@@DONMAZ7 Dorian does not deserve this championship because his biceps has a better piece of Nasser than him. For Rooney versus Flex, Rooney was better than him in terms of drying.
@@chandramohanbisht7316 Ramy have better back than nasser, at least he is the widest 1 on stage. Dorian had much more riped back than nasser. From the front and side Nasser was 1 of the best. Still i think it was controversial cuz Dorian had 1 arm completely injured so he had 0 symetry. If Nasser had better condition he would won.
@@vishbar4262 I have thought this, I mean, if he would have been 1997 MrO. he would of retired on his next loss. so retiring much earlier and regained his health. is this what you mean?
@@VinchenzoC Lee Priest was a rarity in bodybuilding. The man is an action figure literally. Jay Cutler's reaction when he first saw him before the competition speaks volumes about him. Jay was stunned to say the least. What does it matter that he is possibly weak in one back position? This does not diminish its uniqueness.
Increíble físico que presentó Lee Priest, una quinta posición quizás inmerecida, pero con menudos bichos se enfrentaba, estaban todos a muy buen nivel, quizás Levrone fuera de su mejor puesta a punto pero vaya tela que físicos.
Lots of talk about who should have won and who's better. I'm just very impressed by the lineup over all. Everybody's bringing something special to the table.
The right person won the show that year. Everyone says Nasser should've won that year, no way. Dorian beats everyone from the back in two poses. He beats everyone again from the side in the two poses as well. From the front he loses the front double bicep but then wins the lat spread. His front double bicep admittedly is the worst, but he again wins over everyone in every other body part. Abs and thigh, hes good enough to take that too. He has so much thickness, so much density, and so much muscle maturity packed onto his frame he almost looks cartoonish. On top of that he has the best conditioning. He absolutely should've won.
Loved Dorian, but Shawn Ray was so perfect in many ways. Physique, looks, overall presentation and excellent public speaker. He would have been a great representative for the sport as Mr. Olympia.
Ronnie Coleman was out of top six at that time. But a year after, he began his reign. What a big progression in Mr. O history. I thought Nasser, Levrone, or Flex Wheeler would be the next Mr O after Dorian retired, but it was Ronnie.
it's not just size, he had the front but never had the back. Washed out and nonexistent glutes and semi washed out hamstrings, washed out back with subpar development. So many people talk about Dillet's and Nasser's backs but Lee's back was 2x worse than the rest of his body. He makes people we call "narrow" look wider than barn doors.
The reason why Dorian won and nasser came 2nd was that Even Dorian had injured arm but nasser can not defeat Dorian in back double, Back lats spread , front lats spread, and side tricep. And also I can clearly see that the audience was happy with the decision, I don't understand why it was called controversial Olympia..
perfect scores means that every single judge present has you in 1st place, it does not mean that you are without a single flaw...aka flawless/perfect. Lacking in bb-ing knowledge, get that in check before leaving comments.@@maximinus5151
and there are no perfect scores "in proportion and symmetry" what does that even mean? I bet you yourself don't even know, but you sure did feel smart when you left the comment@@maximinus5151
@@maximinus5151 There are no perfect scores "in proportion and symmetry". There are perfect scores in rounds and perfect overall scores. Dorian didn't have perfect scores in 1997 and even if he did all that means is that every single judge on the judging panel had him 1st in placings. If even a single judge had him placing 2nd or 3rd or whatever, he wouldn't have perfect scores. Maybe acquire some knowledge before calling someone "boy", boy.
If there was a 212-pound shorter than 5'5 in height division Lee Priest would have won it 10 years straight. For a 5'4 guy with zero bubble gut to place 5th against these mass monsters is insane
dorian is one of those guys who really shines when placed next to other people cos it shows his conditioning and size, things you can't judge as well when they're doing their individual routines. He doesn't look the best just standing there on his own but put him next to people and he makes them look small and soft
he had a different physique than most of the lineup and he played to his strengths. Arguably he could've should've tried to come in fuller and bubblier but he had very thin skin and was naturally just lean, so getting shredded opened so many doors for him in terms of the placings. BECAUSE he always lacked that fullness, his physique didn't translate well on cut off pictures and video footage with no objects to compare. That's why Flex Wheeler doesn't look 218 pounds when he's by himself. He looks 250. Then you put him next to Dorian and suddenly he looks that 218 again, because there is simply a larger object to actually compare him against and gauge size.
@@mikthe2004 Haha, I don't know about that, his arm was pretty messed up and we always see these pictures with that messed up arm standing next to Nasser. But the vids and statements from people who where there say Yates was too dominant in everything else.
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I can see where the Dorian haters and naysayers are coming from, however just imagine the mindset of the great Yates, with all his injuries, training limitations, behold the physique he brought on stage, says a lot about his steely determination and spirit. Many thanks for the upload, all the physiques on stage look awesome but Yates was the best even without the bicep in my opinion.
Yeah it's a bit sad. Back in the 90es the bodybuilding press were making features on what a warrior he was for fighting all those injuries and sticking to it. Nowadays people call him a "train wreck" in 97, and whinge about the title being stolen. Hindsight and malice are a strong combination.
Dorian is a human tank and now after watching this...he was in better condition than everyone else. I can see why they gave it to him despite this being a "controversial" win.
Honestly frustrates me when folk say nasser wins this show. He's no where near Yates. There's 2 competitions here. Yates is in one. The rest are fighting for 2nd. Yates even with the bust arm and ripped quad. Dominates. He loses one pose that's it. Nasser (rip) is too long in the torso and too short in the legs. Throws his balance off. Let's not start on his back, it's poor. Dorian dominates in all the super hard body parts which everyone struggles with. I could go on and on.. Dorian was a genetic freak with his body. Short torso long legs, a back that was inhuman, unbeatable forearms, calfs. Just unbeatable...
@ZERO DENIRO Yates in the flesh was honestly unreal. It's hard to describe.. He looks poor in photos. I met him and seen him perform in the 90s. Your grandfather will agree he was simply breathtaking.
@@dj_m19 Usually a person with the lowest bodyfat will have the hardest muscles. But sometimes its not the case. How hard you can flex your muscles is determine by how you work out. I also remember him telling me even when compared to Dorian Yates. Lee's muscles are just harder. From our perspective Dorian looks the hardest. But It is something you have to feel in person to know. And that is what my friend did.
Я десятилетия так думал пока не посмотрел внимательно на эти кадры и индивидуальное позирование, сзади Дориан выигрывает все и у всех, в 1997 его спина стала еще больше без потерь в качестве, добавим сюда широчайшие спереди и трицепс сбоку и по совокупности поз он выигрывает не смотря на рваные руки и беременный живот. Я бы скорее Шон Рею дал, но не Нассеру если уж Дориана наказывать за травмы. А так Ятсу уважение при таких травмах и недостатках его кондиции все равно лучше чем у Эль Сонбати
Dorian Yates is one of the greatest sportsman my country has ever produced, though very few English actually know who he is. If he would've achieved what he achieved in any other sport that wouldn't be the case. Sad 😔
Когда посмотрел видео с этой олимпии все сомнения в победе Дориана сразу отпали. При огромной массе жесткость, качество глубина и рельеф мышц на порядок выше чем у остальных.
Господа! Прошло уже столько лет со дня этой Олимпии 1997 года. Не стройте иллюзий, Дориан Йейтс был лучшим! И это не смотря на травмы Дориана! Судьи реально были правы! Он реально «Человек Скала»!!! Его реально, как будто бы высекли из камня!!! Уважаю Дориана!!! Таких больше нет и не будет!!! Дай Бог ему здоровья!!!🙏
so it was not only about front double biceps, right? Dorian still took front lat spread, two back poses, side tri and even side chest, He was not overdieted and flat here any more and dominated Nasser in side thickness. 5 pose out of 7 means he is the winner. no controversy here
@@David-es8dy no, that's a fact not only my opinion. bodybuilding contests are not judged by back, legs, biceps or any other bodypart. It's about mandatory poses and rounds. Dorian wins more poses and more rounds. get a clue
@@David-es8dy Dorian beat Nasser from the front AND the side in the majority of the poses. Nasser won the FDB, A&T, SC and front relaxed! Dorian.. FLS, BLS, BDB, ST, and 3/4 quarter turns. With superior conditioning, 7-4 dorian... Nasser looked amazing from the front, shallow from the side, A back that was nowhere to be seen, and mediocre conditioning! Nasser actually pushed dorian in the FLS and we all know that's dorians signature pose but dorian didn't actually win that pose by a landslide (like he usually does) so even if Nasser won that, dorian still wins it 6-5! Simple mathematics!
I almost thought im alone with that opinion.zero controversy.i think a lot of people make the mistake to judge bodypart for bodypart and forget that is the complete package that counts plus the quality and how hard and shredded it is...especialy by dorian it made a big difference..
Everyone saying Nasser won, look at all compulsory poses, Other than front double biceps, Nasser couldn't beat Dorian in any poses. Dorian maybe in his worst shape but while posing, he hid his muscle tears and weaknesses very well. There's no controversy.
I don't know where is the controversy here.... Dorian is way drier and conditioned than everyone else... He is winning the most number of mandatory poses
Just look at them "relaxed" before the number 2 is revealed Dorian as much as I love him got thicker in the abs and next to Nasser with his wheels too is a huge taper difference and okay he's from the back Dorian is nasty but overall package
@@bigjoocy "Just look at them "relaxed" before the number 2 is revealed " and why exactly would I do that? it's the award winning ceremony, the show is already wrapped up, no need for any of them to pose, keep their midsections in check. The only thing that matters is how Yates and his midsection looked during the actual show when the judges were judging them, during posing.
After re watching this olympia I think it's not as controversial as people think with Dorian winning. Granted the torn bicep looked like shit but the torn tricep is not really noticeable. His gut was slightly distended. His conditioning was still rock solid. Maybe Nasser did just enough but it was not a clear robbery.
Slightly distended ? His arms and legs are shrinking his gut is protruding …. He literally looks like polumbo … I actually count it as the worst Olympia champ of all time. Worse than 80 worse than any of them. terrible.
Yeah close one. In pics I'm always wondering how Dorian won but in videos it's more clear. Had Nasser looked this year like he did a year later then perhaps it's a different story.
@@tumbleweedconnection7906exactly! Dorian has very few good pictures from that show, moreover I had many magazines of that era and Dorian rarely looked superb on most of photos, I don’t know why, maybe his structure is the reason. But on video we can see his advantage even here in 1997, for me 1994 is more Controversial, I would give it to Shawn
@@tumbleweedconnection7906 that's because youtube channels keep peddling the same photo album and the same 5-6 pictures from the contest where Dorian looks bad, to spark controversy and get some views If at least one of them went to bb-ing forums they'd find a bigger variety of photo albums, scanned and upscaled even, instead of being lousy content creators that copy paste someone else's video
I agree, yes Naser looks better in the front poses but I called it 3 for Naser, ,standing relaxed, FDB, and abs and thigh. - Dorian took all the back shots. - The side shots could go either way and it’s evident Naser did not Knockout the champ.
Yea, you know, I've been into lifting and fitness my whole life, and have followed this since the early 80's. This is the first time I've actually seen the full comparisons of this contest. I agree with you that Dorian won, and it was the right call.
@@ravsinghrajput2105 oh please, his back is pathetic. Just compare it to the rest of his physique. He had oil in his arms and was not conditioned= loss
@@jaycutleryDorian was uncharacteristically smooth here because he couldn’t pose to harden up going into the show due to his injury he honestly should’ve been lucky to even get 4th here let alone winning it was a clear political gift
@@Chocolatesauce._I disagree he looks just about as conditioned as ever everyone else looks extremely soft compared to him. Maybe not his ideal condition but still elite
Damn finally some higher quality footage, so we can actually see how soft most of those guys are 😂 the low quality footage just made them looks 10 times better, specifically those guys like nasser who are not condition. But high quality footage shows us how soft half of his body and back is
Fun fact,more than 30% of professional bodybuilders use Synathol, and the muscle tear that hit Durian's biceps wasn't from Bicep workout, but from training back 3 times a week
I agree Lee has the best arms, Paul has the best abdominals and lats, Levrone has the best shoulders, Nasser has the best chest and lines. But the best physique overall, considering volume, density, conditioning and posing was definitly Dorian.
Реальные результаты Мистер Олимпия 1997: 1 место - Нассер Эль Сонбати 2 место - Кевин Леврони 3 место - Шон Рей 4 место - Пол Диллет 5 место - Дориан Йейтс 6 место - Ли Прист ИМХО
Реальные результаты давно в истории, а здесь лишь домыслы человека, не совсем разбирающегося в том, что такое пропорции, симметрия, гармония телосложения, наполненность и венозность, жесткость мускулатуры.
Когда мне начинают рассказывать про пропорции, симметрию и гармонию телосложения, как правило, имея ввиду Йейтса без одного бицепса и с вываливающим животом, то мне становится очень жаль таких людей. У них видимо не всё в порядке со зрением или с головой.
Everyone slams Yates who won the show, yet he didn't have a quart of synthetic in his arms like Nasser did. You can compare Nasser 1996 to Nasser 1997 and you'll see the difference in the hardness and cuts in his arms. That and the film of water he was holding overall as well.
@@shred9475 his weaknesses were condensed in a single body part, Nasser was soft all over. When he turned around he looked bad and unimpressive from the calves to the neck. That's not a "oh he looked bad calves, oh he bad hamstrings" that's the entire physique from top to bottom. 0:04 that's your Mr. Olympia? Mr. Oilman more like. Mr. Softasabarofsoap
1° - Dorian Yates 2° - Nasser 3° - Shawn Ray 4° - Kevin Levrone 5° - Paul Dillet 6° - Lee Prist 7° - Jean Pierre Fux 8° - Chris Cormier 9° - Ronnie Coleman 10° - Milos Sarcev THE BIGGEST TOP 10 OS ALL TIME
Better quality video. For all the Nasser fans out there that think he won this quality video shows the quality muscle density, maturity. Muscle separation, graininess and dryness that Yates has over everyone else. I think this video shows that Dorians gut wasn’t as large as stated and hell Levrone has a little one going too.
Yates looks great besides that arm. I honesty didnt know he dominated the other body parts like this. I give nasser the win but it’s closer than I thought.
he had mediocre leg, and bloated gut at that time, he never had a good chest to begin with. He only had a great back, and god level conditioning. He's the first responsible of the bubble gut era, what a legacy.
It was a gift💀he literally got perfect scores while riddled with injuries and was uncharacteristically smooth from the front torso and rear lower body he didn’t deserve the sandow that year he honestly should’ve been lucky to even take 3rd or 4th but the politics back then was insane
@@Chocolatesauce._ 1. He didn't have perfect scores in 1997 2. 0:55 Smooth in the lower body? 1:15 smooth in the lower body? Hopefully you have a working set of eye balls to realize that his glutes are the most etched out and sunk in, everyone else in that line up has pancake glutes with 0 striations (except for little Shawn at the end) Of course you're peddling the "it's all politics bro 💀💀💀" while not even possessing the bare bone knowledge on what "perfect scores" even means.
Yates dominated in back, conditionning, insane traps/shoulders, hardeness looking to me second should be Ray, flawless Kevin has a better back than Nasser, and match everywhere else, Kevin had choosen to be big and so softer..... Paul is crazy big and Lee Priest is insane conditionned, insane arms, but small compare to all mass monsters ;
0:05 "clear cut" winner huh? interesting choice of words since there's nothing "cut" about him. Showing up soft with pancake glutes. You could sustain an entire village in Africa with how much water he held in his physique that day.
@@dj_m19 comically, at 0:05 you can actually see striation in Nasser's left glute, none of which can be seen for Dorian. Dorian still has the best back, but Nasser has the over-all better physique on that day. Dorians arms are just way too bad to be considered the winner. He literally has no left bicep
glad u see nassers softness but miserably FAIl to see dorians blown out non existent arms, huge pregnant like bubble gut. dorian was lucky to get 3rd if it was scored to reality, but they gave him a parting gift
@Popa dorian had a huge gut and trex arms. Like many mr olympias he also got a few gifts and should have lost some. Ronnie had the same heath also. Its lot of politics and business and not just pure bodybuilding
Seriously thats it? just because he had one weak point!!!! so you giving Dorian the title just because he had a good back!!!!! what about Dorian's torn biceps and his awful mid section .
Явное превосходство Ятса.Ядерный,жёсткий ,наполненный..Мощь и харизма неповторимые.Толщина спины,икры единственные в мире,красивая форма бедра.Ощущение несокрушимой скалы.Остальные плоские как листы
Nasser forever in our hearts.
He must have been the Champion.
@Tie Shoe 100%
@@DONMAZ7 Dorian does not deserve this championship because his biceps has a better piece of Nasser than him. For Rooney versus Flex, Rooney was better than him in terms of drying.
@@DONMAZ7 أصمت لغتي جيدة فليكس شكل بدون تنشيف روني لديه تفاصيل عضلي أكثر
@@DONMAZ7 ههههه هذاك عرفت تقراها الحين صارت نصها مو مفهومة
@@DONMAZ7 يقول ناصر في قلوبنا وهو البطل
If there was a 212 division back then, Lee Priest would have won 10 in a row! Guy was amazing for his size!
Indeed !👌
nope, Shawn Ray
@@Bonekk1992 Shawn Ray was amazing! But did you happen to see Lee in his Prime? I disagree with you but that's my opinion sir
@@michaelfacchini1175 shawn was consistent top5 olympia for years and lee was never higher place than him
@@michaelfacchini1175 that title would literally go to shawn ray the guy was levels above lee priest.
OMG that stage... that lighting... Someone in Spain should look at this video. This is the kind of podium these guys deserve.
Nasser el sonbaty you are the real Champion in our eyes R.I.P ❤️
Your eyes
No back no Mr. Olympia. But respect and R.I.P.
@@maximelinka2445 Say that to Ramy. Although i agree that Naseer didn't deserve to win this show.
@@chandramohanbisht7316 Ramy have better back than nasser, at least he is the widest 1 on stage. Dorian had much more riped back than nasser.
From the front and side Nasser was 1 of the best. Still i think it was controversial cuz Dorian had 1 arm completely injured so he had 0 symetry. If Nasser had better condition he would won.
@@Bonekk1992 ramy doesn’t have a back
Es increíble como destaca entre todos esos mounstros de culturismo el privilegiado físico de Nasser el Sombaty!
Nasser el is the champ in my heart，he paid a lot for this。
He paid it with his life for this... But dorians mystique could not be broken... So politics prevailed.
I’d say Kevin deserved it more than nasser maybe even Shawn ray
I'd say he was the champ only from the front, his back side fucked everything up.....R.I.P to that legend
@@vishbar4262 I have thought this, I mean, if he would have been 1997 MrO. he would of retired on his next loss. so retiring much earlier and regained his health. is this what you mean?
What a lineup, holy f##k. Look at the fullness of kevin in shoulders and arms. They all look phenomenal. 80s and 90s were smth else
Kevin ain't get the name Mr.shoulders for nothing, his side chest pose can't be touched.
Kevin actually looks smaller here than previous years.
I think Nasser should have won here.. However, I see the argument for ‘Yates back’ giving him the win.
Nassar should've won in #96 also.
Nasser never one enough poses.
Nasser was disqualified in 96
Dorian’s front double bubble gut should’ve cost him the win. It’s unfortunate he began the freak show trend.
Soft back nasser. Bull shit
Lee Priest kills Dorian in front duble biceps.
From the back that’s a totally different story tho. Priest was a beast from the front.
But Lee has no lat spread.
@@VinchenzoC Lee Priest was a rarity in bodybuilding. The man is an action figure literally. Jay Cutler's reaction when he first saw him before the competition speaks volumes about him. Jay was stunned to say the least. What does it matter that he is possibly weak in one back position? This does not diminish its uniqueness.
Только руками, а всем остальным Дориан убивает Ли Приста.
@@srbamilic2512 Oh, I think Lee's arms were the best ever.
Damn, kevin's side chest and side tri are unreal.
Lee priest best arms by far. Absolutely amazing
Levrone and Dillet had better arms….
Increíble físico que presentó Lee Priest, una quinta posición quizás inmerecida, pero con menudos bichos se enfrentaba, estaban todos a muy buen nivel, quizás Levrone fuera de su mejor puesta a punto pero vaya tela que físicos.
Nasser clearly won. This is one of the best Mr. O physiques in history. Robbed.
The only body part that was betr then Dorian was his arms he was a close 2nd though
Ray was true second. Nasser would lose so much to get down to yates condition. Not close really.
@@stephengodsmark4353 I think Ray is very ascetic but his legs & abs are quite as good as others
@@jeffsavoy3633 nasser el sonbaty, bigger biceps, bigger deltoids, bigger trapezius, bigger and better legs and better abs than Dorian
@@jeffsavoy3633 nassar had better chest, arms, legs, abs tf ?
Lots of talk about who should have won and who's better. I'm just very impressed by the lineup over all. Everybody's bringing something special to the table.
The right person won the show that year. Everyone says Nasser should've won that year, no way. Dorian beats everyone from the back in two poses. He beats everyone again from the side in the two poses as well. From the front he loses the front double bicep but then wins the lat spread. His front double bicep admittedly is the worst, but he again wins over everyone in every other body part. Abs and thigh, hes good enough to take that too. He has so much thickness, so much density, and so much muscle maturity packed onto his frame he almost looks cartoonish. On top of that he has the best conditioning. He absolutely should've won.
What a great lineup. I couldn't pick a winner out of so many good physique.
All Legends together!!! Feeling really bad for Nasser and also for Paul Dillett.
Loved Dorian, but Shawn Ray was so perfect in many ways. Physique, looks, overall presentation and excellent public speaker. He would have been a great representative for the sport as Mr. Olympia.
This bloke has won mr Olympia 6 times and hardly even known in England it amazes me such great achievements
Speaks a lot about people in england doesnt it? Because yates is popular in india and other countries.
Well I knew him personally. Went to his Temple gym in Brum. Guy was very nice to talk to and humble.
English people mainly interested in football and booze
@@Hogan-sw1py And Fish and Chips beef pies lol
Bodybuilders aren’t that famous outside the bodybuilding world. Even Arnold wouldn’t have been if he didn’t go into movies
"When Dorian was on stage, we were all fighting for second place"
The words of Kevin Levrone.
такой живот как у него , превзойти сложно !
@@zarakei9046mas Não èra mister Barrica 😮
@@AndersonGemeos Дориан задал моду на " беременных культуристов " .
Hahahahah noway 1995 Shawn was clear winner 1997 Nesser was clear winner. Dorian Yates was not even top 2 he should have been placed lower.
@@Realistic-g7z which poses did Nasser win....I just need to know if you actually know what you are talking about
Ronnie Coleman was out of top six at that time. But a year after, he began his reign. What a big progression in Mr. O history. I thought Nasser, Levrone, or Flex Wheeler would be the next Mr O after Dorian retired, but it was Ronnie.
Flex lol terrible physique levrone wasn't too far behind
@@animalmother5287wtf are you talking about xD
@@animalmother5287
flex came second 1 year later in 1998
@@animalmother5287 Flex almost won it in 1998, only lost by 3 points
What are you even talking about? And Ronnie had bad gyno that year.
Damn Shawn Ray looked so good here!!!!!!!
I thought he won this one 🤔
He had very good legs here, the quads and the separation 👍🏼👌🏼
I agree
Shawn Ray was Razor sharp, and had the best looking build on stage.
@@johnrodriguez5133 to small
NASER SOMBATI FOREVER LEGENDARY 💯 👈 ❤️
Dorian conditioning tremendous
Crazy how good Lee Priest was but could never place that high because of his size
it's not just size, he had the front but never had the back. Washed out and nonexistent glutes and semi washed out hamstrings, washed out back with subpar development. So many people talk about Dillet's and Nasser's backs but Lee's back was 2x worse than the rest of his body. He makes people we call "narrow" look wider than barn doors.
HEIGHT NOT SIZE
1:33 game OVER 💀
Dorian still the best, still the most shredded.
The reason why Dorian won and nasser came 2nd was that
Even Dorian had injured arm but nasser can not defeat Dorian in back double,
Back lats spread , front lats spread, and side tricep. And also I can clearly see that the audience was happy with the decision, I don't understand why it was called controversial Olympia..
Because you can't receive a perfect score in proportion and symmetry when you have the left bicep of a 10 year old boy.
Тогда и безрукий мог победить, что за бред вы пишите. С таким бицепсом как у уродца и победить, это дебелизм судей подкупленных.
perfect scores means that every single judge present has you in 1st place, it does not mean that you are without a single flaw...aka flawless/perfect.
Lacking in bb-ing knowledge, get that in check before leaving comments.@@maximinus5151
and there are no perfect scores "in proportion and symmetry" what does that even mean? I bet you yourself don't even know, but you sure did feel smart when you left the comment@@maximinus5151
@@maximinus5151 There are no perfect scores "in proportion and symmetry".
There are perfect scores in rounds and perfect overall scores.
Dorian didn't have perfect scores in 1997 and even if he did all that means is that every single judge on the judging panel had him 1st in placings. If even a single judge had him placing 2nd or 3rd or whatever, he wouldn't have perfect scores.
Maybe acquire some knowledge before calling someone "boy", boy.
If there was a 212-pound shorter than 5'5 in height division Lee Priest would have won it 10 years straight. For a 5'4 guy with zero bubble gut to place 5th against these mass monsters is insane
Nasser definitely beat Dorian but politics always happens in the Mr Olympia
What politics would that be?
You better learn the judging criteria instead of bitching about politics
I would give victory to Shawn Ray maybe but not to Nasser, Dorian better even with such injuries
dorian is one of those guys who really shines when placed next to other people cos it shows his conditioning and size, things you can't judge as well when they're doing their individual routines. He doesn't look the best just standing there on his own but put him next to people and he makes them look small and soft
Still the belly of a pregnant woman and bad Symmetry compared to others on the stage. This was definetly the biggest rob in Olympia ever
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agree with you 100%, he so dif
he had a different physique than most of the lineup and he played to his strengths. Arguably he could've should've tried to come in fuller and bubblier but he had very thin skin and was naturally just lean, so getting shredded opened so many doors for him in terms of the placings.
BECAUSE he always lacked that fullness, his physique didn't translate well on cut off pictures and video footage with no objects to compare.
That's why Flex Wheeler doesn't look 218 pounds when he's by himself. He looks 250. Then you put him next to Dorian and suddenly he looks that 218 again, because there is simply a larger object to actually compare him against and gauge size.
Everyone always talking about how Nasser was robbed. Well, aside from the biceps poses Yates takes 'm all.
Facts
He even wins the biceps poses. His arms are not the best but everything else compensates!!
@@mikthe2004 Haha, I don't know about that, his arm was pretty messed up and we always see these pictures with that messed up arm standing next to Nasser. But the vids and statements from people who where there say Yates was too dominant in everything else.
You are not wrong
Yates wins 2 single poses. Back lats and rear lat spread. He gets smoked in every other pose. Nasser wins handedly.
Dorian best back ever. Nasser always looked amazing in front but miserable in the back. Always was his weak point. Greatness .
dorian iverrated as hell. huge gut no chest missing arm eak arms even before the torn muscles no delts
@@shred9475 stupid
@@shred9475yes durian is the best ever...no argument
Nobody says anything about Levrone being last in the final??!! Really???
he was off look back db standing next to dorian watery as fuck
Kevin was fourth and Paul 6th. There was a mistake on the score sheets
Shawn Ray 3 men, i dont understand
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I can see where the Dorian haters and naysayers are coming from, however just imagine the mindset of the great Yates, with all his injuries, training limitations, behold the physique he brought on stage, says a lot about his steely determination and spirit.
Many thanks for the upload, all the physiques on stage look awesome but Yates was the best even without the bicep in my opinion.
Yeah it's a bit sad. Back in the 90es the bodybuilding press were making features on what a warrior he was for fighting all those injuries and sticking to it. Nowadays people call him a "train wreck" in 97, and whinge about the title being stolen. Hindsight and malice are a strong combination.
Yea right 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤮
Dorian is a human tank and now after watching this...he was in better condition than everyone else. I can see why they gave it to him despite this being a "controversial" win.
You're eyes in ur ass
Honestly frustrates me when folk say nasser wins this show. He's no where near Yates. There's 2 competitions here. Yates is in one. The rest are fighting for 2nd. Yates even with the bust arm and ripped quad. Dominates. He loses one pose that's it. Nasser (rip) is too long in the torso and too short in the legs. Throws his balance off. Let's not start on his back, it's poor. Dorian dominates in all the super hard body parts which everyone struggles with. I could go on and on.. Dorian was a genetic freak with his body. Short torso long legs, a back that was inhuman, unbeatable forearms, calfs. Just unbeatable...
@@stevenmccusker2563 yup
@ZERO DENIRO Yates in the flesh was honestly unreal. It's hard to describe.. He looks poor in photos. I met him and seen him perform in the 90s. Your grandfather will agree he was simply breathtaking.
Nasser was great but Yates wins at least 4 of the 7 mandatory poses. His left arm was poor but he still won
you denial absolutely baffels me. watch tomn8ers review of 1997 mr olympia. Dorian only won the two back poses. Every other pose goes to Nasser.
I dont think you saw what the whole world saw.
Even bodybuilding experts agree Nasser was robbed.
@@altaherhseino if tomn8er thinks that Nasser wins fls, then he is a moron, not bb expert
@Lucien а ещё у Дориана гораздо круче презентация произвольная программа, музыка, лицо, прожимы . Нассер скучен, хотя и симметричен.
@@altaherhseino Going by this video Nasser was not even 1st runner up for me.
A friend of mine went to this show. He said hands down, Lee has the hardest muscles out of all of them by far.
😂😂 your friend must be trippin because theres hardly anyone more conditioned and rock hard than dorian
You got friends, when did this happen?
@@arthurw1604 I clearly remember him saying. Lee Priest's muscles are way harder than anyone in the show, including Dorian Yates.
soft in the legs, no glutes to speak of? is that hardness?
00:55 all that needs to be said and shown.
Tell your friend to visit an eye doctor@@abcmaya
@@dj_m19 Usually a person with the lowest bodyfat will have the hardest muscles. But sometimes its not the case. How hard you can flex your muscles is determine by how you work out.
I also remember him telling me even when compared to Dorian Yates. Lee's muscles are just harder. From our perspective Dorian looks the hardest. But It is something you have to feel in person to know. And that is what my friend did.
Нассера здесь обокрали. На его фоне Дориан теряется, не теряется только его отсутствующая талия
не гони, нассеру как до луны здесь до Дориана
Ты не прав, Нассер просто залит.
@@flex3065 это и есть, как до луны. на соревнования нельзя выходить залитым
Абсолютно согласен. Форма явно лучше, чем у Дориана Ятса, у которого талия шире и толще, и барабан, как у беременной
Я десятилетия так думал пока не посмотрел внимательно на эти кадры и индивидуальное позирование, сзади Дориан выигрывает все и у всех, в 1997 его спина стала еще больше без потерь в качестве, добавим сюда широчайшие спереди и трицепс сбоку и по совокупности поз он выигрывает не смотря на рваные руки и беременный живот. Я бы скорее Шон Рею дал, но не Нассеру если уж Дориана наказывать за травмы. А так Ятсу уважение при таких травмах и недостатках его кондиции все равно лучше чем у Эль Сонбати
Sonbaty from the front was sensational but his back was really weak. Dorian wasnt at his best here but he still was overall better
Shadow with paper thin skin,only pose he is losing is FDB. Overall champ
Dorian Yates is one of the greatest sportsman my country has ever produced, though very few English actually know who he is. If he would've achieved what he achieved in any other sport that wouldn't be the case. Sad 😔
Bodybuilding is not a sport ; physique contest
should placed last at finals here
Because bodybuilding is not a true sport, more of a display
yes and ultra subjective judged only throught couple of eyes who have different vision and taste @@vesuviusenigma7739
each of us have their own chamion, i give zero credibility to IFBB and their 'judges'@@vesuviusenigma7739
Lee Priest y Dorian mis favoritos de todas las épocas!
0:38 "Lat spread" and the camera zooms to the legs 😂
Когда посмотрел видео с этой олимпии все сомнения в победе Дориана сразу отпали.
При огромной массе жесткость, качество глубина и рельеф мышц на порядок выше чем у остальных.
нет.тут явно Нассера засудили.
@@alexandrcataev5918 согласен☝
Да, справедливо. Здесь Дориан заслуженно взял титул.
Господа! Прошло уже столько лет со дня этой Олимпии 1997 года. Не стройте иллюзий, Дориан Йейтс был лучшим! И это не смотря на травмы Дориана! Судьи реально были правы! Он реально «Человек Скала»!!! Его реально, как будто бы высекли из камня!!! Уважаю Дориана!!! Таких больше нет и не будет!!! Дай Бог ему здоровья!!!🙏
Dorian Yates calves were of a different level. Nobody could match .
Dillet and Nasser are matching him here
His gut was also on another level. His arms too, nobody had that small arms, except cameraman...
@@donkbox7317 Nasser's were full of synthol
@@vukdelic7000 just like Nasser's back, nobody had a back that small and washed out except for the cameraman. Even Paul Dillet has a better back LMAO.
@@dj_m19 Well u don't know that u just love looking and tossing off to dorian yates' gut
Nasser El Sonbaty foi o melhor de 97, decisão injusta dos árbitros!
Costas não contam?
Am 🧐?
@@abnersouza5950 só costas ganham?
@@abnersouza5950 peitoral, bíceps triceps, quadriceps e panturrilha não contam?
Вот это участники, вот это уровень 👍👍👍
so it was not only about front double biceps, right? Dorian still took front lat spread, two back poses, side tri and even side chest, He was not overdieted and flat here any more and dominated Nasser in side thickness. 5 pose out of 7 means he is the winner. no controversy here
That’s your opinion. Cause in my eyes Dorian had back that’s it on nasser
@@David-es8dy no, that's a fact not only my opinion. bodybuilding contests are not judged by back, legs, biceps or any other bodypart. It's about mandatory poses and rounds. Dorian wins more poses and more rounds. get a clue
@@levanmuradashvili2769 definitely agree with you on that bud. 👍
@@David-es8dy Dorian beat Nasser from the front AND the side in the majority of the poses. Nasser won the FDB, A&T, SC and front relaxed!
Dorian.. FLS, BLS, BDB, ST, and 3/4 quarter turns. With superior conditioning, 7-4 dorian...
Nasser looked amazing from the front, shallow from the side, A back that was nowhere to be seen, and mediocre conditioning! Nasser actually pushed dorian in the FLS and we all know that's dorians signature pose but dorian didn't actually win that pose by a landslide (like he usually does) so even if Nasser won that, dorian still wins it 6-5! Simple mathematics!
I almost thought im alone with that opinion.zero controversy.i think a lot of people make the mistake to judge bodypart for bodypart and forget that is the complete package that counts plus the quality and how hard and shredded it is...especialy by dorian it made a big difference..
Everyone saying Nasser won, look at all compulsory poses, Other than front double biceps, Nasser couldn't beat Dorian in any poses. Dorian maybe in his worst shape but while posing, he hid his muscle tears and weaknesses very well. There's no controversy.
The only one chance of Nasser were Dorian’s injuries
I don't know where is the controversy here.... Dorian is way drier and conditioned than everyone else... He is winning the most number of mandatory poses
He tore his bicep and tricep on the same arm! Are you kidding me
Just look at them "relaxed" before the number 2 is revealed Dorian as much as I love him got thicker in the abs and next to Nasser with his wheels too is a huge taper difference and okay he's from the back Dorian is nasty but overall package
@@bigjoocy "Just look at them "relaxed" before the number 2 is revealed " and why exactly would I do that? it's the award winning ceremony, the show is already wrapped up, no need for any of them to pose, keep their midsections in check.
The only thing that matters is how Yates and his midsection looked during the actual show when the judges were judging them, during posing.
After re watching this olympia I think it's not as controversial as people think with Dorian winning. Granted the torn bicep looked like shit but the torn tricep is not really noticeable. His gut was slightly distended. His conditioning was still rock solid. Maybe Nasser did just enough but it was not a clear robbery.
Slightly distended ? His arms and legs are shrinking his gut is protruding …. He literally looks like polumbo … I actually count it as the worst Olympia champ of all time. Worse than 80 worse than any of them. terrible.
Yeah close one. In pics I'm always wondering how Dorian won but in videos it's more clear. Had Nasser looked this year like he did a year later then perhaps it's a different story.
@@tumbleweedconnection7906exactly! Dorian has very few good pictures from that show, moreover I had many magazines of that era and Dorian rarely looked superb on most of photos, I don’t know why, maybe his structure is the reason. But on video we can see his advantage even here in 1997, for me 1994 is more Controversial, I would give it to Shawn
Nasser, great proportions but way too soft.
@@tumbleweedconnection7906 that's because youtube channels keep peddling the same photo album and the same 5-6 pictures from the contest where Dorian looks bad, to spark controversy and get some views
If at least one of them went to bb-ing forums they'd find a bigger variety of photo albums, scanned and upscaled even, instead of being lousy content creators that copy paste someone else's video
Giant Nasser. My respects!!
Dorian actually won, it was the right call.
Hell no
I agree, yes Naser looks better in the front poses but I called it 3 for Naser, ,standing relaxed, FDB, and abs and thigh.
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Dorian took all the back shots.
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The side shots could go either way and it’s evident Naser did not Knockout the champ.
Yea, you know, I've been into lifting and fitness my whole life, and have followed this since the early 80's. This is the first time I've actually seen the full comparisons of this contest. I agree with you that Dorian won, and it was the right call.
This was so embarrassing...
They gave it to Dorian with 1 bicep!
as opposed to giving it to Nasser with no back :)
Nasser has good back but not as great as Dorian.... He destroys Yates in other areas
pls not 1 its 0
@@ravsinghrajput2105 oh please, his back is pathetic. Just compare it to the rest of his physique. He had oil in his arms and was not conditioned= loss
the conditioning of Dorian was absolutely insane!
Perhaps not better than Nasser
@@jatinp914 Conditioning? are you sure? It was better than Nasser.
@@jaycutlery yes I think so
@@jaycutleryDorian was uncharacteristically smooth here because he couldn’t pose to harden up going into the show due to his injury he honestly should’ve been lucky to even get 4th here let alone winning it was a clear political gift
@@Chocolatesauce._I disagree he looks just about as conditioned as ever everyone else looks extremely soft compared to him. Maybe not his ideal condition but still elite
Dorian is the driest of them all.
No one can hit that inner leg (sartorius) like the shadow. Short torso/long legs....winner.
Agreed..dorain had the best overall physique ....even with the injury he has it..he looked awesome
1.Kevin Levrone 2.Shawn Ray 3. Lee Priest 4. Nasser El Sonbaty 5.Dorian Yates 6.Paul Dillett
🤣🤣🤣Nasser 1st by far
Except the back *Nasser* defeats *Dorian* in other areas; so Nasser is the clear winner
*Politics:* hold my beer
Actually no , Dorian won most of the mandatories
nope nasser also loses with the legs
Side tricep? Front lat spread? Lol, how much more delusional can you Nasser fanboys get?
Dorian was a four steps over Nasser and two over Shawn..the Yates's greatest win considering the battle with the injuries. Great great great Dorian.
Nasser obviously won
Дориан конечно просто невероятный, но тут так близок к титулу был Эль Сонбати, потрясный конечно атлет был.
Эго обокрали
That is a crazy lineup. Late 90's was so stacked. Early 00's as well.
Damn finally some higher quality footage, so we can actually see how soft most of those guys are 😂 the low quality footage just made them looks 10 times better, specifically those guys like nasser who are not condition. But high quality footage shows us how soft half of his body and back is
Well, video is lying to you! Shawn was PEELED. Nasser looked crazy. CRAZY
To everyone here who says Nasser beat Dorian - look closely - synthol shots in his arms, delts, back... its a well known fact. judges know it too.
Fun fact,more than 30% of professional bodybuilders use Synathol, and the muscle tear that hit Durian's biceps wasn't from
Bicep workout, but from training back 3 times a week
@@زكرياء-عبد-الباسط well thats obviously not a fact
@@topg9028 i know but in that era i gess, not now
Dorian Still manage to be the best on the stage. Sorry for Nasser.
Conditioning 🔥
ПРИЕМАШЕ ВСИЧКО СЪС СЪРЦЕ! 💯 ПОКЛОН ПРЕД НАСЕР СОМБАТИ! ❤️LEGENDARY FOREVER 💯 NASER SOMBATI.!
I agree Lee has the best arms, Paul has the best abdominals and lats, Levrone has the best shoulders, Nasser has the best chest and lines. But the best physique overall, considering volume, density, conditioning and posing was definitly Dorian.
Paul Dillet has the best LATS?
@@WithBACON i spit out my food when i read that as well lol.
Even Even Dorian himself believes that Nassir is the winner here! RIP Nassir!
Реальные результаты Мистер Олимпия 1997:
1 место - Нассер Эль Сонбати
2 место - Кевин Леврони
3 место - Шон Рей
4 место - Пол Диллет
5 место - Дориан Йейтс
6 место - Ли Прист
ИМХО
😂🤣
Реальные результаты давно в истории, а здесь лишь домыслы человека, не совсем разбирающегося в том, что такое пропорции, симметрия, гармония телосложения, наполненность и венозность, жесткость мускулатуры.
Когда мне начинают рассказывать про пропорции, симметрию и гармонию телосложения, как правило, имея ввиду Йейтса без одного бицепса и с вываливающим животом, то мне становится очень жаль таких людей. У них видимо не всё в порядке со зрением или с головой.
Everyone slams Yates who won the show, yet he didn't have a quart of synthetic in his arms like Nasser did. You can compare Nasser 1996 to Nasser 1997 and you'll see the difference in the hardness and cuts in his arms. That and the film of water he was holding overall as well.
dorian has a gut and one arm
nasser poor conditioning ALL OVER and no back
keep coping@@shred9475
@@shred9475 his weaknesses were condensed in a single body part, Nasser was soft all over.
When he turned around he looked bad and unimpressive from the calves to the neck. That's not a "oh he looked bad calves, oh he bad hamstrings" that's the entire physique from top to bottom.
0:04 that's your Mr. Olympia? Mr. Oilman more like.
Mr. Softasabarofsoap
1° - Dorian Yates
2° - Nasser
3° - Shawn Ray
4° - Kevin Levrone
5° - Paul Dillet
6° - Lee Prist
7° - Jean Pierre Fux
8° - Chris Cormier
9° - Ronnie Coleman
10° - Milos Sarcev
THE BIGGEST TOP 10 OS ALL TIME
7 mandatory poses. You need to win only 4 of the 7. People seem to forget that.
1997 MR OLYMPİA CHAMPİONS NASSER EL SONBATY 👑
Better quality video. For all the Nasser fans out there that think he won this quality video shows the quality muscle density, maturity. Muscle separation, graininess and dryness that Yates has over everyone else. I think this video shows that Dorians gut wasn’t as large as stated and hell Levrone has a little one going too.
Yates brought a graininess which made him look like stone. It literally made everyone else look soft. And his back was second to none.
Bodybuildimg show not body shredding show Besides he wasnt insanely grainy Looked so Bad And unssymettrical
Without a doubt Nasser el sonbaty is uncrowned winner of this Mr. Olympia ❤
Nasser's condition was fading fast by this time. I can see why Dorian won, besides the back, he was getting harder (when flexed)
Gotta knock out the champ, nothing else works, Nasser didn't do it
Gotta knock out the judges...
1st place Nasser, 2nd Shawn and 3rd Doryan. Just my opinion.
Yates looks great besides that arm. I honesty didnt know he dominated the other body parts like this. I give nasser the win but it’s closer than I thought.
he had mediocre leg, and bloated gut at that time, he never had a good chest to begin with. He only had a great back, and god level conditioning. He's the first responsible of the bubble gut era, what a legacy.
some of the best natural bodybuilder
Shawn Ray and Lee Priest would be battling for 212 if that class was available back then. Amazing physiques.
Even with one arm missing, Dorian is on next level!!!
4:28 - the conditioning and size difference shows how worthy Yates’ was of his final flawed but deserving victory
It was a gift💀he literally got perfect scores while riddled with injuries and was uncharacteristically smooth from the front torso and rear lower body he didn’t deserve the sandow that year he honestly should’ve been lucky to even take 3rd or 4th but the politics back then was insane
@@Chocolatesauce._ 1. He didn't have perfect scores in 1997
2. 0:55 Smooth in the lower body?
1:15 smooth in the lower body? Hopefully you have a working set of eye balls to realize that his glutes are the most etched out and sunk in, everyone else in that line up has pancake glutes with 0 striations (except for little Shawn at the end)
Of course you're peddling the "it's all politics bro 💀💀💀" while not even possessing the bare bone knowledge on what "perfect scores" even means.
Yates dominated in back, conditionning, insane traps/shoulders, hardeness looking
to me second should be Ray, flawless
Kevin has a better back than Nasser, and match everywhere else, Kevin had choosen to be big and so softer.....
Paul is crazy big and Lee Priest is insane conditionned, insane arms, but small compare to all mass monsters ;
Yates sucks nasser was killing him
@@christophersantiago723 lol
Don't forget Yates calves! Probably the best ever on an Olympia stage!!
Nasser the Dominant and clear cut real winner of this show... What a scar on the sport
🤣
0:05
"clear cut" winner huh? interesting choice of words since there's nothing "cut" about him.
Showing up soft with pancake glutes. You could sustain an entire village in Africa with how much water he held in his physique that day.
@@dj_m19 comically, at 0:05 you can actually see striation in Nasser's left glute, none of which can be seen for Dorian. Dorian still has the best back, but Nasser has the over-all better physique on that day. Dorians arms are just way too bad to be considered the winner. He literally has no left bicep
@@dj_m19 Pause at 3:45 and see Dorian get absolutely smoked by Nasser in the Hands clasped most muscular.
@@heavymetalhero08 is he tho? not only is Nasser soft in that shot, it wasn't even a mandatory pose LOL
Nasser was too soft to beat Dorian
But i want you to think dont you see dorian quads are small wide waist bubble gut
Dorian’s bubble gut though..
glad u see nassers softness but miserably FAIl to see dorians blown out non existent arms, huge pregnant like bubble gut. dorian was lucky to get 3rd if it was scored to reality, but they gave him a parting gift
@Popa dorian had a huge gut and trex arms. Like many mr olympias he also got a few gifts and should have lost some. Ronnie had the same heath also. Its lot of politics and business and not just pure bodybuilding
@Popa well lets agree to disagree. Dorian should have lost to levrone shawn and flex for sure
Holy cow Levrone's side chest is bonkers
I had Nasser winning but if Kevin won, I'd be ok w/ that too.
Who cares what a bunch of stupid judges said ? Nasser al-sanbaty is the mr Olympia in 1997 .
May God have mercy on your soul champ.
💪🏻🍷
I still think that 90s was the most competitive era of bodybuilding.
Nasser deserved it the most
If Lee Priest was 4” taller he would have won several Olympia’s.
Nasser was miserable in the back. Always was his weak point. Greatness
Seriously thats it? just because he had one weak point!!!! so you giving Dorian the title just because he had a good back!!!!! what about Dorian's torn biceps and his awful mid section .
Sonbaty👍 claro ganador mucho más estético y bien proporcionado
Явное превосходство Ятса.Ядерный,жёсткий ,наполненный..Мощь и харизма неповторимые.Толщина спины,икры единственные в мире,красивая форма бедра.Ощущение несокрушимой скалы.Остальные плоские как листы
Lee Priest remains legendary. Amazing proportions and condition.
Ha ha ha, he is a dwarw, he has no proportions...
Lee Priest and Nasser the Best.