For those in the comments talking about my CSM campaign where I advocated for the opening of the gates, you've intentionally left half of the request out. I wanted the gates open to allow counter-play AND the Triglavian gate guards fixed to be like their Highsec counterparts to compensate. This would allow players through but put them at a major disadvantage if they were not Triglavian aligned. This is the same gameplay for any other region of space if you are an outlaw or negative with that local faction so it's not new tech. CCP, in classic fashion, opened the gates but did not fix the gate guards. The Pochven Triglavian gate guards routinely attacked Triglavian aligned players and were never fixed. This prevented us from patrolling and guarding our own space as our NPC guards would attack and kill us at random. We couldn't fight back as that would lower our standing with the Triglavian faction. This was a confirmed bug and CCP had to refund nearly a hundred ships to our players as a result. Sometimes it took over a month to get them back on our side but external groups would get their ships back in hours to days. CCP stated they would spend the quarter on Pochven. All they did was open the gates and perform no other improvements. To put this into context for non-eve players, imagine if you were playing a game like FFXIV or WoW and your city guards randomly attacked and killed you and when you died you dropped half your gear and the other half was destroyed. Putting in a support ticket could take up to a month to get your gear back and until then you got nothing. Fun experience, right? You can read the original and entire request here: forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-maldavius-csm-16/305730
Haha! Set'em straight, brother. Loved to hear the story of your journey in Eve. Can relate to it, though from another angle. I played for 9 glorious years, always part of one small corp or alliance, trying to stand up to the big boys. At some point the devs issued their plans about making the game more accessible for 'the small guy', and then rolled nothing but changes that helped the large empires maintain their already existing territories -- further gutting the chances of small alliances getting a piece of them. All this while churning statement after statement that it wasn't the case, despite small alliance players calling them out on it. In the end, it was the two-faced nature of the devs that got me off of it too. Turns out the large empires hold the devs hostage with threats that they'll have their players leave the game if they dont make changes that benefit them. Damn shame to see this, because no other game offers what EvE does.
Shit you're Maldvius? I've heard of you in-game. Damn, it's a been a while since I played Eve. Used to run raids with UA but this game can literally be like a full-time job. Could be great fun if that's what your into (and I was when I was single) but it's not something I can commit to as I get older. Especially for middle of the night ops to defend your space. You get amped for your first massive Ti-Di fight and then you realize your 10 hours in and you have work in the morning but your logistics and you're needed to keep reps up.......
Every EVE online post I've seen in my entire life is either - money war between two rich dudes, - people leaving the game in droves, or - devs spitting on their playerbase Sounds like an awful game
@@Seneca-o2x I mean you are though. You took someone's comment which was very clear, not claiming they play the game or anything, just relaying what they've seen over however many years. Your response is to call them a liar and a bandwagon hopper with no basis other than your own frustration. Starting a discussion out of frustration and making baseless claims on top of that is the definition of being mad "angry, resentful" you're angry and resentful of those who have a differing opinion / experiences with something that you appear to enjoy. Nothing wrong with defending what you like but rather than being a tool, add to the discussion because maybe you find a middle ground understanding with someone. No on will give you the time of day if you start every conversation angry and ready to shit on the other person for no reason.
Fact of the matter is, over thousands of hours in Eve, I've never had these issues, and I've only met one dude out of hundreds thats had AN issue. The devs are greedy, they are biased, and they play their own game, but unless there are issues that more than one unaffiliated faction experiences, it's not getting fixed nor is the player getting helped. I know it sounds like shit, but keep in mind, players in Eve are all unhinged. If one dude from faction A says he has an issue, it's not getting followed up on. If another dude from faction B says he has the same issue, except faction A and B are on good terms or are allied, issue gets ignored, becuase they might be just fucking with the devs, or trying to waste time, or exploit something, or get an advantage. Now if two dudes have the same issues from 'opposing' factions? That's real shit.
@@Seneca-o2x so you wrote a sarcastic comment to add nothing to the conversation other than be abrasive. Have some self awareness about how you communicate, that was the whole point of my comment
"We're not helping because it's you, but the second anyone else has that problem, we'll fix it" is unbelievable. That's proof positive that the devs were not on the side of the playerbase, they were specifically sided AGAINST some players.
From what i'm hearing if you're not a whale in that game and you do something they don't like you're in trouble. Whales have been known to make them reconsider their actions.
Sadly, the devs of EVE play their own game and it's been documented many times that they've done things that give them and people they like advantages over other players.
Oh they are super biased, if it doesn't help goonswarm they legitimately don't care, it's awful, I played the game for 15 years and also quit around the same time as Thor because the devs have broken every promise they made about monetization and continue to make the game unplayable for small blocks
Every time I hear a story about EVE, it starts off sounding like the coolest thing ever... And then it gets worse and worse progressively... And then it ends with "And I quit because the Devs did some corrupt shit."
@@CaptExpendable I can. MMO players are another Breed, and it takes hell AND High water to shake them from their MMO of choice, even if it makes as many missteps as EVE and CCP do. I should know, I used to play Toontown, and still dip back in occasionally via Rewritten.
@@Gh0stWh33l As an ex-toontown player, Man are you right. Very little content in the game, the progression is designed to stop you from progressing in order to pay for another month of subscription and I still kept playing that game forever.
@@CaptExpendable When it was good, it was so damn good. And then it was not. Played daily from 2006 to 2010. I pop in every other year or so to see what's changed and it is always the same. Some new stuff with lots of potential... but it's broken, unbalanced, abused to shit or already dead.
I never heard any of the massive corrupt dev stories til now, and when I was playing the game there was all this hype around the CSM (council of stellar management) which was like a player-run feedback system. But of course that's likely corrupted too. Good thing I never joined a corporation big enough or rose to a high enough rank for it to ever affect me. Because god damn, everything in Eve takes several hours to do and the only way to make it not take several hours is if you turn it into an actual job.
Every third sentence I hear about EVE is the coolest thing my scifi nerd brain has ever heard, but the first and second things always sound like Satan himself said them.
Don't fall for it. EVE is literally a spreadsheet simulator. You can have as much fun in Microsoft Excel while looking at screenshots of Elite Dangerous.
I played EVE during the pandemic as a hi-sec miner. It was chill until it wasn’t, which was usually due to AI in system security being absolutely shit at their jobs. Eventually, I lost my most expensive ship to an exploit and gave up on the game.
@@ElectusAnimus in system security (CONCORD) isnt there to save you. They are there to punish those who transgress the laws. Their response time is precise, findable on the wiki and tied to the sec status of your system. It pays to have that number in your head whenever out and about… if you can survive X seconds then CONCORD could save you…
I stopped playing Eve when my account got hacked and so logically, I reported it, but all they did was ban me for "account sharing". This was many years ago.
That makes me want to develop a game, turn it into the most popular and fun game on the planet and get everyone to play, then I go on and specially ban those devs for being unfair to you in the past 😂
Goonswarm rep here. 99% of the time when we stole your account, since we stole a lot of accounts. We'd do something really dumb. Like back before 2FA took off we might offer people free services and link them to a web form asking them to create an account. People would input the same email and password as their main. Scamming people and stealing accounts can literally be THAT easy.
"That is just one guild crying, it's really not broken". Taking that stance, with 0 investigation, in a game like EVE, is a recipe for disaster, and a good warning to any potential new players. It probably won't fail as a game but it deserves to.
@@1973Washu yeah, like that time they waited over a year to make it illegal to use online gambling as a way to fund a war, eh? oh wait, goons were on the receiving end of that war
That is the crux of the issue. You only got one group crying A LOT. Now try to figure out whether there is an actual problem or they are merely trying to make you give them stuff.
And corruption from the devs happened time and time again. From the T2 blueprint lottery, that had half the blueprints removed and given manually to one alliance (giving them a literal monopoly on certain essential equipment and ammunition) to assigning beefier hardware to their systems (so their defensive actions had less "time dilation" requiring hours of staring at a game running at 10% realtime), to literal insider information. I stopped playing over a decade ago - the grind to compete against the devs was just impossible.
@@HaralHeisto for context this happened shortly after launch and the dev was immediately fired with the changes reversed, devs are not allowed to play the game with big groups anymore or to their close allies and have all of their accounts monitored
Same. I had heard about it day 1, I was big into MMO communities and a lot of my friends left to play it. I'm a big sci-fi nerd, and It had always sparked curiosity in me to try it out. But the things I heard, I just had a feeling like it was a bad idea. Now 23 years later, I feel so relieved I didn't 'miss' anything.
Getting banned for 1 Week because you fly an "Archangel" Ship in an Archangel Stage (Dungeon) and some Grifters get into your stage and attacks your Archangel Ship and you smash them with your Archangel Ship. Then you get the loot from the Grifters removed and banned for 1 Week because 'you' cheated. Thats Eve-Online and was it for me after playing 6 Years. (Okey i was with two Ships in the Stage a long range Autofire Ship as Backup and my Bad Ass Machariel with a maxed Minmatar Char and they started yamming the Backup ship so i closed in and they attacked the Machariel.. and then i killed them instantly)
It would happen for a different reason... and then you (as a dev) see a flood of bug reports and think they are fake. Still a shitty thing to do as a dev, but the bug reports are probably not the cause.
@AnomalousEntropy The Citadels are conceptually a great idea, but I can believe that their implementation had the detrimental effect you described. I've read about an exploit of sorts where you create a courier contract to take a package to a Citadel, then the Citadel owner puts it offline. You physically can't deliver the package, and have to pay the massive collateral. While not directly related to that exploit, google "Tranquility Trading Tower" for another incident regarding high-sec Citadels.
F yeah, the logic and bitterness is sound. I'm a casual gamer. So my time is more valuable cause I don't often have time to play games. Loosing runes in elden ring and stream lined economics matters a lot. Time invested also. Devs ignoring the people complaining cause it's one guild is about as honest as telling someone their complaint isn't valid cause of the color of their skin. Deva have gotten gready and disgusting nearly across the board over the years. I may be a not good casual old school gamer, preferably... mostly. But this online and dev behavior is gross.
@@Ornithopter470 I don't know what most of the abbreviated stuff says or means. I never played the game. I did think it seemed interesting. Heck I think I own it just never got to it. I thought it was a big online star craft type game. But the behavior is still gross.
I feel like the EVE Online Devs handled the playerbase like a group of DMs presiding over a massive LARP event that clearly had a pre-defined idea of how people were supposed to play and punished anyone who didn't play along severely, all while giving clear advantage to players that were probably personal friends. Your problem was you got too good at the game, and instead of embracing it the Devs felt personally affronted you were ruining their game or some bullshit like that, so they just let everything bad that could happen to you happen, ignored any request your guild made, and put a low priority on issues reported by guild members. What a bunch of assholes.
Of course the devs have final say on how the game is "supposed" to be played. Who else? And it's totally possible for guilds to grow "too large" and start disrupting the game for other players.
@@DisgruntledDoomer They weren't disrupting it, though. They were literally carving out a sector of wild, lawless space they could live in without being harassed, *if* it was defended with military precision and strategy. Other players could just *go around* or have their fun in other sectors of the same lawless space. But the devs faked reports of earnings, removed the defensive options players had learned to use, and then just straight up ignored bug reports because it only affected this one group that preferred to live off the grid.
@@DisgruntledDoomer i mean the way he explained it they still could be invaded as long as the invaders spent enough time finding the right wormhole and thought it would be worth it... never mind someone could have ratted them out/become a double agent etc etc.. so clearly the devs removing their only way of defence was a calculated and hostile move
Well said OP. I said in another post it reminds me of that one kid everyone knew when they were little who always had to win the pretend sword fights, DBZ battles, wizard duels, etc or he would throw a tantrum. "Nuh uh it didn't hit me because I have a force field" type thing. People got tired of walking on eggshells so they stopped playing with that kid Only in this case it's worse. Instead of playing make believe with your friends where everyone has equal "power" to suggest what the "reality" is, devs are godlike entities within the context of the game world, they can summarily dictate what the reality is. It's a tacit expectation of players that devs will not abuse that power to benefit themselves in the game, especially in a game that is supposed to be a big sandbox with player driven storylines and politics. The whole point of which is to let players feel like they have a real impact on the game world just like if they were 7 again playing pretend with their friends.
I "won" EvE Online by quitting about 5 years ago. I remember all the deep null wars. I was there when Battleships were the largest ships in the game and our mining "ops" consisted of Apocs fitted to the brim with cargo expanders and mining laser II's. Best gaming time of my life, met a ton of great friends i keep in touch with randomly today, but damn do I NOT miss what EvE became later on. Actual Devs working to hinder other alliances in the game through official patches was some of the most BS I'd ever seen. Sad to hear it kept happening.
Do you remember the introduction of tier 2 ships? Actual interceptors etc which insurance only covered the cost of the tier 1 version? Roaming fleets of frigates were some of the best fun we had, that was a lot of fun going for a cruise through deep nullsec.
@AnomalousEntropy i think a lot of people would argue that was fozzie sov. killed me when they nerfed blops accidentally alongside adding jump fatigue.
Pretty much the same thing with me. I was mostly solo so I never really took part in any of the wars but I enjoyed the time when everything did everything much more than the meta of the more recent updates. The biggest thing that kills EVE for me is the free skillpoints and free alts for multiboxers. At least when I started, gankers had to spend time to make accounts and train toons, now it's just 500k free skillpoints so making gank alts is a matter of nuisance.
Ahh the good old days of Eve. I remember when our alliance had to evacuate nullsec due to a pending invasion and quickly empty out high value items from the NPC station we had held. 50 Battleships all hauling the highest value stuff with me in the middle in an Iteron V stuffed to the brim with Nocxium. Felt like a tractor-trailer in the middle of a tank convoy. The alliance was under the impression my hauler was stuffed with top end loot. If there was a spy and enemies came for the evacuation, they wouldn't realize until it was too late they got the equivalent of tons of silver when the gold and gems got away. Awesome times.
Tf could he do lol? They control development, and support. So they get to sit inside their pretty offices making millions off of idiots who open up their wallet anytime something even remotely better drops, so losing a couple hundred players isnt going to ruin them. If the entire EVE playerbase would just stop spending money on the game, then the devs would actually care about the game and not pull an EA with Apex where they make it a shopping simulator with a side of buggy, broken, barely playable mess.
Ark: Survival Evolved has exactly this issue, but with the publishers. People raid their tribe, then suddenly the server crashes, then reverts back to before the raid, except all the people who attacked the base were banned.
Only on certain servers like conquest cluster, where snailgames took over the dev support from wildcard, the rest of the game was at the end of official filled with hackers and dupers. But yea lots of youtubers were banned for raiding snailgames affiliated tribes
That blows my fucking mind. The fact that the devs out right said 'fuck um.' and fixed the issue once other players reported it. I'm glad you quit. That demonstrates a clear bias and favorability that the devs have towards people. Anyone who plays EvE should be aware of this that the devs have players they dislike and will actively ignore your legitimate concerns cause they just don't like you.
TIL that @PirateSoftware is Maldavius. Mal, the defence of the final Azbel under you and Alterari Phoenix will forever be THE BEST fight I've been in, and I've been in countless more fights since. Thank you for everything you did for Stribog. Can I have your stuff?
Wow, I haven't thought about that game in a long, long time. I remember when I was trying to get started as an eager new player, I learned the basics, cobbled together enough to get (what I thought was) a moderately decent ship outfitted... only to get blown up then podded by players camping outside the high-sec space gates the microsecond after I appeared. Over, and over, and over, over many days. I thought, "There must be more pleasant ways to bang my head against the wall than this..." I guess I'm glad I never got into it. Most ex-players speak of it like grizzled Vietnam vets: "It was pure hell. I'll never be the same. But we had each other's backs, man."
@@Calamity_Jack I think being into a corp is a big factor in having the necessary power to have fun. In my case, devoted weeks of my life to a corp (that had already an year of existence) that was growing and moving to a new, more dangerous sector. Fast forward those weeks, after we grinded like mad for the corp, the founder says that we have a huge target on our backs and thus we are moving back, but he will arrange transport, so we should move all our holdings into the corp. After days of logistics and everyone putting everything in, he reveals the snare, locks everyone out of everything, does a rug pull and leaves a message. In the end, it was an year-long planned rug pull so he could have enough wealth to be set for the rest of his game-life. After that me and other new players got kinda tired. I tried playing for some days, having my own goals and everything, but it was not the same as playing with a group, and while i missed the group play, i was too burned out of the complexities, politics and danger that involves PvP between corps.
This is how I view it too. I love reading or listening to these grandiose stories of factions trying to hold space and betrayals from within and all that stuff. But talking to long term players and hearing stories like this really make me glad I don't put the amounts of time in needed to actually play.
Nah, CCP saw Stribog as not playing the game how they wanted it played... which used to be something they celebrated. They thought Stribog was making stuff up, scamming or just not understanding what was going on, so they ignored them... That was the vibe I got from it, but I was a wormholer. I was used to that attitude from CCP, it's just wormholes didn't have issues like that, the few that did exist CCP actually cared enough to fix. A good example is when CCP was going to change a module to keep it from being exploited. It would have had SERIOUS consequences for us. They said they'd fix it "soon" and we rioted. There were a lot more wormholers than triglav enthusiasts, it took them something like 2 days to give us a module to fix the issue. But we knew damn well that if they'd put it off until later like they originally planned we'd have never seen it.
...you all remember why the CSM was even formed in the first place, right? The devs have played favorites with members of the playerbase for a very, very long time.
Hey Thor, Dread Pirate Steve here. I met you at Open Sauce 2024 briefly, you seemed like a super genuine dude. Anyway, I wanted to add my experience to this, as I was involved in the Pochven burnination campaign while it was happening, on the defensive side but not actually in Stribog proper. If anything, Thor is downplaying the situation. You had a guild mostly active in US timezone being hit by multiple guilds simultaneously across all timezones. It was pure panic and incredibly unfair. Round the clock alarms as structures would get hit, and if we didnt defend against the 10 man crew of russians hitting the structure during their time zone, a group of 300 guys would be showing up later to finish it off. Most of stribog quit by the time the call was made to throw in the towel and burn what was left.
literally felt like he was reciting some space fantasy lore, his guild literally fought the gods and burned a permanent scar in space. This is like some marathon shit.
Eve is just life experience, you go in an adolescent and come out a man, you put all your effort into something end up on a high, play high stakes only for it all to come crashing down and sometimes god just screws you anyway, by the time you're done, you're ready for the real world, lol.
CCP created a new area for content but also a new way of getting around the map. He wanted a monopoly on the area then got upset when it was opened to the rest of the player base to use as intended.
I remember helping found Pochven years ago when we were taking the HS systems, we helped bring Raravoss to light and never got a chance due to IRL to take advantage of it, glad folks like you took to it the way my boys and I would've wanted, thanks for bringing this to life in a great way my man, loved the video.
"Please help us fix this bug that might take months" "Ah yes, for helping us fix the dread bugs, we've awarded you a golden middle finger. One for every member of your guild!" :D
And when you do end up playing it, just for the hell of it, after 10 hrs of playing the game you reach a point to where you realize that your time is better spent doing something else or playing something else and never touch eve again, unless if you get sucked in to the addiction of enough time playing the game, as you tasted it once you could never get enough of it and its hard to stop.
My friends and I had a saying back in the day that you reminded me of -- "It's more fun to talk about Skyrim, than it is to play Skyrim" Same thing happened with Eve in 2021-2022
@@BRAZILIAN_MIKU shit ton of money and time invested into the battle, around 300k DLLs and the betrayal was one guy stealing 23k from a corporation (clan) through a clever maneuver...
I served with Thor during those final days, and he was the best Alliance leader I've seen in 18 years of playing Eve. The reputation factor is when I quit playing. I was stuck with negative Edencom standing, limiting my mobility in high-sec and now the whole reason I worked tirelessly to gain Trig standing was useless. The main reason I found Pochven engaging was it gave us a little sandbox to play in where you had to earn your way in (weeks of grinding standing, and real consequences for having it), couldn't build more structures (real consequences if they were lost), and capital engagements were highly limited. I hated getting hot dropped and prefer smaller ships for PVP. With one "minor" change, CCP destroyed all that made Pochven engaging for me and left me without the ability to fly in high-sec without grinding for a month or more (in space that was now open to everyone). I still pop into Eve every now and then, but it's never been the same for me.
@@limegirl420 I mean it was obviously an actual bug since it was fixed after, and the fact the whole region had to burn it down and it still didn’t get fixed till others moved in is kinda whack
@@lumenx7499CCP didn’t want player structures there I’m guessing. The devs are always in control and they’ve been caught before… Like 5-10 major scandals and several in game wars to take out those who had devs assisting their own corp.
as someone who does enjoy EVE a lot but doesn't treat it as a second job, it pains me to hear this, that's absolute bullshit and at least a formal apology from the devs is in order
I am pretty sure this was weeks and months ago, so if we havent heard anything from them since then you can probably tell how little the care to do such apology at this point.
Yup, I had a very similar experience playing Eve. We were fighting two separate alliances that were openly breaking the rules and abusing bugs in the game, and every time we reported it the devs simply told us that there was no proof that 200 people all logging in at the exact same time to crash your game so they could kill your ship while you reconnected was intentional on their part, or that maybe a Titan (they were rare at the time) operating 23 hours a day really was just one person, and not the account being shared between several, or that they simply couldn't do anything about people having somehow created safe spots inside of your system that couldn't be scanned for. Awful developers, and it's not an uncommon story for former Eve players.
He's apparently hitting a nerve here, cesspit forums like reddit are raging about Thor existing or having any opinions. It wouldn't be the first time a dev team for a game ran the show for their buddies instead of their community, and the response to this is telling.
Reddit is a disgusting parasitic wasteland, nothing credible to be found on there unless maybe some handyman type subs, everything else is politicized and disgusting and weird over there.
@@QueeferSutherlandsCouldn’t see comment but username checks out and is definitely a disgusting typical redditor anyways, deleted comment and everything lol. The all run away when you tell them they’re wrong. Nasty little insects the lot of them really.
That's sad, I love the idea of the economy that eve has, and the depth of "player made content", but the devs becoming antagonistic to specific players/factions and taking sides really puts a damper on that :/ The game had it's other issues which caused me to leave it years ago too. I hope the devs can learn from this incident, and specifically about the way players perceive their actions and how it affects the way we feel about their efforts.
@@CristiNeagu Feel like there’s a pretty big difference in general between what people want in a game and what people want in life. GTA is the best selling video game in history yet I don’t think most people wake up wanting to rob people and steal cars.
Had the opportunity to get into EvE during college in late 2000s. Was a bunch of older students who thought they were better than everyone else for playing the "grown up MMORPG" about super series spaceship economies. They told me how they would get calls in the middle of the night to login to defend their section of space. It was the sweatiest nolife stuff I had ever heard. Made my World Of Warcraft hardcore raiding look like a bunch of casuals. I'll take my "baby" MMO if it means I keep my sanity and actually get to enjoy myself instead of a second job.
I TOTALLY understand why that would be an instant nope for most people, but I also understand how amazingly cool that sounds if you are a young guy who can afford that kind of time investment in a game? Like, They're not playing a game any more, they are LITERALLY a space pilot, getting woken up by the intruder alarms and scrambled out into space with their wingmates to intercept the raiders? I can't pretend I don't on some level think that sounds AWESOME! I totally get the appeal of a gaming experience that bleeds into your actual life like that.... even if the practicalities of my life are totally incompatible with it nowadays.
@@adamanonymous6885 That's why we unfortunately need AI for a simulated world. So you can pick it up from where you left it whenever you feel like it. For epic scale, longform games that require more than an afternoon, singleplayer is meta. I've read so many litRPGs, and the MMO-themed ones are always the silliest. Where the MC is the central character the MMO revolves around, just packed full of things noone would ever want in a real multiplayer videogame: Busted overpowered unique classes only one person can ever get, while the unwashed masses have to suck rocks and be a permanent underclass with no hope of advancement. And of course every game would have a royal class of early nolife adapters. I guess there's a reason the MMO fell out of favor. The novelty of playing a game with a chatroom attached wore off real fast. I'm over here wanting to talk about Ghostbusters, and everyone else is a utility zombie looking to make their numbers get bigger as quickly as possible. We are not aligned; other people are hell. As another youtube comment guy once said, it used to be 'oh boy, I get to play with other people!' And then it became 'oh no, I have to play with other people...' A ten-twenty minute battle game that condenses all that leveling into a much smaller span of time... I think it's kind of neat that the Arcade game has come back into favor.
@@Coronus53 honestly those battles weren't fun for me. I found the most fun being fights of something between 20-40. Big enough to have logi but small enough that you could save people. Biggest fight I even enjoyed was something around 150 pilots and it was more after I died and started hunting assets around the station containers (was defending against a wormhole eviction) I'd find enemies trying to reship off our loot, warp to that container, bubble them and then a few fellow corp mates would warp to the bubble to kill them... All the while the FC was directing the battle on comms and had no idea what was going on. We had multiple battles on grid at some points and it was just absolutely beautiful chaos. That is Eve to me. Not the organized N+1 fights but the chaos of what goes on around them.
Eve wasn’t a game, it was a job in a small town of scammers, run by scammers. The only way to win was to be on call all the time, like an EMT, and to have a crew you could trust. The problem is trustworthy people are also scammers, they just scam less often. In the very best case they would hide it until they wanted to get out, then they pulled their scam of a lifetime.
My experience as a new player last year: Devoted weeks of my life to a corp (that had already an year of existence) that was growing and moving to a new, more dangerous sector. Fast forward those weeks, after we grinded like mad for the corp, the founder says that we have a huge target on our backs and thus we are moving back, but he will arrange transport, so we should move all our holdings into the corp. After days of logistics and everyone putting everything in, he reveals the snare, locks everyone out of everything, does a rug pull and leaves a message. In the end, it was an year-long planned rug pull so he could have enough wealth to be set for the rest of his game-life. After that me and other new players got kinda tired. I tried playing for some days, having my own goals and everything, but it was not the same as playing with a group, and while i missed the group play, i was too burned out of the complexities, politics and danger that involves PvP between corps.
One of the biggest turns offs of EVE is that it is marketed as the ultimate PVP sandbox, but the end, once you reach "The Zone" where everything makes sense and you've succeeded in building something that matters, you realize that the main conflicts in EVE aren't PVP, but Player vs CCP. The devs are a faction in the EVE metagame, for better or worse, and they are certainly *not* neutral regardless of how they may claim to be or may actually be trying to be.
Does any game above a certain size have truly neutral devs/staff? I think there is a lesson about humans here. We tend to be factional, and politics encroach into everything (unfortunately).
After supplying and commanding many fleets in the off-peak times during that war, I settled in Kino, the system at the point opposite the side Stribog inhabited. During that first 2-3 months our income came from killing NPC ships that spawned on those wormholes. The NPCs in pochven were notoriously broken but were our only source of income besides the dreadsites. Then the devs later made a change that made the NPCs not fight unless there was a player there with them to save on server resourses WITHOUT FIXING ANY OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD. This broke them further, and this includes the NPCs in the dreadsites. From randomly deciding you're an enemy to "sleeping" until the first ship in their group is destroyed. Randomly becoming to an enemy to a triglavian fleet was a problem. Since retaliating in any way meant a significant hit to your standings and likely a loss of access to your space as you described.
Ah, EVE Online, the 'game' that asks "Wouldn't you rather be back in your cubicle, or at least performing eerily similar, work-like activities during your free time?"
I was a line member in Stribog at the time of the burning. It was hell, but it was also mid Covid and a lot of people had a lot of free time. At the time, it was a nightmare. People in the alliance who were still working were taking time off work to defend timers, real life relationships were suffering, much sleep deprivation was had. But I gotta say, looking back, those were probably some of the most incredible months of gaming I’ve experienced. This may just be the nostalgia glasses talking but social experiences and shared struggles like that in Eve makes the game feel like what every other MMO dreams of being. It is wasted on the shithead devs at CCP Edit: also f*** off Maldavius
Well-said. EvE is not a traditional game, as it is the only MMO that was not created by gamers. There is no handholding or instant dopamine rewards every five seconds like the current games industry has become - it's one of the last games where your actions have consequences. The downside is that it can take a lot of commitment if you want to attempt empire building or player organization. It takes a lot of space work in the games mechanics to be successful in those things.
So in other words, you got a great, unique gaming experience in part due to the shittiness of the devs, who made the game? LMAO and ya'll wonder why they do stuff like that...most MMO players are gluttonous for punishment, and if I was ever to make an MMO game, I'd do the same thing they do and exploit that fact for profit. Because why not?
@@CouchCit you have the reading comprehension of a fruit fly. they specifically said that the experience was so valuable because of the people they played with, not the devs being dickheads and forcing them out of the game.
Well. Eve had a weird history in who owned it. They started out a small company. Then the bubble leading up to 2008 happened and a Icelandic billionaire bought them. Then the bubble burst and he lost everything. His share went to another hedge fund in the selloff. Who sold those to another hedge fund. And then Pearl Abyss bought them. Every time they got a new owner things got worse. By the time Thor was playing the game was basically done. All the big plans had crashed a decade before in one of the selloffs when the hedge funds demanded money to pay off the acquisition price. The weird billionaire days were Eve's best. He didn't know what he was doing or demand anything and just bought things to own them. So the devs could actually spend the money they made on things. The game is a shadow of what it was. It's not in maintenance mode in the classic sense. But it's in maintenance mode. Has been for awhile.
Ah, EVE, I used to play that years ago. Until the Devs decided I was playing wrong. Me and some friends had a sweet setup with carrier logistics. We would load up our carriers with maxed out haulers and load them up with drone region drops and whisk them to empire low sec space. It worked great, we could haul something like 130k m3 each, and we could not be stopped because we were flying carriers and had maxed out the skills required, so if someone tried to intercept our cynosural pilot, congrats! You now have to deal with 3 fully kitted battle carriers. We charged 20,000 isk per m3 and we always had full loads, it was great. Then CCP decided we were playing wrong and make it so haulers stored in a carrier could only carry ammo, and then released jump freighters, which did what we were doing, but way, way shittier.
I think I'll have much more fun listening to EVE Online stories than I'll ever do actually playing it. EVE Online stories are amazing. Hearing what players go through while playing it is terrifying.
@@azkon7975 yes, and older stories are craziest. Like copying bookmarks for weeks just to warp to gates at 0km or that 10 hour login trap to kill a freighter.
True that. I'm thankful not to have invested more than a few months into the game. I could see the writing on the walls very clearly. Unrelated question for @azkon7975 where is your profile image from? It's cool, reminds me a little of Rukia from Bleach.
Looks like the developers didn't like the fact that players who were good at the game could be good at their game so they nerfed your ability to be good to give more players a chance to be artificially good. Then when it was certain your guild could no longer rule they happened upon the ability to fix all the shit that was hindering you from being even better so other players could be better. Shit devs. Shit game. Glad I never got involved with it.
Devs basically waited until Pirate's guild gave up and quit the game, then they moved in and fixed all the issues with that zone lmao What a buncha scumbags.... No wonder that game died out.
I made some research and found a Interview (uploaded 1 Month before thor send his quit message) where there talk about every problem (with 3 other people who agree to the Problems) Now lets talk about the opening you talk about: He ask for an easy access, not for free access. He didn´t got what he ask for and got screwd over because of it. I found a bug report from june 2021 (his quit message to his guild in eve was: july 2021), so it looks like it didn´t got fixed months before he quits.
Even high-sec isn't safe. There's been a player-owned ore mafia for years who demands you to pay them money, and if you don't, they'll send in cheap destroyers and blow up your mining ship before CONCORD steps in and blows them up. If you build your mining ship to be tanky, they send in multiple destroyers.
I have never heard a single story about Eve Online that made me think "that sure sounds fun". Not one. Every single story I've ever heard made me think "I would not play this game with someone else's money and time."
Jesus. I’ve worked with contractors smoking weed vapes on federal property and this is still the most unprofessional job I’ve heard of. Sorry the community had to get fucked by the devs like that, absolutely repulsive behavior to their player base.
@@RedshirtAfficionado there is no legitimate reason to be high at work. only thing that is an exception is if your job is testing weed vapes. (coming from a chronic weeder)
EVE Online became toxic as hell, and it didn’t start all rainbows and fluffy bunnies. When they made it so you couldn’t reliably roll the WH portals closed and secure a WH, my crew gave up. Our 3 year occupation of a WH required a secure space to run our PVE fleet or we’d get easily ganked by PVP fit groups. Our play style was deemed “too defensive” by the devs, so they made WHs indefensible and our tactics failed. When you take away a team’s game, is it really surprising they stop playing what you think their game should be? Sandbox game my ass.
Seconded here. WH space was the last bastion of the small corporation. Now everywhere is reduced to cold hard numbers, as blobs of ships smash into each other.
Eve progressivly became less about building and growing as a group and having something you where proud of, to 3 day old characters ganking everything and spamming " EZ KILL". i left when the only defence vs ganking was to stay in station. played from 2004-2016, and it went from a lot of fun, to a lot of frustration. i miss it every now and then, but i just cant go back.
@@Caddoan I honestly quit after 2005-2015 over the CODE/James-315/Eroica Psycho-Torture Teamspeak phase due to a RL friend being permaganked by CODE-Psychos as a small Carebear corp CEO (mostly Missionrunning and some rare WH-(low tier) farming) - for giving some lip in allchat. Dude had an IRL mental melt- and breakdown due to his marriage breaking up at that time, and the twats couldn't stop making him feel bad even in his one recluse from reality. GM's did "not see harrassment".
@@trouty7947 I know. Again, if it weren't for the thing with my RL buddy I likely would have ignored all the minerbumping carnage. But him literally getting a meltdown IRL due to repeated small/targeted harrassment (which, ofc was never been ruled by GM's as "true" harrassment, but roleplay) changed my mind, and I left EVE for good. Sad times.
Yeah, sounds like they didn't like how you were playing their game. Double edged sword of an online service, it can go on for a long time, but then it's dependent on the people who make the money from it. And it didn't sound like you had many or any whales in your faction to make them reconsider.
@@TaliaNonya for *not* taking a huge risk? from what I heard, they *had been* taking that huge risk repeatedly until stuff at least partially worked. However, once it did work, the devs didn't feel like giving recompense for the times where it didn't and were angry that [Thor's group] dared suggest they'd been owed a reward for their hard work in testing stuff in such a situation. It was only once the problem proved to affect not only their test group but others too that they even gave half a care.
@@deathZor42 When I was looking to get into the game, people were making highly optimized burn accounts to run at a larger cargo carrier, nuke it, get nuked by patrols before picking up all the good themselves on their main. Hard to say anything is safe with tactics like that.
@@Demortraive played eve off and on since 2018, why tf would you fly a cargo carrier in hisec? Do you mean freighter? Do you mean suicide ganking and CODE? Or whatever new corp theyre in now
I flew with you during the burning. now that the toon has been burned I can say that I was flying with horde at the same time. It wasn't just stribog reporting when seagulling was an issue. I called it my summer home during WWB2, was one of the few places I could go to get away from it. I hated that we had to burn the region but the constant fighting was hell.
Eve Online has had many a controversy over its lifetime, like back in its early days when it was discovered that devs were actively corrupt within the game, god-moding things into existence etc. And the player-made controversies too! Amazing game for player-made storytelling. It's beautiful, too. I used to really enjoy it
5000 hours of eve online here ... A friend that is no longer with us and I ran a corporation that made ammo, we didn't mind anything. What we would do is reprocess loot from the rats we would kill. We lived in Serpentis null and would belt rat. We could get the dreadnaught to spawn reliably and had friends in the area. My friend had the manufacturing skills and I geared for combat... Well CCP sent him a year in review mentioning he was "in the top 2% of manufacturing characters"... They proceeded with the tiercide updates and nerfed the shit out of what they deemed "gunmining" I still remember the update email... We quit soon after due to our wormhole dying as well... I still have 2.5 bil in a rorqual and an orca with all the characters, I wish I had his account. CCP are weird bastards
The end of gun-mining, that takes me back a few years, like stopping the mineral compression in ship modules that made gameplay less tedious. Yes, they wanted to make mining more 'relevant' and it can be done with automated alt accounts, which all need to be paid for, and is some of the most mind-numbing content I've ever done in that game. I'm sure nerfing a player in-game profession that also boosted the company bottom line was just a coincidence. On top of that they show the stats of all the people forced to mine to keep their corp viable and state the game is now in a healthier position and look at all the people having fun. CCP has enjoyed a near monopolistic position in the space-mmo market, I hope scam-citizen is the competition they sorely need.
@@OBSIDEONSHOCKWAVE oh the 2.5 bil was just the invintory estimate across all the ships we had packed inot the hangars, all the ammo, the rorq is still decked out to the T and it was 9-13 bil at the time. the orca was full boosty so she was 2 bil+ as well. not counting the lachesis we had for the jumptarget and all the tier 3s and toys we had too... god i was sad when the orca reworks were a stealth nerf
I tried to get into Eve when you had to have yearly subscriptions. No group would take me as a new player, and I would be constantly ganked and killed because I didnt know what I was doing wrong, and nobody would teach me the game. The game didnt have a tutorial, and everything was locked behind a real world time requirement. Whatever big group game you go to next, I want in. You and the groups you make seem awesome.
@@banaman7746 I think it's less that and more "We thought this alliance, who were extremely possessive of their space to the point no one gets in were being griefed, which is alright ( It's how you fight assymetric warfare in EVE basically ), but now we're aware that the griefing isn't limited to just that alliance and people are doing that shit to everyone else too." Either way, if the system was set up in such a way in any other site, like DED's or WH's, it'd be patched, but clearly the devs had some ideas against Stribog, probably because they were peeved that most of playerbase were not getting access to this content they had worked to create. EVE devs aren't the best when it comes to dealing with player behaviour that doesn't match what they want. The first case for that is probably the dispersed endless gatecamp where devs literally spawned in assets to destroy player ships that were camping a gate to access part of the highsec, and after the camp reformed once the fighting stopped, they used developer access to disperse the camp by teleporting players to various parts of space, often hours if not days of travel away from the area. So basically emergent player behaviour that doesn't match what the devs want for the game will get devs work against it, up to and including using devtools to force players into complying.
@@JarkurYaroslav doesn't matter. if your game is bugged, it's your job to fix it, especially when it's such a huge bug. so your saying next time you play and you encounter a game breaking bug, it's ok they completely ignore you because they happen to think you don't matter? because that's what your saying. they did it already, they can (and if comments here are to be believed) do it again.
07 I was a member of the Alliance It burns when I PVP, flying with Bishop Industries we spent many hours camping the gate at Mirotem, they discovered me looting the carcasses of their kills in my helios, and finally caught up with me and invited me into their corp for calling one of their shot callers a scoundrel. it ended up being the best times I had in EVE PVP ing all over low sec and Null sec. Worm hole space was pretty freaking terrifying for me, but I used Worn holes to jump from low into null sec where I did most of my Ratting. hence the name Rat keller which is a shout out to Eric Idle\s mockumentary called the Rutles.
The fact that despite the devs being so against you, but you still managed to hold until you simply gave up with a scorched earth policy is both impressive on your end and bloody incompetent on the devs end
I observe you daily at random intervals through various streams. You, sir, are undeniably the best in numerous aspects. Your honesty and advocacy for the underdog across different domains are unparalleled, with no hint of elitism. Even though you could effortlessly outshine anyone who challenges you, you remain incredibly awesome. It may sound cliché, but I consider you a role model. Thank you for simply being yourself, sir.
I remember when this happened. Started offering my services as a "Rat Hunter" would just sit by the gates hunting the cloaked rats. It didnt pay well...but was honest work. Hate to see how you guys were treated by the Devs and havent touched Eve in years.
@@asonofliberty3662 Devs have been acting like that for close to 10 years now, perhaps more. As long as there's at least 4000 people paying for the subscription in some capacity, the game won't die, and the people who do that probably will never quit as long as the game is up. Same deal with Wow. People have been saying it's dead since WoD, yet wow is still here and Blizzard's biggest money machine still.
And here I was about to install and play EVE on my PC and phone. Seriously, I was looking for video reviews and this showed up... NOPE, not even gonna try it. Thanks for the video Pirate. Keep it up! :)
I played EVE as a kid sometime back in 2006~2008. I just liked flying around, mining stuff and thinking I was making good money (I wasn't.) I remember really liking it, but I couldn't afford a subscription and just kept making new accounts to play the free trial. Naturally, I didn't stick around after I ran out of email addresses to use. It's so wild to hearing stories like this. I never could have imagined the game would eventually become what it is today.
@@ethanfreeman1106 Haha I wouldn't necessarily say I was "wise," just broke! I do remember having a lot of good, innocent fun with it though. It makes me sad that experience wasn't actually indicative of the rest of the game, haha
Even though I never played a day of EVE in my life (although I sometimes feel the urge to give it a shot), every now and then I find a story like this online, and it's always some of the most entertaining stories I hear in games.
5:55 It sounds like the devs thought you cried wolf too much and stopped listening instead of reviewing every request anonymously 🤔. Idk why they'd get to that conclusion, but people can be dumb sometimes.
I quit when i took like a 5-6 month break, came back, and found out that I could NO LONGER fly 7-8 of my ships because they decided to change the skills required to fly them all. And we're talking like 3-4 months out from being able to fly just ONE of them. Think when I calculated it all, it would have taken me little over a year to fly ships I had been flying for YEARS with everything skill related already capped out. There's no larger fuck you than just removing my ability to do something I had been for years, in some weird ass Pseudo-Attempt to get me to play longer. I fully uninstalled and didn't look back.
@@ethanfreeman1106 I did reinstall recently just to see if anyone I used to play with was still playing to reconnect, but yeah. It's just a shame since the game used to be so good. From what I've gathered from videos YT recommends it's just filled with people with 40 tabs open using a program to have em all insta lock and fire at the press of a button lol, so the Player count is even more of a sham than it used to be when people just had 1-2 alts lol.
Which ships? Normally when they make changes like that you end up getting grandfathered into the skills required. I know that's how it worked with the Orca back in the day.
In the last 15 years I've been playing, I've never heard of them doing this. They've always either given the new skills for free to people that would need them for things they already had, or refunded already trained skills being taken away into skill points that can be freely allocated.
@@pluralkumquat I don't recall all of them as it was a lot of years ago. I believe two of the types in question were Covert Ops and transports though. I know transports for sure since I had just moved everything in it before taking the break as I knew it would be an extended one, and no longer had the skills required to fly it. And I was on many of Bombing runs, and was no longer capable of running any when I came back.
EvE Online = 25K players keep playing the game because they have invested so much time and money into the game that they don't want to lose it. That's the game. Literally. "OMG we need new players" *new player enters "Oh hi new player! FUCK YOU!" *new player uninstalls
after all these years I have never heard anything good enough about eve to ever consider playing. good things-big crazy space battles bad things- literally everything else
The first time you are in an Alliance battle is something else... but it can be as boring and adrenaline filled as anything. The largest battle I was in was a 3 way stand off between Huzzah, BOB, and another I can't remember. If memory serves it was several hundred players nearing 1,000 spread across 3 systems... This was in the early days of the dreads and motherships and they had the time dilation code in effect to support having that much there. It was slow but still responsive... but looking at the screen and seeing so many ships like stars in the sky was something else.... everyone was broken up into squads and fleets. I was in a Tier 2 Command ship Amarr called "Monkey Bars".
I always found the theory-crafting and testing insanely fun. But once you've 'solved' the problem and actually sit down and play it gets very stale. I mostly ran incursion and after i found the optimal way to run them on my own, i only lasted about two months before i quit.
It sucks that you went through all that. I'm currently taking a break from Eve, even if I don't return, it's a game that will always be near to my heart.
It's insane how the devs are super biased, if it doesn't help goonswarm they legitimately don't care, it's awful. I played the game for 15 years and also quit around the same time as Thor because the devs have broken every promise they made about monetization and continue to make the game unplayable for small blocks
I'm a bit sad I missed out on the fun that in retrospect being a Trig player would of been, was a cringe miner exploiting HS spod income at the time. But hey, I got paid to try and kill your Keepstar Thor when I was with my last alliance 😂
Watch the video, my dude. That is explained. You can do it, I believe in you! But if you don't want to: They didn't acknowledge it and made it even worse.
@@leoleo1035 They're asking about the end of the video you smartass! Did the devs acknowledge it after they fixed it for others? That's the screwing they were talking about. Read the comment, my dude. That is explained. I too can be a condescending prick for no reason!
I have a popular meme with my brother, where we just treat "Can't" with Hubris, and Spite. The Spite and Hubris on display by burning that sector of space deserves respect.
I logged in a couple months ago, after years of not playing, to find all my assets flung into some kind of occupied wormhole space with no way back to Jita. I was confused. I was further confused by the archaic UI that I didn't remember how to use. I opened a ticket about it and a dev replied without understanding what I was saying at all. Then a second dev with more syllables in his title offered a "one time" move back to high sec. But then I realized that I really didn't care and never opened the game again.
Your high sec system got taken over by the trigs. They should've understood your petition and moved your assets, that's what they're supposed to do and ultimately they did offer to do that and you should've taken it. It was poor form by CCP to have trigs take over systems and not move dormant accounts to somewhere safe but I guess there is positives and negatives in doing that.
@@CyrilSneer123 They pointed out that it's very difficult to move ships into the region and my stuff might be very valuable. I am sitting on basically an entire fleet. I just didn't care. It killed my motivation to go back to a game I hadn't played in years.
It is an amazing experience, but you need a lot of time... after some time the coin drops in your brain and you realize "wtf am i doing?" For some it is the unbalance of the big coalitions destroying even low sec battles, for some the idiotic behavior of highsec gankers, the devs nerfing/buffing what they want... you get what i'm trying to say here right? An old say in EvE: "Killmail goes up, Player count goes down"
@@Ythiro current faction warfare lowsec player here, I can guarantee you that any time a big alliance tries to show off in low they get shredded to bits, and those who might be able too are too scared to undock
Because what Thor described is not the experience of every player in the game. It was just his group, in a small section of the game, during a small specific timeframe. The entire time this happened, me and my group for example were 0% affected by any of it, happily doing our thing in our different corner of space - along with 98% of the rest of the playerbase. EVE is immensely vast and varied.
You should talk to some of the Minmatar RP community about their feelings of developer interaction with the lore/RP side of things - in particular faction warfare and how long that went unabatedly busted. Will open your eyes to just how long the inherent biases have been going on.
speaking of distance: they also decided to wreck k-space distances by connecting curse, metropolis, placid, and venal. and then got surprised when fraternity among others decided to use it to send battleship fleets easily across the map to the south east through curse
I feel your pain. As a former EVE Online player and Hi-Sec Carebear / Miner I have nothing but respect for you guys who went out in to Low-Sec to build an empire. I used to spend most of my time in Hi-Sec and Wormhole space trying to make a in game living which became tougher and tougher with the almost constant War Declarations. I cannot over state the corrosive effect of the War Decs on a corporation. We were forced in to spending time bouncing between alt characters just be able to get around. Living in a whormhole turned out to the best thing to do. CCP seemed to want a constant state of war to make things exciting.
I wound up leaving EVE due to what to my knowledge was the first anti "carebear" campaign... for those not in the know, a "carebear" was a player that staid in high security zones rather than risking losing what they had acquired in low to no security zones. So a rather sizable portion of the player base had decided that people like me and my friends were playing the game wrong and were going to invade in the zones in force to bully new players into playing their way...
A carebear is someone who cries at losing their ships. They don't want to lose anything, don't want to pvp, and will quit the game if they lose their starter frigate. Its really just a "big baby" Being in high sec all the time is just part of it. 😂 it's really more about the "oooo I can't lose anything" mentality
For those in the comments talking about my CSM campaign where I advocated for the opening of the gates, you've intentionally left half of the request out. I wanted the gates open to allow counter-play AND the Triglavian gate guards fixed to be like their Highsec counterparts to compensate. This would allow players through but put them at a major disadvantage if they were not Triglavian aligned. This is the same gameplay for any other region of space if you are an outlaw or negative with that local faction so it's not new tech.
CCP, in classic fashion, opened the gates but did not fix the gate guards. The Pochven Triglavian gate guards routinely attacked Triglavian aligned players and were never fixed. This prevented us from patrolling and guarding our own space as our NPC guards would attack and kill us at random. We couldn't fight back as that would lower our standing with the Triglavian faction. This was a confirmed bug and CCP had to refund nearly a hundred ships to our players as a result. Sometimes it took over a month to get them back on our side but external groups would get their ships back in hours to days. CCP stated they would spend the quarter on Pochven. All they did was open the gates and perform no other improvements.
To put this into context for non-eve players, imagine if you were playing a game like FFXIV or WoW and your city guards randomly attacked and killed you and when you died you dropped half your gear and the other half was destroyed. Putting in a support ticket could take up to a month to get your gear back and until then you got nothing. Fun experience, right?
You can read the original and entire request here: forums.eveonline.com/t/vote-maldavius-csm-16/305730
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That's bullshit behavior. Glad you had the self respect to quit the game and never come back.
Isn't that grounds for a lawsuit since players lost real money from devs.
Haha! Set'em straight, brother.
Loved to hear the story of your journey in Eve. Can relate to it, though from another angle. I played for 9 glorious years, always part of one small corp or alliance, trying to stand up to the big boys. At some point the devs issued their plans about making the game more accessible for 'the small guy', and then rolled nothing but changes that helped the large empires maintain their already existing territories -- further gutting the chances of small alliances getting a piece of them. All this while churning statement after statement that it wasn't the case, despite small alliance players calling them out on it. In the end, it was the two-faced nature of the devs that got me off of it too.
Turns out the large empires hold the devs hostage with threats that they'll have their players leave the game if they dont make changes that benefit them. Damn shame to see this, because no other game offers what EvE does.
Shit you're Maldvius? I've heard of you in-game. Damn, it's a been a while since I played Eve. Used to run raids with UA but this game can literally be like a full-time job. Could be great fun if that's what your into (and I was when I was single) but it's not something I can commit to as I get older. Especially for middle of the night ops to defend your space. You get amped for your first massive Ti-Di fight and then you realize your 10 hours in and you have work in the morning but your logistics and you're needed to keep reps up.......
I play(ed) Eve online since 2003 and the 2 most common things from the players still are:
"A player found out..."
"CCP never responded..."
Every EVE online post I've seen in my entire life is either
- money war between two rich dudes,
- people leaving the game in droves, or
- devs spitting on their playerbase
Sounds like an awful game
@@Seneca-o2x Sounds like you're really mad about other people having opinions. Stay off the internet, you'll be a lot happier.
@@Seneca-o2x I mean you are though. You took someone's comment which was very clear, not claiming they play the game or anything, just relaying what they've seen over however many years. Your response is to call them a liar and a bandwagon hopper with no basis other than your own frustration. Starting a discussion out of frustration and making baseless claims on top of that is the definition of being mad "angry, resentful" you're angry and resentful of those who have a differing opinion / experiences with something that you appear to enjoy. Nothing wrong with defending what you like but rather than being a tool, add to the discussion because maybe you find a middle ground understanding with someone. No on will give you the time of day if you start every conversation angry and ready to shit on the other person for no reason.
Fact of the matter is, over thousands of hours in Eve, I've never had these issues, and I've only met one dude out of hundreds thats had AN issue. The devs are greedy, they are biased, and they play their own game, but unless there are issues that more than one unaffiliated faction experiences, it's not getting fixed nor is the player getting helped. I know it sounds like shit, but keep in mind, players in Eve are all unhinged. If one dude from faction A says he has an issue, it's not getting followed up on. If another dude from faction B says he has the same issue, except faction A and B are on good terms or are allied, issue gets ignored, becuase they might be just fucking with the devs, or trying to waste time, or exploit something, or get an advantage. Now if two dudes have the same issues from 'opposing' factions? That's real shit.
@@Seneca-o2x so you wrote a sarcastic comment to add nothing to the conversation other than be abrasive. Have some self awareness about how you communicate, that was the whole point of my comment
"We're not helping because it's you, but the second anyone else has that problem, we'll fix it" is unbelievable. That's proof positive that the devs were not on the side of the playerbase, they were specifically sided AGAINST some players.
It is more like if only one corp reports something why bother fixing it... but yeah still pretty shitty...
The TRUE pvp experience
From what i'm hearing if you're not a whale in that game and you do something they don't like you're in trouble. Whales have been known to make them reconsider their actions.
Sadly, the devs of EVE play their own game and it's been documented many times that they've done things that give them and people they like advantages over other players.
Oh they are super biased, if it doesn't help goonswarm they legitimately don't care, it's awful, I played the game for 15 years and also quit around the same time as Thor because the devs have broken every promise they made about monetization and continue to make the game unplayable for small blocks
Every time I hear a story about EVE, it starts off sounding like the coolest thing ever...
And then it gets worse and worse progressively...
And then it ends with "And I quit because the Devs did some corrupt shit."
I can't believe it is still around tbh.
@@CaptExpendable I can. MMO players are another Breed, and it takes hell AND High water to shake them from their MMO of choice, even if it makes as many missteps as EVE and CCP do.
I should know, I used to play Toontown, and still dip back in occasionally via Rewritten.
@@Gh0stWh33l As an ex-toontown player, Man are you right. Very little content in the game, the progression is designed to stop you from progressing in order to pay for another month of subscription and I still kept playing that game forever.
@@CaptExpendable When it was good, it was so damn good.
And then it was not.
Played daily from 2006 to 2010. I pop in every other year or so to see what's changed and it is always the same. Some new stuff with lots of potential... but it's broken, unbalanced, abused to shit or already dead.
I never heard any of the massive corrupt dev stories til now, and when I was playing the game there was all this hype around the CSM (council of stellar management) which was like a player-run feedback system. But of course that's likely corrupted too.
Good thing I never joined a corporation big enough or rose to a high enough rank for it to ever affect me. Because god damn, everything in Eve takes several hours to do and the only way to make it not take several hours is if you turn it into an actual job.
Every third sentence I hear about EVE is the coolest thing my scifi nerd brain has ever heard, but the first and second things always sound like Satan himself said them.
Don't fall for it. EVE is literally a spreadsheet simulator. You can have as much fun in Microsoft Excel while looking at screenshots of Elite Dangerous.
I played EVE during the pandemic as a hi-sec miner. It was chill until it wasn’t, which was usually due to AI in system security being absolutely shit at their jobs. Eventually, I lost my most expensive ship to an exploit and gave up on the game.
@@ElectusAnimus in system security (CONCORD) isnt there to save you. They are there to punish those who transgress the laws. Their response time is precise, findable on the wiki and tied to the sec status of your system. It pays to have that number in your head whenever out and about… if you can survive X seconds then CONCORD could save you…
@@ElectusAnimus Ganking is not an exploit, sorry
@@RhadenGG I think he meant rapid system response not working
I stopped playing Eve when my account got hacked and so logically, I reported it, but all they did was ban me for "account sharing". This was many years ago.
That makes me want to develop a game, turn it into the most popular and fun game on the planet and get everyone to play, then I go on and specially ban those devs for being unfair to you in the past 😂
Goonswarm rep here. 99% of the time when we stole your account, since we stole a lot of accounts. We'd do something really dumb. Like back before 2FA took off we might offer people free services and link them to a web form asking them to create an account. People would input the same email and password as their main. Scamming people and stealing accounts can literally be THAT easy.
@@KevinJDildonik what :D? why were you stealing accounts?
Omfg...
@@dumaassbecause goonswarm is the scum of EVE Online second only to the developers.
"That is just one guild crying, it's really not broken". Taking that stance, with 0 investigation, in a game like EVE, is a recipe for disaster, and a good warning to any potential new players. It probably won't fail as a game but it deserves to.
Why do you think botting is such a problem in eve? They take the same stance there. "It's not a problem if we just ignore it."
Except if that guild is Goonswarm , then CCP will bend over backwards to make them happy
@@1973Washu yeah, like that time they waited over a year to make it illegal to use online gambling as a way to fund a war, eh? oh wait, goons were on the receiving end of that war
That is the crux of the issue. You only got one group crying A LOT. Now try to figure out whether there is an actual problem or they are merely trying to make you give them stuff.
''Your people are not better at Eve, you're doing the same exact work but you have devs on your side''
And corruption from the devs happened time and time again. From the T2 blueprint lottery, that had half the blueprints removed and given manually to one alliance (giving them a literal monopoly on certain essential equipment and ammunition) to assigning beefier hardware to their systems (so their defensive actions had less "time dilation" requiring hours of staring at a game running at 10% realtime), to literal insider information.
I stopped playing over a decade ago - the grind to compete against the devs was just impossible.
Funniest shit this is the same argument used at the top 1% on Ark @ official pvp servers
@@-Timur1214is a complain really invalid if the thing it's pointing at is factually true?
@@-Timur1214 why do you think that?
@@HaralHeisto for context this happened shortly after launch and the dev was immediately fired with the changes reversed, devs are not allowed to play the game with big groups anymore or to their close allies and have all of their accounts monitored
Hearing that "I thought that was just a Stribog problem" suddenly makes me feel _really glad_ I never got into Eve like that.
It's also so incredibly petty. Really speaks volumes about the character of the people running this game.
Literally, it'd make me sick if I put THAT much time into something and heard something as childish as that.
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Same. I had heard about it day 1, I was big into MMO communities and a lot of my friends left to play it. I'm a big sci-fi nerd, and It had always sparked curiosity in me to try it out. But the things I heard, I just had a feeling like it was a bad idea. Now 23 years later, I feel so relieved I didn't 'miss' anything.
Getting banned for 1 Week because you fly an "Archangel" Ship in an Archangel Stage (Dungeon) and some Grifters get into your stage and attacks your Archangel Ship and you smash them with your Archangel Ship. Then you get the loot from the Grifters removed and banned for 1 Week because 'you' cheated. Thats Eve-Online and was it for me after playing 6 Years. (Okey i was with two Ships in the Stage a long range Autofire Ship as Backup and my Bad Ass Machariel with a maxed Minmatar Char and they started yamming the Backup ship so i closed in and they attacked the Machariel.. and then i killed them instantly)
Guild: Reports a bug
Devs: Sounds like a you problem
New players: Reports same bug
Devs: Surprised Pikachu
Imagine hating a guild because they report bugs in your game, and then not fixing them to spite those players.
the at some point the company started hiring players as devs which were incredibly corrupt. there was a huge war because of that
Not just not fixing them but also removing ANY FORM of defensive measures.
Reminds me of the Ark Survival Evolved devs
It would happen for a different reason... and then you (as a dev) see a flood of bug reports and think they are fake. Still a shitty thing to do as a dev, but the bug reports are probably not the cause.
@AnomalousEntropy The Citadels are conceptually a great idea, but I can believe that their implementation had the detrimental effect you described. I've read about an exploit of sorts where you create a courier contract to take a package to a Citadel, then the Citadel owner puts it offline. You physically can't deliver the package, and have to pay the massive collateral.
While not directly related to that exploit, google "Tranquility Trading Tower" for another incident regarding high-sec Citadels.
Salted the empty space to spite them
Wish such things were an option in other games.
F yeah, the logic and bitterness is sound. I'm a casual gamer. So my time is more valuable cause I don't often have time to play games. Loosing runes in elden ring and stream lined economics matters a lot. Time invested also. Devs ignoring the people complaining cause it's one guild is about as honest as telling someone their complaint isn't valid cause of the color of their skin. Deva have gotten gready and disgusting nearly across the board over the years. I may be a not good casual old school gamer, preferably... mostly. But this online and dev behavior is gross.
@@Ornithopter470 You weren't paying attention were you. They didn't care about the shooting part.
@@Ornithopter470 I don't know what most of the abbreviated stuff says or means. I never played the game. I did think it seemed interesting. Heck I think I own it just never got to it. I thought it was a big online star craft type game. But the behavior is still gross.
@@kingkarlito lol? how to say you are toxic person, without saying you are a toxic person - challenge completed.
I feel like the EVE Online Devs handled the playerbase like a group of DMs presiding over a massive LARP event that clearly had a pre-defined idea of how people were supposed to play and punished anyone who didn't play along severely, all while giving clear advantage to players that were probably personal friends.
Your problem was you got too good at the game, and instead of embracing it the Devs felt personally affronted you were ruining their game or some bullshit like that, so they just let everything bad that could happen to you happen, ignored any request your guild made, and put a low priority on issues reported by guild members. What a bunch of assholes.
Of course the devs have final say on how the game is "supposed" to be played. Who else? And it's totally possible for guilds to grow "too large" and start disrupting the game for other players.
@@DisgruntledDoomer They weren't disrupting it, though. They were literally carving out a sector of wild, lawless space they could live in without being harassed, *if* it was defended with military precision and strategy. Other players could just *go around* or have their fun in other sectors of the same lawless space. But the devs faked reports of earnings, removed the defensive options players had learned to use, and then just straight up ignored bug reports because it only affected this one group that preferred to live off the grid.
@@DisgruntledDoomer i mean the way he explained it they still could be invaded as long as the invaders spent enough time finding the right wormhole and thought it would be worth it...
never mind someone could have ratted them out/become a double agent etc etc..
so clearly the devs removing their only way of defence was a calculated and hostile move
i fkn hate this shit. always dm's with ego's as well. they don't understand they're the worst person for the job
Well said OP. I said in another post it reminds me of that one kid everyone knew when they were little who always had to win the pretend sword fights, DBZ battles, wizard duels, etc or he would throw a tantrum. "Nuh uh it didn't hit me because I have a force field" type thing. People got tired of walking on eggshells so they stopped playing with that kid
Only in this case it's worse. Instead of playing make believe with your friends where everyone has equal "power" to suggest what the "reality" is, devs are godlike entities within the context of the game world, they can summarily dictate what the reality is. It's a tacit expectation of players that devs will not abuse that power to benefit themselves in the game, especially in a game that is supposed to be a big sandbox with player driven storylines and politics. The whole point of which is to let players feel like they have a real impact on the game world just like if they were 7 again playing pretend with their friends.
I "won" EvE Online by quitting about 5 years ago. I remember all the deep null wars. I was there when Battleships were the largest ships in the game and our mining "ops" consisted of Apocs fitted to the brim with cargo expanders and mining laser II's. Best gaming time of my life, met a ton of great friends i keep in touch with randomly today, but damn do I NOT miss what EvE became later on.
Actual Devs working to hinder other alliances in the game through official patches was some of the most BS I'd ever seen. Sad to hear it kept happening.
Do you remember the introduction of tier 2 ships? Actual interceptors etc which insurance only covered the cost of the tier 1 version?
Roaming fleets of frigates were some of the best fun we had, that was a lot of fun going for a cruise through deep nullsec.
Wow. I remember those days.
@AnomalousEntropy i think a lot of people would argue that was fozzie sov. killed me when they nerfed blops accidentally alongside adding jump fatigue.
Pretty much the same thing with me.
I was mostly solo so I never really took part in any of the wars but I enjoyed the time when everything did everything much more than the meta of the more recent updates.
The biggest thing that kills EVE for me is the free skillpoints and free alts for multiboxers. At least when I started, gankers had to spend time to make accounts and train toons, now it's just 500k free skillpoints so making gank alts is a matter of nuisance.
Ahh the good old days of Eve. I remember when our alliance had to evacuate nullsec due to a pending invasion and quickly empty out high value items from the NPC station we had held. 50 Battleships all hauling the highest value stuff with me in the middle in an Iteron V stuffed to the brim with Nocxium. Felt like a tractor-trailer in the middle of a tank convoy. The alliance was under the impression my hauler was stuffed with top end loot. If there was a spy and enemies came for the evacuation, they wouldn't realize until it was too late they got the equivalent of tons of silver when the gold and gems got away. Awesome times.
"I can fight another player, I can even fight another players wallet. But I'm not gonna fight the Devs." That quote goes harder than I was ready for.
true, amazing bar that fly all over ccp dev's heads
Tf could he do lol? They control development, and support. So they get to sit inside their pretty offices making millions off of idiots who open up their wallet anytime something even remotely better drops, so losing a couple hundred players isnt going to ruin them. If the entire EVE playerbase would just stop spending money on the game, then the devs would actually care about the game and not pull an EA with Apex where they make it a shopping simulator with a side of buggy, broken, barely playable mess.
for real
Me thinking out loud: Maybe I should play EVE again
UA-cam algorithm: Now hold on a damn second!
Ark: Survival Evolved has exactly this issue, but with the publishers. People raid their tribe, then suddenly the server crashes, then reverts back to before the raid, except all the people who attacked the base were banned.
Shit like that is why I only play offline or with my buds
yeah getting my beautiful base foundation wiped by some chinese that duped massive amounts of c4 made me quit official servers
Only on certain servers like conquest cluster, where snailgames took over the dev support from wildcard, the rest of the game was at the end of official filled with hackers and dupers. But yea lots of youtubers were banned for raiding snailgames affiliated tribes
@@Spiney09 who wants to play 7 days to day hit me up lmao
Good ol TEA Tribe.
That blows my fucking mind. The fact that the devs out right said 'fuck um.' and fixed the issue once other players reported it. I'm glad you quit. That demonstrates a clear bias and favorability that the devs have towards people. Anyone who plays EvE should be aware of this that the devs have players they dislike and will actively ignore your legitimate concerns cause they just don't like you.
CCP doesn’t own Eve anymore and they have basically gotten their just desserts at this point with a game with 500 players and 2k alts.
@@Andrew-cs1td EVE made infinite money since launch, they don't care anymore about the game, just milkink the last bit
@@griffin5734 they aren’t a govt, they didn’t make infinite money. I guess I could see your point if you think isk is a real currency (it’s not).
He is lying. Making millions of ISK in EVE is not much. Making thousands of ISK is lower than you make in first hour of the game.
@@Andrew-cs1td CCP was a racist AF company. They were not the good guys ever.
TIL that @PirateSoftware is Maldavius.
Mal, the defence of the final Azbel under you and Alterari Phoenix will forever be THE BEST fight I've been in, and I've been in countless more fights since.
Thank you for everything you did for Stribog. Can I have your stuff?
Eve is such an interesting thing.
Best observed from a distance.
Many things are like that, but damn am I glad I never could afford to get involved with EVE. That is a blessing.
Wow, I haven't thought about that game in a long, long time. I remember when I was trying to get started as an eager new player, I learned the basics, cobbled together enough to get (what I thought was) a moderately decent ship outfitted... only to get blown up then podded by players camping outside the high-sec space gates the microsecond after I appeared. Over, and over, and over, over many days. I thought, "There must be more pleasant ways to bang my head against the wall than this..."
I guess I'm glad I never got into it. Most ex-players speak of it like grizzled Vietnam vets: "It was pure hell. I'll never be the same. But we had each other's backs, man."
The only way to win - is not to play.
@@Calamity_Jack I think being into a corp is a big factor in having the necessary power to have fun.
In my case, devoted weeks of my life to a corp (that had already an year of existence) that was growing and moving to a new, more dangerous sector.
Fast forward those weeks, after we grinded like mad for the corp, the founder says that we have a huge target on our backs and thus we are moving back, but he will arrange transport, so we should move all our holdings into the corp.
After days of logistics and everyone putting everything in, he reveals the snare, locks everyone out of everything, does a rug pull and leaves a message. In the end, it was an year-long planned rug pull so he could have enough wealth to be set for the rest of his game-life. After that me and other new players got kinda tired.
I tried playing for some days, having my own goals and everything, but it was not the same as playing with a group, and while i missed the group play, i was too burned out of the complexities, politics and danger that involves PvP between corps.
This is how I view it too. I love reading or listening to these grandiose stories of factions trying to hold space and betrayals from within and all that stuff. But talking to long term players and hearing stories like this really make me glad I don't put the amounts of time in needed to actually play.
“We thought that was just a stribog” problem is vile. Like they were deliberately giving you these handicaps
Nah, CCP saw Stribog as not playing the game how they wanted it played... which used to be something they celebrated.
They thought Stribog was making stuff up, scamming or just not understanding what was going on, so they ignored them... That was the vibe I got from it, but I was a wormholer. I was used to that attitude from CCP, it's just wormholes didn't have issues like that, the few that did exist CCP actually cared enough to fix.
A good example is when CCP was going to change a module to keep it from being exploited. It would have had SERIOUS consequences for us. They said they'd fix it "soon" and we rioted. There were a lot more wormholers than triglav enthusiasts, it took them something like 2 days to give us a module to fix the issue. But we knew damn well that if they'd put it off until later like they originally planned we'd have never seen it.
...you all remember why the CSM was even formed in the first place, right? The devs have played favorites with members of the playerbase for a very, very long time.
Hey Thor, Dread Pirate Steve here. I met you at Open Sauce 2024 briefly, you seemed like a super genuine dude.
Anyway, I wanted to add my experience to this, as I was involved in the Pochven burnination campaign while it was happening, on the defensive side but not actually in Stribog proper. If anything, Thor is downplaying the situation. You had a guild mostly active in US timezone being hit by multiple guilds simultaneously across all timezones. It was pure panic and incredibly unfair. Round the clock alarms as structures would get hit, and if we didnt defend against the 10 man crew of russians hitting the structure during their time zone, a group of 300 guys would be showing up later to finish it off. Most of stribog quit by the time the call was made to throw in the towel and burn what was left.
@@gabezerbe9092 Just trying to put emphasis on the sheer number and variety of groups that were brought to their doorstep.
@@DreadPirateSteve1 Come live in Detorid, thats how it is currently in the south east.
Are you THE DreadPirateSteve from MINC? 🤔
@@khronosvii no, that was my identical twin brother, whose name is also dread pirate steve. mom was a sick woman.
@@local9"WE CANT HAVE SHIT IN DETROID!"
literally felt like he was reciting some space fantasy lore, his guild literally fought the gods and burned a permanent scar in space. This is like some marathon shit.
Eve is just life experience, you go in an adolescent and come out a man, you put all your effort into something end up on a high, play high stakes only for it all to come crashing down and sometimes god just screws you anyway, by the time you're done, you're ready for the real world, lol.
@@123Andersonev What you're describing is gambling. That isn't being a man.
@@Ollybollyk life's a gamble kiddo.
CCP created a new area for content but also a new way of getting around the map. He wanted a monopoly on the area then got upset when it was opened to the rest of the player base to use as intended.
@@123Andersonev Not if you actually play your cards properly instead of trying for dumb luck every time.
I remember helping found Pochven years ago when we were taking the HS systems, we helped bring Raravoss to light and never got a chance due to IRL to take advantage of it, glad folks like you took to it the way my boys and I would've wanted, thanks for bringing this to life in a great way my man, loved the video.
"Please help us fix this bug that might take months"
"Ah yes, for helping us fix the dread bugs, we've awarded you a golden middle finger. One for every member of your guild!" :D
I played Eve Online like you but then I got an actual job, so I had to quit that one.
Haha, same
Felt this 😂
Same...
same here
Yep.. I had other things to do more important than school at that time..
Over the years I have heard about Eve and I think that I want to play it, but then i hear stories like this and it puts me off it again.
And when you do end up playing it, just for the hell of it, after 10 hrs of playing the game you reach a point to where you realize that your time is better spent doing something else or playing something else and never touch eve again, unless if you get sucked in to the addiction of enough time playing the game, as you tasted it once you could never get enough of it and its hard to stop.
Just try it, thor here is a massive manipulator. There's other sides to this story. He causes many problems
Exactly what happened to me!
For 5 years, I enjoyed Eve. Then I realized I had more fun when I was thinking about playing Eve, than I did actually playing it. So I stopped.
Eve has some nice novels. Maybe you could read those if you like the lore.
@@gs7828 Great suggestion! The novels are actually what got me to play the game. I particularly enjoyed The Empyrean Age.
@@hunara. Yeah that's great, I read that years ago.
amen
My friends and I had a saying back in the day that you reminded me of --
"It's more fun to talk about Skyrim, than it is to play Skyrim"
Same thing happened with Eve in 2021-2022
Eve Online just sounds exhausting.
It is, just read about the Battle of B-R5RB or the betrayal of the council of stellar management...
@@icematta6050 Betrayal? Singular? I guess it is on-going, because CSM is more or less just filled with the nullsec alliances.
@@icematta6050 can you do a tldr?
@@BRAZILIAN_MIKU shit ton of money and time invested into the battle, around 300k DLLs and the betrayal was one guy stealing 23k from a corporation (clan) through a clever maneuver...
The game can suck you in, but it comes at a cost.
I served with Thor during those final days, and he was the best Alliance leader I've seen in 18 years of playing Eve. The reputation factor is when I quit playing. I was stuck with negative Edencom standing, limiting my mobility in high-sec and now the whole reason I worked tirelessly to gain Trig standing was useless. The main reason I found Pochven engaging was it gave us a little sandbox to play in where you had to earn your way in (weeks of grinding standing, and real consequences for having it), couldn't build more structures (real consequences if they were lost), and capital engagements were highly limited. I hated getting hot dropped and prefer smaller ships for PVP. With one "minor" change, CCP destroyed all that made Pochven engaging for me and left me without the ability to fly in high-sec without grinding for a month or more (in space that was now open to everyone). I still pop into Eve every now and then, but it's never been the same for me.
The devs where straight up targeting the guild lol
They probably played in corps that fought against Stribog tbh
There were players on the dev team so it's not surprising
@@limegirl420 I mean it was obviously an actual bug since it was fixed after, and the fact the whole region had to burn it down and it still didn’t get fixed till others moved in is kinda whack
@@lumenx7499CCP didn’t want player structures there I’m guessing. The devs are always in control and they’ve been caught before… Like 5-10 major scandals and several in game wars to take out those who had devs assisting their own corp.
@GoBlueHTB you just used double negative and sarcasm - in the end stating she actually sounds unbiased.
Congrats
as someone who does enjoy EVE a lot but doesn't treat it as a second job, it pains me to hear this, that's absolute bullshit and at least a formal apology from the devs is in order
That will never happen. Eve is past dead point when people can reliably test and confirm bugs and they're ignored because they're not favored.
I am pretty sure this was weeks and months ago, so if we havent heard anything from them since then you can probably tell how little the care to do such apology at this point.
@@Deliveredmean42 Years. not months
It have been years,
I don't think they care
The devs of that game are trash.
Yup, I had a very similar experience playing Eve. We were fighting two separate alliances that were openly breaking the rules and abusing bugs in the game, and every time we reported it the devs simply told us that there was no proof that 200 people all logging in at the exact same time to crash your game so they could kill your ship while you reconnected was intentional on their part, or that maybe a Titan (they were rare at the time) operating 23 hours a day really was just one person, and not the account being shared between several, or that they simply couldn't do anything about people having somehow created safe spots inside of your system that couldn't be scanned for.
Awful developers, and it's not an uncommon story for former Eve players.
He's apparently hitting a nerve here, cesspit forums like reddit are raging about Thor existing or having any opinions. It wouldn't be the first time a dev team for a game ran the show for their buddies instead of their community, and the response to this is telling.
@@theultimateweeb4276 sure buddy. he has no reason to lie and has always shown receipts. go cry more
Well I got curious and went to the Eve sub, saw they said he's revising history in his story and linking to the proof.
@@QueeferSutherlands go goon somewhere else
Reddit is a disgusting parasitic wasteland, nothing credible to be found on there unless maybe some handyman type subs, everything else is politicized and disgusting and weird over there.
@@QueeferSutherlandsCouldn’t see comment but username checks out and is definitely a disgusting typical redditor anyways, deleted comment and everything lol. The all run away when you tell them they’re wrong. Nasty little insects the lot of them really.
That's sad, I love the idea of the economy that eve has, and the depth of "player made content", but the devs becoming antagonistic to specific players/factions and taking sides really puts a damper on that :/
The game had it's other issues which caused me to leave it years ago too. I hope the devs can learn from this incident, and specifically about the way players perceive their actions and how it affects the way we feel about their efforts.
I'm sure they won't if they willingly chose to be antagonistic
Experience says people don't change, and massive corporations even less so. Replacing whoever did that would be too much of a hassle.
I just hope to never see those devs working in another game, because i will not play it.
I have always wondered how many of the people who love EVE's economy hypocritically hate capitalism...
@@CristiNeagu Feel like there’s a pretty big difference in general between what people want in a game and what people want in life. GTA is the best selling video game in history yet I don’t think most people wake up wanting to rob people and steal cars.
Players have been fighting the Eve devs since they learned that CCP T20 was handing out T2 BPO's, back when they had raffles for them.
Had the opportunity to get into EvE during college in late 2000s. Was a bunch of older students who thought they were better than everyone else for playing the "grown up MMORPG" about super series spaceship economies. They told me how they would get calls in the middle of the night to login to defend their section of space. It was the sweatiest nolife stuff I had ever heard. Made my World Of Warcraft hardcore raiding look like a bunch of casuals. I'll take my "baby" MMO if it means I keep my sanity and actually get to enjoy myself instead of a second job.
Well said.
I TOTALLY understand why that would be an instant nope for most people, but I also understand how amazingly cool that sounds if you are a young guy who can afford that kind of time investment in a game?
Like, They're not playing a game any more, they are LITERALLY a space pilot, getting woken up by the intruder alarms and scrambled out into space with their wingmates to intercept the raiders? I can't pretend I don't on some level think that sounds AWESOME!
I totally get the appeal of a gaming experience that bleeds into your actual life like that.... even if the practicalities of my life are totally incompatible with it nowadays.
@@adamanonymous6885 That's why we unfortunately need AI for a simulated world. So you can pick it up from where you left it whenever you feel like it. For epic scale, longform games that require more than an afternoon, singleplayer is meta.
I've read so many litRPGs, and the MMO-themed ones are always the silliest. Where the MC is the central character the MMO revolves around, just packed full of things noone would ever want in a real multiplayer videogame: Busted overpowered unique classes only one person can ever get, while the unwashed masses have to suck rocks and be a permanent underclass with no hope of advancement. And of course every game would have a royal class of early nolife adapters.
I guess there's a reason the MMO fell out of favor. The novelty of playing a game with a chatroom attached wore off real fast. I'm over here wanting to talk about Ghostbusters, and everyone else is a utility zombie looking to make their numbers get bigger as quickly as possible. We are not aligned; other people are hell.
As another youtube comment guy once said, it used to be 'oh boy, I get to play with other people!' And then it became 'oh no, I have to play with other people...'
A ten-twenty minute battle game that condenses all that leveling into a much smaller span of time... I think it's kind of neat that the Arcade game has come back into favor.
Yeah, but I did get into some dope battles. Biggest I was in was around a 250 vs 250 player.
@@Coronus53 honestly those battles weren't fun for me. I found the most fun being fights of something between 20-40. Big enough to have logi but small enough that you could save people.
Biggest fight I even enjoyed was something around 150 pilots and it was more after I died and started hunting assets around the station containers (was defending against a wormhole eviction) I'd find enemies trying to reship off our loot, warp to that container, bubble them and then a few fellow corp mates would warp to the bubble to kill them... All the while the FC was directing the battle on comms and had no idea what was going on.
We had multiple battles on grid at some points and it was just absolutely beautiful chaos.
That is Eve to me. Not the organized N+1 fights but the chaos of what goes on around them.
Eve wasn’t a game, it was a job in a small town of scammers, run by scammers. The only way to win was to be on call all the time, like an EMT, and to have a crew you could trust. The problem is trustworthy people are also scammers, they just scam less often. In the very best case they would hide it until they wanted to get out, then they pulled their scam of a lifetime.
I don't think we've been paying the same game lmao
My experience as a new player last year:
Devoted weeks of my life to a corp (that had already an year of existence) that was growing and moving to a new, more dangerous sector.
Fast forward those weeks, after we grinded like mad for the corp, the founder says that we have a huge target on our backs and thus we are moving back, but he will arrange transport, so we should move all our holdings into the corp.
After days of logistics and everyone putting everything in, he reveals the snare, locks everyone out of everything, does a rug pull and leaves a message. In the end, it was an year-long planned rug pull so he could have enough wealth to be set for the rest of his game-life. After that me and other new players got kinda tired.
I tried playing for some days, having my own goals and everything, but it was not the same as playing with a group, and while i missed the group play, i was too burned out of the complexities, politics and danger that involves PvP between corps.
In other words EVE is the most realistic game ever made, lol.
you didn't make it past the tutorial did you?
Sounds very exhausting and ultimately... not fun. Guess "it's not for everyone" applies like hundredfold to EVE Online.
I'm happy you posted this. I seen it like a year back and was trying to find it so I could send it to a friend and couldn't find it anywhere.
One of the biggest turns offs of EVE is that it is marketed as the ultimate PVP sandbox, but the end, once you reach "The Zone" where everything makes sense and you've succeeded in building something that matters, you realize that the main conflicts in EVE aren't PVP, but Player vs CCP. The devs are a faction in the EVE metagame, for better or worse, and they are certainly *not* neutral regardless of how they may claim to be or may actually be trying to be.
Illuminati confirmed?
Lol, it's like a game about fighting God.
Does any game above a certain size have truly neutral devs/staff? I think there is a lesson about humans here. We tend to be factional, and politics encroach into everything (unfortunately).
Spoken like someone who has never played Eve.
@@Bobamawesome I did, and he's right. So now what? lol
After supplying and commanding many fleets in the off-peak times during that war, I settled in Kino, the system at the point opposite the side Stribog inhabited. During that first 2-3 months our income came from killing NPC ships that spawned on those wormholes. The NPCs in pochven were notoriously broken but were our only source of income besides the dreadsites. Then the devs later made a change that made the NPCs not fight unless there was a player there with them to save on server resourses WITHOUT FIXING ANY OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD. This broke them further, and this includes the NPCs in the dreadsites. From randomly deciding you're an enemy to "sleeping" until the first ship in their group is destroyed. Randomly becoming to an enemy to a triglavian fleet was a problem. Since retaliating in any way meant a significant hit to your standings and likely a loss of access to your space as you described.
As another player that has won EVE Online, I welcome you into the ranks of the nostalgic.
Ah, EVE Online, the 'game' that asks "Wouldn't you rather be back in your cubicle, or at least performing eerily similar, work-like activities during your free time?"
its basically white collar dead end office job with paychecks paid in "fun"... supposedly lmao....
I love people acting like they don't understand what roleplaying is.
There's fun to be had in eve too, but it's not for everyone
I tried getting into it once because of all the stories of piracy and politics. I still call it 'Windows Explorer - The Game' to this day
If you didn't use spreadsheets of one sort or another, you weren't really playing EvE.
I was a line member in Stribog at the time of the burning. It was hell, but it was also mid Covid and a lot of people had a lot of free time. At the time, it was a nightmare. People in the alliance who were still working were taking time off work to defend timers, real life relationships were suffering, much sleep deprivation was had. But I gotta say, looking back, those were probably some of the most incredible months of gaming I’ve experienced. This may just be the nostalgia glasses talking but social experiences and shared struggles like that in Eve makes the game feel like what every other MMO dreams of being. It is wasted on the shithead devs at CCP
Edit: also f*** off Maldavius
Well-said. EvE is not a traditional game, as it is the only MMO that was not created by gamers. There is no handholding or instant dopamine rewards every five seconds like the current games industry has become - it's one of the last games where your actions have consequences. The downside is that it can take a lot of commitment if you want to attempt empire building or player organization. It takes a lot of space work in the games mechanics to be successful in those things.
So in other words, you got a great, unique gaming experience in part due to the shittiness of the devs, who made the game?
LMAO and ya'll wonder why they do stuff like that...most MMO players are gluttonous for punishment, and if I was ever to make an MMO game, I'd do the same thing they do and exploit that fact for profit.
Because why not?
@@CouchCit you have the reading comprehension of a fruit fly. they specifically said that the experience was so valuable because of the people they played with, not the devs being dickheads and forcing them out of the game.
@@CouchCit Well look at Blizzard, they been abusing the players base since End of Wrath of the Lich King and still does it even now lol...
Well. Eve had a weird history in who owned it. They started out a small company. Then the bubble leading up to 2008 happened and a Icelandic billionaire bought them. Then the bubble burst and he lost everything. His share went to another hedge fund in the selloff. Who sold those to another hedge fund. And then Pearl Abyss bought them. Every time they got a new owner things got worse. By the time Thor was playing the game was basically done. All the big plans had crashed a decade before in one of the selloffs when the hedge funds demanded money to pay off the acquisition price.
The weird billionaire days were Eve's best. He didn't know what he was doing or demand anything and just bought things to own them. So the devs could actually spend the money they made on things. The game is a shadow of what it was. It's not in maintenance mode in the classic sense. But it's in maintenance mode. Has been for awhile.
Ah, EVE, I used to play that years ago. Until the Devs decided I was playing wrong. Me and some friends had a sweet setup with carrier logistics. We would load up our carriers with maxed out haulers and load them up with drone region drops and whisk them to empire low sec space. It worked great, we could haul something like 130k m3 each, and we could not be stopped because we were flying carriers and had maxed out the skills required, so if someone tried to intercept our cynosural pilot, congrats! You now have to deal with 3 fully kitted battle carriers. We charged 20,000 isk per m3 and we always had full loads, it was great. Then CCP decided we were playing wrong and make it so haulers stored in a carrier could only carry ammo, and then released jump freighters, which did what we were doing, but way, way shittier.
I think I'll have much more fun listening to EVE Online stories than I'll ever do actually playing it. EVE Online stories are amazing. Hearing what players go through while playing it is terrifying.
@@azkon7975 yes, and older stories are craziest. Like copying bookmarks for weeks just to warp to gates at 0km or that 10 hour login trap to kill a freighter.
True that. I'm thankful not to have invested more than a few months into the game. I could see the writing on the walls very clearly.
Unrelated question for @azkon7975 where is your profile image from? It's cool, reminds me a little of Rukia from Bleach.
Eve will always be one of the following 3 things:
You love it
You hate it
You love hearing stories from it
@@Riaining7 It's the moon child from Berserk, with custom coloring.
@@IceFire1800 totally agree. Every so often I miss it but I'll never go back.
There really is no game like it.
I quit EVE when one of the devs was caught passing rare ships to his friends, and nothing was done about it.
Looks like the developers didn't like the fact that players who were good at the game could be good at their game so they nerfed your ability to be good to give more players a chance to be artificially good.
Then when it was certain your guild could no longer rule they happened upon the ability to fix all the shit that was hindering you from being even better so other players could be better.
Shit devs. Shit game. Glad I never got involved with it.
Devs basically waited until Pirate's guild gave up and quit the game, then they moved in and fixed all the issues with that zone lmao What a buncha scumbags.... No wonder that game died out.
@sparda9060 it's funny how all of you are only saying that because you're riding Thors dick. Eve is alive and well unlike most mmos
@@sparda9060 the game has not "died out". Lots of ignorance about EVE in this comments section lol.
I made some research and found a Interview (uploaded 1 Month before thor send his quit message) where there talk about every problem (with 3 other people who agree to the Problems)
Now lets talk about the opening you talk about:
He ask for an easy access, not for free access. He didn´t got what he ask for and got screwd over because of it.
I found a bug report from june 2021 (his quit message to his guild in eve was: july 2021), so it looks like it didn´t got fixed months before he quits.
Even high-sec isn't safe. There's been a player-owned ore mafia for years who demands you to pay them money, and if you don't, they'll send in cheap destroyers and blow up your mining ship before CONCORD steps in and blows them up. If you build your mining ship to be tanky, they send in multiple destroyers.
I have never heard a single story about Eve Online that made me think "that sure sounds fun". Not one.
Every single story I've ever heard made me think "I would not play this game with someone else's money and time."
When a player becomes a dev these sort of things happen. You can fight a player, you can't fight a dev
You fight devs by not giving them your time or attention. It works quite well.
Its like when a game gives GM to a bully
Jesus. I’ve worked with contractors smoking weed vapes on federal property and this is still the most unprofessional job I’ve heard of. Sorry the community had to get fucked by the devs like that, absolutely repulsive behavior to their player base.
I use weed vapes at work as a treatment for clinical anxiety tbf. There are legitimate reasons to use one at work
@@RedshirtAfficionado there is no legitimate reason to be high at work. only thing that is an exception is if your job is testing weed vapes. (coming from a chronic weeder)
@@RedshirtAfficionadoyeah but you are not operating heavy equipment…. Or are you? 😂
@@RedshirtAfficionado naw you just sound like you needa man up
@@Bootchair No but they never said the contractors were either
Every time I think of playing EvE, I hop on, do some hi-sec bull, then I realize I was remembering my time from 2004-2009.
EVE Online became toxic as hell, and it didn’t start all rainbows and fluffy bunnies.
When they made it so you couldn’t reliably roll the WH portals closed and secure a WH, my crew gave up. Our 3 year occupation of a WH required a secure space to run our PVE fleet or we’d get easily ganked by PVP fit groups. Our play style was deemed “too defensive” by the devs, so they made WHs indefensible and our tactics failed. When you take away a team’s game, is it really surprising they stop playing what you think their game should be? Sandbox game my ass.
Seconded here. WH space was the last bastion of the small corporation. Now everywhere is reduced to cold hard numbers, as blobs of ships smash into each other.
Eve progressivly became less about building and growing as a group and having something you where proud of, to 3 day old characters ganking everything and spamming " EZ KILL". i left when the only defence vs ganking was to stay in station. played from 2004-2016, and it went from a lot of fun, to a lot of frustration. i miss it every now and then, but i just cant go back.
@@Caddoan I honestly quit after 2005-2015 over the CODE/James-315/Eroica Psycho-Torture Teamspeak phase due to a RL friend being permaganked by CODE-Psychos as a small Carebear corp CEO (mostly Missionrunning and some rare WH-(low tier) farming) - for giving some lip in allchat.
Dude had an IRL mental melt- and breakdown due to his marriage breaking up at that time, and the twats couldn't stop making him feel bad even in his one recluse from reality. GM's did "not see harrassment".
@@fj8264Devs actually encouraged the whole code stuff.
@@trouty7947 I know. Again, if it weren't for the thing with my RL buddy I likely would have ignored all the minerbumping carnage.
But him literally getting a meltdown IRL due to repeated small/targeted harrassment (which, ofc was never been ruled by GM's as "true" harrassment, but roleplay) changed my mind, and I left EVE for good.
Sad times.
You guys tried to make a memorable group in the playerbase and the d3vs sought to cripple you at every turn. Defo time for a new game
Jokes on the Devs, they made a memorable group.
And no game is like eve
@@Djsinane Maybe there shouldn't be if this is what it leads to.
0:59 can we get much higher
Yeah, sounds like they didn't like how you were playing their game. Double edged sword of an online service, it can go on for a long time, but then it's dependent on the people who make the money from it. And it didn't sound like you had many or any whales in your faction to make them reconsider.
@personguy8839 No, it sounds like the devs were petty assholes and wanted to punish them for not taking a huge risk on live servers to test shit
@@TaliaNonya for *not* taking a huge risk? from what I heard, they *had been* taking that huge risk repeatedly until stuff at least partially worked. However, once it did work, the devs didn't feel like giving recompense for the times where it didn't and were angry that [Thor's group] dared suggest they'd been owed a reward for their hard work in testing stuff in such a situation. It was only once the problem proved to affect not only their test group but others too that they even gave half a care.
@@deathZor42 When I was looking to get into the game, people were making highly optimized burn accounts to run at a larger cargo carrier, nuke it, get nuked by patrols before picking up all the good themselves on their main. Hard to say anything is safe with tactics like that.
@@Demortraive played eve off and on since 2018, why tf would you fly a cargo carrier in hisec? Do you mean freighter? Do you mean suicide ganking and CODE? Or whatever new corp theyre in now
I flew with you during the burning. now that the toon has been burned I can say that I was flying with horde at the same time. It wasn't just stribog reporting when seagulling was an issue. I called it my summer home during WWB2, was one of the few places I could go to get away from it. I hated that we had to burn the region but the constant fighting was hell.
Eve had a spot in my heart, but when they sold it, well, it's a zombie now, moving, but the life is gone and it's hurting people.
Eve Online has had many a controversy over its lifetime, like back in its early days when it was discovered that devs were actively corrupt within the game, god-moding things into existence etc.
And the player-made controversies too! Amazing game for player-made storytelling. It's beautiful, too. I used to really enjoy it
5000 hours of eve online here ... A friend that is no longer with us and I ran a corporation that made ammo, we didn't mind anything. What we would do is reprocess loot from the rats we would kill. We lived in Serpentis null and would belt rat. We could get the dreadnaught to spawn reliably and had friends in the area. My friend had the manufacturing skills and I geared for combat... Well CCP sent him a year in review mentioning he was "in the top 2% of manufacturing characters"... They proceeded with the tiercide updates and nerfed the shit out of what they deemed "gunmining" I still remember the update email... We quit soon after due to our wormhole dying as well... I still have 2.5 bil in a rorqual and an orca with all the characters, I wish I had his account. CCP are weird bastards
Those devs are anti-playerbase all around. Sorry about your experience and glad you at least made some memories before they took it all away.
That Rorqual and Orca of yours is worth a shitload more these days
The end of gun-mining, that takes me back a few years, like stopping the mineral compression in ship modules that made gameplay less tedious. Yes, they wanted to make mining more 'relevant' and it can be done with automated alt accounts, which all need to be paid for, and is some of the most mind-numbing content I've ever done in that game. I'm sure nerfing a player in-game profession that also boosted the company bottom line was just a coincidence.
On top of that they show the stats of all the people forced to mine to keep their corp viable and state the game is now in a healthier position and look at all the people having fun.
CCP has enjoyed a near monopolistic position in the space-mmo market, I hope scam-citizen is the competition they sorely need.
Haha, 2.5bil. That's funny.
The orca hull alone costs 2.5bil now. Your rorq, if fitted, would be worth over 10bil.
@@OBSIDEONSHOCKWAVE oh the 2.5 bil was just the invintory estimate across all the ships we had packed inot the hangars, all the ammo, the rorq is still decked out to the T and it was 9-13 bil at the time. the orca was full boosty so she was 2 bil+ as well. not counting the lachesis we had for the jumptarget and all the tier 3s and toys we had too... god i was sad when the orca reworks were a stealth nerf
I tried to get into Eve when you had to have yearly subscriptions.
No group would take me as a new player, and I would be constantly ganked and killed because I didnt know what I was doing wrong, and nobody would teach me the game. The game didnt have a tutorial, and everything was locked behind a real world time requirement.
Whatever big group game you go to next, I want in. You and the groups you make seem awesome.
and somehow the "because its eve" at 2:10 was not enough of an explanation to never download that franchise.
Franchise?
@@shadowofnoc5760 I download so many franchises every day, I'm running out of HD space!
@@shadowofnoc5760 There are other Eve games
"I thought that was just a stribog problem" come on man... (stribog taken from auto captions)
that is indeed the correct spelling
and that is the problem, because in essence what they are saying, is "because stribog reported it, we didn't care"
@@banaman7746 I think it's less that and more "We thought this alliance, who were extremely possessive of their space to the point no one gets in were being griefed, which is alright ( It's how you fight assymetric warfare in EVE basically ), but now we're aware that the griefing isn't limited to just that alliance and people are doing that shit to everyone else too."
Either way, if the system was set up in such a way in any other site, like DED's or WH's, it'd be patched, but clearly the devs had some ideas against Stribog, probably because they were peeved that most of playerbase were not getting access to this content they had worked to create. EVE devs aren't the best when it comes to dealing with player behaviour that doesn't match what they want. The first case for that is probably the dispersed endless gatecamp where devs literally spawned in assets to destroy player ships that were camping a gate to access part of the highsec, and after the camp reformed once the fighting stopped, they used developer access to disperse the camp by teleporting players to various parts of space, often hours if not days of travel away from the area.
So basically emergent player behaviour that doesn't match what the devs want for the game will get devs work against it, up to and including using devtools to force players into complying.
But it was indeed a pochven problem. If i have to hear about pochven again and their winging, im gonna go insane.
@@JarkurYaroslav doesn't matter. if your game is bugged, it's your job to fix it, especially when it's such a huge bug. so your saying next time you play and you encounter a game breaking bug, it's ok they completely ignore you because they happen to think you don't matter? because that's what your saying. they did it already, they can (and if comments here are to be believed) do it again.
07 I was a member of the Alliance It burns when I PVP, flying with Bishop Industries we spent many hours camping the gate at Mirotem, they discovered me looting the carcasses of their kills in my helios, and finally caught up with me and invited me into their corp for calling one of their shot callers a scoundrel. it ended up being the best times I had in EVE PVP ing all over low sec and Null sec. Worm hole space was pretty freaking terrifying for me, but I used Worn holes to jump from low into null sec where I did most of my Ratting. hence the name Rat keller which is a shout out to Eric Idle\s mockumentary called the Rutles.
The fact that despite the devs being so against you, but you still managed to hold until you simply gave up with a scorched earth policy is both impressive on your end and bloody incompetent on the devs end
That's... So absurd
Man, those devs be trippin
He's leaving out that the free money farm he and his group were doing was EXPLOITING lmfao. That's why the dev's slapped him down.
I observe you daily at random intervals through various streams. You, sir, are undeniably the best in numerous aspects. Your honesty and advocacy for the underdog across different domains are unparalleled, with no hint of elitism. Even though you could effortlessly outshine anyone who challenges you, you remain incredibly awesome. It may sound cliché, but I consider you a role model. Thank you for simply being yourself, sir.
I remember when this happened. Started offering my services as a "Rat Hunter" would just sit by the gates hunting the cloaked rats. It didnt pay well...but was honest work. Hate to see how you guys were treated by the Devs and havent touched Eve in years.
Best weapon against devs - "stop playing their game" EZWin
it's been up for 20 + years. too many people have way too much invested in game assets for it to die like that.
@@13christbanedid you not watch the video? If the devs act like that it’s only a matter of time.
@@asonofliberty3662 Devs have been acting like that for close to 10 years now, perhaps more. As long as there's at least 4000 people paying for the subscription in some capacity, the game won't die, and the people who do that probably will never quit as long as the game is up.
Same deal with Wow. People have been saying it's dead since WoD, yet wow is still here and Blizzard's biggest money machine still.
And here I was about to install and play EVE on my PC and phone. Seriously, I was looking for video reviews and this showed up... NOPE, not even gonna try it. Thanks for the video Pirate. Keep it up! :)
I played EVE as a kid sometime back in 2006~2008. I just liked flying around, mining stuff and thinking I was making good money (I wasn't.) I remember really liking it, but I couldn't afford a subscription and just kept making new accounts to play the free trial. Naturally, I didn't stick around after I ran out of email addresses to use.
It's so wild to hearing stories like this. I never could have imagined the game would eventually become what it is today.
Kid you was wise. You probably were one of the very rare players who actually had proper fun with the game.
@@ethanfreeman1106 Haha I wouldn't necessarily say I was "wise," just broke! I do remember having a lot of good, innocent fun with it though. It makes me sad that experience wasn't actually indicative of the rest of the game, haha
Eve is one of those games where the devs clearly have favorites, and if you are not one of them they don't give a damn what happens.
Even though I never played a day of EVE in my life (although I sometimes feel the urge to give it a shot), every now and then I find a story like this online, and it's always some of the most entertaining stories I hear in games.
I've never played EVE.
Guess it will stay that way.
5:55 It sounds like the devs thought you cried wolf too much and stopped listening instead of reviewing every request anonymously 🤔. Idk why they'd get to that conclusion, but people can be dumb sometimes.
He's leaving out that the free money farm he and his group were doing was EXPLOITING lmfao. That's why the dev's slapped him down.
I once considered playing EVE when I was a kid. I dropped the idea when I took a look at the community.
EVE Online, the 4chan of spreadsheets.
I quit when i took like a 5-6 month break, came back, and found out that I could NO LONGER fly 7-8 of my ships because they decided to change the skills required to fly them all. And we're talking like 3-4 months out from being able to fly just ONE of them. Think when I calculated it all, it would have taken me little over a year to fly ships I had been flying for YEARS with everything skill related already capped out.
There's no larger fuck you than just removing my ability to do something I had been for years, in some weird ass Pseudo-Attempt to get me to play longer. I fully uninstalled and didn't look back.
Dodged a bullet I would say. Had you stayed any longer you would've wasted even more of your time.
@@ethanfreeman1106 I did reinstall recently just to see if anyone I used to play with was still playing to reconnect, but yeah.
It's just a shame since the game used to be so good. From what I've gathered from videos YT recommends it's just filled with people with 40 tabs open using a program to have em all insta lock and fire at the press of a button lol, so the Player count is even more of a sham than it used to be when people just had 1-2 alts lol.
Which ships? Normally when they make changes like that you end up getting grandfathered into the skills required. I know that's how it worked with the Orca back in the day.
In the last 15 years I've been playing, I've never heard of them doing this. They've always either given the new skills for free to people that would need them for things they already had, or refunded already trained skills being taken away into skill points that can be freely allocated.
@@pluralkumquat I don't recall all of them as it was a lot of years ago. I believe two of the types in question were Covert Ops and transports though. I know transports for sure since I had just moved everything in it before taking the break as I knew it would be an extended one, and no longer had the skills required to fly it.
And I was on many of Bombing runs, and was no longer capable of running any when I came back.
I never played Eve but ive been loving the insane stories that come out of it
EvE Online = 25K players keep playing the game because they have invested so much time and money into the game that they don't want to lose it. That's the game. Literally.
"OMG we need new players"
*new player enters
"Oh hi new player! FUCK YOU!"
*new player uninstalls
What's the player count now? Is it really 25k?
@@Lionstrong yeah,sometimes in prime time even 30k
true
is this 25k Players or 25k accounts ?
@@Lionstrong It's more than likely much less than 25k due to rampant multi accounting, i'd wager its more like 12.5k to 17.5k. Perhaps less.
after all these years I have never heard anything good enough about eve to ever consider playing.
good things-big crazy space battles
bad things- literally everything else
actually the big space battles are lame. it's all about the smaller fights.
The first time you are in an Alliance battle is something else... but it can be as boring and adrenaline filled as anything. The largest battle I was in was a 3 way stand off between Huzzah, BOB, and another I can't remember. If memory serves it was several hundred players nearing 1,000 spread across 3 systems... This was in the early days of the dreads and motherships and they had the time dilation code in effect to support having that much there. It was slow but still responsive... but looking at the screen and seeing so many ships like stars in the sky was something else.... everyone was broken up into squads and fleets. I was in a Tier 2 Command ship Amarr called "Monkey Bars".
It CAN be fun with friends, just like any other game. When it gets serious, then this kinda stuff is just plain hurtful.
I always found the theory-crafting and testing insanely fun. But once you've 'solved' the problem and actually sit down and play it gets very stale. I mostly ran incursion and after i found the optimal way to run them on my own, i only lasted about two months before i quit.
It sucks that you went through all that. I'm currently taking a break from Eve, even if I don't return, it's a game that will always be near to my heart.
It's insane how the devs are super biased, if it doesn't help goonswarm they legitimately don't care, it's awful. I played the game for 15 years and also quit around the same time as Thor because the devs have broken every promise they made about monetization and continue to make the game unplayable for small blocks
I'm a bit sad I missed out on the fun that in retrospect being a Trig player would of been, was a cringe miner exploiting HS spod income at the time. But hey, I got paid to try and kill your Keepstar Thor when I was with my last alliance 😂
the game is very playable for small blocks lmao and I assure you the devs don't care about the goons more than anyone else
Goonswarm? Dude the CEO is literally in PL
@@Shoob__ ew caps.
@@lienshinice brigading you're doing here.
Glad to say I saw that thumbnail on stream
1 million views, hopefully 1 million people that will never play eve as a result
I started playing today.
being an EVE dev is like having a goose that lays golden eggs and putting it on a keto diet
CCP lost me when they botched 'Dust 514', They could have dominated the gaming world, but ignorance and greed won.
Yeah, that was an incredible concept.
I knew a kid who played Dust 514 and he was so sad that he could no longer get orbital strikes from EVE players.
Did the devs ever acknowledge the situation with how you all get screwed?
Watch the video, my dude. That is explained. You can do it, I believe in you!
But if you don't want to: They didn't acknowledge it and made it even worse.
Maybe they will now 😄
@@leoleo1035 They're asking about the end of the video you smartass! Did the devs acknowledge it after they fixed it for others? That's the screwing they were talking about. Read the comment, my dude. That is explained. I too can be a condescending prick for no reason!
@@Simons_Valere Yep, wouldn´t be surprised they sneak it in a half baked apology somewhere.
I wonder, if this goes (modestly) viral, what will they say for stitching it to Thor himself?
I have a popular meme with my brother, where we just treat "Can't" with Hubris, and Spite. The Spite and Hubris on display by burning that sector of space deserves respect.
I remember when this was happening, never heard anyone describe it like this, gives you a whole new point of view
I logged in a couple months ago, after years of not playing, to find all my assets flung into some kind of occupied wormhole space with no way back to Jita. I was confused. I was further confused by the archaic UI that I didn't remember how to use. I opened a ticket about it and a dev replied without understanding what I was saying at all. Then a second dev with more syllables in his title offered a "one time" move back to high sec. But then I realized that I really didn't care and never opened the game again.
your stuff got moved into pochven, that's the exact space Thor was talking about
Is Jita 4-4 still the hub for trade?
@@Lionstrong Boy, I wish I could go there and see.
Your high sec system got taken over by the trigs. They should've understood your petition and moved your assets, that's what they're supposed to do and ultimately they did offer to do that and you should've taken it. It was poor form by CCP to have trigs take over systems and not move dormant accounts to somewhere safe but I guess there is positives and negatives in doing that.
@@CyrilSneer123 They pointed out that it's very difficult to move ships into the region and my stuff might be very valuable. I am sitting on basically an entire fleet. I just didn't care. It killed my motivation to go back to a game I hadn't played in years.
This sounds like the worst time ever and idk how people play that shit
70% left
It is an amazing experience, but you need a lot of time... after some time the coin drops in your brain and you realize "wtf am i doing?"
For some it is the unbalance of the big coalitions destroying even low sec battles, for some the idiotic behavior of highsec gankers, the devs nerfing/buffing what they want... you get what i'm trying to say here right?
An old say in EvE: "Killmail goes up, Player count goes down"
@@Ythiro current faction warfare lowsec player here, I can guarantee you that any time a big alliance tries to show off in low they get shredded to bits, and those who might be able too are too scared to undock
Because what Thor described is not the experience of every player in the game. It was just his group, in a small section of the game, during a small specific timeframe.
The entire time this happened, me and my group for example were 0% affected by any of it, happily doing our thing in our different corner of space - along with 98% of the rest of the playerbase. EVE is immensely vast and varied.
They don't. steam says less than 5 thousand peak players.
As someone with thousands on thousands of hours living in WH space, this is the most painful EvE story I've ever heard.
You should talk to some of the Minmatar RP community about their feelings of developer interaction with the lore/RP side of things - in particular faction warfare and how long that went unabatedly busted. Will open your eyes to just how long the inherent biases have been going on.
Is there an actual place where this can be read about? Or a video that can be watched?
Minmatar militia here, you're 100%right on the lore, tho faction warfare got fixed few years back and is now the best gameplay loop imo
speaking of distance: they also decided to wreck k-space distances by connecting curse, metropolis, placid, and venal. and then got surprised when fraternity among others decided to use it to send battleship fleets easily across the map to the south east through curse
I feel your pain. As a former EVE Online player and Hi-Sec Carebear / Miner I have nothing but respect for you guys who went out in to Low-Sec to build an empire. I used to spend most of my time in Hi-Sec and Wormhole space trying to make a in game living which became tougher and tougher with the almost constant War Declarations. I cannot over state the corrosive effect of the War Decs on a corporation. We were forced in to spending time bouncing between alt characters just be able to get around. Living in a whormhole turned out to the best thing to do. CCP seemed to want a constant state of war to make things exciting.
I wound up leaving EVE due to what to my knowledge was the first anti "carebear" campaign... for those not in the know, a "carebear" was a player that staid in high security zones rather than risking losing what they had acquired in low to no security zones. So a rather sizable portion of the player base had decided that people like me and my friends were playing the game wrong and were going to invade in the zones in force to bully new players into playing their way...
A carebear is someone who cries at losing their ships. They don't want to lose anything, don't want to pvp, and will quit the game if they lose their starter frigate. Its really just a "big baby"
Being in high sec all the time is just part of it. 😂 it's really more about the "oooo I can't lose anything" mentality
Nono, the move is to hit them back for being nullsec-camping crabs that never leave their corp's space! Throw it right back at them.
lol good.
@BButcher-hg4nr "you're playing the game wrong stop having fun"
@@BButcher-hg4nruntil you pay my bills you can stfu
Thor the Feyenoord supporter
yeah, it baited me.
Same here 😂@@StefanvandenBergh
always get an ad for that game, "EVE Online... you're not ready for it." and I'm like "OK," *[Skip Ad]*