SUPER 8 - Super Camera, WIN or LOSE? (Braun Nizo 561 Macro)
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- In this video I am sharing my thoughts on my recent purchase of a Super 8 camera. More specifically the Braun Nizo 561 Macro.
I am curious to get into the Super 8 format and hopeful to step up my video game through its limitations. At the same time I expect the video content produced by it to be more emotional than the digital videos I am creating.
All photos in this video were taken with my Leica M6.
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Hi Markus, thank you so much for your support and plug towards my books, I am very great full and glad you like it and hopefully it will get you all reved up to complete your book that I am really looking forward to see.
Wow Super 8 well that’s on another level all together. Please show us the results when finished.
Ps loving your Fuji Pro400H photos on Instagram, I bought a roll and looking forward shooting with it soon.
Many thanks and keep those great Vlogs coming and we / I really apriciate all the effort that you put in , as you said it takes a few days to put a video together.
Regards,
Dominique.
Thank you Dominique for sending me your book. Looking forward seeing some your photos on Fuji Pro 400h. Wonderful film. Greetings from Switzerland
Hi Marcus,
I wish I could attach some photos but I guess we can’t. I have had the “pleasure” of seeing the inside of the 160 Bolex (took photos too, of course ! ) One detail that can be a turn off for some potential buyers is its sound…..yet it means nothing wrong ! but sounds cheap. All the rest has been very well designed, very cleverly done even the way to throw the trigger lever out of the way when not needed. I bought the first one (model 150 ) in New York during the worst snow storm, I got there by train, walked through the snow, bought two of them at a very low special price and walked back to the train station right away with a big smile on my face. My friend still has his also. Unfortunately it is impossible to find a replacement rubber eyepiece for them as the rubber deteriorated with time. when it comes to the legendary Bolex 8mm cameras I have a 3 lens D8LA a B8L and a .
Now, to me these are the real 8mm cameras that got us all started seriously into quality home movies ( Das ist die Traction avant !!!) It taught us even more than the Super 8 which is the “child” of 8mm but gives us a slightly bigger image and a continuous 50 ft. roll. (not negligeable advantage). Next big thing that came along is the sound projectors !!!! Sooo great ! and these are beautiful machines too …..Enjoy the week-end.
Hi,
You asked for some tips:
1, Don't buy your own film transfer machine! Wolverine and such don't do a good job. It's taking a jpg of the film with a really poor camera.
2, 7203 (50D) is probably your best stock for any exteriors (in Switzerland too). 7219(500T) will be very grainy in S8, though it's a phenomenal stock for 35mm.
3, You can order stock from Kodak directly and probably save a bit of money that way.
4, I don't know about labs in Europe. The Kodak lab in London may do Super8.
5, In the US are several labs. Cinelab in Boston is a good place for processing and transfer. Pro8mm is the go-to place in LA.
6, Don't make the mistake to pay for a 2K transfer as opposed to a1080p HD transfer. Lot's of people do this yet there is absolutely no gain in resolution if it's a 4x3 transfer unless you crop in to 16x9 during the actual transfer. If you want better than HD choose 3K or 4K.
7, Lots of people have tried to equate the resolution of S8 to a video resolution. I think that's tricky. If the film is well exposed, you surely can get a lot out of film stock.
8, Note that most labs have a minimum charge for processing and transfer, so make sure you send enough film at once to not end up paying for nothing.
9, You could process the Kodak B&W (7266) stock yourself. It's reversal but you can process it as a negative and then send it for telecine. I've done that.
10, Ask for a flat (LOG) video transfer. That's your best option to then color grade your own footage. Don't have someone in the lab just slap a LUT on it.
11, The best tool for color grading is DaVinci Resolve which you can download for free (though some advanced options are disabled).
12, Give the guy at the lab a shot of an 18% gray card at the head of every roll and make sure to expose it correctly. It will make your transfers better.
13, Overexposure is better than underexposure on negative film (but I think you know that).
14, Shooting Ektachrome (7294) is more difficult because the exposure has to be very exact.
15, Don't trust the old, buit-in light meter.
16, Most Super 8 cameras use a gel filter as an 85 filter. They can go bad over time. It's safer to use an 85 glass filter on the lens instead.
Hope this helps! Have fun shooting!!!
Hi there. Thank you so much for the comprehensive feedback and tips. I am looking forward to try 50D which I wasn't able to shoot this summer because of the current situation. And also a good hint to ask the lab for a flat scan. DaVinci Resolve is my video editor anyway already. Really so many good tips in your comment. A big thank you!!!
The square format looks soooo cool!
I like the uniqueness of it amongst today's other modern formats. And yes, I am definitely going to get the book.
Thank you both (Marcus & Dominic).
Thank you 🙏
Thank you Marcus ! Glad to know we’re on the same track ! when I vacationed in Evian many years ago I went to the Bolex factory (sort of a pilgrimage !) and talked about the Bolex 150-155 and 160 which were the first ones with Macro. I bought each model one after the other and have finally kept the 160 (with its brand new box). This is a very interesting camera with many inovations (think of the citroen DS…) but it never became a popular camera…too radical, too different from the 8mm and 16 mm Bolex look. They made or I should say sold some models probably made by Eumig but which also are not much on the used market. The 160 can be had for very little money it fits very well in hand and is a pleasure to use. Check it out if you get the chance. The limited zoom range keeps people from going crazy zooming and enables them to get nicer films ! However it does not have the solid german type construcion. Don’t let that fool you however…….
Thank you Roland. I will have a look at the Bolex 160. It’s beautiful how you described it and also nice that you visited the factory. I get a sense for it when you compared it with the Citroen. They definitely also had an era when they built their cars ahead it their time.
I bought one bc I found a really nice video of someone else who did nice footage. haven t used it yet bc it s heavy
Hi ! I assume that by now you must have found out how great the Nizo 561 truly is….I have the very same one. I find it to be the most comfortable camera to use. No worry about corrosion in the body as the batteries are in their separate housing ( very well designed).
Yes the exposure meter takes a special type..My original one still works ! You should be able to find a suitable one. I don’t shoot anymore because of cost but I play with my films which are still like they were 40 years ago ! Now make sure to get a good quality projector like Bolex, Eumig and Elmo. I have been able to obtain satisfying digital copies off my screen. I think I was lucky with the speed of the projector I used ( eumig sound ). Its speed can be roughly adjusted from 18 to 24 and I have it just on 18. I copy with the camcorder as close to the projector as possible and a few inches behind. It takes a lot of practice with the handling of the equipment, focusing and framing. I project no bigger than 8x10.
Enjoy your Nizo, it’s very well made. You should see the inside !!
Thank you. Yes. I truly enjoy the Nizo indeed. Mine doesn’t show corrosion (on the outside at least) so far. I also was able to find a new rubber eye piece. The original one was brittle. A remarkable Super 8 camera.
Great video!
In regards to your comment about the processing fee being included with Kodachrome, it was done as such because Kodachrome's chemical process was at one point done exclusively by Kodak themselves until they were being challenged in US court over monopolization. They eventually contracted out that service to Dwayne's in Kansas until the end of support for Kodachrome processing in 2011
Thanks Michael. One of the viewers
commented on the fees as well. Such a shame we can’t film on Kodachrome anymore.
Your Leica shots are visually amazing! As to Super 8 photography, I've been at it for a couple years and find it very fun and rewarding! I also shoot Regular 8 movies as well and I trust the good people at the Film Photography Project from Fair Lawn, New Jersey to process and scan my motion picture film. Sending my film from Canada to the USA is a bit more costly and the results do take longer, but it's worth it! Michael Rasso and his team are very passionate about film Photography! Best Wishes!
Thanks a lot for watching and your kind words.
The K-40 should only be used as you are clear with where to have it developed. (Lomographic - b/w negative) or really risking it to have that experimentally developed by someone who had some success in re-creating the color-process amateur-style.
Greetings from Toronto.... Thanks for the amazing video .. nicely explained. it helped me for buying a Nizo 801 Camera.
Thanks for watching. Congratulations to your Nizo 801. Enjoy.
HI MARKUS,
As I looked at your Kodachrome 40 I have tried in vain to enlarge the image so I could read the small print but even though I could not I think you may find out that this box contains a “Regular 8mm film” which, ofcourse, won’t fit. I have a model 561 Nizo which I bought because to me it is really a very well engineered camera. I had a 560 before which I used a lot in switzerland, france and Guadeloupe. When you click a Nizo into action everyting you hear and feel tells you “Precision” just like a Rolleiflex and a Leica does for you. as a french born I “had to own a Beaulieu”…..Well, it is also a well designed camera but with a couple of negative issues and for me it just does not compare. I wear glasses and Beaulieu is not for eyeglass wearers !
But coming back to Nizo, I wanted the 561 because of the macro feature. Now I shoot Digital videos…and I know it’s a crime !!!! But let’s face it after you shoot a couple of expensive rolls of movie film you realize that it is not the way to go (at that price)
However owning and having used these cameras makes us feel good, they really are “real film making machines” while camcorders are “video movie machine” that cost virtually nothing to run and provide us with the best way to edit resulting images and sound…and turn out beautifully edited movies with clean titles and the rest. But 8mm and Super * have taught us film making.” Thank you for your video and interest in film making.
Hi Roland. Thanks for watching and your comment. Highly appreciate it. You speak directly to my heart. Especially when you write about film making vs camcorder movie making. I feel the same. You are also right that at the current prices it is impossible to exclusively shoot super 8. So I shoot very selectively. The important moments. Greetings from Zürich
There are no chemicals available to process the Kodachrome cartridge I believe. The last process run for this excellent reversal film was some years ago in the States. If you look at the filmkorn.org/super8data , search for super 8 database, it indicates that the auto exposure on the Nizo 561 camera only goes up to 160 ASA for artificial light exposure so it will not expose your 500 ASA film correctly unless you can resort to manual exposure for this negative film. If you want reversal film, Kodak have re released the 100D film, reversal, daylight at 100 ASA which should work in your camera in daylight with the filter disengaged. Hope that is of some help.
Thanks for watching and for your feedback. I learned in the meantime that the Kodachrome days are over. Although the camera does only support 160ASA I still wanted to try 500T. I am not super disappointed as you can see in the Paris on Super 8 video I posted two weeks back. But I agree. It is not an ideal film for the camera and I probably will stay away from it in the future.
Now i finally came around to watch some of your content, really interesting Journey you are on. Never had the guts to try filming analog.
Cheers Leech. Appreciate it! Maybe you could try analog video for a change.
@@TheMPhotography could surely be an interesting change in my normal stuff :)
How were the results? Regarding your battery issue, you should look into the 1.5v to 1.35v battery adapter so you can use the readily available LR44 batteries. A bit expensive, but if you plan to shoot a lot of Super 8, probably a good investment.
Paul del Rosario thanks a lot! I love the results. You can check out my first Super 8 video on my channel; it’s called “Zürich on Super 8”. The next one is already in the making. I need to look into the battery adapter solution. Thanks for pointing it out 👍🏻
really enjoyed this video! Is the autofocus on the nizo decent or do you always use manual?
Thank you Ed. There is no autofocus. It’s all manual.
Hi, did you finally found where to develop and digitalize in Switzerland? I live in Geneva, recently bought a Nizo 801. I have read that Cinegrell in Zurich does it.
Hi. Thanks for the hint and congratulations to your 801. I haven’t shot Super8 since Jan 2020 :-( Mostly due to little travel since then.
Great project, keep us updated!
Thanks Kilian. I will 😊
Absolute win
Thnks for the info m, question which is better the 561 macro or the s800 ?
Thanks for watching. I am not sure better can be answered in this case. The first two digits stand for the zoom factor (80 has more zoom) and the last digit is the revision. 0 is the older revision. 1 the new macro lens. I hope this helps.
sehr schöne Fotos am Schluss (welchen Film und welche Einstellungen haben Sie verwendet?)
Danke. Ich habe Kodak 250t verwendet und die Kamera auf Automatik belassen. Mit 18 Bildern pro Sekunde.
@@TheMPhotography und ganz am Schluss bei den Bildern, die mit einer analogen Kamera benutzt/gemacht wurden? Welchen Film (Filmrolle) und Einstellungen wurden da gemacht?
Die Fotos sind auf Fuji Pro 400h geschossen. Mit unterschiedlichen Einstellungen. Leider weiss ich die genauen Einstellungen zu den Fotos nicht mehr und da sie analog sind habe ich auch keine EXIF Informationen. Ich habe auch ein ganzes Video zu dem Film. Es ist/war mein Lieblingsfarbfilm. Leider hat Fuji die Produktion eingestellt 😢
@@TheMPhotography Ich habe heute nach dem Film gesucht und es scheint, dass er nicht mehr produziert wird (auf jeden Fall der 35 mm sicher), Wissen Sie mehr dazu?
Ja genau. Leider hat Fuji die Produktion eingestellt. :-(
I love shooting super 8 as well. Cool video. I just uploaded a clip. Keep it up!
Great I just ordered Nizo S55 and I also not sure will it work properly.
Fingers crossed that it will work and have lots of fun with it.
SUPER 8 TIME TRAVELING THE UNIVERSAL TIME REGISTER....
Hey ! Nice to see some outside shots in Neuchâtel on UA-cam ;) Where did you had your film developed and scanned ? I struggle to find anything in Switzerland.
Thanks Noah. I had them developed in Germany at Click & Surr. I struggled to find a place in Switzerland as well :-(
@@TheMPhotography thank’s for the tip, I’ll check them out !
@@TheMPhotography If that’s not to much of a trouble, I’ll gladly take the name of the company which produce the special battery for the camera, I also struggle to find something for my Nizo S8L
I bought the WeinCell PX625 on Amazon.
@@TheMPhotography Hey ! I found some guy in Switzerland to whom you can buy film stock for 37.- pro tape. Let me know if you want the address ;)
Didn’t find any information you told about where to order these rare batteries for the lightmeter. Thank you.
I ordered mine on Amazon.
@@TheMPhotography thank you for the answer. can you advice the type of the batteries, please? thank you.
@@yuriishevchenko9843 WEIN Cell 1.35V Mercury free battery MRB625
@@TheMPhotography thank you!
Hi Markus,I really like you video and your information is too useful for me.I just bought a Nizo 561 recently，but I don't know how to use it yet.Yesterday， I also noticed of auto exposure on the Nizo 561 camera only goes up to 160 ASA.For example, can Kodak 200T film be recognized and used automatically?If I want to use higher speed film, how should I perform manual exposure?I haven't used an 8mm film camera yet，and I do n’t have the instruction manual for Nizo 561 too.So， I'm very confused about this.Can you share some experience with me？Very grateful！
Best regards.
Hao Tong
Hi Hao, congratulations on the Niko 561. It can handle 200T without issues because the film has no problem being a bit overexposed. I have two videos on my channel shot on 200T in case you want to check out the look. You don’t have to do anything special. Just put the film in and start shooting. Sorry for my late response.
Never mind, I am happy to receive your reply.I also like those two videos, and I also noticed that you used 500T film.So I really want to know how to use 500T film for normal shooting.
@@user-nz6xh4vt1v I would stay away from the 500T in this camera. I just tried it to test it out but this camera should be shot with max the 200T. With the 500T you get into pull processing and manual exposure. I don't suggest going down that route.
frrrrrrrrrreak
(The kodachrome has that written because Kodak was the only one who could develop it. Now nobody can :D )
Which is a pity 😪
Hey, quick question! What website did you use to buy your camera?
Hey Les. I bought this one on Facebook marketplace.
The M Photography I just bought myself the Nizo 48! Thanks for the great video, love from Seattle!
Sony PD-150 & NIZO Super 8 at Sheridan College Media Arts '87-'90
What is the fstop of the lens?
I believe it's f/1.8
How loud is the camera when filming?
I have no comparison since it's my first super 8 camera but I haven't thought of it being loud or intrusive so far.
Which one is good the 56 model or 561?
See all the details on the super8wiki website. There are some differences but basically the 561 is newer
Who's going to tell him about Kodachrome...
maybe try "click und surr" they are from Berlin and are super 8 / motion picture Film experts!
Cool. Thanks for the tip. Haven't stubbled across them yet. 🙏
You can’t get Kodachrome 40 developed any more, unfortunately.
Oh no. Really. No chance at all anymore? Such a pity. Then I will just keep it and see if in the future a door opens. Thank for letting me know
The M Photography You can develop it yourself as a black and white negative. The same applies to 35mm Kodachrome film.
@@ianhand5006 oh. I didn't know. Let me look into that. Could also give an interesting look.
Looking forward to seeing this! I got my first Super 8 footage back from the lab a few weeks ago, and I fell in love. It's too expensive to do frequently, but I'm excited to finish my next pack. here's that video: ua-cam.com/video/-xWOpc-vj10/v-deo.html
I love the footage you shot. So looking forward to see what I shot. I just sent in the film today. I think it will be weeks here as well until I will get the results from the lab back. It's very expensive over here in Switzerland and I will not be able to shoot a ton of Super 8 :( I love the emotions these films transport and your film is a good example of that.
Thank you! If it helps with the wait, I was thrilled and felt like it was worth waiting on mine. And worth the expense, thankfully. I'm actually toying with 16mm film a bit now because it's surprisingly a hair cheaper despite the cameras being more expensive overall.
Uh nice. Will follow you on your channel to check out the 16mm footage. Would not have thoughts it to be cheaper.
@@TheMPhotography The super 8 should not be screened for every moment of your life .. But only for important events such as a wedding or a dream vacation .. Maybe in the near future it will cost much less .. I buy everything to scan about 3500 dollars
Definitely not suitable for capturing every moment of ones life. Fully agree