Objectively Measure Fly Rods - Hanneman's CCS
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Using Dr. William Hanneman's CCS to objectively measure one of my favorite Streamer Rods, the Chippewa River Custom Rod 1pc Predator, 8'10" 10wt.
The purpose of this video is to introduce you to Bill's system for objectively measuring subjective criteria, to aid in the evaluation and comparison of various fly rods.
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Nice to see this video. It is important to remember that the CCS doesn't measure "rods." It measures action, power and speed. Pennies should be 1986 and thereafter. The forward support point for the rod should be a location that is equal to 10% of the rod's total length. Dr. Hanneman was quick to point out, however, that ERN = ELN (effective line weight) was only a suggestion for matching a line (at 30 feet) to a rod. Otherwise, ERN is simply a measure of power, higher numbers being more powerful than lower numbers. Same with the AA (Action Angle). Higher numbers indicate faster action. Subjective terms are not used in the CCS. Dr. Hanneman was a friend of mine. I published the original Common Cents System articles in RodMaker Magazine in 2004. In your case, 133 pennies equates to an ERN of 13.31.
Hi Tom, when it comes to a rod with a cork handle (so not a blank alone )should the 10% balancing area be:
a) picture (a) shown in this link:
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or
b) or picture 1 shown in this link?
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I get different results with both.
Regards
I really like this! Thanks for bringing this information! Love it.
Nice but why is the total rod length used in the calculations? Shouldn't it be only the length from tip to handle. Otherwise two rods using the same blank would produce different results if one had a fighting butt and the other didn't.
Cool video
Totally informative video (I'm a techie type). I have a number of Winston 5 piece LT rods (circa 1996 or thereabouts) that I am trying to find modern fly lines for. This will be what keeps me from purchasing the wrong line for a particular rod. Thank you. God bless
Hi Gunnar, I love your video, I have two questions, do you calculate the entire length of the rod with a handle, and where is the contact point where you attach the rod at the front all the best from Iceland Hannes
Just finished the explanation of the numbers, sounds awesome; I wonder how likely this is to be accepted by the fly fishing industry?
Thank you for for this super usefull information for fine tuning fly fishing rig!
Thank you for for this super usefull information for fine tuning fly fishing rig!
does anyone have an opinion on whether to measure the entire length of the rods or just the blank all the best Hannes
The data base you will be doing for rods will be really useful. I’d like to see the data for the Echo
rods and BC Big Fly rod you previously reviewed.
When does the Brammer custom chippewa rod come out?
But , you never weighed the baggie! You go through all of this, even weighing the rubber band but not the baggie. God stuff even if slightly flawed. BTW, that's my favorite streamer rod too!
Good point. Plus weight of paperclip in the original measure to “full deflection “.
when you test for the frequency, you said you measured 432 grains and put to tip with rubber band. That is not the same amount that deflected the rod 1/3 of length. THere was barely any deflection. I don't get it. what am i missing?
Awesome 🤘
Very well done, thanks.
Could you do the same calculation on a commonly used Spey rod? Then the people who own that rod
could compare the result to what they already cast on that rod. Would the result apply to both Touch and Go casts as well as Sustained Anchor?
A walk in thee woods with Gunnar while he pontificates nothing but facts
I have not found that to be true. A rod that will cast a 70ft line will also cast a 25 ft line
What a legend!
From many years of flyfishing i believe this is all BS. I have several rods that are rated for lines that are 1 or 2 weights to light as far as i am concerned. The line system was generated to clear up the confusion but the line and rod manufacteres have muddied it all up. The system has become worthless imo.
The weight of a line changes as you move more or less of it beyond the rod tip. Any rod will cast any line AT SOME DISTANCE. The same rod that loads nicely with 30 feet of a #6 line might do better with a #7 inside of 30 and with a #5 at much more than 30 (beyond the rod tip). Sadly, few manufacturers today still adhere to the original AFTMA line weight standards.
The only and perfect way to chose a fly rod is by feeling the fly rod when you are at the store shopping for it, just be aware of what is the most of your presentation is going to be to that particular fish. Forget it about numbers if 5or whatever weight is nonsense. The same goes with the line, I don’t shop fly line by weigh but sometimes I use grain weigh as reference point. But you never go wrong by learning to feel your equipment. 🤔