The best review about this camera in the internet! Now I know which Super 8 to buy! Thanks a lot man! Also, please could you kindly help us and share with us the links of the hood adapter, wide angle adapter, and ND filters you mention so we can buy them as well. That would be really appreciated if you could reply or add them in description .. I guess many people would b thankful for that! Thanks again!😍🙏
514XL is highly overpriced and it doesn't have manual exposure. Minolta XL401 is the same form factor, has a much better lens and it has manual exposure. I don't get why so many people choose the 514XL while there are better cameras that are the same size and weight but are just better. I have a 514XL so I can compare.
Can hardly go wrong with a Canon product. Been trying to scare one of these up for a while, but like you said, good, working examples are getting harder to find at anything approaching a reasonable cost. Thank you for sharing your views and your time on this amazing super-8 camera. Happy Holidays.
Thanks for the helpful comment. Does the soft image problem also exist with the Canon XLS models also? Have you by any chance compared with Braun Nizo shutters and image softness for any of theor models? Thanks for any advice!
@@jamesprivet XL shutters have a wider shutter opening. Which means that movement taking place in the "window of exposure" during that one shutter ratation will be more blurred. Any XL or XLS shutters ( the S just stands for "sound") will have a longer exposure time than a a non XL shutter ( 180 degrees or less). If you have ever seen a still image from a high speed camera that shoots thousands of frames per second of a bullet's trajectory path where the bullet looks perfectly still suspended in mid air, you will understand the concept. Now, with moving subjects like people, animals or other objects in motion you don't want the shutter speed to be too fast either or you will get an "animated" look like the original King Kong. In that movie the puppet was not actually moving during exposure because it was posed and left still for each exposure.
My first "real" S8 camera was the 514 XL-s. One day, in the middle of a roll it just stopped advancing the film forward, I later found out that the gear inside the camera is plastic and they wear out. Luckily I picked this camera up for like $15 before S8 was hot again somewhere in the early 2000's. The 514 (non s) doesn't shoot 24 frames which is a deal breaker for people wanting to use the footage to cut into digital or larger format film projects. I agree though, the form factor is amazing and they are so easy to use.
Well said! I've heard so many good things about the canon super 8 cameras. I wasn't able to find one a couple of years ago though. Instead, I got a braun nizo that was also under $100 at the time. What matters is that you have a tool that helps you learn about the medium. The next format I'm eyeing is the 16mm, but I feel like I need to first come up with a project worth shooting before I can justify making the leap
I do love those Nizo cameras, beautiful piece of modern industrial design. 16mm is fantastic, and surprisingly outside of camera expense it's really not much more to dev/telecine for a comparable film length.
I have one. It's great for outdoors, but the camera's ISO only goes to 250. So you lose a stop of light when shooting Kodak 500T. Do you know any camera that goes to ISO 500?
I agree with all you said. Except I am going to be contradicting myself as I am going to be shooting sound film. I'll be using a Braun Nizo Integral 7 at 24fps. The beauty of it is that the camera can use both silent and sound films. Got some AGFA movie chrome sound films to play with and some actors will be doing very short monologues. I'll be doubling up with a TASCAM too so I can still use if the audio is terrible. But I hope to project the sound film as part of a film screening evening in a local theatre. I always say the best Super 8 camera is the one you are using to just get out and do it.
@@NateMatosPhotographer I haven't done it before.This will be an experiment. But in terms of digitizing the magnetic audio, I am checking with the lab as to what the options are for that. They encouraged me to use sound and to play about with it. If all goes well I will be playing the films in a Super 8 projector with sound from the film itself. I am also using a digital recorder (TASCAM) in case it sounds horrible. I have had some fun adding sound to a silent Super 8 film this way. I record at 24fps but still have to play about with the speed in Premiere Pro to sync the audio. I had had reasonable success. I uploaded a clip with brief sound here on my other channel: ua-cam.com/video/jTePCsD19jE/v-deo.html
Can you tell us more about your experience with the 1014? Why you decided to move on from the it. And is it worth paying the extra money for it. Love the channel! Its nice to see a resurgence into Super 8. Thanks.
It's a great camera don't get me wrong. I have a test roll on my channel as well using it. But it's big and bulky. A lot of the heft is due to the sound recording, and different settings that just aren't used in a modern workflow. For example it can do a fade in/fade out. But for me, the cost of doing that in camera doesn't outweigh doing it digitally later and having more flexibility with the footage. Personally I don't see it as being worth it over a camera like the 514 unless you really need that 10x zoom or 24fps.
I had the beaulieu 4008-zmII. I loved it. A hard to hold but was great when mounted on a tripod. I also had a cheap Sear’s focal super 8 - but it didn’t have much exposure control but the macro feature was nice.
Yes, it's a fine little camera. The 514XL is not a late model, it's from 1976. Split image control should be precise, perhaps the viewfinder it's not well corrected to your eyesight if you don't nail sharpness? Your footage seems too fast, perhaps you can slow it down in post so it doesn't look like slapstick?! Or next time order it being scanned in 18fps.
Thanks for the review Nate, I subscribed to your channel and..... watched some of your Super8 footage. The images exude a feeling of nostalgia and tranquillity. Awesome.
Loving your Super-8 channel. Grew up shooting Super-8 in the late 70's and 80's. Had a great Chinon camera for years and a Canon. Eumig projector. Enjoying your films, too. Recently got a bunch of mine tele-cine'd. Always liked Agfa over Koda-chrome stock, although Ekta-chrome pretty good. And faster. Dabbled with Fuji stocks also.
Glad I found your channel, I have a large collection of super 8 cine projectors and movies. I have an original print of Tillie Punctured Romance 1914 featuring Charlie Chaplin, his first appearance on the screen. Subscribed.
Any chance you could link the Amazon pages for the hood and wide angle adaptor? I don’t think the adaptor I found is the correct one. Seems more fish eye than wide.
Nate Matos I do. I got one a few years ago along with a Bell & Howell, a Canon Autozoom 518 and a couple of editing viewers. All for $80 CDN from an estate sale. I’ll take your advice and try myself. But if I can’t I may bug you again. Thanks .
Ah great! Here's the wide angle, or at least a very similar one: www.amazon.com/0-45x-Angle-HFM400-HFM500-Camcorder/dp/B008LYGZ7O/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=43mm+wide+angle+lens&qid=1585189410&sr=8-2 I couldn't find the exact hood, but any 43mm one will work. It's really a personal preference as to design. www.amazon.com/Standard-Sunshade-Olympus-Sumsung-Cleaning/dp/B07R33QSP4/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=43mm+lens+hood&qid=1585189491&sr=8-5
Super helpful thank you!!! I’m looking a getting one of these and this really helped me understand what this model is etc. now off to watch your super 8 films :)
Only 2 cameras are really good Beaulieu 4008 and Leicina Special. This one produces blurry-looking images, the image looks very unprofessional even if you scan in at 6.5k.
love your videos.. i have a elmo 612s xl super 8 camera with the kodak film . i was wondering how can i rig it so i can put it thru the computer.. i dont want to submit the footage over and over to kodak and such and i heard there is a way to process it to digital. .any help would be greatly appreciated if possible thanks.
Just stumbled upon this, thanks for sharing the info! Question regarding the Tungsten/Daylight filter switch: if I shoot with Kodak 50D film, I should put the switch so I see the sun icon?
6:27 Can you please explain the need for that accessory when you can just crop to 16:9 in post production? Also, would having that attachment on dilute some of the video quality?
i found a good offer at local shop for the 310xl, would you suggest it? I do already film photography (shooting, developing and printing) and looking forward to start doing some video, so my needs are basic but with an eye on quality. Thanks!
Could you do a side by side test with the android app which is Super 16 by Dmitry Shatilov as this does super 8 etc and a normal Super 8 camera and get 500T film and video the exact same scene and compare to see if the app is like the actual film.
The best review about this camera in the internet! Now I know which Super 8 to buy! Thanks a lot man! Also, please could you kindly help us and share with us the links of the hood adapter, wide angle adapter, and ND filters you mention so we can buy them as well. That would be really appreciated if you could reply or add them in description .. I guess many people would b thankful for that! Thanks again!😍🙏
Where did you buy it?
A local camera store.
514XL is highly overpriced and it doesn't have manual exposure. Minolta XL401 is the same form factor, has a much better lens and it has manual exposure. I don't get why so many people choose the 514XL while there are better cameras that are the same size and weight but are just better. I have a 514XL so I can compare.
Can hardly go wrong with a Canon product. Been trying to scare one of these up for a while, but like you said, good, working examples are getting harder to find at anything approaching a reasonable cost. Thank you for sharing your views and your time on this amazing super-8 camera. Happy Holidays.
The problem with XL shutters is that they soften the image. And this camera only goes up to 18 fps.
Thanks for the helpful comment. Does the soft image problem also exist with the Canon XLS models also? Have you by any chance compared with Braun Nizo shutters and image softness for any of theor models? Thanks for any advice!
@@jamesprivet XL shutters have a wider shutter opening. Which means that movement taking place in the "window of exposure" during that one shutter ratation will be more blurred. Any XL or XLS shutters ( the S just stands for "sound") will have a longer exposure time than a a non XL shutter ( 180 degrees or less). If you have ever seen a still image from a high speed camera that shoots thousands of frames per second of a bullet's trajectory path where the bullet looks perfectly still suspended in mid air, you will understand the concept. Now, with moving subjects like people, animals or other objects in motion you don't want the shutter speed to be too fast either or you will get an "animated" look like the original King Kong. In that movie the puppet was not actually moving during exposure because it was posed and left still for each exposure.
My first "real" S8 camera was the 514 XL-s. One day, in the middle of a roll it just stopped advancing the film forward, I later found out that the gear inside the camera is plastic and they wear out. Luckily I picked this camera up for like $15 before S8 was hot again somewhere in the early 2000's. The 514 (non s) doesn't shoot 24 frames which is a deal breaker for people wanting to use the footage to cut into digital or larger format film projects. I agree though, the form factor is amazing and they are so easy to use.
Well said! I've heard so many good things about the canon super 8 cameras. I wasn't able to find one a couple of years ago though. Instead, I got a braun nizo that was also under $100 at the time. What matters is that you have a tool that helps you learn about the medium. The next format I'm eyeing is the 16mm, but I feel like I need to first come up with a project worth shooting before I can justify making the leap
I do love those Nizo cameras, beautiful piece of modern industrial design. 16mm is fantastic, and surprisingly outside of camera expense it's really not much more to dev/telecine for a comparable film length.
I have one. It's great for outdoors, but the camera's ISO only goes to 250. So you lose a stop of light when shooting Kodak 500T. Do you know any camera that goes to ISO 500?
Nizo 6080 is an good camera for that.
KODAK 500 T
I'm going to call you SuperN8.
Great video! Thank you for the detail and advice! Struggling to find a wide angle lens adapter, can you add an amazon link? Many thanks!
I agree with all you said. Except I am going to be contradicting myself as I am going to be shooting sound film. I'll be using a Braun Nizo Integral 7 at 24fps. The beauty of it is that the camera can use both silent and sound films. Got some AGFA movie chrome sound films to play with and some actors will be doing very short monologues. I'll be doubling up with a TASCAM too so I can still use if the audio is terrible. But I hope to project the sound film as part of a film screening evening in a local theatre. I always say the best Super 8 camera is the one you are using to just get out and do it.
How are you dealing with the sound sync and Telecine? I've always assumed the magnetic audio track would be hard to digitize.
@@NateMatosPhotographer I haven't done it before.This will be an experiment. But in terms of digitizing the magnetic audio, I am checking with the lab as to what the options are for that. They encouraged me to use sound and to play about with it. If all goes well I will be playing the films in a Super 8 projector with sound from the film itself. I am also using a digital recorder (TASCAM) in case it sounds horrible. I have had some fun adding sound to a silent Super 8 film this way. I record at 24fps but still have to play about with the speed in Premiere Pro to sync the audio. I had had reasonable success. I uploaded a clip with brief sound here on my other channel: ua-cam.com/video/jTePCsD19jE/v-deo.html
Can you tell us more about your experience with the 1014? Why you decided to move on from the it. And is it worth paying the extra money for it. Love the channel! Its nice to see a resurgence into Super 8. Thanks.
It's a great camera don't get me wrong. I have a test roll on my channel as well using it. But it's big and bulky. A lot of the heft is due to the sound recording, and different settings that just aren't used in a modern workflow. For example it can do a fade in/fade out. But for me, the cost of doing that in camera doesn't outweigh doing it digitally later and having more flexibility with the footage. Personally I don't see it as being worth it over a camera like the 514 unless you really need that 10x zoom or 24fps.
Not me pausing the video at 4:23 because I thought I got an email while watching this at work. lmao
I had the beaulieu 4008-zmII. I loved it. A hard to hold but was great when mounted on a tripod. I also had a cheap Sear’s focal super 8 - but it didn’t have much exposure control but the macro feature was nice.
Aren’t 814, 814 XL or even 1014 XL better?
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Yes, it's a fine little camera. The 514XL is not a late model, it's from 1976. Split image control should be precise, perhaps the viewfinder it's not well corrected to your eyesight if you don't nail sharpness? Your footage seems too fast, perhaps you can slow it down in post so it doesn't look like slapstick?! Or next time order it being scanned in 18fps.
Great video, I like your authenticity man.
Where did you get the camera
Thanks for the review Nate, I subscribed to your channel and..... watched some of your Super8 footage. The images exude a feeling of nostalgia and tranquillity. Awesome.
Loving your Super-8 channel. Grew up shooting Super-8 in the late 70's and 80's. Had a great Chinon camera for years and a Canon. Eumig projector. Enjoying your films, too. Recently got a bunch of mine tele-cine'd. Always liked Agfa over Koda-chrome stock, although Ekta-chrome pretty good. And faster. Dabbled with Fuji stocks also.
Glad I found your channel, I have a large collection of super 8 cine projectors and movies. I have an original print of Tillie Punctured Romance 1914 featuring Charlie Chaplin, his first appearance on the screen. Subscribed.
Do you have any recordings with this camera?
The whole story was so interesting. I was thinking to get some shots for skateboarding with a 8mm cam.
Were can i found a super 8 camera ?
Any chance you could link the Amazon pages for the hood and wide angle adaptor? I don’t think the adaptor I found is the correct one. Seems more fish eye than wide.
Are you using a 514xl? Generally I just search for the filter size + hood. But happy to go find those accessories if you've got a 514.
Nate Matos I do. I got one a few years ago along with a Bell & Howell, a Canon Autozoom 518 and a couple of editing viewers. All for $80 CDN from an estate sale. I’ll take your advice and try myself. But if I can’t I may bug you again. Thanks .
Ah great! Here's the wide angle, or at least a very similar one: www.amazon.com/0-45x-Angle-HFM400-HFM500-Camcorder/dp/B008LYGZ7O/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=43mm+wide+angle+lens&qid=1585189410&sr=8-2
I couldn't find the exact hood, but any 43mm one will work. It's really a personal preference as to design. www.amazon.com/Standard-Sunshade-Olympus-Sumsung-Cleaning/dp/B07R33QSP4/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=43mm+lens+hood&qid=1585189491&sr=8-5
@@NateMatosPhotographer thanks for sharing this!
Super helpful thank you!!! I’m looking a getting one of these and this really helped me understand what this model is etc. now off to watch your super 8 films :)
Great info. Been into Super 8 for decades. All my best stuff has been on my 514. But I love my 814 and S2008, too!
Right on!
Only 2 cameras are really good Beaulieu 4008 and Leicina Special. This one produces blurry-looking images, the image looks very unprofessional even if you scan in at 6.5k.
Very helpful.
love your videos.. i have a elmo 612s xl super 8 camera with the kodak film . i was wondering how can i rig it so i can put it thru the computer.. i dont want to submit the footage over and over to kodak and such and i heard there is a way to process it to digital. .any help would be greatly appreciated if possible thanks.
Just stumbled upon this, thanks for sharing the info! Question regarding the Tungsten/Daylight filter switch: if I shoot with Kodak 50D film, I should put the switch so I see the sun icon?
What kind of film does it take? Will it do ektachrome 100d?
How do find syncing a 48hz audio track with footage shot on this super 8 camera? Do you get a constant FPS on this camera?
Where can you develop and process super 8?
Dwayne's Photo, Kansas, fouded 1956.
Please see Wikipedia page
what kind of ND filter do you suggest for a 1014 XL?
Can you point me in the right direction to finding this camera? I’ve had zero luck.
6:27 Can you please explain the need for that accessory when you can just crop to 16:9 in post production? Also, would having that attachment on dilute some of the video quality?
Looking into getting a lens hood as well but I’m not familiar with the different models. Do you have some recommendations to look out for on ebay?
do you recommend me to buy one on eBay that is not tested?
I’m looking into buying a super 8 camera and this video has been super helpful
Great video Nate. Where did you find the wide adaptor so cheap? I can only find a couple between $1-300.
shutter speed 18 fps?
Is it possible to change lenses in this camera? All the best from Eastern Europe! :-)
No, not on this camera.
Can someone tell me what's the average price for this model?
here in the US it's around $200-250
Is it auto exposure/ Appetture or do you need to check and adjust every time before shooting ? Great video btw
All auto.
I have a canon 310xl is there a big difference if I upgrade to the 514xl is it worth the investment?
i found a good offer at local shop for the 310xl, would you suggest it? I do already film photography (shooting, developing and printing) and looking forward to start doing some video, so my needs are basic but with an eye on quality. Thanks!
@@marcofragomeni9914 I’ve only used it once but I gotta say the results we’re amazing with the 310xl definitely a good purchase for me
@@parwaiskarem thanks man! Do you perhaps have some samples done with it uploaded somewhere?
@@marcofragomeni9914 there’s bunch of videos on UA-cam you can checkout
Could you do a side by side test with the android app which is Super 16 by Dmitry Shatilov as this does super 8 etc and a normal Super 8 camera and get 500T film and video the exact same scene and compare to see if the app is like the actual film.
its not
fun fact decent cameras have nd filters build it...
And if you are not stupid you will buy a camera at a price much lower then then a cartige.
Get to the point.