Did insulin ruin bodybuilding? Yates & Levrone reveal their GH and insulin use
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Is insulin the worst thing to ever happen to bodybuilding? From what I can tell, yes!
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Thanks for the video man :)
you have a good channel
Please, do not use Branch's physique as an example for why slin causes lack of muscular separation. The reason Branch looks like "a blob of muscle" is because he is riddled with injuries due to his training style.
The man puts work in, look back around 15 years ago if you want to see him in his prime pre injury.
I agree on Justin Compton slin use limiting his muscular development in his abs region. You can really tell its underdeveloped there, probably because he cant contract his abs through a proper range of motion because of his organs/distended stomach.
rewards for keeping it real my friend.
It takes a lot of guts to compete at this level😨
Mr Bob Big guts, literally.
Oh damn gpipeline, I bet Mr Bob didn't even notice that
Liam McIrishman Yup. That was an unexpected twist.
Ya just have to gut it out.
those contests are a real gut check
You don't need to ban anything. Simply make the vacuum a mandatory pose and penalize guys the FUCK out of the competition if they come in with fat bellies and the rest of it.
This is also a great solution. Simple yet effective
That is a terrible idea. Some people, actually most people don't have the genetic structure to perform the vacuum and actually make it look good. Even back in the golden era only a few guys could pull it off well
Evan Godbee it is a concern but the vacuum is a technique that can be learned by anyone. The ribcage can also expanded through exercises like pullovers to accentuate the effect. Not all golden age bodybuilders did it because frankly they didn't have to. If they made it a mandatory pose however guys would be forced to shape up
Sublime Music Channel correct man.....bb really sucks if it would continue like...MASSTHETICS should be the system...big and beautiful body like arnold u know what I'm saying
#mandatoryvacuum
The judges might as well have them step on a scale . Heaviest guy wins. Judging criteria needs to be completely reset
they look they way they do because the look is rewarded by the judges!
Even then it's kinda weird. Shouldn't ramy have already won the olympia several times already
I mean we saw how morgan aste was placed at i think it was the NY pro and how they are not letting phil pass with that gut nowadays so i think we started getting better and curry isnt the biggest just has a good shape soo i think we are going in a good direction
@@mattt__9260 I will say after seeing some shows this year its getting better. Some of the leaner guys are starting to win. And no body builder wants the bubble gut now , it's taboo and I think they all have it in their minds to not be the bubble gut guy .
People watching bodybuilders
1960-1980's: Wow! look at his muscles
Today: Look at that pregnant man.
Which ALSO includes Arnold... but that was in a MOVIE.
Its losing it's glory
Ha ha
I agree, Believe in Yourself. Bodybuilders in the 1970s, 1980s, and up to the early nineteen nineties were not only proportioned very well, but had that V shape, and looked very wide because of a smaller waistline! I think that what Tomn8er explained about insulin causing this enlarged abdominal condition could be the culprit; one of the main reasons for this distended condition of the midsection.
Arnold was a roid head. 1960 and before were the good bodybuilders.
Me, a skinny guy: I want to be the best bodybuilder ever.
Dorian Yates: you don't have the guts.
Literally! Hahahaha
😄😄😄
He didn’t work out he asb
The physiques in the 70s were smaller but much better quality
TrollMaster666 You cant blame Dorian- you have to blame the judges.
The athletes only do what the judges want.
The proportions were better. Way better.
TrollMaster666 - I'm not big into this as I'm too old nowadays; but, what I got was that he's speaking out about what led (and it's effects on him) to today's bodybuilder and how it's bad for the sport.
That said; I have to wonder whether today's bodybuilder is somewhat a product of today's permissiveness/acceptance of one's being overweight. Perhaps, bodybuilding reflects the (extreme) values of society and not the other way around.
Exactly, be honest, who would you rather look like, Arnold, giant arms, chest, TINY WASTE, looked like a man and girls liked him, or Coleman, legs rubbing together with a giant stomach, looking fat year round, Bodybuilding is SICK, I hate it, used to love it, I don't want to see some freak, it's supposed to be a man, but with extreme muscle and balance, today and for some time the biggest won, I'd NEVER want to look like Cutler, for what? Girls think it's sick, it's very dangerous on the heart and other organs, it's just a joke. Serge Nubret, Arnold, that's something to aspire to, but being so huge your uncomfortable, have to wear clothes for fat guys, no thanks
Google Times yes. There's too much emphasis on freaky body parts. It should be the flow and proportions that matter not size
What's the point in being big if you lose your proportions? Isn't bodybuilding about building the best looking body instead of biggest one?
Total agree with you, look at Arnold in his day in his prime i think he had the full Package
Ivan Atanassov i agree.perfectly written
that's what it was supposed to be about. Today's pile look bloody awful. Not an attractive sight at all
Agreed, why the judges are not doing that is the question, I think they are trying to promote the rod industry lol!
Its about mass, symmetry, seperation of the muscle groups
Bodybuilding requires one thing.....the vacuum pose re-introducing....and that would sort this issue out.
Agreed
I agree with you that vacuum pose be required as one of the mandatory poses.
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Need to be natty like my favourite doctor Rich Piana
Sorry dude but your favorite Dr is 6 feet under. Have a nice day.
@@a1b9c2 he is currently doing a 8 hour arm workout on Saturn
@@matteastwood87 A day on Saturn is 11 hours, resulting in higher gains.
@@SHrepairs Yeah, this is big brain time.
@Mike He died before arm day, his spirit will not rest.
Insulin didnt ruin Bodybuilding its the demand of the Judges for more and more Mass it started with 1996 Dorian Yates and 1999 Ronnie Coleman
nai nai lol
@nai nai
Have You seen 1998 Ronnie Coleman ?
Compare that Ronnie Coleman to Big Ramy that Guy really looks like meat packs stacked together
I dont think we can go back to 70s n 80s these days are long gone, i believe that after all of these years having a physique of that type not as challenging back then after all of the research and development in this sport maybe thata why they demand mass monsters
it’s easy to go back to beautiful aesthetics, put proportion first, muscularity second and size third! reinstate posing.
The athlete will go where the reward is!
As in every competition sport things have to become bigger and faster and more dangerous, it takes away the soul of any sport. In bodybuilding it should also be about athletic and esthetics but now there just ninja turtle mutants from another planet
THE JUDGES RUINED BODYBUILDING
It wasn't the judges, it was the SPONSORS who want people to believe that protein-shakes and food-supplements like Met-Rx; can _actually_ produce results that are 40% above the top 1% of the human genome, as seen onstage.
So when IFBB and others began enforcing drug-tests, the sponsors all threatened to withdraw their support; since the contestants all looked like Gollums with the "natty" look, vs. the monster-physiqes that only PED's can produce.
So of course the IFBB and everyone else, replaced their drug-testing lab with garbage cans, and just rubber-stamped the results; and suddenly Bruce Banner turned into the Hulk.
Money talks and bullshit poses.
Bodybuilding Ruined Bodybuilding!
@@SovereignStatesman Nice story but in the end its the judges who ruined the sport because they are the ones awarding the body builders with this horrible look. If the judges awarded only those with a nice symmetrical frame, i am sure everyone else would have followed suit and this shit look would be a thing of the past.
@Ozy G oh fuck off, dorian just adapted to what judges wanted
Mandatory pose; Vacuum
problem solved
No, it solves nothing :D
Did you mean
"Mandatory pose; Attempt to hide your hgh guy and have a heart attack from your intestines not having enough room"?
@@brentenyam9193 @hungarianbeast thats the whole point, and yes it does solve the problem because since the bubble gut freaks wont be able to properly execute the pose and therefore they will score lower and not win
@@brentenyam9193 @hungarianbeast thats the whole point, and yes it does solve the problem because since the bubble gut freaks wont be able to properly execute the pose and therefore they will score lower and not win which will either discourage them from competing altogether or force them to reevaluate their physique
@@JustinBobby-di9zt Both Ben Pakulski and Branch Warren could hit vacuum poses, it sadly does't change the quality of their bodies. I do remember that Ben came in with a much better midsection in one of his last competitions though.
Dorian didnt ruin bodybuilding, the Judges that gave him first place did...
Well said.. Dorian's physique wasn't pleasing at all.. He tore his bicep and tricep and yet wins the Olympia bullshit!! Training that heavy all the time ruined his look and body.. And yet has no sympathy for Ronnie when he's unable to walk now.. You should talk Dorian u spent all that money on drugs and look like shit now not s ounce of muscle left..Wheeler should have won in 93'..
yikes
@@kryptoniterocks8245 your Dorian Yates complex is STRONG!
He didn't have a gut. He was the first mass monster, not the first gut monster.
*The Speaker said, Prays to GOD!!!! LIAR!!!!*
2:30 My god, Flex’s slim and aesthetic physyique looks like a miracle whey you compare it to the current Olympia lineup...
It's disgusting! Give me the golden age anytime!
I agree 100%!
Not all of the guys look like this. In fact pretty much no one in the top 10 looks like this anymore
Taking insulin creates insulin resistance and that causes formation of visceral fat inside the belly.
Thanks for the factoid BROTHER
Top Lobster yeah it causes diabetes too which causes the heart to swell and changes how it beats and insulin converts to igf which causes cancer it honestly amazes me that they are able to sustain and survive from that stuff I’d like for bodybuilding to have some form of limitations like maybe only testosterone based steroids no hgh and insulin but I’d say they’ll never do that
@@morgan866 Dorian looks like a fit guy for his age now though. No 'GH gut.
Hulkster great comment Dr . And unfortunately you can get insulin resistant just by eating too many carbs as well , which is how naturals usually end up diabetic .
@@pandahsykes602 how many is too many carbs? Back in the early 90s, most bbuilders lived on the 60/40/20 rule...way over 4-500 grams of carbs a day...and there are more diabetics now. I would say SUGAR not all carbs
Now I am proud of my gut i look like a me. Olympian
Deadpool Lee hahaha
Deadpool Lee maybe eventualy b a bubble gt olympian contest!!! Hope of glory for many men over 40!!!hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 congratulations deadpool lee, you are a lengend now, you are mr ooympian
Lol
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One way to make the bubble gut phenomenon disappear is by making the vaccum pose MANDATORY in all competitions.
Eric McIntyre perfectly put.simplistic..correct.i would love to see thm days...old school.wat bodybuilding usd to b.beautifuly built bodys..a great skill..hard training..bodys that females did love.wrap arms around tiny hard muscular waist abs.i doubt a woman would want to do that wth a bubble gut!!!!
yup agreed!
Good one. And also, not REWARDING the gut bodybuilder. They did it to Phil, so they are doing good.
Hell yeah! Before it's time to call it quits on these beauty contests. Besides, if you want esthetic male physiques you watch... Male Physique and maybe Classic Bodybuilding. These were created because open bodybuilding looks NASTY...
Yeah! Frank Zane, king of the vacuum pose.
Quality over Quantity
what;s the point if you look worse than a normal untrained guy
honestly
No get this wrong they look 1000000 time sbetter than an untrained person they just have a messed up gut, don’t be jealous
Not so sure I agree. No one is looking at normal guys with disgust and derision. It’s a shame because without the gut it’s incredible but with it laughable.
Jared Hughes no lmao it looks trash
@@Jared_huge jealous???🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Lmfao you're a fuckin moron if you think looking pregnant looks good.
nail on the head, the ifbb need to stop rewarding them, great video. Lee Priest was always robbed in shows because he spoke out.
Yes well that proves the judging has gone backwards. Still stuck with rewarding sheer size at the expense of aesthetics, small waists, separation, presentation, things that made the sport popular in the 80's and 90's
+BeeLeigh
In my unimportant opinion 1999 and 2000 Lee Priest is THE BEST Bodybuilder ever best Chest Best Biceps, Best Legs
Agreed, also great presentation which i really miss these days, the posing round is like watching paint dry
+BeeLeigh
Its like Arnold said There s no talent behind it anymore. in 1970 ies the poseing of Arnold and Frank Zane was beautiful like a choreography and Now they are like Hulks with a pregnancy Belly
BeeLeigh Lee Priest spoke out, which was valiant of him. But he was shorter than Franco Columbo; thus no way u could reward him with the Sandow trophy.
Ninja turtles mode! Love it
They did it wrong. The turtle shells supposed to be on the back not the front.
Actually, the Ninja Turtles have really flat stomachs, so this comparison is faulty.
Bodybuilding died in the 90s.....Long live the golden age of the 60s and 70s and early 80s
I do not understand why people think the 60 s and 70s was the golden era when the best physiques where clearly produced in the late 80s and early 90s. I guess it’s all opinion but I would put Lee Haney up against anyone all time.
@@alansjf33 Thank you!!!
@@alansjf33 yes Lee Haney was awesome no bubble gut
Alan H-B because they looked human bk then
nah, 90s was the golden era. Flex wheeler>anyone from the 60s/70s. if you disagree you’re probably a twig
My grandmother is a type 1 diabetic and after she started using insulin everyday, her stomach has become significantly bigger, so as far as I know insulin is indeed the reason for bodybuilders having bubbleguts
It's become a freak show.
This is the best video I've seen on UA-cam. I have followed bodybuilding since 1989, and you have described perfectly what has gone wrong with bodybuilding with insulin usage. Ripped glutes and hamstrings, yet the rest of the body is very smooth and blury. The volume of the muscle has increased dramatically from the 80s and early 90s, but the density and condition of the muscle is very poor.
Before insulin usage, when a bodybuilder hit a pose the muscle would come alive with striations, you just don't see that anymore. You now have bodybuilders on stage with bloated faces, whereas years ago they looked as though they were at deaths door with sunken cheeks through dieting.
yea its totally diff now, tis all Bloat Monsters, no quality, to me one of the last greatest bodybuilders was Lee Haney, it ended after his reign
They look disgusting, who does this to themselves. Yuck.
people with musclerexia ...mental illness
@@WilsonEatsASMR Bubble guts are also great signs... of a filthy drug taking Cheater. Spotting out cheaters is extremely easy in body building... just check out those drug infested tummies
@@princeofdarkness4711 well hate to tell you they've all been on roids since probably the 70s lol, they just use some different shit now that makes them look like fat ass pregnant people but all of them for the past 40 years are on filthy drugs lol.
Why are you here ? Of course you can say to see the freak show and that's fair ...but i say keep your mouth shut if ya dont like it move on rather than take shots at something people enjoy ..go back to your video games and chronic masterbating
@@brettpair6485 as opposed to chronic up and down of a dumb bell and syringe?
I remember watching him on tv in 93 and man the change was very dramatic. I feel so lucky to have seen this in the years they happened. I had started lifting in 1988 (and still am) so it was prime time for me. You hit the mark in this video. The mystery is over.
I envy you man. I was like 6 at the time and didn't even know what bodybuilding was lol
GH actually burns body fat and keeps you lean, but it also lowers insulin sensitivity. The growth factor of GH is when it converts into IGF in the liver which causes muscle hyperplasia. Exogenous insulin is used because some of these guys are eating 1000+ grams of carbohydrates a day and with lowered insulin sensitivity due to high GH doses, the pancreas simply cannot make enough insulin to store the carbs as glycogen into the cells so exogenous insulin must be used. Insulin also greatly increases the bodies ability to synthesize protien because the protien/aminos in the blood will piggy back onto the carbs as they will also enter the cell at a higher rate from exogenous insulin administration. The problem these guys have is excess carbohydrates intake to fill out spilling over when the cells are full and making the body look soft -glycogen is 75% water so that explains the "soft" look. It is a very tricky process to fill out "carb up" for a show, especially when "supercharging" the process with insulin administration and the look can vary greatly by the hour. Timing the carb intake, amount of carbs, insulin dose, and diuretic use is different for every person. GH use is often stopped during the last week prior to a show as it can cause bloating and water retention. Also, lowered insulin sensitivity caused by high GH doses added with higher than normal insulin dosing which will be necessary to store extreme carbohydrate intake will cause higher than normal fat storage, including visceral fat which results in abdominal distention. Proper use of insulin and GH is not the problem.
I apologise for my incompetence. Could you explain this like I'm a 5 year old.
S Daggers 💀
That’s what I thought 💭 🤔😳
Tomn8er, pin this comment. It's the only correct analysis in these comments.
Thanks Capt
So many great bodybuilders that came before never had huge bellies. What the heck is going on?
Insulin
You're the first person I've heard say that insulin also makes the physique smoother. That's also something to think about, not just the guts.
CKSuperLevis j
Exactly. It blurs the subcutaneous layer under the skin. That’s why the guys today can’t get ripped. They want extreme marshmallow size. Ridiculous!
It's not dificult to explain. Insulin causes visceral fat in the gut. It's basically a bear gutt. Insulin causes the body to stop burning fat and makes the liver convert sugar from the blood into fat. The liver deposits the fat around the liver in the gutt area. Bodybuilders probably combine insulin with fast carbohydrate like dextrose or something. Even a bowl of pasta or rice combined with insulin will probably result in more visceral fat.
So insulin plus excessive carp intake = bubble gutt. The reason they don't cut down on carps is probably because they can't see the fat. They are still shredded.
You can probably remove visceral with some kind of advanced liposuction though. I bet there are doctors that can do it.
Good comment. This is more or less the way I understand it too but I need to do more research to confirm
2 face this is the truth. And it's been known for years in the bodybuilding world. The combo of gh as well causes the fat to build quicker. They can't give it up though because the gh + insulin is what allows them to hold so much mass. Aas has never been a problem. It's all insulin.
2 face gotta cut down on the carps, right babe?
is that only a thing for hardcore bodybuilders? I am a type 1 diabetic and i have problems with loosing fat on my stomach. Would you recommend me injecting it somewhere else then? thanks
for some reason it's not showing me your answer here, but i saw a part of it in the notifications. thank you for answering mate, really appreciate it.
That pose from Arnold is the best pose in bodybuilding, then or now.
Jeepers!!! This is the best vid I've seen in regard to bodybuilding and drugs I've seen yet!! Outstanding dude!
They look like E Honda from Street Fighter
except sumo's are supposed to be fat
Lmfso lol dead🤣😂
Nodded so much in agreement that I think I might need a neck brace
You did bring up some really good points... Most of us knew about the bubble gut phenomenon. I never once thought of the muscles been washed out and lack of separation.
Thank you so much for making this video. I was exposed to a lot of bodybuilding growing up in the 80s and 90s, and only recently returned to the sport as a fan. I was wondering what in God’s name was up with modern bodybuilding stomachs and their serious lack of definition. I know this video’s a little old, I hope this has changed for the better and insulin use is falling out of favor.
Pro bodybuilders with bubble gut are now on the same level as Synthol users smh.
Yeah Kai Greene blocked me cause i said your not a bodybuilder if you have a bubble gut and i think thats the truth.
He should have responded with "you're* not intelligent with shitty grammar".
Sadik blocked me after i asked why is he geting funny lumps on back
Mike o hearn blocked me after he shorted me on some money after I'd already sent him some drugs
phil heath blocked me because he saw my awesome physique
insulin is actually needed when running high amounts of HGH because high dosages of HGH causes hyper-glycemia (and insulin lowers blood sugar so its needed), plus insulin is synergistic with HGH and causes a higher production of IGF-1 (insulin like growth factor) which is responsible for cell growth (and muscle growth). However IGF-1 repairs ALL cells, so if you have more IGF-1 that is needed for muscle repair the IGF-1 will be signaled to repair and grow all the muscles involved in the gut and digestive track. This is where the 'bubble gut' comes from, excessive amounts of IGF-1 swelling up the cells of the intestines (this can go away, just like muscles can get smaller and go away as well, bubble guts come and go , it grows just like a muscle and can shrink back down just like muscle).
Interesting information. I had always heard that intestinal growth as a result of HGH is irreversible. Perhaps this is wrong. I'll need to do more research.
the body contains "voluntary" muscle fibers (like biceps that we can contract by telling them to with our mind) and "involuntary" muscles that are autonomous and contract and work all on their own. The intestines and stomach wall is filled with involuntary muscle fiber which is needed for digestion. hgh and insulin together amplify IGF-1 and igf-1 stimulates cell swelling/growth of both muscle types. but all muscle fiber cells can swell up and engorge and shrink back up as well. a 300 pound body builder can shrink back down to a 200 pound guy. an over stimulated digestive muscle system that is 'full' and engorged from growth factors can shrink back down as well once the stimulus subsides...high doses of HGH with insulin can over produce IGF-1 and add that with a high calorie diet that really works the stomach and intestinal muscles and growth of the stomach happens... just my thoughts. great vid btw
This is gold
i thnk the solution here is to stop doing HGH lol
The solution, as in everything in life, is moderation.
Flex Wheeler - the greatest physique that was never crowned Mr Olympia
Probably
The biggest Mass Monster with the most impressive set of abs was unquestionably Paul Dillet.
Are the top guys of today bigger mass monsters than the Mass Monsters, or have they gotten smaller since the Mass Monsters?
@@alantaylor6691 guys now are clearly bigger due to more drugs
I love how for the late 90s they banned diuretics which make you peeled but insulin was promoted 😂
2:55 flex wheeler has such great wasteline, just perfect.
TheTruth76 he has the best genetics just for a pleasing
I was just thinking about how actually good flex wheeler looked, dude was on par with some og golden area physiques no lie. He should’ve gotten first place. That decision is what has ruined bodybuilding at this point.
Flex was the last of the golden era bodybuilders
Fiiiiinally someone points out dexter jacksons digusting stomach. Everyone always boasts about him always being dialed in. He has exactly what you would call a turtle shell stomach. All these newbies are jokes.
What are you talking about. Lui has been roasting dex since 2012 until he semi fixed the issue
comptoncity2 Lui? Are you talking about clueless luimarco? I dont even consider him "somebody" or, somebody important.
Well he is actually someone. You didn't say someone important had to point it out just that someone had to. Stop moving the goal posts.
Evan Godbee Fair enough. But the fact remains, Lui is clueless and is trying to make a name for himself which is okay but his opinion as amateurish at best, as is mine but I don't try going viral trying to become popular or make money off it.
Robert Nesy Dexter is RARELY OFF!!! He earned his rep!!
Holy shit bro you're funny af , I seriously love your commentary on this , keep it up.
thx dude
I have an unusual, eccentric reason for using insulin the last 12 years, I have diabetes. I know crazy right. I use nothing else, I'm not a bodybuilder. I can say though that insulin use will distort, distend and swell ur gut beyond all proportionality regarding bf%. I'm at 13% bf (I've always been lean, this is the most obese I've been in my life) but my gut looks like it should be 25%. Imho its insulin that's causing this effect in bodybuilders. Oh and sustained insulin use in someone that doesn't have diabetes will ruin their pancreatic function irreversibly, diabetes for life.
I've had type 1 diabetes since I was 6, and I'm 33 now. Always been lean and my stomach looks... flat and normal. But I know a few people with diabetes that looks kinda "swollen", including my dad. Hopefully I can look normal until I'm over 50, haha!
11:11 Levrone's shape from 95 is outstanding
u r better than many fitness youtubers, surprised I did not see ur videos till now
thanks man. Newish channel, not a ton of views/subscribers yet, that's prolly why ;)
Rich Piana is the prime example of the shredded yet undefined with no separation bodybuilding condition. Fuck all the gh and insulin, what the sport needs is natural athletes and some good ol' testosterone at the most.
Piana is a joke. His lack of definition is a direct result of pmma. He shouldnt be on youtube spouting his 'advice'
I agree, Rich has a TIGHT waist and nice 6 pack for his age.
Kristian G Nobody would pay $$$ to see natural bodybuilders I sure as hell wouldn't!!!
wildwilllis1 I agree
Well Kristian, Rich does not even compete so I am not sure what "condition" you are looking for. Rich, by his own admission, is just looking to stay big as long as possible. Comparing him to stage ready BB'ers is silly.
Two things: exogenous insulin is easily detectable with a blood test, and it can certainly be banned, it does not matter if it is a legal drug or not. For example, tennis star Maria Sharapova was banned for using Meldonium, a legal medicine used to treat cardiovascular disease.
Sugarpova got caught cheating, end of.
@@manjsher3094 I think the point sailed right over your head there.
@@hardfugoo1 your Mama
You had me dying with that picture of Ronnie holding a vaccuum, legendary roasts bro
8:00 "this simply isn't natural." Uhm, very little is in the mad world of pro bodybuilding.
Absolutely make that video about insulin causing distended guts, I'm very interested in the science behind it. Great video as always!
I've been watching bodybuilding for about 30 years.You're right,they look worse.The bubble gut bulks are not the graceful cut champions of the past.You're right.Most of the bodybuilders now tend to have a sameness to their appearance.Everything maxed out,and huge.But with a lack of separation to the muscle groups.They lack the distinctiveness of the individual physiques.
I think the overload of drugs is causing an ugly bloated look that is now so common.I suspect you're right about insulin being the culprit.I've listened to Dave Palumbo enough to understand that there is a connection between taking GH,and insulin.
Apparently taking GH will cause insulin resistance.Then they start taking insulin.That combo is the problem.
Pro bodybuilders taking AAS is stressful enough.But there seem to be less severe health problems,and early deaths from the 60's-80's era.When they started adding the GH + Insulin,the mass level went way up.The early fatalities went up too.I'm thinking of someone like Nasser El Sonbaty.Of course the over use of Diuretics like lasix was very dangerous.Look up Andreas Munzer.The increasing bulk with the demand to be ripped has gone too far.That extremity is impressive.But it's not worth the damage.
They were using insulin in the 80s before Dorian, at least some were, because Tim Belknap was a diabetic pro and mentioned in interviews in muscle and fitness that other pros thought insulin was giving him an advantage and they were experimenting with it. He and the authors warned about the dangers of insulin.
DrAL00isin I heard about that guy. Didn't know others were experimenting with it though
DrAL00isin I remember that interview. He left a number and I called him. I was only 13 I was going to ask for a workout
bruh, u r way better than most youtubers. i would say both u and nick strength and power puts great contents. kudos! 💪💪💪💪
Insulin is known to preferentially increase visceral body fat, especially in the mid section. It’s been known for a long time. Insulin resistance (where our muscles and liver become resistant but our adipose tissue remains sensitive to insulin) is the likely cause of middle aged people’s obesity and bigger guts as we age.
Not correct. With insulin resistance the adipose tissue is resistant to insulin. That's why blood sugar levels rise - because the sugar isn't able to be stored as fat effectively. The muscles can only store so much glycogen, it's the fat cells that do the bulk of the energy storage. If adipose tissue remained sensitive to insulin, we would not observe a rise in blood sugar at all.
At the end of the video you proposed that the IFBB ban the use of insulin. Well, if guys are using GH, they pretty much need to use insulin. As HGH messes up your body's natural insulin sensitivity. So that won't work. Though, I do agree with you that I prefer the old school physiques. We all miss the good old days. Sadly, they are gone.
Wrong, they can take metformin
Thank YOU for making this video, I agree with every view of yours, these bodybuilding shows have become over-saturated with guys who aren't the role models we're looking for.
Their hunger for fame and wealth doesn't seem bounded by their crude lifestyle of injections and drugs, and frankly, everyone is getting sick and tired of this.
Keep up the good work, we want to hear everything you have to say, so maybe these topics can become viral and maybe.. reach the eyes and ears of the "pro's" that represent this circus of a show.
In one word.....Yes. Kind of explains why the bodybuilders from the 1970s-1980s are so celebrated now.
Dale C very much so.size isnt bodyuilding.its a part..of a package.yet not main component.thats how it usd to be.brng bk thm days.
Man, after watching several videos of Arnold back in the day, these guys look terible.
Besides the obvious gut problem, I’d argue the opposite. After getting used to guys like Ronnie and big ramy, 70s bodybuilders look small and “mostly” unconditioned compared to them
@@ohareair552 yea… no
@@hardfugoo1 Great point, you’ve changed my perspective on life as a whole after hearing that
It started with the ex-bodybuilders turned judges eg Mike Katz and Bev Francis who had NO idea about term aesthetics and proportions.
How on earth did Dorian win that Olympia? He looked proper shite next to wheeler. The judges are so lame.
Yates also mentions that he used Insulin on the JRE podcast, and also says that was the only time he noticed growth in his gut as a result.
Kirk Bushell interesting
Don't blame the athletes-blame the judges ! Also,the abdominal split you mentioned in Haney could very well be inherited.Many people of African decent will show varying degrees of separation down the middle of the abdominals.Look back at some of the Serge Nubret photos.
Yes after looking back at pictures of him in his teens I would say Haney's is most likely 100% genetic.
Thanks for your response.
Your brutal honesty is awesome and hilarious 😂😂🤣
Flex's abs and thighs shot, his serratus is so good
phelps claims hes eating 10000 cal, dont see the gut on him
good point. And his diet included all sorts of unhealthy shit like waffles iirc
i imagine he also swims a fuck tonne though which will burn way more calories than lifting weights does in the gym lol
Filip andrić Phelps does a lot of cardio. Swimming burns a lot of calories. He was dedicated when he was training. To do what he did, he had to eat a lot and fuel the body.
my point is that they eat the same amount of food, and your gut is doing the same work weather you burn all the calories or turning them in the mucle.
Applying that logic, you're saying that bodybuilders are not digesting their food, or that they eat harder to digest food. Or that bodybuilders are incredibly constipated.
It's not from food, and if it were, then these guys would simply take a pre-contest diuretic a day beforehand, to clean out the intestines and have a super-slim waist which would decimate all competitors. It's a nice attempt on explaining their distended abdomens, but it's nonsense.
IFBB destroyed bodybuilding by making Yates win all those O's.
yep agree, last great bodybuilder to win the Mr O is Lee Haney in my opinion, still asthetic , mass, vacuum stomach, posing.... and class, and super likeable (if u havnt look up his current vids) after 91' the sport died
Jack Ridge I agree that it’s not healthy but you have to admit in a lot of ways they look better especially their legs and glutes.
In my opinion it was Ronnie Coleman who destroy bodybuilding, or I should say judges who gave him Mr. Olympia title in 2000. Till 1999 bodybuilding was still pleasent to eyes, but 2000 was like breaking some point. Insulin, synthol, and GH are the worst things in bodybuilding. My favoritue bodybuilders are Rich Gaspari, Lee Priest, Kevin Levrone, Mohamed Benazziza and Frank Zane when he was young. I dont like his shape of last years of his profesional carere. (sorry for my english)
@@morgan866 no they don't
how can those judges sit there and say that flex wheeler, kevin levrone, vince taylor, lee labrada and shawn ray were beneath dorian yates
besides the steroids, the rigged judging kills the credibility of the sport
I understand that there is a tell tale split between the abs. One thing I wanted to point out is that I used to be 400 pounds and am currently around 290. In that same area I have a dominant bubble area where I just stretched that (forgot what that membrane is called). I thought I had a hernia but the surgeon told me I didn’t need surgery. I could keep training and that it was from extremely stretching that material in the middle of my abs right above my belly button and is a few inches long and at least an inch or more wide. When I do crunches it protrudes outwards. Not saying Lee Haney was 400 pounds and got into shape. Just pointing out that besides loose skin you can screw up your ab section by letting your weight get so out there it can’t always find it’s way back
You said
"This is just disrespectful man"
I laughed as i hit subscribe.
Lee Haney used HGH. I had a friend who was great friends with his training partner. Haney told him what he was taking. He called it “...something that makes your bones grow.”
But his abs are genetic.
It is the insulin. I see this a lot with my father whose diabetic. He was a Greco-Roman wrestler in his younger days and he was in great shape. When he became diagnosed with diabetes, he lost alot of weight and became very skinny. When he was prescribed Lantus, his stomach would become larger, as if he ate a really big meal and it would stay that way for a day or sometimes 2 days after the injection. That never happened to him pre-diabetes. My father's blood sugars are under control so he's in good shape now but he's smaller in comparison to his younger days but the bubble guts are the result of insulin abuse. Injecting insulin means that the body breaks down the foods and processes the nutrients much faster. The danger is that the blood sugars get very low which is fatal and since these guys aren't diabetic, that's double the amount of insulin they need which increases the odds of a fatality.
That picture of Dorian has those stretched out abs. Not bad compared to todays guys but its there. The guy next to him has abs like they should be. Straight up and down and each one popping out. Dorians are stretched and beginning to take that C shape.
Hey Really good job in research, presentation, photo selection, narration and production values,. Pat yourself on the back. Excellent, educational video. You bring up the most important fears in Body Building today. These are topics that have changed and damaged the sport for years. Your video shows us the proliferation of these drugs are worse than ever and threaten to destroy the sport. Palumboism, or Lenny-ism must not be accepted any longer. Please make the full insulin video. Thanks for the hard work.
I can't really express how much I appreciate your reverence for the classic stars that inspired the world of bodybuilding. Well done young man you are such ac Reddit to the culture and sport of bodybuilding!
Ive seen a few articles and videos that show the bubble gut, is from fat stored behind the muscle wall of the stomach muscles.Visceral fat. Basically all of their organs are surrounded and compressed by fat. So instead of the fat being on the outside of the muscles its under the muscle. It probably is the drugs they are taking that is causing their bodies to build excessive Visceral fat plus all of the calories they consume.
Visceral fat: Visceral fat, or abdominal fat, is a type of body fat that exists in the abdomen and surrounds the internal organs. Everyone has some, especially those who are sedentary, chronically stressed, or maintain unhealthy diets. A different type of fat - subcutaneous fat - which builds up under the skin, has less of a negative impact on health and is easier to lose than visceral fat. In fact, excessive deposits of visceral fat are associated with many serious health problems including cardiovascular disease, types 2 diabetes, and increased blood pressure. Though it is possible to lose, it requires a larger commitment than spot exercises, like sit ups or crunches; a combination of cardiovascular activity and a lean diet is typically required
Great video! Keep it up
Yates midsection looks good compared to today’s standards.
Damn goid article, honest and upfront.
You hide if your ashamed of what you've done.
Own your decisions whether good or bad and carry yourself with dignity.
So many people think it's all about the eroids etc, they forget about the time the gentleman put in the gym.
Great job!
WB-USMC-0311 Ret.
Muscle separation, cuts and rip is what bodybuilding was all about. Seeing athletes with skinny waists, and extremely lean muscular bodies, striations everywhere was so impressive. Today bodybuilding is defined as "dude I'm bigger. No I'm bigger. I weigh more. I wear the largest shirt."
Schwarzenegger had the best body
No he was amazing and really made body building the major sport as popular as it is today. But there is a few body builders I can definitely think of I personally think had better proportions and genetics. Arnold doesn't even have a doesn't even have a six pack.
I've had to look up insulin and its effects on muscle, strength, and conditioning. I use insulin daily and i've noticed changes in my body from insulin combined with nutrition and weight lifting. I've wondered why its taken similar bodybuilding effects like the prego belly. Now your probably wondering why I take insulin, I am a diabetic and need it to live. Yet I have noticed when I cut weight along with carbs and fat my need for insulin reduces due to lower weight and lower consumption and my belly tapers off. Why am I saying all this, well because since bodybuilders continue to inject insulin the danger of current day bodybuilders that either don't know (and if they do they ignore it) that use insulin for a prolonged amount of time will eliminate the pancreases production of insulin in the Islets of Langerhans. They just die and don't ever come back they cannot be fixed and cannot ever regenerate. That is the long and short they will be insulin dependent and be diagnosed with adult on set diabetes there is no maybe or if, it will be a matter of when it happens it is a 100% guarantee to happen. it does need to stop for the sake of their health primarily and disgusting look yet its very hard because its undetectable and legal to purchase without a prescription from your local wal-mart target even Costco pharmacy. Great info and great video btw to bring awareness
Yup. I've got the type 1 dyabeetus, surprisingly diagnosed at 30, while living a healthy lifestyle. I've gotta fuggin 4 pack with a muffin top. God forbid these guys take a couple units too much and have a seizure, especially while driving. Insulin can be scary and takes getting used to. I gotta do a freakin' mathematics equation everytime I eat.
bshaun how u find out i had diabetes? What made you go get checked?
@@barcelonadgreates born or you'd notice it, I guess.
judges ruins bodybuilding. When Dorian Yates came with his bubblegut on olympia stage they should ve say to him immediately that he cant win with a big waistline.. that's not aesthetic
Arnold had wide waist.
Dorian only his last year
@@proudmen1220 wtf are you talking, Every year from 93 to 97 he came with a big belly not only a big waistline.. rewatch 95, he look so bad... then Kevin and Shawn are greek god, Dorian look like a turtle mutant
Strongmen honestly look way more aesthetic with an actual layer of fat and a bit of a belly than anybody with a bubble gut does. It looks so strange it throws the whole physique off.
they dedicated their lives through blood sweat and tears to having the same body as a guy who lies in bed all day and drinks 10 beers a day ! man, I spent the last 18 months going through hell to get rid of mine !
Your comment goes along well with an old Metallica song
@@rambomoore381 wich one ?
Look st Shawn Ray in the 99 mr O. IMO he looked the most aesthetic and proportioned bodybuilder on stage but still ended up 5th
He was tiny compared to them all
absolutely awesome video i always said insulin was a problem. it totally kills the look in bodybuilding
This interesting video points out a subject that would be taken seriolusly by these professional bodybuilders: Insulin makes them simply ridiculous. What´s the point to have great arms, sholders and legs if you have a ballon in your midsection ?
Im astounded at the amount of broscience in one video.
I was just commenting on the need for side by sides to underscore the difference the trained eye can see but the average guy has a harder time differentiating. It makes all the difference, great video.
My gut is the same as these guys and I don't work nearly as hard as them, so good job guys
I don't know why the split between his abs would indicate that Haney took GH, but you can google images of young Lee Haney, or Lee Haney teenage America and you can see that split at least as far back as 1979. This picture is probably even older, and shows the ab split: www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/YoungLee1.jpg
I think it's just a natural quirk of his physique.
you're right that was my mistake
Jay Cutlers injection crater glutes clearly visible at 1:46.
disgusting
Wow that's grim shady
And I think that is why they all have huge bulges in that same area. Think of the scar tissue from continuous injections year after year.
Pregnant bodybuilding at its finest. Good to see people who are preggers giving it a go.
After watching this video it clear to see its the insulin and not GH causing the big guts. Its also why they can get rid of there big guts is because its not the organs growing but the visceral fat around the organs. This is also causing the smoothness and lack of seperation, the insulin is keeping the fat in the muscles even though they dieted down.