United Earth government = Earth's ruling government United Federation of Planets = A multi-cultural galactic power which United Earth is a member of Starfleet = The fleet which is used for exploration and defense of the Federation :)
@Beyonder No, we should just remain squabbling tribes armed with nuclear weapons and disparate goals on a small planet with finite resources. That is surely the way towards human prosperity and survival for millennia to come. That's working out so well for us now, isn't it? 🙄
@@mbogucki1 Dude, bats and raccoons have brought all the governments to their knees. Same with our vaunted medical technology. Do you really think a "world government" would have done any better?
@Elron Why would a world government try to wipe out two of the most contributant regions in terms of taxes and wealth? That would make no fucking sense, it would be like the US federal goverment trying to exterminate the people of Texas or California just because they are rich.
Fun Fact: Very early in TOS, there is a reference to Starfleet being under the auspices of the “United Earth Space Probe Agency”. This later became the Federation, and that agency was never mentioned again.
UESPA was actually brought up in Voyager and Enterprise The Friendship One probe was launched by them in the Voyager episode of the same name, and the UESPA Logo appeared alongside Starfleets in the Enterprise episodes Demons and Terra Prime at the Coalition signing
Ok, just a nitpick here: The United Federation of Planets is abbreviated as UFP, not UFoP. Prepositions such as "of" are generally not included in abbreviations of proper nouns. But more importantly, the "o" is completely omitted in Alpha canon and all near-Alpha canon sources (such as the technical manuals).
Beat us both by several months :) but yes, I had noticed that as well. To be honest, this is the first time I've ever seen someone abbreviate it as such, it's always been UFP otherwise.
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Thanks for this! As a Canadian I get super annoyed when the UFP isn't thought of as a federation of members, but as a body ruled and dominated by Earth. I always found this a very American-style type of thinking about cooperation. Present analogies would be equating England with the UK (dismissing, Scotland, N Ireland, etc); or New York with America (dismissing 49 other states).
For all practical purposes, Starfleet and the UFP are dominated by Earth. The political/and military heart of the Federation is located on Earth and even in the case where a Federation President is non-human, their top political and military advisors tend to overwhelmingly be humans.
@@TheLAGopher I just don't think that can be the intention of the show. The answer has to be: it's a show created by humans and it's impractical to create so many aliens in modern times; and in the 60s, they just didn't think about it.. Anything less than that is an empire, not a federation. And practically, with 100s of planets, hundreds of members and hundreds of members pieces, just not possible. There simply are not enough humans; nor enough gullible species to agree to that. Your interpretation would mean that planets who are more advanced, give up their powers and jurisdiction to Earth, but I have never heard this language in ST. In fact I have heard the opposite: combining strengths. Your interpretation is a "pax americana," which is an empire in a prettier dress. The underlying principle of Roddenberry's vison can't be humans are that arrogant and self-centered and deserve to be so.
@@TheLAGopher I totally get your point of view, but I agree it doesn't really make sense for what the federation is supposed to be. And TBH if your description was the case, it would destroy the whole Star Trek vibe I have been on since I was a kid. Interesting thought experiment: had this show been created in the EU, what would the "federation" look like? I think very, very different. I think an important trick with speculative fiction is to try an write/create free of your prejudices and biases. I think the nature a person born, raised and nurtured in the American cultural milieu makes it hard to envision an actual federation--it's just not where they come from. Star Trek still offers enough that I can suspend my disbelief and ignore the obvious American exceptionalism silliness at its core. But if that was ever said out loud (came pretty close with Enterprise), that would be it for me and I think it would lose the international phenomenon claim to fame it has had since the 60s.
I'm just gonna point out Vulcan and Andoria still kept their fleets. A Mirror Darkly dossier on Archer shows he is an honorary member of Starfleet. Archer rummaging through Daniel's database showed a 31st century version of a Vulcan cruiser. There is Vulcan science vessel in DS9. In Discovery Michael Burnham was supposed to join the Vulcan Expedionary Group upon graduation but racism within the Vulcan Science Academy prevented that as they want only one of Sarek's children. We all know Spock rejected joining the Vulcan Science Academy. In the Kelvin timeline it was over insulting his mother. So Earth Starfleet got federalized into Federation Starfleet and as a consequence kept United Earth's anti-Human Augment policies. As seen in TNG on a Federation outpost it is legal to do genetic enhancement of children.
I always thought there were five (5) founding members of the "UFP". 5. Vulcans 4. Tellarites 3. Humans - Earth (Sol III) 2. Andorians 1. Alpha Centaurians Maybe I am wrong here... LLAP
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So in the movies and show it seems as if the federation president is also the president of earth as well. somewhere down the line, did the united earth presidency fold into the UFP or did it still exist?
So basically the Federation is like the European Union and Starfleet either is like NATO or a single unified EU military. For example Earth is part of the Federation much in the same way Belgium is part of the European Union.
Trekkie down under pretty much. It's a better analogy than the United States, because as with the EU, Federation members are still independent enough to have their own separate ambassadors and military, whereas as far as I know the various US states don't send ambassadors anywhere or have separate military forces
the European Union is a better example for what the Federation is however. The United States does have an ambassador for each state in a matter of speaking. each state has a senator and other members of the federal government that represent there States beliefs and best wishes. and each state does have a military in a manner of speaking each state has a National Guard Army & Air their primary purpose is to assist the state in natural disasters as well as be used in the defense if we were to ever be invaded by a foreign power.
@@anthonycunningham8116 there is a civilian volunteer program called The national guard They go through basic boot camp then afterwards two weeks a year they go and train; for emergency response for during national emergencies to evacuate the civilian population and the state Governor can ask for the national guard to reinforce law enforcement in areas where need be majority of the time they have stun guns and plastic handcuffs they do not carry actual military weapons unless it's gone through the proper channels in Washington. 🤠
So will we be seeking the Bajor model? What about the possibility of a hard border on Cardassia? And will we be remaining in the Federation customs union?
If Federation is 8 000 light years across. And Voyager was 70 000 light years away from Earth, that is 70 years of maximum speed. How could that work? Fastest ship in fleet takes almost 9 years to fly across? How Enterprise even got to Farpoint station from Jupiter shipyards and than to Romulan DMZ? Flagship finished it's first mission just under 10 years?
Ok as much as I’m a Trekkie I notice in the video game footage there was saluting but in the shows no one salutes anyone so what gives. Is there saluting in Starfleet or no?
Where did the scenes at Starfleet Academy come from I mean i know they're from STO I'm playing it and I'm a fleet admiral so I was wondering at what point in the game us that cut scene
I like to think that the United Earth headquarters is in Switzerland because of how neutral Switzerland is, there wouldn't be any lingering resentment. My next guess though would be New York because thats where the UN headquarters is, and the United States is an important country in the world.
Well Paris and San Francisco are already taken up by the Federation so Zurich would be a pretty decent place. However would Switzerland's neutrality matter? I mean this is the 24th century, do they really care that their headquarters are in a country that was once neutral?
So if the government of Earth change to become the ueg and its main Defense Force become the UNSC. Starfleet would still be its own entity? Would they be okay with the new change of government on Earth and be able to coexist
Follow-up question: Regarding The Maquis members of the Voyager crew: Were they considered "Federation" people? Clearly they weren't considered "Starfleet," especially in the first couple seasons.
It depends. Not all colonies are members of the federation, though we can presume that colonies turned over to the Cardassians where, in fact, Federation colonies because everything else makes little to no sense. So a lot of the Maquis would be Federation Citizens. However, as Bajor is not a member of the UFP, we can presume that at least some of the Bajorans weren't, though I'd assume if they lived on a federation colony they were most likely federation citizens. I mean, I'd assume people from non-memeber species can apply for federation citizenship. Seska definitely wasn't a federation citizen. (Also you can get into Starfleet without being a citizen.)
It's really not complicated. The UFP is an intergalactic version of federal or confederal states such as the USA, or possibly the EU given that it's member world's still also maintain independent military forces and ambassadors, in addition to contributing to Starfleet. Earth, Vulcan or Bajor are to the UFP as California, Texas or Florida are to the USA
I have always seen it as an intermediate step between usa and eu; its got unified service, but members are still seperate enough to warrant ambassadors.
By the end of DS9 it is understood that Bajor is on the cusp of membership. By the time STO gets going, Bajor is a well established member. Memory Alpha says Bajor joined the Federation in 2369. We know that the last episode of DS9 was sometime between 2366 and 2368.
Can we talk for a second about the Star Trek Fleet Command advert or whatever tf that mobile game was? “How to dominate the galaxy in three easy steps! Step 1: Choose Kirk as your captain.” I paused the ad right there. (a) The Federation doesn’t dominate ANYONE. We’re well past the desire to dominate. (b) Kirk would NOT support someone’s plan for “domination.” The man embodies the ideals of the Federation: egalitarian, peace-minded, force only to stabilize a situation and resume talks, help thine enemy and they may become a friend. He wanted to rescue the Warbird’s crew in Balance of Power. The Federation has lasted this long partially because it doesn’t dominate or go to war over a misunderstanding, even a violent one. It seeks to talk and understand, firing weapons only if the other side has no interest in diplomacy - and then renewing talks once they are. Ads like that are why we’re nowhere near ready for a post-scarcity utopia. We’d form the Terran Empire.
I think I still need educating further. One thing I never understood is the concept that Starfleet (initially a human entity) gets absorbed into the Federation as the defacto navy... In ST the bulk of the fleet has a human aesthetic yet we know that other races maintained a sovereign fleet? Does the UE have its own dedicated fleet it can deploy or has earth surrendered it's defence wholly to the federation? And why do we rarely see other races contribute vessels to Starfleet? Also, what would happen if the federation dissolved? Would Starfleet revert to a Human organisation and retain the fleet even though the ships are essentially a UFP... Help me 🙏🤯
Craig Jackson the concept of the Federation basically means that in return for forming and maintaining the UFP, earth gives up what the other member planets still have. I can't explain it any better.
Well, irl its make up of course. Even "simple" vulcan makeups arent cheap. But In universe, perhaps crews are predominantly sinhle specie because its easier to set the life support. And even though Starfleet takes care of most things, member still hsve their own ships; there are (ironically human named) Apollo class vulcan ships in ds9, the Jellyfish in JJ-trek, and the Earth ship SS Russian-sounding-name-i-cant-remember in early TNG
Dave102693 Not necessarily. There is nothing to stop Earth, as a member world on exactly the same terms as Vulcan or Andoria, maintaining its own fleet to police the Sol system and other human colonies, but the assumption seems to be that as Starfleet has so many facilities in Human Territory, it's kind of pointless. As for what happens if the Federation ever collapsed, I believe Earth basically transferred ownership of Starfleet to the Federation as an entity and would have to form it's own fleet. It might get a share of the assets proportional to its contribution to Starfleet upkeep, but probably so would all Federation members.
Could you possibly compare the Earth Alliance from b5 to United Earth? I find there were a lot of similarity between the two. Cocky and arrogant but for completely different reasons.
I’m not sure it was your intention, but the way you presented this it sounds like the influence of Earth is disproportionate over the government and military of the UFP, and considering the high number of humans in Starfleet, seems to be true in practice. Can absolutely see how accusations of human dominance of the UFP could hold weight. I know I’ll get yelled at for this but I think the UFP uses soft power where the Terran Empire uses hard power. The Klingons in Disco had a point. I recognise this will be an unpopular opinion.
It needs to be pointed out that.. Starfleet did not adopt the Enterprise arrowhead symbol until after the events depicted in the movie "The Voyage Home" in which the Enterprise crew, in a stolen Klingon bird of prey, time travelled back to the mid/late twentieth century to find humpback whales in order to return said whales to their (in universe) present so that the "probe" could receive its expected response and discontinue its destruction of the planet Earth. Starfleet honoured this extraordinary effort by adopting the Enterprise's symbol universally. Until that time, all starfleet ships had their own symbols which were displayed on the left breast of their respective crewmen. What symbology was used by starfleet until that time? IDK. It is likely that the Enterprise arrowhead will have been "retconned" into the past in order to make the mistakes and ignorance of casuals and non-fans fit the expectations of those... "people".
Assuming the United Earth government is secular, I strongly wonder how they got the various religions and their theocracies to go along with that, a step which seems to *very* far off in today's reality.
Antimony Cup considering a huge fractional population was lost during World War 3, it's likely that little in the way of truly organized religions survived just as little in the way organized governments survive. Also, are in fact secular and even in the past governments tended to be secular with a distinctive divide between the church and head of state.
Well, you say that, but some religions even today tend to bring problems pure out of the doctrine alone, not having much organized or centralized structure as it is.
Antimony Cup They simply annihilated religion. All starting with Khan, who hated religion, all the way to the Vulcans, that made most religion crumble because we were no longer the chosen ones. The few survivors adapted but at the end faded away.
DrewLSsix the Catholic Church at least still exists -Phlox talks about attending mass at the Vatican and in one of the books, the Federation president circa 2380 has a meeting with the Pope.
Anthony Cunningham I’d imagine that any Christians - or any other religion - would mostly act like the Cultural Atheist Jew, not really believing in god, but going along with the traditions and rituals for cultural reasons.
Good vid man. Some surprising things. The first proof of extra terrestrial was the vulcans. Thats going from 0 to 120 in a city block. Guess that Europa thing came up dry. I'm kind of surprised the headquarters was given a permanent home on any of the participating planets. Just to make sure a perceived preference can't form in both member planets and potential members. Also think it could be a unifying experience developing a headquarters on a neutral planet. Like what earth did with the ISS. Just on a larger scale. Liked and subscribed and looking forward to the next 1.
It’s important to note that the reason we mostly see humans in Starfleet is not because aliens are weird, but because there’s not enough budget to fill the ships with Tellarites and Andorians. But really there must be ships where even humans are a minority
I always thought it was because humans are insane and aliens are very happy to let them do the suicide that is joining Starfleet. Every alien that joins Starfleet is insane by the metric of their people.
From what I've noticed in this and other vids with similar themes, there don't appear to be any non-humanoid species that are members of the Federation. Did I overlook them? Are homo sapiens the only Earth-born members of the Federation, or are cetaceans (whales and dolphins) included? Have we developed a way to communicate with each other, or are humans still slaughtering our brothers and sisters of the seas? And what was required to convince humans to work together, rather than tearing our species apart (as we've done for thousands of centuries)? Do any videos exist that provide a detailed history of our species from the 20th century -- with its bloody, genocidal conflicts -- to the 24th century?
The human race learned to work together as a result of first contact with Vulcan causing humanity to see Earth as the human homeworld for the first time. The Vulcans provided reconstruction aid and diplomatic assistance as the various Earth coalitions rebuilt the world after WWIII and slowly formed a unified planetary government with Australia being the last nation to sign on. As far as Cetaceans went, humanity drove the humpback whale to extinction in the early 21st century. By the 23rd century, with the reintroduction of the Humpback whale to Earth's ecology, the Federation had recognized basic inalienable rights for cetaceans.
@@TheLAGopher Fascinating!! Any episodes or books discussing human/cetacean communication? Can the two species "speak" to each other in the 24rd century?
I didn't like that video either. To claim that the Federation is fascist is to clearly ignore the avaible facts. Although, knowing Matpat, that was probably the intention
Alex Ray Matpat isn't a fan of the series. He is obsessed with star wars and is one of those fans who refuses to like both shows and would rather hate on trek. He pretends to be unbiased but he really is. I'm still a fan tho but it's pretty obvious
How I think the United earth is sorted is each nations parliment or congress still has local devolved authority within their own territory and the supreme authority is UE government. Similar to How the U.K. deals with its territory Scotland wales and northern irland has its own power but the primary authority is the parliament, but what is the upper chamber in the earth government lords? Senate? Didn’t the cardssians civilian republic join after the war ?
Marcus W my thoughts exactly -there is reference to various 'national' institutions and events enduring even in the era of the UE and the UFP-after the Breen attack San Francisco in DS9, non canon sources refer to a visit to the city by the PM of Earth, the UFP president AND the President of the United States, and there is reference to the British still having a royal family and events such as the Olympics still occurring. Some level of local identity seems to persist on Earth even if it's just powerless focuses for local tradition. Of course it would be interesting to see what power remains in the hands of say the US government in the 24th century. If the UFP basically regulates commerce and trade between members and it's 'economic' relations with non UFP members (not that the economics of the 24th century is comparable to today), and presumably regulates Starfleet in a similar manner to how NATO is run, and one would assume cajoles its members into shared foreign policy goals, then the Earth government must presumably mirror those duties at a lower level not claimed by the UFP in human territory So for example UE presumably regulates relations between Earth and it's colonies, regulates it's resources and ensures all areas adhere to UE and Earth laws, and presumably polices the Human territories with its own separate military. What about the subdivisions of Earth then? Is the US Congress just a glorified city government maintaining the local schools and public transporters? What about the States, or the lower levels of government such as counties or city government? How many layers of government does the average human have to deal with?
Anthony Cunningham I think the UE is assume it’s like a more intense version of the European Union each member has mostly total authority, over its own affairs, except for freedom of movement, trade inside the block (Eu market) trade policy, trade tariffs etc etc (Let’s ignore that the U.K. is leaving and many nations inside the EU is getting angry of being told what to do by unelected officials and more members are threatening to leave if things don’t change) So I think it’s how it goes is 1.each nation more or less sets it’s own internal laws, in their own systems of government. (But all are democracy’s as it’s the 22nd-24th century) so their president or prime ministers are still pretty powerful. 2. ALL earth nations are members of the UE (like their are members of the Eu) they have overall laws that must be adhered to as members like execution is strictly forbidden under any circumstances, right to health care blah blah. Internal trade policy (internal to Earth) 3. The president of earth is actually the president of the UE commission (like their is a president of the EU (European Union) parliament however I’m assuming this UE (United earth) is elected by the members of the United earth parliament. not the people themselves. The people vote for UEMP (United earth members parliament who they then vote for the president/leader) that’s how it works in a parliamentary system. please note i can’t see a total presidential system working here it’s too complex. 4. The president of the UE (United earth) remember voted in by the elected members of United earth parliament (I’m assuming each nation is aloud a certain amount) has power but only limited by what the members of the UE Will give them, it’s not a good idea for the UE president to get too power happy as members might withdraw. (Like the U.K. from the Eu) 5. all world leaders of each nation meet up every so often have summits to discuss internal matters and courses of action can be taken legislative agendas set (i am assuming each president/ prime minister of nations has veto power or the others can’t without majority) 6. Star fleet is NATO, all members of earth contribute a set amount of their GDP (whatever economy’s are like them) to defence like 2% min is required by natio except only the USA and the U.K. meet that target and then some 7. The federation is like the UE but on interstellar scale but has absolutely no authority to interfere with the internal governments of each world (their not that’s said in Star Trek it’s extremely forbidden) but all members must stick to certain rules and those rules can only be changed by majority of members voting. but each world appoints!!! Not elects members to serve as their represetiuvies of the fed. This is the only way I can see a United earth government working so it’s not actually a government per say! It’s more a united member government but with very limited power to affect anything on a global scale Each nation USA U.K. France, Germany Australia etc all still Retain pretty much total authority of their own internal affairs. And still have prime ministers and presidents. But it’s politics so I have no doubt even in the future certain members have a lot more power than others like the USA and the U.K. have far more than say Jamaica or New Zealand (no shade to them) So each nation in its collective form as one coming together serves as the legislative (makes the laws) and the UE parliament is the executive (lords or The Senate the regulatory upper chamber) And the federation is a very light federal alliance but not government more a let’s all get along and be friends collective defence trade etc but with totally no interference inside each planet) Their are still nation elections, and then their are UE elections where people elect their members to serve for them in the UE parliament and those elected members elect a president. You can bet your ass a lot of internal lobbying goes on lol. They was long lol but I think that’s it it works. It makes sense
Marcus W not a bad idea. Basically it would work by the Federation simply having a law that states "any power to legislate, specifically delegated by the members to the Federation, shall be presumed to remain with the members, to use as they wish except in such times where said law contradicts the articles of this charter" And then the UE constitution cam have exactly the same rule for the nations of Earth, effectively stating they can pass any law provided they do not contradict the rights and powers delegated to Earth and the Federation in their respective charters and constitutions
Anthony Cunningham well you clearly are much better than me you condensed that into two short paragraphs lol but yeah exactly I just don’t see a total supreme global government.
I have to wonder where the Capital of the United Earth is located. I would imagine that it would be in Paris for simplicity sake given that Paris is also the capitol location of the UFP.
That does make sense. A city of like age and cultural significance that is also fairly close by would make for a great location for what is essentially a " regional " governing body.
You guys do know the Federation didn't exist in actual Star Trek scripts until they filmed Journey to Babel later in season one. Kirks crew was part of a human starfleet representing United Earth and Colonies. As Kirk put it vaguely to the USAF major, a combined service. The only Federation mentioned before 1967 was Balocks Federation, and furure Earth definitely would not amount to anything but a third world mud hut culture to Balock's people. Oh and Spock was an oddball in Starfleet. He's the only token alien you see in the banlon shirt, and he was there only because of his human Mom. Oh BTW, they even hadn't settled on the 23rd century before season two. 200 years in the future, 700 years in the future, 300 years: all were bantered about in scripts.
Yes, in Space Seed, they said Khan had been asleep two centuries. Assuming that's a case of rounding, you put it to the early 23rd century since Khan was described as from the "late 1990's". The 2270's would, however, be stretching a "two centuries" estimate. Squire of Gothos described Trelane's late 18th / Earth 19th century decor as being from 900 years ago, in accordance with the planet supposedly being 900 light years from Earth and assuming he'd been viewing Earth through a mechanism that pulled images at the speed of light. Early 19th century is more likely, since he did mention the death of Alexander Hamilton in 1804. It's not uncommon when shows get up and running for some things to not line up as they are presented later. They need to get the early episodes written and filmed in time to air and often the series bible is a work in progress. Note how The Enemy Within never brings up shuttle craft.
I love the real classified true story and the classification of the actual version of this although Hollywood version of it was nicely done in a way that it meet govt guidelines. 👍👍👍. United earth however in reality way back then some 10,000 yrs ago and beyond that had one solid govt the United earth Alliance but it was not ruled by a prime minister but a king. Shasta mt. In California is the military base of the UEA and D.C. was the king govt state capital. This is when the landlocked were still present. Now history and book and so on has made many different claim of different story that are just mix conceptions.
If this "United Earth" government and it's mythical Prime Minister were canon you'd think they'd have been in the DS9 episode where Starfleet pushes for marshall law on Earth after Red Squad knocks out the power to make people fear the changelings. There wasn't any mention of a United Earth government or its leadership.
Okay, if Starfleet is the 'blacksky' space navy, do the member worlds still maintain their own system security service? Some novels have depicted this, but never in a show AFAIK. Also, we see hardly any representation of the other founding worlds in Starfleet, or how they're organized within it. In my head cannon I assumed SF has bases - large bases - on all the member worlds. But we don't actually see that in STIII. Unless they just stood down at the request of Sarek and left Kirk and co alone. But not just that, the infrastructure of star bases and design of ships, etc. Starfleet seems to be an overly Terran responsibility. Almost as if the producers sometimes forget that Starfleet isn't just an Earth organization. Which leaves these cannon / lore loop-de-loops to untangle! Thanks for the video! Will check out the others in the series. Subscribed.
We don't see much of that since so much Star Trek takes place on the frontier and near the borders with other powers. Time travel episodes were the only times the original series ever went back to Earth. The Cloud Minders was the only episode I can think where they visited a Federation member world, outside of simply picking someone up. No one mentioned their caste system as being prohibitive to Federation membership. Kirk and Plasus seem to be on almost equal footing as each of their crimes against the other are treated as equal not worth pursuing for either of them. That would indicate that either planetary leaders don't hold particular influence with the Federation or that Starfleet Captains hold a lot.
So basically, Federation is Galactic NATO, Star Fleet is the a Galactic NASA of the Federation and United Earth is a futuristic version of the United Nations,…
Sergente A plenty of countries with a monarch are democracies. Spain, holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the list goes on...
Then they meet a more deadly and devastating enemy in the year 2164 the Daleks. Which defeated the Federation of planets the Klingons romulans all enemies of the Federation of planets. Including the Borg
There's a lot of talk of elected representatives in the Star trek future but man, it must be depressing to have literally billions of people vote in favor of a candidate and have them not be put into the position. I get frustrated sometimes at how little my vote counts, but it's much more minuscule of an impact in the galactic sprawl presented here.
I don't think the writers of Discovery worked hard to stay in Canon. That being said, there are countries with semi-presidential systems, including France and russia. From a quick Google search, the French system of government seems to have been carried over in several of their former colonies. Algeria, Haiti and the Democratic Republic of the Congo all have mixed executives.
So we know that the seat of the UFP is in Paris, France and that Star Fleet Command is in San Francisco. Where is the seat of the United Earth Government? What city claims the home of Earths Prime Minister and Legislature/judicial heads? Is it New York because of the UN? Even though that was lost in WWIII, or is it in Europe since the European Hegemony was the predecessor to the UEG? (I know it can't be Sidney since Australia was last to join the UEG).
There are some things in this structure that isn't correct! 1st federation head quarters is not located on earth. Nor is starfleet high command!! All of that is in a large groupings of space stations in the daguba system. There are some other things that are different but over all you are pritty close,
United Earth government = Earth's ruling government
United Federation of Planets = A multi-cultural galactic power which United Earth is a member of
Starfleet = The fleet which is used for exploration and defense of the Federation
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United Earth I'd say would also include the Terran/Human Colonies set up by United Earth i.e. Luna, Mars, Alpha Centuri, Terra Nova, Vega Colony etc.
@Beyonder No, we should just remain squabbling tribes armed with nuclear weapons and disparate goals on a small planet with finite resources.
That is surely the way towards human prosperity and survival for millennia to come.
That's working out so well for us now, isn't it? 🙄
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@@mbogucki1 Dude, bats and raccoons have brought all the governments to their knees. Same with our vaunted medical technology. Do you really think a "world government" would have done any better?
@Elron Why would a world government try to wipe out two of the most contributant regions in terms of taxes and wealth? That would make no fucking sense, it would be like the US federal goverment trying to exterminate the people of Texas or California just because they are rich.
Fun Fact: Very early in TOS, there is a reference to Starfleet being under the auspices of the “United Earth Space Probe Agency”. This later became the Federation, and that agency was never mentioned again.
UESPA was actually brought up in Voyager and Enterprise
The Friendship One probe was launched by them in the Voyager episode of the same name, and the UESPA Logo appeared alongside Starfleets in the Enterprise episodes Demons and Terra Prime at the Coalition signing
Dannyvegas1701 I do now recall the ENT reference, however my VOY knowledge is ‘rusty’. Thanks!
Another fun fact, that very same episode also made reference to Star Fleet Control.
It was in "Enterprise". Starfleet was part of UESPA.
Ok, just a nitpick here: The United Federation of Planets is abbreviated as UFP, not UFoP.
Prepositions such as "of" are generally not included in abbreviations of proper nouns. But more importantly, the "o" is completely omitted in Alpha canon and all near-Alpha canon sources (such as the technical manuals).
Coridimus I was about to write the same thing. Thank you for beating me to it.
Beat us both by several months :) but yes, I had noticed that as well. To be honest, this is the first time I've ever seen someone abbreviate it as such, it's always been UFP otherwise.
You beat me to it haha
Ooh anal!
It is UFOP
Make a video with the theme: “How powerful is the Federation”
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Thanks for this! As a Canadian I get super annoyed when the UFP isn't thought of as a federation of members, but as a body ruled and dominated by Earth. I always found this a very American-style type of thinking about cooperation. Present analogies would be equating England with the UK (dismissing, Scotland, N Ireland, etc); or New York with America (dismissing 49 other states).
For all practical purposes, Starfleet and the UFP are dominated by Earth. The political/and military heart of the Federation is located on Earth
and even in the case where a Federation President is non-human, their top political and military advisors tend to overwhelmingly be humans.
@@TheLAGopher I just don't think that can be the intention of the show. The answer has to be: it's a show created by humans and it's impractical to create so many aliens in modern times; and in the 60s, they just didn't think about it.. Anything less than that is an empire, not a federation. And practically, with 100s of planets, hundreds of members and hundreds of members pieces, just not possible. There simply are not enough humans; nor enough gullible species to agree to that.
Your interpretation would mean that planets who are more advanced, give up their powers and jurisdiction to Earth, but I have never heard this language in ST. In fact I have heard the opposite: combining strengths. Your interpretation is a "pax americana," which is an empire in a prettier dress. The underlying principle of Roddenberry's vison can't be humans are that arrogant and self-centered and deserve to be so.
@@TheLAGopher I totally get your point of view, but I agree it doesn't really make sense for what the federation is supposed to be. And TBH if your description was the case, it would destroy the whole Star Trek vibe I have been on since I was a kid.
Interesting thought experiment: had this show been created in the EU, what would the "federation" look like? I think very, very different. I think an important trick with speculative fiction is to try an write/create free of your prejudices and biases. I think the nature a person born, raised and nurtured in the American cultural milieu makes it hard to envision an actual federation--it's just not where they come from. Star Trek still offers enough that I can suspend my disbelief and ignore the obvious American exceptionalism silliness at its core. But if that was ever said out loud (came pretty close with Enterprise), that would be it for me and I think it would lose the international phenomenon claim to fame it has had since the 60s.
UK, not the US. Also, Cymru should not be dismissed as ect. When you only had one country to go. It would have only cost you two letters.
Ireland by the is a united country.
Awesome. This channel covers trek lore 10x better than most trek dedicated channels. Great job man.
I'm just gonna point out Vulcan and Andoria still kept their fleets. A Mirror Darkly dossier on Archer shows he is an honorary member of Starfleet. Archer rummaging through Daniel's database showed a 31st century version of a Vulcan cruiser. There is Vulcan science vessel in DS9. In Discovery Michael Burnham was supposed to join the Vulcan Expedionary Group upon graduation but racism within the Vulcan Science Academy prevented that as they want only one of Sarek's children. We all know Spock rejected joining the Vulcan Science Academy. In the Kelvin timeline it was over insulting his mother.
So Earth Starfleet got federalized into Federation Starfleet and as a consequence kept United Earth's anti-Human Augment policies. As seen in TNG on a Federation outpost it is legal to do genetic enhancement of children.
I mean Archer was an honorary member of Andorian Imperial Guard.
Thank you!
This all checks out
I always thought there were five (5) founding members of the "UFP".
5. Vulcans
4. Tellarites
3. Humans - Earth (Sol III)
2. Andorians
1. Alpha Centaurians
Maybe I am wrong here... LLAP
Would've been cool if aliens started referring to us as Solarians.
Yes.
Those are the 5 I always knew about.
Earthicans
Yeah, Alpha Centauri is no longer an alien world but an early earth colony
@@russellharrell2747 With a population of 21 Billion.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 woah!!!! That’s a lot of future space people. Funny that Zephram was the only prominent person said to hail from there
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Nicely presented in a way that didn't sound droney or boring. Going to have to intersperse animations into my infographics too. :)
OK what ever happened to the United Earth Space_probe Agency, probably a future version of NASA, that Starfleet held allegiance to?
Absorbed by Starfleet, just as Starfleet absorbed a *lot* of other agencies and functions from exploration to law enforcement.
The United Federation of Planets is a pitcher of Root Beer.
Root Beer. A little typographical error on your part.
Waltham1892 it's sweet and all bubbly.
Dragoninthewest its insidious
Stalin and the real frightening thing about it; if you drink enough of it, you start to like it.
Root beer is an Earth drink. Not a Federation drink.
That's well explained! ST's such a classic!
Thank you very much for this information. An excellent analysis... 🤔
I like how the background Video as the trailer for STO
UFP, not UFOP, just as USA, not USOA.
Hmm. Somebody's uppity.
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When are you doing a video on the Marquee
So in the movies and show it seems as if the federation president is also the president of earth as well. somewhere down the line, did the united earth presidency fold into the UFP or did it still exist?
the scene of starfleet hq at 1:51 what ep of enterprise is tht from as i dont remember tht scene
It's the embassy on Vulcan in "The Forge", Season 4 Ep 7.
I may have known this, but I am always looking for ways to make it simpler and easier for others to know and understand it..
I am still looking for a comprehensive list of which historic Earth cities survived WW3 and which didn't. but I doubt there will ever be one.
It's fiction.
I had no idea! I thought this was a documentary!
Minsk certainly did.
So basically the Federation is like the European Union and Starfleet either is like NATO or a single unified EU military.
For example Earth is part of the Federation much in the same way Belgium is part of the European Union.
Trekkie down under pretty much. It's a better analogy than the United States, because as with the EU, Federation members are still independent enough to have their own separate ambassadors and military, whereas as far as I know the various US states don't send ambassadors anywhere or have separate military forces
the European Union is a better example for what the Federation is however. The United States does have an ambassador for each state in a matter of speaking. each state has a senator and other members of the federal government that represent there States beliefs and best wishes. and each state does have a military in a manner of speaking each state has a National Guard Army & Air their primary purpose is to assist the state in natural disasters as well as be used in the defense if we were to ever be invaded by a foreign power.
Even the federation was nearly taken over by a military dictatorship and would be plunged into a civil war
@@anthonycunningham8116 there is a civilian volunteer program called
The national guard
They go through basic boot camp then afterwards two weeks a year they go and train; for emergency response for during national emergencies to evacuate the civilian population and the state Governor can ask for the national guard to reinforce law enforcement in areas where need be majority of the time they have stun guns and plastic handcuffs they do not carry actual military weapons unless it's gone through the proper channels in Washington. 🤠
Great job informative and compelling, Personnel Files for all Captains would be great Have seen Picard and Sisko already great work..
We send 350 million credits a week to the UFoP.
Let's fund medical tricorders instead. Vote Leave #earthxit
#earthfirst ;)
So will we be seeking the Bajor model? What about the possibility of a hard border on Cardassia? And will we be remaining in the Federation customs union?
earth Jobs for Human citizens. we will not guarantee alien rights until after trade talks.
Will aliens still be able to settle on Earth during the transition period?
You neo Terra Prime types are hilarious XD ROTFOMTR!
If Federation is 8 000 light years across. And Voyager was 70 000 light years away from Earth, that is 70 years of maximum speed. How could that work? Fastest ship in fleet takes almost 9 years to fly across? How Enterprise even got to Farpoint station from Jupiter shipyards and than to Romulan DMZ? Flagship finished it's first mission just under 10 years?
At first glance, you're right. Something here "does not compute."
Farpoint is not actually that far from Earth. I estimate Around 800-900 Light Years between Deneb and The Romulan DMZ.
Outstanding video, enjoyed 👍👍
Ok as much as I’m a Trekkie I notice in the video game footage there was saluting but in the shows no one salutes anyone so what gives. Is there saluting in Starfleet or no?
Where did the scenes at Starfleet Academy come from I mean i know they're from STO I'm playing it and I'm a fleet admiral so I was wondering at what point in the game us that cut scene
They're from the trailers for the game. :)
Lay down the phaser and pick up the tricorder, again ..... love it
I like to think that the United Earth headquarters is in Switzerland because of how neutral Switzerland is, there wouldn't be any lingering resentment.
My next guess though would be New York because thats where the UN headquarters is, and the United States is an important country in the world.
Alex Ray New York didn't survive the 3rd World War
Anthony Cunningham I think it did because i saw in one episode in voyager that barclay lives in new york
Well Paris and San Francisco are already taken up by the Federation so Zurich would be a pretty decent place. However would Switzerland's neutrality matter? I mean this is the 24th century, do they really care that their headquarters are in a country that was once neutral?
Alex Ray it's canon that that the UFP HQ and Starfleet HQ are both in San Francisco
100mm tube of justice They haven't WATCHED the MOVIES have they??
Thanks for explaining this to us :)
TLDW: United Earth Government made Starfleet and then later, UEG joined the Federation with the vulcans, andorians, etc.
So if the government of Earth change to become the ueg and its main Defense Force become the UNSC. Starfleet would still be its own entity? Would they be okay with the new change of government on Earth and be able to coexist
Follow-up question: Regarding The Maquis members of the Voyager crew: Were they considered "Federation" people? Clearly they weren't considered "Starfleet," especially in the first couple seasons.
It depends. Not all colonies are members of the federation, though we can presume that colonies turned over to the Cardassians where, in fact, Federation colonies because everything else makes little to no sense. So a lot of the Maquis would be Federation Citizens.
However, as Bajor is not a member of the UFP, we can presume that at least some of the Bajorans weren't, though I'd assume if they lived on a federation colony they were most likely federation citizens. I mean, I'd assume people from non-memeber species can apply for federation citizenship.
Seska definitely wasn't a federation citizen.
(Also you can get into Starfleet without being a citizen.)
Great explainer!
Great video - what ST Online missions are those clips pulled from?
okay but why are there still olive branches on the side of the federation logo?
Now we just need to tear those videos that Film Theorists made on Star Trek a new one.
What
Mat pat is clueless. Completely unreliable.
Is nobody gonna mention how small the explored region of space is in that diagram at 4:00?
Awesome video!
Nice explaination
It's really not complicated.
The UFP is an intergalactic version of federal or confederal states such as the USA, or possibly the EU given that it's member world's still also maintain independent military forces and ambassadors, in addition to contributing to Starfleet.
Earth, Vulcan or Bajor are to the UFP as California, Texas or Florida are to the USA
Anthony Cunningham technically where DS9 ended, Bajor isn't an official member of Federation but a respected ally and soon will be a member world.
Anthony Cunningham bajor isn't a member world?
TheKonka it is by the end of DS9, or is about to become one
I have always seen it as an intermediate step between usa and eu; its got unified service, but members are still seperate enough to warrant ambassadors.
By the end of DS9 it is understood that Bajor is on the cusp of membership. By the time STO gets going, Bajor is a well established member. Memory Alpha says Bajor joined the Federation in 2369. We know that the last episode of DS9 was sometime between 2366 and 2368.
UFP's Earth is essentially the modern day eviquilent of the UK's England. How is England?
Looooooool
Can we talk for a second about the Star Trek Fleet Command advert or whatever tf that mobile game was?
“How to dominate the galaxy in three easy steps! Step 1: Choose Kirk as your captain.”
I paused the ad right there.
(a) The Federation doesn’t dominate ANYONE. We’re well past the desire to dominate.
(b) Kirk would NOT support someone’s plan for “domination.” The man embodies the ideals of the Federation: egalitarian, peace-minded, force only to stabilize a situation and resume talks, help thine enemy and they may become a friend. He wanted to rescue the Warbird’s crew in Balance of Power.
The Federation has lasted this long partially because it doesn’t dominate or go to war over a misunderstanding, even a violent one. It seeks to talk and understand, firing weapons only if the other side has no interest in diplomacy - and then renewing talks once they are.
Ads like that are why we’re nowhere near ready for a post-scarcity utopia. We’d form the Terran Empire.
Great video
Love these "histories".
I think I still need educating further.
One thing I never understood is the concept that Starfleet (initially a human entity) gets absorbed into the Federation as the defacto navy... In ST the bulk of the fleet has a human aesthetic yet we know that other races maintained a sovereign fleet?
Does the UE have its own dedicated fleet it can deploy or has earth surrendered it's defence wholly to the federation? And why do we rarely see other races contribute vessels to Starfleet?
Also, what would happen if the federation dissolved? Would Starfleet revert to a Human organisation and retain the fleet even though the ships are essentially a UFP...
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Craig Jackson the concept of the Federation basically means that in return for forming and maintaining the UFP, earth gives up what the other member planets still have. I can't explain it any better.
Well, irl its make up of course. Even "simple" vulcan makeups arent cheap. But In universe, perhaps crews are predominantly sinhle specie because its easier to set the life support.
And even though Starfleet takes care of most things, member still hsve their own ships; there are (ironically human named) Apollo class vulcan ships in ds9, the Jellyfish in JJ-trek, and the Earth ship SS Russian-sounding-name-i-cant-remember in early TNG
Dave102693 Not necessarily. There is nothing to stop Earth, as a member world on exactly the same terms as Vulcan or Andoria, maintaining its own fleet to police the Sol system and other human colonies, but the assumption seems to be that as Starfleet has so many facilities in Human Territory, it's kind of pointless.
As for what happens if the Federation ever collapsed, I believe Earth basically transferred ownership of Starfleet to the Federation as an entity and would have to form it's own fleet. It might get a share of the assets proportional to its contribution to Starfleet upkeep, but probably so would all Federation members.
Anthony Cunningham what you said is basically what I said, although I said it in a more finalist tone.
"Earthexit means Earthexit!"
Could you possibly compare the Earth Alliance from b5 to United Earth? I find there were a lot of similarity between the two. Cocky and arrogant but for completely different reasons.
I’m not sure it was your intention, but the way you presented this it sounds like the influence of Earth is disproportionate over the government and military of the UFP, and considering the high number of humans in Starfleet, seems to be true in practice. Can absolutely see how accusations of human dominance of the UFP could hold weight. I know I’ll get yelled at for this but I think the UFP uses soft power where the Terran Empire uses hard power. The Klingons in Disco had a point.
I recognise this will be an unpopular opinion.
Is there any unwritten info on Section 31 ???
It needs to be pointed out that..
Starfleet did not adopt the Enterprise arrowhead symbol until after the events depicted in the movie "The Voyage Home" in which the Enterprise crew, in a stolen Klingon bird of prey, time travelled back to the mid/late twentieth century to find humpback whales in order to return said whales to their (in universe) present so that the "probe" could receive its expected response and discontinue its destruction of the planet Earth.
Starfleet honoured this extraordinary effort by adopting the Enterprise's symbol universally.
Until that time, all starfleet ships had their own symbols which were displayed on the left breast of their respective crewmen.
What symbology was used by starfleet until that time?
IDK.
It is likely that the Enterprise arrowhead will have been "retconned" into the past in order to make the mistakes and ignorance of casuals and non-fans fit the expectations of those... "people".
2:44 United Earth Federation of Earth
Much thanks for this...
Assuming the United Earth government is secular, I strongly wonder how they got the various religions and their theocracies to go along with that, a step which seems to *very* far off in today's reality.
Antimony Cup considering a huge fractional population was lost during World War 3, it's likely that little in the way of truly organized religions survived just as little in the way organized governments survive. Also, are in fact secular and even in the past governments tended to be secular with a distinctive divide between the church and head of state.
Well, you say that, but some religions even today tend to bring problems pure out of the doctrine alone, not having much organized or centralized structure as it is.
Antimony Cup They simply annihilated religion.
All starting with Khan, who hated religion, all the way to the Vulcans, that made most religion crumble because we were no longer the chosen ones.
The few survivors adapted but at the end faded away.
DrewLSsix the Catholic Church at least still exists -Phlox talks about attending mass at the Vatican and in one of the books, the Federation president circa 2380 has a meeting with the Pope.
Anthony Cunningham I’d imagine that any Christians - or any other religion - would mostly act like the Cultural Atheist Jew, not really believing in god, but going along with the traditions and rituals for cultural reasons.
Good vid man. Some surprising things. The first proof of extra terrestrial was the vulcans. Thats going from 0 to 120 in a city block. Guess that Europa thing came up dry. I'm kind of surprised the headquarters was given a permanent home on any of the participating planets. Just to make sure a perceived preference can't form in both member planets and potential members. Also think it could be a unifying experience developing a headquarters on a neutral planet. Like what earth did with the ISS. Just on a larger scale. Liked and subscribed and looking forward to the next 1.
Cool
Do they ever say in-canon what is the capital of United Earth?
The one thing I feel that was left out is where the capital of the United Earth is. Is it in Parris or San Francisco or somewhere else.
Probably Prague
There is so much illogical baggage that has been added to Star Trek over the decades, and this video highlights all of them.
It’s important to note that the reason we mostly see humans in Starfleet is not because aliens are weird, but because there’s not enough budget to fill the ships with Tellarites and Andorians. But really there must be ships where even humans are a minority
I always thought it was because humans are insane and aliens are very happy to let them do the suicide that is joining Starfleet.
Every alien that joins Starfleet is insane by the metric of their people.
You forgot section 34 that appears to have acted as covert steering and oversight body similar to Larry Niven ARM in his known universe books
From what I've noticed in this and other vids with similar themes, there don't appear to be any non-humanoid species that are members of the Federation. Did I overlook them?
Are homo sapiens the only Earth-born members of the Federation, or are cetaceans (whales and dolphins) included? Have we developed a way to communicate with each other, or are humans still slaughtering our brothers and sisters of the seas?
And what was required to convince humans to work together, rather than tearing our species apart (as we've done for thousands of centuries)?
Do any videos exist that provide a detailed history of our species from the 20th century -- with its bloody, genocidal conflicts -- to the 24th century?
The human race learned to work together as a result of first contact with Vulcan causing humanity to see Earth as the human homeworld for the first time. The Vulcans provided reconstruction aid and diplomatic assistance as the various Earth coalitions rebuilt the world after
WWIII and slowly formed a unified planetary government with Australia being the last nation to sign on. As far as Cetaceans went, humanity
drove the humpback whale to extinction in the early 21st century. By the 23rd century, with the reintroduction of the Humpback whale to
Earth's ecology, the Federation had recognized basic inalienable rights for cetaceans.
@@TheLAGopher Fascinating!! Any episodes or books discussing human/cetacean communication? Can the two species "speak" to each other in the 24rd century?
WONDERFUL!
Now if only I had this video when Film Theory did that horrible video.
Migrant Thought that horrible video. Which one?
Man in the Black Hat The one where he says the Federation was Fascist. I like Matpat and film theory, but that was a horrible episode.
I didn't like that video either. To claim that the Federation is fascist is to clearly ignore the avaible facts. Although, knowing Matpat, that was probably the intention
Alex Ray Matpat isn't a fan of the series. He is obsessed with star wars and is one of those fans who refuses to like both shows and would rather hate on trek. He pretends to be unbiased but he really is. I'm still a fan tho but it's pretty obvious
Mo Uddin I didn’t notice anything. But then again, I’m pretty bad at reading people, so yeah.
How I think the United earth is sorted is each nations parliment or congress still has local devolved authority within their own territory and the supreme authority is UE government. Similar to
How the U.K. deals with its territory Scotland wales and northern irland has its own power but the primary authority is the parliament, but what is the upper chamber in the earth government lords? Senate?
Didn’t the cardssians civilian republic join after the war ?
Marcus W my thoughts exactly -there is reference to various 'national' institutions and events enduring even in the era of the UE and the UFP-after the Breen attack San Francisco in DS9, non canon sources refer to a visit to the city by the PM of Earth, the UFP president AND the President of the United States, and there is reference to the British still having a royal family and events such as the Olympics still occurring.
Some level of local identity seems to persist on Earth even if it's just powerless focuses for local tradition.
Of course it would be interesting to see what power remains in the hands of say the US government in the 24th century.
If the UFP basically regulates commerce and trade between members and it's 'economic' relations with non UFP members (not that the economics of the 24th century is comparable to today), and presumably regulates Starfleet in a similar manner to how NATO is run, and one would assume cajoles its members into shared foreign policy goals, then the Earth government must presumably mirror those duties at a lower level not claimed by the UFP in human territory
So for example UE presumably regulates relations between Earth and it's colonies, regulates it's resources and ensures all areas adhere to UE and Earth laws, and presumably polices the Human territories with its own separate military.
What about the subdivisions of Earth then? Is the US Congress just a glorified city government maintaining the local schools and public transporters? What about the States, or the lower levels of government such as counties or city government?
How many layers of government does the average human have to deal with?
Anthony Cunningham I think the UE is assume it’s like a more intense version of the European Union each member has mostly total authority, over its own affairs, except for freedom of movement, trade inside the block (Eu market) trade policy, trade tariffs etc etc
(Let’s ignore that the U.K. is leaving and many nations inside the EU is getting angry of being told what to do by unelected officials and more members are threatening to leave if things don’t change)
So I think it’s how it goes is
1.each nation more or less sets it’s own internal laws, in their own systems of government. (But all are democracy’s as it’s the 22nd-24th century) so their president or prime ministers are still pretty powerful.
2. ALL earth nations are members of the UE (like their are members of the Eu) they have overall laws that must be adhered to as members like execution is strictly forbidden under any circumstances, right to health care blah blah. Internal trade policy (internal to Earth)
3. The president of earth is actually the president of the UE commission (like their is a president of the EU (European Union) parliament however I’m assuming this UE (United earth) is elected by the members of the United earth parliament. not the people themselves. The people vote for UEMP (United earth members parliament who they then vote for the president/leader) that’s how it works in a parliamentary system.
please note i can’t see a total presidential system working here it’s too complex.
4. The president of the UE (United earth) remember voted in by the elected members of United earth parliament (I’m assuming each nation is aloud a certain amount) has power but only limited by what the members of the UE Will give them, it’s not a good idea for the UE president to get too power happy as members might withdraw. (Like the U.K. from the Eu)
5. all world leaders of each nation meet up every so often have summits to discuss internal matters and courses of action can be taken legislative agendas set (i am assuming each president/ prime minister of nations has veto power or the others can’t without majority)
6. Star fleet is NATO, all members of earth contribute a set amount of their GDP (whatever economy’s are like them) to defence like 2% min is required by natio except only the USA and the U.K. meet that target and then some
7. The federation is like the UE but on interstellar scale but has absolutely no authority to interfere with the internal governments of each world (their not that’s said in Star Trek it’s extremely forbidden) but all members must stick to certain rules and those rules can only be changed by majority of members voting. but each world appoints!!! Not elects members to serve as their represetiuvies of the fed.
This is the only way I can see a United earth government working so it’s not actually a government per say! It’s more a united member government but with very limited power to affect anything on a global scale
Each nation USA U.K. France, Germany Australia etc all still Retain pretty much total authority of their own internal affairs. And still have prime ministers and presidents.
But it’s politics so I have no doubt even in the future certain members have a lot more power than others like the USA and the U.K. have far more than say Jamaica or New Zealand (no shade to them)
So each nation in its collective form as one coming together serves as the legislative (makes the laws) and the UE parliament is the executive (lords or The Senate the regulatory upper chamber)
And the federation is a very light federal alliance but not government more a let’s all get along and be friends collective defence trade etc but with totally no interference inside each planet)
Their are still nation elections, and then their are UE elections where people elect their members to serve for them in the UE parliament and those elected members elect a president.
You can bet your ass a lot of internal lobbying goes on lol.
They was long lol but I think that’s it it works. It makes sense
Marcus W not a bad idea. Basically it would work by the Federation simply having a law that states "any power to legislate, specifically delegated by the members to the Federation, shall be presumed to remain with the members, to use as they wish except in such times where said law contradicts the articles of this charter"
And then the UE constitution cam have exactly the same rule for the nations of Earth, effectively stating they can pass any law provided they do not contradict the rights and powers delegated to Earth and the Federation in their respective charters and constitutions
Anthony Cunningham well you clearly are much better than me you condensed that into two short paragraphs lol but yeah exactly I just don’t see a total supreme global government.
yea nothing says we come in peace like a battleship in your orbit.
I have to wonder where the Capital of the United Earth is located. I would imagine that it would be in Paris for simplicity sake given that Paris is also the capitol location of the UFP.
Randy Bentley I've read numerous non canon suggestions, quite a lot seem to refer to London
That does make sense. A city of like age and cultural significance that is also fairly close by would make for a great location for what is essentially a " regional " governing body.
I had always thought Geneva would make sense. Or NYC, and it's UN compound.
I can see Geneva more than NYC being the choice of the two as there might be some slight animosity between the former foes.
Randy Bentley good point, and Geneva is beside Paris all things considered.
UE is space France, UFP is space EU, and Starfleet is Space NATO. Gotcha.
I would argue UE is UN in better. But yes
You guys do know the Federation didn't exist in actual Star Trek scripts until they filmed Journey to Babel later in season one. Kirks crew was part of a human starfleet representing United Earth and Colonies. As Kirk put it vaguely to the USAF major, a combined service. The only Federation mentioned before 1967 was Balocks Federation, and furure Earth definitely would not amount to anything but a third world mud hut culture to Balock's people. Oh and Spock was an oddball in Starfleet. He's the only token alien you see in the banlon shirt, and he was there only because of his human Mom.
Oh BTW, they even hadn't settled on the 23rd century before season two. 200 years in the future, 700 years in the future, 300 years: all were bantered about in scripts.
Yes, in Space Seed, they said Khan had been asleep two centuries. Assuming that's a case of rounding, you put it to the early 23rd century since Khan was described as from the "late 1990's". The 2270's would, however, be stretching a "two centuries" estimate.
Squire of Gothos described Trelane's late 18th / Earth 19th century decor as being from 900 years ago, in accordance with the planet supposedly being 900 light years from Earth and assuming he'd been viewing Earth through a mechanism that pulled images at the speed of light. Early 19th century is more likely, since he did mention the death of Alexander Hamilton in 1804.
It's not uncommon when shows get up and running for some things to not line up as they are presented later. They need to get the early episodes written and filmed in time to air and often the series bible is a work in progress. Note how The Enemy Within never brings up shuttle craft.
I wish they had stayed true to that premise.
I love the real classified true story and the classification of the actual version of this although Hollywood version of it was nicely done in a way that it meet govt guidelines. 👍👍👍. United earth however in reality way back then some 10,000 yrs ago and beyond that had one solid govt the United earth Alliance but it was not ruled by a prime minister but a king. Shasta mt. In California is the military base of the UEA and D.C. was the king govt state capital. This is when the landlocked were still present. Now history and book and so on has made many different claim of different story that are just mix conceptions.
Thank you for this introduction into UFoP.
Isn't it odd that what seems to be the weakest member of the Federation was made capitol?
Probably due to a central location in the quadrant?
well done
Did not know that earth had it own government, I always thought the U.F.O.P ran everything. Great video to inform a diehard Trekkie like me.
It's surprising how many don't realize that.
If this "United Earth" government and it's mythical Prime Minister were canon you'd think they'd have been in the DS9 episode where Starfleet pushes for marshall law on Earth after Red Squad knocks out the power to make people fear the changelings. There wasn't any mention of a United Earth government or its leadership.
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The Zentradi from SDF Macross not Robotech please.
Yes I want him to make one too guess I'm ignored also
Okay, if Starfleet is the 'blacksky' space navy, do the member worlds still maintain their own system security service? Some novels have depicted this, but never in a show AFAIK. Also, we see hardly any representation of the other founding worlds in Starfleet, or how they're organized within it. In my head cannon I assumed SF has bases - large bases - on all the member worlds. But we don't actually see that in STIII. Unless they just stood down at the request of Sarek and left Kirk and co alone. But not just that, the infrastructure of star bases and design of ships, etc. Starfleet seems to be an overly Terran responsibility. Almost as if the producers sometimes forget that Starfleet isn't just an Earth organization. Which leaves these cannon / lore loop-de-loops to untangle! Thanks for the video! Will check out the others in the series. Subscribed.
We don't see much of that since so much Star Trek takes place on the frontier and near the borders with other powers. Time travel episodes were the only times the original series ever went back to Earth.
The Cloud Minders was the only episode I can think where they visited a Federation member world, outside of simply picking someone up. No one mentioned their caste system as being prohibitive to Federation membership. Kirk and Plasus seem to be on almost equal footing as each of their crimes against the other are treated as equal not worth pursuing for either of them. That would indicate that either planetary leaders don't hold particular influence with the Federation or that Starfleet Captains hold a lot.
So basically, Federation is Galactic NATO, Star Fleet is the a Galactic NASA of the Federation and United Earth is a futuristic version of the United Nations,…
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It’s UFP not UFOP
You can use both but i prefer using UFP :)
Interesting
Uh I have that starfleet patch 🎉
Nitpick! It’s not the USS Enterprise NX-01. It’s Starship Enterprise NX-01
All good.
Starfleet is akin to combining the US Coast Guard with NOAA.
Don't forget MACO !
if there's a united earth PM, is there a united earth King/Queen?
Michael Hughes No, because they are a democracy.
Michael Hughes what do a king and queen have to do with a prime minister?
What on Earth makes you think they have a Monarch simply because there is a Prime Minister?
Sergente A plenty of countries with a monarch are democracies. Spain, holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the list goes on...
Michael Hughes I highly doubt monarchies exist on Earth, UE is a Federal Democracy as well as the Federation, much like the United States.
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Then they meet a more deadly and devastating enemy in the year 2164 the Daleks. Which defeated the Federation of planets the Klingons romulans all enemies of the Federation of planets. Including the Borg
There's a lot of talk of elected representatives in the Star trek future but man, it must be depressing to have literally billions of people vote in favor of a candidate and have them not be put into the position. I get frustrated sometimes at how little my vote counts, but it's much more minuscule of an impact in the galactic sprawl presented here.
You better hope they run things with proportional representation rather than representation by population.
It is strange, but the UE had a prime minister when the video was made, but in Discovery it had a president... Maybe they can reform the Constitution?
I don't think the writers of Discovery worked hard to stay in Canon. That being said, there are countries with semi-presidential systems, including France and russia. From a quick Google search, the French system of government seems to have been carried over in several of their former colonies. Algeria, Haiti and the Democratic Republic of the Congo all have mixed executives.
in DS9 the president is a alien. why is that.
I don't believe if we get a world government,
it's going to be anything like Star Trek utopia like thing at all.
So we know that the seat of the UFP is in Paris, France and that Star Fleet Command is in San Francisco. Where is the seat of the United Earth Government? What city claims the home of Earths Prime Minister and Legislature/judicial heads? Is it New York because of the UN? Even though that was lost in WWIII, or is it in Europe since the European Hegemony was the predecessor to the UEG? (I know it can't be Sidney since Australia was last to join the UEG).
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There are some things in this structure that isn't correct! 1st federation head quarters is not located on earth. Nor is starfleet high command!! All of that is in a large groupings of space stations in the daguba system. There are some other things that are different but over all you are pritty close,
Uh, Starfleet HQ is located in San Francisco.