Read Trial Day 18 Part One: Higgins Phone Destruction + Minor Witnesses + ER Doc Describes Injuries
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My husband and I live in military housing so I do understand throwing big trash away on base (big dumpsters and won't be charged/get in trouble) BUT we would never take a normal load of trash. He used the word "cut thru the base" like it was a quicker route but then was using it to throw out trash? No one cuts thru a base. There are gate guards, low speed limits, and SF checking speed so no one speeds. There's no cutting thru, it's the slowest route you could ever take. He knew what he was doing taking it there.
💯💯 I hope there’s someone on the jury who’s been in a military family. The whole idea of “cutting through a military base” is ridiculous
This! Also wondering about surveillance 🤔 hard to believe he wasn’t captured on base cameras.
Otis is not a cut thru for anywhere lol the only gates that could cut some time (maybe) aren't open (or weren't last I was there)
@@Rae777I lived on a base and know this to be true. But I guarantee the jury knows it’s a very questionable story whether any of them have been on a base or not.
When he said that I had to rewind to make sure I heard it right.. you can’t just cut through a military base, he’s former military too he knows better .. I used to live near Ft Campbell getting on base isn’t a quick thing at all , and I’m also wondering if / where is the camera footage, there’s gotta be cameras all over that base . This case is just crazy .. so many butt dials , coincidences. No one has that many butt dials happen like these people claim
Have you ever heard a case where so many cell phones, houses, a dog and a basement completely remodeled in such a short time?
Everything about this is so strange.
How we got here is crazy. If you are to believe that KR is guilty, why are all the McCabes and Albert's getting new phones? Higgins, anew phone? This is just wild
And many many butt dials from multiple people in the same night. Like whatttt
I’ve never heard of so many butt dials !! Except for when we all had Nokias!!!
Those who have nothing to hide , HIDE NOTHING. 😮
“If I did that I would have done that” 😳🤨
That line stuck out to me as well. How can he not know how bad that sounds?
Yes. The OJ Simpson defense
None of these witnesses can give a straight answer! Makes them look bad.
Wait, they are saying that he got hit by a car hard enough to kill him, and break her tail light but he had no injuries below the neck? That's pretty hard to believe!
1. There ARE internal injuries.
2. His VISIBLE injuries are NOT consistent with a 25 mph rear-end accident.
3. I've seen the autopsy photos, and they are absolutely not consistent with being backed into.
4. The type of tail light plastic materials do NOT "shatter" so finding "several pieces" is not consistent with the specialists for that type of plastic.
5. He was 100% attacked by a dog as well as being severely beaten.
6. There was hardly ANY blood at the scene where his body was found.
7. The fact that NO ONE saw him out there meant was still in the basement at that time. A basement that was finished after the fact.
8. There's so much more that I can't even bring them all to words right now.
The state is reaching and throwing pasta at the wall, to see what will stick!
This case has been insane!
@@MamaPinks You're clearly more knowledgeable about this trial than I am, but what I have seen of it so far has looked terrible for the prosecution. It seems to me that there is reasonable doubt running all through this case! Lying, shady witnesses, destruction of evidence, witnesses tampering...and on and on.
@@MamaPinks you’ve got it definitely something fishy here. That tail light had a piece of metal pulled away from it. I believe he was beaten by somebody nobody was checked for injuries. The house wasn’t searched. The people in the house did not come out to inquire or to help there’s something wrong, what happened. They were all drinking way too much.
@@MamaPinks Thank you! The shattering of the tail light and the prosecution really pushing the narrative that a human body can do that to a tail light - especially of a newer vehicle - is so infuriating. I'm praying the defense has a Mona Lisa Vito level car expert for this point. Even with a crack in the light, it's _never_ going to end up in the condition it was in from colliding with a body.
Yes, yes that is what they expect us to believe. I have asked MANY doctors & nurses & they say “There has never ever been a human hit by a car that did not have SOME sort of lower body injuries (chest down) especially on the legs bc the bumper hits them first in most cases.”It’s RIDICULOUS!!!
I feel so terrible for John’s kids and his parents. They not only lost someone incredibly important and central to their lives, the local PD cared *so little* about the investigation into what happened to him that they screwed it up on almost every level imaginable.
Our whole town is a hot mess right now.
Also they lost the children's parents/ the child and child in law😔
Exactly. 😢
What exactly do you think the police did wrong?
I think Karen will be found not guilty. The saddest part is John O'Keefe's family ( which includes Karen) will never get justice because prosecutors rarely admit they prosecuted the wrong person and just close the case. The only hope they have is if the FBI expands their investigation they're already on.
@@bethmccrae2714There's so much that I'm not going to write it all down.
These defense attorneys! Wow. So impressed by their conviction ( meaning ..unshakable belief) for their client. IMO you could not have a better team to represent someone sitting in that court room.
agreed
Jackson has been sneaking in untrue comments with his questions. He has been so disrespectful, mean and rude, especially to Jen and Higgins. I hope the jury is able to sort through all the mud he is slinging to confuse them.
Yeah. When Jen denied all the phone records like Google searches, a series of calls to John , daughter’s life360 Data, answered calls to sister. When she changed testimony from
Karen saying she thought she hit him to she said she did hit him.
He should totally let that all stand and let the jury believe . She is such an honest good person. Just a bunch of butt dials!
@@barbaramay1866based on their theory they kinda have to be a bit aggressive to the conspirators framing their client. Right or wrong it’s their defense and they have to go all in with it.
@@dontmindme633 Yes, that's true and everyone deserves to have the best defense possible, but Jackson isn't really defending his client. He is persecuting all the witnesses as if THEY were all on trial. If any of the witnesses felt even a tiny smidgen of guilt about anything, they would have pled the 5th to not self-incriminate! Not one of them has done that. The defense's style is too sneaky and unethical. He is planting little seeds of reasonable doubt by asking ridiculous questions unrelated to the crime. At least in the case of Jen and Higgins, he was trying to make them angry and he did, but they both stood their ground and didn't flip out.
He tossed the cell phone away on a military base so that if it can be recovered they would need a federal warrant which might not be granted in a timely manner.
The feds are also investigating the handling of this case, that’s the other grand jury they keep referring to not by name because Bev ruled they can’t speak on it or bring it into evidence. That’s hoe the defense have access to so many text exchanges etc
OMG. The conspiracy theory grows like Pinocchio’s nose.
Was there any proof he even dumped it there… could have just said that.
Exactly !!!
@@mitch6969123 he did.
I was an emergency nurse almost 40 years. But as a private citizen. If there was commotion on my street & 6 first responders vehicles in front of my house. I would go outside!! The fact that Brian & Nicole Albert didn't go outside that early morning leaves me flabbergasted.🤷♀️RIP John O'Keefe.⚖️
One wonders why they didn't go outside
they were busy covering their "tracks".
Human instinct in a caring person, to go and see if you can help
And a cop lived across the street from the Albert’s.
Nobody went outside, not even the neighbours.
You’re the most diplomatic and kind lawyer on you tube. You always give grace and I appreciate your takes. Keep up the great work! Here’s to your continued success! Cheers🎉
So today Higgins said usually when he’s conducting an investigation he gets a court order for the phone but last week he literally acted like he knew nothing about about phones being a typical part of investigations lol. This is so comical.
This Higgins hunk is a joke on everyone
That’s not what I heard.
He’s made a real fool of himself. I wonder if the Albert and McCabe’s dump him now he’s served his purpose.
@@mariaskinnider115 you betcha!
He played dumb AF talking about not knowing exactly what an order of preservation re his phone entails. I’m not a cop and even I know you r not supposed to F with the data and select only what u want from the phone and delete or destroy the rest! Corruption
As a medical professional, this is not the kind of doctor you want to be involved in your care ESPECIALLY in an emergency situation.... The lack of a thorough documentation especially when a police officers shows up dead in your ER speaks volume...Just saying.
What care? Unfortunately Mr O’Keef was DOA. It’s not the place of the physician to carry out a legal examination, that’s the coroners job.
He has to document his injuries everything needs documented so you know nothing happened to evidence, the body, when transferring it to someone else’s care. etc. (CHAIN OF CUSTODY)
@@MissysAngels
That’s not true. That’s the coroners job. The job of a physician in the ER is to treat emergencies and save lives, they aren’t doing police work.
@@enigma_-_79 they write a report he even testified he wrote a report he just forgot to include things. What if an accident occurred while transferring the body, how would anyone know what happened… Every single person writes a report unless you live there… no one said a legal exam lol but you say John Doe arrived with these injuries and we did this and time of death was this… signed by dr.
They don't just see patients and that's the end lol. They document everything they did and saw.
The witnesses for the prosecution seem more like witnesses for the defense because they make the defendant look more innocent with each word they say ✅💯
Yeh I reckon that's the defence's theory is... just bring down all the Prosecution's witnesses.
Here is another problem….BOTH Brians did the same thing. On the same day. They both got new phones the day b4 the order.
Did yannetti mentioned it here about both did the same things
THERE WAS NO COURT ORDER. It was a motion filed by the defense about 1 year after John died, but the motion was denied. The witnesses did what normal people do with their cell phones every day. The defense is making it into something it’s not.
He didn’t, but I guess the defense is hoping that the jury is paying attention.
They were WARNED OBVIOUSLY
They were not required to even give up the phones anyway. So what exactly did they do? You'd still end up with the same amount of information as you do now with their phones🙄🤣
It's just a distraction from the defense.
This defense isn't proving she's not guilty they're just providing conspiracies to incept doubt.
At the very beginning Yannetti said this was an innocent accident, that Karen Loved John etc. not to mention, Karen reached out to David Yannetti a few hours after John was pronounced dead🤔 but you're focused on phones that were never being used🙄
How to unlock your phone in 2022 :
Nokia : pass number 😊
Samsung : finger print recognition 👍
iPhone : face recognition 👌
Witness of this case : butt recognition 🤯
Whatever smartphone they use , it must be the most advanced and one of it kinds😅
Well as far as Butt recognition? Jenn used her butt to call John 6 times that night according to her testimony. If you noticed Higgins kept saying "its how" he would get rid of his phone but he never really says that he did get rid of it so his dancing around that question makes me think he still got that phone hid somewhere.
@@Mooshkie50ablehe is not mentioning clearly cz he will perjure himself here he is dead in FBI case.. so he will not commit to it here
@Mooshkie50able he can't bare to part with his nudie pics
😂😂😂😂 most accurate description so far. I've been amazed at the amount of not only butt dials, but also butt answers!!! These Canton butts are made of differently I tell ya!! They have the ability to swipe past lock screens, passcodes, face recognition and fingerprint to dial and redial over and over without leaving a single voicemail.
B L O NK
I knew Yanetti would do well in the cross of Higgins but he was even more clear than Jackson. I think AJ was frustrated and angry by the end of Friday, so I appreciate how Yanetti approached this.
Yannetti does very clear cross.... Clear facts...AJ is great but he gets frustrated by this bunch going in circle never answering.. AJ ways is useful in making them look bad...yannetti does a proper factual law based cross
I actually think Yanetti is the clearest and most meticulous of them all and puts his points across the best so I am really enjoying his style of lawyering.
I also think that while being sometimes harsh they all are respectful to every witness and the whole process.
I live near Good Sam hospital and have been there many times, and there is not one competent doctor in the whole place, so his testimony was not surprising!!
Yikes 😳
Thanks for your experience. Where I live we have a few hospitals and each has diff reputations
Doctor know nothing didn’t help. How does an ER doc know the temperature of hypothermia?! If I was you I would steer clear.
LOL, you know about todays doctors then!
I loved the way the hemmed Higgins in by first stating, "I'm going to ask you a series of yes/no questions, ok?"
Also BA and BH went to NYC for a fallen Leo they didnt know..but BA couldn't walk out his front door for his Leo friend?
You embarrass yourself repeating this debunked theory. Brian Albert was asleep and then being interviewed by law enforcement. John was taken to the hospital
@@bethmccrae2714 any reasonable cop would have ran outside as soon as he woke up to see what is going on to his fellow friend and cop. zhis only reason for not going outside was he didn't want to disturb the crime scene. Not that the body was taken away.
@@bethmccrae2714 You embarrassed yourself. Theres no debunking here. Just facts.
@bethmccrae2714, Do you have a dog?? Their bedroom window was not far from where all the ambulance and police and a woman screaming. That German Shepard would have started barking. And two phone calls from Jen. None of that would have woken them up. Your embarrassing yourself.
@@bethmccrae2714 Brian & Colin & Higgins brought John to basement.John reported Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest- MOTIVE‼️Jen googled"How long to die in cold" 2:27&6.Autopsy show John was beaten to death, dog bites & hypothermia. You're embarrassing yourself 🤦♀️
Peter: your comments at the ~49:00 min mark: people really say those things about you? I hope you can just let that go. I’ve learned so much watching your channel these past 18 months and I appreciate you!
Many lawtubers carry that line a badge of honour. Like see I'm not biased both sides think I'm on the other side
I’m also shocked at people saying those type of things about him. I find him to be so fair, I like the way he shares his opinions and I like the way he hears out both sides.
He is being ethical and if others have a problem withthat they dont have to watch him! Your right he needs to not worry about what others think...
Poor John O’Keefe…with friends like this who needs enemies!!!
To quote Runkle of the Bailey, "with friends like these, you're going to need a lawyer" this is more like these horrible people.
That evil punk Colin
These people don't know how to be friends with anyone. They would seem to backstab anyone
That’s the saddest part after John’s family loosing him.
@@pjwood220 it's a soap opera, and not a fun one
Ex nurse here. Have treated numerous MVA surely we would see impact bruises at a minimum? The car has to have impacted his body at some location where they would be bruises. It feels like the doctor did not want to acknowledge this.
Thank you for your professional opinion. I'm no professional and feel there was very minimal notes, especially regarding the injuries he did have. Also, very suprised he called the injuries on JO arm scratches??? They are Cleary DEEP LACERATIONS, he could have notated the depth of them? Not any type of road rash scrapes/injuries.
I agree, he should be unbiased but he felt like he was leaning prosecution.
But we’ll get more information from the doctor who does the autopsy, right?
Agreed! I think they weren't thinking MVA, I don't think EMS reported that. Surely the ultrasound would've been brought to bedside to look for a belly of blood if they thought that. Part of the H's and T's, hemorrhage. In an MVA we would believe he might have internal bleeding for sure!
Of course you would look for signs that CAUSED the arrest, like internal bleeding, hypovolemia, penetrating injuries…. This MD is not a good example of a typical ER doctor IMHO, as an icu rn, I think the least he would have done is look up the criteria for his diagnosis of hypothermia! In my unit therapeutic hypothermia is a core temp less than or equal to 34 degrees Celsius, about 92 Fahrenheit.
@@cherylj7460 I'm sure they will bring the medical examiner, who is a pathologist on the stand but at the end of the day, they determined his cause of death, undetermined.
Yes the ER doctor was a strange dude. Also the forensic pathologist looked like he was going to have a panic attack...bless his heart I couldn't wait for him to be done😵💫
Yeah, for the second part, to be fair, not everyone is cut out for being a trial witness. In that job position, it's always a possibility, but that doesn't mean you're prepared for it.
Freaks
Imagine he had been told how to testify.
The ER doctor did not sound like a doctor?? He seemed “lost” on things he was trying to talk about.....
The interesting thing about these rumors that Proctor isn’t going to testify is - during a PTC, the defense was giving an oral argument I believe pertaining to the third party culpability. The judge asked a question about how the defense would be able to prove what they were saying and they said through Trooper Proctor himself and judge Bev said “what if the CW doesn’t call trooper proctor?” Which is a ridiculous question because he is the lead investigator, who wouldn’t call the lead investigator???? Yanetti said “then we’ll call trooper proctor”. His name is on both witness lists, so if the CW doesn’t call him, the defense will.
We supposed to believe BA + BH both just so happened to need new phones right around court order because their phones were just “too old and busted”. And believe the butt dials were just coincidence 😂
Don’t forget Allie too!
I have never had a butt dial. I don't even know how its possible unless you are a complete moron. EVERY time i get done doing something on my phone whether its talking texting looking at something on the internet, i hit my power button to make my screen go to sleep. The only way to then do anything on the phone after that is to hit the power button, swipe up and do my security pattern to wake the phone back up in order to use it. So there is no way that my butt is going to be able to do all of those steps and then on top of that dial someone's phone number. Don't most people have either a passcode security pattern fingerprint or eye scanner to unlock their phone? I don't know anyone who is able to just pick their phone up and its ready to use without any sort of movement to wake the phone up.
Lally stated that when you call someone from an iPhone,the clock starts counting the moment you press dial … WRONG
The clock begins its count the moment the call is answered.
That’s a fact
Plus all the calls ppl made but didn't remember making. Jen's butt able to make calls, hang up, and call multiple times again ...simply amazing.
@@ang3432and those mysterious butt dials were deleted.
I’ve had a lot of new phones over the years and I always put my sim card in to the new phone , who would want to lose all their stuff like photos and contacts etc ?? Disposing the phone on a military base ?? Very odd behavior to me that’s seems sketchy
Photos aren't saved on your sim card. That would be the SD card. The sim card is what is tied to your phone number and to the phone company you get service through. If you have service through Verizon then you have to have a Verizon sim card. Thats what they are talking about when phone companies ask you to switch providers and keep your existing phone and phone number. You just purchase a byop card (bring your own phone) and put it into your existing phone and have your phone number ported over to the new service provider. When you buy a new phone (upgrade) it comes with its own sim card. You usually just enter the phones imei number something similar to a serial number and it transfers your number over to the new phone.
Who gets rid of a phone and doesn’t keep their photos or anything unless they just want to get rid of EVERYTHING fast!!??
Right?
Exactly!
💯 💯
Cant phone records still be brought up even after destroying the phone or sim ?
@@sarakelly4922not what you texted someone. And not GPS data.
@@sarakelly4922 I've asked the same question! You would think so! But, there's been some bizarre things happening in this case!
Someone who knew they had key evidence which is compromising to their involvement and such evidence would be a clear indication of circumstances in the case which they don’t want
One of the first things you learn for emergency care is to not just pay attention to the injuries you can see but to check for other injuries. A broken femur can kill you. A broken rib can cause a lot of damage. Granted, they were dealing with severe hypothermia and, from what I understand, he had lost a lot of blood but you still want to know if there are other injuries. It is the whole concept behind doing a primary and secondary assessment.
And if he’s lost a lot of blood, where is it??? This whole case is insane!
@@ashleyd7780 it's in the red solo cups 😂
Exactly
@@ashleyd7780 and where did the blood come out if there were hardly any injuries except a few scratches?? I'm confused
@@bettywillbrowse officer O'Keffe had a 3" gash on the back of his head. He lost 3ltrs of blood. I was surprised the Dr didn't mention that.
Peter, you are always, always unbiased. You see things and call them out how they are. You are an experienced attorney. You have been through the trenches and have a lot more knowledge than some of the “keyboard warriors“. Much appreciated for all your efforts and Analysis on each and every case that you cover. Thank you kindly.
If he’s not hiding anything why not throw the phone in his own garbage???
Exactly he knew cops couldn’t get on base to search
Probably he had porn.
Because he IS hiding.....ALOT
He didnt have trash pickup at his address he said. He is former military and was getting gas there why not take the trash there ?
@@calmingwavesx well first of all.. it's illegal. Secondly, it's extremely sketchy and you know he did it just so no one could retrieve it
i still have my beeper from highschool in the 90s👵🏼 sadly i’ve lost alot of faith in ER staff when i went to the emergency room with a migraine when I started to lose my vision. The nurses didn’t take me seriously and left me alone in a room for six hours. I had a total of three strokes that night and never regained my lost vision. 😮
I'm so sorry. I hope you sued.
Omg! I’m so sorry,that is horrifying. I really hope you were able to sue the hospital. Most of the time they’re required to do vitals check every hour. God bless you dear heart ❤️ 🙏🏻
My biggest problem with this case is John's injuries. He had no broken bones below his neck and he was not run over lying down so...? That is the question not answered so far.
I need answers to his arm. Those are more then just scratches.
@yaraali8519 Don't they look like a dog bite him and he pulled his arm away? I had a dog do that defending her puppies, totally my fault, but it looked like that picture.
J O'K v drunk. No jacket in a blizzard. Could've hit something else after K left and found himself in the snow incapacitated. Just saying...??
@@brendaplunkett8659The new conspiracy is they are now dog SCRATCHES. Not bites because DNA proved otherwise.
My dad got hit by a car going 35+ mph and had a huge head gash and some scrapes and that was all. No broken bones or nothing. And he hit the windshield. Similar to hitting a tail light.
@@kerri-lynbryant293 And nobody leaving that house saw him on the ground?
I'm sorry but you don't need to get rid of your phone to change your number. I don't know why they didn't bring that up. I thought BH reasoning was a joke.
Not only that, he changed his phone carrier too. He could have bought the newest phone model and changed the number and still kept his carrier........Hmmmmm Well
@@lesliefortie8347He could have changed everything , but kept his data . Destroying all of his data , including contacts and previous communications is unbelievable.
Looking better and better for Karen Read!
Yes!!!!
What does changing a phone number have to do with getting rid of the device? You can change numbers and keep the device, and you can keep the same number and get a new device. These are independent of each other and that makes zero sense as a reason to destroy the phone itself.
Boy, I wonder what reason he would have to destroy a phone and a sim… 🤔
He was paranoid about what could ever be recovered, EVER!
It doesn’t make sense if you don’t have anything to hide. This circle of people is up to their eyeballs in deceit and one of them is going to trip up and say something that unravels it all for all of them. Too many balls to keep up in the air
Peter, thank you for keeping us updated on this trial and providing us with a balanced and unbiased discussion of the testimonies and evidence being presented. 💗 I appreciate it immensely and I have and continue to learn so much from your livestreams and videos. I look forward to part 2 tomorrow. 💞
You are my favorite way to watch this trial. It’s the best way and is the more understandable way.
Ignore the negative Nellie’s. You are a man of integrity and 99% of us love and appreciate that about you and your show.
The ER doctor was strange AF! He didn't have to be effusive but his unwillingness to answer questions for the defense was readily apparent. Even more so because he should be completely neutral. Sir, the one thing he does remember doesn't exist!?!? And his explanation of why he may have not noticed any additional injuries - before or AFTER life saving measures you would have noticed other major injuries even if they weren't a focus.
I came in knowing nothing but people who should be neutral being very strange makes the conspiracy more and more likely. And I am unusually extremely sceptical of such theories. If neutral witnesses were neutral, like the vet lab tech, they would be much more believable.
Strange doctor to not look for other injuries !
Doctors try to say next to nothing.To many lawsuits. Try working in an Emergency Room This was a Code Blue
Not if the goal is to save his life 1st. I'm pro KR, but working in the Medical field myself, his 1st job is saving OJO life.
ASD?
The backfire question-
Because Albert did nothing at all, even knowing they were all out there.
I know it's melodramatic, but how do a few of those folks live with themselves, knowing that a guy was left for dead on the lawn?
(So much for my not wanting to be one of those Nancy Grace banshee types shrieking about injustice.)
Yes the cops were all first aid trained yet they didn't help It was Karen who tried to breathe life into John
@@mandyrayner783 And with all that commotion on their front lawn, they never stepped out, until Jen (who searched how to die in the cold at 2 am, and "butt dialed" John several times) went it through the unlocked front door to wake them up. The investigators should have at least inspected that residence and their phones, but nope, it was their pal doing the investigation and only focused on Ms Read.
Brian A testified that he simply did not hear anything, yet we've heard multiple testimonies that Karen was screaming hysterically AND the Alberts had their dog, which was according to them very bad with strangers, in the bedroom there with them. I call BS.
Your neutrality is the reason I like your channel so much.
I’m always so impressed by this attorney’s humanity, grace, and warmth. At the risk of sounding downright parasocial, he really seems to have a wonderful disposition!
I'm surprised anyone has any negative comments about you. Your professionalism and balanced coverage of this trial is why I tuned in. There's another lawyer who used to cover trials who got arrested for cocaine and child neglect the other day! It's nice to watch a normal, professional lawyer cover these things without a bunch of drama.
Higgins looks incredibly guilty now.
Disagree. No way did he leave John out in the cold to die alone. The defense promised us fireworks but they failed miserably
The defense hasn't even put on their case yet, so how have they failed?
@@bethmccrae2714Beth you obviously believe in Karen’s guilt . You are entitled to your views . I am almost certain , so far , that she is innocent . I do think that the State witnesses have told lies .
@@bethmccrae2714The Defense has not even put on their case yet lol !! Although they’ve turned every commonwealth witness into their own it certainly seems like it’s theirs 😂😂😂😂 This is crazy beyond
Yes he does look very guilty and Brian Albert looked beyond belief guilty!
My grandfather was a Detroit Police Officer and he kept every small note pad he used on the job. This was before cell phones. If he had lived during cell phones and other modern devices, he would have kept e ery one of those. He told me that you never know when it may come back up and cops are lying if they claim to rember every detail from cases weeks, months and years ago. Some catch bad people and some help innocent people.
I think this guy is just not a smart person. He has been following the orders of the FBI agent on the lawn of whom the murder happened.
@@oliokioliI thought that Brian Albert was police ?
Yes, and there were no notes taken during this entire investigation, crazy!
Yeah I have seen police years ago carry a pad and write down all their notes and who they spoke with for the the police report etc. Police in my DV case dropped the ball though and never recorded the things I told them or what perpetraotor did, leaving the court to believe certain instances did not happen! Im glad for those chest cams now!!!
@@glynn2023 I am so sorry that was d9ne to you. It was wrong, against proceduce too.
This has been my guilty pleasure after work, drama and wine. Keeping my notes
Same !! I started a new notebook when the trial started at this rate I’m going to need a couple more at the rate Lally is going with his what if anything kind of sort of did you see if anything word salad questions 🤣🤣
I must say something. He was 80 degrees. Yet he’d been laying out in the cold snow, dead for 6 hours? How? Wouldn’t he have been much colder if the CW’s theory was indeed true?
He might have died just an hour before they found him. 🤷🏻♀️
I’m glad he made Higgins answer yes or no.
He has access to the military base. That does not give permission to use govt services for personal use.
How did we get this far! Everyone is So sketchy, even the Dr!,
I find this whole destruction of the phone thing suspect. When I upgrade my phone to a new phone, I trade my old phone in for a credit. I mean, who wouldn't. Everything gets moved over with smart switch, then the phone is reset to factory, remove the sim card and send the old phone in to my provider for credit. There is no reason to 'destroy' the old phone.
I have never trusted that it’s completely gone.
Exactly!!!
@@lauraramsey905keep your SIM card.
@@lauraramsey905keep your SIM card🤦🏼♀️hellloooo
Sorry but every time the judge says in a jovial tone “Alright Mr Higgins, you’re all set!!” I want to scream!!!
She's always so excited to say that, lol.
She's such a weirdo.
You're all set to lie, you big ol hunk o man.....groan
Says a lot more about you than her. 😅
What a horrible thing to say. She should be arrested.😵💫😵💫🤣😂
Really winds me up when people are rude to you and EDB as you are both always fair and speak about the law. Keep doing what you’re doing because the vast majority really appreciate you. ❤
This case is crazy
I can’t begin to imagine how the BK trial will unfold 😬
This case took a turn! Who goes to a military base to destroy their phone, the night before an order. Just like BA! Whom he apparently played butt dial with!! 👀
I heard Canton doesn't have trash pick-up
This. So sketchy
@@InLieuTube Oh, so he turned it over? I must've missed that part.
That's not true @@sabrinat1621 Canton has trash pickup.. I think he has property down the Cape that he probably didn't pay for the trash removal bc he wasn't there much (not sure why)but they have the option..
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Youre the best on youtube breaking this down 💪
Agreed!
Thank you for your professionalism. There are a lot of ppl listening to your insight due to your profession. Please note that more of us appreciate you than the selective few who seem to be super negative about your opinions.
The 4500 Ingress egress logs were for the entire station, the point here is on his supposed day off he had 18 different ingress and egress points
Rewatch crew here. Emergency Dr. is acting like a jerk!! I was an emergency nurse almost 40 years. I know they can be jerks.😡
I bet his bedside manner is even worse. Weirdo MD!
@@carrollherzog3313 A few Doctors I worked with. Were very intelligent, but lacked social skills.😅
I am a nurse and I thought the ED doc was a terrible witness. Really he didn’t know the definition of hypothermia.
I just want to say, Peter, that i really admire your ethical approach to law and what you do here on this channel. If more people held these values and outlook on people in general, being fair and honest, we’d be in a much better place. God bless you and hope you enjoy continued success. 😊
If the defence is doing this well with the pros. witnesses, I can’t wait to see what they can bring out with their own witnesses.
Rewatch crew: love your commentary. Lawyers have to be great listeners as well as clear communicators - I missed the nuances of BH’s answers. Thanks so much for this balanced coverage!
I find it hard to believe Lalley and the CW really needed John’s niece & nephew to testify. These poor kids have been through enough trauma to last 4 lifetimes. They knew nothing about what happened that night. I’m really upset that they had to be through testifying and the niece seems like she’s been swayed by Jen McCabe
Re neice- or it could be the truth and she was not swayed by Jen.
@@marlbboro8091 Albert says what?
100% it emphasizes that BA didn’t even go out to see what was happening with JO - or at least to comfort his friends!
No. When he first looked out the window he had NO IDEA that his friend had been killed and only saw a police car or two. It wasn’t his place to interfere with whatever they were doing. Later on, they were all together comforting each other.
Am I the only person who thinks it's really odd to just toss a cellphone in the trash...?
Definitely! Besides all the trial concerns, phones contain recyclable materials. There are also many organizations who collect them for reuse for those who need them.
Just like Proctor said “NOPE!”
Call me crazy, but I still have a couple older phones lying around. I don't even trade them in, thinking I ight need to get something from them. And I'm not in law enforcement
That’s you. I destroy mine. Who needs the clutter?
Even if it’s broken I keep it…
Please tell me that the ATF has fired this guy?
He's been reassigned to a desk
Probably not.
Why would he be fired? For being a witness? For not recognizing Fed Rule 4556 subsection 49876.22b as something he should have known? He didn’t even use that machine for “personal gain” as Jackson kept blabbering about. He used it to help in a police investigation. Maybe he should be fired for throwing his trash out at the base. C’mon people. He didn’t do anything wrong.
These guys aren’t just witnesses they are officers or former officers of the law!!
And they went to NYC for a funeral for a cop they didn’t even know but act like they could care less when talking about out John
Yet a few here seem to believe that this entitles them to free rein sans consequences for their actions in a criminal investigation.
Fwiw, not saying it rises to a conspiracy, but it reminds me of small town/deep south LE behaviors. (Feeling naively disappointed at how flagrant their lies are.)
They are nothing but dirty cops 🤮🤮🤮
The doctor said he would have been focused on life saving measures, not x--rays, yet they did note scratches
That’s understandable. Mr O’Keef was DOA. ERs are usually extremely busy. Saving lives is the priority.
When Brain Higgins said “it’s my right” to get rid of the phone made me grinch
you should always recycle your old phones/electronics. they are full of toxic metals that shouldn't go in the landfill or else they leak into groundwater. (domestic violence shelters also have programs to donate old phones so they can give them to people trapped in violent homes.)
Correct.
Bring on the experts!
It reminds me of OJ Simpson. "If I Did It..."
Didn’t one of the defense attorneys get OJ off ?
@@Brooke2000OJ was the defendant. This guy isn’t the defendant.
@Aunt_Betty my point is just hiw often he kept saying, "If I..."
@@corrinnajordan2749 yes, noted. My comment was in reply to Brooke2000
How can a car hit you on the head only without any injuries to any other part of the body? Unless he bent down and she hit him straight in the head, but I would assume he would have had much more significant head trauma than the one reported and not only confined to the head but to the neck region as well due to the force? It’s so bizarre.
Also, I wonder what else Higgins discarded in the military base trash? Doesn’t he have garbage can in his home? Something is not right here
16:36
"If I did that."
Give me a phucking BREAK! You either did that or not! I don't trust ANYTHING coming from Higgins' mouth! 🙄🙄
Reminds me of Oj’s book
He was being as honest as he could. Just like Jen, people think he is arrogant when all he is doing is trying not to have his words twisted by the defense.
I thought the same thing about today’s witness. He’s the first person who answered the obviously correct questions as them being correct. It was refreshing to not get fed a shit sandwich and be told it’s filet mignon.
You are not allowed to throw trash away on a military base you don’t live on.
Veterans have access to stores on bases. Garbage cans everywhere..
@@dariansoennichsen5751I can’t tell if this is serious or not but putting small items in public garbage cans that are in stores and on sidewalks is not the same as using big dumpsters. That’s considered theft of services.
Edit: I’m not talking about any of you who have innocently thrown stuff away on a military base. I’m guessing y’all weren’t illegally destroying evidence that you were involved in a murder so of course you weren’t noticeable. Your anecdotal experiences on Military bases don’t disprove that if you are noticeably being a weirdo like I’m sure BH was, it has a higher likelihood of being noticed on base than off base since you’re surrounded by people trained to be alert to potentially dangerous shit. It’s a complete straw man to make it seem like I’m saying there is an MP sitting and watching every garbage can on base. ??? There are a lot of laws on the books that are largely ignored until you give people a reason not to. Did none of you hear about Taylor Rose Williams? If not she was killed by her mom Navy Petty Officer Brianna Williams, and investigators emptied all the neighborhood garbage cans and even the whole garbage truck that had been on her street, solely because of how suspicious her mom was. And it turned out her mom did kill her.
@@sammurphhhhHH same thing. I was stationed in San Diego, never saw anyone get in trouble for throwing anything in the many garbage cans or dumpsters around. Nor was any SP sitting there policing them. It would've been very helpful to know exactly where the dumpster was. Outside COs office? Maybe a problem. Outside the Exchange or carwash? Nobody gives a hoot.
@@dariansoennichsen5751 He used at least two dumpsters, to throw out his “trash” separately…
Umm they don’t have a guard watching every trash can on military bases so this is not true. My friend is in the navy and goes to the air force base all the time to go to the commissary.. I can get on the base with just my ID when I’m with her. Never has anybody stopped me from throwing trash in a trash can or even watched me throw away trash EVER . Be for real ! 😂
Lawyer You Know, Your videos are fantastic! I just had to subscribe!
Higgin's father passed in 2020, but he destroyed the phone and didn't keep any texts, pictures, videos, or anything from his father? Nobody does that.
Brian Higgins' "if I had I would have" reminds me so much of the OJ Simpson "in the hypothetical " interview!
The fear of getting rid of his phone number was far outweighed by the fear of possible exposure to more than just texting Albert. My mind goes to dark places
SAME HERE!!!
And all those nudies on his phone...THAT'S the main reason
I am confused how anyone can think she is guilty and i have kept an open mind
You dont get 2 black eyes when hit by a vehicle 🤔
Tee hee! “Are you familiar with the term ’consciousness of guilt’ “? 😂 Why did Judge Bev sustain that one??
Possibly argumentative?
I think it’s argument or calls for a legal conclusion!
Because the judge is definitely partial to the commonwealth!! That was a fair question!!😊
Because it is inappropriate to put that in the minds of the jury for no reason! Looks like he fooled you! Now you think the Judge sustained the question for nefarious reasons! The defense’s trickery is taking hold!
Lawyer You Know, Subscribed because your videos are always awesome!
Not just his phone all others phones also
If he was recieving calls from people he’s investigating...Why weren’t they charged like TB..?
Peter say free dumpsters 😂😂 man I bust out laughing … right it’s not normal to just drive to a military base to throw away trash … weird … he should be fined by the base that’s trespassing …
1 Shady 👮♀️+ 2 Shady 👮♂️s + 3 Shady 👮🏻s = Free Karen
In other words, everyone is lying about everything except Karen Read. That would include 30 or more people from all walks of life, children and adults alike, some who barely know others in that group! They all got together and planned this big coverup and all sworn to secrecy and all rehearsed so their stories would match up, and not one of them had enough of a conscience to notify law enforcement of the truth? Why anyone can believe such a convoluted story is beyond me. What makes Karen Read so special that everyone believes her and the turtle? If she gets off because of the defense’s Kool-aid, it would be so horrible for John and his friends and family to not see justice being served.
I would hate to be on this jury .. from how long it has been stretched out.
I’m getting tired of watching it…I can’t imagine how they feel !
May I ask you what decision you would have on this trial as a jury?
Listening to Lalley ask the same 1,000 word questions over and over showing no evidence of Karen hitting John at all .. I’ve learned that it snowed , everyone drank and then drove , a lot of people got rid of their phones, dog, houses and the McAlberts are very defensive and bad liars . I’d be going nuts if I was on the jury
It is ridiculous that this poor jury is stuck with many no days and half days and even shorter . There seem to be many breaks and surely this trial should have had a block of weeks locked off .
@@stephanieperri7747
The investigation took 2.5 years to get to trial. I wouldn’t stop my life because Karen Read got charged with murder.
Those of us who watch your channel everyday know how far you are! Please don't let this trial bring you down because of all the naysayers . Your teaching so many people how to stay unbiased and that's what matters! Thank you for everything you do
I was also shocked how much Higgins refused to follow directions yes or no, but continued to go on and on.
I’ve never seen a doctor testify with so many ums, ahs and pauses and insecurity as Rice
Embarrassing
always thought karen guiltybut when the FBI guy said hethrew the phone away at a military base bin my ears stood up????? who does that. if he was not guilty of anything but flirting, why destroy the phone. he could have kept it to shownhe had nothing to hide.
Exactly!!!
There are 30 other things just as bad or even worse than this. This is why so many people are on K.Reads side. It’s ridiculous.
Peter, you’re amazing!! You are NEVER biased!! I wish all attorneys were like you.
The ER doctor is trying to back his friends in EMS! He should be reported to the medical board. Total misrepresentation of what we do in the medical profession.
So frustrating... his testimony
I’ve been a FF/PM for 25 years and worked as a PM in a Level 2 Trauma Center as a side job for 16 of those. The Dr’s testimony caused me concern.
At this point I'm going to say there was be no way I would live in Canton,Ma...what a shit show
I’m very very concerned as a fellow professional. I would never ever speak to a rumor or a suspicion I had and did not state in my notes!
Yes!!!
Thank you for standing firm with your morals and integrity!
The point of the key card data was to show he accessed the sally port around the same time KR's car was brought in. And to show he was at the police station on his day off. Probably getting info on the investigation.
Even the Dr is super sketchy .. I wouldn’t trust him to take care of a fish let alone myself or my family . He was so incompetent he made the defense attorney go through all these body parts and it just made it look even worse that we are at this point with SO MUCH reasonable doubt
That was defense trickery. As IF any doctor would recite ALL body parts not injured. No doctor does that!
@@barbaramay1866 of course no doctor would say anything like that in their report, but that wasn't what he was being asked.
He didn't want to confirm that he didn't make any other notes of injuries, because not making other notes can be inferred that there were not any other injuries otherwise he would have noted said injuries.
I don't think it was him being incompetent, but rather it was him being evasive about it. So she had to ask in a way that he had no choice but to say yes to there being no other notes of injury because that was the truth.
I wouldn't call it trickery, it's literally just a rephrase of the same question asking if he either did or he didn't.
For whatever reason he didn't want to say that he didn't even though that was the truth. It was very sketch on his part to not just answer the question being asked because he's just someone who just happened to be the doctor working that night & isn't involved otherwise.
Maybe he is worried he'll appear as if his notes aren't through & complete - either way it was strange and awkward the way he avoided questions. He walked himself into a corner and had to answer straightforwardly which made it appear like he was trying to hide the answer originally, which just isn't a good look. It came off almost as unprofessional when everything he's testifying to should be easy to answer. He's also not giving an opinion like an expert witness would so maybe he's just not used to testifying.
@@sarab548 In order to testify as an expert witness, he has to be qualified as one in court. Yes, I agree he didn't seem to have much experience in the courtroom! I am waiting to hear what the medical examiner has to say and what the autopsy showed.
The ED doc is piece of work.
To say the judge is biased is an understatement, she's a filthy judge! She's definitely on the take!
I've Nick named her Judge Sustained lol
I dont think it was murder but I feel a fight broke out and John got seriously injured
The group put him unconscious into the basement They decided too many questions would come careers at risk etc So they chose to deny John medical assistance they dragged him down onto the lawn edge one shoe flipped off.
A proper search would have found that shoe
As they placed him on his back No recovery position they forget he had his phone Thats why Jen was ringing John's phone several times trying to locate it
@mandyrayner783 indeed, judge sustained specifically reserved for the defense without conscience! How do these people sleep at night?
She’s DISPICABLE …it’s scary that such extreme BIAS is so blatantly OBVIOUS 😣
NO ONE would EVER be that cruel to their brother in blue or to anyone, especially these good people. It is absolutely absurd.
He purposely destroyed his Sim card and threw his phone on a military base. He knew better, he is a Fed. Agent!
Hahaa he’s like IF I were to remove the SIM card, it would be like that. He’s giving off OJ Simpson vibes!!
I want to know if Higgins was on a case would he EVER treat evidence like this??? No way!!!!
This is so disturbing!! It makes me disgusted that this behavior, lying and deceit is happening by police officer, federal agents, etc!
Agreed, he’s purposely trying to distance himself & only extrapolated the few messages with Karen Read. Coincidence, I think not. He should be in prison for what he did in obstructing this investigation. As an ATF agent who handles this exact situation with taking phones & downloading the contents, he knew exactly what he was doing. It’s that or he’s a complete idiot!!
Why on earth would Higgins stay at the police station for HOURS on end, moving back and forth from area to area, calling and receiving calls nonstop, coordinating efforts with police chief, if he wasn’t the eyes and ears, and literally “hands on” man for the whole bunch?! Who just stays at a police station when it’s their day off and he has “nothing” to do with the case?? Oh, and let’s not forget that the camera footage for Karen’s SUV mysteriously went missing. Higgins is up to his eyeballs in this.
What you guys are saying about Higgins and his phone is mostly not true. He lied about nothing. Just because you don’t believe him doesn’t mean he is lying.
33:48 - I not only want to know how the A's didn't hear anything and go out but I also want to know why none of the surrounding neighbours came out. I've heard many officers live across or a few houses away... Or up the street. Why did none of them come out when he was found (and all the commotion was happening), at the very least??? So weird that the neighborhood remained quiet so to speak. Where I live, one small noise and everyone is looking out their window or steps outside.to see what's happening.