Game of Thrones - Season 4 Finale review
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Game of Thrones wraps it's 4th season of murder, mayhem, intrigue, scheming, and more murder! Jeremy talks about the Game of Thrones season 4 finale, and of course Tyrion Lannister.
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I get that Oberyn had to die but I wish he didn't. He was one of my new favorite characters.
'Tis Game of Thrones for ya.
WHYYY????? TYRION WAS F*CKING INNOCENT!!! Someone, anyone please explain!!!
+slappy2013 Well it happens in the book. It's long and complicated to explain. To be short, Doran and Oberyn have been scheming against the Lannisters ever since the end of Robert's Rebellion. The books definitely suggest that there was a larger plan at work, but Oberyn was always a bit of a hothead. He was confident he could win but he wasn't in it to win, do you get me? He knew there was a very good chance he was going to die, this is why he laced his spear with poison. I would tell you that Doran is just as cool but season 5 and so far the first episode of season 6 have shat all over the Dornish storyline. GoT has gone downhill with the Dorne storyline. It is now a blemish on a once fantastic show.
+Steve Harrison You and everyone else man
Yes!! Me too and I still like Ellaria Sand even after she killed Cersei's daughter
Danearys needs to watch
"How to train your drogon"
She's got "How to chain your dragon" down though.
How the HELL did you just guess that Tyrion meets Jorah.... ok you are a genius...
GameOfThronessss yo this is a spoiler
pwetty4r4 read the BOOK
That part is not in the books....
exactly^ which means you probably haven't even read it.
pwetty4r4 have too biatch
"I did not do it :) I DID NOT KILL JOEFFREY, BUT I WISH THAT I HAD. Watching that Bastard die gave me more pleasure than a THOUSAND lying hores..."
Whores*
*More relief.
Vicious bastard*
*your vicious bastard
Boy do you not know this dialogue....
"Nothing's worse than when a character lives and he's useless now"
You saw it coming Jeremy.
I like how you refer to plot lines as campaigns
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+Rowan J Coleman he doesnt... she is literally on a campaign for supporters and a cause. lol
Travis7060312 He said it for Bran too tho...
Travis7060312 and the Dany stuff he was talking about her plot line, not her recruiting people dumbass
That’s pretty fucking accurate
when you watch an old Jeremy episode and find out he predicted a bunch of stuff..
And honestly, I think Bran controlling the dragons is a pretty cool prediction, and I never even thought of it before now. I mean, what else would they have in store for his warg thing that would effect the larger plot?
+Vincent T. i actually immediately thought about this right b4 i knew warging, just saying...
Wow the Hound fucking lived
Holy shit Jorah came and found Tyrion and took him to Daenarys
Yep Tyrion's storyline was so much less interesting after he left king's landing
Jeremy can predict the future
Vincent Alexander probably Viserion I’m guessing.
Meris makes me sad, what he said about Tyrion hits home too much...
I really liked Oberyn Martell
Which is exactly why he died
The hound lives. Just after Arya left a Maester jumped up from behind the rock and yelled "Surprise!"
You don't even know how right you are :D
Im from the future, your right
I'm really gonna miss The Hound, he was like the Severus Snape of Game of Thrones!
Cleganebowl
dale taylor GET HYPE!!!
+Likeitornot HYPE!
he's not dead
RRoJ I never said he's dead, mate
Meanwhile all the book readers are flipping out about all the complete shit changes they made in this episode.
It was a mess! Where is my dead stark!
I've read the books, and the changes were good. Some of the book readers are fucking tards.
heavy storm What changes? I only watch show but I already know most stuff which is going to happen.
thomak2305 There wasn't a dead stark. Unless you mean a certain undead stark.
You only say shit changes because they're not beholden to your beloved books. No one knows how the story ends, so for all you know these are great changes.
Father's Day, Game of Thrones Style
The best Father's Day present ever
Dasaun McClinton
i wouldnt like getting bolts in the chest if i were a father
Dasaun McClinton haha especially a good fathers day for Tywin!! haha ;-)
Cersei: Happy Fathers Day, I'm sleeping with my brother
Tyrion: Happy Fathers Day, I'm going to kill you
...
Shae’s end was hinted at in the first season when Tyrion tells her the story of his first wife - and when he discovered that Tywin had done it again that was it from Tyrion’s perspective.
6:11
You'll be surprised.
***** nope, Jorah will become Bad luck Brian of Westeros next season
Exactly what I was thinking
ditto. jeremy is a damn genius
I get the feeling that he actually read the books and is just trolling everyone.
Be a shame if the hound is dead, i know he's a douchebag but he was one of my favourite characters. :-(
I kinda feel the same way. I just absolutely loved his character !!!
***** I said "if" I don't know either and no i don't want to know. At least if we have hope, there is always a chance. Just have to wait and see. Great character. What a show!
He's actually not dead. Believe me, i read the books.
Theories of him being alive exist. I hope he's alive, and I hope he's going to play an important role. In the first book Bran had this strange dream about three mysterious characters. One of them is obviously The Hound, another most likely The Mountain, the third one is uncertain. They must be of some importance, since the dream was already foreshadowing something that was going to happen in book 5. I think he still has a role to play, just as The Mountain still has a role to play.
I haven't read the books, but my prediction is he lives, then dies from that previous wound
When I saw those Skeletons I said "Skyrim?" and then the black dragon killed the little girl... and the elder saying "You will fly"... now everything makes sense... Bran is the Dovahkiin
cannot unsee
Skyrim belongs to the Starks!
ASoIaF > Shitty Skyrim in every way.
Hodahkiin?
I made this connection as well
Just finished season 4. Haven't seen season 5 or 6 yet. This season has got to be my favorite so far. The character deaths, the grand scale, the epic battles, the development of the characters. There is never one storyline per season on this show, there are always half a dozen. And every single one this season has been awesome: the trial of Tyrion, the battle at castle black, Daenarys taking Meereen, Arya and the Hound travelling across Westeros. All great stuff. I doubt season 5 nor 6 could top this, as I've heard season 5 is the weakest, yet I've also heard season 6 is amazing, so we'll have to see. I'm so in love with this show right now.
Season 6 will take the cake for you
Season 4 was my favourite overall. 5 is weaker because it's mostly build-up but has arguably the best episode in the series, and 6 gets better and better with each episode leading up to a sensational final two episodes. You still got a lot to look forward to.
Hotpie dies
Started the whole series a month ago and caught up just in time for the final episode. All I'll say is season 6 has the best finale of all the seasons
I just finished season 4 and I'm convinced Bran Stark will control the dragons, especially with that one dream sequence he had.
If it's not clear, Tyrion IS George R. R. Martin. It's his analogue in the books.
"Nothing's worse than when a character lives, and he's useless now. Especially when it's such a cool character like Tyrion Lannister."
Oh, Tyrion...
Damn I wish he wasn't right
It probably was the whole Rhaegar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark = Jon Snow. I'm guessing hahaha.
broooo you called it
Careful he's a hero
A visionary
After watching all of Jeremy’s old videos of game of thrones and seeing how it ended actually freaked me out he actually predicted a lot of stuff and what he didn’t predict but said was actually better then what we got
I don't understand how people are still on the daeny train, when you obviously see the influence of the mad king on her. Keep cheering for the chick if you want to, but I think folks will be disappointed to see the targaryen bandwagon derail unto the bottom of a cliff when she goes bat shit crazy. I mean, I know I'm not the only one with this sentiment here right?
Wouldn't be surprised if she inherited the family's craziness.
Seems too cliche for game of thrones to have dany just be this saviour of westeros who conquers the land and rules happily ever after. Her turning evil and becoming a new force for the starks to face would be something more in keeping with GoT style.
OhManTFE I would expect that one of her dragons would set her ablaze.
SPOILER
I think aegon (rhaegars son) will be on the throne
joey ryan That's not Rhaegar's son... You know nothing!
Spoilers:
Did anyone else shed a tear when Ygritte died? :'(
im pretty mad that jeremy didnt seem effected by oberyns death! when he was describing the mountain crush his head he seemed more amused than shocked! when i watched that scene i was pissed at the show for killing off such an interesting character!
can't wait for show fans to start hating dany like book fans
I have read all five books, and I don't hate her.
the vast majority dislike her after a dance with dragons
Yeah, she got on my last nerve there. I blame Martin though. She wasn't as entertaining as Tyrion, and for her to remain interesting, she needs a lot more plot development. Nothing really happened until the last two chapters.
I never liked her
Problem with Danny wasn't her or her story. It was GRRM giving in to fan service. Her parts read like GRRM is explicitly saying "There's absolutely nothing here at this time, but I know people will lose their shit if her perspective chapters reflect that fact sooo...." Her story arc was actually quite interesting, but it should have been maybe 2 chapters max, if that. Let us see more of Barristan Selmy's POV that guy is much more interesting than other characters give him credit for lol
it's A Song Of Ice and Fire. actually.
Cool
Its okay, Roy Deatrice messes that up in the audio book too.
Nice
I haven't read the books, but I think Brandon Stark will control the rogue dragon because that old geezer told "you'll never walk again, but you will fly".
Her dragons breath fire, and Stark's represent the ice that could be a problem even for him.
and we know that "drogon" (not sure about his name sryX)) is still out there...
and we saw an shadow over kings landing...
Tyrion Lannister We didn't see his shadow over Kings Landing that was a dragon from over 150 years ago... I think, but definitely not Drogon.
sounds like you know more than me so i believe you
Tyrion Lannister Hello Lannister
Jeremy, as an author I can tell you that having a favorite character will not stop an author from killing him. In this regard though, yeah Tyrion sticks around for a while.
lol youre talking as if he dies lol
Every author thinks differently, therefore you being an author does not mean every other author has to think just like you.
Klas . S Pretty sure he/she was not saying that because The Dashboard is an author that all authors think like him/her. Just saying that Tyrion being Martin's favorite character will not save him from death, he could still die or may not. The "sticks around for a while" bit just means his fate is not decided because he is the author's favorite.
Arsio12 Exactly. Could not have said it better. (Or could I have?)
The Dashboard If that means anything, J. K. Rowling's favourite character was/is Sirius Black.
I spent the last 3 weeks binge watching all 6 seasons and I get so much joy watching jeremy's old Game Of Thrones videos
6:10 OMFG!
Hee hee. I know, man.
ROTF
Spoilers: 6:18 as a book reader I can say you got it right fucking spot on.
Haha i think he knew too
Others didn't though and I'm going to assume Jeremy didn't want a bunch of people to comment on how he was right with that prediction. like fuck man, just a quick potential spoiler and boom no issue. I have to read the books because nothing will be left to learn after all the book readers giggling away giving out spoilers. God damn you people,seriously I'll never understand why. Stupidity or ignorance. If its something else then please explain why you enjoy dropping spoilers, its so annoying yet so easily avoided. No chirp me back like im the asshole, i just don't get it......
So tyrion does meet him?
Nicholas Ucci
Relax dude, he put the spoiler warning at the beginning. You seem pretty pissed, so if he spoiled anything, it's your own fault...
Lol, I've read the books countless times. I don't go around trying to spoil it for people who haven't read them. Even when a non-book reader guesses spot on, you don't confirm it for him. For all he knows, he knows nothing. It's just his guess. I'm not pissed off, I just find it highly annoying that people feel like they must make it known they've read the books. Which is exactly what this guy did.
If there's one thing I am really looking forward to seeing in Season 5, is more characters from Dorne. I want revenge for Oberyn! REVENGE!!
P.S.-my apologies if I inadvertently spoil future events with my comment.
They really fucked up Oberyn's specialty in this episode. The Mountain is supposed to be dead due to the poison. They showed something that was never even elaborated on in the books, basically making that Maester (Dr. Frankenstein) create a monster. LAME!
kingragnork OH NO THEY DEVIATED FROM THE HOLY BOOKS! TERRIBLE SHOW NOW!
Get over it bro. The show will have deviations from the book, you just have to accept that.
kingragnork The Mountain wasn't supposed to be dead and the Maester did exactly that on the books. Are you saying the books were lame?
kingragnork The same thing happened in the books, it is just not explicitly stated. They turn hints from the book into blatant truths in the show, like the red woman fucking stannis, and renly being gay. It isnt unusual, get over it.
According to Imdb, the people are looking to shoot in Spain, and Prince Doran Martell and 3 of the Sand Snakes (Oberyn's bastard daughters) are set to be cast for next season. So it looks like you're gonna get your wish. Lol.
As a reader of the books, my favorite part in this last episode was the fight between Brienne and the Hound. It's one of those things that the showrunners have been doing where they switch events from the books up just enough so that something interesting or downright awesome happens. This fight didn't happen in the book, but it *makes sense* that it would have happened! There's something brutally poetic about how they start off like knights, using swords and everything, but then they remember that neither of them are actually knights, so the swords are forgotten to the point where they're just beating the shit out of each other with rocks. I love it almost as much as I love Sandor's conversation (or near-monologue) with Arya afterwards.
Tyrion vs. Tywin was downright awesome, too. It happened much more calmly and coolly than I imagined it would, and I expected Tyrion to mention Tysha, as well. As it was, I definitely got the impression that Tywin only ever called Tyrion "son" in order to manipulate him, which I'd never really considered before. Irony of ironies, though, I think Tyrion was the most like his father of any of Tywin's children, the most deserving of being called his son, and Daddy dearest totally deserved what happened.
Another note on the Lannisters: the name certainly won't die out anytime soon. Tywin's brother Kevan (who's in the show several times and mentioned in other moments) is still around. There's also all Kevan's kids and plenty of other Lannister cousins such as Lancel, Cersei's season 2 sex toy. Tywin was always more concerned about his personal line, though, so I suppose that's what matters.
6:12- 6:18 FUNNIEST. SHIT. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for a guy who notice stuff i would never notice you missed it pretty bad with Varys Jeremy.... it was obvious: bells started to ring which means somebody died....
so he knew in that moment Tyrion killed Tywin AND Tywin let Varys ship Tyrion out and could protect him, so without him he is traitor, thats why he jumped on the boat
Varys was not working for Tywin. Tywin lied about that.
ExBruinsFan no mate... you really think Varys would risk his head like that?.... it was the truth
Minor Spoilers (ish)
Varys has got a long term plan and Tyrion is a part of it. I can see the confusion but Tywin was not in on it. I've read the books and there is no indication that the two were working together. Tywin may have wanted Tyrion to go to the Wall, but Varys has a totally different plan.
Turner Evans it was confusing... i think they did it on purpose.... there is no indication but there is no doubt Varys fear he would be blamed for releasing Tyrion and killing Tywin.... so even if he wasnt playing with Tywin he knew releasing Tyrion wouldnt kill him.......
they changed so much from the books... so i think next season they disclose Tywin at least knew about the plan, otherwise there was no reason for Varys to run away
No, mate. Just no.
I miss Dany's friendzone guy. (Can't recall the name, the blonde man who was with her from the beginning.) He was my favorite character, I hope he comes back in season 5 :9
I loved him! When she banished him i was like 0_0
For the first time i thought Danaerys was being an idiot; she didn't even let the man speak! And he was a brilliant, wise advisor with experiece. She made a fetal mistake right there.
Sandra Pierce fetal mistake? Do you need an abortion? 0-0
Lol you can't remember your own favourite characters name? Jorah Mormont.
Oh, he will be back. ;)
It's Jorah Mormont
One thing to think about is that Tywin had sex with Shea then went to take a dump.
Arya getting on the ship to Bravos, I have been waiting for that since Jaqen gave her the coin.
Breanne and The Hound fight was awesome, and Arya pretty much leaving him to die, that stone cold look on her face when she just stared at him then took his money and walked off.
Stannis showing up at The Wall was unexpected, when I heard that horn I thought it was White Walkers.
I am really excited for season 5 already. Can't wait. :D
Same here! I'm most looking and hoping for to see Jaqen again. I think he's my favourite character..which can only mean one thing - he'll die (my prediction).
Before this episode, I always thought Tywin was asexual because of his habit of getting on his fucking high horse about sex workers.
And the Brienne-Hound fight was the fight of the season imo. So fucking intense and brutal.
Damm dude I hate how she just left the hound to die like that fucking bitch.
He had sex with his wife at least two times. Too many for asexual.
sorry to disapoint you , but until now even in the books arya didn't meet the faceless assassin jaquen h'gar , maybe they could change it in the show because some caracters are still alive in the books and now they're dead in the show .
Best part of Season 4: the Wall battle, the Mountain vs. Oberyn, Joffrey's death, or Tyrion's revenge in the finale. I don't care; you choose.
Worst part of Season 4: Ygritte's death.
RIGHT IN THE FUCKING FEELS, GRRM. 😖
Can't wait for Season 5.
The Viper's death had a major emotional effect on me
Nerd Cave same
same
Same
I'm convinced Dany is going to go Targaryen crazy and thats why theyre making things so easy for her right now.
Yeah, wasn't excecuted well though
Loved it. Was a bit disappointing that we didn't get to see a certain character make an appearance at the end, but... meh. The fight with Brienne vs The Hound was good and Tyrion cleaning house made the episode for me. Also looks like we will be seeing Frankenstein's Mountain next season.
About that fight scene, what annoyed me is only that bloody camera angles change. Why they think changing camera makes fight more dynamic? It makes it just more easy, you can do fight in many takes. I don't mind camera change when it makes sense, exampe one attack ends and wiev is better from another angle. But this was mess. Tho fight itself was great.
...why do I even bother trying to avoid spoiling stuff?
in the books the mountain dies
Ymir...i said that i would kill Historia! and now its done! i poisened the bitch like Jefory !! she does remind me of him! Muahahaha!!
Shayan Khan Yo, long time no see. Still making hollow threats, huh?
And she's nothing like Joffrey, she's more like one of the kittens he killed.
You're wrong. Tywin's direct line is dead, but Tywin has a brother, Kevan, who has a son, Lancel who are both of course Lannisters!
Also there are many other branches of the house in the west!
True, and Kevan Lannister is a good commander. But Lancel and the rest of the Lannisters are useless.
Kevan is just too good...
Hahaha! Jeremy thinks that because Martin's favorite characther is Tyrion he is safe. You know nothing.
Safe is a relative word.
You know nothing Jeremy Snow.
Its funny cause
Tyrion does meet jorah apparantly
Spoilers !!! jk
The kid that played Jojen Reed would make a great Link, noice.
Jeremy doesn't always make Game of Thrones videos, but when he does they're fucking awesome.
No spoiler here, but, for season 5 to be any good, they've gotta deviate from the books at this point. And I mean far more than ever. The books kinda go to crap and are filled with hundreds of pages of boredom. I wonder if they will be wise enough to recognize that? Martin included.
He is more likely Bryden rivers, a bastard Targaryen
I think they can offer a slow season.If they do deviate from the books to get some "excitement" it will hurt the story as a whole.
Sarper Doğan The writing became distracted. Favorite characters who lived, were almost forgotten about. The replacements weren't as interesting. And generally, it was boring. Martin didn't know or care about how to keep his writing focused, nor how to direct the story. He himself admitted he was just interested in writing "atmosphere". Really, he is the greatest bad writer I've ever read.
The main problem with Feast for Crows was that Martin experimented with leaving key POV characters out of that book and saving them for Dance with Dragons. Reader backlash was pretty huge, so the first half of Dance with Dragons had all the missing character POV that should have been in FfC, and then the second half was written like a normal book. HBO is going to correct his mistake by combining and consolidating Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons seamlessly into two seasons.
jimboa20 That's good news to hear. I;ve been afraid of what was to come since season 2 ended. Of course, can we trust that Martin won't continue his poorer writing habits? He was supposed to finish but still hasn't done so...
No Jeremy, he wasn't just some guy. He was Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell, the sexiest man to have ever lived in Westeros.
With all this buildup i just want a huge war to break out in Kings Landing, seriously have Danny and her dragons reach Kings Landing then have the White Walkers show up at the same time. Dragons vs. Zombies, Fire vs. Ice? hmmm, anyone?
The dragons are not anywhere near large enough to conquer Westeros. When Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya invaded Westeros on the backs of their dragons, it was extremely difficult for even them to take the Seven Kingdoms. Technically, they didn't/couldn't conquer Dorne. Rhaenys and her dragon Meraxes were killed in battle while trying to conquer Dorne. Now, the seven kingdoms are united and have never been stronger. Daenerys hasn't even trained her dragons yet.
Dasaun McClinton Yes but by the end they should be big enough shouldn't they?
Yes, but none of that matters if she can't control them. She doesn't even have them all in her possession.
Dasaun McClinton Honestly, I don't see Dany conquering The Seven Kingdoms at all. Not only because she will not have strong enough forces (yes, that is with the dragons counting), but her final goal will probally change after some big shit will happen in Westeros.
Daenerys is not powerful enough to conquer Westeros as even Aegon the Conqueror was hard pressed to conquer a splintered seven kingdom. Besides Drogon is no Balerion.
Wait.....so no mention of Stannis? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the finale!!!
I got a Game of Thrones Season 6 finale ad before watching this video. Made my day.
Back when the show was a badass game of 6d chess. I miss those days.
my favorite Tywin moment was when he takes credit for wining the battle for Kings Landing and his horse shits on the floor of the throne roome before he rides it in to meet the king...that moment just defined Tywin as the baddest mother f"cker in Westeros
I found it interesting that they changed up the ending a bit. Jaime didn't tell Tyrion the truth about his childhood girlfriend, and Tyrion didn't tell him about Cersei's scandalous activities out of rage. And in the book Tyrion just leaves Tywin to die after one arrow shot, after Tywin tells him the truth. Also the Hound begging Arya for death. A good deal of changes from the book. Although I think they should've probably stayed true to Jaime's confessional reasons to freeing Tyrion.
Jeremy, have to correct you a bit: "Khaleesi" is just a title in dothraki. Her actual name is Daenerys (or Dany for host).
You'd be suprised how many people think her name is Khaleesi. It's so annoying because when I talk to people who only watch the show I have to refer to her as Khaleesi or Dragon Lady or they don't know who I'm talking about
You can call people by their title, such as calling someone lord in medieval times.
11Rico96 Yeah, but by just using her title without an article, it just sounds like it is meant to be her name. You wouldn't say "Queen rides her dragon to Westeros", you would say "THE queen rides her dragon to Westeros"
protapirus
I think Khaleesi can mean both queen and the queen.
David Schwartsman Maybe in Dothraki... I don't know, if they use articles ^^ But when one uses it in English, it sounds like a name in my ears.
Jeremy's Jorah impression at 6:11 had me laughing so fucking hard, holy shit man that was spot on lol
Just a casual GOT watcher here.
1) I think Tyrion might die in book 6. Like in a war.
2) I think the next Lannister name carrier would be one of their cousins.
3) I think Dany choosing to imprison her remaining yet loyal-for-now dragons was a bad move on her part. She will lose the trust of those dragons and in the end she doesn't have any dragons to control anymore.
4) Regarding Bran controlling dragons, ooooh, I didn't thought of that. That would be really cool.
dany doesnt really lose the trust of her dragons and as for bran he wont controll any dragon i believe and i doubt tyrion will die on the next book if he dies maybe on the last one only
Bookreaders: ROFL LOL
totesmgotes98 it's not as if we are taking anything away from bookreaders.
I do wonder if bookreaders had such theories before like A Dance with Dragons came out.
By the time season 5 ends and bookreaders are still waiting for The Winds of Winter then all of us will not know what happens next.
Button Nose Well yeah that IS true. When I was taking a dump I came up with the same "Bran controlling Dragons" Theory, but I don't exactly speculate cuz my mind works like Jeremys (It spoiled a bit of dance of dragons for me). But what the old guy MEANT about: "You will not walk, but fly" was that he was telling Bran to control birds so he could scape out the landscape. Also, I dont know if they covered this in the show but+++++++SPOLIER WARNING!++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++================================================================================================================
Victarion has a magical death saxophone that controls dragons, and dany ends up in the dothraki sea with drogon, so MAYBE we we will see some dany action fighting against westeros fighting against Victarion at the same time
totesmgotes98 yeah dude people wont know who is Victarion because he doesnt comes out in the show and maybe saying Jon Snow dies is a better spoiler to write down,
SH aside the biggest problem was the complete lack of tysha, that was one of the main reasons tyrion went to see tywin to confront him about it and to try to force any information on her, it becomes one of the reasons that drives him to do what he will do in the coming seasons, also tyrion should have disclosed to jaime what cersei had been doing with lancel and others, not out of anger maybe,but to have him see who cersei really is and have jaime continue being fooled by the image that cersei gives to him, sure jaime know that cersei can be cruel but he truly believes she loves him and the only other man she ever slept with was robert and purely out of duty,not love
The Hound never got those chickens he wanted so badly xD
Didn't he get them? After the fight at the tavern it shows him eating chicken while he was at the back of his horse
TheAys97 lol
TheAys97 It appears he did. But did he get ALL the chickens?
Lol I dunno... maybe
The Rains of Castamere, And Now His Watch Has Ended, and this episode are my top 3 favorite episodes of the series at this point. Can't wait to start season 5 tomorrow!!
Meh, at this point a lot of stuff goes downhill, for me anyway. There are some cool things that go on, but there are also a lot of stupid things that really turned me off from the books as of late. I can say that Tyrion's escape was actually made lighter in the show. In the books Jaime tells Tyrion that the woman he married years early, who was apparently a prostitute that Tywin then had killed, wasn't a prostitute, and genuinely loved him. Tyrion takes great offense to this, swears he will kill Jaime and Cersei, and storms off, asking Varys where his father is so he can kill him. I'm guessing they didn't want to cast Tyrion in a negative light. Also the skeletons in the finale were sort of a litmus test, because a lot of high fantasy/magical stuff happens soon that I think will throw a lot of viewers off. It certainly threw me off as a reader. Still, great finale. Loved the extra fifteen minutes.
That skeletons/magic shit did actually happen in the books. But still, fuck the books, here's Game of Thrones!
Ehh, I wouldn't say 'fuck the books'. After all, they're the source material. No Tyrion to love or Joffrey to hate without the books. Plus, the show is quickly catching up to the books. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the show ends up overlapping them.
D&D realize how boring the next 2 books are. Thats why AFFC and ADWD are going to be combined into a single season.
MercuryManProduction Yeah, is that confirmed? If so, I'm kinda glad. Then again, it means the show is gonna catch up to the books even quicker.
I was in the same line of think as you, but that I thought about this from the Showrunner's perspective. The last time Tyrion's wife was mentioned in the show was, like, episode three of season one. I other words, a lifetime ago in TV Land. In books we get constant references to Tysha, especially when Tyrion's imprisoned (if I recall correctly). So, when this pops up in the books it's a big relevant shocker to audience and to Tyrion. Here is where the writers actually made a very conscious, complex, and clever change in order to better suit the way show has been going: they turned Shae into different version of Tysha. In the books, Shae was just a manipulative whore, this fact elucidated to Tyrion during the trial when she betrays him. In the show, Tyrion drove her away to protect her. Sadly, he did his job a bit too well and now she wants a swipe at him because he essentially used her. Imagine, from her PoV: you've been NOTHING but a whore and someone else's property your entire life then comes along this weird, damaged, yet sweet man who takes you into his care and keeps telling you he loves you. Then BAM! He gets someone younger, and prettier and decides he's through with you. You're all used up. You're nothing but a glorified blow up doll the whole. Damn. Time. Yeah, from her perspective, FUCK THIS GUY! So she betrays him. Tragedy here, they both were actually in love the with the person they thought was fake but is actually real. Goddamit! Shakespeare, take some notes! Yeah, I think about this stuff waaay tooo much.
Call her Daenerys, god dammit.
They barely ever called her by her full name in the books. Even a lot of her chapters were titled Dany
Tenta-notthat-cool Yeah, I know. It's just become a weird trend for people to call her Khaleesi, and it bothers me more than it probably should. It's kind of like if everyone called Joffrey "King" or called Drogo "Khal"
It probably shouldn't irritate me as much as it does.
I think it makes a huge difference as to how the characters are viewed. Like reading the books makes me see her still as a girl but in the show you're constantly reminded that she's a monarch. Like he said, it makes her seem perfect.
Tenta-notthat-cool I agree that she is clearly a girl in the books and a woman in the show, but I also think the show has portrayed her as anything but perfect. Especially in season 4 they have shown that she can't even keep control of Meereen, so she would never be able to control entire Westeros.
Edit: It should be noted that I have only read the first three books so far.
You call the President, Barack? No you normally would say President or Obama.
So Tywin is dead, okay. Joffrey is dead.... yay, whatever, JUST PLEASE KILL RAMSAY!!!!!!!!
Stage Lined HAHA NO!... Ramsey is an immortal at this point.
He is the most perfect character to ever be a part of the series... and that is not a good thing.
Ramsay is the best character, then Tyrion, then Joffery, then the Hound. Call me a sick person, but it's true
+Stage Lined Due to Joffrey's death, we need someone like Ramsay
+Katahn Hardy Yeah, Ramsay takes such pleasure in being a little shitstirer, you've got to respect that.
He is hilarious
Kevan Lannister and Lancel Lannister?
Exactly.
Lancel is a dumbass, and so is Kevan. All of Tywin's enemies are going to utterly fucking dismantle the Lannisters as a power in Westros. there's no one left to hold back... say.. The Tyrells.
Lancel may be fucked up because of his infected wound but Kevan is NOT a dumbass. I dont think that you have read the books because in them he is quite a character. There are alot of scenes where he gives good advices Cersei but she is not folowing them. Kevan is smart and if Cersei would go back to the rock and make him kingregent and let him raise Tomen the 7 kingdoms would go back to being a power in the world. (sorry for my bad english, i am not a native english speaker)
tommenno
Lannisters are still the richest house in the Seven Kingdoms. Lancel might be out of the picture but Kevan Lannister is almost just as capable as Tywin, just not as ruthless. The Lannisters are in a lot of trouble though.
tom sandström You are correct Kevan is just as capable as Tywin, I think the books show that well.
I don't know, I freaked out majorly at the scene between the viper and the mountain because I adored Oberyn Martell. I loved him SO, SO much. I screamed just as much as Ellaria when that happened.
There are some good puns as if it would make an 80's action movie for Tyrion killing his father.
"I'm sticking it to the man."
"Talk about a game of thrones."
"Westeros is going to shit."
"in the end tywin lannister didnt shit gold
Daenerys' story is quickly becoming the most boring.
It will stay boring like this for like 2 or 3 books..
It's supposed to be that way, according to the books.
Agree to disagree. Rambunctious dragons and a rebellious city? Sounds pretty exciting to me.
It's more entertaining than Jon Snow's storyline for me.
Most frustrating for me. She has made so many horrible decisions so far and unlike every other character on the show she hasn't really been forced to face the music yet.
JEREMY! PLEASE WATCH AND REVIEW TRUE DETECTIVE!!!
YES!!! I don't think it's getting as much attention as it should
Awesome show.
***** it's difficult to explain and it's kind of but it's only one murder to solve just watch it you'll understand it's only 8 episodes
***** Without saying too much, no, it is much more than that. Watch it if you can, you won't regret it! :)
I know it's probably the unpopular opinion, but I thought It was a bad season finale. The north stuff seemed rush. Brienne just happens to run into aria and the hound on the countryside? The way the hound and arya said goodbye was unfullfilling. Didn't need to see Bran's friend getting stabbed repeatedly then have a magic grenade chucked at him. Danny putting the good dragons on time-out while the bad dragon is out there was stupid (that was sad kinda for me haha) The whole Tyrion finds a secret pasage into Tywin's room from the jail ... what? Shae being there seemed out of place (maybe I liked her too much). Tywin not hearing anything while taking quite possibly the longest dump in westeros history. Ending with Arya.cashing in the coin and taking a boat ride didn't get me pumped for the next season .... also i guess arya didn't meet Sansa at her dead aunts after all which doesn't make sense. Oh well.
Dude I never even thought of Bran taking control of a dragon. MIND BLOWN
Best part of Season 4: Tyrian/Tywin, Purple Wedding, Oberyn, big Wall battle, Brienne vs Hound
Worst part of Season 4: Ygritte's death and pyre. Don't get me wrong, it was done beautifully but absolutely sad beyond words. She was so full of life. The 1 on 1 moment with Jon in which she was shot, along with her last words and lifeless eyes, just a lot of feels. She was such an amazing character acted to perfection. RIP
The R+L=J Theory does not ruin the rest of the books for me. Its all a theory that we are not sure will actually be true in the future - I suppose thats the definition of theory. Anyway, if thats what your talking about.
considering Martins reaction when asked about it, it is probably true
With all the background info about the rebellion and G.R.R's slipups, its hardly a theory anymore, just a common spoiler that everybody knows about. It doesn't ruin the story at all really.
Varys was like DUCESSS
Lol Yep! That's a smart dude
Jesus jeremy are you sure you've not read the books you basically called what happens in the 5th book
MrSamuel539 spoiler
You do realize the stuff I "Spoiled" happened weeks ago on the show. P.s. Tyrion dies in book 15
MrSamuel539
there are people who aren't totally caught up yet man
MrSamuel539
and their is no book 15 dumbass. i will not be reading your response to this.
actually i appreciate you not giving me a real spoiler but still fuck you.
The main Lannister line of Casterly Rock is gone essentially with the death of Tywin, the banishment of Tyrion and the oaths of Jaime to the Kingsguard. However there are a few cadet branches with the Lannisters of Lannisport being the largest or at least most well known. The Lannisters of Casterly Rock are blond with curls with emerald green eyes while the Lannisters of Lannisport have emerald green eyes, blond hair but it being straight and not curly. Pretty much the only difference.
To be correct, Tywin and his children are not the only Lannisters left, Tywin had brothers and they had children too bearing the Lannister name and together with the Freys I think they are one of the most numerous families; very fertile. I'm honestly very surprised at the things you can grasp and predict without having read the books prior to that. Good job!
I pray to the Old Gods and the New, that 'The Hound' LIVES!
if the hound lives, i will return from the dead and shove my sword up his bloody ass!
Jeremy , please please please watch and review Spartacus !!! Season 1 Blood and Sand is AWESOMETACULAR !
Jeremy
- Didn't mention Stannis the Mannis saving the day
- Kept calling Dany Khaleesi
- Called Oberyn "the Red Fucking Viper" Martell just "some dude".
I am disappointed in you. Still a huge fan though!
There are tons of Lannisters left - that family does not only consist of Tywin and his 3 children. There are plenty of uncles, cousin and so on, who've also briefly been on the show, or mentioned. They aren't gonna be extinct like at the Rains of Castamere, which was an enormous slaughter - it would be pretty easy to take out the entire House Lannister, if it was just four people :P
This is so odd, but you are the only reviewer I happen to agree with 100% on just about everything including games. I look forward to your reviews because you have a way of echoing my thoughts, but with a lot more humor. Thanks for getting me. I know that must mean a lot.
2019 anyone?
If Jeremy was gettin all smug cause he thinks he figured out R+L=J, well that sure is cute bucko
If that’s the case then the guy he told is an idiot lol.
In the books Dany is a lot more flawed... That's why I'm starting to hate the show. They just keep making Dany seem perfect because she's a fan favourite
I like the show as well, but they seem to be whitewashing the fan favorites, which takes away from the great characters in the book. An example is when Tyrion is killing Shae out of elf defence rather than straight up killing her.
Well as someone who is in the beginning chapters of A Dance of Dragons, I don't agree that Dany is perfect in the show. Like Jeremy said, it was getting annoying before when she was getting victory after victory, but this season has really brought her down a notch. She made the mistake of massacring all the slave masters, which the son brought to her attention later. She sent Jorah away more out of emotional heartbreak than an actual rational political decision. And she now has to face responsibility for a three year-old's horrific death by her dragon by sealing even the ones that are not responsible in the catacombs. She's more flawed in the books because you are able to get inside her head and know why she did what she did. The show is limited in that area because you can't read her thoughts. Season 2-3, I agree a hundred percent. But Season 4 is when reality comes knocking down her door.
How is she perfect? I've read all the way up to half way through A Feast for Crows and I think the shows done a really good job of showing how she might have taken the city but that's just step one. She's made some questionable decisions, like crucifying the masters and the likes. People keep saying it's boring but maybe people have to look a bit fucking deeper!
I love the show but that's one of the things that really bugs me about it
The Lannisters line isn't "gone". Tywin's line may have been the "family", but the Lanisters are huge-ass family; Tywin's younger brother and his son are still around (though we've seen them only briefly), and you can expect to see them a slightly more prominent role in the following seasons.
For those that didn't read the books, I'd mention something that was dropped (won't go into details), and that is Tywin's deathbed confession to Tyrion, which is actually a major thing for Tyrion. I don't know if they'll reveal that particular secret later (maybe through Varis), but you might want to look up the books for it.
How could you not expect Tywin to die?Hints were dropped all season. Davos was basically like...his days are numbered. The only thing I didn't like was the Skyrim Draugrs, they looked like early 2000s CGI. Nice review, Mr. Jahns.
Khaleesi is title.
And now it is a taboo because people seem to think that's her real name.
Her name is Daenerys Targaryen, mother of titles.
***** You are by no means the first to see it that way.
The Trial scene is my favorite scene
i really liked the finale but the skelleton stuff was a bit weird and didnt make sense to me
Yep. I thought that was super unrealistic and just like WTF.
Sandra Pierce To be fair, that scene was almost completely faithful to the books. Well except for Jojen dying.
Those are wights which are people reanimated by the White Walkers. That wasn't the first time they made an appearance.
Yeah while it's truth when they try to enter the cave there are wights there I thought the way they were betrayed was terrible, I thought the CGI was cheap but thats not the point, Wights are meant to be slow and clumbsy and they have been stunted from death in a wayas they are not able to decompose, Not fast fast skeltons
Actually... the lannisters we know are from casterly rock. There are still plenty of lannisters left in lannisport which means that their name will remain for at least some more generations
That viper and the mountian end fight shocked me more than the red wedding because it was more gory and more unexpected... and that dude reminded me of Leonidas :(
there was that scene when daenaryse sealed her dragons and it was soppuse to be sad and emotional and all that stuff and she was crying and the dragons were like "please dont leave us here" and i felt absoloutly nothing.... i really didnt give a shit what will happen to them i think it was because we never saw the dragons doing anything but brutally killing animals and people yeeah 1 or 2 of them deserved it an thats ok but we never saw i never got the impression that the dragons are anything more than simply big lizards, compare that the dire wolves which we have seen them killing a lot but we also saw them when they were just hanging with the starks and stuff they showed us they were more than just killing machines which is something i cant say about the dragons
We saw them grow and actually cuddle Dany quite a few times over the seasons.
The Direwolves are just cuter so we like them more.
def. name
we saw them grow physically but they havnt changed at all when they were little all they did was still killing, when we saw them cuddle with dani they went agressive on her because "they are dragons". they were never more than just monsters to me
israelyrex
They never attacked her until recently, and it was only Drogon who snapped at her.
They were super protective of her, especially Drogon.
Also Drogon is the only one actually eating people, the other two eat animals.
In the books and the show Drogon is the main issue, he is the alpha dragon and the most aggressive of the three.
Her name is Daenerys not Khaleesi
But REAL GOT fans call her Kahlessi
+Conye89
Actually it's the other way around, "real" fans are more likely to remember her name and call her Daenerys or Dany. Those who don't just call her Khaleesi.
+Conye89 You mean simpletons call her Khaleesi.
+Conye89 You're a dumbass
+Conye89 Well A Song of Ice and Fire fans call her by her actual name, and her titles as well.
I kinda like spoilers, so I wanna know what is the prediction Jeremy did to his friend who read all the books that he believes is a real spoiler.
I think it's about Jon snow (you'll know what I mean if you've read the book)
Google: R+L=J, never read the books, but it sounds very awesome.
Yeah, I already read about the R+L=J theory, but I think it's something else, because, like Jeremy, I've only seen the show, and the whole story about L (trying not to spoil for someone else), the kidnapping and all... I was under the impression that it was barely touched upon in the show (granted, I wasn't enjoying season one that much in the begining, so maybe. I just missed something).
BOOK SPOILERS
maybe it's the fate of Jon Snow, in the last book he gets stabbed 4 times and looks like he's gonna die, but GRRM said Jon Snow will find out who his parents are which hasn't happened yet? Not sure
Tywin has a brother to carry on the name and Kevan Lannister has children (Lancel for one). He and Lancel have appeared several times in the TV series. If there is no heir in Tywin's line Casterly Rock falls to Kevan Lannister (though if Cersi remarries it might go to her husband). In the books Kevan becomes Tommen's hand after Tywin's death, but I won't spoil anything else here except to say that it is pretty good.
I'm in emotional trauma after watching oberyn martell getting his head crushed,
Fucking loved this season and to me this is absolutely the best TV Show ever.
what if the mountain lives as a zombie?
Lol. Jerk
He does
Well your on the right track
Yeah,, Tywin Lannister was a great character,,, but don't worry, he'll be resurrected in the next season.
3.5 years later and Jeremy is still on top :)
Dat Sir Friendzone impersonation made my night!