Sport bike rider sits leaning forward, helmet facing slightly downward so the sun is blocked by the brow area of the helmet. Tall chin guard doesn’t interfere with lower vision because the helmet is tipped downward and you can see over it. Adv. rider sits upright so peak helps block the sun. Use a sport helmet sitting too upright and the sun is blinding at the top of the face shield and a tall chin guard blocks downward visibility. That’s why Adv. helmets have an oversized field of vision & peak.
Strip of electrical tape across the top of my shoei GT air visor has done me well over the years on my adv bike. Still has a good eye port, and tons of venting. And can close it up in winter.
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@@YankiRides You did great! I just finished this video and am now researching the Scorpion flip helmets - thanks to this video - as that is the style I've been intending to buy. Thanks again, and yes - I will be going through your channel. 👍
I thought ADV helmets were a waste of money and started the TAT with my Shoei RF1200... on the fourth day of the trip I shipped the Shoei home and bought a Bell ADV helmet. While I still think some of the design elements of ADV helmets are pointless (the visor thing that's too small to actually do anything a visor SHOULD be able to do), and some features are sorta decent but don't make enough of a difference to be worth getting a helmet for (the jutting out chin bar design that I guess flows air better?)... there is ONE thing that makes them 100% essential for offroad ADV... the face opening large enough to allow you to wear goggles... that's it... that's the feature that makes them worth buying and all you need to do is follow someone on a dusty dirt track for about 5 minutes to make buying a dedicated ADV helmet worth it. I bought an ADV helmet rather than a dual sport helmet (I think the only difference is that the ADV helmets have normal visors too) and the rest of my trip I had delightfully dust free eyes. So now I'm a believer... good ADV helmet and good goggles for offroad focused ADV (BDR's, TAT, Etc...), really any lower speed trips (the ADV helmet lightness means they're not going to be as safe as a proper street helmet from a top tier vendor)
@@YankiRidesI have the same 100% goggles too... I always assumed my face would get hot but they seem to move enough air to keep relatively comfortable even at moderate offroad speeds.
@@kuhndj67 I had the same concern lol. Took them to Mohave and that concern was immediately squashed. I’m saving up for the HYPER version. Had a buddy let me use some, and it’s like LasikPlus for off-road riding lmao
I ride a Himalayan 411and the windshield is quite turbulent, which is why I opted for a Bell Assassin street helmet in the first instance. I didn't want a peak grabbing the wind, but I would appreciate one around sunset most times because sunglasses have their limit.
Seems to be a common complaint with the Himalayan. I haven’t spent a lot of time on one, but the few times I did, I noticed that as well. Aftermarket windscreens may be your solution.
@@YankiRides I'm OK with the original windshield (cuts down the cold, bugs, dirt) and the street helmet manages the turbulence. Other Himalayan riders seem to manage adventure helmets with peaks on long rides with the stock windshield. Guess I'll wait until I'm rich enough to experiment with a second helmet.
Don't use a dirt/ADV helmet anymore. Don't like all the open space as it lets in too much air and affects the dryness of my eyes. My Arai Quantum lets in all the air I need or want, when I want it. Don't like goggles, so don't care about that. I did like having the visor for low sun in the winter, but that's all I miss about my XD4.
I have the same MX9, bought it exactly as a test as I always wanted the adventure helmet. After a year riding only on roads I like that helmet a lot. The positives (at least for me) are the better view compared to integral helmet, better airflow - I didn't have any issues with fogging like before, MIPS for safety. The peak is nice to block the sun but as you said not always work. The lift can happen especially at higher speeds and when I look left/right under certain angle. It also depends on the motorcycle one has - naked bikes you will feel it, touring, adv not so much. It can be quickly removed which is a nice bonus. Negatives are that it is loud, but earplugs solve it. The vents although great has 2 negatives - when it gets colder you will feel it and in heavy rain water will get inside. Also I have tinted visor as MX9 doesn't have a shade, love the look even more and combined with peak sun is rarely an issue.
Winter in a dual sport helmet sucks lol. That’s why I usually daily the scorpion. It’s great in the cooler months. There is a reason I keep my bell ready to go lol
It's hot where I live, so I really like the large aperture provided by my Scorpion ADX-1 and HJC C80 ADV-style helmets. Thanks to the tall windscreen of my Tiger, I usually ride with the visor up most of the time (unless it rains) with the drop-down shade being sufficient to keep the wind out of my eyes - the extra ventilation provided by the large aperture is always a blessing! The flip-up chinbar is indispensable at border crossings and when touring as it allows you to talk to people easily and more respectfully (by having the courtesy to actually show your face).
Same same. I love the scorpion, nearly in every aspect. I only wish it was a smidge lighter, but then again, I have several things attached to my helmet, so the weight gets a little out of control after a while
I bought a Scorpion XT9000 as my first helmet back in June. I got lucky that Scorpion just happened to release it when I was buying my first set of gear. Very lightweight carbon fiber shell and comes with clear and tinted pinlock ready visors with one pinlock insert. Ventilation is good, relatively quiet inside, comes with a chin curtain, and also comes with an action cam mount. The visor can be closed over goggle straps (I've tried). I've ridden with the peak on it at 70+ on the highway and it did fine.
Tbh, I don't think you need amy more than a Bell MX Mips ADV. I had one and I found it amazing in the city for low speed ventilation. Obviously very good off road with goggles. It is loud at speed. But you should always wear earplugs anyway if you're doing long highway miles. If you're doing ADV riding, you should get a windshield set up on your bike that should do most of the buffeting. This basically removes most of the need for the on road compromises. I got a much, much more expensive Arai to replace my MX Mips and i honestly would prefer my cheaper bell. The ventilation is much worse on and off road and the noise reduction just isn't worth it. I could have gotten two Bell helmets for the same price.
Awesome comparison man. I just want to add another reason for the visor is that you can turn your head down to protect your face shield or goggles from the roost of riders in front of you or bushes and branches sticking into the trail.
thats a fair point. i have heard that before, but for some reason i never really think of that when im riding. i put a lot of faith in the 100% lenses lmao
@@YankiRides haha yeah I think the roost protection probably applies more to people racing. I only find my self using it when pushing through branches on tight trails.
I have become a bit of a helmet collector. Much cheaper than buying extra bikes and no insurance needed. I have the AT950. it works very well, but does get heavy esp when i have my Osmo on it. When I'm around town, I pick the superhero helmet that my mood fits for the day. If its smoking hot, I prefer the MX9 as well. The airflow is great, and its super light. I don't have the adventure with the visor, so its even lighter. I really like having a peak when I'm touring. Sometimes, sunglasses and the drop down visor isn't enough. Solid topic. take it easy.
@@YankiRides I forgot to mention above, on my 950, I took the little sliding vent closer in the chin off with a small screwdriver and it's the perfect size for the 3M GoPro mount, which saves a couple of ounces.
The Bell MX-9 MIPS is also well known to be perhaps the loudest helmet on the market. I've been digging my Klim Krios for the last year, and have not regretted buying it at all. The only other helmet that I would want to give a shot, right now, would be the Airoh Dual Sport helmet.. It's a little heavier than the Klim, but I think it looks dope.
I wear the mx-9, and a friend of mine had his Krios on the table that I picked up to move. I was shocked how light it was! It will very likely be my next helmet.
I ride mostly dual sports, so I do have a dual sport helmet, per Rayn at fortnine recommendation. It is a reasonably affordable helmet that does feel more premium than its price point. It’s the HJC DS-X1. I added a tinted shield since it does not come with a drop down shade. And anyone considering it should know that most people do change out the cheek pads since they are extremely tight for most people. But that’s no big deal because size L fits XL and XXL cheek pads. It has decent airflow. I live in the south, so that can always be better. But this is not my first helmet, and it’s a great helmet compared to everything else I’ve had. With that said, I do believe the next helmet I get will be carbon fiber because I can always use less weight. I was wondering about some of the other 100% goggles though... I have a pair of the cheapest, $40 pair, they work fine on this helmet, but I was wondering if some of the more expensive 100% like the Racetech or something with the outriggers, help relieve some of the pressure off your face? Mine don’t have outriggers.... Do they make a difference?
As you showed early on in your comparison, every rider should have at least 2 helmets; one for highway and one for off-road use. No ADV or street helmet can compare to the cooling of an true off-road helmet. People spend $10k or $25k for a motorcycle then suddenly claim they can not afford an extra $400 for a second helmet. Most experienced riders will tell you that they are much more likely to crash when they are hot, sweaty, and feeling fatigued from the heat. If the dedicated off-road helmet prevents one crash, is it not worth the money?
@@ImPistolKnight im spoiled with the tigers adjustable windshield, almost never have that issue, but if it weren't for that, I would take the peak off on the longer trips for sure
the wife and i had a come to jesus moment when we did a big clean this year, and I agreed to get rid of some of my helmets lol. now all I have is one bookshelf of helmets... i have a problem lol
Sport bike rider sits leaning forward, helmet facing slightly downward so the sun is blocked by the brow area of the helmet. Tall chin guard doesn’t interfere with lower vision because the helmet is tipped downward and you can see over it.
Adv. rider sits upright so peak helps block the sun. Use a sport helmet sitting too upright and the sun is blinding at the top of the face shield and a tall chin guard blocks downward visibility. That’s why Adv. helmets have an oversized field of vision & peak.
Good point! The rider geometry plays a huge part in gear selection.
I recently added an Arai XD4 and the difference in airflow is amazing over my Shoei Neotech 2, great video.
Thx for the ventilation info. I’m saving up for a helmet upgrade, and ventilation/cooling is a top priority. 👍🏻
Great video, looks like you're posting some great view numbers on. Keep up the good work and build on your momentum!
Thanks! Just trying to stay consistent while I plan for 2024!
*NO!* They’re awesome! To each is own. It also depends on what kind of motorcycle you ride.
100% agree :)
just found your channel, binging now !! ..........................JB..
welcome my friend, welcome!
I don't like an adv helmet for sporty rides. I love it for my daily commute when the sun is low.
Same. I’ll commute with the face shield up, drop down sun shield down. Super nice on the hotter months.
+better visibility and easier breathing
Strip of electrical tape across the top of my shoei GT air visor has done me well over the years on my adv bike. Still has a good eye port, and tons of venting. And can close it up in winter.
lol, i used to do that with a Scorpion modular years ago. tape them bad boys up and ride through winter!
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@@YankiRides You did great! I just finished this video and am now researching the Scorpion flip helmets - thanks to this video - as that is the style I've been intending to buy.
Thanks again, and yes - I will be going through your channel. 👍
I thought ADV helmets were a waste of money and started the TAT with my Shoei RF1200... on the fourth day of the trip I shipped the Shoei home and bought a Bell ADV helmet. While I still think some of the design elements of ADV helmets are pointless (the visor thing that's too small to actually do anything a visor SHOULD be able to do), and some features are sorta decent but don't make enough of a difference to be worth getting a helmet for (the jutting out chin bar design that I guess flows air better?)... there is ONE thing that makes them 100% essential for offroad ADV... the face opening large enough to allow you to wear goggles... that's it... that's the feature that makes them worth buying and all you need to do is follow someone on a dusty dirt track for about 5 minutes to make buying a dedicated ADV helmet worth it. I bought an ADV helmet rather than a dual sport helmet (I think the only difference is that the ADV helmets have normal visors too) and the rest of my trip I had delightfully dust free eyes.
So now I'm a believer... good ADV helmet and good goggles for offroad focused ADV (BDR's, TAT, Etc...), really any lower speed trips (the ADV helmet lightness means they're not going to be as safe as a proper street helmet from a top tier vendor)
When we were in South Dakota, and behind a pack of klr’s, I was glad I had the goggles with me lol
@@YankiRidesI have the same 100% goggles too... I always assumed my face would get hot but they seem to move enough air to keep relatively comfortable even at moderate offroad speeds.
@@kuhndj67 I had the same concern lol. Took them to Mohave and that concern was immediately squashed. I’m saving up for the HYPER version. Had a buddy let me use some, and it’s like LasikPlus for off-road riding lmao
I ride a Himalayan 411and the windshield is quite turbulent, which is why I opted for a Bell Assassin street helmet in the first instance. I didn't want a peak grabbing the wind, but I would appreciate one around sunset most times because sunglasses have their limit.
Hey man, try riding without the windshield. I have a Himy too and I bought a much smaller one.
Seems to be a common complaint with the Himalayan. I haven’t spent a lot of time on one, but the few times I did, I noticed that as well. Aftermarket windscreens may be your solution.
@@YankiRides I'm OK with the original windshield (cuts down the cold, bugs, dirt) and the street helmet manages the turbulence. Other Himalayan riders seem to manage adventure helmets with peaks on long rides with the stock windshield. Guess I'll wait until I'm rich enough to experiment with a second helmet.
Don't use a dirt/ADV helmet anymore. Don't like all the open space as it lets in too much air and affects the dryness of my eyes. My Arai Quantum lets in all the air I need or want, when I want it. Don't like goggles, so don't care about that. I did like having the visor for low sun in the winter, but that's all I miss about my XD4.
perfect example of what i was saying, right? ride in what you are comfortable in. love it.
I'm noticing a lack of a Smort helmet review here.... tsk tsk
Lmao
True.
I think it's just a fashion statement. The roost shield is not meant for high-speed.
some of the new ones handle it quite well, though i agree. for any long road trips i take it off.
I have the same MX9, bought it exactly as a test as I always wanted the adventure helmet. After a year riding only on roads I like that helmet a lot. The positives (at least for me) are the better view compared to integral helmet, better airflow - I didn't have any issues with fogging like before, MIPS for safety. The peak is nice to block the sun but as you said not always work. The lift can happen especially at higher speeds and when I look left/right under certain angle. It also depends on the motorcycle one has - naked bikes you will feel it, touring, adv not so much. It can be quickly removed which is a nice bonus. Negatives are that it is loud, but earplugs solve it. The vents although great has 2 negatives - when it gets colder you will feel it and in heavy rain water will get inside.
Also I have tinted visor as MX9 doesn't have a shade, love the look even more and combined with peak sun is rarely an issue.
Winter in a dual sport helmet sucks lol. That’s why I usually daily the scorpion. It’s great in the cooler months.
There is a reason I keep my bell ready to go lol
It's hot where I live, so I really like the large aperture provided by my Scorpion ADX-1 and HJC C80 ADV-style helmets. Thanks to the tall windscreen of my Tiger, I usually ride with the visor up most of the time (unless it rains) with the drop-down shade being sufficient to keep the wind out of my eyes - the extra ventilation provided by the large aperture is always a blessing! The flip-up chinbar is indispensable at border crossings and when touring as it allows you to talk to people easily and more respectfully (by having the courtesy to actually show your face).
Same same. I love the scorpion, nearly in every aspect. I only wish it was a smidge lighter, but then again, I have several things attached to my helmet, so the weight gets a little out of control after a while
Nose ring WTF Dude?
a present to myself when i turned 40 lol
Just got myself a CKX QUEST. cant wait to try it along with my 2024 T7 that will arrive in spring 😱😱😱
T7 is friggin fantastic!
I bought a Scorpion XT9000 as my first helmet back in June. I got lucky that Scorpion just happened to release it when I was buying my first set of gear. Very lightweight carbon fiber shell and comes with clear and tinted pinlock ready visors with one pinlock insert. Ventilation is good, relatively quiet inside, comes with a chin curtain, and also comes with an action cam mount. The visor can be closed over goggle straps (I've tried). I've ridden with the peak on it at 70+ on the highway and it did fine.
That one is on my list for sure.
Tbh, I don't think you need amy more than a Bell MX Mips ADV. I had one and I found it amazing in the city for low speed ventilation. Obviously very good off road with goggles. It is loud at speed. But you should always wear earplugs anyway if you're doing long highway miles. If you're doing ADV riding, you should get a windshield set up on your bike that should do most of the buffeting. This basically removes most of the need for the on road compromises. I got a much, much more expensive Arai to replace my MX Mips and i honestly would prefer my cheaper bell. The ventilation is much worse on and off road and the noise reduction just isn't worth it. I could have gotten two Bell helmets for the same price.
All fair arguments.
I never ride without earplugs. Makes a world of difference in. Sound fatigue
Awesome comparison man. I just want to add another reason for the visor is that you can turn your head down to protect your face shield or goggles from the roost of riders in front of you or bushes and branches sticking into the trail.
thats a fair point. i have heard that before, but for some reason i never really think of that when im riding. i put a lot of faith in the 100% lenses lmao
@@YankiRides haha yeah I think the roost protection probably applies more to people racing. I only find my self using it when pushing through branches on tight trails.
Adv riders don’t need that peek
A modular helmet is best IMO.
Supreme air flow with or without the tinted drop screen.
Full coverage when asked for 👍👍
@@BlazinBlades I guess it depends on the type of riding you use the bike for. I personally like and use the peak enough for me to want it.
@@BlazinBlades modulars are so awesome. this is my 3rd and I love them. especially for trail snackin'!
I have become a bit of a helmet collector. Much cheaper than buying extra bikes and no insurance needed. I have the AT950. it works very well, but does get heavy esp when i have my Osmo on it. When I'm around town, I pick the superhero helmet that my mood fits for the day. If its smoking hot, I prefer the MX9 as well. The airflow is great, and its super light. I don't have the adventure with the visor, so its even lighter.
I really like having a peak when I'm touring. Sometimes, sunglasses and the drop down visor isn't enough.
Solid topic. take it easy.
Speaking my language my guy. That’s the way to do it.
@@YankiRides I forgot to mention above, on my 950, I took the little sliding vent closer in the chin off with a small screwdriver and it's the perfect size for the 3M GoPro mount, which saves a couple of ounces.
Prefer a modular in the winter and a adv/ds in the summer. Fortunate enough to have three different helmets to accommodate what I am doing
Same. Got a winter helmet, summer helmet, and a touring helmet
Got the shoei hornet. Looks sexy with goggles and feels great
i have seen quite a few of those, i like the chine bar, looks mean
The Bell MX-9 MIPS is also well known to be perhaps the loudest helmet on the market.
I've been digging my Klim Krios for the last year, and have not regretted buying it at all. The only other helmet that I would want to give a shot, right now, would be the Airoh Dual Sport helmet.. It's a little heavier than the Klim, but I think it looks dope.
The bell is super loud. With my loop earplugs I barely notice it though. I can tell the difference when I wear a quieter helmet for sure lol
@@YankiRides Do you know of another that is more quiet than the MX-9 MIPS ? ADV type I got a motocross helmet but like the flip down visor and visor?
@@mt1885 don’t really have any experience with others right now, though I hear good things about the LS2 explorer and the explorer carbon
@@YankiRides Will check it out thanks!
I wear the mx-9, and a friend of mine had his Krios on the table that I picked up to move. I was shocked how light it was! It will very likely be my next helmet.
Something is wrong with me... my only take away from this is the "Floppy and gross" comment at 11:58... but yay!
LOL
I ride mostly dual sports, so I do have a dual sport helmet, per Rayn at fortnine recommendation. It is a reasonably affordable helmet that does feel more premium than its price point. It’s the HJC DS-X1. I added a tinted shield since it does not come with a drop down shade. And anyone considering it should know that most people do change out the cheek pads since they are extremely tight for most people. But that’s no big deal because size L fits XL and XXL cheek pads. It has decent airflow. I live in the south, so that can always be better. But this is not my first helmet, and it’s a great helmet compared to everything else I’ve had. With that said, I do believe the next helmet I get will be carbon fiber because I can always use less weight.
I was wondering about some of the other 100% goggles though... I have a pair of the cheapest, $40 pair, they work fine on this helmet, but I was wondering if some of the more expensive 100% like the Racetech or something with the outriggers, help relieve some of the pressure off your face? Mine don’t have outriggers.... Do they make a difference?
i have a few different googles, but the drop frames was a game changer. so much more comfortable.
First
I don't get a choice...I wear glasses
i dont miss those days. i remember the first time i rode after getting Lasik, i was like... " damn, i have so much room in this helmet! lol
@@YankiRidessame here, no more fogged glasses on a cold day. What good is a pinlock visor if your glasses fog up?
As you showed early on in your comparison, every rider should have at least 2 helmets; one for highway and one for off-road use. No ADV or street helmet can compare to the cooling of an true off-road helmet. People spend $10k or $25k for a motorcycle then suddenly claim they can not afford an extra $400 for a second helmet. Most experienced riders will tell you that they are much more likely to crash when they are hot, sweaty, and feeling fatigued from the heat. If the dedicated off-road helmet prevents one crash, is it not worth the money?
absolutely. i preach fatigue avoidance through gear all the time.
Yeah but you don’t want a peak dragging your neck in highway speed “off”
@@ImPistolKnight im spoiled with the tigers adjustable windshield, almost never have that issue, but if it weren't for that, I would take the peak off on the longer trips for sure
Same as you mate. I’ve got a helmet for my R6, one for my yz and one for my t7
the wife and i had a come to jesus moment when we did a big clean this year, and I agreed to get rid of some of my helmets lol. now all I have is one bookshelf of helmets... i have a problem lol
I've had drop down shades on both my helmets. Makes a huge difference specially while wearing prescription glasses.
Great video dude
I never tell people they need a drop down sun visor... but i 100% tell that they won't regret having it lol
@@YankiRides specially if you only have a clear visor. Night and day 😎