I never believed when people would say "it replaced my air tools", I loved my air tools for everything from the power, to the sound, to the overall experience. I thought I'd give the m12 stubby a try, just to use for little stuff so I don't fire up the compressor for quick little things, and let me tell you, in the 5 or so months of having it, I have not used my air impact even once!! Everything from lug nuts, to corroded exhaust bolts, it handles it like a champ. Of course it's not as fast as air, or sometimes it might take a second for it to hammer it loose, but it has yet to fail me
Facts, I bought the stubby even though I haven't had my 60 gallon compressor for even a year and I barely even turn the compressor on anymore. Now I've just been buying milwakee to add to my collection
@@scinto23 nothing beats air tools for sure, but 99% of the time, the electric stuff has enough power to do the job. Plus no noise, hose, or oil. Air tools win in power and longevity for sure. Also more compact
I work on motorcycles everyday and I love my m12 stubby. It’s fast, it’s powerful and it’s very light. Does everything right. One of my favourites tools in the workshop. I find the m18 battery too bulky in comparison, although it’s got an advantage in stabiliy. My m12 has fallen once or twice because of its lightness.
The reason why the m12 won the other test is because it has higher speed. When you needed high torque in the 10 inch lags the m18 won because the slower speed gave it more torque. Great video as always!
If the M12 XC5.0 High Output battery was available, the results would be even better. The M12 XC6.0 is the weakest of the XCs - weaker than the XC3.0! Conversely the M18 XC6.0 High Output is stronger than the XC8.0 High Output, but not as strong as the HD12.0 (or the new upcoming XC6.0 Forge which has HD12.0 power). So the M12 had the weakest XC battery, and the M18 had one of the strongest. Cells below are Samsung INR18650-xxx series; I'll just show the last charcters: M12 XC5.0 High Output: -25S cells rated 35A; 2x35A = 70A M12 XC3.0: -15M cells rated 23A; 2x23A = 46A M12 XC6.0: -30Q cells rated 15A; 2x15A = 30A So peak power on the XC3.0 is 50% higher than the XC6.0. Peak power on the XC5.0 High Output is more than *twice* as powerful as the XC6.0. While the XC3.0 would be drained by the time of the 10 inch lag bolt test, the test was about power, so it would have been faster. Swapping batteries between tasks is reasonable in real life.
Thanks for comparing these two. Going m12 1/2” and m18 high torque 1/2”… should get me through every job. (And I highly recommend the 3/8” right angle ratchet for anyone reading this… LOVE IT!)
Makes sense. Virtually the same for the most part. I’m guessing the M12 has seen more use - it’s had a chance for the grease to get pounded out of the gear teeth before it heats up again and the grease can redistribute, giving it an advantage under normal loads. The M18 really comes alive for the long fasteners, and it maintains its power under those heavier loads where the M12 tends to taper off.
I've been wanting to see this comparison. I think they're so close that it comes down to which platform you are on or want to be on. M12 for me. Great video.
A couple notes for testing - If you use a washer on your lag bolts you can tell when the bolt is tight because they washer will deform. Much easier to tell. If you could leave the times up on the screen longer that would be great. Great video man.
Forget the m18 Sutbby, the NEW Mid-Torque "Stubby* is AWESOME! It's only an anvil size longer than the M12 Sutbby version but has the power of 650 ft lbs worth of torque! Seriously, my new favorite go-to mechanic tool!
Not sure how many people are driving in lags without pilot holes, but very interesting comparo as usual. Would like to see a "real world" scenario of taking off 2 wheels with 8 lag bolts each (as in rotating tires) and see which can do it, and what the battery life will be at the end. Obviously the M18 battery life, at that size, and HO, should last longer but if the M12 stubby gets the job done then it's a M12 vs M18 platform decision of what other tools one would need/want. For the DIYer either is good. For the pro in the trades I'm sure there are other considerations.
I got the M18 3/8 inch stubby because it was cheaper than the M12 3/8 inch stubby. I really like it. I really like using 3/8 inch impact sockets where I can too.
Thank you! Searched all over for this exact tool comparison! Eventually I will have both but for my immediate use it looks like I can go with the m12 for the compact aspect and it will take care of me just fine for now. Have the high torque for big stuff anyway.
Thanks for uploading a comparison between the two. They seem pretty evenly matched, to which I'm not surprised. I love my 3/8 stubby and I also picked up the 2767 High torque (got it off the marketplace) and I may look for the mid-torque as well.
Any tool will last longer if u use it less than its full potential. M18 for heavier uses. M12 for lighter use. Why would u wanna kill your M12 prematurely?
Just goes to show, Milwaukee builds their 12/18 volt platform to satisfy each voltage platform. If you invest in the batteries, Milwaukee performs. The impact drill driver would beat them both. With lag screws, it’s about speed. These tools excell with torque, not speed. Lag bolts in wood create heat and drag, the impacts you’re testing remove finer threaded bolts with less drag after torque tightened because they are pre-threaded, and 99% like materials. Results may be similar but way faster with threaded bolts and receivers with like materials.
Do you have the m18 as well? And what size battery do you use for the m12? Curious how many hours it lasts with the size you use. (of course I just mean work hours not runtime hours. Assuming you use it regularly on most bolts)
@@onetteness6778 i use the the m12 stubby with a 6amp battery and after a whole day doing brake jobs in a day it only drained a quarter of the battery, considering i was taking wheel nuts off with it, it’s amazing
@WHO WHO WALKWA not sure about the 1/2 cause I don't have that one I have the 3/8 I use like to replace valve cover gaskets brake jobs alot of thing like for removing things on a engine when I remove it but the 1/2 I'm guessing you could remove tires and other harder things
I bought the 3/8 and 1/2" stubbys... I originally started with the 1/2" and then found a refurbished 3/8" for $100 on eBay, could not pass that up. I have been using the 3/8" more so than the 1/2" working on a Cummins ISX. I looked at the M18 version, and went with the 2962 1/2" mid-torque instead. I know I will have uses for all of these. And I tell ya, that little 3/8" stubby is the BOMB! It surprised the hell out of me, removing tough fasteners with ease.
ah, exactly what i thought, the m12 is lighter and just as powerful but the battery drains differently vs the m18. m18 is clunky but lasts all day or more , really depends on what you do
I have an idea on how you can get every time the same depth of driving in the lags, just count the required rotations of the socket when it hits the wood and you cannot see the lag's progress anymore, by using either the detent hole or the markings as reference. Awesome vid as always 👍
That's actually nice to know. I have a M12 stuby and it's awesome especially it's size and the fact that it can take off lug nuts with pretty much no problem so it's awesome to carry in the trunk just in case. I definitely wouldn't switch over to the M18 seeing this video. If they made a higher amp battery for the M12 it would last just as long. Considering that the M18 batteries cost a lot more you can just get an extra for the M12.
I’m curious if the m18 was hamstringd a little, by driving the lags so close together, the m12 got the first pull each time and the m18 had to drive through what was possibly denser wood due to the deformation from the m12 lags being so close.
Going to try to get the m12 stubby and the tiny battery. I like using my m18 mid and hi torques but the stubby seems like a good tool for the 8-12mm fasteners. They both seem like great tools but the weight and size of the m18’s is unnecessary for light and fast.
Just got the m12 1/2 stubby with 6ah battery. It can't remove any nuts on my Luton sprinter van 2015 not even close. Wheels not been off for a while and overtightend no doubt. It's powerfull but had to crack them all by hand with telescopic strong bar first run so make sure that stays in the boot it your planning on relaying on it. Only tight as the stubby can go now so hopefully won't be a problem with overtightend nuts next time as they still will be over factory torque settings tight if the stubbys max torque is true. if your looking to remove wheels and dont mind cracking the odd bolt by hand it's a good tool and has enough power to put them back securely to.
It looks like there's a massive flaw in your testing here. If you look at the times, M12 is faster going in, and M18 is faster going out, both by a large margin. This doesn't really make too much sense unless the first lag is causing the wood to get "pressurized" and "stiff". -This would explain why when you put the first lag in with me M12, it has a fast time because there's nothing increasing the wood's pressure. The second lag with the M18 has a slow time because the wood is now pressurized from the first lag. Coming out you have the same problem: -When removing, the wood is still pressurized because there are 2 lags. So removing with the M12 takes longer. And removing with the M18 takes less time because there's only 1 lag left.
The people doing these comparisons with impacts should also show them taking off lugs on different size tires since alot of people will use it to change a tire
GREAT VIDEO DAVE NICKOLAS FANTASTIC DEMONSTRATION KEEP UP THE GREAT INFORMATIVE KNOWLEDGE. IF YOU CAN DO A COMPARISON LIKE THE MAKITA VS THE MILWAUKEE IN THE SAME VIDEO LIKE THIS WILL BE GREAT TO SEE. CHEERS CHAMP
Looks like I’m not gonna upgrade to the m18! I have the m12 and two 6ah batteries. Crazy performance from a 12 volt tool. The m18 was only winning the last test because 12 volt tools will discharge faster.
Im no physics teacher but wouldnt putting lags close together more stress and force on the second lag time? As it burrows in, it has less play and more force for the surrounding area to expand out .
@@ManCaverTools im well aware of the these tools for exceed most every use but as to true time comparison .. What ever still awesome channel.. One of most unbiased reviews compared to others
@@aidangattinger8975 the batteries wouldn’t have the same watt hour rating. Watt hour rating is determined by volts x amp hour rating of the cells. Therefore he’d need a 2.0 m18 battery and a 3.0 m12 battery.
I have a m18 mid torque. I'm getting a m12 stubby just because it's overall so much more compact than the m18 stubby. Figure it's better to work with.. lol
They are exactly the same, but I guess you have to give the edge for M12 for speed and size, while you gain runtime with m18. It seems to make more sense to upgrade to the mid torque if you want a huge difference.
I like the size of the m12 better but I only have m18 batteries and only 1 small m12 battery without the base for a 1/4 ratchet I have. Given that info you think it’s worth buying a couple more batteries and get the smaller tool or just go with m18 as I have like 5 of those batteries and just buy the tool. I work in automotive industry
Hi, Would like to see if there's a big difference between the two milwaukee impact wrench models (2754) 3/8" or (2755) 1/2" - vs - the new m18 compact impact wrench. Thanks for this video
@@brutostaliano5566 I doubt that's the reason, why spend money on research and development on a brand new tool just to pursued people to buy the older, and less expensive tool?
Why not get the m12 when it's more compact overall, cheaper, does evenly or better thans its bigger sibling!? But again battery life when it comes down , job wise. Good results and tests! 😎👍
I’m just a shade tree mechanic and I use my M12 stubby for little mechanic jobs... it is perfect for that. I’m not using it all day every day and don’t need as long of battery life. My kit came with two batteries and I always have one charged or charging so I never have run out of battery life while doing a job.
I've been having very good luck with the M12 Chinese knock off batteries, 3 and 6 amp. I primarily use the 3 amp, as it does not get in the way in tight spaces.
I have both, get the 3/8" stubby. No clue, but it seems to work better than the 1/2", and that is the only difference between the two, they are both identical other than the anvil.
Is that small price difference only with these 2 types of hardware from Milwaukee. Where i live the difference between m12 and m18 is sometimes $200. The tools need to be imported here. But if the difference is just like $20-30 thats just insane!
Good stuff Dave! For the answer - Is it worth it? It is for all the people like me that have many m18 batteries but don't plan to buy m12 in the near future. I wonder why the M18 didn't won most of the test. I've already seen in another channel that the m18 had more power around the 250 ft pounds of torque and above near the rated max the m12 couldn't keep going much more above that.
@@shanew7361 Where? Here? I saw it at shop tool reviews m12 didn't get to 300 ft pounds torque. Neither did the Ridgid "stubby" I feel like this is more a test of speed rather loosening power...
MrSubaru was about same until the M18 took 2 lugs vs 1 m12 the stubby. Workshopaddicts says the M18 feels more powerful... I don't know where you saw this?
the kind of tests I do is stress tests on the motor to see which ones start to give out at a certain kind of test. that's why its good to have different channel performing different tests
I have the M12 and I find it pretty bad, it struggles a lot on lots of jobs. Facebook groups tend to blame the battery choice and say the 2Ah makes less torque than other batteries. Be interested to see that test if you can run it.
The batteries make a massive difference. I have the 2.0 batteries and the 4.0. the 4.0 puts out higher torque and lasts much more than the double you might expect.
I love my M12 Stubby 1/2" Friction Ring! It's what got me into Milwaukee's M12 line of tools. I always wondered how these two would compare. They're basically evenly matched in some ways, but the M12 itself edges out the M18. The M12 can definitely get into very tight spaces, and that battery of the M18 can get in the way, whereas, the M12, you can switch it to either the CP 2.0 or CP 3.0 battery to maximize the amount of power output, but with the compactness when you're in a physically tight position. I guess the only ways to justify the M18 Compact is if you DON'T have the M12 platform, but you want something small and have only M18 tools, the M18 compact is the way to go. Plus, it has the tri-LEDs on the M18 Compact. Although the Stubby is the way to go. Great to go alongside the M18 Mid-Torque impact wrench.
Dave it kinda looks like they are using the 2853-20 body but added a impact driver to it. I wouner if the new 1/2 in mid is going to use the 12v stubby body but make it 18v power
Ok guy I really need opinions I'm stuck between the m12 and m18. I bought a project jeep and she is rusty af ( Michigan vehicle ) I have the money for one but I'm really stuck between these 2 I really thought the m18 would out perform but now I have really mixed feelings. Please help lol
if you need more power then what these can do you can get the new mid range version of the m18 impact driver that has 600 ft lbs of nut busting torque. but if you these do impacts do the trick id go with the m12 if you have enough batteries for it. if you need the more battery duration id go with the m18.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but that M12 battery is NOT high output. The M18 battery IS high output. That would give an upper hand to the m18.
@@ManCaverTools at 1.19 you said both tools require high output batteries. But then you show a regular 6.0 in the M12. If you are implying that high output batteries don't add any power then I'd have to disagree with you. Anyways I really enjoyed the video. I'm blown away by the M12. Even with the regular battery it still kicks ass against the bigger stubby with a HO battery!. And in the future they will come out with bigger 12 volt HO batteries than the 5.0 HO you can get now.
@@NonieTools I'm using the Chinese knock offs, 3 amp and 6 amp on the M12, no issues, busting everything loose I have come across. Currently working on a bad delete on a Cummins ISX, have the entire turbo/right side of the motor torn down right now.
I don't see the point of a stubby when you have right angle impacts which are way more compact. Also I would use the stubby in 3/8 since you are working in tight spaces anyways.
Have the right angle m12 3/8 and ended up borrowing a m18 stubby because the right angle wouldn't budge a 19mm caliper bolt . Was thinking about getting the stubby but would go with the m12 if I do
I never believed when people would say "it replaced my air tools", I loved my air tools for everything from the power, to the sound, to the overall experience. I thought I'd give the m12 stubby a try, just to use for little stuff so I don't fire up the compressor for quick little things, and let me tell you, in the 5 or so months of having it, I have not used my air impact even once!! Everything from lug nuts, to corroded exhaust bolts, it handles it like a champ. Of course it's not as fast as air, or sometimes it might take a second for it to hammer it loose, but it has yet to fail me
these impact wrenches are powerful now, its crazy and I thank you for your story Raffi :)
Facts, I bought the stubby even though I haven't had my 60 gallon compressor for even a year and I barely even turn the compressor on anymore. Now I've just been buying milwakee to add to my collection
Bout a 30 gal Kobalt for use at home, then I got a m18 mid torque a month later on sale. Nothing beats air tools but these come close.
@@scinto23 nothing beats air tools for sure, but 99% of the time, the electric stuff has enough power to do the job. Plus no noise, hose, or oil. Air tools win in power and longevity for sure. Also more compact
@@raffi2287 Agreed
I work on motorcycles everyday and I love my m12 stubby. It’s fast, it’s powerful and it’s very light. Does everything right. One of my favourites tools in the workshop. I find the m18 battery too bulky in comparison, although it’s got an advantage in stabiliy. My m12 has fallen once or twice because of its lightness.
The reason why the m12 won the other test is because it has higher speed. When you needed high torque in the 10 inch lags the m18 won because the slower speed gave it more torque. Great video as always!
Agreed!
I thank you for the input Vane and I thank you for viewing :)
So when doing continuous rigorous work, the m18 is better ? For lighter quick jobs the m12 would be preferred.
I dont think that is right. Other channels show the m12 having more tourque.
If the M12 XC5.0 High Output battery was available, the results would be even better. The M12 XC6.0 is the weakest of the XCs - weaker than the XC3.0!
Conversely the M18 XC6.0 High Output is stronger than the XC8.0 High Output, but not as strong as the HD12.0 (or the new upcoming XC6.0 Forge which has HD12.0 power).
So the M12 had the weakest XC battery, and the M18 had one of the strongest.
Cells below are Samsung INR18650-xxx series; I'll just show the last charcters:
M12 XC5.0 High Output: -25S cells rated 35A; 2x35A = 70A
M12 XC3.0: -15M cells rated 23A; 2x23A = 46A
M12 XC6.0: -30Q cells rated 15A; 2x15A = 30A
So peak power on the XC3.0 is 50% higher than the XC6.0. Peak power on the XC5.0 High Output is more than *twice* as powerful as the XC6.0.
While the XC3.0 would be drained by the time of the 10 inch lag bolt test, the test was about power, so it would have been faster. Swapping batteries between tasks is reasonable in real life.
Thanks for comparing these two. Going m12 1/2” and m18 high torque 1/2”… should get me through every job. (And I highly recommend the 3/8” right angle ratchet for anyone reading this… LOVE IT!)
Right angle ratchet??? Don't you mean the "right angle impact".
@@megatonesilva6546 the right angle impact is different than the right angle ratchet. Still a great tool though
Makes sense. Virtually the same for the most part. I’m guessing the M12 has seen more use - it’s had a chance for the grease to get pounded out of the gear teeth before it heats up again and the grease can redistribute, giving it an advantage under normal loads. The M18 really comes alive for the long fasteners, and it maintains its power under those heavier loads where the M12 tends to taper off.
you are correct on that one and I thank you for your input Kevin
Wish they had the tri-light on the m12
Impressive with the 10" lag bolt
I thank you for viewing
Def on the light.
I've been wanting to see this comparison. I think they're so close that it comes down to which platform you are on or want to be on. M12 for me. Great video.
I love the m12 system over the m18
i got the m18 version for my truck, just to have in there. my m12 stays in the shop and gets extensive use.
yup I agree M12 for Me as well
M12 for my uses. The M12 stubby impact wrench is a beast, no joke. Saves me so much time and effort while working on my car.
A couple notes for testing - If you use a washer on your lag bolts you can tell when the bolt is tight because they washer will deform. Much easier to tell.
If you could leave the times up on the screen longer that would be great.
Great video man.
Forget the m18 Sutbby, the NEW Mid-Torque "Stubby* is AWESOME!
It's only an anvil size longer than the M12 Sutbby version but has the power of 650 ft lbs worth of torque!
Seriously, my new favorite go-to mechanic tool!
I do agree and I thank you for viewing Ace
M12 stubby is the best mechanic tool
Not sure how many people are driving in lags without pilot holes, but very interesting comparo as usual. Would like to see a "real world" scenario of taking off 2 wheels with 8 lag bolts each (as in rotating tires) and see which can do it, and what the battery life will be at the end. Obviously the M18 battery life, at that size, and HO, should last longer but if the M12 stubby gets the job done then it's a M12 vs M18 platform decision of what other tools one would need/want. For the DIYer either is good. For the pro in the trades I'm sure there are other considerations.
I think they both can. I already made a video showing that the m12 can take off lug nits in a second or 2. the same thing with the m18 stubby.
Using tools like this for lags is dumb. Take off a whole suspension from one side and check if they can get all the nuts off
I got the M18 3/8 inch stubby because it was cheaper than the M12 3/8 inch stubby. I really like it. I really like using 3/8 inch impact sockets where I can too.
Good stuff! Tell Mrs. Man Caver hello! I'm am still in awe on what the 12V can do. With motor & battery tech what it is today!
will do and its crazy how powerful 12v tools can be
Thank you! Searched all over for this exact tool comparison! Eventually I will have both but for my immediate use it looks like I can go with the m12 for the compact aspect and it will take care of me just fine for now. Have the high torque for big stuff anyway.
both of these tools are great and I thank you for viewing Smoke
I Just got my m12 fuel. Thanks 2 this video. Very strong and compact. Nice tool 2 work on my cars. Thanks for the review. 👍👍👍
Thanks for uploading a comparison between the two. They seem pretty evenly matched, to which I'm not surprised. I love my 3/8 stubby and I also picked up the 2767 High torque (got it off the marketplace) and I may look for the mid-torque as well.
very good and I thank you for viewing
Great video! I thought the 10" lag is where the M18 was going to shine but it didn't win by much. The M12 is sweet!
the m12 system is very powerful and I thank you for viewing Jeffery
M18 was not on the highest setting
It was.
Any tool will last longer if u use it less than its full potential. M18 for heavier uses. M12 for lighter use. Why would u wanna kill your M12 prematurely?
Just goes to show, Milwaukee builds their 12/18 volt platform to satisfy each voltage platform. If you invest in the batteries, Milwaukee performs. The impact drill driver would beat them both. With lag screws, it’s about speed. These tools excell with torque, not speed. Lag bolts in wood create heat and drag, the impacts you’re testing remove finer threaded bolts with less drag after torque tightened because they are pre-threaded, and 99% like materials. Results may be similar but way faster with threaded bolts and receivers with like materials.
I do agree with you on that one Tim, and I thank you for viewing :)
The torque of M12 stubby is good enough for my 4runner I think. Nice video, thanks for sharing!
If I wasn’t convinced with my 1/4” m12 stubby. After seeing what the 1/2” m12 can do, sealed it for me. That thing is a beast.
I have the M12 stubby works great in the automotive shop
gotta love the m12 system and I thank you for viewing Matt
Do you have the m18 as well? And what size battery do you use for the m12? Curious how many hours it lasts with the size you use. (of course I just mean work hours not runtime hours. Assuming you use it regularly on most bolts)
@@meme5887 not sure about him but if your looking to buy I would stick with the m12 that thing is amazing at least if your working in automotive
@@onetteness6778 i use the the m12 stubby with a 6amp battery and after a whole day doing brake jobs in a day it only drained a quarter of the battery, considering i was taking wheel nuts off with it, it’s amazing
@WHO WHO WALKWA not sure about the 1/2 cause I don't have that one I have the 3/8 I use like to replace valve cover gaskets brake jobs alot of thing like for removing things on a engine when I remove it but the 1/2 I'm guessing you could remove tires and other harder things
I bought the 3/8 and 1/2" stubbys... I originally started with the 1/2" and then found a refurbished 3/8" for $100 on eBay, could not pass that up. I have been using the 3/8" more so than the 1/2" working on a Cummins ISX. I looked at the M18 version, and went with the 2962 1/2" mid-torque instead. I know I will have uses for all of these. And I tell ya, that little 3/8" stubby is the BOMB! It surprised the hell out of me, removing tough fasteners with ease.
12v tools are powerful now a days
@@ManCaverTools Damn straight!
Absolutely LOVE my M12
I do as well and I thank you for viewing MRJruta
ah, exactly what i thought, the m12 is lighter and just as powerful but the battery drains differently vs the m18. m18 is clunky but lasts all day or more , really depends on what you do
that is correct. but its still a powerful little 12v
Its pretty simple. they both are nearly the same in power, and if your buying a compact you want something small. Get the M12.
you are correct. but that m12 is crazy for what it is
Man that m12 is a beast! I'm strongly considering ditching my makita 12v for Milwaukee's platform!
I would if I were you, and I thank you viewing Frostyy
I just sold my 12v Makita going to buy the milwaukee Friday.
So much power from a small tool!
it is crazy and I love it
That's what she said
i got both. :P that m12 fuel stubby has been a sweetheart though. love that tool.
You got me with the tool tear down Tuesday bit
I have the m12 impact driver and I love it . Great video 👍👍💯💯
Very good I love12v tools and I thank you for viewing
Me too. Awesome little beast M12!!! I love mine. I need to buy a 6 amp battery. 😎
I have an idea on how you can get every time the same depth of driving in the lags, just count the required rotations of the socket when it hits the wood and you cannot see the lag's progress anymore, by using either the detent hole or the markings as reference. Awesome vid as always 👍
I can give that a shot and I thank you for the suggestion andysm
@@ManCaverTools easier if you just put a large washer on the lags. You’ll see when the washer tightens.
I have the 3/8 stubby, 1/2 mid torque that I keep in the bag. 1/2 High torque at the shop.
That's actually nice to know. I have a M12 stuby and it's awesome especially it's size and the fact that it can take off lug nuts with pretty much no problem so it's awesome to carry in the trunk just in case. I definitely wouldn't switch over to the M18 seeing this video. If they made a higher amp battery for the M12 it would last just as long. Considering that the M18 batteries cost a lot more you can just get an extra for the M12.
they both are good but I love the m12 version better
@@ManCaverTools I think they are basically the same tool with the M18 having better battery life. The real M18 tool is the mid torque one.
Dont forget the m12's come with the compact 2 amp battery and doesn't jut out at the bottom. There are no options for that on the m18 lineup
you are correct about that
Thanks. Now I know what to get. I was wondering about the difference and now I know. M12 are better 👍🏼
M12 Stubby number 👍 Only Milwaukee 🇺🇸✔️
it is a beast and I thank you Makita :)
Great channel. A lot of useful things. Hello to you guys.
Just got an M12 for a decent price as the sales are running can’t wait for it to come!
I’m curious if the m18 was hamstringd a little, by driving the lags so close together, the m12 got the first pull each time and the m18 had to drive through what was possibly denser wood due to the deformation from the m12 lags being so close.
lol
Love the video--Im in Guadalajara MX and they are super expensive out here, you should do a give away--ha ha ha ha
we will see, this channel is majorly adding giveways once we hit 30,000 subs
@@ManCaverTools we at 32 000 plus subscribers I thi l we should start off with an ingersoll rand w7152 government away!!
I wish they had made a stubby with the lights, that would be great.
I think it would be great as well
I got the M12 stubby for my roadside kit.
Going to try to get the m12 stubby and the tiny battery. I like using my m18 mid and hi torques but the stubby seems like a good tool for the 8-12mm fasteners. They both seem like great tools but the weight and size of the m18’s is unnecessary for light and fast.
So far, I have used that 3/8" stubby up to 24mm with no issues. Little beast.
I prefer the M12, the battery being bigger than the impact itself looks so goofy to me. Both great tools though!
Just got the m12 1/2 stubby with 6ah battery. It can't remove any nuts on my Luton sprinter van 2015 not even close. Wheels not been off for a while and overtightend no doubt. It's powerfull but had to crack them all by hand with telescopic strong bar first run so make sure that stays in the boot it your planning on relaying on it. Only tight as the stubby can go now so hopefully won't be a problem with overtightend nuts next time as they still will be over factory torque settings tight if the stubbys max torque is true. if your looking to remove wheels and dont mind cracking the odd bolt by hand it's a good tool and has enough power to put them back securely to.
I agree with you on that one D and I thank you for viewing
That’s crazy tight that little m12 can crack bolts over 450ft lb
I ended up buying the M18 compact for the reason being I already had M18 batteries and got it for the same price as the stubby.
It looks like there's a massive flaw in your testing here.
If you look at the times, M12 is faster going in, and M18 is faster going out, both by a large margin. This doesn't really make too much sense unless the first lag is causing the wood to get "pressurized" and "stiff".
-This would explain why when you put the first lag in with me M12, it has a fast time because there's nothing increasing the wood's pressure. The second lag with the M18 has a slow time because the wood is now pressurized from the first lag.
Coming out you have the same problem:
-When removing, the wood is still pressurized because there are 2 lags. So removing with the M12 takes longer. And removing with the M18 takes less time because there's only 1 lag left.
Thank mate for making comparison between m12 vs m18 slightly not very confident with m12 after this video will grab more tools m12 cheers
Outstanding. My decision is made.
Also, I think a 1/2 inch in a stubby is inappropriate. If you are using in a small compact plate 3/8 is more appropriate.
The problems i had with the m12 is the batteries plastics breaks...the lock tabs and the batteries cells itself separe from the plastic housing
it would be better if they had springs
Yeah, mine done this inside the actual tool, so frustrating when you need to take it out and the battery cells nearly come out
The people doing these comparisons with impacts should also show them taking off lugs on different size tires since alot of people will use it to change a tire
these can take off lugs like nothing, trucks, suv's and cars
GREAT VIDEO DAVE NICKOLAS FANTASTIC DEMONSTRATION KEEP UP THE GREAT INFORMATIVE KNOWLEDGE. IF YOU CAN DO A COMPARISON LIKE THE MAKITA VS THE MILWAUKEE IN THE SAME VIDEO LIKE THIS WILL BE GREAT TO SEE. CHEERS CHAMP
both tools nice but milwaukee also has a 12ah 18volt battery. i love m12 products tho.
I love 12v tools as well and I thank you for viewing Chris
Looks like I’m not gonna upgrade to the m18! I have the m12 and two 6ah batteries. Crazy performance from a 12 volt tool. The m18 was only winning the last test because 12 volt tools will discharge faster.
you are correct Caleb both systems are great and I thank you for viewing
Milwaukee really should have added a little more power to these M18 compacts. I have the M12 Stubby so no reason for me to get the M18 one.
I agree, and if you have one you do not need the other, I thank you for viewing scud
Yes that’s actually the reason why I didn’t get it either
But in the other hand, I already have the M18 platform and didn’t want to invest in M12 batteries for the stubby
Who buy m18 stubby that cleary waste money..better just buy m12 stubby , same torque 339nm..mine , upgrade to m18 mid torque..good value for money
I just order a m12 so I’m looking up videos on it and I getting anxious to get mine deliver
I love it and it is a great tool. more videos will be coming
Im no physics teacher but wouldnt putting lags close together more stress and force on the second lag time? As it burrows in, it has less play and more force for the surrounding area to expand out .
it does but not that much more stress for these Motors
@@ManCaverTools im well aware of the these tools for exceed most every use but as to true time comparison .. What ever still awesome channel.. One of most unbiased reviews compared to others
I also think he should have used a 4 ah battery on the 18 volt impact so the batteries would have the same watt hour rating.
@@aidangattinger8975 the batteries wouldn’t have the same watt hour rating. Watt hour rating is determined by volts x amp hour rating of the cells. Therefore he’d need a 2.0 m18 battery and a 3.0 m12 battery.
Do ingco tools. I'm sure a lot of people in Asia would like to see that.
Awesome video as always
So you've got the "firts", huh? Is that the leprechaun version of covid?
I thank you Let :)
iv just orderd M12 nice helpfull video :-) now i have it its awsome :-)
Depends on what charger and batteries you have.
Will you do an all out brawl between the regular drill drivers and the impact drivers like you did with the all the big hammer drills?
I can do that. I did a video on that already but only with 1 brand so far. but I can do that video of a brawl
I have a m18 mid torque. I'm getting a m12 stubby just because it's overall so much more compact than the m18 stubby. Figure it's better to work with.. lol
I love the m12 version better
I also thank you for viewing Serra
@@ManCaverTools no problem my man. Great content you're putting out, keep it coming. 👍🏽
same
but dare i use my 3/8 non impact sockets with the m12 stubbs or should i really get the 1/2 and be stuck with my impact deepsockets
is the m12 sufficient for lug nuts and brake work or would i better off with the M18?
They are exactly the same, but I guess you have to give the edge for M12 for speed and size, while you gain runtime with m18. It seems to make more sense to upgrade to the mid torque if you want a huge difference.
I agree with you on that one and thank you tool game
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I sometimes read that there's a problem with the M12 batteries rattling out of the tool. Something you experienced?
I might get the M12, it's a little more compact and almost has the same power.
I have it I like it
I like the size of the m12 better but I only have m18 batteries and only 1 small m12 battery without the base for a 1/4 ratchet I have. Given that info you think it’s worth buying a couple more batteries and get the smaller tool or just go with m18 as I have like 5 of those batteries and just buy the tool. I work in automotive industry
Try some of those Chinese knock off batteries from Amazon, all I use other than the M18 9 amp that came with my circular saw.
@@michaelwright1602 I did end up getting the m12 3/8 stubby. Love it it came with a free 2.0 m12 battery. But I’m picking up a 6.0 m12 or 2
Do the high out put batteries make a big difference?
Yes they do in a major way. even the 3ah HO battery are worth getting
Thanks for the reply will order the m18 gun with a HO battery
Hi,
Would like to see if there's a big difference between the two milwaukee impact wrench models (2754) 3/8" or (2755) 1/2" - vs - the new m18 compact impact wrench.
Thanks for this video
will do and I thank you for viewing Michael
I wonder why they didnt bring the angled head over to the 18v? It makes getting into tight areas that much easier.
I think they should have as well.
Because they want you to spend money on M12, which sells less than the M18. My guess!
@@brutostaliano5566 I doubt that's the reason, why spend money on research and development on a brand new tool just to pursued people to buy the older, and less expensive tool?
I got the m12 stubbys!
I love my 3/8 stubby!
Why not get the m12 when it's more compact overall, cheaper, does evenly or better thans its bigger sibling!? But again battery life when it comes down , job wise. Good results and tests! 😎👍
but if you have more batteries with the m12 then you are good. they charge up pretty fast as well
I’m just a shade tree mechanic and I use my M12 stubby for little mechanic jobs... it is perfect for that. I’m not using it all day every day and don’t need as long of battery life. My kit came with two batteries and I always have one charged or charging so I never have run out of battery life while doing a job.
batterys are different too the 6.0 is the best overall for the m12 the m18 best one that will start torquing quicker was the xc 6.0
I've been having very good luck with the M12 Chinese knock off batteries, 3 and 6 amp. I primarily use the 3 amp, as it does not get in the way in tight spaces.
Anyone tell me if there a difference in power between the M12 stubby 3/8 vs 1/2 stubby is one better that the other
I have both, get the 3/8" stubby. No clue, but it seems to work better than the 1/2", and that is the only difference between the two, they are both identical other than the anvil.
I bought an M12 today, I’m more excited than more first bj to use it
lol It is a little beast and I think you will love it
I remember my first BJ... Tasted horrible
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Is that small price difference only with these 2 types of hardware from Milwaukee. Where i live the difference between m12 and m18 is sometimes $200. The tools need to be imported here. But if the difference is just like $20-30 thats just insane!
I do agree with you on that
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lol. no clue but I thank you for viewing Preston
Good stuff Dave! For the answer - Is it worth it? It is for all the people like me that have many m18 batteries but don't plan to buy m12 in the near future. I wonder why the M18 didn't won most of the test. I've already seen in another channel that the m18 had more power around the 250 ft pounds of torque and above near the rated max the m12 couldn't keep going much more above that.
I've seen the opposite
@@shanew7361 Where? Here? I saw it at shop tool reviews m12 didn't get to 300 ft pounds torque. Neither did the Ridgid "stubby" I feel like this is more a test of speed rather loosening power...
MrSubaru was about same until the M18 took 2 lugs vs 1 m12 the stubby. Workshopaddicts says the M18 feels more powerful... I don't know where you saw this?
that's why is good to have different channels to watch with different kinds of tests. we all compliment each other
the kind of tests I do is stress tests on the motor to see which ones start to give out at a certain kind of test. that's why its good to have different channel performing different tests
I have the M12 and I find it pretty bad, it struggles a lot on lots of jobs. Facebook groups tend to blame the battery choice and say the 2Ah makes less torque than other batteries. Be interested to see that test if you can run it.
I thank you for viewing :)
The batteries make a massive difference. I have the 2.0 batteries and the 4.0. the 4.0 puts out higher torque and lasts much more than the double you might expect.
Running an impact wrench with a 2Ah and wondering why it has no power..
😆 lol wow
If love to see this redone now that they finally came out with a 5ah HO m12 battery.
the second bolt got effective because it too close to the first already blocking the way a little???
I wish they make there m18 batteries mor stubby
You didn't have hi output battery in the 12 volt
they dint have them yet when this video was made
I was going to say something but it's too obvious and don't want hate from anyone so I'm not going to say it 😤
I thank you for viewing J one
I love my M12 Stubby 1/2" Friction Ring! It's what got me into Milwaukee's M12 line of tools.
I always wondered how these two would compare. They're basically evenly matched in some ways, but the M12 itself edges out the M18.
The M12 can definitely get into very tight spaces, and that battery of the M18 can get in the way, whereas, the M12, you can switch it to either the CP 2.0 or CP 3.0 battery to maximize the amount of power output, but with the compactness when you're in a physically tight position.
I guess the only ways to justify the M18 Compact is if you DON'T have the M12 platform, but you want something small and have only M18 tools, the M18 compact is the way to go. Plus, it has the tri-LEDs on the M18 Compact.
Although the Stubby is the way to go. Great to go alongside the M18 Mid-Torque impact wrench.
good video!
I thank you Dominic
Dave it kinda looks like they are using the 2853-20 body but added a impact driver to it. I wouner if the new 1/2 in mid is going to use the 12v stubby body but make it 18v power
the new mid range is 600ft lbs of torque. I thank you for viewing Louie
Why not put a big washer on the lag so you can see when it bottoms?
I agree. I love m12 stubby. Do u think it matters which has detent pin or friction ring
the detent pin is good if you need your socket to stay on more securely. I personally like the friction ring
Ok guy I really need opinions I'm stuck between the m12 and m18. I bought a project jeep and she is rusty af ( Michigan vehicle ) I have the money for one but I'm really stuck between these 2 I really thought the m18 would out perform but now I have really mixed feelings. Please help lol
if you need more power then what these can do you can get the new mid range version of the m18 impact driver that has 600 ft lbs of nut busting torque. but if you these do impacts do the trick id go with the m12 if you have enough batteries for it. if you need the more battery duration id go with the m18.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but that M12 battery is NOT high output. The M18 battery IS high output. That would give an upper hand to the m18.
You do realize that we are doing 18v vs 12v right? Based on the I don’t think what battery matters
@@ManCaverTools at 1.19 you said both tools require high output batteries. But then you show a regular 6.0 in the M12. If you are implying that high output batteries don't add any power then I'd have to disagree with you. Anyways I really enjoyed the video. I'm blown away by the M12. Even with the regular battery it still kicks ass against the bigger stubby with a HO battery!. And in the future they will come out with bigger 12 volt HO batteries than the 5.0 HO you can get now.
@@NonieTools I'm using the Chinese knock offs, 3 amp and 6 amp on the M12, no issues, busting everything loose I have come across. Currently working on a bad delete on a Cummins ISX, have the entire turbo/right side of the motor torn down right now.
I don't see the point of a stubby when you have right angle impacts which are way more compact. Also I would use the stubby in 3/8 since you are working in tight spaces anyways.
Have the right angle m12 3/8 and ended up borrowing a m18 stubby because the right angle wouldn't budge a 19mm caliper bolt . Was thinking about getting the stubby but would go with the m12 if I do
You need to try a stubby. Walks all over the Milwaukee right angle.
It look so strange when you see the m18 accu and then the small tool on it 😅
I agree lol, I thank you for viewing Niemand
You said they both have high out put but the 12 doesn’t have high output batteries
Anyone else hate the m12 ergonomic?? I prefer the m18 grip
I do thank you so much for viewing :)
What are these like for loosening or tightening car wheel nuts? Or would I be safer getting the big 1/2 m18 impact gun that’s not in this video btw
yes along with many other tasks as well
@@ManCaverTools I’m only after getting the m18 there last night so thanks for the reply but too late haha