@@HardwareCanucks We're Canadian I'm 155 lbs 5' 5" I can run a kilometre pretty quickly A bag of milk has four 1L bags And we bake bread with a few cups of flour We mix up our units ALL THE TIME
Hey guys. Small correction. At 5:00 the arrow is mistakenly pointing towards the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port and NOT the USB 4 port. The USB 4 port is on the RIGHT in that image.
@@raminpro9765 by the way i tried to find any temp test and battery life for i9 laptop and i could not find it. is that really hot? almost no videos may be intel take them down?
@@goodstan1260 under 10 loop cinebench in new asus G16 intel cpu reach 110* and performance drop near 50% ,,,, intel think with change name and add more core its bad architecture solve
@@ulamss5 its referring to the fact that the 8xxx series from AMD does not bring meaningful improvements (if any) over the 7xxx series, I saw benchmarks where they perform within 2% of each other.
TBF, they have an NPU. What does it matter now? Absolutely nothing. It's like ray-tracing for the RTX 2000 series, in that it's still underpowered and has piss-poor adoption.
@@deeomayall the fact I had forgotten about the NPU shows how important it is 😂. But yeah, will probably come in handy in a couple of years, but at that point I wonder what 40TOPS will be able to do. Didn't intel already announce 100TOPS or something? And AMD won't stay behind... First gen products will become hugely underpowered real fast
The Intel one goes on sale at Best Buy for $800, but I don't see that from the Walmart one. That makes the Intel one a better deal IMO. 1TB drive, cheaper, and you can just walk into a store to get one. I've never seen the Walmart one on display around me. For me, the higher battery life is worth it, but I'm sure others feel different. I am choosing the ultra light Asus so I can easily carry it around.
Thank you for highlighting the platform bias problem in seemingly identical laptops. We may be missing out on extra performance, stability and/or battery life because OEMs don't put enough love into one platform.
it will be a huge stepup for battery outside of macbooks but for typical windows users? qualcomm laptops will be something very nishe. I can bet we will see more Linux users with those for at least 1-2 years.. Windows for ARM is just bad - and emulating x86 on Linux is just painless
@@Karti200you technically don't even need to emulate in Linux, the build tools are native to ARM and you can compile pretty much anything you want. tho it's not convenient
Definitely looking forward to see how that goes. The thing is there are more ARM vendors and if it is a success x86 might be dropped for good. It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia can cook up if it wants to throw its hat in the ring.
But you will be shocked at their prices. Flagship SoC for Qualcomm has been increasing in prices by 20% every generation. SD 8 Gen 3 is $200 now, previous SD 8 Gen 2 was $160 . SD X Elite is a bigger chip , it'll probably cost like an Intel Core Ultra 7 CPU.
How many years has it been since the last time I saw a real serious comparison between CPUs of the same tier and generation ? It's more informative and much more objective than the hundred of videos comparing Ryzen 7 and i9.
Good video and good comparison, it seems to me my necessary for I create the performance of both processors is different in the laptos compared to the PCs
Totally, I think it also depends on the cooling system, it will maintain the performance of the processors and their performance as the Windowsue version is using
That can be an EU factor can intervene, at least I act to Windows11 thanks to BNH Software and if you notice the performance of my Intel processor I better improve the work program
the one thing I dont understand is that all these AMD models here in western EU max out at 16GB RAM. The intel ones go up to 32GB. Both zenbooks and yogas. They seem to artificially handicap AMD models for prosumers to sell them Intel laptops. I really wanted the AMD Yoga with 32GB. Strange no youtuber seems to talk about this, Im pretty sure the RAM is worlwide.
@@andyH_England thats really strange considering last years chips had 32gb options and its basically the same chips. I also dont want to believe that it happened because of 5600MTs vs 6400MTs
It seems manufacturers position AMD laptops at lower price points than Intel’s. They strip RAM, display resolution and sometimes the finishing materials to position the two otherwise similar products at clearly separate price points. I too would prefer they offered fully specd AMD models.
This video shows a number of things; AMD is WAY FASTER than Intel at lower wattage. Cinebench is the most favorable benchmark to Intel (and therefore really shouldn't be used, because it doesn't have anything close to real world performance today), and that Intel NEEDS to have 60+Watt in order to perform well. Almost every benchmark that you show Intel performing well in; is just QuickSync Video GPU rendering/Encoding. I think you are very critical of AMD in saying that Intel has caught up.... Intel's Meteor Lake is decent... and the 8000 series is just 7000 series again... but AMD is so much better at lower wattage which is what you actually want to do with a laptop.
Same observation, hoping it's not intentional but @Hardware Canucks is missing one of the most relevant performance metric for this laptop segment: efficiency. Highlightig Intel's battery life "advantage" over AMD but using its limited power as a justification for lower performance in the Zenbook... needs some more nuances at the very least. Comparing AMD at 63W is >50% more power, for what seems like roughly
@@filou7171 Yes, and AMD has done it again now with their next generation. That's even faster. So honestly Intel has definitely not caught up. We have to see what happens with the next generation and if it actually runs at low wattage and Temps.
@cuongquoc9241 that is software tuning. If you compare both the cores side by side, the Intel cores use more power. Also the Intel systems are hitting 105c under load... AMD chips don't pass 85 usually.. Therefore Intel laptops tend to die quickly.
On the Yoga Pro's the memory on the Intel is actually technically ''faster'', Although the AMD set is tighter, 6400MT/s cl50 = 15.6 nano seconds, and the 7467MT/s cl64 = 17.1 nano seconds. To give you a reference my DDR4 4600MT/s CL18 = 7.8 Nano seconds. I know that DDR5 is double the bandwidth, but my DDR4 would do 2 transfers in less time than the 7467MT/s DDR5 would take to do 1, does that make my DDR4 ''faster'' than this DDR5? Also I know they seem to get away with slower timings on laptop ram, because for my sons laptop, it was a hunt to find 32gb kit of DDR4 3200MT/s CL16, most are CL22, CL16 = 10 nano seconds CL22 = 13.75 Nano seconds. I found 2 kits, tightest was, 1 kit from Mushkin, Redline (CL16,18-18-38) and the other was, 1 kit from T.Force, Zeus (CL16,20-20-40). My son got the Mushkin, and my mothers laptop got the T.Force, their identical, but I know the Mushkin are technically better lol. Always look past just the MT/s speed, and use a latency calculator.
The arrow markers at 5:10 for the AMD Zenbook are pointing to the wrong ports when describing which port offers which spec. The USB icons for 40 gig and power are aligned to the left of the port they are describing. You can literally see physical differences in the cheaper 3.2 port and the 4.0 port from how they are integrated into the chassis
Watch Just Josh review. This review is not honest. Just Josh is very transparent about power usage for each task, benchmark, battery life. You will be surprised.
@@nhanNguyen-wo8fyit is honest. People forget that it's not just CPU that makes a difference but also optimisation. You can have the most efficient CPUs but if a company doesn't optimise for it, it's basically just running battery like wild.
@@joelconolly5574 Hardware Canuck just carefully manipulates viewer. HC just shows power usage in 1 Blender task without any performance number take the ultra7 average is 33W, ryzen 7 is 41W. From then on, assuming that the ultra7 ran at 33W, ryzen7 at 41W in any test, and of course, it's not true. Bad luck for them. Just Josh make the same comparison review before them and show power usage for each task.
Well those horrible battery life on AMD is due to buggy power management drivers. They simply push lot of power on light and medium load pushing the thermals to far 95C and sustained workloads takes a significant frequency drop. Usually uninstalling it restores the correct power+frequency scaling for better battery life.
Enjoyed this, a good comparison. Interesting to see the potential differences. It's sad, that depending on your laptop you're still never going to truly know if you bought the right one 😅. Great advice at the end too!
do you guys hate it when manufacturers max out only one port like 5:33 ? if it's a usb-a (on a desktop, for example), i want it to be 3.2 x4, not 3.2 x1 and 3.1 x3. if it's a usb-c, it has to be 10gbps x2 or 40gbps x2, not 40gbps x1 and 10gbps x1. same with m2 slots, lan ports (on a motherboard). am i the only one like this? i just don't want to think which one to use. lol. that's not crazy right?
It has to be a cost thing, but it is very annoying. I wonder how much it really is though, you would think it would only be like another $2 or $4. It must be a fair amount more though. since they could just say we are only buying USB 3.2 x 2 minimum because of Economies of Scale and be done with it. Let other lower end products deal with it. IOT and the like, many other devices still are fine with lower end USB. Still millions and millions worldwide, but not really needed on 13th Gen or AMD 7000 series laptops or higher. Desktops should just have one USB 2.0 A port ( keyboard / mouse ) in case there is interference for something since USB 3.0 can cause that for some wireless mouse and keyboards for instance (Logitech). Desktops now need to come with one 10G LAN port ( GbE ), preferably 10G SFP+ to save on heat and electricity. I hear more and more places are going over 2.5 G internet for the home, some have 8G and 10G, let alone more people should be doing their own backups at home which you would really need 10G LAN ports then if you want fast internal speed in your home or apt. Since what you "purchase" isn't really yours apparently. Having your own NAS or small server for some self hosted things may be the way to go. It is a PITA, but this most likely ALL has to do with the PCIe lanes on the motherboard and the CPU and what they can handle, they probably just can't handle that much. Just like what I found out like a month ago, a Dell Precision workstation laptops since 8th Gen Intel's have had the capability to have 3 NVMe's in there, yes Three!! Like what WTH. So if they could of done that back then, maybe even 7th Gen, haven't looked at 6th, but the 9th, 10th and 11th for sure can as long as it's a big enough screen. Can't expect it if it's a Dell Precision 14" screen since not enough room. So they are basically using server grade mother boards which have more PCIe lanes which means it CAN be done. If the mfg's wanted to they could all say, this is THEE standard, no BS.
different ports are prices differently. so they have to balance it out. but imagine the thinkpad x1 latest model. it has multiple thunderbolt and consistently all of their ports are latest.
OK cool, but I miss a very important information. Was all this testing done, when the devices were plugged in or not? (Of course excluding the battery benchmark)
The ASUS' AMD bias isn't surprising, knowing they're the only ones so far selling full AMD laptops worldwide and using the "AMD Advantage" label. Their pricing is really crap though, it's unaffordable in most of Europe for the performance you get, to the point even going for RTX 3060 laptops is viable against a 7600S laptop because you'd be paying twice more for the 7600S and not getting any "advantage" (except battery on idle).
Could you please elaborate more on the new CPU's coming out next year? I am currently looking at Lenovo 14" 2-in-1 and considering Ryzen 7 8845HS. Shall I wait?
I just bought the Intel Zenbook for $799 from Best Buy. So you CAN pick this laptop up for much less than even the recommended Ryzen 7000 series laptops. Expect sales around Father's Day/Graduation day again.
4:18 how the heck does the same processor in another chassis with just 4% less battery capacity have half the battery life compared to the zenbook under heavy load?
Regarding the gradual clockspeed decrease on the zenbook with intel, asus hasn t done anything to address it in the past FIVE years. I have a 2019 zenbook ux434 with an i7 10510u, and the same behaviour happens. It starts at 30w turbo, which naturally decreases when it switches to PL1 (15w), then it slowly goes down to around 8w, sometimes even 7 when rerunning cinebench, and temperatures are around 65C. The fix is either using throttlestop or using linux which is way more consistent.
Great stuff really! I didn't want to buy a new laptop even though I am in great need, so I had my company doing it for me. I almost went for the Ryzen here but ended up with Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 Ultra i7 155H. So far I am still waiting for it, and the day I never thought would come is getting closer where I am replacing my Zenbook 13 with Intel i7 8565u.
I just graduated and will major in computer science. I was thinking the zenbook 14(amd or ryzen) or the hp pavillion plus 14 ryzen 8845. I also do a little gaming on the side. Which do u recommend?
I agree with looking for discounts on pre-2024 stock, except for Asus Vivo and Zenbook OLED touch models. The touch screen crosshatching is weirdly pronounced on those screens.
Are you sure about the Lenovo Yoga 7i Pro 14" 14IMH9 has an extra ssd slot? Not seeing it on their spec page. Just one 2242 slot. As does videos of the opening of it.
Interesting comparison. I note this was for the latest Intel and AMD H series processors. Is the same true for the latest Intel and AMD U series processors? A saw video comparing Minisforum V3 with AMD 7 8840U Vs Microsoft Surface Pro 10 with Intel Core Ultra 7 165U. AMD outperformed Intel especially with respect to graphics (+40%), and Intel needed more watts (44W) when matching AMD performance (31W).
On the CPU side. The GPU (Arc in them) is buggy as hell and has a lot of drivers issue in the games. Can't even open major games like Doom, Warzone and so on. If someone wants games as well they should forget about this Intel Ultra chips with just Arc inside them.
Could you include more comprehensive benchmarks like geekbench or spec? These should deliver a more complete picture for use cases not covered and are better for a general benchmark than cinebench
You are right about problems with the ARC drivers. Forza Horizon 4 crashes on every Intel Core Ultra + ARC laptop I've tried (Zenbooks & Vivobooks). No problems with the AMD-powered Asus Zenbook 14 OLED.
Fantastic review!! are you going to compare the Asus Roc Zephrus? Would i be better to wait for the ryzen 9 and Ultra 9 from Asus and lenovo and if you were to buy a laptop which brand would you choose between these two. Thx.
You pointed out the platform bias problem for Asus - but I'd like to see the same graphs for the Lenovo laptops as well. The benchmarks included seem to settle it, but maybe you could publish/include quickly somewhere in the video the power graphs and temperature graphs for the Lenovo systems for us to pause and look at it if we want.
Going off your advice in the video, I found this laptop on sale at a big box retailer for $999. Thoughts?: Lenovo Slim 7 Pro X 14.5" Touchscreen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS - GeForce RTX 3050 (4GB VRAM) - 120Hz 3072 x 1920 Display - 32GB RAM - 1TB SSD - Model: 82V20003US I need to run poorly optimized, processor and memory intensive apps that deal with large datasets up to 10GB each. I value a small durable chassis, good battery life (when I’m not taxing the CPU/GPU with heavy tasks), and a high resolution screen to view large graphs and charts with minimal scrolling.
I think that your suggest laptops are disingenuous, they're zen 3 laptops which are almost two years old at this point. They're effectively a 6800U and a 5800u, since the 7730 doesn't even have the 680m inside, it uses Vega.
Hello i been looking for a laptop. My options are zenbook 14 either with u7 155h or with 8840HS. I will not play games but i will be doing many database and programming works. Which one should i get or should i wait for ultra series 2 processor laptops from intel(not available in my country yet).
Picked up a Lenovo ideapad 5 2in1 with the 8845hs and 780m graphics for 650 at microcenter, 16g of ram and a 1tb ssd, seems like it was a great deal to me!
It will have some marginal improvements. The way that things works nowadays is to always look for the next gen, which means that companies only focus on getting the goodies to the new upcoming products (logic of profits unfortunately)
This is a great video, as it really shows an unbiased view of Intel vs AMD in laptops, and surprisingly Intel now neck and neck, if not slightly ahead of AMD. The ONLY complaint I have with the video is the ending, first is that Meteor Lake (Core Ultra) and Ryzen 8000 laptops are now on deep discount so your recommendation of buying 2023 isnt the best, the second issue with it is that Lunar Lake comes out in September and Zen 5 in late July (more like August for shipping), so next gen is actually much closer than 2025. Still a great video tho.
Very thorough testing, well explained and represented with graphs. Not only that but actual useful advice in the end to the consumer. This is top notch content!
Great video, thanks! 👍 So would you recommend a yoga 7i oled i7-1360P or a Yoga 7 oled Ryzen 7-8840HS, currently at the same price? Or maybe a similarly priced Vivobook S oled Ryzen 7-7730U instead??
wait yoga pro series are using ryzen 8845 hs which is meant for higher power while zenbook in using 8840hs which is for lower power usage so this comparison of zenbook(amd) and lenovo yoga(amd) is not done properly
@suriyas1456 8840U or HS are extremely similar; there's nearly no difference, so either is a solid choice in 2024. But when it comes to 13th and 14th intel's series it's a mess - every chip above 65W has serious flaw (they have f up issue with micro code that is degrading the chip and ultimately making it physically damaged) so I wouldn't bother with any intel's chip in 13th and 14th generation. Overall, right now, the AMD is the way to go, be it 7th or a specially 8000 series.
Thank you so much! These are exactly the laptops I wanted to buy, so this comparison came at the perfect time. Hope to see you do the same next year ;)
@TG04 I just bought an Android tablet for uni. My problem was that my current AMD Ryzen 5500U Lenovo laptop has a broken hinge. So I only use it at home. That solved my problem.
Great and important video. Could you please do a video on Intel Arc Graphics vs GeForce RTX... essentially something like the samsung galaxy book 4 intel arc graphics vs asus zenbook 14 rtx 3070.
Everytime i watch windows laptop reviews and comp on youtube the more it just pushes me to apple. Sick of this nonesense with amd and intel and the myriad of distros. Its too much, decision paralysis. I sometimes wonder how much sales suffer for windows laptops because because dont want a phd in learning what is what with cpus or setups or form factors etc. i want simple. Dont even get me started to copilot pcs with NPU nonsense that “might” be useful in the future when everything just hets processed on server in the cloud anyways.
Just bought my first new laptop from Best Buy HP - Victus 16.1" Gaming Laptop - AMD Ryzen 7-8845HS - 16GB DDR5 Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 512GB SSD - Mica Silver - Open Box Excellent for $792.99. I have long been a fan of buying used an older gen machine. but at this price it just made sense to go new. I have now broken 2 Surface Pro 3 laptops. the most recent one I paid $125 for used. So both have their place. Plus $250 and I have 2TB SSD and 64GB RAM. I am future proof for another decade.
Why the focus on video editing? I get you're youtubers, so that's your focus, but where's the benchmarks on compiling code, running VMs? That's what I do with my laptops.
X Elite has won some of Intel Ultra core in several areas but not Video Editing only. Just waiting for things to settle down now. How does this one compare to Microsoft and Qualcomm chipset 16gb and 512gb
Yes. That's why Intel wins out in content creation, because of their iGPU encoder "QuickSync", its even better than Nvidia's NVENC encoder on a 4090. Another feature is Thunderbolt which is mentioned in this video. There are a lot of these small difference, but long story short, when two CPUs are similar buy the Intel CPU/laptop as it has better features.
However, I need better performance in Lightroom and Davinci now and can't wait until next year. Now that I've seen your comparison, I would choose the Intel Ultra 7 155H over an AMD Ryzen 8845HS. Combined with an RTX 4060, that should be enough for many years.
Heya, ! bought a Yoga 2-1 i9 with Intel 155H with 32GB RAM and 1T SSD at Lenovo Days. Costed me 1500€ (base price 2100€) . Should I trade it back for an AMD? Thanks!
This is such a wrong review... Yes, the evaluation should be done at the same power configuration, but remember those are ultrabooks and neither one of those devices can sustain 63W. Do the same power configuration, but with let's say 30W in place and you will see that AMD will be ahead of Intel. It's all about performance at those lower wattages.
Add international measurements (kg alongside the pounds) for future videos, please
Good suggestion. Will do!
@@HardwareCanucksThank you
@@HardwareCanucks We're Canadian
I'm 155 lbs
5' 5"
I can run a kilometre pretty quickly
A bag of milk has four 1L bags
And we bake bread with a few cups of flour
We mix up our units ALL THE TIME
@@bkhleung Not wrong lol, but when it comes weighing people I'd say it can be both, but with groceries, produce etc, it'll definitely be in lbs lol.
@@NootNoot.Instead of lbs you could royal everything. "Royal amount of flour"
Hey guys. Small correction. At 5:00 the arrow is mistakenly pointing towards the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port and NOT the USB 4 port. The USB 4 port is on the RIGHT in that image.
1:35 the names/images are flipped
temprature you dont analyse,,,, temp. after 10 loop cinebench important for us,,,,all new intel very hot,throttle
@@raminpro9765 by the way i tried to find any temp test and battery life for i9 laptop and i could not find it. is that really hot? almost no videos may be intel take them down?
@@goodstan1260 under 10 loop cinebench in new asus G16 intel cpu reach 110* and performance drop near 50% ,,,, intel think with change name and add more core its bad architecture solve
@@raminpro9765 you saved me because i prepared to purchase it, what would you recommend?
Intel: *renames 13000 series as '14th gen'*
AMD: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
I'm pretty sure it went the other way. AMD skipped 4000 and 6000, depending on whether you count laptops.
@@ulamss5 its referring to the fact that the 8xxx series from AMD does not bring meaningful improvements (if any) over the 7xxx series, I saw benchmarks where they perform within 2% of each other.
TBF, they have an NPU. What does it matter now? Absolutely nothing. It's like ray-tracing for the RTX 2000 series, in that it's still underpowered and has piss-poor adoption.
@@deeomayall the fact I had forgotten about the NPU shows how important it is 😂. But yeah, will probably come in handy in a couple of years, but at that point I wonder what 40TOPS will be able to do. Didn't intel already announce 100TOPS or something? And AMD won't stay behind... First gen products will become hugely underpowered real fast
Raptor lake > Raptor lake refresh;
Phoenix > Hawk Point;
Now this make sence
Honestly the biggest issue is the lack of AMD laptops anywhere.
I tried to buy the Zenbook in this video, its not available anywhere.
It's a Walmart exclusive
The Intel one goes on sale at Best Buy for $800, but I don't see that from the Walmart one. That makes the Intel one a better deal IMO. 1TB drive, cheaper, and you can just walk into a store to get one. I've never seen the Walmart one on display around me. For me, the higher battery life is worth it, but I'm sure others feel different. I am choosing the ultra light Asus so I can easily carry it around.
Its so damn hard to find amd laptop.
I dont want to choise Intel furnace
It's in stock right now
@@syarifairlangga4608ultra 7 doesn't get very hot
Thank you for highlighting the platform bias problem in seemingly identical laptops. We may be missing out on extra performance, stability and/or battery life because OEMs don't put enough love into one platform.
First time?
Just wait until the Snapdragon X Elite laptops come out. It will make things even more of a mess!
it will be a huge stepup for battery outside of macbooks
but for typical windows users? qualcomm laptops will be something very nishe.
I can bet we will see more Linux users with those for at least 1-2 years..
Windows for ARM is just bad - and emulating x86 on Linux is just painless
@@Karti200you technically don't even need to emulate in Linux, the build tools are native to ARM and you can compile pretty much anything you want. tho it's not convenient
not when qualcomm been releasing fake results
Definitely looking forward to see how that goes. The thing is there are more ARM vendors and if it is a success x86 might be dropped for good. It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia can cook up if it wants to throw its hat in the ring.
But you will be shocked at their prices. Flagship SoC for Qualcomm has been increasing in prices by 20% every generation. SD 8 Gen 3 is $200 now, previous SD 8 Gen 2 was $160 . SD X Elite is a bigger chip , it'll probably cost like an Intel Core Ultra 7 CPU.
How many years has it been since the last time I saw a real serious comparison between CPUs of the same tier and generation ?
It's more informative and much more objective than the hundred of videos comparing Ryzen 7 and i9.
Good video and good comparison, it seems to me my necessary for I create the performance of both processors is different in the laptos compared to the PCs
Totally, I think it also depends on the cooling system, it will maintain the performance of the processors and their performance as the Windowsue version is using
That can be an EU factor can intervene, at least I act to Windows11 thanks to BNH Software and if you notice the performance of my Intel processor I better improve the work program
Bro how t f did you get 116 likes as a recent commentor
Finally some good charts and comparisons when conparing laptops. I like how you test the battery life. Keep up the good work and keep innovating
You have my sympathy in testing laptops. No wonder one brand have better battery life if it also throttles.
They won't throttle during video playback lol, very small load...
@@K543he just said they were tested at high loads when they noticed the throttling
He's lowkey the king of comparison videos
the one thing I dont understand is that all these AMD models here in western EU max out at 16GB RAM. The intel ones go up to 32GB. Both zenbooks and yogas. They seem to artificially handicap AMD models for prosumers to sell them Intel laptops. I really wanted the AMD Yoga with 32GB. Strange no youtuber seems to talk about this, Im pretty sure the RAM is worlwide.
Another comment suggested that this may be due to memory bandwidth making 32GB on some AMD chips unavailable at higher megahertz.
@@andyH_England thats really strange considering last years chips had 32gb options and its basically the same chips. I also dont want to believe that it happened because of 5600MTs vs 6400MTs
@@Burbanana Maybe AMD reduced the bandwidth to save money? I have no idea, but I suspect the reason is technical rather than conspiratorial.
Same on the US Lenovo site, only one option, 16GB.
It seems manufacturers position AMD laptops at lower price points than Intel’s. They strip RAM, display resolution and sometimes the finishing materials to position the two otherwise similar products at clearly separate price points. I too would prefer they offered fully specd AMD models.
I didn't skip the ad lol, gj that was well made :)
This video shows a number of things; AMD is WAY FASTER than Intel at lower wattage. Cinebench is the most favorable benchmark to Intel (and therefore really shouldn't be used, because it doesn't have anything close to real world performance today), and that Intel NEEDS to have 60+Watt in order to perform well.
Almost every benchmark that you show Intel performing well in; is just QuickSync Video GPU rendering/Encoding.
I think you are very critical of AMD in saying that Intel has caught up.... Intel's Meteor Lake is decent... and the 8000 series is just 7000 series again... but AMD is so much better at lower wattage which is what you actually want to do with a laptop.
Same observation, hoping it's not intentional but @Hardware Canucks is missing one of the most relevant performance metric for this laptop segment: efficiency. Highlightig Intel's battery life "advantage" over AMD but using its limited power as a justification for lower performance in the Zenbook... needs some more nuances at the very least. Comparing AMD at 63W is >50% more power, for what seems like roughly
@@filou7171 Yes, and AMD has done it again now with their next generation. That's even faster. So honestly Intel has definitely not caught up. We have to see what happens with the next generation and if it actually runs at low wattage and Temps.
But in the video, the Intel Zenbook consumes less power than the AMD one, yet it still performs very well, just as good as the AMD model.
@cuongquoc9241 that is software tuning. If you compare both the cores side by side, the Intel cores use more power.
Also the Intel systems are hitting 105c under load... AMD chips don't pass 85 usually.. Therefore Intel laptops tend to die quickly.
Intel's chip is decent because their meteor Lake units are not made by them, but Taiwan's TSMC. How the mighty have fallen.
On the Yoga Pro's the memory on the Intel is actually technically ''faster'', Although the AMD set is tighter, 6400MT/s cl50 = 15.6 nano seconds, and the 7467MT/s cl64 = 17.1 nano seconds.
To give you a reference my DDR4 4600MT/s CL18 = 7.8 Nano seconds.
I know that DDR5 is double the bandwidth, but my DDR4 would do 2 transfers in less time than the 7467MT/s DDR5 would take to do 1, does that make my DDR4 ''faster'' than this DDR5?
Also I know they seem to get away with slower timings on laptop ram, because for my sons laptop, it was a hunt to find 32gb kit of DDR4 3200MT/s CL16, most are CL22,
CL16 = 10 nano seconds CL22 = 13.75 Nano seconds.
I found 2 kits, tightest was, 1 kit from Mushkin, Redline (CL16,18-18-38) and the other was, 1 kit from T.Force, Zeus (CL16,20-20-40).
My son got the Mushkin, and my mothers laptop got the T.Force, their identical, but I know the Mushkin are technically better lol.
Always look past just the MT/s speed, and use a latency calculator.
What a great video guys. I hope everyone appreciate the time and effort that goes into one like this.
Just watched your review too, was fantastic. Both of you guys put a lot of effort into your videos, and they turn out extremely well :)
Hey there is a mistake in 1:34, the logos are not matching the names correctly, the 7i has the AMD logo when it should be the intel one.
The arrow markers at 5:10 for the AMD Zenbook are pointing to the wrong ports when describing which port offers which spec. The USB icons for 40 gig and power are aligned to the left of the port they are describing. You can literally see physical differences in the cheaper 3.2 port and the 4.0 port from how they are integrated into the chassis
Thanks for noticing. I'll make sure there's a pinned comment.
@@HardwareCanucksYou forgot about the pinned comment
I had obviously seen that Meteor lake had IMPROVED battery life over older Intel CPU'S, but not better than Ryzen?! WILD. 😅👌
Watch Just Josh review. This review is not honest.
Just Josh is very transparent about power usage for each task, benchmark, battery life. You will be surprised.
It's basically the same but Intel wins in pushing it up a bit more.
@@nhanNguyen-wo8fyit is honest. People forget that it's not just CPU that makes a difference but also optimisation. You can have the most efficient CPUs but if a company doesn't optimise for it, it's basically just running battery like wild.
@@joelconolly5574 No, it's totally different. Cinebench 2024 show ryzen 7 8840hs achieved 24 points per watt while Ultra7 achieved 21 points per Watt.
@@joelconolly5574 Hardware Canuck just carefully manipulates viewer.
HC just shows power usage in 1 Blender task without any performance number take the ultra7 average is 33W, ryzen 7 is 41W.
From then on, assuming that the ultra7 ran at 33W, ryzen7 at 41W in any test, and of course, it's not true.
Bad luck for them. Just Josh make the same comparison review before them and show power usage for each task.
Well those horrible battery life on AMD is due to buggy power management drivers. They simply push lot of power on light and medium load pushing the thermals to far 95C and sustained workloads takes a significant frequency drop. Usually uninstalling it restores the correct power+frequency scaling for better battery life.
How did they manage to bottle those drivers?
@@israellewis5484 those are made by Asus that deviate from AMD recommended power and frequency values
Recommendations were EXACTLY ON POINT , Well done 👍
At 11:44 not sure how amd zenbook at 41w gets 132.6 fps while the amd yoga at 63w only gets 118 fps ?!
Enjoyed this, a good comparison. Interesting to see the potential differences. It's sad, that depending on your laptop you're still never going to truly know if you bought the right one 😅. Great advice at the end too!
10:34, How did lenovo AMD model gone lower even if its jigher wattage.
do you guys hate it when manufacturers max out only one port like 5:33 ?
if it's a usb-a (on a desktop, for example), i want it to be 3.2 x4, not 3.2 x1 and 3.1 x3.
if it's a usb-c, it has to be 10gbps x2 or 40gbps x2, not 40gbps x1 and 10gbps x1.
same with m2 slots, lan ports (on a motherboard).
am i the only one like this? i just don't want to think which one to use. lol. that's not crazy right?
It has to be a cost thing, but it is very annoying. I wonder how much it really is though, you would think it would only be like another $2 or $4. It must be a fair amount more though. since they could just say we are only buying USB 3.2 x 2 minimum because of Economies of Scale and be done with it. Let other lower end products deal with it. IOT and the like, many other devices still are fine with lower end USB. Still millions and millions worldwide, but not really needed on 13th Gen or AMD 7000 series laptops or higher. Desktops should just have one USB 2.0 A port ( keyboard / mouse ) in case there is interference for something since USB 3.0 can cause that for some wireless mouse and keyboards for instance (Logitech). Desktops now need to come with one 10G LAN port ( GbE ), preferably 10G SFP+ to save on heat and electricity. I hear more and more places are going over 2.5 G internet for the home, some have 8G and 10G, let alone more people should be doing their own backups at home which you would really need 10G LAN ports then if you want fast internal speed in your home or apt. Since what you "purchase" isn't really yours apparently. Having your own NAS or small server for some self hosted things may be the way to go. It is a PITA, but this most likely ALL has to do with the PCIe lanes on the motherboard and the CPU and what they can handle, they probably just can't handle that much. Just like what I found out like a month ago, a Dell Precision workstation laptops since 8th Gen Intel's have had the capability to have 3 NVMe's in there, yes Three!! Like what WTH. So if they could of done that back then, maybe even 7th Gen, haven't looked at 6th, but the 9th, 10th and 11th for sure can as long as it's a big enough screen. Can't expect it if it's a Dell Precision 14" screen since not enough room. So they are basically using server grade mother boards which have more PCIe lanes which means it CAN be done. If the mfg's wanted to they could all say, this is THEE standard, no BS.
different ports are prices differently. so they have to balance it out. but imagine the thinkpad x1 latest model. it has multiple thunderbolt and consistently all of their ports are latest.
OK cool, but I miss a very important information.
Was all this testing done, when the devices were plugged in or not? (Of course excluding the battery benchmark)
Good review. Glad to see good competition from intel on the battery life front finally
The ASUS' AMD bias isn't surprising, knowing they're the only ones so far selling full AMD laptops worldwide and using the "AMD Advantage" label. Their pricing is really crap though, it's unaffordable in most of Europe for the performance you get, to the point even going for RTX 3060 laptops is viable against a 7600S laptop because you'd be paying twice more for the 7600S and not getting any "advantage" (except battery on idle).
Asus is notoriously expensive indeed. ROG Zephyrus latest release has soldered RAM.. not upgradeable.. despite the price tag
@@Cyan_Nightingale we are disappointed in asus
the asus with intel cpu has probably an overheating vrm. that doesn't necessarily show in the cpu temperature chart, but leads to throtteling anyway.
Could you please elaborate more on the new CPU's coming out next year? I am currently looking at Lenovo 14" 2-in-1 and considering Ryzen 7 8845HS. Shall I wait?
Anyone else sick of AI marketing 😂
Beautiful video. Thank you very much. Watched with pleasure.
Great video, great listen. Thank you Ser
I just bought the Intel Zenbook for $799 from Best Buy. So you CAN pick this laptop up for much less than even the recommended Ryzen 7000 series laptops. Expect sales around Father's Day/Graduation day again.
4:18 how the heck does the same processor in another chassis with just 4% less battery capacity have half the battery life compared to the zenbook under heavy load?
Regarding the gradual clockspeed decrease on the zenbook with intel, asus hasn t done anything to address it in the past FIVE years. I have a 2019 zenbook ux434 with an i7 10510u, and the same behaviour happens. It starts at 30w turbo, which naturally decreases when it switches to PL1 (15w), then it slowly goes down to around 8w, sometimes even 7 when rerunning cinebench, and temperatures are around 65C. The fix is either using throttlestop or using linux which is way more consistent.
Great stuff really!
I didn't want to buy a new laptop even though I am in great need, so I had my company doing it for me. I almost went for the Ryzen here but ended up with Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 Ultra i7 155H.
So far I am still waiting for it, and the day I never thought would come is getting closer where I am replacing my Zenbook 13 with Intel i7 8565u.
Wow, intel has improved a lot with meteor lake
But this is just tip of the iceberg. More is yet to come.
Yes, having better battery life really surprised me
I just graduated and will major in computer science. I was thinking the zenbook 14(amd or ryzen) or the hp pavillion plus 14 ryzen 8845. I also do a little gaming on the side. Which do u recommend?
Excellent deep dive into the importance of hardware and platform context around laptop reviews. Subscribed!
So which one you recommend me to buy only for video editing purpose (adobe premiere pro )? Ryzen or Intel ?
8840hs goes with ultra books for lower price, but recent sales make laptops with ultra core 5 a very tempting deal. But it is by no means a 8840hs
I agree with looking for discounts on pre-2024 stock, except for Asus Vivo and Zenbook OLED touch models. The touch screen crosshatching is weirdly pronounced on those screens.
has the power output on intel zenbooks been fixed or has asus aknowledged it?
Doubtful
The lengths you guys went to make the test as apple to apple as possible is truly amazing. This is true testing. Respect!!
Keep up the good work
Just bought a lenovo laptop with an 8845HS for £620 though. Idk if you can beat that with intel.
Best comparison of Intel and AMD on laptops I have ever seen, excellent work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Are you sure about the Lenovo Yoga 7i Pro 14" 14IMH9 has an extra ssd slot? Not seeing it on their spec page. Just one 2242 slot. As does videos of the opening of it.
they had a different model with dgpu one both itel and amd but disabled them for the test
Interesting comparison. I note this was for the latest Intel and AMD H series processors. Is the same true for the latest Intel and AMD U series processors? A saw video comparing Minisforum V3 with AMD 7 8840U Vs Microsoft Surface Pro 10 with Intel Core Ultra 7 165U. AMD outperformed Intel especially with respect to graphics (+40%), and Intel needed more watts (44W) when matching AMD performance (31W).
So meteor lake did improved a lot.
On the CPU side. The GPU (Arc in them) is buggy as hell and has a lot of drivers issue in the games. Can't even open major games like Doom, Warzone and so on. If someone wants games as well they should forget about this Intel Ultra chips with just Arc inside them.
@@mariussm7797 True, Ryzen does still have the edge in gaming (although Intel does put up a surprisingly decent fight)
Could you include more comprehensive benchmarks like geekbench or spec? These should deliver a more complete picture for use cases not covered and are better for a general benchmark than cinebench
You are right about problems with the ARC drivers. Forza Horizon 4 crashes on every Intel Core Ultra + ARC laptop I've tried (Zenbooks & Vivobooks). No problems with the AMD-powered Asus Zenbook 14 OLED.
Cool Wallpaper. Where can I find it?
Fantastic review!! are you going to compare the Asus Roc Zephrus? Would i be better to wait for the ryzen 9 and Ultra 9 from Asus and lenovo and if you were to buy a laptop which brand would you choose between these two. Thx.
You pointed out the platform bias problem for Asus - but I'd like to see the same graphs for the Lenovo laptops as well. The benchmarks included seem to settle it, but maybe you could publish/include quickly somewhere in the video the power graphs and temperature graphs for the Lenovo systems for us to pause and look at it if we want.
I am thinking of buying a new laptop, but I wonder if I should wait for next year till the new intel cpus are released ... any opinions on that?
thanks! Great video with a very clear explanation. You convinced me to wait for one year more :)
how do you set laptops to 150 nits for your testing? do you use a light meter ?
Not suprused the i7 has better battery life, you have to do crazy crap in order to get the 7840u/z1 extreme to use less than 10 watts.
Asus Vivobook S 16. Ryzen 9 8945HS vs. Intel Core 9 Ultra 185H. Which one is the better buy
I'm curious as well😢
if it's asus obviously AMD
they are biased
32GB RAM vers is dual-channel. Davinci was in full version (Studio)? Because only this version has acceleration.
Going off your advice in the video, I found this laptop on sale at a big box retailer for $999. Thoughts?:
Lenovo Slim 7 Pro X 14.5" Touchscreen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS - GeForce RTX 3050 (4GB VRAM) - 120Hz 3072 x 1920 Display - 32GB RAM - 1TB SSD - Model: 82V20003US
I need to run poorly optimized, processor and memory intensive apps that deal with large datasets up to 10GB each. I value a small durable chassis, good battery life (when I’m not taxing the CPU/GPU with heavy tasks), and a high resolution screen to view large graphs and charts with minimal scrolling.
Why would somebody want to get a zen 3 laptop instead of a zen 4 laptop? Both of your "buy a Ryzen 7000 series" laptops have zen 3 processors
I think that your suggest laptops are disingenuous, they're zen 3 laptops which are almost two years old at this point. They're effectively a 6800U and a 5800u, since the 7730 doesn't even have the 680m inside, it uses Vega.
Hello i been looking for a laptop. My options are zenbook 14 either with u7 155h or with 8840HS. I will not play games but i will be doing many database and programming works. Which one should i get or should i wait for ultra series 2 processor laptops from intel(not available in my country yet).
Picked up a Lenovo ideapad 5 2in1 with the 8845hs and 780m graphics for 650 at microcenter, 16g of ram and a 1tb ssd, seems like it was a great deal to me!
But what about for Davinci Resolve? AMD isn't a great choice, so would you still recommend the '23 laptop with AMD or a current-gen Intel?
The 7000 laptops linked are essentially 6000 series renamed, not REALLY 7000 series which uses 780m igpu. Kind of misleading imo.
Sir would you recommend HP Aero Laptops? Are they good?
how did the ryzen 7 manage to reach 95 temp 7:45
Do you think the core ultra chips will get better through bios and firmware updates?
It will have some marginal improvements. The way that things works nowadays is to always look for the next gen, which means that companies only focus on getting the goodies to the new upcoming products (logic of profits unfortunately)
This is a great video, as it really shows an unbiased view of Intel vs AMD in laptops, and surprisingly Intel now neck and neck, if not slightly ahead of AMD.
The ONLY complaint I have with the video is the ending, first is that Meteor Lake (Core Ultra) and Ryzen 8000 laptops are now on deep discount so your recommendation of buying 2023 isnt the best, the second issue with it is that Lunar Lake comes out in September and Zen 5 in late July (more like August for shipping), so next gen is actually much closer than 2025. Still a great video tho.
For an extra $1000, Intel beats out AMD for the first 10 minutes of you turning on your laptop, and then it's just a steep fall off a cliff.
Back and forth I returned my g16 that had the ultra 9 in it for the g14 with the ryzen 9. Performance of the g14 is just as good as the g16
This is Important: Did you use the updated BIOS for Intel Zenbook?
Appreciate the time it took to benchmark and edit this video ❤
The ASU’s zenbook does not have the same specs the intel has a 2.8k 120hz oled where the amd has 1200p 60hz oled
Very thorough testing, well explained and represented with graphs. Not only that but actual useful advice in the end to the consumer. This is top notch content!
Fr!
Thanks!
I have a Lenovo Thinkbook 16 G6 with AMD Ryzen 5 7530U. Is it future proofed?
Great video, thanks! 👍
So would you recommend a yoga 7i oled i7-1360P or a Yoga 7 oled Ryzen 7-8840HS, currently at the same price? Or maybe a similarly priced Vivobook S oled Ryzen 7-7730U instead??
Ryzen 100%
Please compare similar comparisions for Lunar Lake and Ryzen 9000 series laptops
wait yoga pro series are using ryzen 8845 hs which is meant for higher power while zenbook in using 8840hs which is for lower power usage so this comparison of zenbook(amd) and lenovo yoga(amd) is not done properly
Hey, I purchased a laptop with 8845hs yesterday how does it compare to 13th and 14th gen intel hc CPUs? I m my familiar with amd cpus
@suriyas1456 8840U or HS are extremely similar; there's nearly no difference, so either is a solid choice in 2024. But when it comes to 13th and 14th intel's series it's a mess - every chip above 65W has serious flaw (they have f up issue with micro code that is degrading the chip and ultimately making it physically damaged) so I wouldn't bother with any intel's chip in 13th and 14th generation.
Overall, right now, the AMD is the way to go, be it 7th or a specially 8000 series.
Just got a zenbook duo 2024 with a core ultra 9. That thing is insane and It gets like 12 hours of battery with 120hz high brightness
Nice! Isn't zen book the one with two displays?
How about temperatures and noise?
That's zenbook duo @@Shadowzz.
Dayum. My yoga pro 9i with the same CPU gets like 5hrs
@@jeffersonmp4 dead silent, runs a little warm but no overheating. It has two oleds so that was to be expected
Thank you so much! These are exactly the laptops I wanted to buy, so this comparison came at the perfect time. Hope to see you do the same next year ;)
are u buying the intel or amd version?
@TG04 I just bought an Android tablet for uni. My problem was that my current AMD Ryzen 5500U Lenovo laptop has a broken hinge. So I only use it at home. That solved my problem.
@@arian2791 I think I'm getting the i7 version then need a thin and light for college and will be having atleast 4 internships a year so yea
@TG04 Sounds good. I had many driver issues with my AMD laptop, so Intel is the better choice. Just don't cheap out on the hinge haha
@@arian2791 i won't lol I was using the hp pavillion 14x 360 for the past 4 years
Great and important video. Could you please do a video on Intel Arc Graphics vs GeForce RTX... essentially something like the samsung galaxy book 4 intel arc graphics vs asus zenbook 14 rtx 3070.
Everytime i watch windows laptop reviews and comp on youtube the more it just pushes me to apple. Sick of this nonesense with amd and intel and the myriad of distros. Its too much, decision paralysis. I sometimes wonder how much sales suffer for windows laptops because because dont want a phd in learning what is what with cpus or setups or form factors etc. i want simple. Dont even get me started to copilot pcs with NPU nonsense that “might” be useful in the future when everything just hets processed on server in the cloud anyways.
If you want to pay $200 per 8Gb of ram, Apple is the way to go.
Just bought my first new laptop from Best Buy HP - Victus 16.1" Gaming Laptop - AMD Ryzen 7-8845HS - 16GB DDR5 Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 512GB SSD - Mica Silver - Open Box Excellent for $792.99. I have long been a fan of buying used an older gen machine. but at this price it just made sense to go new. I have now broken 2 Surface Pro 3 laptops. the most recent one I paid $125 for used. So both have their place. Plus $250 and I have 2TB SSD and 64GB RAM. I am future proof for another decade.
bro pls share your experience of hp - victus. i am looking for new laptop and i have idea to buy this one
Hello, would you mind sharing your experience with hp victus? I'm looking forward to buy a new laptop. Is the screen dim in your opinion?
Very informative and interesting comparison, thanks 👍
These AI bullshid ...
Basically Microsoft stated that current NPU is just weak and can only process Webcam effect or other image processing.
I was missing this kinf of videos. Great!
Why the focus on video editing? I get you're youtubers, so that's your focus, but where's the benchmarks on compiling code, running VMs? That's what I do with my laptops.
You might have tried to do that comparison with Framework Laptops. Chances are, that it's much easier to configure those to match exactly the same.
X Elite has won some of Intel Ultra core in several areas but not Video Editing only. Just waiting for things to settle down now. How does this one compare to Microsoft and Qualcomm chipset 16gb and 512gb
X Elite is ARM and some developer Apps wont work on ARM
Thanks for this detailed explanation, extremely helpful. I'mma pass on this gen and try to wait for next year.
Is there more to processors more than their raw performance that could be deciding factor? All the other specs and encoder performance etc?
Yes. That's why Intel wins out in content creation, because of their iGPU encoder "QuickSync", its even better than Nvidia's NVENC encoder on a 4090.
Another feature is Thunderbolt which is mentioned in this video.
There are a lot of these small difference, but long story short, when two CPUs are similar buy the Intel CPU/laptop as it has better features.
4:05 That's actually the about the same % diff bruh
However, I need better performance in Lightroom and Davinci now and can't wait until next year. Now that I've seen your comparison, I would choose the Intel Ultra 7 155H over an AMD Ryzen 8845HS. Combined with an RTX 4060, that should be enough for many years.
Bro how is the core getting spanked by ryzen when there are 15% leads but only 5-6% losses and a little less lows
Heya, ! bought a Yoga 2-1 i9 with Intel 155H with 32GB RAM and 1T SSD at Lenovo Days. Costed me 1500€ (base price 2100€) . Should I trade it back for an AMD? Thanks!
I desperately need a new laptop (broke current one) and your advice saved me a bunch of money. Thank you!
This is such a wrong review... Yes, the evaluation should be done at the same power configuration, but remember those are ultrabooks and neither one of those devices can sustain 63W. Do the same power configuration, but with let's say 30W in place and you will see that AMD will be ahead of Intel. It's all about performance at those lower wattages.