He literally risked the entire band’s performance, and his reputation with it, to try earth out the next great player. He took the folder and wanted to see the kid play it by memory under pressure with no guilt. Brutal.
Sound like my Chief Flight Instructor. He is gentle when it comes to kids but when it comes to adults or students, he is ruthless, even a madman if somethings goes wrong.
The most disturbing part of this whole movie in my opinion is seeing Fletcher talking to that little girl about joining his band when she's older. Knowing what Fletcher's like behind closed doors and how his abusive and mentally destructive behaviour caused one of his past students to commit suicide, and eventually Andrew's in the future, it's disgusting to put that dream into her head when you know what he could put her through when she grows up and plays for him. I like to think Fletcher is thinking at that point, "Once you're old enough, I'm gonna javelin throw a fucking clarinet at your head to push you beyond your limits".
That's how legends made , you need to step out of your comfort zone , and if some one abuses you out of your precious comfort zone you'll reach the highest possible, i mean you can always quit if you to comfortable to step out of it
@@andrewclark6822 he definitely crossed the line. But he also pushed his student to become potentially one of the next greats. Not saying that it was right, but he did accomplish that
One of the few problems I had with the movie. It makes the guy look extremely stupid and with his "medical condition" ... I don't see how he got selected for the band in the first place.
@@LouisE-mp8lx Exactly. I was a trumpet player in my Junior High School band and I memorized the songs. Hell, I still know how to play most of them nearly 2 decades later.
@@LouisE-mp8lx you do memorize songs, but you always read the music as professionals. but I guess you can go to al the orchestras in the world and start telling them to trash the sheets because you feel like they should go by memory xD put some padding on your ass first
@@G0DofRock Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for anything he has ever done. He never does accept the blame. I would be sympathetic to his worldview if he did this. Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it. He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it. If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her. But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it. Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
this scene is about lame excuses, only that Fletcher knewing that found the oportunity to test the kid in competeition, look how he looks him all the time like a predator during the theme lol, it's like "I did that move to have you in this situation and getting away with it"
The biggest laugh this movie gets out of me is when Fletcher is speaking so sweetly to the little girl and old student, then walks in the room and his first words are “listen up cocksuckers!”
Could have just as easily been testing Carl to push him to stop relying on the Sheet music, force his 'Charlie Parker' moment. At any rate if Fletcher took the folder he could've easily handed it back over and pretended its his spare.
@@Beardboythegreat This is most likely the what he may have been doing. He may have took the folder initially as punishment for disregarding his warning about leaving folders laying around, but he probably also saw it as an opportunity to test Carl and push him. A fly or die moment. Also tanking the band for the sole sake of absolutely humiliating someone even at the risk of his own reputation is something he totally would do, considering that's exactly what he attempts to do to Nieman at the end of the film.
@@Beardboythegreat the handing back part probably wouldn't work. Usually people who own music charts themselves -- especially a whole folder -- can easily tell its theirs even already assuming that they haven't wrote notes in their book already. But having said that, he definitely have written notes everywhere in the music sheets.
Tbh if Neiman didn't know the music by memory, Fletcher could still say that he was teaching them a lesson by stealing the folder and then give it back.
@@jbc242424 idk man, some conductors do that, especially in jazz band. It's a sign of the trust he has in his players and their skill, my jazz director always walked away and trusted us to follow each others tempo and become one. It was wack sometimes but it's great way to form unity.
I'm happy that JK started taking more powerful roles with such depth. His range is unbelievable while he manages to make every role he ever plays absolutely believable. He's one of the greatest of my time.
6:09 I love this moment because you can tell by Fletcher's facial expression that he knows he won't have to worry as much about Neiman for the duration of the song.
Fletcher really is the embodiment of every perfectionist nightmare music teacher/conductor I've ever seen or heard of. Thank fuck I never had to go through that
I've had to in highschool choir. Our choir instructor was a perfectionist who hammered us into a well oiled machine. He did it through rage and fear. When I was doing a tour of the school before applying (was a private school) I sat in on a rehearsal where the choir sang a beautiful rendition of Mozart's Lacrimosa...then the choir director told the entire choir "that was a mediocre performance" and I was ushered out. What followed was four years of the best of times and worst of times in a choir ran by a perfectionist with anger issues. But we sang beautifully at all of our performances to standing ovations.
for me and evmerging when we were young it was our gym teacher swearing at us throwing metal objects at us telling us to do 100 pushups while he ate a subway sitting on the floor.
People keep smack-talking Bezos. The man's been retired from Amazon for 3 years. Cut him some slack. Go after the current CEO instead. He's actually far worse.
The way Fletcher gives Neiman the unblinking, unflinching death stare during the first measures of his performance will always give me chills. As someone who performed for a perfectionist band leader, I can totally relate.
This is exactly how all of my compulsory course teachers stare at me when I was in middle and high school....I can't count how many times I was insulted by those ppl
For everyone saying Fletcher took the folder, I can see your reasoning. But please, entertain another theory: "Mini-Me" took it and used it for toilet paper to then be delivered post haste in a post credit scene we were never given.
I think he won't be hard on her and will just train her to a mediocre level, something like that. On the other hand, with these guys, he wanted to create a monster, a next Charlie Parker.
When Neiman came in to play after his car crash, tracking blood all over the auditorium instead of going to the hospital, Fletcher fired him anyway, Pretty sure that is him not believing in his talent
@@SOLOcan Based on the ending, you can see that Neiman only truly shined when he took control, even telling fletcher "I'll cue you in". It's also ambiguous whether or not fletcher was being petty or truly believed in Neiman when he invited him to the Jazz concert, but I think the latter makes more sense.
@@anonymoususer638 If Neiman didn't end up challenging Fletcher do you think he would have found another way to push Neiman? No of course not. If that was the eventual outcome, Fletcher would be satisfied with destroying Neiman's music reputation and that would be the end of the story. However perhaps for Fletcher becoming the next great is contingent on overcoming adversity through direct confrontation of the teacher. There is no other way. Sure I can see that. However if Neiman, after having suffered another humiliation, commits suicide, do you think Fletcher will lie to other people about what happens? Of course he will, he already does that. Fletcher never takes ownership of any of the actions, he lies about his part in the suicide of his original protegee, abandons his current student when he becomes unstable despite the fact he did instead *proves* he has required dedication he is looking for, and he blames others when forced to confront his consequences, taking revenge on Neiman for telling the truth I'll now reframe the question, do you think Fletcher wants the next Buddy Rich, or do you rather think that Fletcher wants to be the teacher of the next buddy rich? When Neiman realised it would take everything to become great he breaks up with his current girlfriend. What's important however is when he does he doesn't come up with some fake excuse that he's really doing it to protect Nicole. He's brutally honest, Nicole will hold him back. Neiman trying embodies Fletchers philosophy. Yes he hurt Nicole, but he doesn't shy away from what that makes him look like, he completly acknowledges he's a dick, he takes ownership of that. The only thing that matters is the music, it doesn't matter what people think of him. If destroying people is what it takes to create the next great, then so be it, but Fletcher doesn't want that. Fletcher should say, yes I caused Casey to commit suicide, yes I infact I do abuse my students. That is the cost, it will be worth it. But when it's time for him to personally pay the cost he avoids this duty. Is he willing to give up his reputation as the teacher of the next great? No, he is only willing to take on that mantle after Neiman becomes the great. Fletcher is just a coward.
It’s kind of a military mentality. That’s why drill sergeants exist. It does toughen you up and make you more responsible or fear being unprepared. Is it worth the anxiety and mental health of the students? That’s the conflict the movie delves into
@@IntergaIactico I don’t think he knew that Andrew knew it, it was him testing Andrew’s commitment (if he learned it by heart or not) + punishing the core member fucking up by leaving it on a chair.
I had always wondered about this (this is one of my favorite movies ever) and can't believe I didn't see the obvious answer right in front of my face! thanks
I introduced this movie to my parents. They were often skeptical about movies we watched, and talked and laughed throughout. When this started, they got quiet and sat attentively throughout the entire movie. That tells you how engaging, tense and well crafted it really is.
I can watch and re-watch many films...but THIS isn't one of them. Too stressful! A real kind of Horror film that shows you that evil can be a band director!
@@Dottie1039 He's not just evil though, you understand him. He's like a pro sports coach, he has to wring the best out of his students, but it's tough to watch.
@@chrisbarron6157 Honestly, at that point I'm so hooked by the movie emotionally that I don't care. Everything in a movie doesn't have to make perfect logical sense if it elicits the right emotional response.
@@chrisbarron6157 the way I looked at it, it wasn't about logic at that point for him but about perfection. He already lost the rep when he got fired and wasn't the big bad anymore. He was willing to do that to prove something I think. A mental battle between the bat shit crazy perfectionist abusive master and the driver but also crazy and abused student.
The whole concept of "competitive music" is completely ridiculous, obviously in real life a band director like Fletcher would just cause the students to quit rather than improve. But in a movie context it's thrilling to experience
I could not agree more. Even in this video you can see they are rarely - if ever - looking at the conductor. A choir/ensemble would never succeed as such, ppl terrified and glued to their sheet music with fingers shaking
I had a director like this once. We were good. He ran everyone else off. We had a solid sound. Then a good teacher and director came in and turned that iron core into a world national jazz band that has recruited some of the biggest names in the industry and routinely goes on international tours. Not bad for a small ass college town jazz band in the armpit of nowhere in Arkansas.
One thing I enjoyed about this movie is you actually see what conductors do for a living - as in, arranging the entire piece of music, recruiting the right musicians, and then training them to play it. Standing on stage, waving the baton, is just the end point. I thought that was the entire job😂
@@randomix4023 You know I've heard some claim that the Conductor isn't needed if the musicians know it all well enough etc, but I'm still of the opinion your view is correct.
@@roguerover30k I've been in a school orchestra playing accordion and our teacher was the conductor. I knew very well the play from memory, but the teacher with his hands gave me the volume I should play the accordion. Imagine a major orchestra and everyone player playing in his own tune...it would sound like a smurf orchestra. tra la la la la la la 🤣🤣This is why the conductor is a key role to a well played music.
I absolutelly love the dilemmas that this movie brings about music in general, as a musician i know that if you only play "having fun" you most certainly will get stagnated playing the same shit forever and ever, practicing, and i mean REAL practicing is the most boring and stressful thing, you get that exercise and you do it 300x until you know it in the depths of your soul, that is REALLY not fun, but when you finally get it you can have some fun with it, in the case of musicians like andrew it will almost never happen since he will never stop pushing that limit, because he wants to be the best, and is totally up to you to know if it is worth to destroy your social life by practicing 8h+ each day to be one of the bests
This is why having grit and conviction is important. The pursue of extraordinary. The dream of almost every Asian parent. ...because being good-enough means you're just the same as every billion other people.
As someone in the military, when you lose something incredibly important, a lot of people will take that item and make it seem like another lower level person took it. It’s safe for me to assume that Fletcher indeed took the folder in order to compensate Neiman’s desire to play and by taking the folder, engaging that opportunity for Neiman to play without any notes whatsoever and by pure memory. Purely malicious for sure but very interesting to see this shown in film.
I was just thinking about how, despite having nothing to do with the military, this movie and the way the characters behave are very reminiscent of the way soldiers act.
Gear adrift was what I always heard it labeled…I left a PC laying around once in the TOC, not at my desk, and it somehow got stolen, and a large penis drawn on the care instructions label. Ahh, the military…good times.
I was in the Army only 3 years, 80-83. In Germany, the 3rd Infantry didn't play games like that they just prepared for war and where a fighting machine. However, back in the states, I was in the 1st Cav. They where nothing but a crap show. In WW2 they got their butts kicked so bad, they lost their colors. Anyway, since then, they where what we call an inspection ready unit. They constantly prepared and prepped for inspections, not war readiness. They also played silly games too like when someone leaves something even for a few seconds and some Officer or Officer kiss butt can swipe it, they would and give it to the Colonel and the person that got it swiped and his next in command would have to go see the Colonel to go get it.
Can confirm…I’ve tried to change channels with a calculator several times throughout my life. The results were less than satisfactory so I just ate a toy soldier then dumped a bowl of cereal on my head 🤷♂️
The best part about this movie which is lost to a lot of people is the part where Fletcher is playing Jazz in the club and doing a really poor job of it. It's the most milk toast bland thing you can do and he is playing as if he is soulful. Fletcher embodies the phrase "Those who can't do, teach."
I think that saying is under rated. Those who teach give those with talent the opportunity to rise above. If not for those who can appreciate true genius, but cannot achieve the level required, there would be little achievement, for those who do not have the opportunity, but are gifted. My eternal respect for those who teach, push for perfection, lacking the gift, but understanding the necessity for perfection.
One thing we can learn from this film/clip is that an abusive authority figure trickles-down throughout the organization. Whether it's a company president, department manager, team coach/captain, or the father/mother of a family... when the leader is abusive, everyone down the totem-pole tends to treat THEIR subordinates abusively. This is actually a very important lesson which society does not yet pay enough attention to.
Funny enough the same thing can be seen in blazing saddles, except in reverse. We keep moving up the totem pole, and each person seems like a leader until you meet their boss and realize they’re an incompetent moron
@@sneekiersnek3122 I'm all for 'tough love'. We SHOULD hold students/children to higher standards -- you can be strict with them and demanding absolutely. But name calling? hurling insults? degrading and demeaning them? Making fun of someone for being gay? Coming down hard on a student who is bloodied, who just went through a horrific car accident because he was late? This is Trump-style cruelty. He totally ravaged that one fat kid who ended up committing suicide, and for what? He wasn't even the one who was out of tune, right? This is what's called abusiveness. The only person who 'benefits' from it is Fletcher's own ego, and dark inner desire to hurt others who are subordinate to him. This is the kind of authoritarian abusiveness that happens in low-class families (like Trump supporters). And it only serves to destroy... destroy relationships, lives, spirits, souls. It's the kind of thing that can destroy the world if we let it be 'ok'.
If Fletcher did take the folder then i would like to see that scene. Fletcher must've been very close, watching, probably predicted he'd leave the folder on the chair to buy something from the vending machine. Fletcher then with his perfect timing, swiftly snatched the folder and smoothly ran to the quickest exit. Or maybe he came in from the ceiling attached to a wire like a jewel thief.
The likelihood of Fletcher stealing the folder is actually pretty damn high if you think about it. Those folders really only serve THIS purpose, so a thief would get NOTHING out of stealing one. And this is a musical competition. If another musician accidentally grabbed the folder, they would have returned to try to rectify the situation or turned the folder into the judges/their band director to avoid a shitstorm. No, whoever took that folder WANTED it to vanish at that exact moment.
Nowadays tweakers will take literally anything, break into any building, etc. But the movie was made back in the day where that wasn't the case. So I think you are right.
Fletcher being kind and soft when there is a friend with his child is disturbing to me. He is an agression fueled sociopath, just enjoying his powertrips
True. But it’s worth it if you finish it whole with no skips because it sometimes resonates life. Gotta go through gruesome shit and you can’t even skip some parts of your life
I like to believe that Andrew hid the folder on purpose, knowing that Tanner can't play without it, it's not impossible that Andrew planned this from the start so that Fletcher would let him play
Yeah for those still skeptical, think of it like this. Fletcher specifically mentioned not to leave these folders around and from a filmic standpoint, especially with a critically acclaimed film like this, it wasn’t a coincidence for the director to have the folder to go missing and have literally the most bat shit crazy tell his band NOT to lose it. The “why did he do it” however, is completely up to interpretation.
Oh the why is simple to understand in my opinion, it's not really a matter of interpretation. We discover throughout the movie that to Fletcher, finding his prodigy was more important than whatever reputation he had. Just another instance of pushing people cause that's the only way to reveal what's truly inside. He talks about this repeatedly. He saw an opportunity and took it. If Neiman didn't step up, eventually the folder would have been found before they went on stage. Pretty safe gamble with a huge potential reward. =)
people mistakenly see this scene as the characters coming to understand accept each other, but really its just Fletch happy that he molded someone into being a vessel for him.
It's so surreal hearing JK Simmons swear. In most of his appearances I've seen, he's pretty tame, language-wise. Even in his most unhinged moments as Cave Johnson, he never goes beyond "ass" or "damn." I kinda like seeing him act so off-the-wall here.
I certainly play better when I’m humiliated, exhausted, walking on eggshells and terrified for my life to hit a note inaccurately. My instrument just sings under these conditions! 😂
0:28 don't worry Little Girl's Dad, the trauma she will be discussing with her shrink when she's in her 30s won't be stemming from you or her childhood.
I always had this theory that Neiman never really messed up the tempo in whiplash like fletcher was saying he was. In the end with that whole "good job" scene and Charlie Parker story, it becomes immensely clear that Neiman always had the talent, Fletcher knew it and just wanted to push him (like how Parker was pushed). I also believe that it was Fletcher who took the folder, to afford Neiman the opportunity he was so desperately craving. He knew he was practicing that same song everyday after their first meeting. He knew Neiman knew it by heart, he didn't have to ask, just wanted to see the level of confidence he had in a high stress situation. Brilliant writing.
"You lost the folder?" - Fletcher "I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two." - Neiman ".....Get the F%#$ out of here Neiman! You are done."
0:15. I really felt for Tanner in this movie. You can see the twisted pain of anxiety in his face here. He was a talented drummer who had a lunatic for a band leader. You can say Fletcher's demonic intensity made Andrew a better player, but in the process he destroyed the confidence of two younger men who were talented, as well as driving Tanner out of the program. A great teacher will try and elevate all of his students to a degree, then the student's drive and talent take over.
I actually hated Tanner. He's an absolute douche to Neiman. If I were Neiman and he was screaming and swearing at me like that, I'd punch him in the face. During that one scene later on where Fletcher puts him, Neiman and Connelly through hours of hell, I actually enjoyed seeing Tanner get criticized and taunted where as I felt bad for Connelly and especially Neiman.
His goal wasn't to improve his students. His goal was to create a great band, great musicians to fill a role. In other words, he needed a perfect drummer, not a better Tanner, not a better student. He doesn't care who fills the role, his highest priority is slotting the perfect role, not bettering the student. His goal isn't a harmonious everyone learns and becomes so good and everyone feels great. HIs goal is a perfect band with perfect roles by his means. His pedagogy isn't that of a pre-school teacher. His pedagogy is more akin to Darwinism than it is to education.
@@mau5099Let me ask a question, do you think Fletcher would want the next Mile's Davis if he could not take credit for being his teacher? Personally no, I don't think so. Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for this when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it. He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it. If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her. But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it. Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
But… neiman is the one… who filed the complaint… so it was neiman’s fault… and then he tried to punish nieman… and nieman overcame.. and then he gave a look of recognition and acknowledged him…
I love how Fletcher is both a character you hate but also can’t help but greatly respect at the same time. An abusive sociopathic perfectionist with a brutal passion for music and strives for nothing but excellence.
@@bongwaterbaptist Disagree. His perseverance and determination are respectable. His passion is respectable. His perfectionist attitude is respectable. The guy may be a sociopathic asshole, but you gotta admire his knowledge and precisionist mindset. Some of the best musicians in the world are like this. Even Dr. Dre is like this when he’s working in his studio.
My favorite one is where he's roasting that chubby kid that's looking down at his feet, and he says something along the lines of, "Why are you looking down there? There are no Mars bars down there."
I didn't see no Janitor, I see the guy calling him a dumb f**k probably took it and quickly threw in the garbage before yelling at him because he was sick of playing drums.
I like how Fletcher is really encouraging to the young kid but extremely tough on his students. It's almost like Gordon Ramsay levels of knowing who deserves his ire.
6:00 i love this scene. in this scene neiman is proving to fletcher that neiman the back bone of the band and probably one of the best musicians in his class because hes playing without the sheet music only by memory all feel. and thats really hard to do
fletcher is thinking "ok kid , youre good and i can count on you but i cant afford to relax and I especially cant let YOU relax and let you think 'you got it im where i need to be'" fletcher can see this kid can go far
Same thing happened to me, almost messed up the whole concert. Band director was furious, but after the concert commended me for not messing up on the triangle without any sheet music. Lucky I have a pornographic memory!
Having not seen the film, and only seeing this scene, I believe Fletcher took the folder to see if the owner had the balls to be honest and admit they fucked up, rather than try to hide it. It's clear from his reaction that he did not expect Neiman to say he knew it off by heart and was testing the other guy, hoping the experience and dressing down would teach him not to rely on the sheet music or at least, to not leave it lying around and give it to someone else as his calm, yet assertive demeanour and delivery of the calculator line makes it clear he was expecting the owner of the music to fess up, but not Neiman's interjection.
I never thought of this scene like that, good point! It fits the movie much better than "Fletcher just wanted to see protagonist as a main drummer" one. Did you see the film, btw?
Exactly. Teaching a retard to use a calculator is a super kind thing to do. This guy is actually helping these kids more than 90% of teachers. Truly a perfect role model.
One hour and forty-minutes of enjoying cringing almost constantly. I played in a competitive jazz band in high school with a somewhat demanding leader. Granted my experience was 1/20th of what this movie depicts, Dr Gabriel Petrocelli was way way more patient and kind with us (and is still around, making good musicians better). Lord knows he put up with me on bass, a long haired kid trying to be cool by being a bit of a loser at the time.
Yeah my HS band leader was an absolute saint. He was substantially more demanding of those of us in any of the extracurricular bands, but even so he was still exceedingly patient and frankly loving by comparison. He left in the middle of my junior year, and it broke my fuckin' heart. He inspired me in so many ways and taught me so much... I ended up resenting the new leader almost immediately and had absolutely no respect for him, but admittedly the problem was almost entirely exclusive to me and my issues. Fortunately by the end of my senior year we had come to an understanding with one another and forged a very positive relationship that lasts into my adult life to this day. I still see him from time to time and we always talk for quite a while. I had even returned to the class a few times to help him out when he needed it and to knock any slackers into shape with some one-on-one alumni counseling whenever necessary, did that for about 6 or 7 years post-graduation. I made those little shits fear me though (in the best ways, I promise lol), and he always knew to bring me in whenever he needed a firm reinforcement to keep his proverbial conductor hand strong. He was a pretty passive guy otherwise so it was good to have some balance from time to time. In any case, I actually just ran in to him not even a week ago now and had a chance to catch up a bit. He finally retired late last year and just couldn't keep up with those crazy kids anymore... Frankly I can't blame him honestly, I'm 31 now and while I used to have no trouble relating to and interacting with teens whatsoever, now it's as if we're not even communicating within the same species context, let alone speaking remotely similar languages. It's utterly exhausting really, and considering the fact that the man was already somewhat rather advanced in years even back during my time as a student, I simply cannot fathom how he managed to push on and endure an additional 12 - 13 years with those animals haha. I would like to find my original band leader though... I had an especially close relationship with him as my teacher and mentor, and while I did manage to keep in communication with him for a few years after he left, we kinda just lost touch very suddenly not long after I graduated. I'd like to see him again here now that I'm well into my adult life with a few more stories to tell and a healthy degree of world weariness has begun to creep in...
Also the fact that on most shows, when someone messes up its a huge health concern and can either make people sick or in extreme situations sometimes kill. Other times (mostly hells kitchen), these are supposed to be professional chefs, so of course he gets angry when they make beginner mistakes like undercooking shit
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because you didn't fucking cook it! It's fucking raw! If it's brown, it's cooked, if it's pink, it's fucked! Gordon Ramsay at his best!
My high school debate coach had a reputation as one of the greatest ever, and I think it got to his head. He acted like this quite a bit, and this movie brings out a lot of the anxiety I felt having him as a coach.
I honestly find it kinda weird that some people defend JK Simmons character in this movie. Its not a requirement to be a sadistic bully to be a good teacher. In fact its probably very detrimental to creating good, genuinely passionate musicians. People who think screaming at students and calling them retards is good teaching must have never had a good teacher in their lives. The only credit you can give him is that he runs an effective boot camp.
@@MrNick-og4qm some people will never understand why or how adversity can help shape character. I’m assuming this person is the type to call everyone a winner for the sake of not hurting anyone’s ego.
@@Heyithinkhejust Negative reinforcement is only effective as it is compatible with a person. Otherwise positive reinforcement is a far better and healthier option if someone isn't, and there isn't anything wrong with that. Nobody is calling everyone a winner for no reason, you just need to understand that everyone is different and experiences things differently, and requires different teaching methods.
What this movie does with the Fletcher character is incredible. Shows you can be a blatant psychopath and still have a group of men who will buy into your narrative enough to give meaning to madness. Perfection is unachievable, and quality standards can be achieved without toxicity, this man is manic.
You misunderstood. Fletcher is not a psychopath. Fletcher is in fact very giving and somewhat altrustic, too. But in an oldschool way that you only know if you understand what "tough love" really means. A psychopath would have behaved the opposite the entire movie duration: -> At first, gas people up -> Get them to do their part -> Drop them the moment they stop being useful Fletcher did the opposite. IN the beginning Nieman was useless and he built and rebuilt him until he was. He then let him have his golden moment at the end.
This movie felt like watching someone go through military boot camp; The experience is designed to break you down, turn you into absolutely nothing, just so it can build you back up to be the best you can possibly be, to be at your full potential.
I was in music ensembles my whole life. I’ve always loved how accurate the representation on rehearsals and just warmups are in this movie. Makes me miss it every time I watch this movie
lol no teacher is actually like this, they would have been fired a long time ago and put in prison. being a drummer isnt about being perfectly on tempo, otherwise its cheaper to just use a drum machine instead of a person. jazz definitely is not about "perfection" either, its literally the opposite, its about riffing and expressing yourself sonically along with your fellow band mates
@@maggoteater2290 Agree, but being in a band is nothing like a piece of cake either. For something as complex as the taste in music, it's harder finding a group of likewise people than finding love. Been in some amateur bands and music taste is so unique, it's no wonder why so many bands give up or change the roster all the time. Was no different with us aswell as other local bands you get to know when playing.
@@Supertoast991 i never claimed that it was easy im a professional musician so i know. But most of this scene is just for show. Its kinda like Masterchef just for music everything over dramatic
I don’t miss the competition amongst music intellectuals. It gets pretty vicious at the highest levels, just like any other area of academia, but there is a unique twist when it comes to music. It’s a very passive kind of backstabbing that goes on.
I like the idea that Andrew hid it. Realistically Fletcher does not know Andrew is holding Tanners music (it’s possible though) and that Andrew is going to the vending machine. Such little time passes between Andrew placing the folder down and Tanner walking down the hall towards him. In fact the hallway is so long that it would seem appropriate to say Tanner would have seen Andrew place it down from his viewpoint. Andrew “convinces” himself that he is going to tell Tanner he set it on the chair a second ago, but really before going to the vending machine he hid it somewhere. When confronted he looks everywhere, and comes up with plenty of excuses of what could have happened. Andrew knew Fletcher was going to blame Tanner, and he knew Tanner couldn’t play without it. I have a hard time thinking Fletcher waited all the way until competition day for the chance that maybe the folder would be unattended for a split second. The best will play during competition, Fletcher would not sabotage his own band in my opinion.
I actually think Tanner took it when Andrew sat it down possibly because Tanner was trying to sabotage himself on purpose. It's clear Tanner doesn't enjoy what he's doing and since he has a medical condition that prevents him from knowing music by memory this is all very difficult for him. Later in the film we learn that he switched to pre-med which I think is what he always wanted to do all along. He probably comes from a musical family that pressured him to pursue music so he felt he had no choice but was looking for a out. He couldn't quit so he tried to get kicked out without it looking like his fault. So he misplaced the folder and blamed it on Andrew hoping they would have to forfeit and Fletcher would kick them both (or atleast Tanner) out of the band. That's what I think anyway.
I have...in the Navy. The Navy Music Program has some awesome bands. Sometimes, you have directors who are this intense, and you can tell by the level of music that comes out.
The line "get the fuck out of my sight before I demolish you" is one of my favorites
I can still see u minimi
Im gonna use this one day, just havent had the opportune moment
You should use this line on a UFC fighter.
kinda scary hearing it from Omni-Man
@@bellboi9211 okay boomer.
He literally risked the entire band’s performance, and his reputation with it, to try earth out the next great player. He took the folder and wanted to see the kid play it by memory under pressure with no guilt. Brutal.
I didn't realize that he took the folder....I am a "retard with a calculator."
Agreed.
what's earth out mean?
@@PhyroMcBruceEsq It means to uncover
@@PhyroMcBruceEsq Eek out, stem out, unearth, or quite simply, to discover.
The transition from giving the little girl a high-five to “LISTEN UP
C--KSUCKERS” was gold
Did...did you just censor yourself?
The door was still open, so the little girl could've totally heard lol
Sound like my Chief Flight Instructor. He is gentle when it comes to kids but when it comes to adults or students, he is ruthless, even a madman if somethings goes wrong.
@@botandrew1And my drill sergeant at Fort Knox. Haha
Lmao
“I swear to fucking god, I will stop being so polite- get the FUCK out of my sight before I demolish you.”
"I could still fucking see you mini me"
Omni man moment
@@rat_b Someone HAS to have animated that by now, I seriously hope someone has 😂
@@OfficialKryptykTV LOL
But he was never polite.
I love how throughout the movie, you see them playing these fun songs, but their expressions are so dead and/or tense.
Fletcher managed to take the soul out of Soul
Me in most of high school band in general
welcome to concert band music
They've gotta be all in sync, no room for a good head bang haha
@been guy music isn't easy, especially in front of judges.
JK Simmons just being yoked out of his mind in his mid 60s absolute legend
Crazy to think my man's still gonna play J Jonah Jameson for the rest of his career
Yoked?
@@jskrabac that's what betas think when they see someone who isn't a twig or obese.
@@jZamora87 Damn I didn't know guys still unironically used the word beta post 2016 🤔
@@jskrabac you could say j garcia is probably slightly "yoked", the yoke goes to the head ya know
_"Where were you? Looking for a folder? You're fired!"_
_"Sir. The Conservatory Competition."_
_"Oh, right. You're unfired. I need ya. Come here!"_
"I'm gonna to get my engineers to invent a combustible drum set, that BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN!"
"Your power is due any day son"
They probably had pizza time after the conpetition.
The timelines are getting a bit intertwined here it seems
"Whaddya know about the track Whiplash?"
"Oh well I-.."
"Ehh don't answer that."
The most disturbing part of this whole movie in my opinion is seeing Fletcher talking to that little girl about joining his band when she's older.
Knowing what Fletcher's like behind closed doors and how his abusive and mentally destructive behaviour caused one of his past students to commit suicide, and eventually Andrew's in the future, it's disgusting to put that dream into her head when you know what he could put her through when she grows up and plays for him.
I like to think Fletcher is thinking at that point,
"Once you're old enough, I'm gonna javelin throw a fucking clarinet at your head to push you beyond your limits".
Fr, no one talks about this but it is disturbing.
Andrew is kinda thinking that... Or at least that's what it looks like.
That's how legends made , you need to step out of your comfort zone , and if some one abuses you out of your precious comfort zone you'll reach the highest possible, i mean you can always quit if you to comfortable to step out of it
He probably won’t even recruit her based on her being a girl, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the band is a sausage fest lol.
@@tai2664I’m pretty sure Andrew was gaining hood that he’s a good person but ofc…
But andrew didn't die though. The director stated he would have envisioned andrew dying from a drug overdose but that didn't happen
The amount of anxiety each and every clip of this movie gives me...
Feel like he’s personally shouting at me
I mean right holy shit and I got used to getting yelled at by a drill sergeant, but this guys attitude and look, and aura is on a whole other level!!!
@@dudechill4119 yeah i wouldn't put up with that. It's uncalled for imo
@@andrewclark6822 he definitely crossed the line. But he also pushed his student to become potentially one of the next greats. Not saying that it was right, but he did accomplish that
I literally just said the same thing to myself whilst watching this clip. 😆
My batshit-crazy instructor just told me to never leave the folder laying around. It's probably a good idea to give it to my competitor.
One of the few problems I had with the movie.
It makes the guy look extremely stupid and with his "medical condition" ... I don't see how he got selected for the band in the first place.
@@LouisE-mp8lx Exactly. I was a trumpet player in my Junior High School band and I memorized the songs. Hell, I still know how to play most of them nearly 2 decades later.
@@Soldier4USA2005 he was a pawn to inspire his real protege
@@LouisE-mp8lx you do memorize songs, but you always read the music as professionals. but I guess you can go to al the orchestras in the world and start telling them to trash the sheets because you feel like they should go by memory xD put some padding on your ass first
Last time I played in my high school band was 2010 and still have the majority of the song memorized just from practicing it so much
"The folder is YOUR fuckin' responsibility"
FINALLY. I hate it when characters who had nothing to do with it get the blame for shit like that.
Then you didn't listen. Fletcher demolished both at the same time with a few sentences
@@Keptaro Demolished? He's talking about blame, he didn't blame him for losing it.
@@G0DofRock Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for anything he has ever done. He never does accept the blame. I would be sympathetic to his worldview if he did this.
Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it.
He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it.
If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her.
But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it.
Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
nothing to do with it?
this scene is about lame excuses, only that Fletcher knewing that found the oportunity to test the kid in competeition, look how he looks him all the time like a predator during the theme lol, it's like "I did that move to have you in this situation and getting away with it"
The biggest laugh this movie gets out of me is when Fletcher is speaking so sweetly to the little girl and old student, then walks in the room and his first words are “listen up cocksuckers!”
If the theory is true that Fletcher took the folder, then that was a high gamble on Fletcher's part to believe Neiman would remember the music.
High risk high reward. Sounds like Fletcher to me.
Could have just as easily been testing Carl to push him to stop relying on the Sheet music, force his 'Charlie Parker' moment. At any rate if Fletcher took the folder he could've easily handed it back over and pretended its his spare.
@@Beardboythegreat This is most likely the what he may have been doing. He may have took the folder initially as punishment for disregarding his warning about leaving folders laying around, but he probably also saw it as an opportunity to test Carl and push him. A fly or die moment.
Also tanking the band for the sole sake of absolutely humiliating someone even at the risk of his own reputation is something he totally would do, considering that's exactly what he attempts to do to Nieman at the end of the film.
@@Beardboythegreat the handing back part probably wouldn't work. Usually people who own music charts themselves -- especially a whole folder -- can easily tell its theirs even already assuming that they haven't wrote notes in their book already. But having said that, he definitely have written notes everywhere in the music sheets.
Tbh if Neiman didn't know the music by memory, Fletcher could still say that he was teaching them a lesson by stealing the folder and then give it back.
JK Simmons as Fletcher will go down in history as one of the greatest acting performances in film history. He was absolutely electric
Find clips of his voice over for the video game Half Life, Portal 2; he’s effing hilarious.
Na his performance as J.jonah jameson in spiderman tops this
@@Ebbystein no not even close look his spiderman role was great but in terms of actual acting This was/is his Best he's ever acted.
Agreed. He just has absolutely no clue how to conduct. It's cringeworthy. They made up for it by having him just walk around and nod his head.
@@jbc242424 idk man, some conductors do that, especially in jazz band. It's a sign of the trust he has in his players and their skill, my jazz director always walked away and trusted us to follow each others tempo and become one. It was wack sometimes but it's great way to form unity.
I'm happy that JK started taking more powerful roles with such depth. His range is unbelievable while he manages to make every role he ever plays absolutely believable. He's one of the greatest of my time.
I loved him in The Accountant.
@@markw3598
Came here to say this -
I know him from "Oz"...
@Bad Lieutenant thanks, I'll look that one up
I still see him as the Oz character by default until he opens his mouth
“I will stop being so polite” had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣
6:09 I love this moment because you can tell by Fletcher's facial expression that he knows he won't have to worry as much about Neiman for the duration of the song.
I kinda like he understands Fletch, like he's not phased by his threats, because he understands as keeping the status quo, he sees right past it
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@@juliocabrera2567 What?
@@PrinceFloof Don't acknowledge them. You give a keyboard to a fucking retard he's gonna try to type emojis with it.
After a nervous breakdown, the drummer ended up becoming a mass weapons manufacturer for the US government
Dealer, not manufacturer.
@@georgeofhamilton haha you’re right on that - thanks for the catch
Then he started partying with Teens.....
@ONTHEKAISEN We don’t like to remember that part of him.
Lmfaooo
Fletcher really is the embodiment of every perfectionist nightmare music teacher/conductor I've ever seen or heard of. Thank fuck I never had to go through that
I've had to in highschool choir. Our choir instructor was a perfectionist who hammered us into a well oiled machine. He did it through rage and fear.
When I was doing a tour of the school before applying (was a private school) I sat in on a rehearsal where the choir sang a beautiful rendition of Mozart's Lacrimosa...then the choir director told the entire choir "that was a mediocre performance" and I was ushered out.
What followed was four years of the best of times and worst of times in a choir ran by a perfectionist with anger issues. But we sang beautifully at all of our performances to standing ovations.
@D DOG Honeslty Fletcher needed the cops called on him more than anything. dude is a psychopath.
for me and evmerging when we were young it was our gym teacher swearing at us throwing metal objects at us telling us to do 100 pushups while he ate a subway sitting on the floor.
It sucks the joy out of music there by defeating the purpose
I grew up learning under a Fletcher. She was an old lady but watching this movie I felt how she was the same person as Fletcher
This is how Jeff bezos act when Amazon workers ask for a bathroom break
Don't you have a "no disparagement" clause in your contract?
People keep smack-talking Bezos. The man's been retired from Amazon for 3 years. Cut him some slack.
Go after the current CEO instead. He's actually far worse.
You're a bathroom break
@@Conan_the_Based
Bezos fake account...
@@Conan_the_Based Conan the Bezos
The way Fletcher gives Neiman the unblinking, unflinching death stare during the first measures of his performance will always give me chills. As someone who performed for a perfectionist band leader, I can totally relate.
I can relate. That stare hit me hard, man.
This is exactly how all of my compulsory course teachers stare at me when I was in middle and high school....I can't count how many times I was insulted by those ppl
I was never first chair but I was a troublemaker, so I got the stare nonetheless.
Advice for anyone who hasn't gone through this yet... You stare back.
You can’t relate because this is a film and not real life
For everyone saying Fletcher took the folder, I can see your reasoning. But please, entertain another theory: "Mini-Me" took it and used it for toilet paper to then be delivered post haste in a post credit scene we were never given.
This made me laugh WAY too hard!!!
Mini me, really.
Canon!
He could easily sneak by and had a motive, well done
The sequel : Mini-me revenge
I don’t think eva knows what she’s gonna get in to
I think he won't be hard on her and will just train her to a mediocre level, something like that. On the other hand, with these guys, he wanted to create a monster, a next Charlie Parker.
She's entering a world of pain and she doesn't even know what pain is
Doesn’t matter because Andrew actually saved that little girl by getting Fletcher fired.
He was being duplicitous.
4:33 He looks like he's about to murder him. J.K Simmons nailed this role.
Looks like he's going to burn someone's house down... with a lemon.
I have never felt so anxious listening to jazz than when watching this movie.
You have obviously never been kidnapped and held ransom by 1920s gangsters
@@Mr.UA-cam_Subscribed That is really oddly specific...
@@VasilyMusic his username
@@Mr.UA-cam_Subscribed Yo. We gotta talk about your username.
@@Mr.UA-cam_Subscribed aye you good G?
Fletcher actually never stopped believing in Neiman's talent. He forged it like a diamond, but at a very hard price.
When Neiman came in to play after his car crash, tracking blood all over the auditorium instead of going to the hospital, Fletcher fired him anyway,
Pretty sure that is him not believing in his talent
@@SOLOcan talent doesn't really mean much when you have a fucked up hand and probably a few broken ribs..
@@anonymoususer638 But why stop teaching him?
@@SOLOcan Based on the ending, you can see that Neiman only truly shined when he took control, even telling fletcher "I'll cue you in". It's also ambiguous whether or not fletcher was being petty or truly believed in Neiman when he invited him to the Jazz concert, but I think the latter makes more sense.
@@anonymoususer638 If Neiman didn't end up challenging Fletcher do you think he would have found another way to push Neiman?
No of course not. If that was the eventual outcome, Fletcher would be satisfied with destroying Neiman's music reputation and that would be the end of the story.
However perhaps for Fletcher becoming the next great is contingent on overcoming adversity through direct confrontation of the teacher. There is no other way. Sure I can see that.
However if Neiman, after having suffered another humiliation, commits suicide, do you think Fletcher will lie to other people about what happens? Of course he will, he already does that.
Fletcher never takes ownership of any of the actions, he lies about his part in the suicide of his original protegee, abandons his current student when he becomes unstable despite the fact he did instead *proves* he has required dedication he is looking for, and he blames others when forced to confront his consequences, taking revenge on Neiman for telling the truth
I'll now reframe the question, do you think Fletcher wants the next Buddy Rich, or do you rather think that Fletcher wants to be the teacher of the next buddy rich?
When Neiman realised it would take everything to become great he breaks up with his current girlfriend. What's important however is when he does he doesn't come up with some fake excuse that he's really doing it to protect Nicole. He's brutally honest, Nicole will hold him back. Neiman trying embodies Fletchers philosophy. Yes he hurt Nicole, but he doesn't shy away from what that makes him look like, he completly acknowledges he's a dick, he takes ownership of that. The only thing that matters is the music, it doesn't matter what people think of him.
If destroying people is what it takes to create the next great, then so be it, but Fletcher doesn't want that. Fletcher should say, yes I caused Casey to commit suicide, yes I infact I do abuse my students. That is the cost, it will be worth it.
But when it's time for him to personally pay the cost he avoids this duty. Is he willing to give up his reputation as the teacher of the next great? No, he is only willing to take on that mantle after Neiman becomes the great.
Fletcher is just a coward.
Clearly this school doesn’t have an anti-bullying policy
They actually low-key encourage bullying
Anti-bullying policies are the greatest tool bullies have ever been given.
No shit
It’s kind of a military mentality. That’s why drill sergeants exist. It does toughen you up and make you more responsible or fear being unprepared. Is it worth the anxiety and mental health of the students? That’s the conflict the movie delves into
Anti-bullying policy doesn't teach the victim much about how to handle bullies in adult life.
An ensemble director losing his shit over abandoned music folders is probably the most accurate thing about this movie 😂
lol but what else did you expect from the drummers?
@@ThinkHarderPlz underrated comment
@@dirtyharry1881No, it isn't. You're just another dumb fuck that doesn't know what that word means and uses it to describe everything. Gfy mother.
No shit. Thanks for pointing out the obvious, asshole.
Why don't they have spare copies?
Fletcher took the folder.
Yes, and he definitely knew Andrew knows it by heart, he wanted him on the set but didn’t want him to think he earned the part.
Ik who else would ?
@@IntergaIactico I don’t think he knew that Andrew knew it, it was him testing Andrew’s commitment (if he learned it by heart or not) + punishing the core member fucking up by leaving it on a chair.
I had always wondered about this (this is one of my favorite movies ever) and can't believe I didn't see the obvious answer right in front of my face! thanks
Remember it’s a competition as well. I can see some snotty competitors stealing it. Who knows.
The Farmers guy has really become scary and mean.
I wouldn't wanna see a thing or two with him.
Emilio Del Pozohahaah I see what you did
Because he may know a thing or two
its from those years he spent in Emerald City
YESSIR LMAO
😂😂😂
I introduced this movie to my parents. They were often skeptical about movies we watched, and talked and laughed throughout. When this started, they got quiet and sat attentively throughout the entire movie. That tells you how engaging, tense and well crafted it really is.
I can watch and re-watch many films...but THIS isn't one of them. Too stressful! A real kind of Horror film that shows you that evil can be a band director!
@@Dottie1039 He's not just evil though, you understand him. He's like a pro sports coach, he has to wring the best out of his students, but it's tough to watch.
The ending doesn’t make sense though. The instructor would jeopardize his career and those of other professional musicians out of spite to the kid?
@@chrisbarron6157 Honestly, at that point I'm so hooked by the movie emotionally that I don't care. Everything in a movie doesn't have to make perfect logical sense if it elicits the right emotional response.
@@chrisbarron6157 the way I looked at it, it wasn't about logic at that point for him but about perfection. He already lost the rep when he got fired and wasn't the big bad anymore. He was willing to do that to prove something I think. A mental battle between the bat shit crazy perfectionist abusive master and the driver but also crazy and abused student.
"flexible tempo dipshit" is one of my favorite quotes in this entire movie. I've stolen it and called my friends that.
I know he's supposed to be unsettling, but the calculator line gets me every time.
It’s fucken hilarious, like who cane up with that.
I use it as an insult against people every now and than
And the Sanjay Gupta one too, that was hilarious.
I just burst out laughing at that part
First time I watched that scene I laughed so hard I almost blacked out. It's now a regular part of my vocabulary.
Music isn't created out of fear, but out of passion.
passion can be scary
And Andrew's passion was stronger than his fear of Fletcher
The whole concept of "competitive music" is completely ridiculous, obviously in real life a band director like Fletcher would just cause the students to quit rather than improve. But in a movie context it's thrilling to experience
Passionate fear.
I could not agree more. Even in this video you can see they are rarely - if ever - looking at the conductor. A choir/ensemble would never succeed as such, ppl terrified and glued to their sheet music with fingers shaking
Every time he starts yelling I feel an urge to go get him pictures of Spider-Man…
He used a pen to burn a swastika on the last guy's butt cheek so I don't blame you for not wanting to piss him off
@@jrobbin24clicked on this reply expecting an Oz reference and was not disappointed
I had a director like this once. We were good. He ran everyone else off. We had a solid sound. Then a good teacher and director came in and turned that iron core into a world national jazz band that has recruited some of the biggest names in the industry and routinely goes on international tours. Not bad for a small ass college town jazz band in the armpit of nowhere in Arkansas.
UCA?
ASU?
POOPOO?
PEEPEE?
SHITASS??
So this is what Omniman does in his free time
And J. Jonah Jameson. Don’t forget Frank Dillman.
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS
@@white_brownie96 this planet isn’t YOURS to conquer
One thing I enjoyed about this movie is you actually see what conductors do for a living - as in, arranging the entire piece of music, recruiting the right musicians, and then training them to play it. Standing on stage, waving the baton, is just the end point. I thought that was the entire job😂
I never knew either lmao
Oh yeah being an actual conductor that gives a shit about perfection is a tough job. Waving a baton is for show
with out an conductor, the Lincoln Center Orchestra will sound like the Smurf Orchestra
@@randomix4023 You know I've heard some claim that the Conductor isn't needed if the musicians know it all well enough etc, but I'm still of the opinion your view is correct.
@@roguerover30k I've been in a school orchestra playing accordion and our teacher was the conductor. I knew very well the play from memory, but the teacher with his hands gave me the volume I should play the accordion. Imagine a major orchestra and everyone player playing in his own tune...it would sound like a smurf orchestra. tra la la la la la la 🤣🤣This is why the conductor is a key role to a well played music.
I love how this isn't intended as a comedy, but it's honestly one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
It's not.
It's really, really not.
@@RemingtonDean Agreed. It really is not a comedy. If it doesn't invoke feelings of anger and elation, then, something was missed.
I, personally, could never take someone so angry seriously.. but the movie is fantastic. Loved it.
He’s exactly like my mother shit ain’t funny to me
@@RemingtonDean Well that's it then. Science has proven non of this can be funny.
1:28 Mystery solved of what happened to Tanner's folder, Fletcher took it
Wow, the biggest clue was staring right at us this whole time!
I love the sound of many musicians tuning/warming up.
Absolutely beautiful
Serotonin immediately
Free jazz
Yes. There is an excitement that builds until the lights dim and and the instruments go quiet, waiting for their cue.
Better than a flock of seagulls, and I mean that for real, the band is awesome :-)
I absolutelly love the dilemmas that this movie brings about music in general, as a musician i know that if you only play "having fun" you most certainly will get stagnated playing the same shit forever and ever, practicing, and i mean REAL practicing is the most boring and stressful thing, you get that exercise and you do it 300x until you know it in the depths of your soul, that is REALLY not fun, but when you finally get it you can have some fun with it, in the case of musicians like andrew it will almost never happen since he will never stop pushing that limit, because he wants to be the best, and is totally up to you to know if it is worth to destroy your social life by practicing 8h+ each day to be one of the bests
Huh?????!!!!???
@@dannysunay4386 what? im pretty sure my point was stated correctly.
@@Requiario_I Agreed
Holy shit, this is so true
This is why having grit and conviction is important. The pursue of extraordinary. The dream of almost every Asian parent. ...because being good-enough means you're just the same as every billion other people.
As someone in the military, when you lose something incredibly important, a lot of people will take that item and make it seem like another lower level person took it. It’s safe for me to assume that Fletcher indeed took the folder in order to compensate Neiman’s desire to play and by taking the folder, engaging that opportunity for Neiman to play without any notes whatsoever and by pure memory. Purely malicious for sure but very interesting to see this shown in film.
I was just thinking about how, despite having nothing to do with the military, this movie and the way the characters behave are very reminiscent of the way soldiers act.
Gear adrift was what I always heard it labeled…I left a PC laying around once in the TOC, not at my desk, and it somehow got stolen, and a large penis drawn on the care instructions label. Ahh, the military…good times.
8151 more games than Mattell.
I was in the Army only 3 years, 80-83. In Germany, the 3rd Infantry didn't play games like that they just prepared for war and where a fighting machine. However, back in the states, I was in the 1st Cav. They where nothing but a crap show. In WW2 they got their butts kicked so bad, they lost their colors. Anyway, since then, they where what we call an inspection ready unit. They constantly prepared and prepped for inspections, not war readiness. They also played silly games too like when someone leaves something even for a few seconds and some Officer or Officer kiss butt can swipe it, they would and give it to the Colonel and the person that got it swiped and his next in command would have to go see the Colonel to go get it.
@@tramdr The losing their colors thing is a myth. The 1st Cav is one of the most decorated divisions in the U.S Army, get a clue.
That dude playing the angry teacher (J.K. Simmons) is an amazing actor.
J.K Simmons is a legend.
@@CeHee123 True that!
ShillinJer
Won the oscar for it!
@@Gna-rn7zx Very cool! (This is Gasmaster replying from my other channel).
Can confirm…I’ve tried to change channels with a calculator several times throughout my life. The results were less than satisfactory so I just ate a toy soldier then dumped a bowl of cereal on my head 🤷♂️
We've all been there.
I finished a puzzle in 2 years although it said 3 - 5 years
Try crayons nest time; more flavors than toy soldiers!😅
brilliant comment
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The best part about this movie which is lost to a lot of people is the part where Fletcher is playing Jazz in the club and doing a really poor job of it. It's the most milk toast bland thing you can do and he is playing as if he is soulful. Fletcher embodies the phrase "Those who can't do, teach."
It's "milquetoast."
I think that saying is under rated. Those who teach give those with talent the opportunity to rise above. If not for those who can appreciate true genius, but cannot achieve the level required, there would be little achievement, for those who do not have the opportunity, but are gifted. My eternal respect for those who teach, push for perfection, lacking the gift, but understanding the necessity for perfection.
@@joelglanton6531 and I guess you don't say "bone apple teeth" when you give people food either.
@@joelglanton6531 Thanks. I was ready to scream. "Milk toast" is what I had for breakfast today.
@@DanteRiley i was just thinking of the subteddit
One thing we can learn from this film/clip is that an abusive authority figure trickles-down throughout the organization. Whether it's a company president, department manager, team coach/captain, or the father/mother of a family... when the leader is abusive, everyone down the totem-pole tends to treat THEIR subordinates abusively.
This is actually a very important lesson which society does not yet pay enough attention to.
I don't see any abuse
@@jamesalexander8872 then you are probably being abused XD
@@jamesalexander8872 Did you see the movie?
Funny enough the same thing can be seen in blazing saddles, except in reverse. We keep moving up the totem pole, and each person seems like a leader until you meet their boss and realize they’re an incompetent moron
@@sneekiersnek3122 I'm all for 'tough love'. We SHOULD hold students/children to higher standards -- you can be strict with them and demanding absolutely. But name calling? hurling insults? degrading and demeaning them? Making fun of someone for being gay? Coming down hard on a student who is bloodied, who just went through a horrific car accident because he was late? This is Trump-style cruelty. He totally ravaged that one fat kid who ended up committing suicide, and for what? He wasn't even the one who was out of tune, right? This is what's called abusiveness. The only person who 'benefits' from it is Fletcher's own ego, and dark inner desire to hurt others who are subordinate to him. This is the kind of authoritarian abusiveness that happens in low-class families (like Trump supporters). And it only serves to destroy... destroy relationships, lives, spirits, souls. It's the kind of thing that can destroy the world if we let it be 'ok'.
JK Simmons is a force of nature in this movie. Outstanding performance.
6:01 those notes still give me PTSD
hello there
lol same
Trying to learn the drums, mr Kenobi?
is it possible to learn this power
@@alfredino724 Not from a Jedi
If Fletcher did take the folder then i would like to see that scene. Fletcher must've been very close, watching, probably predicted he'd leave the folder on the chair to buy something from the vending machine. Fletcher then with his perfect timing, swiftly snatched the folder and smoothly ran to the quickest exit. Or maybe he came in from the ceiling attached to a wire like a jewel thief.
Not like a jewelry thief. More like a spider type guy.
@@artvandalay13 yes, just like a certain someone he secretly admires.
Probably he asked his friend spiderman to snatch the folder.
@@artvandalay13 spider type guy you say? sounds like a menace, A CRIMINAL. SOMEONE LIKE HIM SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
Dude did steal Spiderman's outfit.
The likelihood of Fletcher stealing the folder is actually pretty damn high if you think about it. Those folders really only serve THIS purpose, so a thief would get NOTHING out of stealing one. And this is a musical competition. If another musician accidentally grabbed the folder, they would have returned to try to rectify the situation or turned the folder into the judges/their band director to avoid a shitstorm.
No, whoever took that folder WANTED it to vanish at that exact moment.
Nowadays tweakers will take literally anything, break into any building, etc.
But the movie was made back in the day where that wasn't the case. So I think you are right.
Yup, Fletcher likely just did it to actually give Neiman a chance to ascend.
Fletcher being kind and soft when there is a friend with his child is disturbing to me. He is an agression fueled sociopath, just enjoying his powertrips
I had a knot in my stomach through this whole movie. I found it incredibly hard to finish
hard to finish? lol ive watched this movie like 6 times
@@peytonlewallen9556 Wow you’re so cool
@@ValentinoMarino11 lol yeah sure
True. But it’s worth it if you finish it whole with no skips because it sometimes resonates life. Gotta go through gruesome shit and you can’t even skip some parts of your life
@@peytonlewallen9556 6? Those are rookie numbers.
I like to believe that Andrew hid the folder on purpose, knowing that Tanner can't play without it, it's not impossible that Andrew planned this from the start so that Fletcher would let him play
The big theory is that Fletcher hid the folder so Andrew would play. He preferred Andrew.
Fletcher took it. The man is lightning fast and silent as you can see near the end of the film in the piano club scene.
@@Plainbear Fletcher doesn't seem like the type of person to conceal his thoughts and/or actions. Know what I'm saying?
Wait, so its never addressed in the movie who took the folder?!
@@Darklight65583 Nope. The big theory is that the Teacher took it because he knew Andrew could do the job if he felt like it was his last chance.
Yeah for those still skeptical, think of it like this. Fletcher specifically mentioned not to leave these folders around and from a filmic standpoint, especially with a critically acclaimed film like this, it wasn’t a coincidence for the director to have the folder to go missing and have literally the most bat shit crazy tell his band NOT to lose it. The “why did he do it” however, is completely up to interpretation.
Well , thank you so much for this insight shared with us no nothings . Great job figuring out this “ Purple Patch “ . Friggin Captain Obvious.
Oh the why is simple to understand in my opinion, it's not really a matter of interpretation. We discover throughout the movie that to Fletcher, finding his prodigy was more important than whatever reputation he had. Just another instance of pushing people cause that's the only way to reveal what's truly inside. He talks about this repeatedly. He saw an opportunity and took it. If Neiman didn't step up, eventually the folder would have been found before they went on stage. Pretty safe gamble with a huge potential reward. =)
Can anyone write in English anymore? Damn, I can't tell what any of these comments are saying lol.
oh wow everyone knew that
@@Person-lk1vs Really? How'd you figure?
"...before I demolish you."
-The Omniman within him seeping out.
people mistakenly see this scene as the characters coming to understand accept each other, but really its just Fletch happy that he molded someone into being a vessel for him.
You say that as if music wasn't a dream Nieman.
It's so surreal hearing JK Simmons swear. In most of his appearances I've seen, he's pretty tame, language-wise. Even in his most unhinged moments as Cave Johnson, he never goes beyond "ass" or "damn." I kinda like seeing him act so off-the-wall here.
check out oz
@@roop-a-loop that was my intro to Simmons, too..I think I have the exact opposite perspective as the commenter above
Clearly you've never met Vernon Shillinger
@@ChannelUmptyThree I have no idea who that is, so you're absolutely right. :P
Invincible is just voice acting but the language was strong with great delivery, perfect casting.
For a guy with that medical problem, you'd think he would be more careful with the folder.
he was a tool after all
Even the good ones have plot holes...
@@timb37 Fletcher most likely hid it on purpose to try and embarrass neiman because he knew he’d screw up.
It's a movie
@@timb37 pretty sure the dude was bullshitting to cover himself
I certainly play better when I’m humiliated, exhausted, walking on eggshells and terrified for my life to hit a note inaccurately. My instrument just sings under these conditions! 😂
Mini Me didnt have the makings of a varsity athlete.
Sharp as a fuckin' cue ball, dis onel
Far as I remember he used to wait in the car, and as far as I'm concerned he should still be there!
Small hands
Will you make the same fucking joke every time?
@@Je_QzcY3mN0 right! Like its not even funny anymore. Plus in this context Its far from funny. They are just desperate for some internet points
0:28 don't worry Little Girl's Dad, the trauma she will be discussing with her shrink when she's in her 30s won't be stemming from you or her childhood.
what....
@@sabertoothwallaby2937 the conductor (JK Simmons) is extremely harsh and strict and pushes people to their mental limits , even suicide
@@frzd8chickensoup Lmao
@@KRoyski you’re trying wayyy too hard to be edgy
@@emilal I just thought it was funny calm down emily.
I always had this theory that Neiman never really messed up the tempo in whiplash like fletcher was saying he was. In the end with that whole "good job" scene and Charlie Parker story, it becomes immensely clear that Neiman always had the talent, Fletcher knew it and just wanted to push him (like how Parker was pushed). I also believe that it was Fletcher who took the folder, to afford Neiman the opportunity he was so desperately craving. He knew he was practicing that same song everyday after their first meeting. He knew Neiman knew it by heart, he didn't have to ask, just wanted to see the level of confidence he had in a high stress situation. Brilliant writing.
Actually he did but it was super super minute miss.
Yeah. JK Simmons communicated ALL of that with one eye shift. 04:53.
“Get the fuck out of my sight before I demolish you.” is maybe one of the funniest and greatest lines I’ve ever heard
"You lost the folder?" - Fletcher
"I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two." - Neiman
".....Get the F%#$ out of here Neiman! You are done."
Underrated..
😂
0:15. I really felt for Tanner in this movie. You can see the twisted pain of anxiety in his face here. He was a talented drummer who had a lunatic for a band leader. You can say Fletcher's demonic intensity made Andrew a better player, but in the process he destroyed the confidence of two younger men who were talented, as well as driving Tanner out of the program. A great teacher will try and elevate all of his students to a degree, then the student's drive and talent take over.
I actually hated Tanner. He's an absolute douche to Neiman. If I were Neiman and he was screaming and swearing at me like that, I'd punch him in the face. During that one scene later on where Fletcher puts him, Neiman and Connelly through hours of hell, I actually enjoyed seeing Tanner get criticized and taunted where as I felt bad for Connelly and especially Neiman.
His goal wasn't to improve his students. His goal was to create a great band, great musicians to fill a role. In other words, he needed a perfect drummer, not a better Tanner, not a better student. He doesn't care who fills the role, his highest priority is slotting the perfect role, not bettering the student. His goal isn't a harmonious everyone learns and becomes so good and everyone feels great. HIs goal is a perfect band with perfect roles by his means. His pedagogy isn't that of a pre-school teacher. His pedagogy is more akin to Darwinism than it is to education.
@@mau5099Let me ask a question, do you think Fletcher would want the next Mile's Davis if he could not take credit for being his teacher?
Personally no, I don't think so.
Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for this when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it.
He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it.
If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her.
But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it.
Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
Yeah I thought the character was an arse hole tbh lol
But… neiman is the one… who filed the complaint… so it was neiman’s fault… and then he tried to punish nieman… and nieman overcame.. and then he gave a look of recognition and acknowledged him…
One day I’ll watch this movie instead of just UA-cam clips.
I can't watch entire movies anymore, UA-cam has demolished my attention......erm....forgotten what I was saying.
No more clips for you. See. The. Movie. It's stressful but amazing. 'Fame' meets 'Full Metal Jacket.'
Pretty sure the first time I saw a clip from this movie was 2018. Every now and then, another clip will be recommended and I always watch it.
I love how Fletcher is both a character you hate but also can’t help but greatly respect at the same time. An abusive sociopathic perfectionist with a brutal passion for music and strives for nothing but excellence.
there’s nothing to respect about him
@@bongwaterbaptist Disagree. His perseverance and determination are respectable. His passion is respectable. His perfectionist attitude is respectable.
The guy may be a sociopathic asshole, but you gotta admire his knowledge and precisionist mindset. Some of the best musicians in the world are like this. Even Dr. Dre is like this when he’s working in his studio.
@@pandamera1 No.
@@bongwaterbaptist 😢
He did give nieman his due respect in the end which I like but yeah fletcher sucked as a teacher. I would hate him.
4:22 still makes me laugh to this day
My favorite one is where he's roasting that chubby kid that's looking down at his feet, and he says something along the lines of, "Why are you looking down there? There are no Mars bars down there."
@@alexfernandez6621 😂😂
There are some characters in movies that I could never envision being played by someone else. No one but JK Simmons could have done this
False. .
Then who else?
I think Michael Keaton could’ve done this and knocked it out the park.
John C. Mcginley
Gary Busey, John McEnroe, Sam Kinison.
It’s crazy how a janitor taking the folder changed the plot so drastically!
Andrew should really thank that nice janitor for jumpstarting his career and further abuse from Fletcher.
I didn't see no Janitor, I see the guy calling him a dumb f**k probably took it and quickly threw in the garbage before yelling at him because he was sick of playing drums.
@@HugoStiglitz89 no there's a third drummer in the film forgot his name and he's the one who took it
does anyone think maybe Fletcher got rid of it?
@@northcoteknights This is the comment I was looking for...yeah its hard to say but that's at least my personal best guess.
I like how Fletcher is really encouraging to the young kid but extremely tough on his students. It's almost like Gordon Ramsay levels of knowing who deserves his ire.
Ramsey is really polite to those who listen #though
I don’t think that’s how the movie intends you to interpret his character lol
hes not encouraging at all XD
Ramsey from what I understand is not so much like his TV personality. Or at least American reality show personality
neither is the actor so much like his played character from what i understand, moot point.
6:00 i love this scene. in this scene neiman is proving to fletcher that neiman the back bone of the band and probably one of the best musicians in his class because hes playing without the sheet music only by memory all feel. and thats really hard to do
fletcher is thinking "ok kid , youre good and i can count on you but i cant afford to relax and I especially cant let YOU relax and let you think 'you got it im where i need to be'" fletcher can see this kid can go far
Same thing happened to me, almost messed up the whole concert. Band director was furious, but after the concert commended me for not messing up on the triangle without any sheet music. Lucky I have a pornographic memory!
@@atomicwedgie8176 wow - I just learned a new phrase - imma use it!
@@atomicwedgie8176 RICKY!
It's not that hard to play music from memory most marching bands do it
Having not seen the film, and only seeing this scene, I believe Fletcher took the folder to see if the owner had the balls to be honest and admit they fucked up, rather than try to hide it. It's clear from his reaction that he did not expect Neiman to say he knew it off by heart and was testing the other guy, hoping the experience and dressing down would teach him not to rely on the sheet music or at least, to not leave it lying around and give it to someone else as his calm, yet assertive demeanour and delivery of the calculator line makes it clear he was expecting the owner of the music to fess up, but not Neiman's interjection.
I never thought of this scene like that, good point! It fits the movie much better than "Fletcher just wanted to see protagonist as a main drummer" one. Did you see the film, btw?
Don't spoil yourself. Watch the movie instead if you can!
Hey I hope you've seen the film and if not you really should. Also hope you have a good weekend.
He's positively polite compared to the way Buddy Rich spoke to his band.
Or Tommy Dorsey
Exactly. Teaching a retard to use a calculator is a super kind thing to do. This guy is actually helping these kids more than 90% of teachers. Truly a perfect role model.
All he has left is spiderman
And the Hulk
I'll always remember thinking how much I hated Fletcher and then realizing that it was because J.K Simmons is just an insanely talented actor.
1:35 When Omni Man sees The Immortal resurrected.
Lmao
I can still fuckin see you mini me!!!
@@reidkemp That’s when The Immortal won’t leave
Bro . Spoilers
@@James-ek3il The Immortal is mini me.
The line "get the fuc* out of my sight before I demolish you" words to live by.
More like, words to leave by, amirite
@@MrPhathix lol
“I can still fucking see you mini-me!” Best line in this scene
One hour and forty-minutes of enjoying cringing almost constantly. I played in a competitive jazz band in high school with a somewhat demanding leader. Granted my experience was 1/20th of what this movie depicts, Dr Gabriel Petrocelli was way way more patient and kind with us (and is still around, making good musicians better). Lord knows he put up with me on bass, a long haired kid trying to be cool by being a bit of a loser at the time.
I’m a trombonist in the Plano West jazz band. Our band is stupid competitive. But our director, while very demanding, is never mean. Lol.
Yeah I played competitive jazz through high school and some of college. This movie brings back some intense memories 😬
Yeah my HS band leader was an absolute saint. He was substantially more demanding of those of us in any of the extracurricular bands, but even so he was still exceedingly patient and frankly loving by comparison. He left in the middle of my junior year, and it broke my fuckin' heart. He inspired me in so many ways and taught me so much... I ended up resenting the new leader almost immediately and had absolutely no respect for him, but admittedly the problem was almost entirely exclusive to me and my issues. Fortunately by the end of my senior year we had come to an understanding with one another and forged a very positive relationship that lasts into my adult life to this day. I still see him from time to time and we always talk for quite a while. I had even returned to the class a few times to help him out when he needed it and to knock any slackers into shape with some one-on-one alumni counseling whenever necessary, did that for about 6 or 7 years post-graduation. I made those little shits fear me though (in the best ways, I promise lol), and he always knew to bring me in whenever he needed a firm reinforcement to keep his proverbial conductor hand strong. He was a pretty passive guy otherwise so it was good to have some balance from time to time. In any case, I actually just ran in to him not even a week ago now and had a chance to catch up a bit. He finally retired late last year and just couldn't keep up with those crazy kids anymore... Frankly I can't blame him honestly, I'm 31 now and while I used to have no trouble relating to and interacting with teens whatsoever, now it's as if we're not even communicating within the same species context, let alone speaking remotely similar languages. It's utterly exhausting really, and considering the fact that the man was already somewhat rather advanced in years even back during my time as a student, I simply cannot fathom how he managed to push on and endure an additional 12 - 13 years with those animals haha. I would like to find my original band leader though... I had an especially close relationship with him as my teacher and mentor, and while I did manage to keep in communication with him for a few years after he left, we kinda just lost touch very suddenly not long after I graduated. I'd like to see him again here now that I'm well into my adult life with a few more stories to tell and a healthy degree of world weariness has begun to creep in...
@@tromboneman4517 I went to Plano West too. Graduated 5 years ago. Cheers, man.
my high school band director used this movie to threaten our drummers during jazz band, and I could never figure out if he was serious or not
This film was edited so well, I wish more movies would be as well done. It was sharp and did not waste a scene.
That’s the phrase that nailed it. Wasting a scene. 90% of new cinema is just that. Filler.
4:11 the part you wanted to see
“get the fuck out of my sight or ill demolish you”😭😭😭😭
I can't still see you mini me 😅😅
This is like how Gordon Ramsey is super nice to children then swears like a sailor at adults.
Please learn the difference between TV and reality.
Also the fact that on most shows, when someone messes up its a huge health concern and can either make people sick or in extreme situations sometimes kill. Other times (mostly hells kitchen), these are supposed to be professional chefs, so of course he gets angry when they make beginner mistakes like undercooking shit
@@princeofcupspoc9073 nah he does it in real life, too
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because you didn't fucking cook it! It's fucking raw! If it's brown, it's cooked, if it's pink, it's fucked! Gordon Ramsay at his best!
My high school debate coach had a reputation as one of the greatest ever, and I think it got to his head. He acted like this quite a bit, and this movie brings out a lot of the anxiety I felt having him as a coach.
a high school debate coach with a high ego sound like the gayest shit ever
@@fwsgsdg1977 in hindsight, yeah. He was an actual politician at one point though, so he was well-known by a lot of people in the state.
I'm not even sure how you're suppose to sadism your way through coaching an activity as cerebral as debating, seems unproductive
Debate is a crazy thing to take this serious. That stuff only exists in high school
I honestly find it kinda weird that some people defend JK Simmons character in this movie. Its not a requirement to be a sadistic bully to be a good teacher. In fact its probably very detrimental to creating good, genuinely passionate musicians. People who think screaming at students and calling them retards is good teaching must have never had a good teacher in their lives. The only credit you can give him is that he runs an effective boot camp.
Agreed, I'm the 'catch more flies with honey' type myself.
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
It takes pressure to make diamonds. I’m guessing you were never in marching band at a competitive level?
@@MrNick-og4qm some people will never understand why or how adversity can help shape character. I’m assuming this person is the type to call everyone a winner for the sake of not hurting anyone’s ego.
@@Heyithinkhejust Negative reinforcement is only effective as it is compatible with a person. Otherwise positive reinforcement is a far better and healthier option if someone isn't, and there isn't anything wrong with that. Nobody is calling everyone a winner for no reason, you just need to understand that everyone is different and experiences things differently, and requires different teaching methods.
What this movie does with the Fletcher character is incredible. Shows you can be a blatant psychopath and still have a group of men who will buy into your narrative enough to give meaning to madness. Perfection is unachievable, and quality standards can be achieved without toxicity, this man is manic.
You misunderstood. Fletcher is not a psychopath.
Fletcher is in fact very giving and somewhat altrustic, too. But in an oldschool way that you only know if you understand what "tough love" really means.
A psychopath would have behaved the opposite the entire movie duration:
-> At first, gas people up
-> Get them to do their part
-> Drop them the moment they stop being useful
Fletcher did the opposite. IN the beginning Nieman was useless and he built and rebuilt him until he was. He then let him have his golden moment at the end.
@@MayhzonYou're insane mate 😂
@@zk3212 He's actually spot on
Jk Simmons is a national treasure. Take care of him you guys.
"Why isnt it on you"
Bro, why isnt it on YOU lmao.
One of Fletcher's goblins took the folder.
This movie felt like watching someone go through military boot camp; The experience is designed to break you down, turn you into absolutely nothing, just so it can build you back up to be the best you can possibly be, to be at your full potential.
Finally someone who gets it. The amount of weakness masquerading as intellect in these comments is mind numbing.
@@TheFriendlyFighter Said the youtube commenter to the other unknown youtube commenter.
Yeah except the military doesn’t involve costing you yourself
Quiet, you fucking boot
@@TheFriendlyFighterbro it’s jazz
“I can’t” 0.2 seconds pass “I can” fucking genius performance
I was in music ensembles my whole life. I’ve always loved how accurate the representation on rehearsals and just warmups are in this movie. Makes me miss it every time I watch this movie
This movie is far from a real representation of band practice
lol no teacher is actually like this, they would have been fired a long time ago and put in prison. being a drummer isnt about being perfectly on tempo, otherwise its cheaper to just use a drum machine instead of a person. jazz definitely is not about "perfection" either, its literally the opposite, its about riffing and expressing yourself sonically along with your fellow band mates
@@visceraeyes525 hmmm maybe it could be that Fletchers way of teaching is *gasp* wrong?! No wayyyy
@@maggoteater2290 Agree, but being in a band is nothing like a piece of cake either.
For something as complex as the taste in music, it's harder finding a group of likewise people than finding love.
Been in some amateur bands and music taste is so unique, it's no wonder why so many bands give up or change the roster all the time. Was no different with us aswell as other local bands you get to know when playing.
@@Supertoast991 i never claimed that it was easy im a professional musician so i know. But most of this scene is just for show. Its kinda like Masterchef just for music everything over dramatic
I don’t miss the competition amongst music intellectuals.
It gets pretty vicious at the highest levels, just like any other area of academia, but there is a unique twist when it comes to music. It’s a very passive kind of backstabbing that goes on.
So much perfectionism just to play Mannix backing tracks.
I like the idea that Andrew hid it.
Realistically Fletcher does not know Andrew is holding Tanners music (it’s possible though) and that Andrew is going to the vending machine. Such little time passes between Andrew placing the folder down and Tanner walking down the hall towards him. In fact the hallway is so long that it would seem appropriate to say Tanner would have seen Andrew place it down from his viewpoint.
Andrew “convinces” himself that he is going to tell Tanner he set it on the chair a second ago, but really before going to the vending machine he hid it somewhere. When confronted he looks everywhere, and comes up with plenty of excuses of what could have happened.
Andrew knew Fletcher was going to blame Tanner, and he knew Tanner couldn’t play without it.
I have a hard time thinking Fletcher waited all the way until competition day for the chance that maybe the folder would be unattended for a split second. The best will play during competition, Fletcher would not sabotage his own band in my opinion.
I actually think Tanner took it when Andrew sat it down possibly because Tanner was trying to sabotage himself on purpose. It's clear Tanner doesn't enjoy what he's doing and since he has a medical condition that prevents him from knowing music by memory this is all very difficult for him. Later in the film we learn that he switched to pre-med which I think is what he always wanted to do all along. He probably comes from a musical family that pressured him to pursue music so he felt he had no choice but was looking for a out. He couldn't quit so he tried to get kicked out without it looking like his fault. So he misplaced the folder and blamed it on Andrew hoping they would have to forfeit and Fletcher would kick them both (or atleast Tanner) out of the band. That's what I think anyway.
@@lamontyaboy718 your theory isn’t as good as the other dudes
@@loremaster77 ok? well that's what I think so...
@@lamontyaboy718 ok? well what you think sounds pretentious and stupid so...
@@lamontyaboy718 Bigsocks is a big sourpuss
JK Simmons scared the hell out of me in "Whiplash". I don't think I could handle being conducted by someone like this.
Watch him in Oz
I have...in the Navy. The Navy Music Program has some awesome bands. Sometimes, you have directors who are this intense, and you can tell by the level of music that comes out.
@@markmayfield2228 if it can be done with force, it can be done better with kindness. no exceptions, it's how our species evolved to this point.
@@cantbanme792Pussy
JK Simmons is just a masterpiece of a human being in every role he plays
Combustible lemons!
"It's Scotch and Ice. It's not that fucking difficult."
J.K.’s best performance. Ever. He was nothing short of nuclear in this masterpiece