The 5800X3D is still a beast with a B550 motherboard though, so I don't understand the X570 insistence there. To be "fair" with Z690 that the Intel CPU actually *needs*?
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I know this is a lot of work but hopefully, you can do an 1800x, 2700x, 3700x/3800x, 5800x and 5800x3D comparisons too see the difference on performance from all zen generations. Great work Steve!
I would love one of these honestly, can also maybe give people an idea as to what zen generation they should get for the performance they want out of their money
@@MrThejograt if you already own a b450/b550 mother and if you want great performance you want to aim for 5800/x. and you'll be happy and would be able to wait till ddr5 gets ddr4 price and get better latency. 3-5 years or even more. if you dont have enought money for a 5800x go for 5600(non x=lowkey the same). but it all depends on your graphic card. you dont want to pair a TOP end cpu with a 2060, or 6600. in that case a 5600 will do just fine.
Yes I agree. I'm still using my 2700x and have been wanting to upgrade but been holding off as I haven't ran into an issue where I needed the upgrade. The only thing for me is I'm on the x570 chipset and have all PCI-E Gen 4 M.2's and can't even use that extra bandwidth with my cpu. It would be nice to see how much fps I'm missing out on still using the 2700x.
The 5800x3D has been a great drop in upgrade for me since I’m already in the am4 platform and have no desire to deal with DDR5. No more cpu bottlenecks for me.
@@monke2361 I use itx and am5 will only support DDR5 and it’s too late to move to 12 gen intel. Who knows what will happen with next gen intel and memory support. It also looks like intel get a bit of a boost with ddr5.
@@theb4r138 intel next gen will likely still support ddr4 but after that nope. I say this because the 600 series boards have ddr4 options but 700 series might not. 13th gen ddr4 compatibility might only come with 600 series boards.
5800X3D looking like a good drop-in upgrade option from a 3700X. I suspect the extra cache will be very useful for Wine, Proton, and general virtualization shenanigans, and remain useful even when retired to home server duty. Thanks for the detailed review!
@@Dave-dh7rt my 1600AF runs 4.25ghz. I had stability issues at first but that was due to RAM. After some tweaking of timings it works great. Something to look into.
brutal performance. i'm looking forward to what they're gonna do with this cache setup on AM5. probably won't get one for my systems, the 3700x is still plenty fast enough for my use.
I'd still like to upgrade though I now have to get a pricey air cooler or 360mm AIO in order to get any of the three final bosses of AM4. So since mostly what I do atm is gaming after work, it makes little sense, but considering what I'm aiming to do by this time next year if not sooner, it makes no sense to cripple my performance possibilities elsewhere to just have the better gaming while having worse than 5800x performance on a lot of other areas to the point it's not a massive enough upgrade over 3700x anywhere but gaming. A 5950x, however, would be literally double the cores and still respectable gaming performance which is why I settled on that when prices fall and I have better use cases.
@@sirpraysalot6931 Gpus are overrated in my humble oppinion. You don't need a good gpu in 2022. Just turn the detail down down and play 1080p or 1440p stutter free high frame rates. Cpu and ram are the one that matter. Unless you are one those people, that still value pointless ultra graphics in this day and age. Me personally i play battlefield at 1440p/medium settings/RTX3080. Yes, it's about 2-3 milliseconds faster than 1080ti, does give a slight edge, but does it matter for people like you that have bought 3700x? It's the same frame rate. 200+ With cpus like 12gen or 5800x3d... And yes i understand there are unoptimized games, but first, do you really want to play those bad products, second, you still gotta have pretty old gpu for not to run them at all. I don't know man, i just see a lot this "Gpu bottleneck" shit. It cringes me. I might just pull out my old gtx980ti just to see is it still perfectly doable.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 my 5800x3d is running 80c all core in cinebenchr23 with a 280mm aio in a nr200p max case which is well with in limits .. but the 5800x3d is not a gaming/ workload cpu go the cheaper 5900x for the best of both !!
I look forward to the X3D coming back in stock. It's going to be one heck of a drop-in upgrade for my 2600X that should allow me to squeeze another 5 years or so out of this thing.
@@graze1177 trying to maximize the use of my current platform, and not really concerned with the latest and greatest. I wouldn't go all new anyway until graphics cards go on sale prices again
finally someone doing a comparison that actually makes sense. you could drop down to a 12700f and a b660 board to save another 100$, glad someone mentioned this cpu for a change
@Transistor Jump maybe, you never know how it goes. first gen i7 holds up fairly well still when overclocked. but if you always want the best there is no such thing.
The big value win for the 5800X3D is that I (and a lot of other people out there) already have an X370, X470, or even a B450 board that's compatible, bringing the CPU upgrade down to the same price as a motherboard and CPU from Intel for worse performance. Excellent comparison, and I think the best option for gamers is to wait for AM5 / whatever Intel's next platform is if they can. Otherwise, I'd get a second hand AM4 system with something like a 2600.
The 2600 is long dead, it doesn't offer sufficient performance not to be a bottleneck even with lower end cards like RTX 3060. The 3600 barely delivers that. Also, the second hand prices for older Ryzens aren't so good it'd be worth it to go for them instead of like the 5600.
@@jondasek The new parts are definitely better, no questions there. But a second hand 2600 can be had for half the price of a 5600,and would definitely tie you over until you could get something substantially better. I agree the bottlenecks are there, but it's still perfectly performant for 90% of games and gamers.
@@zactron1997 I just imagined that if someone is getting a new pc today when gpus are almost msrp, they wouldn't use something like 1070 anymore, but get something new. Also, some games are fairly cpu intensive and you should consider if you are ok with some stutter or not.
I bought a PC on ebay for £300 that had Ryzen 3600 CPU, 16Gb 3200Mhz RAM (that I have overclocked to 3800Mhz) an MSI B450 board and an 850W fully modular corsair PSU. I have put in my newly purchased 5800X3D and will sell the 3600 for about £100. The 5800X3D was £410. So that's £410 + £300 - £100 = £610 for top of the range gaming performance PC without GPU. Currently I have a GTX 1070 Ti in it that I bought for £220 but will be putting an RTX 3080 in it in the next few days. The RTX 3080 is currently in my Ryzen 5950X machine, which is used for both gaming and home lab with virtualisation. But I want to separate the roles. One PC for games, and one for my home lab.
I freaking love that Intel and AMD are so close in performance again. This is sooooo good news for next generation where both will no doubt do their absolutely best to please us
@@jaronmarles941 Well I do remember the initial benchmarks of Sandy Bridge through Skylake, where Memory speed made no real difference at all. Now I see these 'revisit' benchmarks where these old processors are tested with modern games and software, and often times they do better with 2133MT/s or 2400MT/s RAM. DDR5 might help Alder lake in the future. By the time that future comes, an 8-core CPU might be entry level for a Gaming rig, and 16-core CPUs are $350usd range. Yes, the competition is good news for us..... but I don't think these companies will do their best to please us.... only at their convenience.
@@Durkhead I have a 3800xt on my x370 crosshair 6 hero with 2x8gb 3200mhz cl16 Trident Z (non OC), but im looking for price/performance benchmarks. The 5800x3d is my goal anyway, i've seen a big uplift at 1440p in my fav games in TPU, not only avg FPS but 0.1% low too, with nearly no increase in temps or power draw. But for 300series chipset, you have not ReBAR, i guess...
This cpu is awesome for those who have a am4 setup. I have the 5800x so its kind of pointless to change but if you are on the 3000 series and older, this is such an awesome upgrade.
Yea totally pointless for you unless you got money to burn. Anyone who was on Ryzen 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen... .this is really good improvement. I went from a 1800x to this and HOLY SHIT was it worth every penny. On an x370 motherboard too.
I went with a 12700F with the MSI b660m-a you guys recommended and it’s absolutely lovely. It’s killing everything I throw at it and I’m even running it on the default 65W setting in the bios for the time being to keep it cool in the summer months. Thanks for these types of videos! Really helped me get the best value for my money. The 12700F was literally €75 cheaper than the 12700K in the Netherlands when I was buying. Even more if you factor in the more expensive motherboard.
@@YOGURT1 First thing to note would be that it's very humid here so it's a different type of heat than in a lot of other countries. Doesn't matter much for a pc but for people it's very different vs a dry climate. That said I'd say anywhere from 18-34 is expected in june, july and august. Most days are probably 20-24. There are definitely days where I don't turn on my computer because it adds too much heat. Air conditioning is basically only found in government buildings, stores and offices but not in the vast majority of homes.
2019: Intel is the better cpu for gaming but Ryzen is better for overall value 2022: AMD is the better cpu for gaming but Intel is better for overall value
2017: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw 2019: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw 2022: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw
@@BlindNeverAgain Gamers looking for the best performance typically don't care about temps and power draw. If heat and power draw were an issue, then the 12700 and it's K variants would still be competitive for gaming workloads as confirmed by testing from multiple sources.
Totally happy with the 12700K especially as I play at ultra wide 3440x1440p and then on productivity the 12700K just does such a great job. Saying that the 5800XD is a great upgrade which can be a significant cost saving on motherboard and ram so very nice drop in for the last hurrah on AM4...
0.1% and 1% lows are more important than average FPS for CPU performance in gaming, perhaps this should have been tallied for each resolution at the end. Also, the 5800X3D works great on cheap B550 boards considering overclocking is disabled. The 5800X3D makes a lot of sense for those on AM4 already who are 1.) planning on upgrading to next-gen GPU's (3080+ performance) 2.) gaming at 1080p / 1440p @ 144+ hz 3.) Planning on skipping AM5 / DDR5 until zen6 / Intel 15th gen (2025) 4.) wanting top-tier game performance while keeping power consumption / heat at a minimum
I'm not a graphics designer but would it be possible (visually appealing) to have text on the screen when talking about price to make it easier to comprehend the numbers being discussed
... If you like having to get a literally 2x beefier power supply and CPU cooler, then yes lol. 🤷 If you ONLY game, the R7 5800X3D is arguably STILL the sheer gaming value CHAMP, w/ only the i5-13600KF being similar in bang/$ (although overall more expensive bc newish board required & DDR5 needed for peak perf).
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 i7-12700K pulls about ≈180W under load. The R7 5800X3D pulls just ≈75W. Lol how about YOU do the fucking math dumbass. 🤣 That's MORE than DOUBLE the cooling capacity needed! More like 2.5x! And that likely means you'll need about a third more PSU capacity to comfortably drive it (say 850W vs 550-650W), let ALONE if you wanna overclock the mini nuclear reactors that are Alder & Raptor Lake i7/i9 CPU's!
Since so many want to upgrade to the 5800X3D keeping their old RAM and motherboard I would be interested to see how such a configuration would perform and if you can really fully recommend this upgrade on those kind of systems.
The 5800x3d isnt scaling well with memory. You can get the same performance with a 3200 mhz ram as with higher and faster memory. They answered this in a Q&A and the first 5800x3d review. I'd recommend checking it out for better information about it :)
nice, i got 12700k for 340€ at launch. i'm hunting for 5800x3d for 400€, for sim racing and MMO, plan is to give that 12700K to my sister, as she's an artist so she will love that productivity. Then we're good for next decade.
While I see the value proposition for this in the 12700 side, this really only accounts for a new system, you aren't taking into account how many already have bought into the AM4 platform already... So going from say a 2600 to the 5800x3d is significantly cheaper than replacing motherboard and CPU, especially if a high quality x470 is already in a system
The 12700kf is $350. Get a $160 mobo and you're very close to what you'll actually be paying for a new 5800x3D. I wouldn't call a $20-ish difference "significantly cheaper."
@@popcornchicken3300 everything depends on where you live, to me z690 motherboards are nowhere near your claimed 160 dollars, other than the really useless cheapest ones like the garbage z690 ud being around 200 all of them are over 300 dollars (tuf z690 or msi tomahawk while a rog z690-f is already 350) and the 12700kf is 400 dollars so it's not that easy as you say
@@kerotomas1 I mean B660 is enough if u dont wanna OC... U could even take a 100 bucks B660 and A 12700F and come out at just over 400... Sure the 3D will have a little more performance but its really not noticeable unless u pair it with a 3090ti and play 1080p
@@froznfire9531 The problem with this is ram performance. Intel locked the System Agent voltage on non-K cpus so your ram speeds are going to be terrible with stock vccsa voltage. Unfortunately while B660 can work if you don't want to OC the cpu itself this time you really need a K/KF series cpu for optimal ram performance.
Always good to get a bit of confirmation with purchases. I just received my 12700F B660 DDR4 parts. Makes me feel more confident to hear Steve speak quite highly of it, to stave of the endless 'Should I have waited for next gen' thoughts. 8400 couldn't hold out much longer
Good video. The larger l3 cache is going to hold its value for longer with future games that come out. I suspect it is going to be the new standard to have a dump truck load more L3 cache compared to previous generations from both AmD and Intel and X3D is in a good place to ride it out long-term compared to the I7. Plus with some games still GPU bound, we haven't seen X3Ds final form yet.
What I will be interested in seeing is how well the 5800x3d scales with the next generation of GPUs. Will we see the same performance margins we currently have at 1080P shift up to 1440P once the GPU bottleneck moves upward?
Steve, you somehow forgot where the real value in purchasing each of these CPUs is; the real value in buying a 12700f/k is for not necessarily being cheaper itself but also being the midrangish on a brand new socket, whereas 5800X3D is now on a dead platform; likewise the real value in a 5800X3D isn't on building a new system (that makes it pretty bad value considering you'd be sacrificing DDR5, PCIe5 etc. and an upgrade path to next gen to get EOL) but on upgrading an existing one. To me that's where the only real sensible comparison is on these things, because as someone on AM4 the 12700k is a no brainer if building new, and ironically placing it in the position Intel was in last year where having the upgrade path to Zen3 is exactly why I built on AM4 with a 3700x to begin with, except even now it's not as good in the sense I'd be able to upgrade to DDR5 and PCIe 5 later with a high end 13000k series after buying probably a 12600k this gen. Meanwhile a big reason there's the interest in 5800X3D is because so many people are on AM4 at this point that we're all basically looking at one of three classes of the final boss of AM4: the tanky 5950x for best multicore, the jack-of-all 5900x for gaming without losing some prosumer skills, and the wizard class 5800X3D powergamer.
I got a 12700kf when it came out. Not to jump over to DDR5, but rather to avoid having to do so. I upgraded so I can get another round of usage from my existing RAM. If you have a good DDR4 kit, going DDR5 isn't really helping you, on the contrary, it might actually be worse because slower latencies. Plus DDR5 is expensive. If I was to build a new system _now,_ I'd frankly probably go with 5800X3D because it's kind of a unicorn for gaming. I'd rather stay with DDR4 for now and I don't see much use for PCIe5 yet so old platform is a pretty moot point. Performance is all that matters in the end, and I buy whatever performs best in a price range I'm comfortable paying.
@@SaltyMaud Fair point. I didn't even consider the reusing DDR4 RAM part. Of course my point though vis a vis DDR5/PCIe 5 wasn't to start using all that stuff now, so much as having ability to do so (interoperability of DDR4/5 also being a great feature). So it was more the same idea that I could get 3700x and get final boss years later, like I'd get higher end DDR5 and 13k many years down the line.
@Transistor Jump i7 and i5 are midrange to me. My 3700x was midrange, and so was my 5700XT. 9 is high end, enthusiast class hardware, as is 800. i3 is budget.
@Transistor Jump Then buy the cheaper prebuilt or CPU if you think that..? And in what ways beside, do you mean just for gaming, or do you intend to use your 9 sku tier chip on something like its intended use rather than just strictly gaming? ...or lol do you have a $5000 Alienware PC per chance?
It's wild that the 5800x3D isnow CHEAPER than the 12700KF! I only have a 2700x but the 5x3d is looking very tempting...can't decide if that or a PS5 Digita
Fantastic test but theres one important thing left out: MMORPG's like FF14 and WOW with heavy world populations hammer the CPU and Im hearing that the performance gains in these MMOs is massive for the 5800X3D due to the huge V-cache. This an important use case for some people who are MMO fanatics and only care about those games and I would like to see 1-2 major MMO games benchmarked in future videos. They are important and importance in those games will be the only thing some of your viewers care about.
There is a video out there that benchmarks wow and as expected the boost is very noticeable.. I wish the video was a bit more detailed, but the results are there, and of course we can expect similarly in FF as well
@@knfbnny The MMO's are badly optimized and heavy on single threads but even with that the performance isnt titanic in normal settings with few players loaded in your world. Its when you go to massively populated area and framerate tanks that you start to see how amazing this CPU is. MMO fanatics like Asmongold would pay thousands of dollars for a laptop+desktop with this CPU in it and it shows how braindead AMD's marketing department is that they dont use MMORPG performance as a vehicle to promote these chips.
@@HoldinContempt in the early 2000s I managed to pick-up the first AMD dual core consumer CPU, an opteron, touted as a 'workstation' CPU for socket 939 Back then it was common to have a single core athlon or pentium of 3.0ghz or so, but from memory this opteron was like a dual core 1.8 so on paper it didn't sound good but the difference was MASSIVE. The fact you could unpack a rar file and the computer was still usable for other tasks made all the difference. It was a drop in upgrade, like the 5800x3d will be for me and it changed my life AMD marketed this consumer opteron like you could only be an architect or something to use it, but this was something totally else. I think it took another 1-2yrs before dual core became common place. The 5800x3d story "feels" like another repeat of history for me. Back then Intel's response was "nah, you don't want that you want clockspeed here is a 3.4ghz CPU".. History just finds a way of repeating itself
@hardware Unboxed, considering the 5800x3d doesn't overclock why are you not confident on a b550 for it? Also I have seen that the 5800x3d has bad memory scaling so you wouldn't need a good set of memory for it offsetting the cost a bit more. Thank you for all your work, greatly appreciated! 👍
It isnt that the x3d has bad memory scaling, just that the extra cache is providing some of the boost you normally need the fast ram to get. It only makes sense that you wouldn't get significantly more with faster memory.
There's something fishy going on with the 5800x3d stock in Europe. Mindfactory claims they've sold over 600 but they've jacked up the prices - 530€. And they do that when they have very limited stock. Oh yeah forgot to add pc shops in my country have yet to receive a single chip.
@@Zordonzig Definitely oof. These are local Aussie prices too, so everywhere from PC Case Gear to Scorptec and everywhere in-between. Atleast I can find stock still, most others are gone.
Really useful thank you. Thanks to your early review I had the confidence to buy the 5800x3d on launch day. Had no issues getting one and it was in my machine (existing b550 board) the next day :) paired with a 3090FE. Hasn’t effected my ave fps in Warzone (3440x1440) but the 1% lows are better, subjectively it feels better but who knows. Should have time to try some other games this weekend. Only upgraded because I was building another machine, so thought I could put my old cpu in there. I fully intend to buy a 4080ti so hoping the 5800x3d can cope so I can skip Zen 4 and the first wave of DDR5.
@@jaronmarles941 it made sense in my head anyway 😂. Seems to be plenty of other people buying them though as any stock that comes in seems to go straight away. Hopefully it will give AMD the confidence to bring more 3D cache chips out for the next generation. I’ve had no issues with mine and games like control are definitely benefiting. Still haven’t tried cyberpunk yet, but again at my resolution I’m only hoping for a lift in the 1% lows.
32GB of Patriot Viper Steel that can run at 3733Mhz CL14-14-14-14-28 cost me £240. Aorus Elite X570 cost me £189 and I paid £410 for my Ryzen 7 5800X 3D. That's around £840 for that setup that can hang with anything...That's value.
You could just pair it with cheap RAM, 3200 CL16 @ XMP and get basically the same performance thanks to the humongous amount of L3 cache. Saving money and more importantly time
Can you test the Matrix city demo. I have never seen a game push my i7-11700KF like this. Almost 150 watts ingame. UE5 is CPU bound so its probably a good test for future proofing CPUs.
There's also the cooler you'll need. The i7 12700KF will probably require a 240mil AIO, even for stock settings, where the 5800X3D can be cooled with a Hyper 212 or similar class aircooler. Here in the Netherlands, a 12700KF with an MSI Pro Z690-P can be had for ~600€, and a 5800X3D with an MSI B550-A Pro can be had for ~610€. Those boards have very similar feature sets despite the cheaper chipset on the AMD side. Considering these costs and the cost of the cooler, the 5800X3D set will actually be cheaper here. But this will differ per country, of course.
We've seen bundles here in the US with the 12700k and ASRock z690 steel legend going for $435 while the 5800x3d was $450 by itself. We've got the thermalright peerless assassin for around $40 that I'd probably pair with both. 5800x3d can still get spicy from the way it handles voltages despite being lower power consumption.
@@reinierovertoom7123 It draws lower power idle. It draws more power in stress test yes, by 40-50 watts, but 12700 should be compared against 5900X in stress test as it beats it in productivity. 5800x3D is like 3/5 or even 2/4 performance of 12700 in productivity. In games it only draws like 15-25 more W, cause what is most utilized in games is the GPU.
The 5800X3D runs fairly hot, I certainly wouldn't put a Hyper 212 on it. It doesn't draw as much power, but all the heat is concentrated in that one tiny die.
I'm still annoyed that AMD waited so long to release the 5700X! I was running a 5700XT, X570, R5 3600 setup and it would have satisfied my OCD to add another 57 to the mix, but I went for a 5800X last year.
@@andersjjensen The way some folks comment on here, they act as if the 3600 is completely useless! It was doing pretty well but I decided to spoil myself.
Great stuff, can we get a 5800x3D vs 5900x? Many of us on AM4 are looking to understand what would be the ultimate chip to upgrade into and stick with for the next few years or more (whenever they start to feel obsolete or bothersome for us) on AM4 It'll ultimately be cheaper to just spent the high cost now on a ultimate platform ending chip than to buy a whole new platform just 2 years from now for those of us still on ryzen 2000 or 3000 I'm leaning towards 5900x just due to frame pacing with a better frame median (even if avg is the same), and we are seeing multi core utilization pick up much much more than with many games allowing themselves to utilize even past 6 cores with new AAA games. Unfortunately those said games like Bf2042 have failed but it's still an indication of where hardware requirements are headed. Id suspect 8c16 CPUs would actually start scaling even in avg fps if not at least 1% lows when 2023 hits
I can only imagine what would happen if they made x3D versions of other CPUs if possible. To think this is just a gaming variant of the 5800x, for only about $100 extra of the original Upgradinh to AM5 is a bit early and also expensive for me, so to be able to get such an amazing performance increase for basically the same price and socket as my old cpu is pretty amazing I can only imagine what a 5950x3D or 7900x3D would be like if they even get to making those
Strange how apparently the 5800X3D is out of stock in places like the US and Australia, while here in Norway it never sold out anywhere and is still in stock at pretty much all the e-tailers.
@@tmkongen For sure, no point upgrading if you already have a 5000 series, especially for high res gaming. Nothing to be gained there. It's good for people with an older gen Ryzen chip who are looking to get into super high FPS 1080p gaming.
@@isakh8565 I upgraded from 5800X -> 5800X3D since I don't plan on upgrading my mobo or RAM for as long as possible. I think the 5800X3D should allow me to skip an extra 1-2 CPU generations assuming L3 cache becomes more important for games as time progresses. If not, I suppose I'm only out $180.
Frankly I'd rather have the 12700k. It's less than 10% slower even at 1080p, marginally at higher resolutions, and the 12700k trounces it at most other tasks and is quite a bit cheaper. If I already had an AM4 board, I would probably go with a better value CPU from the 5600 to the 5900x rather than this 3D cpu also. It's just a very poor performer at most tasks for $450. I see the argument from people who don't care about stuff other than gaming looking for AM4s top performer though, it's the best CPU for that.
True, most cases it's just better value to build brand new on LGA 1700 than "upgrade" to 5800x3d. IMO, $450 is a lot of money to throw on a dead platform.
@@ensiel4738 Eh, for $450 I now have one of the fastest CPUs for gaming on a motherboard/ram combination I’ve been using for almost 5 years. Kind of hard to explain the absolute insane value this is for gamers coming from Ryzen a 1600/2600. If I were building from scratch the Intel CPUs would make a lot of sense, but the value of a drop in top tier CPU for motherboards 4-5 years old is nuts.
@@jasonwyllie1723 It's fine as an AM4 upgrade if you already have a board that works well with it and are looking to max performance on the socket. It still feels like only a half-upgrade to me over zen 3 though, and in a lot of areas no improvement even. I will be looking forward to zen 4 hopefully with both faster cores and more cache combined. I expect it will be the biggest uplift since the original Zen.
@@ssssaa2 No doubt. I wouldn't build a system just for the 5800x3d, but it's going to sell a ton for people still running the Ryzen 1/2's. With this I should be set CPU wise for the next 3-4 years making this motherboard ram/combo good for 6+ years easily, almost unheard of.
@@chriswright8074 the only issue is intel is very close on launching the 13th gen Raptor Lake cpus, which will once again placing 5800X3D in an insecure position again, the 12th gen is already an bona-fide lineup.
I was going to upgrade to a 5800X3D but i ended up buying the 5700X for $150 less. Its also easier to cool at 64W vs 105W...I know the 5800X3D will end up having crazy resale value similar to what the i7 7700k did but I'm not to worried about that.
In terms of cooling, i've had no problems cooling the 5800x3d with a £30 DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GT BK It peaks at 80 degrees while stressing the CPU in an fps game like BF or COD
The 5800X3D is easy to undervolt though. You can get it back down to 65W with a bit of tinkering. You already admit several flaws in your reasoning but you rationalize it anyway. Who are you posing this comment for. Us, or yourself? Not saying you should've bought either/or. But these comments always perplex me how they reek of choice-supportive bias.
@@Sackboy612 You can improve that situation. For reference Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm 32 idle 62 - 67 gaming. Also gaming load efficiency is crazy 40-55 watts.
The review I've been waiting for! Thanks for all your efforts recently. I think I'm going to put some $ aside and wait to see what is around the corner. If the 5800X3D is anything to go by, improvements in hardware may be astonishing. Many games are very poorly optimised too, could you put single-core dependent games like DCS and Star Citizen in your tests? These are mainly CPU bound?
In 5-7 years time, probably they will. By then we could be on better things already. As by 2024 probably it will be default go to technology starting with Zen 5 or Zen5+, the Zen 4 v cache refresh is already in plans. Raptor Lake increasing cache already by 54% in Q3/Q4, to Ryzen 5900X level on single monolithic die. We will probably start seeing default 32mb+ L3 cache for CCD CPU from next year on, probably on all mid range/mainstream stuff even from Intel and high end 64mb.
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5900X discounts will deliver good gaming perf and strong productivity. You can also slap it into a cheaper MB and it will run just fine. So AMD Ryzen has all the needs covered IMO.
I7 12700KF paired with the MSI RX6700XT in the MSI PRO Z690-A mobo has been a great upgrade from the I7 4770s/MSI Twin Frozer R9 290 Went with the 12700KF after reading about the special attention Microsoft was giving Intel with the thread director on Windows 11. It runs cool with the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.C. In the 20s idle and max gaming mid 50s in games that utilize the cores. A lot of games it's basically running in the 30s. Hopefully can get as long out of it as I have the 4770 and R9 290 which are now my kids. FX8150 still going strong and performing good at the games played on it and the GTX 750.
Unless you're gonna pair a RTX3090Ti with a 1080p monitor, or else just grab whichever is cheaper or simply upgrade if you own an AM4 board already Not much notable difference anyway, even if there is, it's really not worth the hassle
if you are a sim racer, sim flight or mmo gamer, that 5800x3d smokes anything even at 4k. Asetto Corsa, iRacing, WarThunder, Ace Combat, MS Flight Sim consistentnyl faster from 1080p to 4K by simlar amount compared to 12700kf
Yeah i know it's faster, but at what cost? I somehow agree with P up there, an overkill CPU gives you minimal return in performance Anything above your monitor's refresh rate is just pure waste of computational power and electricity as well And I really doubt if you want 240fps flight simulator on 1080p Or else if the game itself is more likely GPU-bound, especially on higher resolutions, your investment on CPU is still not worth given that you can buy 5700X which is also 8C16T of the same generation of CPU
@@javis1213 Relative performance is still noticably higher at 4k just like at 1080p with 5800x3d for simrsacing. Especially the 1% lows which makes the gameplay smooth. The high fps matter and 1% lows matter, even if you are above your screen refresh rate. Don't belive me go watch LTT Shroud reaction test.
@@KryssN1 Don't get me wrong there, I acknowledged the difference in performance between 5800x3d and the rest. Maybe you've got unlimited funds to max out everything, then of course 5800x3d smokes anything. But most of the people out there source PC parts with a budget, whether it's tight or not, they maximize what they can get with that given amount of money. I believe the extra $100 on 5800x3d over 5700x would be better spent on stuff like... Extra ram, ssd, or even a higher tier gpu, or even several pc games, rather than a "faster cpu", not even faster IPC, not to mention 5800x3d is not overclockable unlike the rest. It's a concept of worth doing something or not.
nothing. Unless you buy a board with absolute trash VRMs, which is rare, CPU performance on B550 and X570 is generally the same. The two chipsets only differ in how much I/O you get (i.e. fewer pcie4 slots, somewhat less USB/SATA etc).
I still can't grasp these generational improvements in performance, I remember when intel literally used to have 1-2 % performance gains for like 5 years and AMD was a disaster with the FX cpus and on the brink of bankruptcy, it literally made you think better performance wouldn't be possible.
Looking at the supply chain, and the roadmap for further lockdowns, I think it’s too soon for AM5, sure AM4 has had a full cycle, but conditions just aren’t there for the output of new systems. Especially as component demands for defense purposes ramp up. All things considered, I think it makes sense to keep rolling out upgrades for AM4. With the 5800x3d sold out, it bodes well for a 5950X3D. And thats far better than a 6000 series which doesn’t sell because the customer can’t find ddr5 or the motherboard is stuck waiting for assembly.
The 5950X3D will not be built. The 5800X3D is the only one and its price is starting to rise. In Poland, this CPU is 30% more expensive than the 5800X and about 35% compared to the i7-12700F
I got a 5800x3d and i gotta say I'm quite satisfied with my purchase and I don't have to change any of my parts...I'm had the same parts for 3-4 years now ( a few upgrades like graphic cards), but pretty much the same parts.
Hard to value these CPUs for gaming. How much over performance do we really need @1080p??? And then @1440p and higher it's a wash, and there's no piratical differences, since everything starts to get GPU limited... It's a great time to go cheap on a CPU.
@Transistor Jump Enlighten me on your POV perhaps. Understand I'm talking about relative to its contemporaries. This channel has already shown us how much more cache has an effect than raw core count. Still quads have a rough time in games today as far as frame consistency. Games got to a point of genuinely benefitting from more than 8 threads by the end of the last console generation. The 12700K has an extra 4 threads but we are a long way off from a point where the majority of what'll be console ports needing more than 16 threads. The only other thing to invalidate a CPU would be some new instruction set, which would effect both these CPUs equally. Over the useful life of both these CPUs one could go through many generations of GPUs and eventually one will be far worse than the other at providing a consistent experience. Averages can be skewed by having very high Max fps at moments that are completely inconsequential. Worse lows would eventually wreck the experience. In the tested configuration, DDR 4 is the worst version of the 12700K. So other your options are to pay way more upfront on Z690 with DDR 5, or pay twice to eventually get the most out of it. There aren't many other variables where it's going to end up better than the 5800X3D for gaming alone. Especially for the kind of person still on something like a 4790K or older. Plenty of those sold as part of an EOL platform. Well, after not being the newest CPU available, since it was always the last option for Z97.
My conclusion a month ago when I ordered and built my parts (so before this video). Was to get the i7 12700 with b660 ddr4 board. This vs the K variant is almost no difference in gaming maybe 0.5% difference in games. and about 1-2% different to the i9 12900k. But the added cost of getting an external cooler, the K series premium price and the Z series unlocked board equates to another £250 of expenses for that amount of difference just for the i7 alone, not even thinking of the i9 here. And I was right, when I push my CPU with p95 it can pull 200w and sit around 170-180w at longer durations. Yeah it is maybe 100mhz lower than the i7 12700k, but you aren't overclocking that chip anyway when you need to cool ~200w and there's not much headroom. I am running an old CM ML 120L v1 with a Noctua cooling the AIO and hitting 100c on a max heat run, and 80c on a "max power consumption" test.
The fact is you are correct, a stock 5800x3d on cheap mobo running AMD stock cooler will be beating liquid cooled 5.2ghz 12700k 5.2ghz all day long in most games.
@@railshot888 I mean it depends on the game but yeah EDIT: also another thing I saw in comments is they test these games in a secluded environment. The 12700 has 4 E cores which can handle the background spotify, discord, chrome tabs, second monitor(yes this puts demand on ur CPU) and any other background apps, which may edge the performance ahead for intel's 12th gen.
@@railshot888 Stock cooler for a 5800x3D? Hell nah, it will overheat in an instant... You need pretty identical cooling for both but both can be optimized to be more efficient without much performance sacrifice
@@railshot888 Are you reading what I said, no-one knows the real world performance because these systems haven't been tested in the scenario I mentioned for example...
5800x3d is available in the Netherlands, at MSRP, in 4 different shop with next day delivery, and has been since launch. And AMD motherboard prices in the US seem to be rather bad. There's multiple decent b550 boards at around 70 euro available (including 21% VAT). And on AMD's side the board doesn't effect performance in any significant way anyway.
5800x3d is the perfect example that we don't need new processors every year, we could just save the resources & work on making things more affordable & help the poor & save the environment. Everybody wins. Just not the guys who are constantly running after money money money.🏃🏃
What AMD is doing is great for the environment. People already on AM4 don't need to buy a new motherboard or get new RAM, and the 5800X3D uses half as much power as the 12900K while getting the same performance.
the ultimate value for 5800X3D is to drop it into a and old (even x370) board that you may still be using to run a 1st gen ryzen on. at least crosshair VI just dropped one that supports 5700x and 5800X3D
@@snoedy2125 bruh im joking i play cs @ 500+ fps and my friends comment "why do you need more than your 144 refresh rate" but tbh the frametime difference of 550 vs 650 is not that much (1/550=0.0018, 1/650 = 0.0015)
@@Vennux I would guess pros can tell a difference between 240 and 390... Especially if they adapt to it. But other things such as DyAc+ are much more valuable at those FPS than some hz more
Yeah, it is rather awesome for the price. Plus i don't really need much overclocking for these hot chips. 5800x3D here goes for 600 euros, quite insane, but it is the fastest. 12700kf 410 euros, 12700f is 340-350 euros
Buying 5800x3d is not great purchase by its on , but if you have motherboard , ram and everything else and you need just to update bios and put new cpu in ,its much more logical then investing in new platform. So in the end 5800x3d is best purchase if you want best gaming performance just by upgrade and if you dont 5700x or 5800x is great option as well.
Go with the 12700 if you’re building a new system the resale value will be better since it’s better at production, and gaming wise you won’t notice the difference. You will be able to upgrade to 13th Gen, Ryzen you will be stuck.
I saw the 5800X3D for $450 yesterday at Amazon, so checking around makes a difference and the availability is going to fluctuate since it's still new, and a lot of people wanted it.
5800X and 12700KF are essentially equal in terms of price to performance. 5800X is a bit weaker, but also a bit cheaper. Comparing either of them to the X3D doesn't make sense. The X3D is a halo product. As is the 12900K/12900KS. Halo products will *always* have a worse price to performance. When compared to what the X3D is actually competing against, it's better, by a lot. When comparing the 5800X and 12700K, it honestly just depends on your mobo. I personally have a B450 currently, so if I ever upgrade, it will be to a Zen 3 chip. If you have the 12th gen Intel socket, obviously upgrade to Intel. If you're buying a new computer, wait. New cpus are just around the corner.
unless you're buying 2nd hand cheaper, get a 5700x as for some reason 5800x is still selling in stores and a bit more expensive. they have literally same performance
I went with the 5800x3D and I plan to use it for 5 years. I wanted to say the CPU is running little hot and doing the offset -0.1V makes a lot of difference in temperature and the performance is only hit when you are using all cores as the limit is 4.35Ghz. Otherwise, the cores are reaching 4.5GHz.
Intel shills will still say AMD is worthless and a bad platform. (Knew people like this) *Userbenchmark, On a side note, do you guys mind adding the AUD pricing in the video as a little note for those who are Aussie? Would be super helpful instead of us having to look it up.
@@shiraz1736 didn't say not to. I've been on 12th gen since launch tho. I basically only play warzone and was on a 5800x. Way more of an upgrade than they depict here. Solid 25% gain to 1% lows. Nobody should buy now if they don't need to tho. Wait for both generations to launch from AMD and Intel then choose. Ddr5 might come down by then to. It's actually not terribly priced in Canada but still could be better.
I absolutely love this guy. No fluff. No bullshit. Methodical. Thorough. And upfront opinions with explanations.
Us Aussies tend to be forward and blunt. It's just how it is.
The 5800X3D is still a beast with a B550 motherboard though, so I don't understand the X570 insistence there. To be "fair" with Z690 that the Intel CPU actually *needs*?
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@@TheKazragore that's what we like
I dont love him, but I greatly benefit from his work.
I know this is a lot of work but hopefully, you can do an 1800x, 2700x, 3700x/3800x, 5800x and 5800x3D comparisons too see the difference on performance from all zen generations. Great work Steve!
I would love one of these honestly, can also maybe give people an idea as to what zen generation they should get for the performance they want out of their money
Don't we already have several comparison between older Zen CPUs gen? from several reputable tech reviewers, including HU
@@MrThejograt if you already own a b450/b550 mother and if you want great performance you want to aim for 5800/x. and you'll be happy and would be able to wait till ddr5 gets ddr4 price and get better latency. 3-5 years or even more.
if you dont have enought money for a 5800x go for 5600(non x=lowkey the same).
but it all depends on your graphic card. you dont want to pair a TOP end cpu with a 2060, or 6600. in that case a 5600 will do just fine.
Yes I agree. I'm still using my 2700x and have been wanting to upgrade but been holding off as I haven't ran into an issue where I needed the upgrade. The only thing for me is I'm on the x570 chipset and have all PCI-E Gen 4 M.2's and can't even use that extra bandwidth with my cpu. It would be nice to see how much fps I'm missing out on still using the 2700x.
I'd like to see the 5900x in there as well
The 5800x3D has been a great drop in upgrade for me since I’m already in the am4 platform and have no desire to deal with DDR5. No more cpu bottlenecks for me.
then just use ddr4?
@@monke2361 am5 requires ddr5, that's why he mentioned it.
@@monke2361 I use itx and am5 will only support DDR5 and it’s too late to move to 12 gen intel. Who knows what will happen with next gen intel and memory support. It also looks like intel get a bit of a boost with ddr5.
@@theb4r138 intel next gen will likely still support ddr4 but after that nope. I say this because the 600 series boards have ddr4 options but 700 series might not. 13th gen ddr4 compatibility might only come with 600 series boards.
What are you cooling it with? I heard they get rather hot.
The 5800x3d is good for a last breath of an existing am4 build if you are in the 1rst, second or third gen (8core or less)
5800x3d is simply just much superior gaming chip than 12700k
no we need a 5950X3D man!
@@jake9854 I have the 5950x and happy with it.
@@railshot888 for an existing am4 on 1000 2000 or 3000 CPU yes.
Awesome last hurrah for am4. It went out with an amazing bang.
5800X3D looking like a good drop-in upgrade option from a 3700X. I suspect the extra cache will be very useful for Wine, Proton, and general virtualization shenanigans, and remain useful even when retired to home server duty. Thanks for the detailed review!
Done just this, noticeably smoother even in desktop use.
@@redrock425 i am still running my ryzen 2600 OC to 4.0GHz, i wish it ran at 4.2-4.3GHz lol
@@Dave-dh7rt my 1600AF runs 4.25ghz. I had stability issues at first but that was due to RAM. After some tweaking of timings it works great. Something to look into.
the 5700x is 380 in canada i think is a better option or the 5900x is 500$
Oh hi fellow Linux gamer.
brutal performance. i'm looking forward to what they're gonna do with this cache setup on AM5. probably won't get one for my systems, the 3700x is still plenty fast enough for my use.
I'd still like to upgrade though I now have to get a pricey air cooler or 360mm AIO in order to get any of the three final bosses of AM4. So since mostly what I do atm is gaming after work, it makes little sense, but considering what I'm aiming to do by this time next year if not sooner, it makes no sense to cripple my performance possibilities elsewhere to just have the better gaming while having worse than 5800x performance on a lot of other areas to the point it's not a massive enough upgrade over 3700x anywhere but gaming. A 5950x, however, would be literally double the cores and still respectable gaming performance which is why I settled on that when prices fall and I have better use cases.
I have a msi x570 gaming mobo and 360 mm aio but my CPU is 3700x. I can't upgrade because i have to buy a gpu. If only gpu prices weren't f up :')
@@DavidAlfredoGuisado Yeah I've been thinking about buying 3950x/5900x/5950x one of these and not upgrade cpu mobo for next 4 year or so.
@@sirpraysalot6931 Gpus are overrated in my humble oppinion. You don't need a good gpu in 2022. Just turn the detail down down and play 1080p or 1440p stutter free high frame rates. Cpu and ram are the one that matter. Unless you are one those people, that still value pointless ultra graphics in this day and age. Me personally i play battlefield at 1440p/medium settings/RTX3080. Yes, it's about 2-3 milliseconds faster than 1080ti, does give a slight edge, but does it matter for people like you that have bought 3700x? It's the same frame rate. 200+ With cpus like 12gen or 5800x3d... And yes i understand there are unoptimized games, but first, do you really want to play those bad products, second, you still gotta have pretty old gpu for not to run them at all. I don't know man, i just see a lot this "Gpu bottleneck" shit. It cringes me. I might just pull out my old gtx980ti just to see is it still perfectly doable.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 my 5800x3d is running 80c all core in cinebenchr23 with a 280mm aio in a nr200p max case which is well with in limits .. but the 5800x3d is not a gaming/ workload cpu go the cheaper 5900x for the best of both !!
You really helped my purchase decision. Great job as always!
You're welcome and thank you for the support. I didn't even know 'Super Thanks' was a thing, but thank you :)
I look forward to the X3D coming back in stock. It's going to be one heck of a drop-in upgrade for my 2600X that should allow me to squeeze another 5 years or so out of this thing.
Bro, I went from 1800x to 5800X3D and it's absolutely amazing. Enjoy it man, don't look back. Your RAM will also clock higher.
Ryzen 7000 is gonna come out this year. Just heads up in case you want the newest cpu amd has to offer
@@graze1177 trying to maximize the use of my current platform, and not really concerned with the latest and greatest. I wouldn't go all new anyway until graphics cards go on sale prices again
@@graze1177 Would need to buy new motherboard and ram. Not interested.
I think that you dont need a 5800x3d if you have an 2600...7000 versión es ver close
finally someone doing a comparison that actually makes sense. you could drop down to a 12700f and a b660 board to save another 100$, glad someone mentioned this cpu for a change
I'm targetting this.
@@slayer100141 i7 12700 is future proof tho, because of its 8 cores.
@@slayer100141 hard to pass up 2 more cores for 60$
@Transistor Jump there "IS" and the i5 7600k and 8600K is the best example. Both of them aged horribly. You need some education bruh...
@Transistor Jump maybe, you never know how it goes. first gen i7 holds up fairly well still when overclocked. but if you always want the best there is no such thing.
The big value win for the 5800X3D is that I (and a lot of other people out there) already have an X370, X470, or even a B450 board that's compatible, bringing the CPU upgrade down to the same price as a motherboard and CPU from Intel for worse performance.
Excellent comparison, and I think the best option for gamers is to wait for AM5 / whatever Intel's next platform is if they can. Otherwise, I'd get a second hand AM4 system with something like a 2600.
The 2600 is long dead, it doesn't offer sufficient performance not to be a bottleneck even with lower end cards like RTX 3060. The 3600 barely delivers that. Also, the second hand prices for older Ryzens aren't so good it'd be worth it to go for them instead of like the 5600.
@@jondasek The new parts are definitely better, no questions there. But a second hand 2600 can be had for half the price of a 5600,and would definitely tie you over until you could get something substantially better. I agree the bottlenecks are there, but it's still perfectly performant for 90% of games and gamers.
@@zactron1997 I just imagined that if someone is getting a new pc today when gpus are almost msrp, they wouldn't use something like 1070 anymore, but get something new. Also, some games are fairly cpu intensive and you should consider if you are ok with some stutter or not.
the same can be used for intel users since Raptor Lake supports Alder Lake motherboards. Raptor Lake will smash 5800X3D
I bought a PC on ebay for £300 that had Ryzen 3600 CPU, 16Gb 3200Mhz RAM (that I have overclocked to 3800Mhz) an MSI B450 board and an 850W fully modular corsair PSU. I have put in my newly purchased 5800X3D and will sell the 3600 for about £100. The 5800X3D was £410. So that's £410 + £300 - £100 = £610 for top of the range gaming performance PC without GPU. Currently I have a GTX 1070 Ti in it that I bought for £220 but will be putting an RTX 3080 in it in the next few days. The RTX 3080 is currently in my Ryzen 5950X machine, which is used for both gaming and home lab with virtualisation. But I want to separate the roles. One PC for games, and one for my home lab.
I freaking love that Intel and AMD are so close in performance again. This is sooooo good news for next generation where both will no doubt do their absolutely best to please us
@@jaronmarles941 Ryzen 7000
@@jaronmarles941 Can I borrow your crystal ball? AMD's next platform is going to only be DDR5.
5800X3D is a unicorn that's real.
@@jaronmarles941 Well I do remember the initial benchmarks of Sandy Bridge through Skylake, where Memory speed made no real difference at all. Now I see these 'revisit' benchmarks where these old processors are tested with modern games and software, and often times they do better with 2133MT/s or 2400MT/s RAM. DDR5 might help Alder lake in the future. By the time that future comes, an 8-core CPU might be entry level for a Gaming rig, and 16-core CPUs are $350usd range.
Yes, the competition is good news for us..... but I don't think these companies will do their best to please us.... only at their convenience.
@@jaronmarles941 The fuck are you talking about? It wasn't DDR4 that caused the slight performance jumps over the skylake years.
5800X3D is in stock all around in EU at EUR 500. That may seem equivalent to USD 550 but usually EUR price = USD Price (VAT added to EU prices)
Yes, when you see prices in EUR you have to consider that a VAT of about 20% (the exact rate depending on the country) is ALWAYS included
Here in Denmark it is USD 440 excluding VAT.. so that's pretty nice.
Got the 12700K from Micro Center for $300 - at that price it's the deal of the century!
I would love to see this comparison with older chipset series and how this affect in the price/performance of a whole gaming build
From what he said on other videos the 5800x3d has pretty much same performance on b450 boards with 3200 speed ram
@@Durkhead I have a 3800xt on my x370 crosshair 6 hero with 2x8gb 3200mhz cl16 Trident Z (non OC), but im looking for price/performance benchmarks. The 5800x3d is my goal anyway, i've seen a big uplift at 1440p in my fav games in TPU, not only avg FPS but 0.1% low too, with nearly no increase in temps or power draw. But for 300series chipset, you have not ReBAR, i guess...
This cpu is awesome for those who have a am4 setup. I have the 5800x so its kind of pointless to change but if you are on the 3000 series and older, this is such an awesome upgrade.
Yea totally pointless for you unless you got money to burn. Anyone who was on Ryzen 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen... .this is really good improvement. I went from a 1800x to this and HOLY SHIT was it worth every penny. On an x370 motherboard too.
@@timothyandrewnielsen I know the 1800X is old. Was it performing unsatisfactoriy or just show signs of slowing down?
@@silenciummortum2193 CPU don't slow down. It was running fine but for gaming I often saw stutters.
I went with a 12700F with the MSI b660m-a you guys recommended and it’s absolutely lovely. It’s killing everything I throw at it and I’m even running it on the default 65W setting in the bios for the time being to keep it cool in the summer months. Thanks for these types of videos! Really helped me get the best value for my money. The 12700F was literally €75 cheaper than the 12700K in the Netherlands when I was buying. Even more if you factor in the more expensive motherboard.
What are the summer temperatures in the Netherlands where you are?
@@YOGURT1 First thing to note would be that it's very humid here so it's a different type of heat than in a lot of other countries. Doesn't matter much for a pc but for people it's very different vs a dry climate. That said I'd say anywhere from 18-34 is expected in june, july and august. Most days are probably 20-24. There are definitely days where I don't turn on my computer because it adds too much heat. Air conditioning is basically only found in government buildings, stores and offices but not in the vast majority of homes.
@@evilmarc ah yes humidity, it really does suck, makes 25 feel like 35. I live in Australia, Queensland. Its almost winter here.
2019: Intel is the better cpu for gaming but Ryzen is better for overall value
2022: AMD is the better cpu for gaming but Intel is better for overall value
Now we've come full circle...
what goes around comes around
2017: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw
2019: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw
2022: intel is the best to reach higher temps and power draw
Intell better at gaming in 2019? Lol don t think so 😉
@@BlindNeverAgain Gamers looking for the best performance typically don't care about temps and power draw. If heat and power draw were an issue, then the 12700 and it's K variants would still be competitive for gaming workloads as confirmed by testing from multiple sources.
I recently got a 12700k at Best Buy for $325 and I couldn’t be happier
Same bro
Totally happy with the 12700K especially as I play at ultra wide 3440x1440p and then on productivity the 12700K just does such a great job. Saying that the 5800XD is a great upgrade which can be a significant cost saving on motherboard and ram so very nice drop in for the last hurrah on AM4...
Yeah it's a great time for cpu market, both camps have good chips to offer. I hope availability wont be a big issue on AMD's part though.
0.1% and 1% lows are more important than average FPS for CPU performance in gaming, perhaps this should have been tallied for each resolution at the end. Also, the 5800X3D works great on cheap B550 boards considering overclocking is disabled.
The 5800X3D makes a lot of sense for those on AM4 already who are
1.) planning on upgrading to next-gen GPU's (3080+ performance)
2.) gaming at 1080p / 1440p @ 144+ hz
3.) Planning on skipping AM5 / DDR5 until zen6 / Intel 15th gen (2025)
4.) wanting top-tier game performance while keeping power consumption / heat at a minimum
Yeah it's strange that steve shot-down any b550 board when there's bunch of great b550 boards out there (steel-legend for example).
I'm not a graphics designer but would it be possible (visually appealing) to have text on the screen when talking about price to make it easier to comprehend the numbers being discussed
So doing a modest OC on 12700K seems like the way to go. Even better when paired with some B-die RAM.
... If you like having to get a literally 2x beefier power supply and CPU cooler, then yes lol. 🤷 If you ONLY game, the R7 5800X3D is arguably STILL the sheer gaming value CHAMP, w/ only the i5-13600KF being similar in bang/$ (although overall more expensive bc newish board required & DDR5 needed for peak perf).
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 i7-12700K pulls about ≈180W under load. The R7 5800X3D pulls just ≈75W. Lol how about YOU do the fucking math dumbass. 🤣 That's MORE than DOUBLE the cooling capacity needed! More like 2.5x! And that likely means you'll need about a third more PSU capacity to comfortably drive it (say 850W vs 550-650W), let ALONE if you wanna overclock the mini nuclear reactors that are Alder & Raptor Lake i7/i9 CPU's!
Since so many want to upgrade to the 5800X3D keeping their old RAM and motherboard I would be interested to see how such a configuration would perform and if you can really fully recommend this upgrade on those kind of systems.
The 5800x3d isnt scaling well with memory. You can get the same performance with a 3200 mhz ram as with higher and faster memory. They answered this in a Q&A and the first 5800x3d review. I'd recommend checking it out for better information about it :)
@@fIREbALL1990 because of the extra cache it what I'm suspecting
So much of the games important data is loaded into cache that memory performance becomes way less of an issue
@@fIREbALL1990 super!
How about 3000mhz ram?
@@jamo8154 i think its roughly the same performance with 3000 too
I was able to get my 5800X3D for ~399$ at launch day. Upgrading from 3800X.
nice, i got 12700k for 340€ at launch.
i'm hunting for 5800x3d for 400€, for sim racing and MMO, plan is to give that 12700K to my sister, as she's an artist so she will love that productivity.
Then we're good for next decade.
@@KryssN1 wow
@@KryssN1 I like your pfp to be honest
While I see the value proposition for this in the 12700 side, this really only accounts for a new system, you aren't taking into account how many already have bought into the AM4 platform already... So going from say a 2600 to the 5800x3d is significantly cheaper than replacing motherboard and CPU, especially if a high quality x470 is already in a system
Yup. This is the real question to answer for yourself.
The 12700kf is $350. Get a $160 mobo and you're very close to what you'll actually be paying for a new 5800x3D. I wouldn't call a $20-ish difference "significantly cheaper."
@@popcornchicken3300 everything depends on where you live, to me z690 motherboards are nowhere near your claimed 160 dollars, other than the really useless cheapest ones like the garbage z690 ud being around 200 all of them are over 300 dollars (tuf z690 or msi tomahawk while a rog z690-f is already 350) and the 12700kf is 400 dollars so it's not that easy as you say
@@kerotomas1 I mean B660 is enough if u dont wanna OC... U could even take a 100 bucks B660 and A 12700F and come out at just over 400... Sure the 3D will have a little more performance but its really not noticeable unless u pair it with a 3090ti and play 1080p
@@froznfire9531 The problem with this is ram performance. Intel locked the System Agent voltage on non-K cpus so your ram speeds are going to be terrible with stock vccsa voltage. Unfortunately while B660 can work if you don't want to OC the cpu itself this time you really need a K/KF series cpu for optimal ram performance.
Always good to get a bit of confirmation with purchases. I just received my 12700F B660 DDR4 parts. Makes me feel more confident to hear Steve speak quite highly of it, to stave of the endless 'Should I have waited for next gen' thoughts. 8400 couldn't hold out much longer
Good video. The larger l3 cache is going to hold its value for longer with future games that come out. I suspect it is going to be the new standard to have a dump truck load more L3 cache compared to previous generations from both AmD and Intel and X3D is in a good place to ride it out long-term compared to the I7. Plus with some games still GPU bound, we haven't seen X3Ds final form yet.
520-530€ for 5800x3d in europe.
yeaah, and I didn't even think it's worth 400-450...
What I will be interested in seeing is how well the 5800x3d scales with the next generation of GPUs.
Will we see the same performance margins we currently have at 1080P shift up to 1440P once the GPU bottleneck moves upward?
yes
Or maybe someone does benchmarks not using ultra settings for competitive shooters...
@@BKHD605 Graphical detail is just as important as frames per second.
The fact that the 1% lows are consistently ahead tells you how it would scale with future GPUs.
@@BlackJesus8463 not true for most competitive shooters. Nice to have on single player and casual games though
Steve, you somehow forgot where the real value in purchasing each of these CPUs is; the real value in buying a 12700f/k is for not necessarily being cheaper itself but also being the midrangish on a brand new socket, whereas 5800X3D is now on a dead platform; likewise the real value in a 5800X3D isn't on building a new system (that makes it pretty bad value considering you'd be sacrificing DDR5, PCIe5 etc. and an upgrade path to next gen to get EOL) but on upgrading an existing one.
To me that's where the only real sensible comparison is on these things, because as someone on AM4 the 12700k is a no brainer if building new, and ironically placing it in the position Intel was in last year where having the upgrade path to Zen3 is exactly why I built on AM4 with a 3700x to begin with, except even now it's not as good in the sense I'd be able to upgrade to DDR5 and PCIe 5 later with a high end 13000k series after buying probably a 12600k this gen. Meanwhile a big reason there's the interest in 5800X3D is because so many people are on AM4 at this point that we're all basically looking at one of three classes of the final boss of AM4: the tanky 5950x for best multicore, the jack-of-all 5900x for gaming without losing some prosumer skills, and the wizard class 5800X3D powergamer.
I got a 12700kf when it came out. Not to jump over to DDR5, but rather to avoid having to do so. I upgraded so I can get another round of usage from my existing RAM. If you have a good DDR4 kit, going DDR5 isn't really helping you, on the contrary, it might actually be worse because slower latencies. Plus DDR5 is expensive.
If I was to build a new system _now,_ I'd frankly probably go with 5800X3D because it's kind of a unicorn for gaming. I'd rather stay with DDR4 for now and I don't see much use for PCIe5 yet so old platform is a pretty moot point. Performance is all that matters in the end, and I buy whatever performs best in a price range I'm comfortable paying.
@@SaltyMaud Fair point. I didn't even consider the reusing DDR4 RAM part. Of course my point though vis a vis DDR5/PCIe 5 wasn't to start using all that stuff now, so much as having ability to do so (interoperability of DDR4/5 also being a great feature). So it was more the same idea that I could get 3700x and get final boss years later, like I'd get higher end DDR5 and 13k many years down the line.
@Transistor Jump i7 and i5 are midrange to me. My 3700x was midrange, and so was my 5700XT. 9 is high end, enthusiast class hardware, as is 800. i3 is budget.
@Transistor Jump Then buy the cheaper prebuilt or CPU if you think that..? And in what ways beside, do you mean just for gaming, or do you intend to use your 9 sku tier chip on something like its intended use rather than just strictly gaming? ...or lol do you have a $5000 Alienware PC per chance?
It's wild that the 5800x3D isnow CHEAPER than the 12700KF! I only have a 2700x but the 5x3d is looking very tempting...can't decide if that or a PS5 Digita
Fantastic test but theres one important thing left out: MMORPG's like FF14 and WOW with heavy world populations hammer the CPU and Im hearing that the performance gains in these MMOs is massive for the 5800X3D due to the huge V-cache. This an important use case for some people who are MMO fanatics and only care about those games and I would like to see 1-2 major MMO games benchmarked in future videos. They are important and importance in those games will be the only thing some of your viewers care about.
There is a video out there that benchmarks wow and as expected the boost is very noticeable.. I wish the video was a bit more detailed, but the results are there, and of course we can expect similarly in FF as well
@@knfbnny The MMO's are badly optimized and heavy on single threads but even with that the performance isnt titanic in normal settings with few players loaded in your world. Its when you go to massively populated area and framerate tanks that you start to see how amazing this CPU is. MMO fanatics like Asmongold would pay thousands of dollars for a laptop+desktop with this CPU in it and it shows how braindead AMD's marketing department is that they dont use MMORPG performance as a vehicle to promote these chips.
@@HoldinContempt in the early 2000s I managed to pick-up the first AMD dual core consumer CPU, an opteron, touted as a 'workstation' CPU for socket 939
Back then it was common to have a single core athlon or pentium of 3.0ghz or so, but from memory this opteron was like a dual core 1.8 so on paper it didn't sound good but the difference was MASSIVE. The fact you could unpack a rar file and the computer was still usable for other tasks made all the difference. It was a drop in upgrade, like the 5800x3d will be for me and it changed my life
AMD marketed this consumer opteron like you could only be an architect or something to use it, but this was something totally else. I think it took another 1-2yrs before dual core became common place.
The 5800x3d story "feels" like another repeat of history for me. Back then Intel's response was "nah, you don't want that you want clockspeed here is a 3.4ghz CPU".. History just finds a way of repeating itself
@@knfbnny AMD have always been fools. Their engineers create solid gold and their executives turn it into liquid shite.
@hardware Unboxed, considering the 5800x3d doesn't overclock why are you not confident on a b550 for it? Also I have seen that the 5800x3d has bad memory scaling so you wouldn't need a good set of memory for it offsetting the cost a bit more. Thank you for all your work, greatly appreciated! 👍
I’m running a pretty low end b550 mb for my 5800X and never had a hint of a problem with it
It isnt that the x3d has bad memory scaling, just that the extra cache is providing some of the boost you normally need the fast ram to get. It only makes sense that you wouldn't get significantly more with faster memory.
There's something fishy going on with the 5800x3d stock in Europe. Mindfactory claims they've sold over 600 but they've jacked up the prices - 530€. And they do that when they have very limited stock. Oh yeah forgot to add pc shops in my country have yet to receive a single chip.
How.. That's near enough the sale prices of the 5900..
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks not "near", it's more.
5900x is selling for 450€, 5800x3d for 520€
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I mean 5950X, that's my bad.
Mindfactory is the shop where I always used to buy my stuff to build my rigs, best prices by far in the whole-wide country
@@Dark88Dragon Agreed. Before MF, Hardwareversand was the place to buy but they went under.
I thoroughly enjoyed every one of Master Chief's poses. I wonder if the script for this video had all the poses in parentheses. 🤔
Been able to find 5800X3D's in stock, but I'm not liking the local markups. 🤬 Over 60% at some stores but most are around the 40-50% area. 👎
Oof
@@Zordonzig Definitely oof. These are local Aussie prices too, so everywhere from PC Case Gear to Scorptec and everywhere in-between. Atleast I can find stock still, most others are gone.
its not local markups, it's global, it's AMD and not the retailers
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I bought mine for MSRP for £409.99
@@redrock425 probably first day/week.
Really useful thank you. Thanks to your early review I had the confidence to buy the 5800x3d on launch day. Had no issues getting one and it was in my machine (existing b550 board) the next day :) paired with a 3090FE. Hasn’t effected my ave fps in Warzone (3440x1440) but the 1% lows are better, subjectively it feels better but who knows. Should have time to try some other games this weekend. Only upgraded because I was building another machine, so thought I could put my old cpu in there. I fully intend to buy a 4080ti so hoping the 5800x3d can cope so I can skip Zen 4 and the first wave of DDR5.
@@jaronmarles941 it made sense in my head anyway 😂. Seems to be plenty of other people buying them though as any stock that comes in seems to go straight away. Hopefully it will give AMD the confidence to bring more 3D cache chips out for the next generation. I’ve had no issues with mine and games like control are definitely benefiting. Still haven’t tried cyberpunk yet, but again at my resolution I’m only hoping for a lift in the 1% lows.
32GB of Patriot Viper Steel that can run at 3733Mhz CL14-14-14-14-28 cost me £240. Aorus Elite X570 cost me £189 and I paid £410 for my Ryzen 7 5800X 3D. That's around £840 for that setup that can hang with anything...That's value.
You could just pair it with cheap RAM, 3200 CL16 @ XMP and get basically the same performance thanks to the humongous amount of L3 cache. Saving money and more importantly time
@@ij6708 It would just be slower. 16GB of patriot Viper steel is like £110 now, why would I need to go cheaper with a sub par kit?
Can you test the Matrix city demo. I have never seen a game push my i7-11700KF like this. Almost 150 watts ingame. UE5 is CPU bound so its probably a good test for future proofing CPUs.
Thanks man, it's nice to see that my 5800X3D will future proof on 1080p
There's also the cooler you'll need. The i7 12700KF will probably require a 240mil AIO, even for stock settings, where the 5800X3D can be cooled with a Hyper 212 or similar class aircooler. Here in the Netherlands, a 12700KF with an MSI Pro Z690-P can be had for ~600€, and a 5800X3D with an MSI B550-A Pro can be had for ~610€. Those boards have very similar feature sets despite the cheaper chipset on the AMD side. Considering these costs and the cost of the cooler, the 5800X3D set will actually be cheaper here. But this will differ per country, of course.
12700k actually runs cooler than 5800x and 5800x3d and my old haswell 4770k.
We've seen bundles here in the US with the 12700k and ASRock z690 steel legend going for $435 while the 5800x3d was $450 by itself.
We've got the thermalright peerless assassin for around $40 that I'd probably pair with both. 5800x3d can still get spicy from the way it handles voltages despite being lower power consumption.
@@KryssN1 That's funny, as the i7 draws like 40 to 50 watts more power, and that of course gets worse when you overclock.
@@reinierovertoom7123
It draws lower power idle.
It draws more power in stress test yes, by 40-50 watts, but 12700 should be compared against 5900X in stress test as it beats it in productivity.
5800x3D is like 3/5 or even 2/4 performance of 12700 in productivity.
In games it only draws like 15-25 more W, cause what is most utilized in games is the GPU.
The 5800X3D runs fairly hot, I certainly wouldn't put a Hyper 212 on it. It doesn't draw as much power, but all the heat is concentrated in that one tiny die.
While 5800x3d is premium, because you can’t oc , you don’t really need premium board, just a quality board with features you want.
Already proven you can OC via BCLK. MSI, Gigabyte and ASUS have all had them over 5.0Ghz without exotic cooling. 👍
I have a feeling some time in the future it will become overclockable in one way or another.
You also don't need fast memory
@@valentinvas6454 it is
There A520 MBs with beefy vrms. That even could run the R7 5800x3d since they are not as power hog as intel equivalent.
Thanks for covering it. Seems like every other tech channel has forgot that it exists.
A year later, the i7-12700kf is cheaper than the 5800x where I live.
I'm still annoyed that AMD waited so long to release the 5700X! I was running a 5700XT, X570, R5 3600 setup and it would have satisfied my OCD to add another 57 to the mix, but I went for a 5800X last year.
The 3600 with a mild OC can keep the 5700XT pinned to the wall with ease... But matching numbers are sexy! :P
@@andersjjensen The way some folks comment on here, they act as if the 3600 is completely useless! It was doing pretty well but I decided to spoil myself.
Great stuff, can we get a 5800x3D vs 5900x? Many of us on AM4 are looking to understand what would be the ultimate chip to upgrade into and stick with for the next few years or more (whenever they start to feel obsolete or bothersome for us) on AM4
It'll ultimately be cheaper to just spent the high cost now on a ultimate platform ending chip than to buy a whole new platform just 2 years from now for those of us still on ryzen 2000 or 3000
I'm leaning towards 5900x just due to frame pacing with a better frame median (even if avg is the same), and we are seeing multi core utilization pick up much much more than with many games allowing themselves to utilize even past 6 cores with new AAA games. Unfortunately those said games like Bf2042 have failed but it's still an indication of where hardware requirements are headed. Id suspect 8c16 CPUs would actually start scaling even in avg fps if not at least 1% lows when 2023 hits
Great vid as always but I wish there was comparison of heat output and power consumption while gaming as well.
I can only imagine what would happen if they made x3D versions of other CPUs if possible. To think this is just a gaming variant of the 5800x, for only about $100 extra of the original
Upgradinh to AM5 is a bit early and also expensive for me, so to be able to get such an amazing performance increase for basically the same price and socket as my old cpu is pretty amazing
I can only imagine what a 5950x3D or 7900x3D would be like if they even get to making those
As always a perfectly detailed review
5900x at $380 is what I'm getting because of old asus b550 rog strix.
Thanks for testing starcraft! Really cool to see how well it makes use of the extra cache.
The master chief figurine gave me a good chuckle
Strange how apparently the 5800X3D is out of stock in places like the US and Australia, while here in Norway it never sold out anywhere and is still in stock at pretty much all the e-tailers.
Yeah it's easy to grab over here but I'm sticking with my 5800x. Will last me many years with a 3080Ti gaming at 3440x1440.
@@tmkongen For sure, no point upgrading if you already have a 5000 series, especially for high res gaming. Nothing to be gained there.
It's good for people with an older gen Ryzen chip who are looking to get into super high FPS 1080p gaming.
@@isakh8565 I upgraded from 5800X -> 5800X3D since I don't plan on upgrading my mobo or RAM for as long as possible. I think the 5800X3D should allow me to skip an extra 1-2 CPU generations assuming L3 cache becomes more important for games as time progresses. If not, I suppose I'm only out $180.
Frankly I'd rather have the 12700k. It's less than 10% slower even at 1080p, marginally at higher resolutions, and the 12700k trounces it at most other tasks and is quite a bit cheaper. If I already had an AM4 board, I would probably go with a better value CPU from the 5600 to the 5900x rather than this 3D cpu also. It's just a very poor performer at most tasks for $450.
I see the argument from people who don't care about stuff other than gaming looking for AM4s top performer though, it's the best CPU for that.
True, most cases it's just better value to build brand new on LGA 1700 than "upgrade" to 5800x3d. IMO, $450 is a lot of money to throw on a dead platform.
@@ensiel4738 Eh, for $450 I now have one of the fastest CPUs for gaming on a motherboard/ram combination I’ve been using for almost 5 years.
Kind of hard to explain the absolute insane value this is for gamers coming from Ryzen a 1600/2600.
If I were building from scratch the Intel CPUs would make a lot of sense, but the value of a drop in top tier CPU for motherboards 4-5 years old is nuts.
@@jasonwyllie1723 It's fine as an AM4 upgrade if you already have a board that works well with it and are looking to max performance on the socket. It still feels like only a half-upgrade to me over zen 3 though, and in a lot of areas no improvement even. I will be looking forward to zen 4 hopefully with both faster cores and more cache combined. I expect it will be the biggest uplift since the original Zen.
@@ssssaa2 No doubt. I wouldn't build a system just for the 5800x3d, but it's going to sell a ton for people still running the Ryzen 1/2's. With this I should be set CPU wise for the next 3-4 years making this motherboard ram/combo good for 6+ years easily, almost unheard of.
Had my AMD pc with a 1800x.
Upgrated 5800x3D and really happy.
For me, 390USD 12c/24T Ryzen 9 5900X is way better option...
Imagine if AMD released the 5800x3d when Zen 3 first released. Shivers down my spine
I mean zen 3 destroy 9th and 10th this basically would of been kiss of death
@@jaronmarles941 9900k doesn't not have similar performance as a 5800x 5600x trade blows with Intel 10th 10 core go watch the reviews
@@chriswright8074 the only issue is intel is very close on launching the 13th gen Raptor Lake cpus, which will once again placing 5800X3D in an insecure position again, the 12th gen is already an bona-fide lineup.
I was going to upgrade to a 5800X3D but i ended up buying the 5700X for $150 less. Its also easier to cool at 64W vs 105W...I know the 5800X3D will end up having crazy resale value similar to what the i7 7700k did but I'm not to worried about that.
In terms of cooling, i've had no problems cooling the 5800x3d with a £30 DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GT BK
It peaks at 80 degrees while stressing the CPU in an fps game like BF or COD
@@Sackboy612 I'm sitting at under 70C Max with a be quiet! Pure Rock 2 on 5700x. idles at 38C.. i'm happy with a little less heat in my PC case.
The 5800X3D is easy to undervolt though. You can get it back down to 65W with a bit of tinkering.
You already admit several flaws in your reasoning but you rationalize it anyway. Who are you posing this comment for. Us, or yourself?
Not saying you should've bought either/or. But these comments always perplex me how they reek of choice-supportive bias.
@@Sackboy612 CPUs dont get stressed in games :) Try cinebench or Prime 95 and tell us the results, highly doubt the R7 wont downclock
@@Sackboy612 You can improve that situation. For reference Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm 32 idle 62 - 67 gaming. Also gaming load efficiency is crazy 40-55 watts.
The addition of Master Chief and Ironman to your B role makes this the best comparison video you have ever done!!!!
This was the comparison we wanted to see! Thanks again Steve what an amazing and detailed breakdown.
The review I've been waiting for! Thanks for all your efforts recently. I think I'm going to put some $ aside and wait to see what is around the corner. If the 5800X3D is anything to go by, improvements in hardware may be astonishing.
Many games are very poorly optimised too, could you put single-core dependent games like DCS and Star Citizen in your tests? These are mainly CPU bound?
I play Star Citizen and it is TOUGH on my 2600X with RX 480 8 GB
I wonder if 3D Cache will be used on next Gen consoles as it sort of makes sense in terms of wanting lower power and slower clocks.
In 5-7 years time, probably they will. By then we could be on better things already.
As by 2024 probably it will be default go to technology starting with Zen 5 or Zen5+, the Zen 4 v cache refresh is already in plans.
Raptor Lake increasing cache already by 54% in Q3/Q4, to Ryzen 5900X level on single monolithic die.
We will probably start seeing default 32mb+ L3 cache for CCD CPU from next year on, probably on all mid range/mainstream stuff even from Intel and high end 64mb.
Thx for the review and hard quality work put in it. This channel is quickly approaching to the 1 mil milestone subs. Keep posting, we are happy to celebrate together.
That Master Chief on the b-roll shots was the best thing in this video :)
5900X discounts will deliver good gaming perf and strong productivity. You can also slap it into a cheaper MB and it will run just fine. So AMD Ryzen has all the needs covered IMO.
Steve is one of the best, one stop shop with this guy. I’m always here before I buy my gaming hardware.
I7 12700KF paired with the MSI RX6700XT in the MSI PRO Z690-A mobo has been a great upgrade from the I7 4770s/MSI Twin Frozer R9 290 Went with the 12700KF after reading about the special attention Microsoft was giving Intel with the thread director on Windows 11. It runs cool with the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev.C. In the 20s idle and max gaming mid 50s in games that utilize the cores. A lot of games it's basically running in the 30s. Hopefully can get as long out of it as I have the 4770 and R9 290 which are now my kids. FX8150 still going strong and performing good at the games played on it and the GTX 750.
The regular 5800X is a no brainer @ the current price.
Unless you're gonna pair a RTX3090Ti with a 1080p monitor, or else just grab whichever is cheaper or simply upgrade if you own an AM4 board already
Not much notable difference anyway, even if there is, it's really not worth the hassle
eh even 12700k is overkill but definitely no need to even consider 5800x3d unless it goes down below 400 or 350€ this year
if you are a sim racer, sim flight or mmo gamer, that 5800x3d smokes anything even at 4k.
Asetto Corsa, iRacing, WarThunder, Ace Combat, MS Flight Sim consistentnyl faster from 1080p to 4K by simlar amount compared to 12700kf
Yeah i know it's faster, but at what cost?
I somehow agree with P up there, an overkill CPU gives you minimal return in performance
Anything above your monitor's refresh rate is just pure waste of computational power and electricity as well
And I really doubt if you want 240fps flight simulator on 1080p
Or else if the game itself is more likely GPU-bound, especially on higher resolutions, your investment on CPU is still not worth given that you can buy 5700X which is also 8C16T of the same generation of CPU
@@javis1213
Relative performance is still noticably higher at 4k just like at 1080p with 5800x3d for simrsacing.
Especially the 1% lows which makes the gameplay smooth.
The high fps matter and 1% lows matter, even if you are above your screen refresh rate.
Don't belive me go watch LTT Shroud reaction test.
@@KryssN1 Don't get me wrong there, I acknowledged the difference in performance between 5800x3d and the rest. Maybe you've got unlimited funds to max out everything, then of course 5800x3d smokes anything. But most of the people out there source PC parts with a budget, whether it's tight or not, they maximize what they can get with that given amount of money.
I believe the extra $100 on 5800x3d over 5700x would be better spent on stuff like... Extra ram, ssd, or even a higher tier gpu, or even several pc games, rather than a "faster cpu", not even faster IPC, not to mention 5800x3d is not overclockable unlike the rest.
It's a concept of worth doing something or not.
I thoroughly enjoyed the shots of Master Chief holding the CPUs. Well done gents
there is this 12700k, z690 mobo, and ram bundle for 349.99 at my micro center so the 12700k is a no brainer to me
11:23 what exactly makes a general B550 an inferior choice for CPU performance, compared to a general X570?
Nothing they're better
Lots and lots of things. They're just generally better
nothing. Unless you buy a board with absolute trash VRMs, which is rare, CPU performance on B550 and X570 is generally the same. The two chipsets only differ in how much I/O you get (i.e. fewer pcie4 slots, somewhat less USB/SATA etc).
nothing except pcie 4.
and possibly unless you have like 3800/4200mhz ram lol.
@@Hugh_I So it's just about extra features, rather than raw CPU performance. I don't see what's Steve's point then...
I still can't grasp these generational improvements in performance, I remember when intel literally used to have 1-2 % performance gains for like 5 years and AMD was a disaster with the FX cpus and on the brink of bankruptcy, it literally made you think better performance wouldn't be possible.
Ofcourse Intel sitting on their ass made you think so. Arm on the other hand continued to give better performance every generation.
Thank God for AMD. I won't buy another Intel CPU for... like... ever. They milked us for ten years.
@@slayer100141 Thank you, Cap'n Obvious.
Looking at the supply chain, and the roadmap for further lockdowns, I think it’s too soon for AM5, sure AM4 has had a full cycle, but conditions just aren’t there for the output of new systems. Especially as component demands for defense purposes ramp up. All things considered, I think it makes sense to keep rolling out upgrades for AM4. With the 5800x3d sold out, it bodes well for a 5950X3D. And thats far better than a 6000 series which doesn’t sell because the customer can’t find ddr5 or the motherboard is stuck waiting for assembly.
The 5950X3D will not be built. The 5800X3D is the only one and its price is starting to rise. In Poland, this CPU is 30% more expensive than the 5800X and about 35% compared to the i7-12700F
I got a 5800x3d and i gotta say I'm quite satisfied with my purchase and I don't have to change any of my parts...I'm had the same parts for 3-4 years now ( a few upgrades like graphic cards), but pretty much the same parts.
Hard to value these CPUs for gaming. How much over performance do we really need @1080p??? And then @1440p and higher it's a wash, and there's no piratical differences, since everything starts to get GPU limited... It's a great time to go cheap on a CPU.
The 1% low advantage is indicative of how long the CPU will remain relevant for gaming.
@Transistor Jump Enlighten me on your POV perhaps. Understand I'm talking about relative to its contemporaries. This channel has already shown us how much more cache has an effect than raw core count. Still quads have a rough time in games today as far as frame consistency. Games got to a point of genuinely benefitting from more than 8 threads by the end of the last console generation. The 12700K has an extra 4 threads but we are a long way off from a point where the majority of what'll be console ports needing more than 16 threads. The only other thing to invalidate a CPU would be some new instruction set, which would effect both these CPUs equally. Over the useful life of both these CPUs one could go through many generations of GPUs and eventually one will be far worse than the other at providing a consistent experience. Averages can be skewed by having very high Max fps at moments that are completely inconsequential. Worse lows would eventually wreck the experience.
In the tested configuration, DDR 4 is the worst version of the 12700K. So other your options are to pay way more upfront on Z690 with DDR 5, or pay twice to eventually get the most out of it. There aren't many other variables where it's going to end up better than the 5800X3D for gaming alone. Especially for the kind of person still on something like a 4790K or older. Plenty of those sold as part of an EOL platform. Well, after not being the newest CPU available, since it was always the last option for Z97.
@Transistor Jump ok guy. The 1st line would have been enough.
My conclusion a month ago when I ordered and built my parts (so before this video).
Was to get the i7 12700 with b660 ddr4 board. This vs the K variant is almost no difference in gaming maybe 0.5% difference in games. and about 1-2% different to the i9 12900k.
But the added cost of getting an external cooler, the K series premium price and the Z series unlocked board equates to another £250 of expenses for that amount of difference just for the i7 alone, not even thinking of the i9 here.
And I was right, when I push my CPU with p95 it can pull 200w and sit around 170-180w at longer durations. Yeah it is maybe 100mhz lower than the i7 12700k, but you aren't overclocking that chip anyway when you need to cool ~200w and there's not much headroom.
I am running an old CM ML 120L v1 with a Noctua cooling the AIO and hitting 100c on a max heat run, and 80c on a "max power consumption" test.
The fact is you are correct, a stock 5800x3d on cheap mobo running AMD stock cooler will be beating liquid cooled 5.2ghz 12700k 5.2ghz all day long in most games.
@@railshot888 I mean it depends on the game but yeah
EDIT: also another thing I saw in comments is they test these games in a secluded environment. The 12700 has 4 E cores which can handle the background spotify, discord, chrome tabs, second monitor(yes this puts demand on ur CPU) and any other background apps, which may edge the performance ahead for intel's 12th gen.
@@apiniti correct just like what I said in majority of the games stock 5800x3d on trash cooler will beat 12700k max oc in "most games".
@@railshot888 Stock cooler for a 5800x3D? Hell nah, it will overheat in an instant... You need pretty identical cooling for both but both can be optimized to be more efficient without much performance sacrifice
@@railshot888 Are you reading what I said, no-one knows the real world performance because these systems haven't been tested in the scenario I mentioned for example...
5800x3d is available in the Netherlands, at MSRP, in 4 different shop with next day delivery, and has been since launch.
And AMD motherboard prices in the US seem to be rather bad. There's multiple decent b550 boards at around 70 euro available (including 21% VAT).
And on AMD's side the board doesn't effect performance in any significant way anyway.
Loving the model placements. Chief doing gymnastics gave me a chuckle.
Love the shots with master chief 👍
5800x3d is the perfect example that we don't need new processors every year, we could just save the resources & work on making things more affordable & help the poor & save the environment. Everybody wins. Just not the guys who are constantly running after money money money.🏃🏃
What AMD is doing is great for the environment. People already on AM4 don't need to buy a new motherboard or get new RAM, and the 5800X3D uses half as much power as the 12900K while getting the same performance.
@@lbpk5786 yes 🙌
I cracked up with master chief holding the 5800x3d while standing. how cute 😂
the ultimate value for 5800X3D is to drop it into a and old (even x370) board that you may still be using to run a 1st gen ryzen on. at least crosshair VI just dropped one that supports 5700x and 5800X3D
When will 600hz monitors release to take advantage of 5800x3d in valorant...
completely ignoring the concept of frametime. such a valuable comment!
@@snoedy2125 bruh im joking i play cs @ 500+ fps and my friends comment "why do you need more than your 144 refresh rate"
but tbh the frametime difference of 550 vs 650 is not that much (1/550=0.0018, 1/650 = 0.0015)
even pro players cant tell the difference between the 240hz vs 360 or 390hz
@@Vennux 622 fps is significantly more than 598fps, it's not a huge difference but worth spending another $350 for.
@@Vennux I would guess pros can tell a difference between 240 and 390... Especially if they adapt to it. But other things such as DyAc+ are much more valuable at those FPS than some hz more
why not also use the 6900xt from amd, just to see if there's any difference?
Awesome video as always. Thanks guys for all the great work. Please don't stop.. EVER
This is a great resource to come back to for reference, ty👍🏻
My favourite cpu is 12700f but it is quite underrated... Yes no kf is actually required according to me
Yeah, it is rather awesome for the price. Plus i don't really need much overclocking for these hot chips. 5800x3D here goes for 600 euros, quite insane, but it is the fastest. 12700kf 410 euros, 12700f is 340-350 euros
@neogeomaster ?
What about KFC?
@@whitemoses7913 man i love KFC
@@user-tn6tb2qh8d finger licking good!
Buying 5800x3d is not great purchase by its on , but if you have motherboard , ram and everything else and you need just to update bios and put new cpu in ,its much more logical then investing in new platform.
So in the end 5800x3d is best purchase if you want best gaming performance just by upgrade and if you dont 5700x or 5800x is great option as well.
Yeah wait for the next gen to come down in price.
Go with the 12700 if you’re building a new system the resale value will be better since it’s better at production, and gaming wise you won’t notice the difference. You will be able to upgrade to 13th Gen, Ryzen you will be stuck.
I saw the 5800X3D for $450 yesterday at Amazon, so checking around makes a difference and the availability is going to fluctuate since it's still new, and a lot of people wanted it.
It has been in stock almost every day the last week on AMD’s site.
If you want one they’re not hard to find!
5800x3d is available direct from AMD for the last week that I have seen at MSRP. Same for the 6900xt
Not anymore.
avaliable, but not at the advertised price
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j AMD direct only sells at MSRP
@@MafiaboysWorld literally just checked and both still in stock right now. Not sure where you’re looking
5800x3d
5800X and 12700KF are essentially equal in terms of price to performance. 5800X is a bit weaker, but also a bit cheaper. Comparing either of them to the X3D doesn't make sense. The X3D is a halo product. As is the 12900K/12900KS. Halo products will *always* have a worse price to performance. When compared to what the X3D is actually competing against, it's better, by a lot. When comparing the 5800X and 12700K, it honestly just depends on your mobo. I personally have a B450 currently, so if I ever upgrade, it will be to a Zen 3 chip. If you have the 12th gen Intel socket, obviously upgrade to Intel. If you're buying a new computer, wait. New cpus are just around the corner.
I'm still on 3600 with b450 and still can't justify going to even 5600 because I have rtx 2060 and won't see much difference...
unless you're buying 2nd hand cheaper, get a 5700x as for some reason 5800x is still selling in stores and a bit more expensive. they have literally same performance
@@h0stile420 get a 6700xt mer you love it y'all not doing y'all selfs justice by not using sam
5800X is better value for gaming because of cheaper motherboards. Although I personally would just get a 5600 or a 12400f.
Omg the b roll with the action figures made my day lol. It will always boggle my mind when I see benchmarks like city skylines, it's so weird.
Really not sure which was the real showcase for this video, the 5800X3D or Master Chief.
12700F is really underrated..
Intel is better
I went with the 5800x3D and I plan to use it for 5 years.
I wanted to say the CPU is running little hot and doing the offset -0.1V makes a lot of difference in temperature and the performance is only hit when you are using all cores as the limit is 4.35Ghz. Otherwise, the cores are reaching 4.5GHz.
This escalated quickly to a Master Chief VS Ironman posing competition O.O
Intel shills will still say AMD is worthless and a bad platform. (Knew people like this) *Userbenchmark, On a side note, do you guys mind adding the AUD pricing in the video as a little note for those who are Aussie? Would be super helpful instead of us having to look it up.
I mean it kind of is now. 12700k is very close and has an upgrade path with 13th gen. Am4 is completely dead now.
@@MrDutch1e wow you get one more gen from Intel oh how they’ve changed. Why not wait for AMD 6000 then you may be able to get 4 gens again?
12th gen is the validation UserBenchmark needed to prevent entering mental breakdown
@@shiraz1736 it's one more than the AM4....so yeah it matters.....and we have no idea what AMD or Intel are cooking for 6000\ 14th gen.
@@shiraz1736 didn't say not to. I've been on 12th gen since launch tho. I basically only play warzone and was on a 5800x. Way more of an upgrade than they depict here. Solid 25% gain to 1% lows. Nobody should buy now if they don't need to tho. Wait for both generations to launch from AMD and Intel then choose. Ddr5 might come down by then to. It's actually not terribly priced in Canada but still could be better.