that means the target is out of range. You do NOT use it on players who are actively move AWAY. It's that simple. And if you see that the target is out of range, disengage the union. You're a healer, you can easily see what's happening. Fey Union is the only HoT in the game that can extended while it's active. At full power it will last 30 seconds and up to 48 if you've used aethercharges during its use. Additionally you can turn it on at any time. You seriously want to fuck yourself because managing one of the best HoTs in the game is too much for you!? It can also be charged one minute sooner by using dissipation.... And you want THAT changed to something WHM has, right? :| Nobody said anything about ghosting. If you use Blessing, you've weakened Union. If you use Union, you've made Blessing unavailable. The cost of Blessing is added nothing to the gauge. It just took away from it like Upheaval and Onslaught did to WAR because the resource gain was unchanged. It was a simple AoE heal and a weak one at that. Ghosting is the result of the player having done something to prevent the pet from doing its actions. Such as mashing dissipation before Eos uses whispering dawn after you pushed that button. Stupid idiots just go "DURRR I NO KNOW WHAT HAPPUN DURR". They're mashing buttons and dismissing pets too fast is what happened. What did they think was going to happen? They're not making content specifically for it just like they never did for Rescue. Have you missed out on Shadowbringers?
@@hiddenmaster6062 I've played since HW, so yeah; I know the many, many issues SCH has had over the years. But; are you ok? You seem a little to worked up about this. Its a little hard to follow what exactly you're trying to talk about here.
@@pockystyx4087 Yeah. I'm just sick of SCHs circle jerking the same brain dead garbage and pretending they even want the job to be its own thing. They hate change and they always want it to be just like WHM.
Square Enix continues their character assassination of my favorite class. How we have fallen, from arguable the most popular healer in Stormblood to easily the least. All you have to do is give us Stormblood Scholar bad, SE
The sad thing is, SCH is probably the most powerful healer right now. It's just CLUNKY. It has abilities that fight against each other like Dissipation and ANY Faerie Ability or Energy Drain and ANY Aetherflow healing (instead of giving ED back, they should have given SCH something like WHM's Divine Benison so they could burn extra stacks on shielding instead of "over heal or sit on your thumbs") SB SCH isn't coming back - they don't want DPS focused healers. ...other than Sage. Because why not give the new guy all the cool toys? XD They did the same thing with DNC in ShB; took BRD's buffs away saying they didn't want a buffing Job/role, then gave them all to DNC, then reluctantly gave some back to BRD when people started quitting BRD. SCH is a serviceable healer, but I've come to see it like trying to move a large empty box: It's not HEAVY/HARD...it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try moving through doorways.
I'm really not sure whats intended to happen when you cast a command while the faerie is moving. like on the one hand I could kind of see how delaying it until it gets to you makes sense so the aoe happens in a more controlled area, but then they should have made the a.i. follow you more aggressively and closely. I've seen people say to just make the faerie aesthetic and not actually be a pet, but I still like the ability to place my faerie as a turret.
Easy fix: Make Dissipation a toggle and rename it "Shoulder Lily". The effect is the Faerie will sit on your shoulder (like it does at the end of the LB3 animation) and whenever you order it to use abilities, they will be instant, no movement, and centered on you. So Lily will just be cosmetic at that point. When you toggle it off, it returns to the normal state so she can be used as a turret or otherwise as she's currently used. I hate Dissipation now, so this would be a better use for the hotbar slot, imo.
@@christopherclayton5500 I've never fucking used it XD. It already was such a useless skill. All it really does is allow for a slight dps gain. But for the cost of aetherstacks.. no thanks.
@@cosmosofinfinity Exactly. It's insulting because it actually COSTS aetherflow for like.. a 20% dps gain for that rotation. How revolutionary... It'd be useful if it actually gave you one aetherflow on use and had a cool down. You know.. since it's called Energy DRAIN. The removal of the mana from it doesn't bother me anyways. I am already good enough at managing my resources that I can keep my team topped off, dps, and never once even worry about mana unless my team is dying repeatedly from stupid shit. But us scholar mains subjected ourselves to it's useless presence, probably forever, because when they tried to remove it from us an expansion or two ago, everybody bitched about it so they gave it back -_-
People are sleeping on some of these new tools. Remember that the shield potencies are now 180%, which is pretty nutty. Use adlo on the tank with protraction up and spread it with the now super short deployment cooldown, and you're going to have some nutty mitigation that's up pretty frequently. The only real issue I've had with clipping the fairy is if you try to spam all of it's cooldowns at once, but it feels responsive enough. Only issue I still have with it is that it needs to be triggered to stop moving to cast as I press the button if I'm moving for a mechanic. Expedient is a fucking fantastic cooldown. Other than the pet movement issue, Sch is likely to be meta defining for the 5th expansion in a row provided Sage's potencies aren't ridiculous enough to beat out Sch's utility and flexibility.
IMO, Misshapen Chair's video about scholar about a week ago provides one of the most succinct summaries of what some wish they would "fix" about scholar.
Will scholar be as overly exciting and flashy as Sage? no. Will it be still strong where it matters? Absolutely. it's just more of what made scholar strong.
They should buff scholar healing by adding more shields and regens. WHM has massive grp regen, ogcd heals, gcd aoe Holy spam with cherry on top 6 second stuns, 30 sec spammable huge potency regen, grp wide regen, full heal ogcd, cure 3, etc. AST is second strongest healer with aspects to balance between shielding like SCH but even better or healing like WHM. Scholar gets a pet with one-third potency of Physicks...LOL. Thats a regen from WHM who gets it as group wide and in more than two forms and a single target spammable regen with far greater regen potency.
So Scholars already have sacred soil and are getting a group wide sprint ability and a health top up ability? I know they have issues but doesn't that mean they have some really tasty utility? If the devs give them some love to polish them up, they've some good raw material to end up being really nice in my opinion.
I agree I wanted more fey spells or abilities at least 1....and also I know we can use stay and all ... but I never signed up for a turret like let's be real what happened to the turret MCH got? Now it's a Kween... owell
Imagine crit adlos now with 180% shield from galvanize itself plus the catalyze shield. Not sure if it will be 180% too but its going to be a hella big single target shield for sure
The fairy's embrace is actually less potency than cardia because pets do 20% less potency, also embrace is cast every 3 seconds as opposed to cardia proccing every gcd, so at least every 2.5s
There needs to be an update to AF. I've actually tried re leveling Sch recently on an Alt to see if I missed anything first time round and my verdict is, I didn't. It's just clunky and feels very old fashioned to use. Sticking with Astro all the way to the end(walker).
So, maybe I'm wrong, but surely the change in shield size is massive for SCH healers output. Like, emergency tactics succor/adlo is now a massive heal. If we consider WHM plenary adds 200 potency to an AOE gcd heal every 60sec, ET now adds 240 potency to an AOE gcd heal every 15 sec. I know potency isn't yet confirmed but this seems a massive buff to their ability to output massive heals. On adlo, its 840 potency every 15 sec.
Oh I actually like it. These changes are very good in certain scenarios as a huge fan of scholar I'm definitely looking forward to seeing with some great scholar players can do
I've played enough WoW to see AOE Sprint and actually be excited. People in 14 are really not appreciating how nice that is in an organized raid setting when people need to move/adjust quickly for a mechanic, and with 14's "scripted dance" nature, I'd expect it to be good here. It's pretty sad how many people are on the "Sage is new so Scholar is dead" bandwagon.
I think it can be useful in certain situations, yeah. In a well practiced group, absolutely. But for those of us who mostly play roulettes with randos, it is disappointing to see that it is our level cap skill. Everyone else got lazers and bigbooms, and we got second sprint.
FF14 raid design is too homogenized for AOE sprint to be as good as it is in WOW. In WOW basically every raid has at least one fight where you need to book it across a giant room or else you wipe, FF14's small circles aren't comparable. Blizzard is also much more willing to make mythic content unclearable without specific classes than SE is with Savage lol.
Everyone memeing on expediant doesnt realize how strong party sprint is in high end content. All my wow refugee bros know all about druids party movespeed buff and how insane it is. Only thing holding scholar back is how its trying to be 3 seperate themes at once and not really unified in scope
Being a strong class is good especially to fit in the meta but most people would rather look flashy and cool and do a little bit worse and I think that's going to be a breaking point for a lot of people that aren't fully decided on if they want to play sch or sage.
Not to mention that most loud SCH are to fucking stupid to understand how they're job even works. They just want it to be WHM (stupidly simple) or BRD (DoTs). Meanwhile Sage will be dropped because it'll be too busy. They'll find that it has been rigged in such a way that using healing spell is inevitable, more so than it is with the Scholar.
1:00 - Sucks they didn't do anything else with gauge, but I am glad they removed Fey Blessing from needing it. It was stupid to have an ability that uses 3 Aetherflow's worth of gauge but ALSO shares a CD with Aetherflow anyway, and is nominally weaker than every other AOE heal you have despite having arguably the longest cooldown and resource cost, collectively. 1:40 - Not to bust your balls on this one, Haps, but the tooltip says "of A party member" not "of ALL party members", yeah? So you can use it on yourself or any ONE other party member. Though I'm wondering if that's a typo? The way it says "or self" makes me think it's single target. Though I am curious if the Additional Effect is on the SCH themselves or on the specific party member only, like Convalescence used to work for PLD. I get that there are probably some synergies with other tanks, but considering it's single target instead of AOE will limit some of its utility. 2:20 - So speed and a 10% mitigation/light Sacred Soil but on the players? The 15y radius seems a bit short. I feel like this is something Ultimate and probably some Savage raiders will love, but that most other players won't really see as useful other than the 10% mitigation for the party. Considering non-Savage/Ultimate content will not be designed around having specific compositions, and if no other healer has a similar buff to bring to the table, that encounters will not be built around the move speed buff being needed. So it will mostly be a novelty for very high end players to min-max with, but most of the player base will just use it for the mitigation or to sprint between pulls. Honestly, I see this being most useful - the 20 sec duration is a long time - for SCH's to pop at the start of 4 man dungeon hallway pulls. Letting the Tank more quickly pick up and position enemies while also taking 10% less damage and outrunning the first packs in the chain, thus not taking ANY damage from their hits. Though, of course, you'll have to let the Tank know you're doing it so they don't waste their Sprint since it doesn't stack with Sprint anyway. Sort of like the way Tanks use Sprint+Arms' Length in current dungeon runs. 3:40 - I feel like the shield potency buffs are to bring it in line with Sage and try to actually put the BARRIER back in Barrier Healer. That said, it'll be nice that SCH actually plays as a shielding healer again and that the shields won't feel quite as paper thin, I guess? And more frequent Deployment Tactics will be...nice. ...but that's the thing: These things are "nice", but don't seem to majorly fix SCH's main underlying problems. Pet AI/ghosting still seems to be a thing, SCH still retains the state I've called it all of Shadowbringers - "Powerful, maybe the most powerful of the healers, but CLUNKY, and its kit actively works against itself (e.g. use Dissipation then hit Seraph or Fey Blessing and see what happens, or hit Energy Drain and then Indom/Excog when you only have 1 stack of Aetherflow left)" - it seems to have not really addressed that clunk and counteraction of abilities. Having some Galaxy Brain stuff can be nice, but when your kit works against itself and is just clunky to deal with, it's obnoxious. It's like moving a large but empty box - it's not HEAVY, nor is it weak, it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try to wrap you arms around and maneuver through doorways. That's how SCH feels to me - it's not HARD, it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try to wrap your arms around and maneuver through doorways. :) . Which is sad because I like SCH's class fantasy as the educated healer and battlefield tactician with a healing partner (I hate the skill Dissipation with a passion) that uses shields and mitigation fields to reduce damage and bolster their allies. I also love that SCH/SMN is a (the only...) dual class in the game so I don't have to level a second Job for the other role, something that actually has a LOT of utility to me, personally. Playing since 2.3, at the end of each expansion I had only a few Jobs at max level until ShB; ARR: WHM, SCH/SMN, HW: PLD, WHM, SCH/SMN, SB: PLD, WHM, SCH/SMN, RDM, only in ShB did I expand it a lot to PLD, GNB, MNK, NIN, MCH, WHM, SCH/SMN, AST, BLM, RDM...and most of that was me wanting the Archmage title and just deciding to go the rest of the way with BLM. XD As much as they talk about removing that feature and not wanting to add it to any others (for years, I've dreamed that GEO would be added as the DPS counterpart of the CNJ class...something playing like Enhancement Shaman in WoW where it builds up some stacks with attacks then can instant-cast CNJ's spells like the Stone line would be pretty cool, imo. Melee/caster hybrid reverse of RDM...), but to me, that's a positive feature, not a detrimental one, and I wish more Jobs had classes they shared. But much as I want to love it, SCH is just not as streamlined and FUNCTIONAL as WHM and AST are to me. Both just FEEL better to play most of the time than SCH, and that doesn't look to be changing. SMN looks fun but...I think I'm going to finally have WHM win the fight I've had since ARR: Which healer will I main. These changes just aren't sufficient to bring SCH to where it needs to be. I think it's where it needs to be in POWER, it just needs its mechanics adjusted to not be so "giant empty box" clunky and annoying. ...which means I won't be bothering with SMN, so RDM can be my DPS main (it's not just being easy, I like it's aesthetic, I hate DoTs, and I like that it doesn't eat ALL MY HOTBAR SPACES AND THEN SOME), so then it's just a matter of picking PLD or GNB for Tank and which of MNK/NIN I'll eventually drag to 90 to make sure I do all the role quests (along with MCH, of course)
I think Scholar is... Fine. I've played it since I started in Heavensward, it was the first class I started with in the game and I love the absolute shit out of it. Like it does it's job, and the changes are good and seem like they'll be useful, they might even be very powerful and top tier under the right circumstances. The changes to the cast time of Broil is also pretty major, with SCH's OGCDs it's going to be very busted in a good way since they can weave in a lot of utility very fast with the new cast times. Being more mobile is also good, and less pet jank is good as well, even though I still feel like the fairy has a lot of annoying little problems that need to be ironed out. Scholar is going to be fine, it'll probably still be a very powerful healer. HOWEVER. The class still feels ridiculously disjointed, it feels like they have all these neat ideas but nothing to really like solidify an identity; a fantasy if you will. Look at any other class and you can sort of see what they're going for, Redmage is a fancy show off who wants to show you just how much magic from every type of magic he can do. Warrior is an axe wielding berserker who will wear you down before you wear him down. Ninja is a fleet footed shadow warrior who blasts people with their naruto magic and stabs them with daggers all in the span of a couple of seconds. But Scholar? Like I used to feel like Scholar was the tactician of the group who would come up with plans and strategies to make sure that the team succeeded and performed at their best. The one who not only had information on all the enemies but the other classes as well and knew just what to do to make everyone perform at their best. But as time goes on that just feels like less and less of the case, sure they have skills that sort of emulate that fantasy but the way you play just does not convey that at all where as you can play any other class and sort of feel the fantasy that they're putting out. A lot of the skills you have don't work together and the ones that do usually work together in such stilted ways that you don't really have a good path to utilize them. You constantly are pressing multiple buttons to do what other healers can do with just one or two buttons, and the class just has no flow or style to it. I like comparing most classes to a genre of music, like I see White Mage as Indie Folk playing these sort of comfortable wooden instruments, I sorta see Astrologian as a kind of spacey new wave genre like something Daft Punk might have played, and I used to see SCH as a sort of Jazz, smooth but in your face as they sort of style on you. I still see SCH as a sort of Jazz type class but now the Jazz is Freeform and performed by people who don't really know what Freeform is but sort of heard it a couple of times before and can kind of do it if you listen with only one ear. I dunno, SCH is probably going to be solid, I don't doubt that it will. It has been pretty solid through SHB, it was solid in SB, and HW as well, there's never really been a point that the class has been unplayable, it's just that lately the class has felt clumsy and frustrating to play and these changes haven't really done much to alleviate the feeling that the class has become a sort of clumsier nerdier version of it's former self. It's also very disheartening to see the other healers get all these flashy cool effects and none of our skills seem to ever seem to get a very fun visual look to them, the capstone is an aoe sprint with some damage reduction. Like, if you really think about it does that seem like it should be a capstone ability? Shouldn't the capstone be something that looks awesome and impressive, something that really puts makes the other classes feel a little jealous that they're not playing scholar? Like I'm sure the Sprint will be great, I'm sure that there's gonna be some strats that really utilize it, I'm sure that it'll also save a lot of lives for people that might be out of position when an aoe starts to go off. I don't doubt that it'll see it's use... It just doesn't impress me that much. I feel like that one Scene in the Charlie Brown Halloween Special where all the kids are talking about all those cool candies that they got and the camera pans to us and everyone's like "What did you get SCH?" "I got a sprint."
Exactly my thoughts, the jank in SCH has reached astronomical levels with all of the skills that have been removed, changed or consolidated the class doesn't has an identity anymore, half the skills contradict the other half, some skills disable others, and such and much. The only way to unfuck the class is doing a complete rework, hopefully in 6.3.
Sorry uploaded the wrong render that has a mistake on Protraction! It is a single target cast on one person, not on the party!
Protraction appears to be single target, not for your party.
As a scholar main, I'm still gonna be a scholar main, but it's not really *exciting*
10% bigger shields for deploy :p. also might be needed for tankbusters in EW, since tanks got a lot of mit now, so they might hurt like crazy.
@@TheColdestplay True, but only when you hold the ability for Deploy.
No matter what anyone adds or removes from the game, SCH and MCH will always be unpopular and mocked. Neither class gets any respect because other classes can do what they do better. MCH plays so well tho and SCH I loved because it's so easy to survive playing it. But it should have had a new range AoE a long time ago. Running in for an AoE is dumb for a mage.
@@kokayinewsome9308 WHM does the same thing with Holy, though.
I guess I largely agree. Though I love both MCH and SCH for the class fantasy. Machinists (and the MCH Job quests) are basically the embodiment of the British Bowman and the American Second Amendment/Minutemean/militiamen. This idea of the "common person", employing "baser" tactics and weapons instead of the elegant arts of war in use by the nobility - who are privileged to have years of training time and tutors over their youth to master them - because they want to be able to stand and defend their people anyway.
In the middle ages, the British basically did this with archery, and the US has for over 250 years with gun rights, but the core concept is the same: That the little people have something they can do to be effective in war to protect their people. With a dash of steampunk on the side. :D
The Scholar, on the other hand, is a combination of scholar in the student/seeker of knowledge sense, and a battlefield strategist who became leaders and officers. Individuals known for their combination of mental acuity and magical aptitude, specializing in healing but also masters of asymmetric warfare and outside the box thinking. They are (along with Arcanist) a somewhat literal take on mathmagicians in FFXIV's world, with a touch of military training and rank on the side.
Then you add in that they work synergisticly with their Faerie partner (another reason I hate the Dissipation skill...) and that their magic is even more tuned towards protecting than simply healing people after they've taken harm.
Taken together, these are probably my two favorite classes in the game in terms of lore and class fantasy.
And I honestly like how they both play well enough, I just dislike how SCH's kit often seems at war with itself, meaning it's much more difficult to play than it NEEDS to be, and how MCH is so ping dependent and needs to either do more damage OR offer party buffs like NIN/DNC/BRD do that make up for their lower personal damage. MCH either needs to stand up towards BLM/SAM or it needs to get utility added like DRG/MNK/SMN.
@@SubduedRadical I agree, I love MCH as my 3rd main, part of my holy trinity. NIN, SMN, and MCH. I dont think they should be so hated but people hate them because, from the outside looking in, Square cant seem to figure out what to do with them to make them more unique or cool when compared to SAM, BLM, or WHM.
Personally I would make SCH better by giving it traps and reflect spells to counter dmg and paralyze foes. And I'd give MCH new gadgets that give it lots of unconventional attack AOEs or patterns to show why its unique and more than just the hard hitting shooter class with no utility.
I see two fairies in the Expedience icon. They should have given scholar double fairies. That would have been a nice exciting twist, Eos AND Selene, sorta like Neutral Sect originally. It would've been... something.
Eos and selene... Are the same fairy... Its just aspects
Maybe a capstone skill that allows them to be split temporarily? xD
@@SeralthSparro I just mean the deployment of 2 simultaneous fairies, not that they would be different from each other. Although I would like it if they WERE different from each other again...
There is also a small thing, pet scale for Scholar seems to be increased from 66% to 92%. It means fairy’s skills are buffed despite it looks nerfed on the surface.
Yea so many small things like this that people are freaking out about when they have no idea. We really need to just play it first and see.
Where is that change listed?
@@lightjohn125 it was observed from Larry’s video with calculations. Pet scale is hidden scale, the dev never tells you about the changes. Therefore a lot of people don’t even know it existed.
Larryzaur's video? I watched the scholar video but i didn't notice anything about the scale
@@killerofbutter It was based on the comparison between fairy's number and other skills' potency shown in the video. Larry himself didn't say anything about it.
I am really disappointed with this... they had a chance to do so much with it, like having two fairies at lvl 90 like the Tamer in Rappelz Online, maybe having one that focuses on healing and the other on damage while reworking more skills to be cast from the pets. Instead we still have a useless and clunky pet that's just really cool thematically but has a useless spell that's never good in a pinch; not to mention a buff that should've been given to the BRD.
Maybe the outrage will be so big they'll rework it mid expansion and give it a MNK treatment. I just see Sage as being the better version of Scholar in every aspect.
2:18 😔
was holding out hope that it would be more to it than that....oh well
Dev team rly trying to get ppl to play Sage instead.
I don't understand why they need to make the fairy so slow and unresponsive. Your minions that follow you around react to your movement faster than the stupid fairy. If they can make the minion follow right next to my ass, surely they can figure something out for the fairy. Why does it only start moving when you are 7 yalms away from it? Why does embrace have a cast time? Making embrace instant cast would solve half of the problem that the fairy have, what is the limitation that would prevent them from making such changes? It's an effective class for sure, but it's also one of the most frustrating thing to play when things doesn't go right
Other than Embrace (and I agree with you, btw), I would wager it has something to do with non-combat pets don't function in combat. What I mean by this is, they have no abilities or health (combat pets USED to have this, and so likely still use the same coding) or positions that matter, so they're probably handled client side. Every play with someone else (maybe in the same room or on a stream) and you move and see your non-combat pet move, but on their screen, it lags and is actually in a different position for a few seconds?
That doesn't matter with non-combat pets because their cosmetic. So it following you on the client side while the server takes a few 100s ms to update isn't an issue, since they have no relevance.
Conversely, Lily needs to update her position on the Server side FIRST, then send that visual information to the clients. That way, if you order her to use an ability, the SERVER knows who all to calculate it hitting, which is necessary in combat.
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Short version: Cosmetic things don't matter, so they can be on the client or server side; combat things have to be server side, which means there's going to be a bit of lag before the visual information is sent to the client. This is likely why that lag exists.
@@SubduedRadical I am very well aware that the delay exist because fairy coordinate is handle through server. What I don't understand however, why isn't this a high priority in the list of changes. As you said, AI that are handle locally can react much faster, so they could make the fairy location be local. Truth be told, Sch is the only person that ever pay attention to the fairy, I doubt anybody would ever complain about how "The Sch fairy just spazz out during the mechanic and I didn't know what to do" It will look funny on other people pov, because the fairy and it's skill would be visually desync. But that doesn't matter, as long as the scholar is the one that is aware of the pet, that is the most important part.
Obviously, I make it sound simpler than it actually is. If it was this easy they would have done it long ago. However, they don't ever tell us what is the problem, or why they can't do it. They know that it is a broken AI, that's the reason why SMN pets is just aesthetic now. So now we only have sch who have this unique problem. And sadly, they never invite any Sch main to interview YoshiP for these questions, sometimes it truly feel like they are just avoiding any question regard sch.
@@mackv.4179 Well, I'm saying the reason it HAS to be on the server side is the server has to determine "Is Eos within Embrace/Fey Blessing/etc range of the targets?"
And so that's probably why it works the way it does.
Imo, one fix would be to have Lily move faster and not wait for you to get 7-10y away before she starts moving, and another good idea would be make Embrace instant cast and all her abilities castable while moving (like if you use an Instant on your character while moving). This would mean she'd never be "animation locked" in casting an Embrace when you move, for example.
Because of the way combat works, I THINK her position HAS to be server side because of targeting range calculations. But I do believe that they could do the fixes above and it would make her WAY more responsive.
And yes, I agree this should be a super high priority and I have no idea why it isn't. Maybe they want everyone to play Sage at first, like how they took BRD buffs and gave them all to DNC, only giving some back to BRD after BRDs all started switching mains? It made DNC look super popular, though!
Basically Scholar hasn't really changed much. For people hoping for changes yikes.
I'm definetely going Sage.
imo the broil cast change, could make up for a lot of scholars clunkiness (mainly having to ruin II for ogcds, which is always a feels bad). only the faerie gauge being basically useless now is kind of sad, as well as dissipation and pet AI in general.
@@TheColdestplay They need to SERIOUSLY rethink Dissipation into something else. The fact it locks you out of half your kit makes no sense and no other Job has to deal with that. And SCH has considerable clunk and awkwardness overall.
The complaint about sch has always been about the "feel" of the class. I have no doubt that balance/number wise sch will be good, as it always has been, but it looks like they haven't improved the feel of it.
Feel is subjective
@@k.vn.k Then the increasing number of people dissatisfied with SCH are objective.
I wish you'd brought up that the main issue with SCH isn't that it's "weak" -- it's that as far as I know, there is no other class whose kit is constantly at war with itself. You brought up the faery gauge up briefly, and that's just one example of what's supposed to be a major part of our kit that ends up being contradictive (can't use fairy skills without breaking it, can't use it on Seraph -- and now is even less useful w/o Blessing), among at least 2-3 other major conflicts that make the class feel like you're better off avoiding most of the skills unless you're desperate. And then there's the whole problem(s) with the fairy.
tldr: viability has never been the problem, SCH constantly hobbling itself is.
EXACTLY
Preach it!
"whose kit is constantly at war with itself" - the EXACT words I've used to describe it. Amen!
SCH is possibly the most powerful healer in the game right now. It's just clunky and obnoxious to play.
So the main issues with SCH remain, Aetherpact is the only skill that uses the Fairy Gauge again and the only new skills are Thrill of Battle and Temperance. So nothing really to look forward to for SCH.
It's better that Fairy Gauge is being used for only Fey Union. Fey Blessing was too simple and weak compared to Union. By using Union, you'll make Blessing unusable. If you use Blessing, you've increased the number of charges you need to fully charge Union by 1. It's not like aethercharge. It just stepped over itself too much.
The +10% MAX HP buff is a percentage that will always heal 10% HP AND boost the healing you do them by 10%. Allowing you to creating even bigger barriers to brute force mechanics with.
Temperance reduces damage taken and increases the healing WHM does to you. Expedient is a 20 second sprint and reduces damage taken. Unlike Temperance, Expedient allows you got get to where you need to be faster. The faster you get from point A to B, the faster you get to go back to attacking. The faster you get to where you need to be, THE FASTER YOU WIN.
The Pet AI being mostly the same really kills it for me. Probably gonna move away from SCH just because the Pet AI is still shit.
This is smelling more and more like a mid-expansion rework. Every SCH main and their mother is abandoning ship.
A lot of speculation is that they just ran out of time to do it before launch. It's not surprising considering they had a new healer to build from the ground up and is also a shield healer. It's either coming on its own later on or will be forced by player numbers plummeting.
They did like half of the stuff I wanted fixed, now we just need the other half where they synergize stuff better.
@@frankytanky5076 That and the fact they somewhat reworked AST (again)... I'm hoping it means they'll fix SCH up once they see how all the new healer/healing changes are playing and balancing out. Fingers crossed!
Still effective, still powerful, still going Sage 😅
lmao the damage control is so real
I'm still playing SCH, going to be fun!
Kind of seems like the job is in a placeholder state. Expect some major changes down the road.
agreed
Scholar can be so much more interesting making the faeries actually different Eos can literally be all about healing and shielding while Selene can be all about debuffing and damage increases. They can do so much with it
It used to be EXACTLY like that back in 2.0 and 3.0. They made them the same for 4.0 mainly because people would ONLY use Eos.
@@Kekira That's silly logic. Instead of making Selene more useful, let's take away Selene's uniqueness and turn her into a glamour so everyone has to use Eos.
There are lots of ways they could have made Selene more viable instead of turning her into a glamour.
@@ianheckman6655 its probably because damage usually always wins out. I agree they should be different, but it should be much more minor. One adds a regen, another adds a shield. Something for flavor and let's you switch based on your healing partner. Like ShB Astro-lite.
@@damenlapalm5609 Or just make them summons you want to alternate a la SMN. Eos for healing enhancements cooldown, Selene for DPS enhancements cooldown; but you're still not pigeonholed to pick one permanent fairy.
Many of the jobs design issues remain which is VERY disheartening to see. I really feel like the job is going to end up with a redesign
I REALLY hope a 45s AF change can happen. 😭. Oh boyyyy
Having one gauge spender makes me really sad
Stormblood we had the trait quickened aetherflow that reduced the cd of aetherflow by 5 seconds basically making it 45 secs it was such a good time
@@phoenixgames3351 Actually made gameplay a bit interesting, unlike it just being a flat cooldown by default with no variation. Kinda like how AST damage buffs are just flatly the same percentage every time now, you've got nothing to work towards anymore! It's just given to you automatically
The fairy ghosting attacks and management is really what's pushing me to Sage. I like the concept of Scholar, but I have had sooooo many occasions of a fairy skill disappearing into the unknown.
Honestly, as long as pet ghosting through eos is dead, that's good enough for me. Seraph eating commands because you're trying to cram them into the last 2 seconds sucks, but it's not *that* hard to play around. Eos ghosting rapid fire commands for literally no reason was the bigger issue, that and taking like 3 seconds to actually do the command. Larry's vid showcased pet commands weaved after every broil, and they looked much snappier there at least. Granted there were no embraces to muddy things, but there does seem to be legitimate improvement.
yeah the pets are by far what pushed me away from SMN and what bothers me on SCH. if they remove the fairie or fix pets then most of my problems with the class will be over.
@@melb3mel Yea, just don't push Seraph skills til the end. Generally you summon her when you need some huge healing anyway so I almost always just use the 2 charges right away. Maybe it was really just his connection, but from what I've seen on many of the other videos the fairy skills looked pretty damn instant to me, and there was quite an upgrade from what we got now. Is it absolutely instant? No. But I can settle for at least close to it.
Ghosting is entirely your fault. You stopped the fairy from doing those actions.
Like seriously. You just mashed those fairy skilled and expected it all to come out like a WHM's assize didn't you. You never took the time to look and when you mashed all 4 abilities then mashed Summon Seraph or Dissipation, you go "DURRR WHY FAIRY NO DO MOVE DURRR" like an absolute moron.
YOU DISMISSED THE PET BEFORE SHE DID HER THING! What did you think was going to happen???
What's more concerning is that someone as stupid as you going to play Sage. An infinitely more busy job. In no time you'll be going "DURR I ATTACK WHY YOU ALL DIE DRR" Cause kardia only heals one player genius. LEARN HOW SHIT WORKS! But oh wait, you had all of 9 years to learn SCH and you still don't understand it. Total lost cause.
@@hiddenmaster6062 Interesting approach to a reply. Have only been playing for a few months and still have much to learn for sure, but constructively speaking there are better ways to educate people on their mistakes than this approach. It's entirely possible I'm moving through the fairy skills too quickly, that's a fair thing to point out and now I know to look at it more. Anyway, despite the tact you took here, I do hope you have a good day and I'll consider the feedback you gave.
I am extremely disappointed and my day is ruined. I was hoping for more changes to the fairy gauge, as I honestly never felt like I relied on it at all. Nothing seems to have changed for the class overall. It could be said that they're keeping to the original playstyle which is great but... I think everyone WANTED a change.
If this is enough to ruin your entire day then I fear you may have other issues.
@@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315 Not what he said
If by original playstyle you mean post 5.0 then yeah, it's exactly the same with a couple of potency changes. The class plays exactly the same whether you are level 50 or level 90.
I still miss Heavensward SCH with like 6 DoT to manage and stance dancing, now that was some engaging stuff. That will forever remain as the original playstyle in my mind.
I started playing the came for Scholar's aesthetic and I DO like the new skills. Protraction in particular has my attention. And the 10% AoE mitigation seems more important to me than the speed boost on Expedient.
However, compare to other jobs which got more updates to old abilities, I still feel like the lack of variation in the offensive side of the Scholar. The Sage and Scholar healing kits are so similar that I am very much hoping that they'll push SCH a bit more towards being a buffer/debuffer to mirror AST in the Pure Healer category. Anything to make the OFFENSIVE side of the Scholar more interactive and push it further away from its Barrier Healer counterpart.
Why has no one tried using all the healing buffs on a crit spreadlo yet... seems like with buff the adlo's potency and all the heal buffs now, that crit spreadlo is going to be extremely powerful and no one is talking about it. Makes me wonder if its just me grasping at straws as a sch main lololol
Extremely powerful...but only once every 2 minutes, or less powerful every 90 seconds.
Given the amount of “additions” they got, realistically you could have stopped at “Scholar is a job that appears”.
I can't see SCH not being updated like mid expansion, thinking like MNK. It's not like SCH won't clear content, it's pure effectiveness was never in question. It's that the job didn't mesh with itself and feel good. Useless gauge, lv60+70 abilities go against each other, pet A.I., (personal part) loss of complexity.
It worries me that, if I remember correctly, SE said they saw nothing wrong with SCH and weren't sure what to do to it for EW.
They didn't say they saw nothing wrong with this, just that they couldn't think of what to give SCH this expansion. It does feel like the job will be reworked/changed either mid expansion or when the next one comes out, they don't seem to know where to go with it.
SCH has been gutted to the ground and with Sage out in EW I can't see why anyone would keep playing it. Maybe it's time to make the fairies distinct again, or even give some of old dot stuff back (i.e. flare, 2nd dot, bane).
@@RyugaHidekiOrRyuzaki it will be a stronger raid healer simply because it is a better utility healer. Sage looks more fun on paper, but rdps and utility is the name of the game in end game content.
@@waa3866 you're not wrong, but already mentioned it's viability isn't the issue. Content will be cleared without issue. SE wouldn't want AST all over again. It's how SCH plays and feels as a WHOLE kit is the issue.
Agreed.
SCH's power is not the problem - it's probably the most powerful healer when played well - the problem is it's clunky and many of its abilities actively fight against each other. I likely it to moving a large, empty box through your house. It's not HARD, it's just annoying, bulky, and obnoxious to maneuver through doorways.
That's SCH.
The most exciting thing about SCH in Endwalker is the cast time change to match AST's
SCH has tons of OGCDs so this is quite a big buff it seems.
Still, nothing super flashy, and pet control still seems to be unchanged. Fairy commands need to be instant, no matter what... You press the button, and it does the thing without any kind of delay, or ghosting. THAT's the buff SCH needs.
yeah but it had a weaving button unlike WHM, if you spent an aether on drain that would be a potency gain, there is literally no reason to use ruin now because it will always be a potency loss, you should always be using broil+drain. in comparison WHM is a lot stronger now because it can cast its OGCDs without potency loss. so SCH did get better, but WHM got A LOT stronger because of it.
@@danilooliveira6580 Movement phases are when you use it, and there are tons of those. The ruin II buff is also quite nice.
@@frankytanky5076 I mean... yeah, that is a good point, forgot about that. but its not like you can't move in the broil window, you just need to be a lot smarter with how you move and position to not lose an gcd. what is also another problem WHM had since dia is so weak.
@@danilooliveira6580 Well that helps both though. WHM and SCH are not in conflict of each other. Both are great to bring into a party. It's amazing now that Broil can be used with weaving, and I assume Ruin 2 is there if you ever need to move a lot or have to double weave instead.
@@theexiledones1 but it helps WHM a lot more. that is actually a change WHM really needed, because most of thr WHM heals were very low priority because of the huge potency loss when used out of one of the natural healing windows. what made WHM really boring in hard content, and a pain in the ass to play with WHM as a co-healer.
while for the SCH spending a aether to create a weaving window with ruin+drain was actually a very small potency gain. the balancing being that drain is an ogcd, so whenever you had a window to use it, aetherflow would be off cd, meaning you could use your aether to heal without losing much. but now that you can weave it betweens broils every ogcd heal that uses aether will be an 100 potency loss.
but the WHM ? most of its heals were low priority because of the lack of weaving windows, but now that it can weave any time without losing potency and it gained a very strong ogcd that heals in AOE, all of its heals will be very high priority
all that to say that yes, it made the SCH stronger, but it also made most of the problems with the class more apparent and indirectly nerfed it by buffing WHM a lot more.
Already deleted my SCH macro, guess I don't need to worry about putting it back.
So just as powerful as ever , but still clunky and uninspired gotcha.
I think SCH needs to expand more on this "max HP up" kinda stuff
Thinking about it:
This didn't fix SCH's major issues - any of them. AI, ghosting, a kit that often is at war with itself; these things all remain.
SCH will continue to be useful for organized Savage and definitely for Ultimate raiders, but to the rest of the player base/community, it's probably going to become the least played healer. It may not appear as such on charts, but that will be because of SMN's getting it as a "free" 90 that they never touch.
Still powerful - still clunky. Like moving a large, empty box through your house, it's not that the box is broken or weak or heavy, it's just awkward, clunky, and obnoxious to maneuver through doorways. That's SCH.
What a huge disappointment
thank you for testing the "ghosting" thing, that was a big concern for me. Great vid happy.
I played SCH for months this year and I was okay in dungeons. But I didnt like how hard it is to do AOE damage with itm why make a mage run in to do AoE damage
Still a Broil mage..
Thanks for making this video. And I think your right scholar has a lot of
Impactful stuff, but none of its flashy and non of it feels impactful for you as the player. Fey union , chain strat , and now the movement speed, I feel like are just use and forget kinda skills. Nothing that’s actively flashy or cool while the buff is on .
A lot of the abilities/spells/skills are just, like, a rush of wind. The only one that's flashy is Deployment Tactics?
If they just reduce the expedient cooldown it would be such a great abbility. Everyone else got damage, give me high mobility and utility and i will call it even, sometimes even a win.
Happy Embargo lift day y'all!!
I truly appreciate that you used a Digimon reference
Nightmare. Ri.p
Sacred Soil is still it's best move.
Scholar dps is soooo boring >.< Can't we have cool flashy dps like the other healers?
The rotation is boring af. It didn't use to be.
people are sleeping on that speed buff.
Lets hope future forced marches cancel any move speed buffs
Thank you for the comment about aesthetic! It seems so stupid a thing to be hung up on, but in the face of the other three healers having such a strong identity, the techno/fairy/eh mishmash really stands out in all the wrong ways.
Not as exciting as Sage, but they will prob be really as they was in Shadowbringers.
Ok crossing my fingers before watching the vid hope it's good XI
Edit after watching, yeah nothing exciting sadly
Want to add a major correction here. At 4:00 you state that Sage is using an extra second to boost its base spells - I assume this to be a reference to Eukrasia. Eukrasia itself is a 1 second GCD, yes, but all the Eukrasia-boosted spells have a 1.5s recast, so you don't actually use up extra time with it overall, it's just an extra button press.
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All I want is a separate gauge for my heal spells and damage spells. That's all I want. Or delete aetherflow and just make the cd's longer. I can't be the only one that feels this way.
I like Aetherflow, I just wish there were more stacks of it cuz they go quickly, especially now that you'll be able to weave Aetherflow OGCDs between casts at no dps loss. 4 is a good number, but 5 would be awesome, that way you can more freely spend it on Lustrate/Energy Drain when all other Aether spells are on cooldown.
Excog is the one ability that I think should have it's Aetherflow cost removed, and just be a regular 60sec cd.
I would love to see a trait that makes it so you have a % chance of getting Aetherflow through DPS, even if it's just %5 per charge on each Broil cast.
I wish they would have given SCH's a shield AF spender. For the "barrier/shield" healer in the game, it's bizarre their main mechanic (Aetherflow) has no synergy with shields. Think about it. Imagine if SCH had something like WHM's Divine Benison on a 30 sec CD that used an Aetherflow. You could use that if AF is coming off CD and you still have a stack to spend.
Instead they just gave ED back and...bleh.
@@SubduedRadical a ogcd shield on aetherflow is all i want LMAO. Its harder to shield a tankbuster on the fly with scholar -a "shield" healer- than whitemage, which will have 2 charges of benison. Granted exgotation is a very strong "shield", but yeah i just don't understant how the shield healer SCH doesn't get an ogcd shield 🙄 aside from seraph which is a 2 min cooldown and again pet jankyness.
Sch needs if not a rework, just probably a cleanup
@@petrus9067 Agreed.
Pet AI/ghosting issues aside, there are other simple things they could do that would vastly improve the flow and function of the Job, I just don't know why they won't do them. An AF spender Divine Benison would be a super easy thing to do, for example. If they're worried about shield stacking, just make it a Galvanize effect and make it equal to Adlo in potency or something so it'd just be like Swiftcasting an Adlo without the heal at the cost of an AF. That seems entirely sensible.
Not much change, but im happy with the small tweaks, Scholar forever! And we got sumonner for free 😂
I was really worried about Scholars future because it didn't get any substantial changes that would make it stand out from Sage who definitely stole it's thunder.
You still get it for free if you like smn, so it's still gonna be popular since new smn looks amazing.
The healing beam doesn't use fairy gauge anymore? That's both amazing and weird.
Me as a SCH in EW : * pressing Expedient* “You all better run for your lives!”
Protraction being an AoE would've actually been pretty hype; but alas, its single target. Still pretty good though; I imagine this will help SCH with those situations other healers could just throw 1 button heals onto. Speed Boost is going to get so many parties killed; and I await the vids of people wiping their groups by accident (on purpose).
That being said; the rest is pretty dire. More Broil-ing, Art of Slap the Floor 2.0, and the Fairy Gauge still feels like an unfinished mechanic. Sad to also hear the initial positive news on the Fairy AI may have also been a placebo. Hopefully its something that they can work on; but its been a problem since SCH's inception, so we'll see.
What exactly do you want Fairy Gauge to do that Fey Union doesn't already do? Keep in mind you gotta use 10 charges to charge up a powerful automatic heal that does healing you don't need to do because it is automatic healing, which is healing you don't have to do yourself.
Blessing stepped on itself too much to keep its gauge cost. It was just a simple and weak AoE heal.
And Speed boost isn't going to get parties killed. Most players don't run on a timer like they're too mentally challenged to LOOK WHERE THEY'RE GOING. Have you even used Lost Impetus before?
@@hiddenmaster6062 Fey Union is still pretty wonky; what with its tiny tether, and if its going to be the one and only use for the gauge, it might as well be charge or timer.
I'm assuming your talking about the Fairy eating actions? I mean, that sucks more with a gauge cost; but its still a problem. At least having a cost to it was a kind-of-sort-of reason for the Gauge to exist?
Experienced parties are going to love the movement speed buff, and will use it to their advantage. Even without thinking the devs will be designing content around the party having access to it. Randoms are going to forget they are in full run speed when they have animations off, or when the cheeky SCH feels like just making people move very fast in forced marches. So yeah; I think it'll still be funny.
@@pockystyx4087 The tether is 15 yalms long. The fairy doesn't move while using it. If your tether is broken that means the target is out of range. You do NOT use it on players who are actively move AWAY. It's that simple. And if you see that the target is out of range, disengage the union. You're a healer, you can easily see what's happening.
Fey Union is the only HoT in the game that can extended while it's active. At full power it will last 30 seconds and up to 48 if you've used aethercharges during its use. Additionally you can turn it on at any time. You seriously want to fuck yourself because managing one of the best HoTs in the game is too much for you!? It can also be charged one minute sooner by using dissipation.... And you want THAT changed to something WHM has, right? :|
Nobody said anything about ghosting. If you use Blessing, you've weakened Union. If you use Union, you've made Blessing unavailable. The cost of Blessing is added nothing to the gauge. It just took away from it like Upheaval and Onslaught did to WAR because the resource gain was unchanged. It was a simple AoE heal and a weak one at that.
Ghosting is the result of the player having done something to prevent the pet from doing its actions. Such as mashing dissipation before Eos uses whispering dawn after you pushed that button. Stupid idiots just go "DURRR I NO KNOW WHAT HAPPUN DURR". They're mashing buttons and dismissing pets too fast is what happened. What did they think was going to happen?
They're not making content specifically for it just like they never did for Rescue. Have you missed out on Shadowbringers?
@@hiddenmaster6062 I've played since HW, so yeah; I know the many, many issues SCH has had over the years.
But; are you ok? You seem a little to worked up about this. Its a little hard to follow what exactly you're trying to talk about here.
@@pockystyx4087 Yeah. I'm just sick of SCHs circle jerking the same brain dead garbage and pretending they even want the job to be its own thing. They hate change and they always want it to be just like WHM.
Props for the digivolve joke and I also wish for more fairy gauge interaction.
The movement speed is gonna save so many people... specially those a bit far from the data center that tend to have a quarter of second delay
These deve have no idea how to make this job fun again after they ruined it in shb
Square Enix continues their character assassination of my favorite class. How we have fallen, from arguable the most popular healer in Stormblood to easily the least.
All you have to do is give us Stormblood Scholar bad, SE
The sad thing is, SCH is probably the most powerful healer right now. It's just CLUNKY. It has abilities that fight against each other like Dissipation and ANY Faerie Ability or Energy Drain and ANY Aetherflow healing (instead of giving ED back, they should have given SCH something like WHM's Divine Benison so they could burn extra stacks on shielding instead of "over heal or sit on your thumbs")
SB SCH isn't coming back - they don't want DPS focused healers.
...other than Sage. Because why not give the new guy all the cool toys? XD They did the same thing with DNC in ShB; took BRD's buffs away saying they didn't want a buffing Job/role, then gave them all to DNC, then reluctantly gave some back to BRD when people started quitting BRD.
SCH is a serviceable healer, but I've come to see it like trying to move a large empty box: It's not HEAVY/HARD...it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try moving through doorways.
I'm really not sure whats intended to happen when you cast a command while the faerie is moving. like on the one hand I could kind of see how delaying it until it gets to you makes sense so the aoe happens in a more controlled area, but then they should have made the a.i. follow you more aggressively and closely. I've seen people say to just make the faerie aesthetic and not actually be a pet, but I still like the ability to place my faerie as a turret.
Easy fix: Make Dissipation a toggle and rename it "Shoulder Lily". The effect is the Faerie will sit on your shoulder (like it does at the end of the LB3 animation) and whenever you order it to use abilities, they will be instant, no movement, and centered on you. So Lily will just be cosmetic at that point. When you toggle it off, it returns to the normal state so she can be used as a turret or otherwise as she's currently used.
I hate Dissipation now, so this would be a better use for the hotbar slot, imo.
Definitely throwing my tome in the trash now and picking up SGE. I was waiting for this video to make it actually official.
I'm going to need to learn scholar fast to power lvl my smn
Aetherflow restoring 20% of max MP and Energy Drain no longer restoring MP is a significant change that I feel a lot of people aren’t mentioning.
ED no longer returns mana? Oh boy. Not looking forward to the mana struggles from that. :/
@@kyttynkross1121 On average, how many Energy Drains has a Scholar been doing per Aetherflow?
@@christopherclayton5500 I've never fucking used it XD. It already was such a useless skill. All it really does is allow for a slight dps gain. But for the cost of aetherstacks.. no thanks.
So Energy Drain is even more of a symbolic empty gesture to lazily spice up boring DPS
@@cosmosofinfinity Exactly. It's insulting because it actually COSTS aetherflow for like.. a 20% dps gain for that rotation. How revolutionary...
It'd be useful if it actually gave you one aetherflow on use and had a cool down. You know.. since it's called Energy DRAIN.
The removal of the mana from it doesn't bother me anyways. I am already good enough at managing my resources that I can keep my team topped off, dps, and never once even worry about mana unless my team is dying repeatedly from stupid shit. But us scholar mains subjected ourselves to it's useless presence, probably forever, because when they tried to remove it from us an expansion or two ago, everybody bitched about it so they gave it back -_-
More broil... Guess I'm done with sch
does the expedience stack with sprint?
It does not. They said this during the Live Letter
If only...
Sprint over supersedes all other speed boosts. Which is why it always sucks when a ranged pops Peloton a few seconds too late in an Alliance raid.
People are sleeping on some of these new tools. Remember that the shield potencies are now 180%, which is pretty nutty. Use adlo on the tank with protraction up and spread it with the now super short deployment cooldown, and you're going to have some nutty mitigation that's up pretty frequently. The only real issue I've had with clipping the fairy is if you try to spam all of it's cooldowns at once, but it feels responsive enough. Only issue I still have with it is that it needs to be triggered to stop moving to cast as I press the button if I'm moving for a mechanic. Expedient is a fucking fantastic cooldown.
Other than the pet movement issue, Sch is likely to be meta defining for the 5th expansion in a row provided Sage's potencies aren't ridiculous enough to beat out Sch's utility and flexibility.
IMO, Misshapen Chair's video about scholar about a week ago provides one of the most succinct summaries of what some wish they would "fix" about scholar.
New broil looks exact the same as broil 3:(
Will scholar be as overly exciting and flashy as Sage? no. Will it be still strong where it matters? Absolutely. it's just more of what made scholar strong.
So, 20 seconds of sprint and 10% damage reduction.....useful.
They should buff scholar healing by adding more shields and regens. WHM has massive grp regen, ogcd heals, gcd aoe Holy spam with cherry on top 6 second stuns, 30 sec spammable huge potency regen, grp wide regen, full heal ogcd, cure 3, etc. AST is second strongest healer with aspects to balance between shielding like SCH but even better or healing like WHM. Scholar gets a pet with one-third potency of Physicks...LOL. Thats a regen from WHM who gets it as group wide and in more than two forms and a single target spammable regen with far greater regen potency.
Your description of Protraction didn't match the tooltip.
That aside, SCH looks totally fine.
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So Scholars already have sacred soil and are getting a group wide sprint ability and a health top up ability? I know they have issues but doesn't that mean they have some really tasty utility? If the devs give them some love to polish them up, they've some good raw material to end up being really nice in my opinion.
I agree I wanted more fey spells or abilities at least 1....and also I know we can use stay and all ... but I never signed up for a turret like let's be real what happened to the turret MCH got? Now it's a Kween... owell
I’m just coming back to the game and haven’t played since stormblood, so I’m catching up on my main class and finding out what changed/is changing
Imagine crit adlos now with 180% shield from galvanize itself plus the catalyze shield. Not sure if it will be 180% too but its going to be a hella big single target shield for sure
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Hell yea finally its embargo lift day!!
The fairy's embrace is actually less potency than cardia because pets do 20% less potency, also embrace is cast every 3 seconds as opposed to cardia proccing every gcd, so at least every 2.5s
i wouldn't be surprised if the speed boost automatically turned off for forced movement stuff, at least that's my hope for my sanity's sake
There needs to be an update to AF. I've actually tried re leveling Sch recently on an Alt to see if I missed anything first time round and my verdict is, I didn't. It's just clunky and feels very old fashioned to use. Sticking with Astro all the way to the end(walker).
So, maybe I'm wrong, but surely the change in shield size is massive for SCH healers output. Like, emergency tactics succor/adlo is now a massive heal. If we consider WHM plenary adds 200 potency to an AOE gcd heal every 60sec, ET now adds 240 potency to an AOE gcd heal every 15 sec. I know potency isn't yet confirmed but this seems a massive buff to their ability to output massive heals. On adlo, its 840 potency every 15 sec.
4:05 iirc Eukrasian Dosis and any other boosted abilities go down to a 1.5 second recast timer
That “digi-volve” caught me off guard. I actually choked.
STRIDER'S BOOTS AND EXPEDIENCE GIVE 75% SPRINT UPTIME IN CITIES.
I agree on the fairy gauge. I thought it would be neat if they gave us Selene's abilities back as gauge spenders.
Oh I actually like it. These changes are very good in certain scenarios as a huge fan of scholar I'm definitely looking forward to seeing with some great scholar players can do
You're a gem.
Rework when?
I feel like the Fairy should have done a kamehameha
"Digivolve" :)
Best Trait - Healer queue to level Summoner
I've played enough WoW to see AOE Sprint and actually be excited. People in 14 are really not appreciating how nice that is in an organized raid setting when people need to move/adjust quickly for a mechanic, and with 14's "scripted dance" nature, I'd expect it to be good here.
It's pretty sad how many people are on the "Sage is new so Scholar is dead" bandwagon.
I think it can be useful in certain situations, yeah. In a well practiced group, absolutely. But for those of us who mostly play roulettes with randos, it is disappointing to see that it is our level cap skill. Everyone else got lazers and bigbooms, and we got second sprint.
FF14 raid design is too homogenized for AOE sprint to be as good as it is in WOW. In WOW basically every raid has at least one fight where you need to book it across a giant room or else you wipe, FF14's small circles aren't comparable. Blizzard is also much more willing to make mythic content unclearable without specific classes than SE is with Savage lol.
1:33 ( aoe on party ) xwx it is not it is single target only
Everyone memeing on expediant doesnt realize how strong party sprint is in high end content.
All my wow refugee bros know all about druids party movespeed buff and how insane it is.
Only thing holding scholar back is how its trying to be 3 seperate themes at once and not really unified in scope
Scholar will still be a very strong disjointed mess.
It may not be the flashiest job in the game, hell, it's probably the least flashiest job in the game. But it's always very strong.
Being a strong class is good especially to fit in the meta but most people would rather look flashy and cool and do a little bit worse and I think that's going to be a breaking point for a lot of people that aren't fully decided on if they want to play sch or sage.
Not to mention that most loud SCH are to fucking stupid to understand how they're job even works. They just want it to be WHM (stupidly simple) or BRD (DoTs).
Meanwhile Sage will be dropped because it'll be too busy. They'll find that it has been rigged in such a way that using healing spell is inevitable, more so than it is with the Scholar.
Run ! Everyone ! Run !
Thanks for the hard work!
1:00 - Sucks they didn't do anything else with gauge, but I am glad they removed Fey Blessing from needing it. It was stupid to have an ability that uses 3 Aetherflow's worth of gauge but ALSO shares a CD with Aetherflow anyway, and is nominally weaker than every other AOE heal you have despite having arguably the longest cooldown and resource cost, collectively.
1:40 - Not to bust your balls on this one, Haps, but the tooltip says "of A party member" not "of ALL party members", yeah? So you can use it on yourself or any ONE other party member. Though I'm wondering if that's a typo? The way it says "or self" makes me think it's single target. Though I am curious if the Additional Effect is on the SCH themselves or on the specific party member only, like Convalescence used to work for PLD. I get that there are probably some synergies with other tanks, but considering it's single target instead of AOE will limit some of its utility.
2:20 - So speed and a 10% mitigation/light Sacred Soil but on the players? The 15y radius seems a bit short. I feel like this is something Ultimate and probably some Savage raiders will love, but that most other players won't really see as useful other than the 10% mitigation for the party. Considering non-Savage/Ultimate content will not be designed around having specific compositions, and if no other healer has a similar buff to bring to the table, that encounters will not be built around the move speed buff being needed. So it will mostly be a novelty for very high end players to min-max with, but most of the player base will just use it for the mitigation or to sprint between pulls. Honestly, I see this being most useful - the 20 sec duration is a long time - for SCH's to pop at the start of 4 man dungeon hallway pulls. Letting the Tank more quickly pick up and position enemies while also taking 10% less damage and outrunning the first packs in the chain, thus not taking ANY damage from their hits. Though, of course, you'll have to let the Tank know you're doing it so they don't waste their Sprint since it doesn't stack with Sprint anyway. Sort of like the way Tanks use Sprint+Arms' Length in current dungeon runs.
3:40 - I feel like the shield potency buffs are to bring it in line with Sage and try to actually put the BARRIER back in Barrier Healer. That said, it'll be nice that SCH actually plays as a shielding healer again and that the shields won't feel quite as paper thin, I guess? And more frequent Deployment Tactics will be...nice.
...but that's the thing:
These things are "nice", but don't seem to majorly fix SCH's main underlying problems. Pet AI/ghosting still seems to be a thing, SCH still retains the state I've called it all of Shadowbringers - "Powerful, maybe the most powerful of the healers, but CLUNKY, and its kit actively works against itself (e.g. use Dissipation then hit Seraph or Fey Blessing and see what happens, or hit Energy Drain and then Indom/Excog when you only have 1 stack of Aetherflow left)" - it seems to have not really addressed that clunk and counteraction of abilities. Having some Galaxy Brain stuff can be nice, but when your kit works against itself and is just clunky to deal with, it's obnoxious. It's like moving a large but empty box - it's not HEAVY, nor is it weak, it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try to wrap you arms around and maneuver through doorways.
That's how SCH feels to me - it's not HARD, it's just BULKY and obnoxious to try to wrap your arms around and maneuver through doorways. :)
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Which is sad because I like SCH's class fantasy as the educated healer and battlefield tactician with a healing partner (I hate the skill Dissipation with a passion) that uses shields and mitigation fields to reduce damage and bolster their allies.
I also love that SCH/SMN is a (the only...) dual class in the game so I don't have to level a second Job for the other role, something that actually has a LOT of utility to me, personally. Playing since 2.3, at the end of each expansion I had only a few Jobs at max level until ShB; ARR: WHM, SCH/SMN, HW: PLD, WHM, SCH/SMN, SB: PLD, WHM, SCH/SMN, RDM, only in ShB did I expand it a lot to PLD, GNB, MNK, NIN, MCH, WHM, SCH/SMN, AST, BLM, RDM...and most of that was me wanting the Archmage title and just deciding to go the rest of the way with BLM. XD As much as they talk about removing that feature and not wanting to add it to any others (for years, I've dreamed that GEO would be added as the DPS counterpart of the CNJ class...something playing like Enhancement Shaman in WoW where it builds up some stacks with attacks then can instant-cast CNJ's spells like the Stone line would be pretty cool, imo. Melee/caster hybrid reverse of RDM...), but to me, that's a positive feature, not a detrimental one, and I wish more Jobs had classes they shared.
But much as I want to love it, SCH is just not as streamlined and FUNCTIONAL as WHM and AST are to me. Both just FEEL better to play most of the time than SCH, and that doesn't look to be changing. SMN looks fun but...I think I'm going to finally have WHM win the fight I've had since ARR: Which healer will I main. These changes just aren't sufficient to bring SCH to where it needs to be. I think it's where it needs to be in POWER, it just needs its mechanics adjusted to not be so "giant empty box" clunky and annoying.
...which means I won't be bothering with SMN, so RDM can be my DPS main (it's not just being easy, I like it's aesthetic, I hate DoTs, and I like that it doesn't eat ALL MY HOTBAR SPACES AND THEN SOME), so then it's just a matter of picking PLD or GNB for Tank and which of MNK/NIN I'll eventually drag to 90 to make sure I do all the role quests (along with MCH, of course)
That aetheryte tho
I think Scholar is... Fine. I've played it since I started in Heavensward, it was the first class I started with in the game and I love the absolute shit out of it.
Like it does it's job, and the changes are good and seem like they'll be useful, they might even be very powerful and top tier under the right circumstances. The changes to the cast time of Broil is also pretty major, with SCH's OGCDs it's going to be very busted in a good way since they can weave in a lot of utility very fast with the new cast times. Being more mobile is also good, and less pet jank is good as well, even though I still feel like the fairy has a lot of annoying little problems that need to be ironed out.
Scholar is going to be fine, it'll probably still be a very powerful healer.
HOWEVER.
The class still feels ridiculously disjointed, it feels like they have all these neat ideas but nothing to really like solidify an identity; a fantasy if you will. Look at any other class and you can sort of see what they're going for, Redmage is a fancy show off who wants to show you just how much magic from every type of magic he can do. Warrior is an axe wielding berserker who will wear you down before you wear him down. Ninja is a fleet footed shadow warrior who blasts people with their naruto magic and stabs them with daggers all in the span of a couple of seconds.
But Scholar? Like I used to feel like Scholar was the tactician of the group who would come up with plans and strategies to make sure that the team succeeded and performed at their best. The one who not only had information on all the enemies but the other classes as well and knew just what to do to make everyone perform at their best. But as time goes on that just feels like less and less of the case, sure they have skills that sort of emulate that fantasy but the way you play just does not convey that at all where as you can play any other class and sort of feel the fantasy that they're putting out. A lot of the skills you have don't work together and the ones that do usually work together in such stilted ways that you don't really have a good path to utilize them. You constantly are pressing multiple buttons to do what other healers can do with just one or two buttons, and the class just has no flow or style to it.
I like comparing most classes to a genre of music, like I see White Mage as Indie Folk playing these sort of comfortable wooden instruments, I sorta see Astrologian as a kind of spacey new wave genre like something Daft Punk might have played, and I used to see SCH as a sort of Jazz, smooth but in your face as they sort of style on you. I still see SCH as a sort of Jazz type class but now the Jazz is Freeform and performed by people who don't really know what Freeform is but sort of heard it a couple of times before and can kind of do it if you listen with only one ear.
I dunno, SCH is probably going to be solid, I don't doubt that it will. It has been pretty solid through SHB, it was solid in SB, and HW as well, there's never really been a point that the class has been unplayable, it's just that lately the class has felt clumsy and frustrating to play and these changes haven't really done much to alleviate the feeling that the class has become a sort of clumsier nerdier version of it's former self.
It's also very disheartening to see the other healers get all these flashy cool effects and none of our skills seem to ever seem to get a very fun visual look to them, the capstone is an aoe sprint with some damage reduction. Like, if you really think about it does that seem like it should be a capstone ability? Shouldn't the capstone be something that looks awesome and impressive, something that really puts makes the other classes feel a little jealous that they're not playing scholar? Like I'm sure the Sprint will be great, I'm sure that there's gonna be some strats that really utilize it, I'm sure that it'll also save a lot of lives for people that might be out of position when an aoe starts to go off. I don't doubt that it'll see it's use... It just doesn't impress me that much.
I feel like that one Scene in the Charlie Brown Halloween Special where all the kids are talking about all those cool candies that they got and the camera pans to us and everyone's like "What did you get SCH?"
"I got a sprint."
This might mean we're up for an amazing update similar to our archanist summoner brothers and sisters
Exactly my thoughts, the jank in SCH has reached astronomical levels with all of the skills that have been removed, changed or consolidated the class doesn't has an identity anymore, half the skills contradict the other half, some skills disable others, and such and much.
The only way to unfuck the class is doing a complete rework, hopefully in 6.3.
Good vid!