I have a few fly rods but the one I cherish the most is an old two piece true temper carbaloy (steel) that I restored about two years ago. Found it in the closet of a house that we bought from my wife's grandmother. I thought it was a curtain rod but low and behold I took it out of an old burlap bag and it was a beat up no guides, reel seat was rotten, fly rod. It's a little on the heavy side. But it's old. It looks like the ones they called the "professional" series or something like that. It has really slow action but it's almost indestructible. I only use 5 weight line on it and small flies
Brian it is so refreshing to hear someone tell the truth these days than to hear someone BS you. I applaud you for your honesty and will continue to be a MRO customer.
Ive been fly fishing for the last 28 years and as I didn't have anybody to teach me and I'm a self learner, I'm finally starting to learn a bit about it. Thanks for the valuable information in your video. (From Québec city, PQ, Canada)
Thank you very much for the honest answers on expensive flyrods. I have nice 4 and 6 wt TFO BVK rods I love (not inexpensive) and thought about a high dollar Sage. I’m gonna use that savings to buy some other gear from you guys🙂. You’ll be getting an order soon. Y’all are the Best! Thanks for all your help with Flyfishing🎣 👍👍
And that folks is exactly why I shop at Mad river outfitters, would be easy for them to sell you a high priced item just to make$$$$ , but they aren't that type of company, great dudes !!!!
Thanks for being here Steve. We are in business to serve and educate. That leads to profitability but that is not the mission statement of the company.....as you obviously understand. Stay tuned and stay in touch.
Brain I can’t say enough what you do for the fly fishing industry. With the honest info you and your crew putout.
The thing I think would also help with a decision on rod purchase. Is going to a shop like yours asking for help choosing a rod. With someone like you that can help with the person mechanics to match the rod. There was no You Tube when I started. I was frustrated trying to learn on my own. Went to a shop named Kaufman’s fly shop. No longer open. No high pressure sales. Out back casting some rods. Purchased a rod and signed up for their class. Tight Line.
No better resource than an actual fly fishing pro shop to help you make the right decision and get you the right rod for what you need/want. Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.
The plague (at least the famous Bubonic plague of medieval times) was never eradicated but, antibiotics are effective in treating it now. There are cases every year on multiple continents, to sometimes include North America but, are easily treated if diagnosed quickly & not allowed to progress to end stage. It's just mid 2020 now and in some 3rd world countries people have already died from Bubonic plague due to no speedy diagnosis and lack of antibiotics. Sadly, it is usually children.
@@omnivorouscarbon4234 , at least 2 cases of bubonic plague in the Western USA so far just since my post a month ago. I think 1 of the people died from it. Maybe New Mexico or Nevada if I remember right.
I think you dismissed bamboo for big fish to soon there are a good amount of people who fish bamboo for steelhead same thing with Fiberglas I saw a guy who was fishing a bamboo Spey rod with a skagit head and a fifteen foot piece of t14 and it was casting fine but aside that great video keep up the great work
Lots of people do lots of things but it does not mean it is the ideal tool for the job. Just like older cars there are other reasons to do things other than purely buying the best most fitting specialist tool for each endeavor.
I went went to a local fly shop a few yrs back and I was looking at the new sage spey rods. The owner came over and we talked rods, river systems, patterns and technique. In the end, he told me one of his all time favs is the echo swing switch, because he's caught more steelhead and large trout on that rod than any other. It happened to be the one I purchased, and saved me almost 700 bucks. To this day, I now own a lot of sage rods, but that "cheaper" rod, has still landed more steelhead and lake browns than anything in my fishing kit. I was thankful for the honesty, and it is still one of my best go to rods.
A great and informative video. I use 4 piece rods in part because I travel on motorcycles to fishing spots. The 4 piece is the only rod I can carry easily on a motorcycle.
Had a lot of luck with my TFO rod and it wasn’t overly expensive. Wish it wasn’t a 5/6 wt though. Makes it kinda confusing in which it is. But it works for what i use it for. Great video as always!
I found the tfo 5/6 is closer to a 6/7. I catch silver and pink salmon on it. 🤷♂️ and 6-7wt casts better in it than a 5. That fast action is what I think it is. But get the right line and it’s a rocket. I had to switch around till I found what worked best with mine. But ive found that with other rods also. Weight forward also. Send it!
Thanks for doing this video. I must say I just bought a $600 Orvis Recon 7wt.. (Made in America) I used to build rods 35 years ago. Either things have changed a LOT or Orvis does not know how to build rods. The spline is way off on all 4 sections. I have not used it yet but no second chance for a first impression. Thanks again for your videos and knowledge.
I hear you. I used to build my own rods, starting with a kit from Herters. I could make just what I desired. Ever hear of a 10' 2wt combo fly/spin combo? It worked well for canoe fly fishing and for crappie spinning. I use FG for general fishing, for spey graphite.
Great respect to you Mr.Brian Flechsig for your GENUINE & HONEST answer {regarding the question for 50 $ or 1000 $ rod which ones will make you catch more fish} 👍
@11:00 , Love the honesty. I have played paintball for 30+years and my favorite eliminations were with my cheapest ($30) markers vs my more expensive ($600+) markers. If you master your technique, you can use almost any tools.
Luv the straight forward answers, and honesty, and its true I saltwater fish all the time my set up cost was under $150 bucks, but I find deals on fly rods and reels at garage sales, second hand stores, even pawn shops I got a Berkeley 8wt rod for $12 bucks had to put a Forward tip on it $5 bucks total $17 brand new still had the labels and stickers on it ! , so I have the deepest admiration bro you live the dream that most of us would love to have , to be able to fish , enjoy , and get paid to do it ! Keep up the great videos 👍🏼.
I really appreciate your honesty. I have Scientific Anglers rods and an Orvis combo and I catch equal amounts of fish on both. The more I learn and the more I fish the more and bigger fish I catch. This is why I watch your videos. Thank You so much for your knowledge you share with us.
I appreciate your honesty! I recently bought an entry level fly rod setup to give fly fishing a try, and see how it goes. What I’ll learn from this setup should help me moving forward or heck I might love the rod setup and keep fishing with it regardless of the $100 dollar price tag I paid 👍🏽
Hi Brian Lindsay from New Zealand. I have come across a couple of your Mad River presentations and find interesting them very informative.I have recently retired and switched from saltwater boating and lake spinning, to fly fishing our NZ rivers and lakes. Never been the greatest fisherman, but joined a club, put aside an old 2 piece NZ fiberglass rod for a moderate priced carbon #8 4 piece and had some success. Wish I had done it sooner.
A huge thank you for those questions! And especially for such to the point answers! I’ve been fishing for a while and those questions run my mind as well
So dang refreshing to hear the truth for a change. I subscribe, of course, so I get to catch them all. Thanks so much for the time you put in on the videos, I’m sure you’d rather be fishin!
Late to the game here, I just recently started fly fishing after many years of large mouth fishing heavy tackle . You got my sub the second you started speaking truth about the high end fly rods. I am sure they are very nice, but I have had some of my best days fishing on Walmart specials . Great video, great info, keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot for all details about fly fishing . I’m new in fly fishing with Cabelas 9/6/4 rod so far watching this guy videos he helping me a lot . Thanks again.!
I'm from Illinois ben a catfisher, man my whole life I'm 50 however years ago I quit after are river got polluted when a railcars, came off tracks and whatever was dumped into my river looked like a war zone with dead fish every foot floating on surface. Started watching your videos 2 days ago feel a light starting to burn in my heart when I get the chance to start this I will come to your place the miles are not going to matter thank you.
I dont have a lot of money bought me a $60 fly rod/reel combo and I've caught sunfish and bass so far I love it, yes i would like to be able to buy the high end names but for now i really enjoy what i have. Love the videos lots of info.
Thank you everybody at Mad River Outfitters for these great videos. They are an absolute pleasure to watch and just pure gold for beginners. That being said, I was wondering what you think about 6 piece rods. Will that affect the action in a negative way?
Thanks for watching and we appreciate the kind words. As Brian states here though, please send any and all questions to the shop via e-mail. admin@madriveroutfitters.com
Brian, you are my favorite UA-camr. You’re just straightforward and knowledgeable. It’s like getting advice from a family member of very good friend. I have signed up to Mad River’s email list, subscribed to the channel and have items in my cart although I haven’t taken the plunge as of yet, mostly because I won’t be fly fishing until next summer. I look forward to watching more of your videos. ✌🏽🙏🏽🤙🏽🐟🎣
I have a few fly rods. All pretty budget models but my favorite is my orvis starter rod/reel. I got it as a kit when I first started and it splits the middle in length/weight. It is perfect for steelhead and large mouth bass.
Brian also touches on this in episode four of the intro to fly fishing series where basically some people just want to cast slow and some want to cast fast. For myself I like having the extra time in between my my casting strokes, it just feels more natural.
Brian, Great info as always, and I do love my Butterstick, but I also have graphite rods as well. But I’m guessing your gonna hear it from the purists on both of these questions, especially on the cheap verses expensive rods. How can expensive not be better ? Personally, I prefer middle of the road, where you can get good quality at a decent price. Keep the videos coming. I always look forward to learning something new.
That's why we offer a variety of rods....brands....materials.....actions etc. Something for everyone here at MRO. We'll keep doing them as long as folks keep supporting the shop.
The impact of the cost of the rod on ability to catch fish reminds me of golf. Years ago I played golf with a guy who had a 20 year old set of clubs and persimmon woods...and he could be the pants off most people because his technique was impeccable. A good user = good results. Poor user = poor results.
Watch your videos and they've been very informative. I've gone out of my way to order from you guys on a couple occasions. It's the right thing to do! Keep doing what you're doing!
I have a true temper carboloy fly rod that I found and kind of restored. It's a little on the heavy side. I think it's a sportsman or something like that. The ones I researched online look like they're from the late 40s maybe early 50s. It's reeeeeally slow action and I only use 5 weight line on it and only small flies
When I was giving new fly fishers casting lessons it was so easy to tell that their equiptment came from a commission business.They almost always showed up with the most expensive rod and reel combo.The biggest problem was that the rod for a beginner should be more forgiving(softer action)than the high tech super fast material of the top dollar rods.So are $1000 rods better?Sure for the salesperson for sure.
new anglers learn best on cheap equipment imo. not just because of the softer action but because you gain an appreciation for the little things that expensive rods do better.
I've Fallin in love with fiber glass rods, I had two graphite rods that were ok but I broke then easily ( I run a surface drive out board because I tore up a regular out board). Anyways I use two fiberglass rods right now and love them, the shorter length is nice were I fish, most cast are under 40 feet for me and they are a joy to fish. And I'm catching bass and pike and bowfin on them ones an 8 wt and ones a 10 wt.
For 6 years I tied flies for a living and many times I "tied" some top shelf and "budget" Orvis and Sage fly rods because the wife didn't know (no large bank withdrawals). My favorite for small trout streams got broken (didn't have the 25 yr warranty...Green Mountain...it was early 90s) and within weeks a buddy was going out West, was running out of money and wanted some flies and offered a cheap Cortland for barter. That cheap fly rod became my fave for years. However, first chance I got to get an Orvis Superfine "expensive Top Shelf" Brook Trout 7-9 4 wt, I bought it. Brian is right, cheap rods can work and work very well but the "top shelf" rods are a little better...but that only counts when you fish a LOT. And yes, they are all 2pc and I'm planning a Bahamas bonefish trip and got to buy a 4pc now. LOL. Brian is giving good advice here.
For traditional styles of fly fishing, I would agree with the majority of what is presented. However, I believe competition and euro nymphing rods DO help you catch more fish as they become better and more sensitive (often the case with higher end rods). This happens to be technique specific but I digress. You CAN catch fish with inexpensive rods however.
I have a 7 piece Orvis Rod it cost me $399 and I absolutely love it it's a 5 weight 8 1/2 ft the tube I carry with it is about a foot and a half I can literally put it in my pocket and walk with it, It cast very smooth also there is a lifetime warranty so if you were to ever break for whatever reason no questions asked they replace it and if that model is no longer available they replace it with equal value model but you must have every piece even the broken piece and send it in to have it replaced
If fishing is your passion I’d say the money is worth it. Some guys buy $20,000 motorcycles. Some people take bong hits from $10,000 bongs lol . I’d never spend more than $1,000 bong and 500$ fishing rod and reel 🤣😂
I haven't really dipped my feet in yet with fly fishing. I will say though that I catch a ton of trout on my little spinner rod and reel that cost me maybe 40 bucks. So, I would have to agree that it's mostly in the technique.
I have a Sage Graphite III 9-WT 9 foot rod that's maybe 30 years old. It's a two piece. Still is a great rod, but I wouldn't want to try to take it on an airline flight these days.
@ 11:20 😂 💗👍 If I were to go out and buy a $1000 rod, I would 100% buy it from you Sir. No one NEEDS a Ferrari to get to work, but if you can afford one, the drive sure is fun. Thanks for calling it like it is.
Brian thanks for yet another great video & agree & disagree,cheap fly rods are great if all your seeking is small trout,but overall spending less than $150 is not much fun,the action & feel make spending the extra money more enjoyable on the water
It's such a personal opinion question. I like his answer, although, I think with a caveat. $50 is gonna get you like a Martin combo with a bunch of flies you'll never actually use and probably terrible line. If nothing else, I think good line makes a huge difference. Also, while I sort of agree with his points, I think you can state that skill and technique are MORE important, but good equipment helps, especially if you're a good but not great fisherman. Moreover, fly fishing really isn't a hobby where the word "need" should ever really be used anyway. I like expensive rods because I love the feel and look and I think they make it easier to cast well. I certainly don't need them, but I really don't need to be out pissing off fish then throwing them back in the water anyway. The entire hobby is for enjoyment, so the question should be if the cost is justified to you in enjoyment, not in necessarily catching more fish.
New to your channel I'm glad I found your channel btw I subscribed immediately also. You teached me a lot already. I have to say I love your honesty. Of course I want a 1000 dollar fly rod but it's not in my budget the ol lady wld skin me alive lol. I'm in for about a 100 dollar range myself. Thanks again
Many points I can agree with-bamboo is not for beginners and not for saltwater and actually I'd use it only for dry fly fishing. But there bamboo is MAGIC and nothing comes close. You know what they say-with a glass rod you can tell the species of the fish, with bamboo you can feel its heartbeat.😀 And also-yes, you CAN tell the difference between 1K rod and 50$ rod. I'd even say you can tell the difference between the top end rod and the second best. If you know what to look for, this difference is YUGE. Will it catch you more fish?No. Are top of the line rods absolutely necessary? No. But they are real nice to have. Top end rods are absolute joy to cast. Except for Asquith. Which isn't.
Same question , but in relation to fly lines . Is a Rio costing £120 , better than a £45 Airflo ? I wouldn't say there's enough in it to justify the extra money . I'd be interested to hear your thoughts .
I like and prefer a fiberglass rod! Slower motion and all. when I fish small streams and small waters. I was so disappointed when in the 80' and 90's the fly trout industry went carbon. For bigger waters I fish open face spinning reels carbon rods.
Just found you Brian. LOVE the videos. I've been FF for over 15 years, but I still find myself watching your more basic videos. (I can always learn something new.) You're an awesome presenter and I'll be looking to you guys for future online purchases just to pay it back. Thanks!
You've fished all over the world, but I've found myself in the Philippines and would love to have some advice on how to fish there. Either salt or fresh waters
Thanks for tuning in and supporting! What type of rod do you fish with? Comment below.
8' #5/6 Shakespeare graphite I got at Kmart the day after I saw "A River Runs Through It"
Adam Steffen Thanks for being here.
Orvis h3f have you ever tried one? If so what do u think ?
9 ft. 5/6 wt. Scheels combo.
I have a few fly rods but the one I cherish the most is an old two piece true temper carbaloy (steel) that I restored about two years ago. Found it in the closet of a house that we bought from my wife's grandmother. I thought it was a curtain rod but low and behold I took it out of an old burlap bag and it was a beat up no guides, reel seat was rotten, fly rod. It's a little on the heavy side. But it's old. It looks like the ones they called the "professional" series or something like that. It has really slow action but it's almost indestructible. I only use 5 weight line on it and small flies
I like how he’s telling the truth about everything
Thanks for watching.
Wow I wouldn’t ever expect someone to like the truth😐
Jackson Wilhelm lmaooooo💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
For real. That's wildly refreshing. Integrity is a HUGE deal. I'd happily do business with this gentleman in the future.
Matt Foley Thanks so much for watching.
I've been using a $40 6' Eagle Claw fly rod for 5 years now. 500 fish later, still working like a charm.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for watching.
I have had a 6wt Eagle claw for 30 years I have caught Bass Trout and a ton of Panfish .I will pull out the old man out again this year
@@frederickacerra7766 That older one is likely even better than my newer one!
Honesty above greed - rare quality these days! Thank you!
"Integrity comes first. If you have that, the rest will come"- Brian Flechsig- President- Mad River Outfitters
The fact that you told the truth about the expensive vs cheap rods earned my respect and my business! Awesome video as always
Thanks for watching.
it is actually an *awesome* hat...
thanks for all you do guys.
-Alex W.
Alec Watson Thanks! We should have more in stock soon.
Brian it is so refreshing to hear someone tell the truth these days than to hear someone BS you. I applaud you for your honesty and will continue to be a MRO customer.
Thanks for being here. We appreciate the support.
Love the fact you are in the business of selling not robbing people.
You don’t stay in business for 31 years by robbing people. Simple concept.
These answers are why I support MRO, if you watch these videos make sure to call in an order or order online. Great customer service!
Thanks Bruce. Customer service....and honest customer service....is what we do for a living.
Ive been fly fishing for the last 28 years and as I didn't have anybody to teach me and I'm a self learner, I'm finally starting to learn a bit about it. Thanks for the valuable information in your video. (From Québec city, PQ, Canada)
Thanks for being here. Much appreciated.
Thank you very much for the honest answers on expensive flyrods. I have nice 4 and 6 wt TFO BVK rods I love (not inexpensive) and thought about a high dollar Sage. I’m gonna use that savings to buy some other gear from you guys🙂. You’ll be getting an order soon. Y’all are the Best! Thanks for all your help with Flyfishing🎣 👍👍
Thanks for being here.
And that folks is exactly why I shop at Mad river outfitters, would be easy for them to sell you a high priced item just to make$$$$ , but they aren't that type of company, great dudes !!!!
Thanks for being here Steve. We are in business to serve and educate. That leads to profitability but that is not the mission statement of the company.....as you obviously understand. Stay tuned and stay in touch.
Brain I can’t say enough what you do for the fly fishing industry. With the honest info you and your crew putout.
The thing I think would also help with a decision on rod purchase. Is going to a shop like yours asking for help choosing a rod. With someone like you that can help with the person mechanics to match the rod.
There was no You Tube when I started. I was frustrated trying to learn on my own. Went to a shop named Kaufman’s fly shop. No longer open. No high pressure sales. Out back casting some rods. Purchased a rod and signed up for their class.
Tight Line.
No better resource than an actual fly fishing pro shop to help you make the right decision and get you the right rod for what you need/want. Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.
Brian: "I'm pretty sure the plague was cured..."
2020: "challenge accepted."
Good point! He spoke too soon!!
The plague (at least the famous Bubonic plague of medieval times) was never eradicated but, antibiotics are effective in treating it now.
There are cases every year on multiple continents, to sometimes include North America but, are easily treated if diagnosed quickly & not allowed to progress to end stage.
It's just mid 2020 now and in some 3rd world countries people have already died from Bubonic plague due to no speedy diagnosis and lack of antibiotics. Sadly, it is usually children.
@@Madriveroutfitters well that statement aged well :D
Grinning Goat r/wooosh
@@omnivorouscarbon4234 , at least 2 cases of bubonic plague in the Western USA so far just since my post a month ago.
I think 1 of the people died from it. Maybe New Mexico or Nevada if I remember right.
I think you dismissed bamboo for big fish to soon there are a good amount of people who fish bamboo for steelhead same thing with Fiberglas I saw a guy who was fishing a bamboo Spey rod with a skagit head and a fifteen foot piece of t14 and it was casting fine but aside that great video keep up the great work
He didn't dismiss anything. He said that HE wouldn't. Big difference. Thanks for being here.
Lots of people do lots of things but it does not mean it is the ideal tool for the job. Just like older cars there are other reasons to do things other than purely buying the best most fitting specialist tool for each endeavor.
I went went to a local fly shop a few yrs back and I was looking at the new sage spey rods. The owner came over and we talked rods, river systems, patterns and technique. In the end, he told me one of his all time favs is the echo swing switch, because he's caught more steelhead and large trout on that rod than any other. It happened to be the one I purchased, and saved me almost 700 bucks.
To this day, I now own a lot of sage rods, but that "cheaper" rod, has still landed more steelhead and lake browns than anything in my fishing kit. I was thankful for the honesty, and it is still one of my best go to rods.
Happens in a good and honest fly shop.
I appreciate your honesty.
chonch burger Thanks for watching!
A great and informative video. I use 4 piece rods in part because I travel on motorcycles to fishing spots. The 4 piece is the only rod I can carry easily on a motorcycle.
4 piece is pretty much all there is these days. And for good reason. Thanks.
Thanks Brian, good job with telling the truth.
RONALD FISHER We always do our best to share the truth.
Such an honest bloke explaining expensive rod choice-top man Brian
Thanks for watching.
love the honesty about fly rods.
Thanks for watching.
Had a lot of luck with my TFO rod and it wasn’t overly expensive. Wish it wasn’t a 5/6 wt though. Makes it kinda confusing in which it is. But it works for what i use it for. Great video as always!
Just pick a number and go with it!!! Thanks for being here.
I found the tfo 5/6 is closer to a 6/7. I catch silver and pink salmon on it. 🤷♂️ and 6-7wt casts better in it than a 5. That fast action is what I think it is. But get the right line and it’s a rocket. I had to switch around till I found what worked best with mine. But ive found that with other rods also. Weight forward also. Send it!
Thanks for doing this video. I must say I just bought a $600 Orvis Recon 7wt.. (Made in America) I used to build rods 35 years ago. Either things have changed a LOT or Orvis does not know how to build rods. The spline is way off on all 4 sections. I have not used it yet but no second chance for a first impression. Thanks again for your videos and knowledge.
Thanks for watching.
I hear you. I used to build my own rods, starting with a kit from Herters. I could make just what I desired. Ever hear of a 10' 2wt combo fly/spin combo? It worked well for canoe fly fishing and for crappie spinning. I use FG for general fishing, for spey graphite.
Great respect to you Mr.Brian Flechsig for your GENUINE & HONEST answer {regarding the question for 50 $ or 1000 $ rod which ones will make you catch more fish} 👍
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.
@11:00 , Love the honesty.
I have played paintball for 30+years and my favorite eliminations were with my cheapest ($30) markers vs my more expensive ($600+) markers.
If you master your technique, you can use almost any tools.
So….very…..true. Thanks for watching.
Luv the straight forward answers, and honesty, and its true I saltwater fish all the time my set up cost was under $150 bucks, but I find deals on fly rods and reels at garage sales, second hand stores, even pawn shops I got a Berkeley 8wt rod for $12 bucks had to put a Forward tip on it $5 bucks total $17 brand new still had the labels and stickers on it ! , so I have the deepest admiration bro you live the dream that most of us would love to have , to be able to fish , enjoy , and get paid to do it ! Keep up the great videos 👍🏼.
Thanks for watching. Hopefully you still support a good ol' fly shop every now and then?
I'm VERY impressed with your honesty I will do my best to help support y'all thanks
Thanks for being here.
I really appreciate your honesty. I have Scientific Anglers rods and an Orvis combo and I catch equal amounts of fish on both. The more I learn and the more I fish the more and bigger fish I catch. This is why I watch your videos. Thank You so much for your knowledge you share with us.
Glad you are here. Stay tuned.
I love the openness and honesty. I will be getting all my fly fishing gear from your website from here on out. Thank you again.
Thanks for being here. Feel free to call the shop anytime with questions about purchases. Always happy to help.
Oh my crab shirt! Love that color way on the “Butterstick”
Thanks for being here.
Well let’s hear the or see the fly fishing for CRAB show.
Yes! To hear someone say the high-end rods are over hype. Love it.
Thanks for watching.
I appreciate your honesty! I recently bought an entry level fly rod setup to give fly fishing a try, and see how it goes. What I’ll learn from this setup should help me moving forward or heck I might love the rod setup and keep fishing with it regardless of the $100 dollar price tag I paid 👍🏽
Thanks for watching. Fish with what you got!!!
Love your honesty, and that is not BS.
Thanks for watching.
Thank
you for your honest answer about fly rods
Thanks for watching.
Hi Brian Lindsay from New Zealand. I have come across a couple of your Mad River presentations and find interesting them very informative.I have recently retired and switched from saltwater boating and lake spinning, to fly fishing our NZ rivers and lakes. Never been the greatest fisherman, but joined a club, put aside an old 2 piece NZ fiberglass rod for a moderate priced carbon #8 4 piece and had some success. Wish I had done it sooner.
Thanks for being here and please stay tuned.
A huge thank you for those questions! And especially for such to the point answers! I’ve been fishing for a while and those questions run my mind as well
Thanks for watching!
So dang refreshing to hear the truth for a change. I subscribe, of course, so I get to catch them all. Thanks so much for the time you put in on the videos, I’m sure you’d rather be fishin!
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.
You guys should come out and fish Utah, it’s a great time!
We do that pretty often. Regulars on the Green River to be exact. Thanks.
Late to the game here, I just recently started fly fishing after many years of large mouth fishing heavy tackle . You got my sub the second you started speaking truth about the high end fly rods. I am sure they are very nice, but I have had some of my best days fishing on Walmart specials . Great video, great info, keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.
Wow. Honesty. Truth. You’ve earned my business.
Seems rare doesn't it? We appreciate that and kinda why we are here. Thanks.
Thanks a lot for all details about fly fishing . I’m new in fly fishing with Cabelas 9/6/4 rod so far watching this guy videos he helping me a lot . Thanks again.!
Thanks for watching. Sounds like Cabelas is a bit confused on what that rod is though. Let us know if we can help.
@@Madriveroutfitters I’m guessing 9ft 6weight 4 piece rod
I'm from Illinois ben a catfisher, man my whole life I'm 50 however years ago I quit after are river got polluted when a railcars, came off tracks and whatever was dumped into my river looked like a war zone with dead fish every foot floating on surface. Started watching your videos 2 days ago feel a light starting to burn in my heart when I get the chance to start this I will come to your place the miles are not going to matter thank you.
We'd be honored. Thanks for watching and happy to inspire.
These videos are the best. Im loving this channel.
Glad you are here! Stay tuned and stay in touch.
Thanks for the honesty...
Thanks for watching!
Good answer, the right rod and fly line for the right application is what really matters.
Thanks for watching.
I'm brand new. I have a tfo nxt black label combo that has been very solid.
Yes, they are.
I dont have a lot of money bought me a $60 fly rod/reel combo and I've caught sunfish and bass so far I love it, yes i would like to be able to buy the high end names but for now i really enjoy what i have. Love the videos lots of info.
Big Dee That’s what’s important! Have fun and let us know when ready to upgrade.
Upgrade your rod, before your reel. A better rod will make everything more enjoyable. You cast 100x more than you reel fish in.
I may have not seen all your videos, but this must have been the funniest so far! True to the bone, too!
Well done! 👍🏻
Thanks for watching.
Thank you everybody at Mad River Outfitters for these great videos. They are an absolute pleasure to watch and just pure gold for beginners. That being said, I was wondering what you think about 6 piece rods. Will that affect the action in a negative way?
Thanks for watching and we appreciate the kind words. As Brian states here though, please send any and all questions to the shop via e-mail. admin@madriveroutfitters.com
Brian, you are my favorite UA-camr. You’re just straightforward and knowledgeable. It’s like getting advice from a family member of very good friend. I have signed up to Mad River’s email list, subscribed to the channel and have items in my cart although I haven’t taken the plunge as of yet, mostly because I won’t be fly fishing until next summer. I look forward to watching more of your videos. ✌🏽🙏🏽🤙🏽🐟🎣
Thanks for watching. Let us know when ready and we'll be happy to help.
I have a few fly rods. All pretty budget models but my favorite is my orvis starter rod/reel. I got it as a kit when I first started and it splits the middle in length/weight. It is perfect for steelhead and large mouth bass.
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Brian also touches on this in episode four of the intro to fly fishing series where basically some people just want to cast slow and some want to cast fast. For myself I like having the extra time in between my my casting strokes, it just feels more natural.
Exactly! Thanks for watching.
Great information! Thanks
Couldn't stop staring at the crab shirt
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Brian,
Great info as always, and I do love my Butterstick, but I also have graphite rods as well. But I’m guessing your gonna hear it from the purists on both of these questions, especially on the cheap verses expensive rods. How can expensive not be better ? Personally, I prefer middle of the road, where you can get good quality at a decent price. Keep the videos coming. I always look forward to learning something new.
That's why we offer a variety of rods....brands....materials.....actions etc. Something for everyone here at MRO. We'll keep doing them as long as folks keep supporting the shop.
The impact of the cost of the rod on ability to catch fish reminds me of golf. Years ago I played golf with a guy who had a 20 year old set of clubs and persimmon woods...and he could be the pants off most people because his technique was impeccable. A good user = good results. Poor user = poor results.
Spot on right. "It's not the pen but the penmanship".
Watch your videos and they've been very informative. I've gone out of my way to order from you guys on a couple occasions. It's the right thing to do! Keep doing what you're doing!
We truly appreciate it. As long as folks keep supporting the shop, we’ll keep making videos. So far, so good.
Thanks for the info! MRO for life!
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I have a true temper carboloy fly rod that I found and kind of restored. It's a little on the heavy side. I think it's a sportsman or something like that. The ones I researched online look like they're from the late 40s maybe early 50s. It's reeeeeally slow action and I only use 5 weight line on it and only small flies
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
When I was giving new fly fishers casting lessons it was so easy to tell that their equiptment came from a commission business.They almost always showed up with the most expensive rod and reel combo.The biggest problem was that the rod for a beginner should be more forgiving(softer action)than the high tech super fast material of the top dollar rods.So are $1000 rods better?Sure for the salesperson for sure.
That's why we don't work on commission like the big box stores for example. We are in it for the long haul, not for a quick buck. Thanks for watching.
new anglers learn best on cheap equipment imo. not just because of the softer action but because you gain an appreciation for the little things that expensive rods do better.
Great info. as always. So much to learn about this sport. This is THE PLACE to go for answers and info.
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned. We are just getting started!!!
Oh...and hopefully THE PLACE to go for fly fishing gear, flies and apparel as well.
I've Fallin in love with fiber glass rods, I had two graphite rods that were ok but I broke then easily ( I run a surface drive out board because I tore up a regular out board). Anyways I use two fiberglass rods right now and love them, the shorter length is nice were I fish, most cast are under 40 feet for me and they are a joy to fish. And I'm catching bass and pike and bowfin on them ones an 8 wt and ones a 10 wt.
Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing.
Ive just started out fly fishing and i watch your videos all the time
Thanks for being here.
Enjoyed the video and you earned my subscription by hitting us with the truth about fly rod price point. Thanks for shooting us straight!
Thanks for that. We always try to tell the truth....at least as we understand it anyways. Stay tuned.
Took my glass fly rod smallmouth fishing yesterday. Lost 5 bucks worth of flies and two nice bass. It’s like fishing with a spaghetti noodle.
Thanks for sharing.
For 6 years I tied flies for a living and many times I "tied" some top shelf and "budget" Orvis and Sage fly rods because the wife didn't know (no large bank withdrawals). My favorite for small trout streams got broken (didn't have the 25 yr warranty...Green Mountain...it was early 90s) and within weeks a buddy was going out West, was running out of money and wanted some flies and offered a cheap Cortland for barter. That cheap fly rod became my fave for years. However, first chance I got to get an Orvis Superfine "expensive Top Shelf" Brook Trout 7-9 4 wt, I bought it. Brian is right, cheap rods can work and work very well but the "top shelf" rods are a little better...but that only counts when you fish a LOT. And yes, they are all 2pc and I'm planning a Bahamas bonefish trip and got to buy a 4pc now. LOL. Brian is giving good advice here.
Thanks for watching and for the input. Much appreciated.
Can't wait to make it up to Columbus and see you guys!
Hope to see you soon. In the meantime, be sure to check out our website. Entire store is on there.
Much respect for your honesty!!!
Thanks for being here.
For traditional styles of fly fishing, I would agree with the majority of what is presented. However, I believe competition and euro nymphing rods DO help you catch more fish as they become better and more sensitive (often the case with higher end rods). This happens to be technique specific but I digress. You CAN catch fish with inexpensive rods however.
Thanks for the input.
I have a 7 piece Orvis Rod it cost me $399 and I absolutely love it it's a 5 weight 8 1/2 ft the tube I carry with it is about a foot and a half I can literally put it in my pocket and walk with it, It cast very smooth also there is a lifetime warranty so if you were to ever break for whatever reason no questions asked they replace it and if that model is no longer available they replace it with equal value model but you must have every piece even the broken piece and send it in to have it replaced
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@@Madriveroutfitters no sir ,I thank you for sharing👍
I started on glass but after buying a graphite rod, I'm sold.
Still take out the fiberglass out for fun.
Fiberglass can be a blast but graphite rules. Thanks for being here.
I really like your videos. Alot of info for us newbies.
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LOL Butter Stick! Like slicing through hot butter? :) Loved the video! One of the best yet!!!
Thanks.
Love your honesty 👍
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Thank you for your honesty and integrity. I have the $1400 custom fly rod but could not agree more.
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If fishing is your passion I’d say the money is worth it. Some guys buy $20,000 motorcycles. Some people take bong hits from $10,000 bongs lol . I’d never spend more than $1,000 bong and 500$ fishing rod and reel 🤣😂
I haven't really dipped my feet in yet with fly fishing. I will say though that I catch a ton of trout on my little spinner rod and reel that cost me maybe 40 bucks. So, I would have to agree that it's mostly in the technique.
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I am brand new to fly fishing so here is my question . Is there a difference between a expensive or a cheap fly? p.s love your vids
Please send your questions over to the shop via e-mail or give them a call. They will be happy to help/answer. Thanks for watching.
Need to come to North Idaho!!!
We’ll be right there……hold on.
I have a Sage Graphite III 9-WT 9 foot rod that's maybe 30 years old. It's a two piece. Still is a great rod, but I wouldn't want to try to take it on an airline flight these days.
Tough traveling with the 2 piecers.
10 wt. Sage Motive rod and Sage 2200 reel. Smooth and fast.
Nice!
Love your honesty
Thanks for watching and please stay tuned. More to come!!!!
@ 11:20 😂 💗👍 If I were to go out and buy a $1000 rod, I would 100% buy it from you Sir. No one NEEDS a Ferrari to get to work, but if you can afford one, the drive sure is fun. Thanks for calling it like it is.
The drive is in fact fun, but very few of us can afford. Especially us, we work at a fly shop!!!! Thanks for watching and please stay tuned.
Brian is out there doing God's work.
He is certainly "On a mission"..........
Thank you very much! I've been watching your channel and have subscribed, and you've been the most helpfull!
More vids please.
Thanks for being here! As long as folks keep supporting the shop, we’ll keep making videos.
good explain!
Thanks for watching.
Thanks, Mad River Outfitters. Good and clear answers! Can I ask you some questions...?
Thanks for watching. Send those questions over to the shop at admin@madriveroutfitters.com and they will be happy to help.
Brian thanks for yet another great video & agree & disagree,cheap fly rods are great if all your seeking is small trout,but overall spending less than $150 is not much fun,the action & feel make spending the extra money more enjoyable on the water
Gotcha and true, but that wasn't really the question. Thanks for watching and stay tuned. Maybe he'll do a follow-up on the benefits of high end rods.
It's such a personal opinion question. I like his answer, although, I think with a caveat. $50 is gonna get you like a Martin combo with a bunch of flies you'll never actually use and probably terrible line. If nothing else, I think good line makes a huge difference. Also, while I sort of agree with his points, I think you can state that skill and technique are MORE important, but good equipment helps, especially if you're a good but not great fisherman. Moreover, fly fishing really isn't a hobby where the word "need" should ever really be used anyway. I like expensive rods because I love the feel and look and I think they make it easier to cast well. I certainly don't need them, but I really don't need to be out pissing off fish then throwing them back in the water anyway. The entire hobby is for enjoyment, so the question should be if the cost is justified to you in enjoyment, not in necessarily catching more fish.
Whats better a shorter rod or is longer the better?
Please contact the shop with your questions and they will be happy to help. Thanks.
New to your channel I'm glad I found your channel btw I subscribed immediately also. You teached me a lot already. I have to say I love your honesty. Of course I want a 1000 dollar fly rod but it's not in my budget the ol lady wld skin me alive lol. I'm in for about a 100 dollar range myself. Thanks again
Thanks for being here. We all WANT at 1000 dollar fly rod but reality is typically different than want.
Wow honesty...that rare
Brian always says that if we don't have integrity as a company, we don't have anything. Honesty is the best business model. Thanks for being here.
Many points I can agree with-bamboo is not for beginners and not for saltwater and actually I'd use it only for dry fly fishing. But there bamboo is MAGIC and nothing comes close. You know what they say-with a glass rod you can tell the species of the fish, with bamboo you can feel its heartbeat.😀
And also-yes, you CAN tell the difference between 1K rod and 50$ rod. I'd even say you can tell the difference between the top end rod and the second best. If you know what to look for, this difference is YUGE.
Will it catch you more fish?No. Are top of the line rods absolutely necessary? No. But they are real nice to have. Top end rods are absolute joy to cast. Except for Asquith. Which isn't.
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Same question , but in relation to fly lines . Is a Rio costing £120 , better than a £45 Airflo ? I wouldn't say there's enough in it to justify the extra money . I'd be interested to hear your thoughts .
Please send your questions over to the shop at admin@madriveroutfitters.com, as he states here, and they will be happy to help. Thanks!
I like and prefer a fiberglass rod! Slower motion and all. when I fish small streams and small waters. I was so disappointed when in the 80' and 90's the fly trout industry went carbon. For bigger waters I fish open face spinning reels carbon rods.
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"Pretty sure the plegue is already cured..." Oh boy, the contextual difference 8 months can provide is amazing.
Good point. He should have known not to say that.
@@Madriveroutfitters love the channel!!
@@Madriveroutfitters how could he have known
@@therealshino4607 Oh.....he knows things.
@@Madriveroutfitters He didn’t warn anyone!?
Just found you Brian. LOVE the videos. I've been FF for over 15 years, but I still find myself watching your more basic videos. (I can always learn something new.) You're an awesome presenter and I'll be looking to you guys for future online purchases just to pay it back. Thanks!
Thanks a ton. We really appreciate that and it helps us keep the fire burning (making new videos).
Can I buy the redington salmon combo and in case I want to use it for trouts just change the leader? Thank you
Depends on the flies? Give a call or send an email to the shop with further questions and they will be happy to help. Thanks.
If I hook a big bass on my zero weight will i still b able to land it?
Possibly! Give it a shot.
You've fished all over the world, but I've found myself in the Philippines and would love to have some advice on how to fish there. Either salt or fresh waters
Scotsman in the Philippines Thanks for being here. Send Brian a note as he states here and he’ll be happy to share what he knows.
Whats you thoughts on 8wt orvis rods
Please contact the shop with your questions and they will be happy to help. Thanks.
An I have a 9ft Bamboo, cut down into a 4 PCs or 2 PCs?
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I live in ketchum Idaho. Have you ever fished here we have some great trout fishing here.
Yes, many of the guys and gals in the shop fish Idaho regularly.