Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-14900K (Extreme/Performance Profiles) Updated Testing

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    Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-14900K (Extreme/Performance Profiles) Updated Testing
    Video Index
    00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
    00:41 - Ad spot
    01:32 - Engineers spilt the beans
    03:26 - Intel’s power profiles clarified
    04:49 - Test system specs
    05:51 - Assassin’s Creed Mirage
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    08:28 - Hogwarts Legacy
    08:48 - Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
    09:05 - Starfield
    09:23 - 24 Game Average
    10:24 - 7800X3D vs 14900K [Extreme Profile]
    11:03 - 7800X3D vs 14900K [Performance Profile]
    11:15 - Performance vs Extreme Profiles
    11:35 - Power Usage
    13:38 - Summarising Intel’s Profile Results
    15:44 - Final Thoughts
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  • @anirbansaha932
    @anirbansaha932 12 днів тому +604

    The fact that Steve went so far as to delete his old video which he was getting a lot of views from because the video is now outdated is sheer proof of the dedication of this guy.
    As always a great comparison video. Great work Steve. Keep up the good work

    • @Sziklapeti
      @Sziklapeti 12 днів тому +10

      Came to comment section to type the same but searched for 'delete' and found yours! So true and I really respect it! Keep up indeed!

    • @HUMC5
      @HUMC5 12 днів тому +4

      It's probably unlisted or hidden.

    • @Deinorius
      @Deinorius 12 днів тому +4

      Tbh they won't loose anything noteworthy but it's still nice to see.

    • @Hardwareunboxed
      @Hardwareunboxed  11 днів тому +142

      @@Deinorius well we did lose a weeks worth of work, so that in itself does sting a bit :D We also lost a high view video that was still generating over 5000 views per day for the channel and would have no doubt made us good money over the next 12 months. Anyway, we felt the right thing to do was delete that video and hopefully the traffic gets served to this new one, but it's YT, anything could happen there :D

    • @Hardwareunboxed
      @Hardwareunboxed  11 днів тому +90

      @@HUMC5 It's deleted, we have it on our local server, but it's gone from YT and Floatplane.

  • @lvmarv1
    @lvmarv1 12 днів тому +558

    Just got a 7800x3D. In my country, the 7800x3D I just got was $619, and a 14900K is $1049. Absolute insanity to buy a 14900K if you are a gamer.

    • @TillTheLightTakesUs
      @TillTheLightTakesUs 12 днів тому +6

      Felicitations. Where did you upgrade from?

    • @puffyips
      @puffyips 12 днів тому +17

      same bro, upgraded from a 3600, 225+ 1% lows were not achievable on that 3600 is all I can say. I’ve been a happy gamer (:

    • @Nebujin383
      @Nebujin383 12 днів тому +6

      Great CPU, i just built a new rig too!

    • @PainX187
      @PainX187 12 днів тому +21

      wow what is with the prices those are crazy 14900K is 687$ 7800x3d 407$ here and that is with Eurotrash taxes those prices are gnarly

    • @TheZoenGaming
      @TheZoenGaming 12 днів тому +19

      It's insane to use Intel 14th Gen CPUs at all as a gamer. They have nothing that really compares pricewise.

  • @jayjwin1178
    @jayjwin1178 12 днів тому +1143

    when you get older, you will prefer efficiency on everything.

    • @SamBlips
      @SamBlips 12 днів тому +21

      Efficiency? Like saving on electricity bill? Is it thar bad going with 14900K? I wasn't sure hoe much money is lost from CPU to CPU =O

    • @johngrimm1103
      @johngrimm1103 12 днів тому +300

      Yep, once you pay your own power bills, power efficiency is king. :D

    • @troymatthews668
      @troymatthews668 12 днів тому +19

      Lol older people usually use capitals... kid

    • @shaquilleoseal1390
      @shaquilleoseal1390 12 днів тому +103

      ​​@@SamBlips assuming you're gaming for about 4 hours every day, 365 days a year, and your 14900K guzzles up on average 150W more than the 7800X3D, you'll be spending approximately 30 dollars more per year (going by
      the US average of 16.68 cents per kWh).
      Obviously there's a lot of variables (the games you play, for how long you play them, where you live) so adjust accordingly

    • @dare2liv_nlove
      @dare2liv_nlove 12 днів тому +108

      ​​​@@johngrimm1103 Not just that, for me it's mostly about longevity & stability, etc. With less heat output for example, cooling fans won't be pushing as hard, & there might be less overall chance for components to wear out within the system's life-time. Plus slower dust build-up & cleaning required, etc...

  • @InvntdXNEWROMAN
    @InvntdXNEWROMAN 12 днів тому +427

    I upgraded from a 10850k to a 7800X3D. My room is a lot cooler now after 4 hour gaming sessions and that's what has made me the happiest of all.

    • @Lucas-tg3hv
      @Lucas-tg3hv 12 днів тому +31

      So real

    • @45eno
      @45eno 12 днів тому +15

      Get a cheap box fan to exhaust the heat out the window. I have 5 modern AM5/AM4 builds in the office and even with only 2 or 3 of them gaming it heats up quick. Great for the winter.
      If you have horizontal style sliding windows you can likely stack 2 cheap $20 box fans in the window. Walmart has these cheap ones and the handle has a groove that notches with the window frame to hold it and then slide the window as closed as possible. Set them on low and crack your door and comfy gaming.

    • @devinfraserashpole4753
      @devinfraserashpole4753 12 днів тому +31

      @@45eno You would be in an oven if there were 2 or 3 Intel Machines gaming.

    • @christopherjames9843
      @christopherjames9843 12 днів тому +15

      @@45eno Lol, having to do that is ridiculous.

    • @OneDollaBill
      @OneDollaBill 12 днів тому +13

      ​@@45enowhy the fck you have 5 builds in same room 💀

  • @mycosys
    @mycosys 12 днів тому +701

    50% power for 2% performance? i see no reason TO do that, on the contrary

    • @doublecrossedswine112
      @doublecrossedswine112 12 днів тому +134

      One might want to melt the ice caps a little faster. Intel offers that.

    • @jordanhooper1527
      @jordanhooper1527 12 днів тому +21

      ​@@doublecrossedswine112Ah yes, let's bring about our demise earlier to enjoy their products for as short a time as possible 😂

    • @kymypy
      @kymypy 12 днів тому +14

      milking current architecture that reached its limits before they (if they are even able to) introduce something ground breaking

    • @logantca
      @logantca 12 днів тому +6

      The argument to run Extreme Profile would be: If you have a 14900k, you probably want every last drop of power, regardless of energy cost.

    • @doublecrossedswine112
      @doublecrossedswine112 12 днів тому +30

      @@logantca Those ice caps MUST be defeated!

  • @phm04
    @phm04 12 днів тому +164

    the 9800X3D is gonna be a monster

    • @benjaminoechsli1941
      @benjaminoechsli1941 12 днів тому +30

      Ryzen executives are saying the V-cache will be improved this coming gen. Excited to see what that means.

    • @BROCK_WARHAMMER
      @BROCK_WARHAMMER 12 днів тому +9

      I’m waiting to build a pc with the 9800x3d or 9950x3d and a 5090. Depending how much stronger they are from current gen. If only a 5% difference idk might just build out a current gen once the parts dip in costs

    • @tringuyen7519
      @tringuyen7519 12 днів тому +13

      @@BROCK_WARHAMMERRumor is the 9950X3D will have double the V-cache as the 7950X3D. It will be a beast!!!

    • @Healcraft
      @Healcraft 11 днів тому +1

      but remember the more amd btfo intel the more expensive they will charge. 9800x3d might be $1000

    • @tofu_golem
      @tofu_golem 11 днів тому

      It's going to be overkill. 😉

  • @almostmatt1tas
    @almostmatt1tas 12 днів тому +242

    Every time I watch a video like this, the difference in power consumption for gaming always leaves me shocked. Thanks for your effort Steve!

    • @walkir2662
      @walkir2662 12 днів тому +12

      But it gets always dismissed as "makes no monetary difference, LOL"

    • @chubbysumo2230
      @chubbysumo2230 12 днів тому

      @@walkir2662 people forget that they have to remove that heat from their space. I have 4 gaming PCs and 3 servers in my house. if they were all intel, I would be baking. The heat output of my 7800x3d is crazy low compared to its gaming performance.

    • @Nebujin383
      @Nebujin383 12 днів тому +1

      Well, dont forget... those are uncapped FPS. And they are absolutely useless in Single-Player Games in 95% of the cases. With variable refreshrate, you only need like 80 FPS capped for the games to be enjoyable, or ... you cap it @ 60 fps, while also disabling variable refreshrate & setting your monitors hertz down to 60. Then the 4080 Super turns out to be more power efficient than my older 3070 Ti for example, while delivering noticeable better lows.

    • @blkspade23
      @blkspade23 12 днів тому

      @@walkir2662 At least it could be partially justified if the higher consuming part offered the better performance, but more power to lose is just sad.

    • @I_LCARS_I
      @I_LCARS_I 11 днів тому +6

      @@Nebujin383Ah dude no. The higher the FPS the better. This is applicable to all games. Gaming at 60 FPS is just not acceptable anymore.

  • @MrMaxStalsky
    @MrMaxStalsky 12 днів тому +42

    Just bought 7800x3d. Such a beast!

    • @boffifis1
      @boffifis1 12 днів тому

      My 7950x3d is Ordered :) can't wait

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 11 днів тому

      👍

    • @tingo9988
      @tingo9988 День тому

      @@boffifis1 the 7 7800x3d will be better at gaming though unless you disable some cores in the 7950x3d

  • @michalsvihla1403
    @michalsvihla1403 12 днів тому +371

    At this point, I wouldn't consider a 14900k for anything. 7950x will be the same at productivity workloads and at higher resolutions get the same FPS in games while consuming less power and being more stable. 7800x3d will beat it in pure gaming.

    • @PowellCat745
      @PowellCat745 12 днів тому +52

      The 9950X is coming out next month which should destroy the 14900K by a wide margin in productivity benchmarks.

    • @thetheoryguy5544
      @thetheoryguy5544 12 днів тому +22

      @@PowellCat745 And Arrowlake is coming out to destroy them all so who cares?

    • @inGameweTrusted
      @inGameweTrusted 12 днів тому +15

      ​@@PowellCat745 15900K coming soon will destroy 9950X😂

    • @luminance69
      @luminance69 12 днів тому +72

      and surely intels next generation wont have any issues we are still seeing with this generation. surely

    • @PowellCat745
      @PowellCat745 12 днів тому +13

      @@thetheoryguy5544 and how do you know? lol

  • @eladioperez4438
    @eladioperez4438 12 днів тому +64

    That 7800X3D is a marvel of performance and energy efficiency, it performs much more than the 14900k in games while consuming only 1/3 of the energy

    • @Angel7black
      @Angel7black 12 днів тому +1

      You realize youre comparing a 8 core 16 thread to a 24 core 32 thread right? Its way less CPU, its gonna be way more efficient

    • @wastanley734
      @wastanley734 11 днів тому +16

      ​@@Angel7black intel with 8p cores and 16e cores. So the 1/3 power playing and getting worse results is massive. It's still an equal comparison. Cause gaming is going to use 8p cores vs amd 8 cores.

    • @K31TH3R
      @K31TH3R 11 днів тому

      @@Angel7black We're discussing games, thread count doesn't matter. But, even if you disable E-cores and turn the 14900KS into an 8c/16t chip, it's still significantly less efficient than a 7800X3D.
      But if you want to have an irrelevant discussion about thread counts and efficiency, I'm down. OC'd, a 14900KS draws more power than a last gen 64c/128t Threadripper 5995WX, but achieves only ~60% of the multithread performance. An OC'd 14900KS has similar power draw to a stock 96c/192t Threadripper 7995WX, but the 14900KS only achieves ~20% of the multithread performance.
      "But those chips cost 10x what a 14900KS does." Yup, but which Intel flagship would you prefer I compare with them? The 14900KS doesn't quite match a mid-tier Threadripper 3970X 32c/64t in multithread performance, and that chip consumes less power and is over 4 years old now.
      Concerning Intel, you should keep the topic on gaming, as games and single thread performance are the only areas where Intel can still compete.

    • @richard-davies
      @richard-davies 11 днів тому +15

      @@Angel7black Even with the 7950X3D its still using way less power, performs the same or occasionally ever so slightly quicker than the 7800X3D depending on the game, and its on par or faster in the most heavily multitasking programs compared to the 14900k with an actual full fat 16 cores/32 threads and not this efficiency crap, because it's certainly not efficient. All while sucking down significantly less power. Intel is doing exactly what it did in the P4 days, just up the clocks, give it as much power as it wants and to hell with the power efficiency and heat.

  • @ZZUtopia
    @ZZUtopia 12 днів тому +612

    This Intel mess is not inspiring confidence.

    • @RamonInNZ
      @RamonInNZ 12 днів тому +18

      Yeah jumped to AMD AM4 platform with Ryzen 1700X then 3700X and now 5700X will look at 7600/7700 in the new AM5 platform. Have built some Intel base machines for others and never been super happy with them.

    • @3R45U5
      @3R45U5 12 днів тому +20

      IT IS sad for Intel and worrying for the industry as whole.
      I really dont Like de facto monopolies in this realm.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 12 днів тому +19

      This could all be prevented if intel hadn't even bothered releasing a 14th gen i9. Let's be real here, it is the same thing as 13900K. But no, Intel had to make a fake generation lol

    • @HanmaHeiro
      @HanmaHeiro 12 днів тому +11

      I'd like to see userbenchmark's take on all of this. "Intel continues to improve by providing irresponsible customers who've run their CPUs at ridiculous power levels a more stable solution"

    • @mrhassell
      @mrhassell 12 днів тому +3

      It won't be repeated. Meteor lake wasn't the best architecture ever. Arrow Lake is quite a bit different and Lunar Lake, will potentially end AMD.

  • @bart_fox_hero2863
    @bart_fox_hero2863 12 днів тому +246

    So if I want to upgrade it’s about the same price to get a 7800 X3D and AM5 mobo as it is to get JUST the 14900k. Even though I’m already on LGA 1700… the incentive to switch to AM5 is massive.

    • @PrinzessinMaki
      @PrinzessinMaki 12 днів тому +35

      in germany 7800x3d + good b650 is 500 and 14900k 600, even worse here

    • @Soutar3DG
      @Soutar3DG 12 днів тому +21

      And considering AM5 looks like it'll support up to Zen 6 too so got plenty upgrade options down the line.

    • @FotonPC
      @FotonPC 12 днів тому +3

      7800x3d + b650m-h/m.2 + 32gb Ddr5 it's around 500$. For the same price you can buy 13700k kit, or if you want to get better mob for 7800x3d like b650 aorus elite ax, price of the kit is so close to 14700kf kit. But I would consider to buy 7500f, cpu which can paired with 4090 in 4k or 4070super in 2k, and 7500f kit on b650m-h/m.2+ costs around 320$ (when hexacores cpus will not be able to gaming, you can swith it to 7700/9700/7800x3d

    • @malcaniscsm5184
      @malcaniscsm5184 12 днів тому +4

      Hold out for Zen5 tbh

    • @Soutar3DG
      @Soutar3DG 12 днів тому +1

      @@malcaniscsm5184 Zen 5 X3D to be specific, regular Zen 5 will end up being like regular Zen 4 v Zen 3 X3D, similar-ish performance.

  • @TheHighborn
    @TheHighborn 12 днів тому +34

    11:52 I think it's worth to mention that in 2 of these cases, x3d could do more fps, so the GPU pulled more.

  • @R6ex
    @R6ex 12 днів тому +37

    Forget Arrow Lake. Just wait for the next X3D monster!

    • @benjaminoechsli1941
      @benjaminoechsli1941 12 днів тому +2

      Rumors are saying it'll be out by the end of the year. 💪

  • @DenJoost
    @DenJoost 12 днів тому +18

    So glad I switched to AMD 7800X3D.

  • @NCCountryLiving
    @NCCountryLiving 11 днів тому +12

    I just got a 7800X3D from Microcenter for $204 😮 with their grand opening sale for the Charlotte NC store when bundled with mobo and ram. And holy shiz its fast my I9-10850k is now a living room PC with a new Arc770!

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 11 днів тому +4

      That's a fckn steal! Also: Welcome to meaningful socket compatibility! The only socket I didn't upgrade on was AM3 because Bulldozer and Excavator sucked (and my Phenom X6 1100T Black Edition just kept trucking), but my AM4 board saw two CPUs (2700X and 5950X) and I suspect my AM5 board will most likely see three (currently on 7950X3D).

    • @AjaySensei
      @AjaySensei 11 днів тому +2

      $204??? WOW

    • @maanmahmoud4537
      @maanmahmoud4537 День тому

      Mobo model ? And ram Gb?

  • @kkrolik2106
    @kkrolik2106 12 днів тому +132

    Cannot wait for Review Ryzen 7 9800X3D and Ryzen 5 9600 when released :)

    • @RobBCactive
      @RobBCactive 12 днів тому +14

      It sounds like the 9950x3D might be interesting too, for anyone with workloads with large working sets.

    • @1Grainer1
      @1Grainer1 12 днів тому +5

      ryzen 9600 with 5.7ghz OC looks insane

    • @jojobetzler3732
      @jojobetzler3732 12 днів тому +4

      @@RobBCactive If AMD is able to resolve their problems with parking and adressing the cores the x950x3D could be interessting, but right now the x950x non 3D is overall the better gaming cpu.

    • @The0Gizmo
      @The0Gizmo 12 днів тому +14

      @@jojobetzler3732 It's rumored the 9950x3d will be both chiplets with v-cache instead of just one on the 7950x3d. Being all 16 cores with v-cache should eliminate scheduling issues.

    • @dd-qz2rh
      @dd-qz2rh 12 днів тому +7

      @@jojobetzler3732 there are no issues with latest chipset drivers for like I dunno at least a year already. You've got outdated info.

  • @richarddortch6122
    @richarddortch6122 12 днів тому +12

    I'd like to see a 14900k restricted to the power draw of a 7800x3d.
    Calculating Performance/W is one thing, but actually seeing it would be really interesting.

  • @Riyozsu
    @Riyozsu 12 днів тому +58

    9800x3d will repeat history again. At worst same performance as i9 with half the price and efficiency and at best 30% faster performance.

    • @cuteAvancer
      @cuteAvancer 12 днів тому +5

      They're actually designing it a bit differently instead of just dumping it full of V-Cache lol. Hopefully, we can pick out the higher chips like 9900x3Ds if they have it on all 8 cores (or more lol.)
      The 9800x3D will probably be the next powerhouse for money efficiency but perhaps the flagships might outclass it and have good productivity performance without compromise lol

    • @Dexion845
      @Dexion845 12 днів тому

      indeed, if we can get the IPC of the 7700X or better and Tier1 gaming performance with amazing efficiency, the 9800X3D looks like a legend in the making.

    • @MrHav1k
      @MrHav1k 11 днів тому +2

      Intel will be on a superior node next generation. Do not expect a repeat of this gen.

    • @maze4184
      @maze4184 11 днів тому +3

      @@MrHav1k you mean the next i9 wont draw 300 watts? xD

    • @ovingoonesekera8938
      @ovingoonesekera8938 День тому

      ​@@maze4184they're gonna switch to tiled next year too.But rumours they're gonna use a stacked tile design.Something like the 3d V-Cache tile but for all the tiles instead.So at worst im guessed they'd be on par and the same powerdraw too.

  • @tk72231968
    @tk72231968 12 днів тому +28

    I just did a new build(due to my power supply killing my mb & gpu). My last 3 builds(over 10 years) have all been Intel because I had stability issues with AMD. Now, for the very reason I left AMD, I've left Intel and gone to a 7800x3d build. I had also been doing water cooling because of the heat generated. Now I've gone back to air cooling with the lower power demand and temps that the AMD has. I was able to save enough on a MB/CPU combo, and a $40 Assassin 120SE air cooler- that I was able to afford a 4080 super. I have run 3dMark benchmarks, stress test, and played a few games(3440x1440 144mhz) and my max cpu temp has been 76c with all stock settings...I'm very happy with the cost to performance.

    • @Typheriaa
      @Typheriaa 12 днів тому

      oooof what type power supply did you dirty like that?

    • @tommypearson9260
      @tommypearson9260 12 днів тому

      That's pretty warm I using a tuned 14900k 5.8Ghz highest Temps i see is 68c it's how you tune it and hardware you use Intel doesn't run hot if you don't be cheap on the right parts I'm not even using exotic cooling.

    • @puffyips
      @puffyips 12 днів тому

      @@tommypearson9260mobo vrms as well

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 11 днів тому

      🙌

    • @prdx8543
      @prdx8543 9 днів тому

      Just skip the GPU. You need an insanely stable RAM to make AMD stable.

  • @fracturedlife1393
    @fracturedlife1393 12 днів тому +10

    when you see the power consumption its wild considering how often the x3d is running the GPU harder.
    intel dropping multi threading from pCores hasn't been explained like its been done for power consumption reasons either. hopefully the eCores have improved their efficiency a lot.

  • @d4nith3
    @d4nith3 12 днів тому +20

    I9 14900K= 250W
    R7 7800X3D= 75W

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 11 днів тому +6

      Also the 14900K is 10% slower but cost 220€ more.

  • @Stevenx01
    @Stevenx01 11 днів тому +1

    Hardware Unboxed always on point. Excellent work!

  • @l4m41987
    @l4m41987 12 днів тому +1

    thanks for retesting!

  • @Mike_B622
    @Mike_B622 11 днів тому +7

    Intel Fan Boys will defend Intel's ridiculously absurd CPU power usage to the death.

  • @kara2019
    @kara2019 12 днів тому +42

    got my 7800x3d a week ago paired with a 4080 super and it's a killer!

    • @robertjif6337
      @robertjif6337 12 днів тому +1

      Omg same lol

    • @shoobadoo123
      @shoobadoo123 12 днів тому +3

      You got OF?

    • @Simon_Denmark
      @Simon_Denmark 12 днів тому +3

      I thought that this would 100 % be a bot comment with this thirst bait profile picture. Quite surprised.

    • @kara2019
      @kara2019 12 днів тому +1

      @@Simon_Denmark LOL

    • @johnvolt2411
      @johnvolt2411 12 днів тому +6

      noooooooooooo you cant have fun using amd cpu you must use intel cpu

  • @kdw75
    @kdw75 10 днів тому +1

    This needs to be done. THANK YOU!

  • @ScavengerFX
    @ScavengerFX 12 днів тому +1

    I was waiting for this.

  • @ikemyrad
    @ikemyrad 12 днів тому +22

    I Undervolted my 7800X3D and it uses at max now 78W, much less while actually gaming.
    Imo Intel is not saying out loud that you need to lower the PL1 and PL2 because they would lose even more to amd in the gaming sector.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT 12 днів тому +3

      a 14700KF use only 80w max when gaming, what are you talking about ?

    • @Duuh_Eazy
      @Duuh_Eazy 12 днів тому +23

      @@AquilaeYT you need to learn to read.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT 12 днів тому

      @@Duuh_Eazy I don't see any relation with my comment and yours.
      Re-read my comment.

    • @blkspade23
      @blkspade23 12 днів тому +8

      @@AquilaeYT He's clearly saying his 7800X3D is 78W at full load (not gaming), the actual gaming consumption isn't using that much.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT 12 днів тому

      @@blkspade23 Where I talk about AMD ?
      Like other person, re-read.

  • @teddp
    @teddp 12 днів тому +5

    Intel is to blame here. In order to win the performance crown it let the board partners run wild with the power limits. It's Intel's fault so it should be providing replacement CPUs for those customers that suffer from CPU degradation.

  • @cocosloan3748
    @cocosloan3748 12 днів тому +1

    Now thats content . Put in some work ! GJ 👍

  • @crashbug4343
    @crashbug4343 12 днів тому +1

    Appreciate the excellent game selection of all modern and new games!!

  • @AtomaJava
    @AtomaJava 12 днів тому +14

    My 7800x3d comes in today! Moving on from a 12400f. Never in my life would I thought Id be switching to AMD, my first build was 12 years ago and have always used Intel. 7800x3d is just to damn good of a chip to pass on

    • @pogtuber5146
      @pogtuber5146 11 днів тому +3

      I switched to AMD when the 5600X came out. After seeing how good the 3600 held up and the prices for their gaming performance AND energy efficiency, it became really obvious that AMD was back to winning (at least for gaming).

    • @DamnPictures
      @DamnPictures 11 днів тому

      I switched to AMD when K6-2 came out.

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 11 днів тому

      👍

  • @guildpilotone
    @guildpilotone 12 днів тому +8

    Now I hear that Intel says the CPUs have a microcode error, fixable by a BIOS update. The cynic in me says the code change will simply throttle the CPU.

  • @ShufflerBluey
    @ShufflerBluey 8 днів тому +2

    You guys should totally do a video showing the advantages of undervolts on the 7800x3d!

  • @WhiteNinjainblack
    @WhiteNinjainblack 3 дні тому

    Qudos to you you Steve and the rest of the team. 😊

  • @davidalgobiagonzalez4471
    @davidalgobiagonzalez4471 12 днів тому +4

    Back to you Steve! Excellent comparing video 👍🧐

  • @neoaliens8635
    @neoaliens8635 12 днів тому +6

    Amazing work Steve, just like another Steve. And I've come to watch your video fast!

  • @SomeGuyInBrisVegas
    @SomeGuyInBrisVegas 11 днів тому +1

    I greatly appreciate the structural framework of your videos. I appreciate the time and effor that goes into them. Bu I must confess, in most cases I simply skip to the final thoughts.

  • @johnpaulbacon8320
    @johnpaulbacon8320 10 днів тому

    Nice comparison video.

  • @MinishMan
    @MinishMan 12 днів тому +64

    Intel vs Ryzen at gaming, a short history:
    Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series - Intel clearly better, no sweat. AMD sells very cheaply to compensate
    Ryzen 3000 series - AMD making gains but Intel still comfortable, chugging away at 10nm+++
    Ryzen 5000 series - AMD reaches gaming parity, Intel pushes a lot more power through their chips to keep up or slightly edge ahead
    Ryzen 5000 series 3D V-Cache and 7000 series - AMD now significantly ahead. Intel has to push obscene amounts of power through their chips to keep up
    Ryzen 7000 series 3D V-Cache - AMD so far ahead that Intel decide to risk long term silicone degradation, pushing hundreds more Watts through their chips that cost 80% more money just to lose by a few % in benchmarks
    Ryzen 9000 series - I hope Intel has been working on something special....

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 12 днів тому +6

      I wouldn't say Intel pushed more watts through the CPUs, that's the MB manufacturers doing that.
      However Intel surely had no problem with the manufacturers selling the motherboards with default open power limits, as most hardware youtubers test "as delivered", hence Intel surely was not against MB manufacturers not going along with their power limits, on the contrary.

    • @blkspade23
      @blkspade23 12 днів тому +4

      @@johnscaramis2515 No its both. Mobos went in to the overkill territory, but even with Intel's more efficient profile they're still consuming 100W more while still losing.

    • @johnscaramis2515
      @johnscaramis2515 12 днів тому

      @@blkspade23 I would assume that Intel spec'ed their CPUs in a way to maximize performance by running at their vomit limit, but not beyond. So even with the high power draw, they would not have a technical issue.
      And I'm fully in line with you: rising power draw to catch up with AMD without enforcing guard rails (i.e. enforcing their power limits as default) was a big mistake.
      And I don't think Intel will be able to close up with 15th gen. Although with their Foveros technology, they could introduce a cache tile

    • @fleurdewin7958
      @fleurdewin7958 12 днів тому +4

      Ryzen 3000 series, Intel's competing CPU flagship was the 9900K , that is on 14nm . Only 12th Intel has 10nm. AMD was eating away at Intel's HEDT market because of the R9 3900X and 3950X . Intel non HEDT platform maxes out at 8 core at the time.

    • @musashigundoh
      @musashigundoh 11 днів тому +1

      Ryzen 9000 series - Intel fabs throw in the towel and Intel switches to the same TSMC production as AMD. From this point on there won't be any big differences between the two, no matter how they try.

  • @MarioCRO
    @MarioCRO 12 днів тому +34

    Thank you HWUB for using the 7800X3D instead of 7950X3D, giving even better showing for AMD since 7800X3D is totally different price range than 14900K, for gaming in particular. Such value for gaming hasn't been seen until AMD introduced their X3D lineup back in the day... Not even regarding these updated results with performance profiles for Intel, the 7800X3D is an absolute gaming beast.

    • @Anonomobot
      @Anonomobot 12 днів тому +2

      I have a 7800x3D + 4070 Super (own build) combo, and its an absolute gaming beast, I wouldn't touch intel ATM.

    • @MarioCRO
      @MarioCRO 12 днів тому +3

      @@Anonomobot I use 7800X3D with 7900XTX, even though my GPU uses a bit more power than I would like, the price/performance is still good and I can play anything.

    • @q1337
      @q1337 12 днів тому +1

      @@MarioCRO jel sve dobro sa 7900xtx, ikakvih problema sa driverima ili igrama?

    • @MarioCRO
      @MarioCRO 12 днів тому +1

      @@q1337 sve radi super, graficka je top. Imam Sapohirku Pulse.

    • @Anonomobot
      @Anonomobot 11 днів тому

      @@MarioCRO Now that is a next level beast

  • @kevincalderon28
    @kevincalderon28 12 днів тому +2

    I just switched from 5600x to 7800x3d. Used to get around 150 fps on warzone big map and now its pegged at 240fps which is my monitor's capacity. So glad I switched. My 6800xt taichi will be the next thing I upgrade depending on what the new cards can do.

  • @gnolygnolls9816
    @gnolygnolls9816 12 днів тому +2

    Thank you for testing 4k! I know it won't show a huge difference but it's a great real world test for those of us who do game in 4k.

  • @ashamahee
    @ashamahee 12 днів тому +3

    Please consider adding X4 foundations to your tests, it would be super interesting to see how cpus manage heavy games like that

  • @thesongoflunch
    @thesongoflunch 12 днів тому +58

    But where is the 5800x3d in all of this?

    • @davefinfrock3324
      @davefinfrock3324 12 днів тому +3

      Even more efficient and nipping on the heels of all this in gaming. Productivity is a somewhat different matter, but it's a gaming CPU so your choice there is clear. Prices are going up on the older CPU, however, so the 7800X3D just looks better and better--especially as DDR4 becomes more scarce as time goes on.

    • @thomaslayman9487
      @thomaslayman9487 12 днів тому +17

      yeah i can't believe steve left out the 5800x3d when it's clearly so relevant to this (and every!) discussion!!

    • @BlackJesus8463
      @BlackJesus8463 12 днів тому +11

      Its 7600 performance, not even close to 7800X3D.

    • @davefinfrock3324
      @davefinfrock3324 12 днів тому +1

      @@BlackJesus8463 Depends. The 7600 has better single threaded performance, but if you leverage the cache (which means games), then the 5800 runs off with things. The 7600K is a helluva budget chip, though. If it hadn't been for DD5 prices, this machine I'm typing on now probably would have been a 7600.

    • @LeLe-pm2pr
      @LeLe-pm2pr 12 днів тому +5

      @@davefinfrock3324 r5 7600, not the old 7600k
      in gaming, on average, 7600 = 5800x3d, and the latter is less efficient, drawing about 100w
      because of platform costs, a 7600 with mobo and ram costs as much as a 5800x3d with mobo and ram, so the 7600 is overall the better option

  • @StacyClouds
    @StacyClouds 11 днів тому +1

    When building earlier this year I went the 7800X3D route - it seemed more performant, used way less power, was simple to cool and less than half the price of the intel chip where I live. It was a no brainier! Watching this makes me happy I went the way I did 😊

  • @dachness
    @dachness 12 днів тому

    What PBO settings were used for X3D? I'd like to see a comparison of -20 Curve Optimizer.

  • @SpartanDiab
    @SpartanDiab 12 днів тому +3

    I've never felt good about cpu's using 250+ watt to run, it's one reason why I chose to go with the ryzen 7900 because it's rather great for my needs and sips power, it's nice to have a small air cooler and not worry about it.

    • @BlackJesus8463
      @BlackJesus8463 12 днів тому +1

      My 65w cpu does fine but its old and I play 1440p. I couldn't imagine stacking the heat of a 14900 with a 4090 in an enclosed case.

  • @jordanhooper1527
    @jordanhooper1527 12 днів тому +5

    "no reason not use the extreme profile" - you mean no reason TO use the extreme profile?
    Why burn an extra 50-100w for no discernable difference

    • @BlackJesus8463
      @BlackJesus8463 12 днів тому +1

      Why buy a K when the non-k does the same thing?

    • @jordanhooper1527
      @jordanhooper1527 12 днів тому +1

      @@BlackJesus8463 why buy Intel for gaming? Amd is clearly superior for less money

    • @stevanko1
      @stevanko1 11 днів тому +1

      What do you mean no discernible reason? He said the performance dipped up to 15%

  • @jessedavid7932
    @jessedavid7932 12 днів тому

    O melhor canal de hardware do mundo, amo esse canal 🇧🇷

  • @AB-rq1rl
    @AB-rq1rl 11 днів тому

    Great video. Any reason why you use f1 in your benchmarks? Any chance you could use iRacing? Id bet it has more users and they would all be very interested in performance, more so than any f1 user.

  • @100500daniel
    @100500daniel 12 днів тому +48

    7800x3d is 200$ cheaper, can run well on cheap boards, and requires cheaper cooling solution.
    That's honestly it's biggest advantages, even if it was 5% slower than the 14900K it'd still be worth it.
    For example, if you want a decent 14900K build, you need;
    250~$ motherboard at least, with good VRMs and good power delivery.
    6400-7200 mhz or better ram, which is at least 130+$ for 32gigs, otherwise you're just paying for a better memory controller without utilizing it.
    and at the very least a 100+$ AIO, You could also buy a large dual tower cooler but it might be a chore during the summer.
    You might also need a larger PSU, since an 800w PSU with a 14900K&4090 might not cut it,
    whereas you could get away with a 4090 on a 800w PSU when your CPU only draws 80w at most.
    Also the 14900K dumps a lot of heat, so you gotta make sure you have a larger case with good airflow, meaning ITX cases pretty much go out the window, even if you could cool a 14900K well enough with a cooler small enough to fit inside an ITX case, the case temps will suck and you'll need to lower the power profile so much you might as well have bought a 13700K.

    • @Mason_bluegrass
      @Mason_bluegrass 12 днів тому +9

      Wow the first time i see someone that actualy knows what hes talking about you are right at everypoint 👑

    • @Traumatree
      @Traumatree 12 днів тому +1

      Slower in what? Not in games as this video just showed it was the fastest.

    • @Zarkil
      @Zarkil 12 днів тому +14

      ​@@TraumatreeThe way he worded it I believe he's saying that even if it was slower it would still be worth it. I don't think he's saying he believes it is slower just using that to point out how much of a value it is since it's also faster.

    • @InnocentiusLacrimosa
      @InnocentiusLacrimosa 12 днів тому +1

      14900k can be cooled with air coolers for gaming workloads.

    • @AquilaeYT
      @AquilaeYT 12 днів тому +3

      1. 7800x3D NEED a good cooling solution
      2. You didn't need 250$ motherboard for a 14900k
      3. You doesn't need 7200mhz ram
      4. You need a huge PSU also because of GPU
      I have the 7800x3D and yes, I9 should not exist when we talk about gaming.

  • @randalldraco3822
    @randalldraco3822 12 днів тому +37

    TLDW - just buy 7800X3D for top performance.

    • @insector2093
      @insector2093 12 днів тому +1

      *Almost top performance, a i9 or ryzen 7700x will be faster with ram speeds above 7800mhz.
      if you tune the memory the lead will become even bigger but at what cost.

    • @solaireastora5394
      @solaireastora5394 12 днів тому +9

      ​@@insector2093that's for hard tuners though, for plug and play 7800x3d is champ

    • @ghostlyinterceptor7756
      @ghostlyinterceptor7756 12 днів тому

      @@insector2093 a i9 14900K/KS (binned memory controller) the only upside of it is ddr5 8000MHZ and all that gives is better 0.1% lows in some games but if u dont tune ur ram and bin ur cpu there is legit no reason to go intel...

    • @ghostlyinterceptor7756
      @ghostlyinterceptor7756 12 днів тому +1

      @@insector2093 + ryzen is limited by its Infinity fabric so running 7600/7800mhz is going to reach the same performance as if you would run 6200mhz tight timings

    • @jeh657
      @jeh657 12 днів тому +1

      ​@@insector2093 just run LIQUID NITROGEN on my i9 it beat x3D in the dust never been happy running mine at 8 ghz 24/7.

  • @myke1380
    @myke1380 12 днів тому

    thanks steve!

  • @gosuprime
    @gosuprime 12 днів тому +2

    The most impressive thing about the 7800x3D isn't even the performance. It's the efficiency. You don't even need a strong cooler! I still find it hard to believe that in the most CPU demanding games, it's only pulling 30-40 watts. All while outperforming Intels pulling 200+ watts. I thought Alder Lake 12th gen Intels were decent at the time, but once DDR5 prices settled down, and there was a sale on the 7800x3D and b650 boards, it was too good of a deal to ignore.

  • @stefensmith9522
    @stefensmith9522 11 днів тому +3

    AMD coming in STRONG at nearly half the cost and a tier down (Ryzen 7 vs Intel i9 series), how can any " influencer " recommend Intel with such a difference?

  • @JarrodsTech
    @JarrodsTech 12 днів тому +35

    Glad my 13900K has been rock solid at full power since the build we did :)

    • @vMaxHeadroom
      @vMaxHeadroom 12 днів тому +5

      Same here on my 14900K which I undervolted immediatly when I say the motherboard auto vcore settings which were absurd out of the box. Have mine runniing an all core 5.6GHz P core and 4.4Ghz E core with an adaptive plus negative offset hitting 41K on Cinebench R23 and mid 80's C temps at max though I have delidded! Use it for encoding, rendering where it really comes into it's own and for gaming it does the job as well as anything...

    • @abaj006
      @abaj006 12 днів тому +2

      I have read that some users run Cinebench R23 several times and then their 14900k becomes unstable (on the old unlimited power profiles). Possibly silicon degradation occurring significantly faster than expected.

    • @FotonPC
      @FotonPC 12 днів тому

      ​@@abaj006Asus boards often overclock the processor out of the box, which it is not given. Well, there is just a defect, as I heard under warranty, this is returned

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 12 днів тому

      Full power sounds like a lot

    • @shaynegadsden
      @shaynegadsden 12 днів тому

      Full power is questionable because 1 what is full power on your system vs others and 2 how often do you really load up your cpu that it pulls the max power allowed

  • @moliii8809
    @moliii8809 11 днів тому +1

    Steve - thanks for this much appreciated comparison. I noticed that at 4K, performance across all 3 (7800X3d, 14900k performance & extreme profiles) is more or less the same in nearly all cases. Unfortunately you only show the power usage stats at 1080p but I'd be very interested to see this at 4K? If the 7800x3d maintains the same material power efficiency advantage over the 14900K at 4K resolution as well then that would be useful to know and at least for me fully confirm your conclusion.

  • @docang9317
    @docang9317 12 днів тому

    Yo.. Steve, new lens? Why is it sharper?

  • @Mcnooblet
    @Mcnooblet 12 днів тому +6

    I have my 13900k capped right now on the cache core current originally through limiting ICCMax to 328a-400a which anything under 400a lead to a current throttle. When I was current throttled, my 13900 wasn't using more than 200w. It did want to use 253w, problem was it sometimes wanted to use more than that , and for me at 253w, a 400a cache current is perfect and lead to a 0% throttle (current EDP throttle). Problem becomes, when the CPU attempts to use more than 253w, which in turn wants to use more than 400a, and Intel specifically said "core current NOT TO EXCEED 400a". They seem to be linked, if I lower my core cache current from 400a to say 360w, my max wattage used for my 13900k under full load will fall from 253w max to 200w max telling me I have a EDP current throttle. While I'm using 2 current protections instead right now through my Gigabyte motherboard with 253w/253/400w manual settings, I don't even get above 160w which I'm fine with for summer time but still, WTF? I have a Corsair 7000D with a 420mm AIO, I should be able to run at the extreme profile. Luckily now though at 160w, none of my cores even go above 75 C under heavy load but at least it is stable.
    Problem with these 13900k CPUs is actually trying to use all 24 cores that you paid for when it really needs all that power to push each core and it goes over 253w/400a (should had never been allowed to exceed this and damage the silicon [400a]).​ In my case it was fine while I was gaming since not all 24 cores are even close to being used. When I did compression/decompression, it used 100%, I crashed, and now I can't even run 400a completely stable even with thermal headroom for it. This means I'm unable to even reach 100 C on a core before crashing, and it may occur for me between 85 C and 100 C before I even have a thermal throttle during all core work loads. That sucks.
    I want to point out the Gigabyte has an option to show "biscuits" in which I've heard from numerous users is basically the quality of your silicon. I started out at 91 biscuits, looked it up because I never heard of biscuits and thought what the heck is that? Well now I'm currently at 89 biscuits since the crashes over the year before finding out it was the 13900k the whole time. I thought it was my RAM 6400 DDR5 since it wouldn't boot after that through XMP without changing my saved profile through my z790 Auros Elite AX and it would only allow me to boot resetting everything back to stock.
    Given I have to throttle my own CPU at this point, Gigabyte still doesn't have a non beta BIOS to fix this issue (which I'm hoping drops and I can run the extreme profile that I should be able to do because I have the thermal headroom for), I'm about tired of this mess and the fact they are indicating Intel will just point the finger at me when this whole thing is BS, I didn't overclock mine I just wanted the performance everyone said my 13900k would have and now I have a lesser 13900k. I just want the 253w/253/400a without crashing at heavy loads, thats it, nothing more. To note, yeah this is my first PC built in over a decade so I've always liked Intel. While I love every other part of my PC, the 4090 is absolutely amazing, everything is good. Looks like I'll be going with AMD CPUs from here on out though, I regret purchasing the 13900k.

  • @christianschmidt6110
    @christianschmidt6110 12 днів тому +8

    Thank you for including the 4k results!

    • @BlackJesus8463
      @BlackJesus8463 12 днів тому

      They always include 4k.

    • @christianschmidt6110
      @christianschmidt6110 12 днів тому

      @@BlackJesus8463 No. In the past, they didn't always include the 4k data when testing CPUs.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 11 днів тому

      But... you already knew the results: Identical performance with new-ish titles that saturates the 4090 completely, and the spread opens up the older the game is.

    • @christianschmidt6110
      @christianschmidt6110 11 днів тому

      @@andersjjensen I want to thank them in general because I hope they will also do this with newer CPUs once they are being released and tested here.

  • @chico_fiesta
    @chico_fiesta 11 днів тому

    Another great video Steve but... Pls do the poled video about b650 mobos before x870 boards come out so it will not get shut down before its even out.

  • @MadsonOnTheWeb
    @MadsonOnTheWeb 11 днів тому

    Thanks Steve

  • @ryanze26
    @ryanze26 12 днів тому +50

    amd is so efficient that intel need to disguise as room heater to match it, but still can't

    • @KoItai1
      @KoItai1 12 днів тому +6

      U know that amd runs hotter than intel in gaming, right ? Intel runs hotter in cinebench simply because it has 3x cores, so ofc the powerconsumption will be higher too, but gaming is a different story, x3d s are extremely hot, while even an i9 stays at 40-50 degrees in gaming

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 12 днів тому +25

      @@KoItai1 Intel simply consumes far more energy and outputs far more heat than AMD.
      AMD temps are higher due to slower heat dispersion, but it still outputs far less total heat than Intel.

    • @yuan.pingchen3056
      @yuan.pingchen3056 12 днів тому +1

      The room heater is absolutely useful, I don't care the exhaust air of water cooler warms my feet in the winter, but !! it's summer now.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 12 днів тому +9

      ​​@@KoItai1 "X 3Ds run extremely hot" no they don't lol, 80 C isn't hot. Besides if they were hot, they'd be thermal throttling or downclocking but they aren't.
      14900K may low average temperature but that's only because while gaming, 70-75% of cores don't do anything. Look at the temperatures of the P cores, I bet they'll be hotter than X3D.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 12 днів тому +2

      ​@@KoItai1 also who cares if it runs hotter as long it performs better ? You're saving still money on power supply, power bills, motherboards power stages and VRM etc.

  • @madant7777
    @madant7777 12 днів тому +8

    I am very content with my 7800X3D, fast and not running hot.

  • @infiniteagony5495
    @infiniteagony5495 11 днів тому

    Steve thank you so much for this video this is exactly what I was looking for.
    P.S.: Would you do same video for 9800 x3D and 15900k ?

  • @SaiyanJin85
    @SaiyanJin85 12 днів тому +1

    Nice review,, just what I needed! You should throw Star citizen in there, it uses a lot of CPU

    • @rrekki9320
      @rrekki9320 12 днів тому +1

      That poor Intel chip :D
      350+W draw xD

  • @MrPrankUser
    @MrPrankUser 10 днів тому +4

    Intel is a mess nowdays

  • @The_Noticer.
    @The_Noticer. 12 днів тому +4

    Hey Steve, I would argue that Horizon Forbidden West can be CPU demanding. In cities like "The bulwark" or "Fleet's End".
    Maybe change the testing location, if you wan to keep the game in the suite. Pretty please? :)

    • @Hardwareunboxed
      @Hardwareunboxed  12 днів тому +11

      Will do. Thanks

    • @The_Noticer.
      @The_Noticer. 12 днів тому +5

      @@Hardwareunboxed If you need a savegame, maybe I can send you one somehow. Takes quite a while to get to fleet's end.

  • @dava00007
    @dava00007 10 днів тому +1

    I have a 7950x and run it on the 105 w profile, amazing... thermals under control, great speed and silence!

  • @shahrukhwolfmann6824
    @shahrukhwolfmann6824 11 днів тому +2

    Truly disruptive performance indeed. Intel can't handle the 7800X3D even with the 7200 CL34 memory. Thank you so much Steve. Thumbs up!
    Now, Arrow Lake vs 9800X3D, this will be good.

  • @Dazzxp
    @Dazzxp 12 днів тому +7

    Just wondering if you are using the 'optimised' -30 offset for the Ryzen? Cause you lose no performance if anything you get better multicore and better sustained single core performance along with reduced power consumption by a decent amount on top of what it already is.

    • @BlackJesus8463
      @BlackJesus8463 12 днів тому +1

      nerd

    • @boffifis1
      @boffifis1 12 днів тому +6

      @@BlackJesus8463 This is a nerd channel....

    • @tollph3314
      @tollph3314 12 днів тому +1

      you can use that with pretty much any ryzen since 5xxx series right ? iam using pbo-28 on all cores on 5600 while boosting up to 4700Ghz on single core ,stock was 4450mhz + if i run all single core workloads like cinebench by boost on all cores are 200mhz higher from stock setting ,you can basically tuned it for better performance or same performance a bit better boost and better power consumption overall any way you like for free and its as simple as it could be really

  • @AndyViant
    @AndyViant 12 днів тому +5

    Is it even worth comparing a 14900k with an 11900K at this point?

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 12 днів тому +5

      Probably not, 11900K was much worse.

    • @sirmonkey1985
      @sirmonkey1985 12 днів тому +2

      11900k was overall worse than the 10900k.

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 12 днів тому +1

      @@sirmonkey1985 said by a 10900k owner with copium or a sh*t motherboard.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen 11 днів тому +2

      @@AndyViant Go back and watch HUBs or GNs review of the 11900k then. It has two fewer cores and the new cores (on the same old node) don't make up for it in all situations. The 11900k gains a bit in productivity but loses a bit in gaming, and the efficiency is about on par. Both channels were left with "Why?" as their main conclusion.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 8 днів тому

      @@AndyViant Said by an 11900K owner who can't cope up with the fact that he bought the WORST processor ever made in recent history. I am assuming here that you are not broke enough to actually own that peice of garbage otherwise I see no reason for a mentally sane person to get so triggered by a comment about 2 processors from the SAME brand. Lmao the insecurities

  • @frankhuurman3955
    @frankhuurman3955 12 днів тому

    I'd really love some Framework laptop reviews and benchmarks when the new Intel Ultra versions launch in August.
    Power usage & iGPU performance difference in games between the 7840U and Ultra 7 155H for example :)

  • @Rachit0904
    @Rachit0904 9 днів тому

    What is the productivity performance like? The previous video had included Cinebench scores

  • @winj3r
    @winj3r 12 днів тому +11

    Considering that the Performance profile can save 100-150W, while losing around 5% on average, this makes it the best choice for most people.

    • @Hardwareunboxed
      @Hardwareunboxed  12 днів тому +33

      Sadly for Intel it just makes Zen 4 look more attractive.

  • @robertlewis8608
    @robertlewis8608 12 днів тому +4

    Do not use the baseline profiles Performance or Extreme. If you want to do nothing and not do enthusiast stuff get the 7800x3d it just works out of the box. Now if you want intel if you are willing to do enthusiast stuff first put on a correction bracket on your 14900k if you want to make your life easier get yourself a torque screwdriver that can go down to at least .05 nm lowest cost for a good one with a certification is around 70-90 dollars. Get a Thermal Grizzly 13th-14th gen contact frame and set the torque to .06nm. This will ensure you are not fighting with your ram having to tweak that as well with a correction bracket maybe not just right and as close the abysmal flawed intel LGA1700 cpu mounting pressure that is about the only thing right for DDR5 ram. Make sure you have the right board for your ram that is important from 7200mhz cl34-8200mhz cl38+, Next you can select the let the bios optimize, next if your cpu is not the greatest of quality on the silicon lottery limit cores 4 and 5 to a multiplier of 57"5.7ghz", 6ghz+ takes a lot of core voltage and if your chip is not a lottery performance will suffer. Next you will have to look at your VT curves in the bios below 5.6ghz you can leave at auto, I like to with a negative offset on 5.6ghz to every mode of turbo up to 6ghz of .5, this is where a no one size fits all as each board is different. You will need to adjust each state of turbo and after you do save and exit the bios go into windows then run 3DMARK timespy the cpu test alone and will need to do 6-12 runs to sort of get an average and account for error, then keep going into the bios, weaking the .5X on each level of turbo until you find the sweet spot for the cpu that will greatly increase your performance better than you could ever get out of box and slapping the cpu also getting the performance back those baseline profiles butcher because they both still pump too much VID/Vcore into your cpu heat is not your friend, more voltage is not always better. 7200mhz cl34 you should see a cpu score of around 25k consistently, 7600mhz about 26.5-26.9, 8000mhz depending on how well you are dialed in around 26.9-27.5k. 8200mhz is around 27.Xk. Once you do that you will get the best 1% lows again with the lowest frametime MS, you will notice your system is a lot snappier giving you the best possible gaming experience possible.
    Kind of shake my head at all of you reviewers not properly educating your audience treating them like they are clueless and not able to self-tune. It's not just you, it's a lot of you I miss the days when tech reviewers actually took the time to educate their audience properly sadly those days seem to be over for the most part and there is like under a 1% group of reviewers that actually does that some will not tell you how because well that is their livelihoods. Does it take extra work? Yup but if you are going to show off enthusiast hardware you may want to do enthusiast stuff, or buy enthusiast grade hardware be willing to do enthusiast level stuff.
    Also will add the guidelines are because each chip and board are different, there is a no one size fits all, there is a set of numbers it will just work, it may not work the way you want it to nor perform the way you want it to. That is sort of up to the end user, not even the motherboard manufacturer can do that especially on intel. Intel needs to fix the LGA1700 mounting bracket that is the first thing that needs to happen to fix the lid bow, no bios or microcode will fix that. At this point it is up to the end user, intel is hoping this just goes away as they abandon LGA1700.

    • @K31TH3R
      @K31TH3R 12 днів тому +8

      Look friend, I've been overclocking for over 20 years, even venturing into LN2 a few times, so I get it, and I appreciate you making the effort to inform people on what it takes to make these chips sing. But the reality is that Intel has a bad product right now, even if you make the absurd effort spending the hours upon hours tweaking and stability testing required to squeeze out a negligible win over X3D parts, we both know if that same effort was required to get similar performance out of AMD at the same power consumption as Intel CPUs, Intel enthusiasts would rightly laugh them out of the room.
      If you are just gaming, grab a 6000MHz DDR5 kit and a 7800X3D, enable EXPO and you're done. You'll get a range of 90-105% of the performance in games of an expertly tuned Intel chip with 2% of the effort required, with much lower entry cost and power consumption figures. Even as someone who loves OC'ing, the reason I OC is to get everything out of my money, and the extra cost for a high binned DDR5 kit and a 14900K/KS required to best the X3D just makes the Intel platform look like a joke.
      If you are running productivity workloads, especially if that's your livelihood, you care equally about stability and performance, you aren't running bleeding edge OCs, and you should be running Threadripper. At which point Intel doesn't even enter the conversation, as an OC'd 14900KS has roughly 40% lower multithread performance than a midtier Threadripper 3970X released over 4 years ago.
      I'll still applaud you for your bench scores, and for extracting every last MHz of performance out of a complex chip to tune, but people like us are a dying breed and we make up 1% of PC builders, most people aren't doing deep dives like this, and I've reached a point with Intel where I agree that it's silly.

    • @choggi
      @choggi 11 днів тому +4

      A reviewer should show out of box experience, not tweaked results since then as you say the silicone lottery comes into play.

    • @m8x425
      @m8x425 10 днів тому +1

      not a knock on what you wrote, but most people don't tune their PC. I used to repair and salvage PCs, and you'd be shocked at some of the stuff I've seen from people that built themselves a custom PC.
      (The worst case so far was from a guy who bought a 2070 Super to pair with an old AM3+ system that had the 95wTDP FX-8120/Gigabyte 990fx-UD3 board. He put the card in the PCIe 2.0 x4 slot and wondered why the card wasn't better than his previous card. He thought the system was broken, so he sold me the remains for $30usd w/o the 2070 S, PSU, and drives.)
      I probably bought a couple dozen other custom built PC's that had an issue, or the owner just wanted to get rid of it, and two of those PCs had been tuned. Most of the time the issue was the old Intel stock cooler popped off.

  • @sensei_...
    @sensei_... 9 днів тому +2

    Bought a 7800x3d for 330 usd brandnew 🔥

  • @wizzardrincewind9458
    @wizzardrincewind9458 7 годин тому

    Thank you

  • @masx4813
    @masx4813 12 днів тому +7

    Even sleeping 7800x 3d can beat 14900k easily

  • @alsayedfakhri4597
    @alsayedfakhri4597 12 днів тому +3

    i7 13/14700k is the competitor here, really.

    • @D00m3dHitm4n
      @D00m3dHitm4n 12 днів тому +3

      it aint much of a competition tho AMD still wins across the board

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 12 днів тому

      @@D00m3dHitm4n moreso competition at the same price range, the i9 isn't a gaming CPU. The i7 is also much better in other ways.

    • @davidestesc
      @davidestesc 11 днів тому

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 the point is compare the best intel and amd gaming cpus. The 14700k will be slower than 14900k, so you can extrapolate with the results on the video.

  • @ChrisLightbulb
    @ChrisLightbulb 10 днів тому

    Thank you for still including the 4K test results in your benchmarking. It will be interesting to see with Lunar Lake, Zen 5 and then Zen 5 3D to see if CPUs make more of a difference at 4K in future, along with Nvidia's upcoming RTX 5090 GPU.

  • @Hobbes4ever
    @Hobbes4ever 12 днів тому +1

    I was a intel user until 4 years ago and I am glad I switched

  • @dIggl3r
    @dIggl3r 12 днів тому +4

    So happy to see *my* 7800X3D is performing that well against the latest Intel top dog! 💙

    • @KoItai1
      @KoItai1 12 днів тому

      well, 9000 series will be disappointing, 2 years leap and amd can t beat the 7800x3d, while in arrowlake even the core 5 will beat the 7800x3d, dk what amd even does with their 9000 series

    • @robertjif6337
      @robertjif6337 12 днів тому

      ​@@KoItai1"will", we will see if arrow lake is really that good

    • @KoItai1
      @KoItai1 12 днів тому

      @@robertjif6337 even if they don t change much else about cpu's, the fact that they jump from 10nm to 3nm, gives the cpu 20% more performance per watt; intel always shine when they change platforms; always sucked on creating better cpus on same platform, that s why they change it quite often; now considering it s also a 2 year jump; the 13600kf was just 10% behind 7800x3d; so it s not unreasonable for the core5 to be better

    • @PineyJustice
      @PineyJustice 12 днів тому

      @@KoItai1 Arrowlake is going to be more of an efficiency increase than a performance increase. The x3d parts are basically a generation ahead of the non x3d parts, remember, we have the 9000x3d parts coming out this fall, probably at the same time arrowlake launches. The 9950x will probably be well ahead of the 15900k for workloads and about on par for gaming, the 9xx0x3d will be well ahead in gaming. The big focus of zen 5 is higher sustained clocks in allcore loads and better chiplet communication, dramatic reductions in latency etc. Word is that zen 5 will be dramatically better in games that leverage more than 8 cores. There is also talk that the 9000x3d chips are packing some other upgrades, new 3d vcache module, higher clocks and perhaps even overclocking. Most sources agree, it's not looking good for intel.

    • @KoItai1
      @KoItai1 12 днів тому

      @@PineyJustice amd themselves said 9950x won t be better than 7800x3d; that means they ll be even worse than intel 14th gen, or really close, after a 2 year leap; which is really disappointing; intel gets 20% better performance per watt, and between 25-30% IPC increase; getting rid of multithread will hurt their multicore performance but will significantly increase the gaming performance, but until then a thing is sure, the nonx3d 9000 chips will be absolute trash; considering u can get 90-95% of that performance in the 7000 series at a much more discounted price

  • @TheIndulgers
    @TheIndulgers 12 днів тому +6

    Intel man 🤦🏻
    I would classify myself as an enthusiast, but even I don’t know what the hell is going on.
    So there’s a standard, recommended, performance, and extreme profile? Or is the performance profile “recommended”? What will the boards ship with? Shouldn’t it be “standard” as it is, you know… standard? 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @PadaV4
      @PadaV4 12 днів тому +1

      Yea Im just as confused as you are..

    • @Ascarion1234
      @Ascarion1234 12 днів тому +5

      No, no, it's all very simple! The "performance" profile is quite performant you see, and that's why it's the "standard". But we do "recommend" that you use the "extreme" profile for EXTREME gaming performance. You might think that it would make sense that the "recommended" profile is also "standard", but this way, we can tell you a) if you run into issues with "extreme", well, that's not the "standard" profile! You should use the weaker "performance" profile because that's the "standard"! Or b) if you are not happy with your processor's "performance", it's your fault because you did not set it to the "recommended" "extreme" profile that we recommend! Either way, you lose, Intel wins!

    • @a-alex-p7033
      @a-alex-p7033 12 днів тому +1

      The funniest thing is that when they released 14900k and showed all those benchmarks and scores but now the recommended setting can’t hit those claimed scores… That part doesn’t sit right with me, intel sold those processors with big claims and now they’re changing the perfomance. All those customers who bought the “fastest cpu” got robbed..

    • @a-alex-p7033
      @a-alex-p7033 12 днів тому +1

      @@Ascarion1234but isn’t it false advertising on intel’s part? I mean some people can’t hit intel’s claimed scores without the cpu crashing… People bought 100% of the cpu perfomance and now are recommended to use 75-85% of perfomance essentially… I truly think it’s wrong advertisement because intel themselves used those same profiles/power settings that now are not recommended to use…

  • @dyson9422
    @dyson9422 11 днів тому

    Thank you for another great set of test result that show that:
    • If you want more frames/second (FPS) the 7800X3D is usually a better choice than the 14900K;
    • The Extreme profile will offer more FPS and use more power than the Performance profile;
    • It is implied but not shown that the Extreme profile will cause its CPU to age faster.
    What has not been discussed is the effect of the “cooling solution“, thermal velocity boost, and short time boost on FPS and aging. One of the things to identify for a given cooling solution is is the acceptable steady state temperatures for (a) wall power (b) CPU (c) GPU for stable (1) CPU frequency and GPU frequency. It is assumed that boost will take advantage below below steady state loading to boost frequency. The extent that boost will exceed acceptable steady state temperatures will accelerate aging and may impact reliability.

  • @mattm203
    @mattm203 10 днів тому

    Great Video as always!
    AMD guy here, and last weekend I built my friend's kid a gaming desktop. He wanted to go Intel, and I wasn't going to try and change his mind (get a 7800x3d) instead of the 14700k. Well i built the system, everything went smooth and really had no issues.
    But on boot up, (MSI z790 board) in the bios asked me what power profile I wanted to use, based on my cooler. I installed a Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE (360 AIO) so I chose the water cooling power profile, thinking, oh a 14700k wont draw anything near what a 14900k would so this should be fine.
    Well I get windows installed and everything setup, run Cinebench, and sure enough it was drawing 300W and would peak out at 320W. I was blown away, it would almost instantly hit 100C and start to throttle. So i went back in the bios and limited it down to the (Tower Cooler) profile, which seemed to lock the max to 280W.
    I did no expect the 14700k to draw that much.. The temps peak out now around 90-92c, but man... that was crazy! Other Intel guys here, is that what you see from your 14700k with no limits?

    • @innie721
      @innie721 10 днів тому +1

      that's completely normal behavior for these Intel CPUs. Productivity loads is what they are best at, keep in mind a 14700k will score 35000 in Cinebench, a 7800X3D will score only 18000. Of course this is completely useless in gaming, but shows these Intel CPUs do have a gap they fill that AMD isn't good at (yet)

  • @_M....
    @_M.... 12 днів тому +4

    The extreme profile is not worth it at all. Also the 14900k for gaming is not worth it at all.

  • @reviewforthetube6485
    @reviewforthetube6485 12 днів тому +4

    I would just get the 7950x3d and call it a day. 5800x3d gaming performance and more powerful everywhere else. Should test the 7950x3d vs the 14900k not the 7800x3d vs i9 14900k. Yall already showed the 7950x3d is skightly faster in gaming than even the 7800x3d.

    • @jeremyg2236
      @jeremyg2236 12 днів тому

      Just slightly faster than 7800x3d while being significantly more expensive, not worth it tbh.

    • @RamonInNZ
      @RamonInNZ 12 днів тому

      7800X3d is faster in gaming which is what is tested on this channel. For productivity non X3D 7900s are better!

    • @reviewforthetube6485
      @reviewforthetube6485 12 днів тому

      @RamonInNZ the 7800x3d was tested and lost to the 7950x3d on this channel lol. It's rated as no1 because of its price/performance. I also said 7950x3d is faster everywhere else so I'm talking about people who want the best amd cpu and who do alot more then just gaming.

    • @suparibhau
      @suparibhau 12 днів тому

      @@jeremyg2236 you do understand that people just don't use pc's to play games right?

    • @jeremyg2236
      @jeremyg2236 12 днів тому +1

      @@suparibhau yes I know, but this video is testing mainly games, so obviously I'll recommend 7800x3d instead.

  • @m8x425
    @m8x425 10 днів тому

    Did you check to see if the 7200MT/s RAM was stable with Karhu before testing? It really does wonders for performance and benchmark scores if you have everything dialed in and it's working correctly. It should take around a day or two if you know what you're doing.

  • @vasheroo
    @vasheroo 11 днів тому

    I'm loving my 7800x3d. The graphs showed system power about 200 watts lower vs the 14900k with 1080p. Does the margin shrink at 4k considerably?

  • @monsterboomer8051
    @monsterboomer8051 12 днів тому +24

    The more you Intel, the more you want AMD.

    • @thetheoryguy5544
      @thetheoryguy5544 12 днів тому

      Hell nah not with with them shady ass benchmarks.

    • @manbearpigsereal
      @manbearpigsereal 12 днів тому +8

      @@thetheoryguy5544 lol because intel has never had shady benchmarks

    • @shoobadoo123
      @shoobadoo123 12 днів тому +8

      @@thetheoryguy5544based on your comments, you are extremely biased in favor of intel. These are companies, man. Not sports teams. You don't pick a side and root for it 🤦‍♂️

    • @riven4121
      @riven4121 12 днів тому

      @@thetheoryguy5544 Two words. Principled Technologies.

    • @Argoon1981
      @Argoon1981 12 днів тому +2

      @@shoobadoo123 Exactly, if more people behaved like us the PC hardware market would be way different. Fanboyish wars is what's destroys markets and hardware evolution.

  • @robertj1138
    @robertj1138 12 днів тому

    thank you.

  • @mariomolnar3184
    @mariomolnar3184 10 днів тому

    Can you pls also add 1 to 3 productivity benchmarks as well for processors? I feel this is the only missing part of CPU comparisons, for those who are also interested in productivity.
    Thank you and glad to see the transparicy

  • @Quizack
    @Quizack 12 днів тому +21

    Hardware Unboxed doesn't even unbox hardware anymore. Kinda sad watching your idols get lazy. Fortunately we've got world class reviews, but come on guys, unbox something for your old fans!

  • @TheTrumanZoo
    @TheTrumanZoo 12 днів тому +6

    israeli company shifting the blame.. hmmm..

  • @brewing8094
    @brewing8094 11 днів тому

    One thing I noticed from reviews of the lower intel i5-13600k and i5-14600k there were less problems and when mentioned the i9 been set at 188w well both the 13th +14th i5 is 188w? and 253w on other boards for i9?
    I noticed some beefed up, revised Z790 boards have come out as well. I reckon there should have been 3 power settings in bios for i9-i7-i5 and a easy custom manual power setting out of the box.

  • @Krenisphia
    @Krenisphia 12 днів тому

    My Asus MB had the PL1/PL2 set to 253/4999 at default.
    Ghost of Tsushima kept crashing until I went and changed it to 125/253. Now it runs flawlessly.
    Running a 13700KF.

  • @tolikowens
    @tolikowens 12 днів тому

    Steve is the best when it comes to hardware.