Extractor show down! 😂
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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Perfect example of needing a demo machine before committing to something that might not fit your operation.
Marketing 101, Know your customer;
Put an air horn on pretty much anything and Mike will buy it. He probably won’t even ask the price.
Sooooo happy we built 4 new bins a few years and don’t have to deal with those anymore. grain bags are the devils creation
Mike, I really appreciate your being fair with all manufacturers. They all have pros and cons and you have to decide what works best for your operation. You take care.
The pto running the wrong way is correct for the way the tractor sits at the moment however facing the tractor towards the machine would in turn make it spin the right way unless your spec is different to the 820 we have here in the UK as I used to think the same but we've used the front pto numerous times for jobs. The red machine is much better than the blue also
You can tell just by looking at it that the blue one had way to many engineers and designers involved in it's building. It has some decent features but holy cow is there about a hundred to many parts and pieces to it
I don’t believe the Neerall fits your operation. The Akron is definitely more suited for your operation to be able to get in there to clean out the bad stuff. Nice comparison both are great products!
A $mil worth of equipment and it still takes shovels and labor. Most city folk wouldn't understand the effort and experience required. I do.
I love seeing the change in demeanor of a demo guy when he starts seeing you aren’t impressed. A whole day of frustration just to reach the gimmick end point of having the bag rolled up and popping out. Thank goodness for demos. Everything looks incredible until you try it.
Fix water 💧 problem. Build a dirt pad up 6” to keep the bags out of snow melt.
That was a good side by side demo of the two a good way to learn some things awesome job Mike
The blue unit is very interesting from an engineering point of view, but it definitely fell prey to the "over engineer to improve the design to the point that the improvements end up hurting more then helping" issue
Looks like the blue one is built for corn where a little rotten crap won't matter. Red one is so simple.....looks like less maintenance on it. Definitely nice to see how they compare in this situation head to head. Thanks Mike
capped a hat! thank you Mike and Ashton! keep up the great work!
Not a expert by any means, but the Akron sure seems to be more user friendly
K I S S... Keep it stupid simple. That blue one looks over complicated
@@jarrodvsinclair that is why my first impression was of it was,yes the ability to roll the bags at the same time is nice but the fact they’re is so many intricate moving parts just shows there is stuff that could and in time will go wrong.
@@jarrodvsinclair More person power and baby sitting as well.
So guys keep in mind, this is a dual operating machine. Today, go watch Mike Mitchell winding bags with his winder, lots of extra fun and time. Neeralta’s got you covered, doing both tasks at once. And you’re not fighting with the snow and ice mixed in with your plastic. There’s a reason that bag gets pulled up high.
@@feliciawierenga1102 but it’s not as user friendly when it comes to shovelling out rotten grain... I would rather take the extra time to roll bags then have to worry about having rotten grain I can’t see in the bottom of my bag...
Mike; the crew are getting comfortable with the camera.
This Bag Extractor looks nice, and has some "luxury" features, but in this case "luxury" sometimes makes things more complicated. I would say..."less is more" like the Akron!
Bagging in general seems to be very Labour intensive. Most people that I know consider bags to be temporary storage and make an effort to have them picked up b4 winter sets in.
Un aplauso para Akron es la mejor!!!!!!! Made in Argentina Córdoba...
Really don't like the blue one. That open shaft spinning near you guys scares me. 😎
The pto is guarded the guard is not restrained so it spins with the shaft
This set up works as 3 point hitch, that's even better.
@@banffdigger yeah but should it not be chained to stop it from turning like on our discbine and baler
@@banffdigger Does that guard cover everything though? Like even the joints at both ends? Still seems like a risky thing.
@@jfdb59 not 100 but when you see the guys digging around looking for rotten grain near an auger with very open guarding that worries me more.
I like the Neeralta extractor, I believe it can be connected directly to the rear 3 point hitch which would make it easier to back up with one less pivot point.
truly love to see a long term real life video on grain baggers, i have never appreciated my flat bottom bins so much, reasonable size flat bottom bin is way less work than this with a bin sweep, i never thought grain bags would require this much labor
Tony Fast from Fastagri Montana runs one of these but it is mounted on the three point linkage.
Tony took the cart/cradle off to mount it on 3pt of the bigger tractor he switched it to, Tony’s is basically the same as this one, this one could be mounted as 3pt also.
What if you put the bag roller onto the Akron. So when your finished, instead of rolling the bag out, you can just transfer it to the bag roller. Basically combine the two. You'll be able to check the bag and operate like normal but at the end you get to roll it. Just an idea.
To improve the other bag extractor, finding a way to lower the angle on the bag roller might help solve a lot of the issue. That 90 degree pull on the bag can put a lot of strain and increase the risk of tearing the bag.
You can use the blue one to roll the bags of the red one when it finishes.
'Rickles "I'll pass it along to my kids" hahahaha! Sure won't be the inheritance they are expecting;)
Been waiting for this all week! Thanks Mike! Got you on in the shop while we’re going through our planters. It’s just around the corner!
Fast Ag Montana never had any of the bagger issues that you are having. Down there its a one man operation
Hahaha family heirloom smh this guy must be awesome to work for.i am lucky to have a boss like this keep up the good work boys.
Not here to bash any company’s but by the looks of it, it looks like the red one works a little better or ig you can say sense the roller is on the bottom it really helps instead of being on the top
It seems to me both extractors have something positive over the other. On the Neeralta, it would work better if the roller was lower down, and provided easy access to the bag for grain inspection during rolling (don't pinch the bag so early in the rolling cycle). This video should be useful for the manufacturer....
Thanks Mike. Great video
I think Mike hit it on the head when he brought up the fact that; it would be easy to poke the auger out the side of the bag, the low visibility of this machine would not be ideal. Just my opinion.
Awesome presentation.
I can see it working for some people,who store grain very short periods, where rotten grain is less of a factor.
Great video. Sise by side comparison is priceless. I have never done this, but I'm thinking red from what I see here. Mike I appreciate your informative videos. God bless.
Fast ad on UA-cam UA-cam love’s his bag extractor like this one
Mike, it looks like that vertical pto should be better protected from the workers, just my thought when they were wrestling with the bag.
Compared to your red one this seems more labor intensive. At least the bag reel, just using a wider one to prevent as many pinch/tear points. Shiny isn’t always better.
love the truck wheel close ups.
Neeralta works better further north in areas of high snowfall because the roller is in the air fully out of the snow bank. Also new Akrons have hydraulic driven wheels according to their website. Or you could just retrofit an auger mover to the extractor wheels...
Worst case is Neeralta knows what changes they need to make to their machine so that they can get your business. Demos and evaluations are just as important for the vendor as they are for the customer. That extractor seems to be a heck of a machine. It just makes it difficult for you to clean the bad stuff out before it goes in the truck.
Mike; Another observation, a lot of you tube farmers have dodgy PTO's some without guards or broken guards, Kudos to you. I notice the augers are pretty good as well. Edit; I just noticed at 5:50 one guard is spinning.
I completely understand the scale of your operation,but I still struggle to see the cost saving with plastic, big sheds are indeed expensive,but unlike plastic,a lifetime investment,not just for storing harvested grain,but also for storing bulk seed and fertiliser for the planting season.
There will come a day and not far away when plastics are banned.
Really enjoying your content as always.
Thanks for posting.
Hi Mike great video I ordered one of your hats the other day I cannot wait for it to arrive good luck with seeding when it starts - Henry
The Neeralta unit does not seem both friendly, or efficient. The Ackron seems more useful, and quicker. For visual easy to work is definitely Akron.
Go watch him heading back into the field with his brother to wind up the plastic; entertaining for sure, but time consuming. Neeralta’s long done and gone home!
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Mitch keep the red one and make a bag wrapper for front linkage on tractor ... simple 👍👍
Great video Mike nice looking extractor
I see an uncovered rotating axle at the Neeralta. Watch out for this killer!!!
Its great to see this stuff, here in germany we dont have no bags. So before your chanel i didnt even know people do this
Tony Fast on the Fast Ag channel uses the blue one and it seems to work great for him. I was quite shocked to see the struggles here. But in the end the Akron makes way more sense in this operation.
it is cool being able to drop those rolled up rolls *STRAIGHT* INTO the back of a pickup tho!!! with the NEERALTO ....or however you speel it... lol
Ha Mike and the crew , nice to see some loading from grain bags. I remembered when I just started watching , I was wondering how you get the grain from the bags. Enjoying the fun. Watching from Jamaica 🇯🇲
Good afternoon Mike first off love your vids and the info you give with each one one thing I noticed about the demo machine if your electronics go wonky and you need to run the machine from the lever controls you have 2 issues that come to view the horizontal drive shaft and the vertical drive shaft, you boys do slot of the unbagging in snowy weather and icy
conditions if the operator was to slip he or she may end up on the drive shafts and with no cage the end result could be very unpleasant. This I have seen first hand my brother was helping us and he slipped and ended up tangled in the shaft, pins, screws,and 2 plates plus 8 months off work. A cage would go a long way. Stay safe boys great teamwork.
With all respect to all grain bag manufacturers . I'm not sure about the idea of grain bags. I would rather build more grain bins. I was in the cattle industry and made silage. Deer, foxes, coyotes, crows, ravens loved the long white runway. My thought
I think the red machine easier to use than the blue one,especially to remove rotten seed
This is a good comparison i like thos
For me I think the Akron has the better setup but the Blue one has some nice features also. Like another said more user friendly to get in to get any bad crop out of it. Especially with your wildlife in 🇨🇦
Neat concept, but looks like a pain in the ass hooking up or dealing with a stubborn bag, I’ll stick with my Loftness extractor
Get the 1105 on one of those extractors!
For your specific operation I'd say the Akron is a better option
I did like the way the blue one rolled the bag up though and that would surely make a difference over the space of a season notwithstanding space in your recycling bin. Shame as I thought it was a nice unit just a shame it doesn't work for you, Mike.
Yeah, not an expert here either but the red one has a couple of decisive advantages. 1 the pusher, 2 the ability to get at any rotten material.
Great video. Tonyfastag changed his to a 3 point connect on tractor, got tractor closer to bagger ,made shorter easier see.
I'm the US dealer for those in Montana. Shortline Ag if anyone has any questions.
FastAG Montana has a bag extractor like that one that he runs by himself.
What do you have to do when planning your bag location to avoid so much spoilage? Tony Fast runs one of these Neelalta machines with a lot less labour maybe you should talk to him
Went and watched Tony Fast videos and one man can load truck and operate unloader; but Tony did not have to shovel moldy wheat from the bags.
We have found bag manufacturers to be more the culprit at times, even certain lots of bags can be bad. Micro small holes in a bag end up large holes once bag is filled. Hitech was one of the worse ones, have since switched to AT Film bags and haven't had random water/rot ever since.
The bottom of the bagger can cause the holes as well. Also how you load the bag on the bagger if you dont stretch the folds out. The folding issue might be only for older baggers which pull from the inside as they fill the bag though, i'm not sure. I noticed Mike's bagger pulls from the outside as it fills the bag where ours pulls from the inside.
@@NVMDSTEvil if your pulling from the inside then i think you loaded your bag on backwards. Load it the other way around and it will come off the outside layers first white side out.
@@kriskohut7159 Our bagger pulls the folds from the inside. I'm not sure if thats just because its an old unit or if it is possible to set it up to pull from the outside like Mike and others are able to do. As much as i'd like to try the difference its a pain in the butt if something goes wrong lol.
Hi mike it seems your having some issues with that bag extractor know I understand every operation is different but tony at fastag montana has the same machine and they just move right along with no issues.
Mike , would it be too much of a hassle if before you fill the grain bags at harvest if you built up the level of dirt where the bag goes by 6” - 8”? Would that help you with not losing grain when a hole gets in the bag by raising it above the water level? Also in all the spare”time” you have, you could take an old disk or implement and convert it to a scraper that takes that newly formed soil berm and scrape a crown or roll a crown in it just as you would a road. This would allow water to flow away from the grain bag. I probably overthought this but just an idea that may help you or others save some money. Maybe not.
I don't know anything about using bags. The Akron seems to be wider and pushes better. Either way, pretty cool process.
Nice á how neat that role is.👍
The Neeralta needs twin smaller rollers either side, down near the drive wheels it would be much better?
That demo bag extractor can have its draw bar removed and you can turn it into a 3pt hitch. Tony fast from fast ag Montana did that.
Bags looks an all round ball ache to me! If I had to pick out of the two machines, I would pick the red one because the blue one looks like a inevitable compensation claim. Tip it clamp and cover it, lose a bit around the edge but I would think more efficient 🤷
For your know places you will be using bags year after year, could you grade some mounds to place the bags on so they would be above any water that would pool? I know you would lose some ground to plant on but it seems it would make things easier?
The problem is that they don‘t have their bags all in the same but rather scattered all over the fields. Sometimes according to Mike there are even multiple bag spots in one field just to keep the combines running and the distances therefore short.
@@AdrianSFS Yes but many are put close to same areas year after year. Seems like something could be done to take less manpower to pick up bags. I would also consider running an electric fence setup around the bags to keep the animals off. Yes money and a bit of time but not much compared to the product loss and time and effort to check and patch bags over and over.
@@boltactionshooter That has been tried but various wild animals still damage the bags.
The Akron seems better and you could maybe put like a sort of portable roller on the front link or the bucket 🤷♂️ I like the steps that go above the PTO to go from one to the other side
Seen people use a round bailer to roll the empty bags to the Akron looks like the fast machine
Frekels has a Saskatchewan dinner jacket.
Have you thought about having bins on the home farm. Have your bags in the field to use as a short term storage. After harvesting, you could start the hauling season. Haul the harvest to the bins. You'll have less loss due to animals and weather?
Big Dog Grain bags are SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER per bushel to temporarily store grain than bins.
Farmers also rent a lot of acres thus not necessarily wanting to commit to the SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT for grain storage related to land they don’t actually owe.
Mike has REALLY INCREASED the number of bins over the past few years in the home yard but there is only so much money to spend particularly when Mike previously indicated that chick peas as not currently worth much.
In a number of instances depending on the moisture content of the various grain species & the outside temperature spoilage is less and easier to deal with in grain bags compared to bins.
Mike did an easier video related to rotten chick peas in a large bin and the problems they had removing the rotten grain.
From what Mike showed in various videos rotten chick peas are CONSIDERABLY EASIER to deal with when in a grain bag then in a bin.
You must be new here lol
Mike your guys shoveling have to becareful of the vertical PTO shaft - that thing was spinning aweful close to their arms and PTO and arms don't mix
Welkers used Loftness unit. Basic unit simple operation.
Well the blue bag extracter looks way hard to use in bad bags and in wet muddy icy conditions
But mike great video really liked the info from it have a great week
This may have been commented on before, but wouldn't it be a good idea to lazer/GPS grade all your bag sites so you don't have low spots that hold water. Costly to begin with but cut down on labour cost. Make it a 2 man operation no spoiled bags. Just a thought.
Mike I dont know if he covered it but i know fast ag down in Montana has one and has it mounted on the rear 3pt wonder if that helps steer, and maybe being closer gives better visibility
I saw that! Looks like a good idea
Another great upload by Mike 👍
The spinning PTO at 5:47 scares me. Even tho you never should come near it, it is still a hazard to be caught in it with your clothes. I am amazed they didn't at least put a mess cage around it. A small oversight by Neeralta?
You mean close like that? 11:05
That open PTO on the Neeralta is a bit scary.
I watch many other farm tubers. Not sure how much different the climate at the Fast Ag Farm is but they use this Nerral bag extractor. Tony and his hired hand both know how to use it and can load their own trucks by themselves with it. Never see them have the troubles Mike has with rotten grain though either
is this the first bag extractor they have built? because then i would say trial and error like every brand had to do. if they saw the problems they have and fix them this would be a good sign for the future to improove their system :)
You guys have Claas hats but no Claas equipment,is that a sign for what the future has to offer?🤣
It would be nice for it to work then you could have to machines one can be in one area another on a different place or if on goes down then one could fill in.
I don't know if It is exactly like this one but it works the same it's fast ag
To many people have become injured working around open shafts i like the Akron better
I have a special idea for Frankel's. Take a shirt, wash it. Then mounted and frame it and put it on the wall. And on the bottom he He writes to to his kid's How he worked and care and love for his children. Children don't Relies how hard their parents work to take care of them.
same applies to you your parents they had a harder time in comparison to you in your time think on bud.
O it's the new one, great.👍
It’s your Crue doing the work buddy but if it was mine I would want them running the Akron because it’s the one that you can take care of everything necessary especially rotten Grain! 😼🖖🏼🇺🇸
Thumbs up... Very informative showing the crappest part of a farmers life.... Painful to watch let alone sort that mess out
I think you can get a seat that swivel 180 degrees for the fendt... Otherwise look at valtra unlimited.
Reverse drive in gen5 Fendt is only 900 series (if I'm not mistaken). 700's and lower doesn't have that. But I agree. If you need reverse drive with not crazy power - Valtra T and N will do the job pretty damn good. Also they are just beautiful tractors.
Mike I have questions....why don't you our you old bags under your new bags too seal them off the ground?? And why can't you seal the end of the bag? With a giant iron or something....thanks for another great video. Very open minded opinion
On the neeralta, couldn't you split the bag horizontally on each, and just roll up the top half of the bag, letting the bottom half of the bag run under the unit and tractor? Just like you do with the Akron?