Read Fiducia Supplicans and then the statement issued by your Bishops Conference. You shall observe and discover complete alignment. You shall also notice that these statements for the various Bishops Conferences for a nation or region are only issued once. The confusion is generated by the Agents of Chaos and Confusion which pretend to be apologists or spokespeople for the Catholic Church. The wheat and chaff shall be separated. Pax Christi
@@sA-ny2jl Yes, the wheat and chaff will have to be separated. Some have said this may be the start of the falling away St Paul says must come first..I think they may be right. I carefully read FS and found it containes the spirit of the devil (not kidding) when he deceived Eve in the beginning with deceptive justifications and a few straight up lies hiden in there. I dont have anyhting against Pope Francis until reading FS and so now he has crossed a line into heresy and should be removed IMO...Catholics deserve better than that.
What you are seeing is the fulfillment of the prophecies of Our Lady of LaSallette, Fatima and Akita. "Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Anti-christ" LaSalette The Fatima Secret was Satan would infiltrate the Church. There would be apostasy. "Apostasy would begin at the top." Akita Look up the orgins of the St. Michael prayer and the vision of Pope Leo XIII on OCTOBER 13, 1884. Do you recognize the date? 33 years later The Miracle of the Sun. It parallels the woman clothed with the sun in the Book of the Apocalypse.
I'm a well catechised Catholic. This document, Fiducia Supplicans, is ambiguous and confusing. Written by a modernist and signed off by the pope, it weaponises ambiguity. Sin cannot be blessed.
As a well catechised Catholic, FS is not ambiguous and confusing as you claim. It is a Declaration on the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings. Ordained ministers understand it clearly. Many Bishops Conferences have released statements in support of FS. It is actually the agents of chaos and confusion who repeatedly “proclaim” the false narrative. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church speaks as One; not through individuals. Pax Christi
@@chrissobolewski5509 You seem not to be a well catechised Catholic. Magesterial teaching fails the test when over 1000 bishops and multiple bishop conferences refuse to implement the document. As the legal test states, "res ipse loquitur."
@@davidsprouse151 The false narrative is that the words of Fiducia Supplicans are being twisted; that statements issued by the various Bishops Conferences are not presented in full in selecting words/phrase in isolation and presenting a false narrative. Read the FULL statements for yourself. Pax Christi
this is just ridiculous . manipulating the word . the reason why all of us are here is because God ordained marriage between a man and a woman. thats what gives rise to another child .
They aren't sinful for being who they are! Good grief. The sin is eroticism--having sex outside of a commited, loving relationship aka marriage. God isn't homophobic but people are.
Read the documents playfully - an individual or couple that are struggling in life, who as the leper (all outcasts) begged kneeling before Jesus “If you will; make me clean”. Jesus said”I will; be clean” Nowhere in FS is the sexual relationship being blessed, whether in regular or in irregular situations. But then, whenever I sin against the Written Word/Decalogue/Commandments ( read the Catechism of the Catholic Church for expanded detail), should I be denied the Grace of God, through a blessing, to help my change of heart and mind? Pax Christi
Exactly. Anything else just isn't a marriage. But if you no longer believe in God or anything much as our ruling elites don't, then marriage can mean whatever you want it to mean.
I had to come up with my own protocol for this a couple years ago, and I decided that the official statement was that there is no such thing as a same-sex Christian marriage, but if people get married at the courthouse and are a same-sex couple, I will be reasonably nice to them, while maintaining the traditional view of Christian marriage. It was actually put to the test at the after-dinner of my maternal grandmother’s funeral. There were two male Pentecostal ministers at the funeral service at the funeral home, and a volunteer lady from my grandmother’s church served a buffet they sent to my cousin’s barn venue for the dinner. One of of my older male cousin’s daughter was at the dinner with her legal wife, and as I spoke to all the people at each table, I had to see them and be introduced. I knew the father from my childhood but not his daughter and her legal same-sex spouse. I reminded myself that I was going to be nice even though I don’t believe they have a Christian marriage, and I think all I said to the spouse was, “Hi, it’s nice to meet you.”
Catholic teaching is that a marriage is the indissoluble and union between one man and one woman, open to the possibility of procreation. This teaching remains unchanged even with the latest FS Declaration. As Catholics or Christians, we should treat all individuals with the dignity, however we need not condone their sin Pax Christi
I’m not an expert on the subject, but I think they let the women get away with it, and the men are supposed to do it standing up, so as not to “lie” with one another.
I usually develop ideas based on what I have seen other people do. One reads the official rules, obverses peers and elders, and then tries to come up with something sensible. 🤷♂️
@@zdog1490 Grace and Peace, I would encourage you to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, freely available on the Holy See website, the teaching on The Sacrament of Matrimony §1601-1666 and The Sixth Commandment §2331-2400. Pax Christi
When the Roman Catholic Church condemns their own history for hunting down Luther, condemning Christians as heretics, burning 300 of my brothers and sisters in Christ at the stake (between 1553-1558) and embraces the Biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone, ceases to practice idolatry and the praying to Mary and dead saints and denounces the detestable doctrine of transubstantiation, and the headship of the pope I might be interested in a single word they have to say. Until then, I defy the pope and all his laws.
@@davidsprouse151 "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." What makes you refer to that passage?
The same-sex couple ‘blessing’ causes a number of questions. What is a homosexual couple seeking by asking for a blessing? What is the Church offering in response? What is the Holy Spirit called for and what is exactly being blessed? What is a spiritual purpose of such a ‘blessing’ and what sort of a particular help it intends to provide? Love and acceptance can make miracles of soul transformation, and Pope Francis' vision on the same-sex unions seems to be about love and acceptance. Yet, the same-sex couple blessing would make sense if the Church dumps viewing the same-sex relationship per ser as a sin. Without that, such a 'blessing' appears conflicting and self-contradictory. The entire issue of the homosexuality as such and the sin does not look straightforward at all. For example, some people refer to Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them". Does this mean that about 4% of human population should be now "put to death"? Would it be a proclaimed Christian way of love and acceptance? Would it be compatible with the words of our Lord: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone" (John 8:7)? Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 6:9,10 was talking specifically about "men who have sex with men" with the intention to just satisfy their lust, but said nothing about homosexuality as such. The Holy Scripture condemns sexual lust in all its appearances - ‘traditional’ and ‘pervert’, but says nothing at all specifically about homosexuality and same sex people, who want to live together in love and faith. Nevertheless, this unlikely defends the incompatibility of the same-sex couple blessing with the current Church doctrines and policies. Faithfully yours, bishop Vincent Berg.
genesis 1:31 God Himself said that man was very good. This is an expression of pleasure; He was pleased with what He had accomplished. If we were very good when He created us, then that must include the nature He created us with. Does God take pleasure in a nature that is enmity against Him (Romans 8:7)? Not at all, which indicates very strongly that, as He created us and as we are born, we do not have the nature that we later come to have that is enmity against Him. Hateful, human nature is something that develops because God put a spirit in us that other spirits, either God Himself or the spirit of this world, are able to communicate with (I Corinthians 2:10-12). If the spirit that He is talking about in Genesis 1:31 was very good, then why has human history been a recording of violence, disease, anguish of spirit? Why is there so much bitterness, anger, prejudice, resentment, doubt, self-pity, vanity, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, and lust? Nowhere in God's Word are these called good or even acceptable. Those traits do not come from God. He did not create us that way. God is love. He is kind, generous, good, merciful. We can honestly conclude that they do not come from man either, as he was created by God, because God judged man to be "very good." Yet, mankind expresses these very attributes. Again, would something God pronounced "very good" produce what we see? We can conclude that these traits must have come from the spirit of this world, from Satan, who is invisible, soundless, but is able to communicate with our spirits
What a load of word salad. A blessing is, to give approval of the couple and their lifestyle. 2+2=4 not 5. How can anything last just 15 seconds. Just opening the mouth and shut it takes longer than 15 seconds. Perhaps the Catholic Church needs to get back to basics. Perhaps all churches need to get back to basics. We are not called to be at one with the world but separate. Believers will not bring others to messiah through embracing the practices of the world but exposing them. Perhaps we should learn a lesson from the OT when they tried to incorporate their mode of religion into those in the world around them.
The same Pope, who a couple of years ago, said the koran was exactly the same as the bible, or vice versa. Wrong on both counts. How can we trust a man who is supposed to be a man of God of the Bible he is supposed to be preaching from. Then I am not of the RC denomination. I am of the evangelistic side. The only Holy Father I follow, is he who resides in heaven. The pope is just another priest to me.
I am Catholic and it is worth reading an article that came out a few days ago “The Catholic Church is not the Pope’s Church and Catholics are therefore not papists but Christians”: An Exclusive Interview with Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Pope Francis is a game player who is disobedient to the faith. The opposition to him in terms of ignoring his Peronist behaviour and Modernist belief is growing. His attitude is, well doctrine says... but wink wink I don't hold or believe that. He plays games where he will throw things out that sound true...but the langauge has conditions added that nullify the first part. Catholics know he was elected as the result of the scheming of the St Gallen mafia. A group of rather corrupt cardinals. M cCarrick, Hollerich, Murphy OConnor etc. Francis is so full of himself as to think his opinion and version of God isn't that of the Our Father, the words of which he changed. Prayers are ascending to heaven asking God to deliver us of the pope if God wills. It is because he doesn't grasp the following expressed by Benedict XVI . "The power that Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors is, in an absolute sense, a mandate to serve. The power of teaching in the Church involves a commitment to the service of obedience to the Faith. The pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the pope’s ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God’s Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism. … The pope knows that in his important decisions, he is bound to the great community of faith of all times, to the binding interpretations that have developed throughout the Church’s pilgrimage. Thus, his power is not being above the Word of God, but at the service of it. It is incumbent upon him to ensure that this Word continues to be present in its greatness and to resound in its purity, so that it is not torn to pieces by continuous changes in usage."
Please never reference “ reason and theology” again. The man has no bearing on the truth of Jesus Christ, other than to detract from our Lord. Perverse sex is a mortal sin. It is only removed by a priest consecrated in the Roman Catholic Church. Remission of sin is only activated when the sinner is repentant. Sex outside of legitimate Holy matrimony/ one man and one woman, is gravely sinful. A mortal sin. Oh, Christ only wanted one Church, and we only obey Him when we remain in that one Church. He wants us unified. There is no salvation outside the Holy Roman Catholic Church
Salvation hinges on the (the acceptance of God's) forgiveness of sins. What do you think salvation is? You're saying the acceptance only happens within the courts of the RCC? Jesus isn't bound by the inner courts of any christian community. Your concept of "unity" is the least of His concerns.
@@challengable You either obey the RCC or you don't is what you mean. To say the RCC is "christ" is a tautology. On a side note,the new testament is prosaic, not statutorial. Jesus taught in alleghory, midrash...etc.
@@davidsprouse151 I’m sorry, you haven’t the humility to submit to the King of kings. Get on your knees at your closest Latin Mass. Obedience to His Church is obedience to Him.
I read the document very carefully and found it heretical and wrong in trying in any way possible to justify blessing same sex couples. It has nothing to do with indiviudual blessing but for couples only in sinful relationships. It denies Gos judgement and punishment of those in that situation instead tries to justify that by saying God loves us all always....I would like to know how that works when God thows sinners into Hell to to tormented for their sin...does God still love those people ??.....no this is wrong to try by any means to justify such a thing and cannot be accepted using any sophistry or equivocation that the document uses.
The Bible is very clear in text and context (repeatedly) from beginning to end, that God will punish ALL unrepentant sinners, not just homosexuals... whether it be a single heterosexuals sexual sin (fornication) or married persons sin (adultery) or homosexual sin (sodomy). So, it's just how it is. Dont feel like the straight world is persecuting you. We (straights) have plenty of lustful problems of our own. There is no escaping it. We either let Good be God and live by his terms of propriety and morality.. or we flip him the bird. Regardless, we will all rise from the dead to give an account of the good and the bad we have done in this life, and those acts which we insisted were wholesome and acceptable will be seen for what they are.. If he calls something sin and perversion, that's what it is. You can call God a homophobe ( a term first coined by a religiously antagonistic Jew in the 60's) and go your own way. Or you can sincerely ask him to help you escape the lust of the eyes and the flesh. Humility is the best way to approach God I think... as opposed to... "Well my Jesus is not a homophobe I could never follow a god who won't let me live my way!" Your Jesus was at Sodom and Gomorrah. He and the Father are peas in a pod. We are living very dangerously when we practice all those sins, be they heterosexual or homosexual. We are eternal creatures. This life is just a blip on the radar of eternity. The judgement is coming for us all. "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (by a false sense of security): Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Corinthians 6:9
@@haweavivian48 Did you really write all that? LOL! The point is, whilst you're correct that unrepentant sinners won't inherit the kingdom the philology just doesn't support your view of sin. Methinks thou dost protest too much. you are wrong if you think the goal is to jump through a bunch of hoops and god will give you a treat at the end. Sin is a much more complex subject that's related to each of our own individual psychologies.
@@davidsprouse151 It has nothing to do with literary philology or psychology...and everything to do with the simple call of Jesus to "Repent and Believe the Gospel" as he plainly taught and exposited. It reads to me like you are purely intellectual in the way you think and reason.... the modern day gnostic or scientologist approach... out of which cults and false teaching sects are spawned. You wanna make it up as you go along, to suit your own lifestyle, belief and inclination. But to twist plainly stated Bible truth, in an effort to make it mean what is convenient for your lifestyle, is not only bad exegesis.... It is also woefully dishonest. When you want God and Jesus to be in "the image" of something other than what they plainly say about themselves, and about sin, righteousness and judgment, that is called Idolatry. But in the end, all the nonsense will be washed away on the day when we all must stand before the judgment seat of Christ. There are too many theological disasters out there sacrificing truth in order excuse in their own minds, their own sinful lifestyles. Eventually, their own conscience is seared and they only live to be critics of those who do believe. One wonders why they even darken the door of a church, their conception of Christ is so stunted by their unbelief.
As a catholic, I can only see confusion, confusion, confusion.
Read Fiducia Supplicans and then the statement issued by your Bishops Conference. You shall observe and discover complete alignment.
You shall also notice that these statements for the various Bishops Conferences for a nation or region are only issued once.
The confusion is generated by the Agents of Chaos and Confusion which pretend to be apologists or spokespeople for the Catholic Church.
The wheat and chaff shall be separated.
Pax Christi
@@sA-ny2jl Yes, the wheat and chaff will have to be separated. Some have said this may be the start of the falling away St Paul says must come first..I think they may be right. I carefully read FS and found it containes the spirit of the devil (not kidding) when he deceived Eve in the beginning with deceptive justifications and a few straight up lies hiden in there. I dont have anyhting against Pope Francis until reading FS and so now he has crossed a line into heresy and should be removed IMO...Catholics deserve better than that.
What you are seeing is the fulfillment of the prophecies of Our Lady of LaSallette, Fatima and Akita.
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Anti-christ" LaSalette
The Fatima Secret was Satan would infiltrate the Church. There would be apostasy.
"Apostasy would begin at the top." Akita
Look up the orgins of the St. Michael prayer and the vision of Pope Leo XIII on OCTOBER 13, 1884. Do you recognize the date? 33 years later The Miracle of the Sun. It parallels the woman clothed with the sun in the Book of the Apocalypse.
I'm a well catechised Catholic. This document, Fiducia Supplicans, is ambiguous and confusing. Written by a modernist and signed off by the pope, it weaponises ambiguity. Sin cannot be blessed.
God doesn't hate . He hate the sin. He doesn't hate Esau , he hate his sin. God pour rain down for the righteous and the sinner...
As a well catechised Catholic, FS is not ambiguous and confusing as you claim. It is a Declaration on the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings.
Ordained ministers understand it clearly. Many Bishops Conferences have released statements in support of FS.
It is actually the agents of chaos and confusion who repeatedly “proclaim” the false narrative.
The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church speaks as One; not through individuals.
Pax Christi
Good explanation, although I have to ask, what is the false narrative that "they" proclaim?@chrissobolewski5509
@@chrissobolewski5509 You seem not to be a well catechised Catholic. Magesterial teaching fails the test when over 1000 bishops and multiple bishop conferences refuse to implement the document. As the legal test states, "res ipse loquitur."
@@davidsprouse151 The false narrative is that the words of Fiducia Supplicans are being twisted; that statements issued by the various Bishops Conferences are not presented in full in selecting words/phrase in isolation and presenting a false narrative. Read the FULL statements for yourself.
Pax Christi
One of the main purposes of the papacy is not ambiguity but the establishment of clarity.
not with this guy
this is just ridiculous . manipulating the word . the reason why all of us are here is because God ordained marriage between a man and a woman. thats what gives rise to another child .
How can you bless what God calls sin? Surely he could rename it ‘blessings for people leaving irregular relationships’
They aren't sinful for being who they are! Good grief. The sin is eroticism--having sex outside of a commited, loving relationship aka marriage. God isn't homophobic but people are.
Read the documents playfully - an individual or couple that are struggling in life, who as the leper (all outcasts) begged kneeling before Jesus “If you will; make me clean”. Jesus said”I will; be clean”
Nowhere in FS is the sexual relationship being blessed, whether in regular or in irregular situations.
But then, whenever I sin against the Written Word/Decalogue/Commandments ( read the Catechism of the Catholic Church for expanded detail), should I be denied the Grace of God, through a blessing, to help my change of heart and mind?
Pax Christi
@MonMon-qi5gw lust is sinful. Eroticism is sinful. Love is not
@@sA-ny2jl you're playing word games.
There are over 650 million people who identify as exclusively gay in the world.
Marig is between one man and one woman and nothing else is exseptbul
Exactly. Anything else just isn't a marriage. But if you no longer believe in God or anything much as our ruling elites don't, then marriage can mean whatever you want it to mean.
We should all respect papa Francesco and pray for his good health.
It doesn't take 5000 words to say 'all is good; steady as you go, guys'. But then, it is January, the month of the two-faced...
I had to come up with my own protocol for this a couple years ago, and I decided that the official statement was that there is no such thing as a same-sex Christian marriage, but if people get married at the courthouse and are a same-sex couple, I will be reasonably nice to them, while maintaining the traditional view of Christian marriage. It was actually put to the test at the after-dinner of my maternal grandmother’s funeral. There were two male Pentecostal ministers at the funeral service at the funeral home, and a volunteer lady from my grandmother’s church served a buffet they sent to my cousin’s barn venue for the dinner. One of of my older male cousin’s daughter was at the dinner with her legal wife, and as I spoke to all the people at each table, I had to see them and be introduced. I knew the father from my childhood but not his daughter and her legal same-sex spouse. I reminded myself that I was going to be nice even though I don’t believe they have a Christian marriage, and I think all I said to the spouse was, “Hi, it’s nice to meet you.”
Catholic teaching is that a marriage is the indissoluble and union between one man and one woman, open to the possibility of procreation.
This teaching remains unchanged even with the latest FS Declaration.
As Catholics or Christians, we should treat all individuals with the dignity, however we need not condone their sin
Pax Christi
I’m not an expert on the subject, but I think they let the women get away with it, and the men are supposed to do it standing up, so as not to “lie” with one another.
I usually develop ideas based on what I have seen other people do. One reads the official rules, obverses peers and elders, and then tries to come up with something sensible. 🤷♂️
@@zdog1490 Grace and Peace,
I would encourage you to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, freely available on the Holy See website, the teaching on The Sacrament of Matrimony §1601-1666 and The Sixth Commandment §2331-2400.
Pax Christi
The Pope must speak publicly to explain himself
anyone with ears, and is willing to use them, has heard more than enough from Bergigolo.
He’ll answer to the Creator
@@mrbaker7443 Jesus is eager to forgive.
@@davidsprouse151The repentant, not the smugly defiant.
@@edwardbaker1331 jesus is the judge, not you!
Document is purposefully ambiguous
It's deliberate, to destroy the church.
Blessing means God's favour & protection I don't think it's in God's favour do you ? & what sort of protection ?
When the Roman Catholic Church condemns their own history for hunting down Luther, condemning Christians as heretics, burning 300 of my brothers and sisters in Christ at the stake (between 1553-1558) and embraces the Biblical doctrine of justification by faith alone, ceases to practice idolatry and the praying to Mary and dead saints and denounces the detestable doctrine of transubstantiation, and the headship of the pope I might be interested in a single word they have to say. Until then, I defy the pope and all his laws.
(Ephesians 4:31-32)
@@davidsprouse151 "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you."
What makes you refer to that passage?
Does Pope allow Gay Marriage?
Of course not, this is gay civil partnership.
Has The Pope Caused Confusion Over Same-Sex Blessings?
Does a bear poo in the woods?
The same-sex couple ‘blessing’ causes a number of questions.
What is a homosexual couple seeking by asking for a blessing?
What is the Church offering in response?
What is the Holy Spirit called for and what is exactly being blessed?
What is a spiritual purpose of such a ‘blessing’ and what sort of a particular help it intends to provide?
Love and acceptance can make miracles of soul transformation, and Pope Francis' vision on the same-sex unions seems to be about love and acceptance. Yet, the same-sex couple blessing would make sense if the Church dumps viewing the same-sex relationship per ser as a sin. Without that, such a 'blessing' appears conflicting and self-contradictory.
The entire issue of the homosexuality as such and the sin does not look straightforward at all.
For example, some people refer to Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them". Does this mean that about 4% of human population should be now "put to death"? Would it be a proclaimed Christian way of love and acceptance? Would it be compatible with the words of our Lord: "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone" (John 8:7)?
Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 6:9,10 was talking specifically about "men who have sex with men" with the intention to just satisfy their lust, but said nothing about homosexuality as such.
The Holy Scripture condemns sexual lust in all its appearances - ‘traditional’ and ‘pervert’, but says nothing at all specifically about homosexuality and same sex people, who want to live together in love and faith.
Nevertheless, this unlikely defends the incompatibility of the same-sex couple blessing with the current Church doctrines and policies.
Faithfully yours,
bishop Vincent Berg.
genesis 1:31
God Himself said that man was very good. This is an expression of pleasure; He was pleased with what He had accomplished. If we were very good when He created us, then that must include the nature He created us with.
Does God take pleasure in a nature that is enmity against Him (Romans 8:7)? Not at all, which indicates very strongly that, as He created us and as we are born, we do not have the nature that we later come to have that is enmity against Him. Hateful, human nature is something that develops because God put a spirit in us that other spirits, either God Himself or the spirit of this world, are able to communicate with (I Corinthians 2:10-12).
If the spirit that He is talking about in Genesis 1:31 was very good, then why has human history been a recording of violence, disease, anguish of spirit? Why is there so much bitterness, anger, prejudice, resentment, doubt, self-pity, vanity, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, and lust? Nowhere in God's Word are these called good or even acceptable.
Those traits do not come from God. He did not create us that way. God is love. He is kind, generous, good, merciful. We can honestly conclude that they do not come from man either, as he was created by God, because God judged man to be "very good." Yet, mankind expresses these very attributes.
Again, would something God pronounced "very good" produce what we see? We can conclude that these traits must have come from the spirit of this world, from Satan, who is invisible, soundless, but is able to communicate with our spirits
What a load of word salad. A blessing is, to give approval of the couple and their lifestyle. 2+2=4 not 5. How can anything last just 15 seconds. Just opening the mouth and shut it takes longer than 15 seconds. Perhaps the Catholic Church needs to get back to basics. Perhaps all churches need to get back to basics. We are not called to be at one with the world but separate. Believers will not bring others to messiah through embracing the practices of the world but exposing them. Perhaps we should learn a lesson from the OT when they tried to incorporate their mode of religion into those in the world around them.
The same Pope, who a couple of years ago, said the koran was exactly the same as the bible, or vice versa. Wrong on both counts. How can we trust a man who is supposed to be a man of God of the Bible he is supposed to be preaching from. Then I am not of the RC denomination. I am of the evangelistic side. The only Holy Father I follow, is he who resides in heaven. The pope is just another priest to me.
I am Catholic and it is worth reading an article that came out a few days ago “The Catholic Church is not the Pope’s Church and Catholics are therefore not papists but Christians”: An Exclusive Interview with Cardinal Gerhard Müller.
Pope Francis is a game player who is disobedient to the faith. The opposition to him in terms of ignoring his Peronist behaviour and Modernist belief is growing. His attitude is, well doctrine says... but wink wink I don't hold or believe that. He plays games where he will throw things out that sound true...but the langauge has conditions added that nullify the first part. Catholics know he was elected as the result of the scheming of the St Gallen mafia. A group of rather corrupt cardinals. M cCarrick, Hollerich, Murphy OConnor etc. Francis is so full of himself as to think his opinion and version of God isn't that of the Our Father, the words of which he changed. Prayers are ascending to heaven asking God to deliver us of the pope if God wills. It is because he doesn't grasp the following expressed by Benedict XVI . "The power that Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors is, in an absolute sense, a mandate to serve. The power of teaching in the Church involves a commitment to the service of obedience to the Faith. The pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the pope’s ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God’s Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism. … The pope knows that in his important decisions, he is bound to the great community of faith of all times, to the binding interpretations that have developed throughout the Church’s pilgrimage. Thus, his power is not being above the Word of God, but at the service of it. It is incumbent upon him to ensure that this Word continues to be present in its greatness and to resound in its purity, so that it is not torn to pieces by continuous changes in usage."
Please never reference “ reason and theology” again. The man has no bearing on the truth of Jesus Christ, other than to detract from our Lord. Perverse sex is a mortal sin. It is only removed by a priest consecrated in the Roman Catholic Church. Remission of sin is only activated when the sinner is repentant. Sex outside of legitimate Holy matrimony/ one man and one woman, is gravely sinful. A mortal sin.
Oh, Christ only wanted one Church, and we only obey Him when we remain in that one Church. He wants us unified. There is no salvation outside the Holy Roman Catholic Church
Salvation hinges on the (the acceptance of God's) forgiveness of sins. What do you think salvation is?
You're saying the acceptance only happens within the courts of the RCC? Jesus isn't bound by the inner courts of any christian community. Your concept of "unity" is the least of His concerns.
@@davidsprouse151 sorry, you either obey Christ or you don’t.
@@challengable You either obey the RCC or you don't is what you mean. To say the RCC is "christ" is a tautology.
On a side note,the new testament is prosaic, not statutorial. Jesus taught in alleghory, midrash...etc.
@@davidsprouse151 I’m sorry, you haven’t the humility to submit to the King of kings. Get on your knees at your closest Latin Mass. Obedience to His Church is obedience to Him.
@@challengable if you say so
I read the document very carefully and found it heretical and wrong in trying in any way possible to justify blessing same sex couples. It has nothing to do with indiviudual blessing but for couples only in sinful relationships. It denies Gos judgement and punishment of those in that situation instead tries to justify that by saying God loves us all always....I would like to know how that works when God thows sinners into Hell to to tormented for their sin...does God still love those people ??.....no this is wrong to try by any means to justify such a thing and cannot be accepted using any sophistry or equivocation that the document uses.
You're getting a lot of mileage from the homophobia. Does it increase viewership?
Who’s‘homophobic’?
Dan doesn’t hate gays, he wants them to know and follow Jesus
@@mrbaker7443 Jesus wasn't homophobic. Dan is. 90% of his videos are on this subject. lol
The Bible is very clear in text and context (repeatedly) from beginning to end, that God will punish ALL unrepentant sinners, not just homosexuals... whether it be a single heterosexuals sexual sin (fornication) or married persons sin (adultery) or homosexual sin (sodomy). So, it's just how it is. Dont feel like the straight world is persecuting you. We (straights) have plenty of lustful problems of our own. There is no escaping it. We either let Good be God and live by his terms of propriety and morality.. or we flip him the bird. Regardless, we will all rise from the dead to give an account of the good and the bad we have done in this life, and those acts which we insisted were wholesome and acceptable will be seen for what they are.. If he calls something sin and perversion, that's what it is. You can call God a homophobe ( a term first coined by a religiously antagonistic Jew in the 60's) and go your own way. Or you can sincerely ask him to help you escape the lust of the eyes and the flesh. Humility is the best way to approach God I think... as opposed to... "Well my Jesus is not a homophobe I could never follow a god who won't let me live my way!"
Your Jesus was at Sodom and Gomorrah. He and the Father are peas in a pod. We are living very dangerously when we practice all those sins, be they heterosexual or homosexual. We are eternal creatures. This life is just a blip on the radar of eternity. The judgement is coming for us all.
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (by a false sense of security): Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Corinthians 6:9
@@haweavivian48 Did you really write all that? LOL! The point is, whilst you're correct that unrepentant sinners won't inherit the kingdom the philology just doesn't support your view of sin. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
you are wrong if you think the goal is to jump through a bunch of hoops and god will give you a treat at the end. Sin is a much more complex subject that's related to each of our own individual psychologies.
@@davidsprouse151 It has nothing to do with literary philology or psychology...and everything to do with the simple call of Jesus to "Repent and Believe the Gospel" as he plainly taught and exposited.
It reads to me like you are purely intellectual in the way you think and reason.... the modern day gnostic or scientologist approach... out of which cults and false teaching sects are spawned. You wanna make it up as you go along, to suit your own lifestyle, belief and inclination. But to twist plainly stated Bible truth, in an effort to make it mean what is convenient for your lifestyle, is not only bad exegesis.... It is also woefully dishonest. When you want God and Jesus to be in "the image" of something other than what they plainly say about themselves, and about sin, righteousness and judgment, that is called Idolatry. But in the end, all the nonsense will be washed away on the day when we all must stand before the judgment seat of Christ. There are too many theological disasters out there sacrificing truth in order excuse in their own minds, their own sinful lifestyles. Eventually, their own conscience is seared and they only live to be critics of those who do believe. One wonders why they even darken the door of a church, their conception of Christ is so stunted by their unbelief.