Steve Reviews: Frankenweenie (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2022
- Continuing on from where we left off, the kids have discovered Victor's secret on how he brought Sparky back to life, and so now go out to bring their own set of animals back. With varying results...
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Sucks that this has to be split into two parts, but it is what it is. Thanks to those of you who still checked out part 2, curious to know what your thoughts were on the film's ending; Yay or nay?
Nay, I agree with your conclusion.
Is it possible to get it both together, just slightly more edited in the future? If no, then I'm glad we got to see the review, it just sucks that it's split.
Can you do a review on Dragon Quest Your Story please?
Nay
Idk really, but did you notice that you uploaded a video with an homage to gamera on Gamera’s birthday
Kind of ironic, that the Frankenweenie video had to be cut like a literal Frankenstein Creation.
Lol.
What I think the teacher meant by love changing the variables, is that the first experiment had a lot of care and a personal stake in it. Victor was bringing back his dog, something he loved dearly and NEEDED to get absolutely right. The second time with the fish, he was forced and had zero connection to the animal. The other children bringing stuff back did it out of desire to show their skill and win a competition rather out of love for the animal. I feel the word love was used to make the plot 'easier' to follow, when it really meant compassion and careful calculations.
Yup I also think he doesn't care about fish he just want to show off
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. The variables were changed because Victor wasn't as careful as he was with Sparky, because he had no true desire to resurrect the fish.
These type of movies always brought me back to my childhood. The idea of bringing a pet back is kind of a. Interesting idea actually back. Back when I was a child, my very first pe That my parents gave me. It was Christmas morning. I was about seven years old. When I saw a tank with a little cute, little brown hamster, it was a little girl wine. And I named her buttercup. I loved her very much. She was so cute and fluffy. I would just hold her in my hands, petter, make sure she was taken care of, clean the cage every day. And I wanted to bring her out of the cage a lot. Then my mom thought about a bucket, so she gave me one of those little sand buckets, a yellow one, a yellow, little pale. And I would put buttercup in there with their food and everything, and she would be safe. I would make sure to hold the bucket safe in my arms. She was a wonderful little hamster. I would bring her everywhere with me in the house, even in the bathroom. Mather outside, thou know, never outside. Good hamsters in Connecticut could not survive the cold.
It lasted at least for half a year. Unfortunately, though, it didn't survive me. We accidentally killed it. I was very sad that I lost her that. At that moment, I vowed to never, ever go after having a hamster ever again. Life can be so easily killed by a child's love and affection. But if you. But if you choose the right pad for you to love, they will stay with you. That's the thing I'm saying here, though, these kids, when they brought their pets to these powers and everything, Victor did end up bringing Sparky back to life, yes, with the power of love. But compared to the other kids, they just won the win science fair. And I was just not. More like one thing, and that was never good thing. Never. I saw the original one when I was a kid. And honestly, it was kind of scary to me. But I did like it in the end. But this one, I'm giving it 10 thumbs up.
I feel love is used in the same sense as how you put ‘love’ into a creation. You put time and effort into it.
Another thing is why the other reanimated animals are weak to electricity, while Sparky isn’t: Sparky has bolts in his neck, which allows him to properly conduct the electricity, something that the other animals do not have.
I assumed as much. Still could have been explained a little better.
I feel like the ending is smart in a way that it presents what it truly means to love your animal companion. Victor loved Sparky as his best friend, and not as a science experiment, like all the other kids primarily did, and that’s why all their pets die while Sparky gets to live, because Victor and Sparky actually deserved to be happy here.
I also think the message in the end is “It’s okay to want your loved ones to still be with you. You don’t have to let them go as long as they are still in your heart. And if they’re truly in your heart, then they’ll always be alive.” I think if Sparky died in the end, it would have meant that what Victor did to bring him back was wrong, and I honestly don’t think that it really was. He accepted in the end that Sparky would always be in his heart, and Sparky coming back is likely symbolic of that, since it’s saying that if you keep them in your heart, they’ll always be alive in a way.
That’s just my take on things, although your idea of a different ending isn’t bad either, I just think this one works well as is, too.
Also side note, I think the other experiments died to electricity because they didn’t have a proper way to conduct it, like Sparky probably did with his bolts and wires. I mean, it’s science fiction, so it never really bothered me that things don’t get explained. It just adds to the fun and zaniness of the film.
Plus, i felt the point of the white cat and its owner warning Victor was meant to foreshadow what was to come as it like looking at most movies or shows when you have someone who can see into the future they always foreshadow or leave the main hero on a wild chase that always comes with a price
I dunno, that point about the other creatures being science experiments to the other kids would be something to think about, but the cat wasn't unloved, and it got mixed up in the whole experiment by accident. So it doesn't matter that the girl lost her cat because of a freak accident, but the dog's not allowed to die because his boy loves him? The cat being involved accidentally but still paying the price muddies the metaphor a little for me, that's all.
@@cosmicbreath That’s not a bad point, but the big difference is that the Weird Girl was being carelessly reckless just like the other kids were, and she probably should’ve taken her cat’s safety into account. And yeah the cat maybe didn’t deserve it, but I personally don’t mind it as I think it adds to the horrifying nature of it all.
@@Bethany_Bradley Even if the "love" vs. "experiment" theme works, the more I think about it, the more I still kind of hate the execution? In the end, the children aren't the ones who get punished. It's the animals who suffer needlessly, and that's not portrayed as a tragic thing. Like Steve says, it becomes a "monster movie."
And this movie does nothing to curb (and almost perpetuates) the common subconscious idea that no animal life really matters and it's nothing to value or be sad about unless it's a dog. If another dog was among the ones that suffered experiments and painful transformations and still paid the price for the children's apathy, it'd be different, but...
@@cosmicbreath That's part of the point too. The fact their actions didn't hurt them, but hurt their loved ones and people around them. What you do affects others, not just you.
Fun fact the kid who brings the mummy hamster back to life is made to resemble Borris Karloff who not only played the Frankenstein monster but also the original mummy as well as the teacher resembling Tim Burton’s idol Vincent Price
Which also explains why Burton loves the name Victor, because Victor and Vincent are very similar names.
I always thought that when the teacher says victor didn’t love the creation I always thought that he meant that he cut corners and half assed it that and he only really did it to prove to Edgar that he could so he wouldn’t tell on him to everyone else
Exactly! I have commented in the last part explaining that putting love in a project (art or science) can make a huge difference in the results. I also believe that the animals had different results of being vicious (besides being nods to different horror movies) would be that missing variable as well as the result of messing with the nature of life and death. Sparky was a special case as he was a dog taken too soon from his family. While it would have been better if Sparky stayed dead by the end and Victor moves on...I can't help but feel that it may happen later on. While we see him live by the end of the film, Sparky will likely pass as Victor grows up and he (Victor) will see that this is no way for his dog to live as Sparky will likely still rot and fall apart and they can only stitch him up so much. Sparky will die knowing he was loved and will be grateful to spend more time with Victor and his family if not just for a bit longer.
Funfact, the reason sparky, zero, and the dog from corpse bride have the same nose shaped was simply because he didn’t have any other ways to design dogs. As shown is “Family dog” a failed pilot tim also worked on
The sea monkeys might also be a reference to the creature from the Black lagoon
This one's a long shot but I always felt like the whole pet cemetery and a kid bringing their pet back to life with a slight reference to Pet Sematary
The neighbor girl kind of also gave me Lydia Deetz vibes in design and ofc her dog is the bride
Well that would make sense; the neighbor girl is voice by Winona Ryder.
Also her dog is named Persephone
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt bad for the cat. As for the lack of love on the experiments. There is a kernel of truth in that. If you are passionate about something, you tend to put extra effort or double and triple check your variables. Since Victor was later blackmailed into bringing the goldfish back to life, he wasn't as careful as I bet he was with Sparky.
Every Burton stop motion movie features a different type of undead dog, including the not-really-Burton one (Nightmare Before Christmas).
*NBC* - ghost dog
*Corpse Bride* - skeleton dog
*Frankenweenie* - zombie dog
The last one is even dedicated entirely to the dog. So yeah, Burton loves dogs and horror.
"Loves dogs and horror"
God he's literally me lmfao
I agree with you on the ending (and with poor Mr. Whiskers' fate). The movie showed animals being brought back to life unwillingly and Victor's really lucky that Sparky still has his personality and loves him after being revived. Imagine how scary it would be if Sparky came back ala Church from Pet Sematary. I liked the idea that Victor would finally accept death for what it is and move on with having human friends and (if he was ready) get a new dog to create new memories with them.
Kinda ironic, how a car ended sparky’s life, then ended up being the very thing that helped resurrect him.
Congrats on 500k Steve you have survived the dreaded copyright law to earn this mark on your channel
Despite the film’s flaws, I can definitely see this movie (as well as Tim Burton’s other stop motion projects) being an inspiration for many upcoming stop motion horror filmmakers with a passion for classic monster movies… and it definitely is to me. I saw this in theatres when I was younger and I remember absolutely adoring it
Literally just finished watching the first part thinking I’d have to wait days for the second half. Only to find it uploaded seconds later. Now that’s science!
I think the only reason I would say I prefer the ending where Sparky comes back to life again is because of the awful and brutal way he “dies” again. Having Victor trying to move on from Sparky enduring ANOTHER traumatic death wouldn’t be as fulfilling. Having your dog die from being hit by a car, then dying again from being trapped by a fire, isn’t really a “I can heal and move on from this” type of ending. I could understand if it was something like Sparky naturally running out of electricity and Victor realizing that perpetually trying to keep Sparky alive did more harm than good, but two brutal deaths of the same character is just too depressing for kids. Especially because all the other animals terrorizing the town wasn’t Victor’s fault, it was the other children’s fault for blackmailing Victor (well, one of them anyways) and then getting too greedy. I think the good ending is well deserved, but that’s just my opinion and I respect yours.
These words at 4:35 really hit me. Right at this moment I'm having to struggle with the fact that my cat, that has been with me for the last 17 years, is going to pass soon, since she developed a tumor on her nose which weakened her a lot. Everyday I wake up with the fear that she might not be alive anymore, and I know that every day that pass is one day less I have with her. It's an horrible situation and I just don't know how I'll do after she passes, she has been my company, my friend on good and bad times since so long, and I'm just not ready for it. Idk if it sounds silly, it's just a cat I think might be what most people think, but I don't really care, she's special to me, and it hurts so much that she's probably a few days, weeks at best, from passing.
The words said in this video really stuck with me tho. At least in my memories she will still be alive.
Stay strong, man. I've been having Zoele for 8 years and I dread the day he will get too old and I will be in your place, and your comment already chokes me up. It's not just an animal, it's a being you've formed a special bond with. She will never truly pass away as long as you remember her, and while early on it will trigger tears, eventually it'll just be a go-to thought in order to feel serene as if she's still there, and that will be proof she's not really gone. Take care, I wish you the best.
@@DeepEye1994 thanks for the words.
Sadly, she passed away this morning. I'm still trying accept that she will no longer be around.
@@Mr.Vini2204 Oh my god... My deepest condolences. I can't talk from experience of losing a pet, but I've lost a parent three years ago and my best advice is to not bottle anything up, talk to someone you trust or to a therapist and do not let anything bottled up.
Eventually she'll keep being your loving pet in your mind without triggering tears but being calming because she's still with you deep down. RIP good kitty
It was a nice touch that the final showdown was at a burning windmill, much like the original 1930s film had for its climax as well.
I might be misremembering, but I think in the Hispanic dubbed version the teacher tells Victor that the experiment was different because of variables instead of love. And I thought that made a lot of sense, because even if they followed the same procedure exactly, they were using different animals each time (and the fish was in water). So it made sense that the teacher said that it was the variables which caused the many different results.
Like i said Tim Burtons work never fails to amaze! although for me it's kinda complicated because as much as i love Mr. Burton's work i'm not really that big a fan of stop motion stuff, i mean i don't hate it but i can definitely appreciate it because like all animation stop motion is an art.
Therapist: Evil Steve isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Evil Steve: 1:44
I have this movie! It’s really kind of cute.
We actually sometimes joked that our dog was a Frankenweenie because we figured he had some Daschund heritage in him and he had a surgical scar on his back from when he was younger
The Sea Monkeys are also a reference to Creature From The Black Lagoon, hence their name "Sea Creatures"
Minus the leaving Sparky dead part (which I'm on the fence about) I actually like that ending you came up with. I kinda liked the other kids and wanted to see them holding up in the end.
Ever since first seeing it, I always thought this film DESPERATELY needed an epilogue or something. Like, what's that Weird Girl's reaction to the fact that her fur baby is gone? With every other kid, down to the last frame that they're in, I asked "What happened to them?!"
I enjoy this movie, but that part always bugged me.
You should review Over the Garden Wall
Omg he really should :0
Agreed
100% YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
That would be a perfect series for him to discuss and review!
The final realization that Tim Burton didn't hired this 2 actors is just a chef kiss.
Love the review, never see the movie because I was already older at that time, was focused on other stuff, but seeing your point of view, really makes me appreciate the creativity and the ideas they use to make it.
*I love when Steve said "It's reviewin' time!" and reviewed all over the Frankenweenie. Truly one of the videos of all time.*
Someone else made that lame joke last vid
It was you. Why spam that on every vid? Are you a bot or are you just that un funny
Not valid
no! bad! bad commenter! bad! in all seriousness the meme's dead. please stop.
not funny
didn't laugh
I think the fish was gone not because Viktor didn't love it, but because he wasn't passionate about being forced to perform an experiment, that's why it's failed.
I love this movie, and I have to agree with you on the ending. Victor should've just let Sparky die again and move on, all the other kids had to do it. And they should've shown the other kids a little more after the festival and how they come to terms with re-losing their pets. And the invisible fish thing is because Victor really didn't care about it and just did it to shut Edgar up
i like how the guy who looks like Boris Karloff (the actor who played Frankenstiens monster to all you who dont know black and white movies) dosn't create another frankenstien, but rather what he makes is a mummy, which karloff also played, that is clever
(i changed it because i made fun of Gen Z people, but with how many of you kept defending yourselves, i changed it)
Lol I’m Gen-Z and I’m very familiar with Boris Karloff. I remember cracking a joke with a co-worker who’s name was “Barris” but it sounded like “bore-ress” because we worked around aircraft and it was always loud.
Anyways when he told me his name I said, “Boris? Like Boris Karloff?” 😄
He just stared at me so I said, “ Frankenstein?”
He never got it and I just stood there feeling silly and cheeky. I was 21 at the time.
@@prettyasgold5518 im just glad you and your co worker got that
I'm sadly gen z as well
I'm Gen Z and know Boris Karloff. Actors that are famous for portraying monsters in films are some of my favorite.
@@Megaspinosaurusrex okay when i you're okay then, i just meant people who have no respect for anything because its black and white
For some reason, when shellye dies dies, i kinda felt bad for Toshaki as his reaction showed that whilst he was just gonna use her for the science fair, he did show some love on how he said Shelley
"Dog survives, 7/10" - Steve
I think the "you didn't love the second experiment" part was about passion for the project.
As a creative type, when I make something I'm passionate about it generally turns out great. If I try to recreate it later for someone else, it turns out worst than the first try. Even with more experience, just because I'm not as passionate about it anymore.
But that is my best guess.
I love when Steve said "It's reviewin' time!" and reviewed all over the movie
Truly one of the videos of all time.
Def a bot
I thought the reason for the fish disappearing was because he wasn’t as desperate to bring it back as he was for sparky so subconsciously he changed variables for his experiment making its result different
the sea monkeys are more of a creature of a black lagoon reference fitting with the aquatic nature and adding to the black and white theme.
Holy crap, congratulations on hitting 500k Steve! Any reviewer would kill for that. Keep doing what your doing man.
Some information from the original short: Shelley Duvall & Daniel Stern play Victor’s parents and a young Sofia Coppola shows up in her first acting credit.
I saw this during October and I thought it was pretty good. The ending didn't really bug me and I kind of got the goldfish thing. Basically if you truly don't put your heart into something then there's a chance of it not turning out how you want it. So it kind of can fall into the science thing since if your working on science project but are just half assing it the results can be different. I do agree that the cat got a raw deal as you said the cat never did anything but had messed up shit happened to it near the end for no real reason.
The long awaited sequel has finally arrived
Dude, the previous Frankenweenie video was released yesterday.
You telling me you consider a day "long-awaited"?
@@talleaffe bro I was joking
I remember seeing this movie for the first time during a pool party at a disney resort
Odd memory but there it is
Not gonna lie, I haven’t seen this movie so there might be a in-movie reason for this, but I saw the giant turtle and thought, “Damn, Tim Burton or someone on the creative team must be a giant monster fan, cause you add tusks to that thing, that’s basically Gamera.” Lol
Gamera but weaker cause it died to electricity
I feel like resurrecting all the other pets kinda ruined the ending. In the original short Sparky is the only dead pet running around and all the townsfolk are scared of him and want him dead until he saves Victor from the burning windmill. It feels kinda like the other kids all resurrecting their pets was added to make it long enough to be a full length movie and having them all be evil was just added for extra conflict. It makes it seem less realistic that the townsfolk would bring him back after what all the other pets did.
8:19 I mean, it still has Catherine O’Hara, so it’s still a Burton film
The ending Steve came up with is a better ending. Wish we got that ending. Love this video 💪🏾💯🙏🏾🔥
I would've loved to have seen this continue as a TV series with a focus on the other kids as well as Victor & Sparky.
Understand wanting the mature ending, it would sound better... But in this movie ... Not trying to reresurrect Sparky would be weird.
It isn't shown as far as I remember why he shouldn't be alive, is not like Sparky is suffering, or breaking the natural order have anything going bad because of him
I loved this movie as a kid, especially with the gamera reference,but it was really messed up, great video!
Love your videos, you do a great job in your reviews and you add a level of humor at times that still makes me laugh. I would like to weigh in on one thing though. The result with the fish being explained by love, I personally think it's not literally cuz he doesn't love it but rather that when doing the experiment with sparky he put a lot of care and effort into the experiment but with the fish he just wanted to rush through it and get it over with. So he changed the variables altering the result. It's like when people say that a meal was prepared with love it doesn't literally mean love was put in it but rather that it was made with a great deal of care and effort and that can alter and be experienced in the end result. That's my opinion anyways but I could also just be blowing hot air so take that for what you will.
It would’ve been cute if the cat didn’t become a villain and the giant turtle was used in the final fight.
The Wolf House (2018) seems right up your alley. I'd love to see a video about it if you ever get around to it.
The music is fantastic and perfect as always.
I think the zombie pets are killed by electricity is the fact that only a certain amount helps them, when even more electricity will cause them to be overcharged and destroyed
You should review Fantastic Planet: It's this strange French animated film that horrified me as a kid.
Love your videos!
Well I sure couldn’t have timed my UA-cam binge any better.
when I was a kid I was traumatised over this movie 'cause of the Godamn bat cat
Thanks for a great review. Loved the ending!
Loved the Elsa reference!
I Love ❤️ Old Disney
I do agree that Sparky should've stayed dead at the end of the film. Perhaps they could've added the detail of despite the animals being resurrected, they felt some pain which suggests that it's better that they stayed dead and Victor voluntarily allows Sparky to peacefully die on his own terms after saving the day instead of a freak accident
there is a little explenation as to why some of the monsters are harmed by electricty but not sparky, or why some of them basically go on a rampage, the science teacher says it "you changed the variable" sometimes even one little thing can change everything
I think that the next film Steve gonna review will be Wendell and Wild
As a cat person, i have to say that Mr Whiskers was done too dirty. He was a good kitty.
Tim burton just has a way of making his own brand of creepy funny.
Congrats on 500K Steve!!! Will you do another Q and A to celebrate?
The weird girl really kinda got the short end of the stick and there were plenty of loopholes by the end
"Sometimes dead is better."
I felt the same way about the ending, Steve
I've not yet seen the whole film, but now I've seen thee review it just makes me want to watch it now.
Steve I been rewatxhing your content everyday I love you
Because, variables for sparky and everything else is different, all it takes is one difference to completely change everything. From animals, stichings, bolts and how long animals were deceased for or if they were at all.
i love the yt copyright system
I had watched Frankenweenie in the theater in my high school. It was beautifully nostalgic. My favorite animation film.
I know that I am late, but I highly recommend you review A Christmas Carol, the one with Jim Carrey. Two reasons why I want you to review it. A. It is near Christmas time. B. Despite being a kid Disney film, it still has dark, scary and horror like elements. Absolutely your cup of tea.
"I feel like the more mature ending should have had Victor come to terms that he can't keep Sparky alive and it's the kind of thing to just let him go."
Wouldn't be much of a Tim Burton movie if that happened.
The catbat being stabbed in the heart is a reference to driving a stake through a vampire’s heart to kill them (despite better ways)
I always loved this movie, it deserves more love
1:48 Oh Steve, don't look up the dark history of Sea monkeys
Super cool video
I have always enjoyed this film, and I also agree of the things you said about the ending, overall, the best review of frankenweenie I've seen
I feel like the cat would have deserved that if it had somehow caused Sparky's original death.
The cat being psychic was supposed to be for shadowing that bringing back sparky would lead to big things. Like she said if the cat has a dream it means something big is gonna happen. And when sparky is braught back it leads to a giant animal zombie throw down.
I remember renting this one back in the day
I remember watching this movie when I was younger... I must have blurted out like 70% of the movie since I don't remember the evil bat cat or the giant tortoise.
Amazing
IMO the only thing stopping this movie from being great is the choice to bring Sparky back after he dies again. It was ALMOST a great commentary on accepting loss and death. I was very disappointed that they didn’t go “Old Yeller” by letting him die, but Victor gets one of the puppies.
0:19
It even looks a bit like Gamera too.
Minus the tusks.
Well that was sure faster than what I expected
"Sometimes you just need to let things go."
So you could almost say sometimes dead is better, eh? Eh?
*crickets*
the grounds turned sour!
as someone from eastern europe the science teacher's name is probably the LEAST complicated name I heard
at least it's not grzegorz brzęczyszłodze
Frankenweenie is not only a nod to classic Horror Films, but also Tim Burton's film style
Itself being a Frankenstein's Monster of sorts
Gran video. ❤
This man deserves more and 1mil subs a southing voice and good commentary
Why the scars on Sparky? It's a Tim Burton signature in his aesthetics. Sketches everywhere. On Catwoman costume, on sparky, in Corpse Bride, he just loves it.
Ironically, real sea monkeys (or at least their "wild" cousins") are brine shrimp that are almost exclusively found in saline lakes. Makes the scene of a sea monkey exploding from salty popcorn all the more amusing.
Shelley actally turned into a kaiju on his gigantic look! He looks like the other turtle kaiju gamera
Honestly I like the whole 'love is a variable' bit in science. Its not entirely untrue; as scientists a lot of energy and concern goes into ensuring biased results/reporting doesn't happen, and love as a variable feels like a fantastical extension of that issue. But I think I'd prefer the ending to be 'the cars can help Sparky 'wake up' but cannot bring him back to life for long, so Victor and Sparky have to/get to say goodbye.'. That, in my opinion, would actually take on the concept of death and having to cope with it while allowing the characters a moment of mercy in that they get to say goodbye to each other. It might be cheesy but most often the reality of losing a pet seems to be having to put them down, and the closure of having a goodbye is something a kid could actually benefit from having been modeled by a piece of media.
But I really dislike how the other pets were treated, especially the cat. Its too calloused/mean in my opinion, and it would have been a stronger movie if Victor bonded with the other children because they had lost pets and upon learning that Victor lost Sparky reached out to him with empathy due to having experienced that pain themselves.
Elsa Van Helsing is also a reference to Lydia Deets from Beetlejuice, another Burton creation
This is definitely one of my favorite Tim Burton films. Not his best, but still very good! You can tell he put a lot of love into this movie.
And while I do agree the ending was a bit of a cop out, and Sparky staying dead would have had a better message, I think Burton made it like that because that's the kind of ending he probably would have wanted to see as a kid. And it's very apparent that this movie was made mostly for him. And personally, I don't mind the ending. It's nice to have a monster movie with a happy ending once in a while. lol
This made me realized that Frankenweenie and the Iron Giant have more in common