CHEAP vs EXPENSIVE 12v Fridges! what's Actually BETTER for 4x4/Touring?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2020
- Now when buying a 12v camping fridge for 4x4/4wd/touring a lot of us want to know how they actually are going to preform, so today we are putting two of the most popular fridges to the test. Which ones cooler?, which one uses more power? which one is the most reliable? this is all to be answered today on Aussie Arvos !
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12 minutes of fridge slapping 😂
Hmmm you noticed it too huh? LoL
*slaps fridge* this bad boy can fit so many tinnies in it
I was gonna say will you please stop slapping the fucking fridges.
He slapped his leg and other hand as well just to mix it up a bit 🥴
100% done my head in
You slapping the fridge of every 2 seconds literally done my head in
Clicking the fridge probe lid on and off ..... aaargh !
One flaw about that test is that, engel is a LOT older than kings. Obviously the cooling system of the engel has deteriorated somehow, thus it is not cooling as much. Whatever it is engel wins hands down in my opnion for working still after 30 years and thats amazing.
I've had my kings 60L fridge for around 4 years and its been amazing, I run it 24/7 as a beer fridge at home and take it away camping and hasn't missed a beat, holds temperature well and uses next to no power when camping to stay at 2 degrees
I just want to say that this is a great review on the two featured fridges, not because of any other reason other than these two young blokes actually understand how the fridge works and can objectively talk about the pros and cons. Also, they understand the quality vs quantity market, and they understand the risk decision required by the buyer. Refreshing to see clever come from younger people.
We have had our Kings 60L fridge now for just under 6 years, it runs 24/7 and has never missed a beat. I would definitely buy another one!
Nice work guys!, however, When using a thermometer don't put it in water. As water enters the freezing stage the temp will be ~zero until it changes from liquid to solid - all you are measuring at this point is the freezing point of water - not the refrigeration temp. You really should be measuring the air temperature with a suitable thermometer.
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With the price points and observed difference in quality it would be reasonable to assume that service life would be $50-100 per year of it's life.
Eg if you're paying $1500 for an Engel, you'd expect it to last 15 years or more. If you're paying $500 for a Kings, expect it to last 5 years or more.
But don't crack the sads when it shits the bed at 6-7 years old either mechanically or the plastique fatigues and cracks from use, age, etc. To ensure longevity keeping the Kings out of direct sunlight and constantly in eco mode would seemingly run it at an optimal power draw/performance level, similar to what the Engel runs at.
If you get 10yrs+ out of a Kings or similar plastique counterparts you're Charlie Sheen.
Like the comparison to CS at end, that's a good one. brother-in law has a Finch 3-way since the 80's and it's still running! So are all older fridges better because of the older style refrigerant that was used and better insulation material?
2 years of owning a kings 75lt duel zone lives in the ute that is used for work everyday and have not turned it off since I have had it 100% back my fridge
dam that's great!
Kings fridges are actually a Dometic Waeco. cheers.
Yep my 75l dual zone has never skipped a beat in over 2 years of daily use.
Cant fault it. 👍
You know it’s a “Engel” not an angle 😂
Ask them how pronounce Lego.
It is actually pronounced angle funnily enough
@@aaron4156 Not in my vocabulary. Engel is engel, angle is angle.
@@einfelder8262 on the east coast of Australia it’s pronounced “angle”. Everyone I know pronounces it “angle” but just in different parts of the world it’s “engle”
@@MoonKnightH8 Bullshit. I live on the East coast of Australia and it's Engel - the clue is in the spelling for those that can read and speak English.
Boys boys boys, you guys have gone next level with the edits looking super professional. Keep up the good work!
oh thanks Jack!! really appreciate you saying that :) cheers !
I bought the 60l kings 3 years ago. Even used it as a freezer in the shed for 3 months. Also great how fast it cools down. Being made out of plastic makes it lighter to carry. My dads Engel broke down. Cost 800 just to fix it. Great channel guys. Look forward to the next one. 🍻
Slightly different but just watched a qualified fridge mechanic do a comparison between the Bushman 85lt upright fridge freezer and the Kings 85lt upright fridge freezer. In his opinion they are the same fridge rebranded. They have the same mechanicals and controls, same layout internally. The Kings currently sells for around $600, the Bushman $1495.
Great to see a couple of young Aussie blokes having a go - good work keep it up.
I have had my kings 60L fridge for 5 to 6 years now, no dramas with it, been an unreal fridge, all I could afford at the time as I was only an apprentice. 👌
I've had the 45L Kings for 12 Months also and it has done everything I expect a Fridge to do. Keep things Cold.... As for reliability, it is powered by a Secop Compressor (formerly Danfoss)which powers a lot of Fridge Brands out there, including Waeco. If your Ego can take the hit, your Wallet won't.
yeah mate same with mine, been perfect
Great vid boys. I’m running a Waeco cfx50 and hasn’t missed a beat. It used to run 24/7 as my beer fridge on the verandah, now lives in the back of my prado. I run a kings winch and it has copped a bit of abuse and has never died, also got 2 kings awnings and they work great (been on my car for 3yrs). Yes you do get what you pay but you even the expensive things break down (sometimes lol)
we run a 40lt weaco and a 45lt kings for a year now and cant split them for power draw or reliability..we swap them from fridge to freezer each time we restock to give the equal running times and think they are great..love your work lads.
Ive been running a Kings 70 litre 2 door for approx 2.5 years. Swapped the 12v cigarette plug to an Anderson plug. Still running fine no issues.
Yeah awesome to hear!
I just sold my 30+ year old 15L engel (which was still cooling down to -14) and bought the bigger engel eclipse MR40F 38L ($800). The eclipse being the more affordable/entry level, no frills version, but with the same reliable sawafugi running gear you have come to know and trust from engel. Great vid guys.
Love your guys channel first of all.
I went with an engel a few years ago purely for the metal case and the reliability of the name. Knowing it was going to be thrown around in the back of my 60 series, being able to be knocked about was most important. 3 years on and its run almost constantly either in the 60 or now in my work van, and I wouldn't look back. Taking the cover off it still looks brand new.
Keep up the good work guys!
Yeah that's great!! its like our old engel , take the cover off and looks brand new! good stuff mate! and cheers for the support!
I have 2 Engels, and a waeco, and a bushmans. My first engle was out of a camper van. I've had it 20 years and the van had done 400,000km when it got pulled out. My other engle I bought new in 2001. Both have been going almost non stop. better quality than most house fridges
Had my kings 45l in my ute 3 years now (4 months of that’s as strapped to my tray in the sun before I got the canopy) and use it regularly and she has never given me a problem for the price would definitely buy again!
It speaks to the reliability of Engel when Piranha 4x4 in Bayswater have had one running in their shop no stop for something like 40 years.
wow that's insane!!
They do run better and last longer if you don't turn them off. There's lubricant in the coolant that keeps the seals in good condition and working properly. Leave the fridge off for weeks/months and the seals dry out and deteriorate as no coolant is circulating.
I'm more impressed they have never had a power outage in 40 years!
@@leeveitch4448 lolol
Awesome vid lads, top quality content. Locked in the Engel for me.
awesome video guys, ive been thinking about how much i should spend on my fridge great insight !
Thanks Fraser!!
Top notch video guys. Really enjoyed the comparison and think you did a great job actually talking about the merits of each fridge. But what about a comparison between these and an eski with a 3 Dollar bag of ice!
Great work guys. I have an Engel 29L fridge, running all the time from 1982, love it.
One negative on ur presentation is DON'T SIT ON THE LID of any fridge, later they leak.
Good review boys, enjoyed it
Good video boys, well done for thinking about your experiment and you methodology. Cheers guys.
I inherited my dads old 1980's Engles and it is honestly one of my favorite things in my car!
hahaah yeah and it just keeps going!!
Went around and around and around trying to decide and ended up with a 75l Kickass brand one (love it). Like you guys said you can get unlucky in all brands. I have about 10 different Kings brand items including a winch and never needed to replace or fix. Keep up the good work. Can't wait for Victoria to be unlocked.
Thanks Adrian! We can't wait !! :)
I also went the kickass come with a 5 year warranty also mine runs nonstop in my car had it about a year now no problems
I've had my kings 65L for 2.5yrs now runs perfect every time
Yeah same with our 45L!
@@AussieArvos my kings hasnt been turned off for 2.5 years, goes good mate
Same here mate,using every day
Went with a Waeco 35L fridge and it works good for the price. Doesn't get as cold as those two but still managed to have a cold can and store some food in it on a recent trip so can't complain👌
Yeah well that's all it comes down too!! good stuff mate ! :)
like the setting and the production upgrade lads. keep it up
thanks mate!! good to get the awning out! felt like we were out camping again ahha !
great work boys,definitely get'n better...I bought a 40 or 45ltr Waceo pretty much when they first come out been in my truck till it died last weekend it was the best fridge i'd ever had i'd even turned around a couple of die hard Englel boy's,still looking to get another fridge.but Waceo fridges also make kings & Dometic fridges as well. Good luck with it all boys....
Great review. We have both options. Own top of the range Dometic and Brass Monkey. Both had heavy wear and tear over the years and both broken down (once) with faulty boards. So, why the BrassMonkey. Well, if it breaks and they don’t have the part in one of many retail stores through Australia, you get a new fridge straight away. This is what happened to us. They didn’t have the board. Got a new fridge. When the Dometic broke down, took four months and a lot of hassling with Brisbane HO to get it back. Is the Dometic better. I don’t know what that means, but it has two major advantages. Its very quiet and its number one feature is power draw. If you have a lot of power, it does’t matter, but had a lot of trips with poor weather. If running the BrassMonkey, we get one day less on our batteries. We love both. Our Dometic was $1400 which is far too much for a 50L fridge and their repair service time borders on criminal. We got the same size with BM for 475 on sale. If we had more power, would have two BrassMonkeys. One for freezer, one for fridge. I do think the Dometic is better for keeping the cold in and power draw, but that repair time. Damn.
Cheers boys from the US but I've had my Kings fridge for about 3 years now and it still works perfectly awesome video keep up the great content!
Thanks Mikey! glad to hear it mate! and really appreciate the support ! thanks mate
Horses for courses! You're conclusion is spot on, you are looking at cost vs use. A budget fridge used only 4 or 5 times a year or an Engel that runs constantly. Buy what suits your needs
That's it mate!
Good video fellas. You hit the nail on the head. If you are running a business on the road, mining exploration or anything that requires a low risk of breakdown you buy the best available. You can’t afford to piss off your employees with cheap Chinese products letting you down. If you are a weekend warrior then you buy fit-for-purpose. For me, in the current environment, I’m going for Aussie made where available.
Yeah well that's it mate!! thanks Fred!! appreciate
By far my favourite channel on UA-cam boys 🤙 just brought me and all me mate stickers Yeww
awh thanks Jayden! really appreciate the support mate! :)
This should've been done on 12v and 24v shunts as they're a better comparison to what the actual usage would be.
Great review guys very informative 👍
hey lads , great comparo and youve hit the nail with stats and real world "life" keep going lads
I've had my waeco 65 for bout 4 years now, all good,,,,, but an ol fella i worked with bought a cheapy 110lt no name brand off Ebay,,, out performs mine hands down, paid 450 bucks for it,, he cant fault it,, but back to the kings fridges,, i heard a lot of reports about them catching fire and burning 4wds to the ground,,, that was some years ago as well,, things might have changed and Kings could have seen the fault and fixed it , not sure, but for a budget, cheaper fridges do exactly the same thing as expensive ones do,, just gotta make sure your solar equipment can handle the draw really,, great vid boys
I’ve had my kings fridge running non stop at 0 for 6months and it hasn’t skipped a beat
hell yeah!! gives me more confidence in mine hahah !
18 months for me non-stop on 3°. I keep my work lunches and breakfast in their to hide it from the kids haha!!!!
First, solid video. Keep it up!
Thanks mate! Appriciate it :)
Great video. You boys certainly know how to slap fridge.👍
HAHAHAHA Not wrong!! Cheers Kadiocalc
Another amazing video guys!
It seems like you've been going from strength to strength lately - Amazing editing and extremely informative this time around.
Keep it up fellas!
Oh thanks Micheal! really appreciate you saying that ! :) means a lot !
i used a Waeco 18l fridge for years in the work van. Bought the same model fridge in WA for work in the mines. I used to take lunch out from the camp and at 1pm turn the fridge to max so that by 2:30pm the single serve yoghurts were frozen juuuust right..... still have both my original and WA fridges... put them in my guys work vans so they can enjoy them.
I have 2 Engels, one my father bought in 1985 & one I bought 2nd hand in 2001 (12 years old at the time). Both still going strong.
Great video fellas. My 50L Waeco is still going after 10 years.
Had my Waeco for 15 years and love it
Ripper vid boys! Smashing out ya humongous tradie voices nice and young. Although the tradie voice + engle can be a tough one. But tonnes of practice and youll be runnin job sites in no time. Keep it up champions!!
Kickass fridges!
awesome video by the ay keep up the good work boys
Bocka 66 for My evacool I got on sale for $500 ,it does what I need it for....long lap maybe Engel/ Waeco great vid love what you blokes do...Cheers
well that's all that matters! Thanks Scott appreciate it mate!
My grandad has had his Engel for 20 or so years never skipped a beat
Ive got the spinifex 50l fridge freezer ,had it 4+ years. Broke the lock latch so added 2 stainless latches. Been around aust and done 1000s of ks down spine rattling dirt highways and shes still going strong.
Good vid boys!!!! Engel build great and reliable stuff, no doubt . But for the average weekend warrior a $500 Kings fridge is a no brainer
Thanks Swish!, definitely agree on that!!
"Weekend warrior" = part time wouldn't know anything like the 'Pros' do! What an instant condescending statement based on the fridge someone buys!! I can't believe that someone is so idiotically stupid to come out with remarks like that.
@@gortnewton4765 I suspect that you either failed very miserably at basic high school English comprehension or you are a “simpleton”
@@gortnewton4765 there's no insult about calling someone a weekend warrior! Most people are weekend warriors, if you work all week you're most likely a weekend warrior.
I have a kings fridge running in my ute 24/7, 7 days a week for the past 10 months and hasn't skipped a beat
cheers for the vid fellas :)
No worries ! cheers Bleak!
I can't afford either. Lol I just buy those little dorm fridges and run them off the inverter in my rig. They draw some power but they also shut off when they hit their target temp. Plus they have a freezer separate from the fridge which is nice for some foods. I picked my first one up for $99.00
I've got a 70s model engel, runs like a dream but for the price of a kings you can't go too wrong
Yeah well that's it Macca , the prices that you can buy a fridge at today is way way lower then what it was mealy 10 years ago !
Best channel on UA-cam!
Too Kind!! Thank you Jack!
I have a bushman 45 been very happy with it for the last 5years. And it’s 100% repairable if it stops
good to hear! haven't used one of those before!
I love those 'angle' fridges lol
Nice review boys. My kings fridge is still going after 3 years.
I have two Engel fridges one is over thirty years old and still running fine as good as the day I purchased it
yet anpther great video from you boys, loving the content and quality especially when you are stuck in lockdown.
perhaps not clicking the thermometer so much may possibly look a little more professional
Thanks Bruce yeah it sucks not being able to leave the home! oh yeah definitely ahahahah that's our bad hahaha
yes the clicking was getting a bit annoying, but you guys are awesome, doing a greast job, takes me back to my younger days learning as much as i could to do my own projects.
Hi Boys, Interesting video. It looked like a 240v comparison.. Have you tried measuring 12v draw. Why not a real world comparison?. Why not fill the fridge with food, water bottles etc, connect a fully charged battery and see how long it can run for?
Regards Alex
unfortunately we could only get a watt measurement on 240v but yeah having food in it would be a good comparison ! they seem to behave pretty similar on both 12v and 240v !
Aussie Arvos you can buy the gt watt meters cheap as so I would buy 2 and do as Alex suggested and test real world, you have tested best case scenario which is fine for some but I think the info I would prefer to see would be total power use to get to xx temp, when using a deep cycle the better number to know is how long I can run the fridge before needing to charge. then chuck them in the sun and see if they hold temp and what the power usage goes up to. Lastly what are the effects of opening the lid more often like getting beers, how does the higher lid use effect the power draw. Nice effort though 👌🏼
@@FAR_CUE_TOO Thanks Peter!! yeah would be a good test!! ill sort out some!
Divide the wattage by 12 and it will give you the current draw in amps as if it was from a 12 source. Simple math.
@@Aussie_Damo yes that will give teh amps but it wont give you the actual 12v really, running on 12v is more efficient as its not stepping the voltage down from 240v.
Legends!! I’ve been curious of the kings fridge lately, Out come was pretty expected but great content!!
Talking about the kings winch’s, I’ve only heard good things about them. Curious to hear from people what they think!
Had mine for 3 years , 12000lbs, only used twice. Used it first time on Billy goats bluff on a steep incline where those notorious wombat holes are, fully loaded Patrol I was shitting myself. Kings winch, heavy 4by is it gonna pull? It bloody well did and damn well too I might add. 2nd time I pulled an isuzu dmax out of a bog hole no worries. So it's not a bad winch for what it's worth.
damm yeah well i mean for the price you can't go wrong, i know blokes who use them on comp trucks as they are so cheap and when they give out they just go and throw a brand new one in, but they are pretty decent i'd say, Liams got an old grande one on his GQ and goes good!
Cheers for that boys!! I reckon I’ll cheap out and get the kings winch haha 🤙🏼
The name Engle came from the first fridge they brought out that didn't have to be on a level surface for it to work great fridges. Would never waste money on any of them esky and ice.
Good effort on trying to produce a comparison. I know you're trying to make it relatively scientific(reproduceable) and quantifiable (measurable) so good effort there. But in that vein you also need to be aware that putting the thermometer in the water to measure the internal temperature will mean your results aren't measuring what you want. The water/ice will remain at around the freezing point of water (so -2 to +2) until the water has all frozen solid (in which case the ice will then drop to lower temperatures) or all melted (in which case the water can increase to > zero) regardless of the internal temperature of the the fridge itself (which could be -18). Hope this helps.
I’ve had the same Engel fridge in the family since 1976 has put lived every other fridge I’ve had ... life in the 80 is hard on them but the Engel kicks ass for ever ... don’t waste your cash on anything else !!
That Engel is impressive!
I have a new Dometic CFX 45 which is variable in power draw. I've seen it draw up to 85W on initial cooldown and then steady 4-7W maintenance. (25 minutes from 20 to -1C btw)
Testing a 15yo fridge against a new one says a lot about durability and quality!. I know it's necessary to prioritize cost sometimes but I put value on not loading up landfills too.
(Plus, lower power draw needs less battery)
For insulation testing I'd like to see how they perform in hot conditions (ie sun or hot car vs shaded, outdoors in a breeze).
Had my kings 45ltr for qlmost 3 years now it runs all day every day at 1deg and has never skipped a beat. When I'm driving and or just loaded the fridge with warm goods I'll run it on Max but when I get to camp I'll switch it to eco and it helps with the life of the battery.
Can't fault it and I happily buy another.
Given the chance and if the price was good sure I'd buy a better brand but like I sed I'd be more than happy to recommend and by another kings
Sent myself mental looking for a 50L to go in the back of the SUV and finally settling on an EvaKool because it keeps jobs here and has a very high customer satisfaction record.
Also see recently Patrick was provided one to install and later review for his Cruiser interior refit 🙏
Id buy an engel simple because its well bloody made and it will draw alot less power so less drain on the battery and things stay at a better temp, with most places doing afterpay etc id just get one on that
I use Engel fridge I’m the third owner of it and can’t fault it still goes good considering it’s over 15 years old never lets me down
yeah impressive!
Can't go wrong with Engel I have the new 45l 5year warranty love it
I've had my waeco for 10 years, after buying it second hand. So it's maybe 15 years old. Still works great! Only issue with my particular model of waeco fridge is the lid is plastic crap.
Yep seen one at rays the other day and the lid lock felt a bit weaker than the engle
i took an Engel fridge away camping for a long weekend with a 2nd hand car battery for its power and a 5w Solar charger to keep it topped up and after 4 days at staying at -2 i put the reco car battery on the charger to see how much was left and low and behold it was a tiny bit under 3/4 full! Engel FTW!
Cheers fellas,
I went through 2 kings in one year
Just bought a 60ltre mtv engel an the 15/3 ( off the shelves repco broome) an the ambient temp sensor was buggered just took it in yesterday for repair an no one had a sensor in stock,
Kings absolutely value for money and very good reliable product, no need to spend too much money for adventure and camping product
Nice scientific examination guys, well done.
Another rippin video lads 😎 think I will stick with me Engel tho 😂🍻🤘🏾
Iv got both and a 65l kings and 40l Engel the king's is just an old model CF Waeco which has had a thermistor fail which was only a 20$ fix from Dometic (Waeco) honestly the king's is pretty good for the price but longevity wise yes they are 15 years old because the they're just a CF Waeco before the cfx came out 👍 they do the job fine.. I use the small engel for weekenders and use both for big trips.. the Engel as a freezer and the king's as a fridge works well 🤘
Yeah perfect, can't go wrong with that setup!! it's is great tho when you can get it fixed that cheap! but yeah i mean comes down to your budget and how much you can spend , if you just wanna get away the kings does fine!
Esky and a good block of ice does the job for short trips well . Keep it simple and try not to fall into the trap of bringing your house camping. Nice review guys
True we used to put a old fridge in the old land cruiser fill it with slabs of Ice we would be away for 2 to 3 weeks never had a problen
With the Kings, it will work about 20% better if you take the cover off, or cut away the mesh over the fridge vents. The mesh is a major restriction on air flow.
ah thanks for the tip Stephen!!
@@AussieArvos Would be good to test this in another video hahah!!
Agreed, when I bought my Kings 65lt I used a cover on it, and it seemed to not be venting enough with it on and the cover felt warm. Took the cover off and it's been fine plugged in constantly for about 6 months now..
Good job thanks for this
Good video boys
Hey guys love the vid i own both fridges luv them both and it isnt my first engle this engle is probably 8 or more yrs old my kings is probably 3 or 4yrs old only problem ive had with my kings fridge is in the summer weather in my cruiser the fridge just stops working not sure why i have solar screens on all the back windows fridge is off beers or water goin warm so if parking up anywhere i just take my engle as you know the engle wont stop no matter how hot it gets in the back of the cruiser any info from other guys that have a kings 60 would appreciated cheers
I have a 2003 Engel Mt35 & it works killer, bought it 2nd hand for $240 beans & use it all the time 🙂 didnt wanna spend a lot so i did my homework & made a list of candidates & waitied till 1 popped up 4 sale, do ur home work & get what u can afford, pretty hard to beat the Kings 60L stayzcool fridge @ $450 5 year warranty
Great videos guys. Always interesting. I believe that range of kings fridges where made by Waeco Dometic. And serviced by the same. Lots of choice and most of the budget fridges work well. The big difference is how they work in extreme temps etc Engel, National Luna and a few other premiums really come into their own but at a price. Thanks again love the Chanel
makes the long weekend even better ! cheers boys ❤️❤️
Awh thanks JEZ!! Legend 💛
I own a kings and am pretty happy. Only draw back for me is the lid seal is pretty average. Most noticeable on freeze settings where there is ice build up on the inside walls.
do the which one is still running in 30 years test
Not a hater but just saying the thermometer readings were different to the thermometer you put in the water because the water is calling down as well and it's not gonna cool down as fast as the fridge
thanks for the review was really helpfull
Good video guys.
Thanks Geoff!!
Love a bit O fridge slap in the morning