@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines My friend, I will try to make some some sense for you. About five months ago a girl was raped on a train in Philadelphia. You can look it up on UA-cam. There were a lot of nice harmless men standing by. Some of them were even filming the rape. Not one of those harmless men helped the girl. The good ,dangerous man would have intervened and not allowed the girl to be raped. Which man would you want around if your girlfriend, wife, sister, mother or grandmother ,was being harmed?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Was your intent is to prove that commentor right-that you lack the facilities necessary to understand what is being discussed? Then you have succeeded. It is an undeveloped mind which returns criticism with a stubborn "no, you". Midwit indeed. If you have any children, perhaps ask them to explain Mr. Peterson's point to you.
Those who have seen the worst that our world has to offer appreciate everything good so much more, so we're willing to protect that innocence from evil if we can......
leroi dupetrol he’s pretty much saying that harmless guys are good because they have to be. They are too cowardly to be any else. A dangerous man has the ability to destroy those around him but chooses not too. He is good because he chooses to be good.
@leroi dupetrol Because no one is completely harmless, at least not in every situation, and so the fact that someone is pretty harmless now is no guarantee that they won't be harmful in the future. And since no one is totally pure, if you think you're harmless then you'll be blind to your own potential to be harmful and less likely to keep it controlled.
THIS! It breeds resentment expecting others to behave as honorably towards you, as you believe you are towards them. The resentment alone can do a number bc it drastically increases the likelihood that you will act out of spite in return for their slight - real or imagined. Absolutely that makes you dishonorable.
The main effect ive seen of positive preconceptions is disappointment. Theres also pain and confusion but it doesnt seem to lead to aggression when ive seen it
@@pietroscarpa2384 I will take the book of God over even Jordan Peterson. I rarely disagree with him. But I do on this. It's how he comes off about it. He makes it seem like being dangerous is a virtue. It is not, it is a necessity to sometimes be dangerous. I don't agree with the because there is a absence of something therefore you are not a other thing.
This is progression is from Maps of meaning 2016 Lecture 05 Part 1. That video changed my life and my wife's perspective. We lost a child to a liver transplant in 2014. This lecture taught me that, not only are we built to overcome massive amounts of trauma and change, but that it could be redeemed and purposed for good. For my wife, it taught her that she is now different. Set apart from others. And that that is ok and it is up to her to find how to work that for good.
A lot of people forget to mention that enlightenment isnt an easy ride. I have so many negative symptoms that have come with it but you just gotta keep trucking
We can't forget that enlightenment is not a constant state. It's a fight between dark and light, the enlightenment part comes from choosing the struggle against the darkness over submission to it.
@Christopher Portway That's a huge myth. After enlightenment is when the real work starts! Not only that, according to enlightened folks, it never stops. Look up "enlightened teachers" on UA-cam and start listening.
So true. I used to be naive - until I got burned by a couple of people at work that ‘would go to any lengths to win’. I then begun to understand the true nature of some nasty people.
I was born and raised in East Oakland. I managed to get out and get myself an education. Today I find myself helping startups and SMEs bring their products to life from China. I like to think that doing my time in Oakland prepared me for the world.
1:20 this, this right here. I have argued this in various forms and it triggers the same response everytime. People just absolutely refuse to understand this and that somehow i'm the ludicrous and crazy one and that i'm ignorant and need to be put in an insane asylum. I'm so happy that Jordan made this video. Finally I can reference it and they have no choice but to face the problem.
@@Morning_star7778 Well not really. The problem isn't within the argument itself being true. The problem is that people live in their own bubble and when you show them truth that breaks their narrative they panic because they realize that they have built a foundation on what they thought they knew. So some serious fear sets in and they panic. Their chosen method is just to attack you (the one bringing in provable truth) since you seem the smaller threat than dealing with the actual situation. It's where society is as a whole, especially after decades of mass media and college brainwashing. Still the information works like a shield, like a crucifix or a garland of garlic to ward a vampire away temporarily.
@@John_Conner222 I don't know, I think people have always been like this. Maybe that's why there is such an advantage in being kind. Organized society, miraculously, makes kindness and altruism an option; sometimes even necessary to be successful against the alternative of being constantly competitive with one another. What I'm discovering though is that understanding actually brings sorrow, and your comment makes me think that you have a lot of revelations about people that end up being disappointing, ultimately. That's just a guess, but only because this so far is my common experience with people. That used to make me resentful towards people in general, but more and more, I'm beginning to cultivate compassion towards everyone along this line. I think the point that Peterson makes about good people needing to be dangerous is that ability to bite taking a back seat to being a good person, which firmly grips the wheel at all times lest goodness loses control and we become uncontrollably dangerous instead. Goodness so far in life, was easy to develop as a child, difficult to maintain as an adult, and very very difficult to get back once I've surrendered it for the sake of being temporarily dangerous. Maybe I'm meandering and this doesn't resonate at all. But the panultimate revelation I've received in facing this world is the simple knowledge that love always knows what to do in every situation. And though people have failed me in the face of that, this has never failed me personally. Much love my man.
@@Morning_star7778 Absolutely correct in every way. The part that was hard for me to understand is why everyone mistook my kindness for weakness, because every fear of every person is a perception of their projections. The amount of cruelty I have received in my lifetime was pretty significant. I'm a fairly beefy guy well over 6'ft stocky with lots of muscle and years of various martial arts experience. I'm like why on earth do people not only think they can poke me like poking a hungry lion with a stick but they get mad when they wake up the beast and I defend myself. I would say a good number of people are still stuck in a traumatic nightmare of high school, lashing out at everything. Love truly does conquer all and it definitely conquers fear but you must be grounded and resilient yourself or otherwise be consumed in the process.
Yeah, this interview is assuming a lot of myths regarding "enlightenment." A person can be enlightened and still have years of shadow/ego work to go through. The ego can still influence an "enlightened" person, and there are many pitfalls after an initial realization of one's true nature, ones true identity as the all that is, as the emptiness. There is a never ending unfolding, the "work" is never done. Integrating "spirit" and humanity is never ending. They should interview Ekhart Tolle or Adyashanti, or one of so many enlightened teachers that are out there today! Not that JP isn't enlightened, I often think that if he isn't already, he's well on his way. But he doesn't claim it as his wheelhouse. Then again no enlightened teacher would ever say it directly, but they normally speak of how they had an energetic shift and change from personal to universal identity, etc.
Plenty say it directly. To do otherwise is to beat around the bush and is most unhelpful. If someone doesn’t claim to be awakened, there’s no reason to think they are (generally; there may be some exceptions)
From Foreign Affairs Minister to Harry Potter to dropped-out friends to Beauty and the Beast. If you can put these things together and explain a single idea with them so clearly and coherently off the top of your head in less than 4 minutes, then you must be on to something profoundly true and correct.
I lived in Yugoslavia. I was 11 when the war started. My village was destroyed and occupied by the aggressor and I had to live out of my home for 9 years as a refugee. Now I live in that same village after all.
Good question. I'd have to rethink it all but I don't think it would be something I could express easily in a UA-cam comment. Especially because English is not my native language.
My 4 favorite Peterson Quotes: 1. If you are not capable of cruelty, then you are a victim to anyone who is. 2. The best defense against malicious men are good men who are more stealth at being malicious. 3. If you want peace, prepare for war. 4. Your presence should radiate a potential for havoc. For the past 3+ years I have hit the bag for 10 minutes in the morning in order to perfect a hard punch if ever needed. I am a very gentle man, love protecting the weak, can't stand bullies, and ready at a moment's notice to become dangerous in order to protect the innocent.
@@DanHowardMtl lmao so a person is going to assault another over words? Best case scenario the aggressor goes to court, worst case scenario a concealed handgun comes out and it's game over.
@@DanHowardMtl Context: Jen farmer said that Jocko wouldn't touch them. Your reply: Jocko would definitely assault Jen farmer in public. What I said: assaulting people randomly in the streets is exactly how a celebrity gets nailed with a lawsuit, or how stupid people lose their life because someone made legal use of their self-defense rights, and jacketed hollow points don't care if you're a 6'4 200lbs hunk of muscle. Please enlighten me on how I didn't comprehend your crazy assumption that Jocko would randomly assault people on the street.
Yes it can be. Although sometimes it happens to people who aren't suffering that much pain. They call it Grace. It can happen to anyone at any time. Suffering does make it easier to let go of mind/ego, but it's not always necessary. They say we are all enlightened, we simply refuse to see, entrapped in the dream world of mind.
I try to stay out of trouble, because I don't know my own strength, and I don't like confrontation. But i know that if I let loose, I could probably cause a lot of (irreparable) damage. That is one of my biggest fears.
Same but you also have to be willing to accept the fact that there are others in that room that are just as capable. Sometimes at the end of the day the irreparable damage is only done to yourself. It's really not worth it.. like a great martial arts teacher once said it's easy to spot the Wise warrior when trouble is about to ensue because he's the one that leaves the room.
JP: A good man is a dangerous one who has control of himself. A good man should be attractive to many women, but only choose one. Damn. That some standard.
I’ve wondered that myself. If we have monks who literally dedicate their entire lives to attaining enlightenment, how come we don’t hear about it more? If anyone would get there it would be them. But maybe it’s actually really hard then. But that also means we normal people have no hope of getting there. But I feel the more I learn about stoicism and practice it, enlightenment is just our best self. We can’t be that all the time, but we certainly can increase it more. Thanks Jocko!
@@Yetipfote @Volvox Don't have the time or the apps, those apps are pricey, Echo would make some bad @$$ content how ever, given the fame of the theme it would create more exposure, free advertisement :) oddly most 1 v 1s are mediocre, but Echo makes some serious high quality content.
Mr peterson, i am not a good man according to what u said, i am just a man who tries to do good things, it never worked out well for me, but i m still trying, i am about to give up
It’s ok to do good things for people. But you have to be aware of how much it is reciprocated. It doesn’t mean don’t do things for people that don’t do things for you. It means be aware of who is appreciative and give back vs those that just take. Just focus on yourself to a near selfish point. What i mean is focus on your career, improve or develop meaningful relationships along this self work journey. If you are single that’s actually perfect for self improvement as a guy. Women are great but shouldn’t be a priority over yourself. Still approach and talk to them though. Remember that if you approach 1 random woman a month for 3 years, you would have approached more women than over 80% of guys to in their lifetime. Men reach their peak usually around 40 when it comes to attention from women because those men are established and show traits of a leader they learned from working and learning. You aren’t born with value, but you are born with nearly unlimited potential. You have to work for it now to get it later. Stay strong and i hope i helped somehow. Side note exercise, you will literally stand above the majority of people if you are in above average shape. All if this builds competence which builds confidence and that makes you the most attractive you can be naturally. Adversity builds character.
incorporate your darkside into your being and tame it like beauty did the beast one of the worst mistakes is to believe you don't have a darkside . Either you control it or it controls you .
Most people don't have the strength to endure the facing up to the truth that everyone else hides from all of the time. People have invented lies for a reason. It makes enduring the unending onslaught of death slightly more bearable. Animals live in constant flight or fight, life of death mode and thus cannot spare time and energy for philosophy. The sheer luxury of having the option of going around, pontificating, with your needs met and hardly a worry for your safety is taken for granted by so many people.
Agreed. I dont know if he meant that Milosevic as part of Soviet Union or the time when Milosevic visited Soviet Union. Again, why Milosevic is labeled as a bad guy, when he was proven innocent by UN court?
Serbia was on the side of the USSR, Milošević was the president. He was not proven innocent, he died during trial which in den Haag is a long ass process. Might be biased because my parents fought in the war, but I know a lot more than most of the world about that topic.
Jocko.. I've been binge watching your podcast channel here and I have a question for you. After all the true heros you've interviewed.. all discussing the events of their military career and true, true heros.. have you ever thought about discussing what causes these people to be put in a situation where their character shows? I hear so much about how they were "fighting for our freedom".. do you truly deep down believe that? Not In any way taking anything from either your service or the service of any armed forces member/vet. I have huge respect for all of you. I just lately sit and think about why any of them are put in these situations that require heroism to survive. Please.. nobody assume what my thoughts are on these difficult subjects and just comment disrespectful garbage. I'm simply asking if Jocko has an opinion on the topic and maybe if we could ever see a podcast where the topic of 'why' is discussed. Thanks..
Bada Bing, I’ve wondered the same thing. Why go to war for someone else to be a hero? Have you read the Iliad? You should. The Caroline Alexander translation is awesome on audiobook.
Ur soldirs are killers nothing else, defending ur country lol, come to our countries to see what they did, all the kids they killed, all the women they raped, all the good they did in the name of ur freedom... Ur freedom u said, do u think having any after destroying our countries ? Do u feel like ur situation have been upgraded ? Or it s just what u tell urself after watching the body of an innocent child on ur screen ?
Ooo, he's talking about the Shadow. Love that shit. Also love the mental game of "what would I do if I was a bad guy?" I've scared the shit out of "normal" people by playing it out loud and breaking their illusion of safety.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Thanks. I've read a bit of Jung already. That pretty much defines my down time - put my nose in a book. On the digital setup thing, Brave is my browser of choice. Some of the best privacy options, ad-blocking and all that stuff. Not a fan of MacOS or iOS, but then again I've self-taught to manage my own security on Windows machines.
Meekness = strength under control; originating from the Greek word 'praus' (pra-oose). Greek soldiers would "meek" a wild horse to become a trained war horse that could stop on a dime or rush unto battle when commanded. These days they call it 'gentling' a horse.
Ever see the incredible? The villain says - "When everybody's super, no one is." If everyone was "enlightened" , there would be no exceptionally "enlightened" individuals. We would all equal, normal, regular, mediocre. Etc
I am a nice person. But when people argue with each other and things start to escalate, I tend to stay quiet and let them fight unless it involves me. Does it matter if you are a loud person? What about people who don’t have voices but are winning. Is this okay?
I think people are against this because we as a society (im american) has forgotten the sheer and utter destruction men are capable of. A man who chooses can cause alot of pain. It takes a good man to learn to restrain himself and put that chaotic energy into improving the lives of others. They are the ones that defend us from the men that don’t hold back and if jordan peterson is a bad person or speaking nonsense just because he believes that men that DO NOT use their strength for selfish reasons are decent people. I however think very pragmatically so im open to hear why people thinks this is a problem.
He starts out saying how if there was a pathway, more would be enlightened, implying that he’s unaware of one. And then he described what he thinks it takes to be enlightened. And it’s a pathway...
Mr. Peterson I think that the very very dangerous side of a good man is in fact some evil that a lot of us try to balance with the good. It's interesting to wonder if evil is still evil in the hands of a good man with a good cause. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as we get the right job done. Any thoughts?
While it was a good snippet it didn't give no answer to why People are not enlightened. Rather it was an inspiration to incorporate your dark side in order to grow. But to become enlightened you need to transcend the concept of both, good and evil. I think the real answer might be this: The route to enlightenment is simply fucking difficult and takes your entire lifetime while challenging you to do the opposite of what society upholds as valuable.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Enlightenment is the end of suffering BECAUSE you get satisfied and comfortable. But what happens when--- lets say a god threatens you. You're weak, pathetic and their play thing. All because you became a glutton. 1 enlightened soul= 1 sun. 1 base god, a demi-god= 10 million suns. Always hungry, never satisifed is the way to go. You should starve yourself but feed yourself. Don't become a glutton and don't give into your raw power, because there's always a bigger fish. ..Well except me, i'm indestructible on a spiritual level so i can do as i please XD
And enlightenment cant save you from usury in the banking or insurance system. Wake up, not everyone is an entrepreneur, not everyone wants to be, but the capitalist system we live in is corrupted and corroded beyond belief. That's the problem.
@@alexb8560 Well yeah, it can save you from it... (But chill out with the anti-semitism bro). It's all about realizing the difference between what you actually need and what you think you need. Anyway, nah, if you're talking about most places in the West then things are better than they've ever been.
@@Szolrykor And most places in America certainly arent better than they ever have been if half of the working population lives paycheck to paycheck and most social security and Medicaid benefits go to the middle class. You live in a delusion, one where the stock market going through the roof means the poor are doing well. A delusion where people like Peterson tell you to make your bed in order to overcome your problems.
@@alexb8560 And what are you doing besides blaming anything and everything that you can't control? Nothing? Ok, then we can dismiss and ostracize you as you aren't providing value to out existence.
For alien vampires (greed/hate) to comprehend earthling human beings (hearts/love) is like black holes in space trying to comprehend the stars (light and warmth) that "they" suck out of the heavens (joy, beauty and harmony).
They could be. Start by getting them all to meditate at the same time, worldwide, everyone. Organise it, keep doing it weekly for example, until the call to do so reaches every person. Focus on truth of it being done.
@@jamesahern9864 Not exactly. It was an independent state with a free market economy and closer to socialism than outright communism. It was in the USSR's sphere of influence but more or less to same extent of other communist nations such as China, Vietnam or Cuba for example.
@@nickrad6966 "a free market economy and closer to socialism" Rethink that; those are mutually exclusive. They were more capitalistic than the USSR, but they were definitely not free market. Far closer during the Milosovic era to fascism.
@@immikeurnot "Free" was the wrong word yes, they were a socialist market economy where individual enterprises were self-managed. Very different to the USSR that had a centralised command economy.
If you know what a human being is capable or and you should it has nothing to do with a good man being harmless... that's will be the least of your concerns.
Jordan Peterson would make a great defense against dark arts teacher.
Haha he certainly is lost in kids movies haha... I’ve never seen someone relate to kids movies so much before lol.
@@aceggkspade958 because they’re mythological with such deep meanings and everyone knows about them so they are easy to source.
Nice
He'd turn them inside out.
"So there is an unforgivable curse that turns people into lobsters, so to speak.." Avadakalobster! Sorry dude, I know your comment is a year old. Haha
"A harmless man is not a good man." "A good man is a very very dangerous man."
Some of the best words I have heard in my life!!!! Thank you!!!
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines My friend, I will try to make some
some sense for you. About five months ago a girl was raped on a train in
Philadelphia. You can look it up on UA-cam. There were a lot of nice
harmless men standing by. Some of them were even filming the rape.
Not one of those harmless men helped the girl. The good ,dangerous man
would have intervened and not allowed the girl to be raped. Which man
would you want around if your girlfriend, wife, sister, mother or grandmother
,was being harmed?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines This topic is just too deep for you.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Says the midwit lol
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Was your intent is to prove that commentor right-that you lack the facilities necessary to understand what is being discussed? Then you have succeeded. It is an undeveloped mind which returns criticism with a stubborn "no, you". Midwit indeed. If you have any children, perhaps ask them to explain Mr. Peterson's point to you.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I can't believe you liked your own comments, that is so sad lmfao
If you know you are capable of destroying those around you but don't, you are far greater than a man who prefers to be ignorant of evil
Excellent quote:" a good man is a dangerous man but chooses to control it"! Words to live by!
suck on this
That quote is wrong
@@princealmighty5391 That quote is amazing.
@@Mike-xh2vm I agree 💯 , I think he was saying the actual quoted words were wrong.
Those who have seen the worst that our world has to offer appreciate everything good so much more, so we're willing to protect that innocence from evil if we can......
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines "All it takes for evil to succeed us for good men to do nothing."
What are YOU doing?
This is deep: HARMLESS MAN IS NOT A GOOD MAN ... A GOOD MAN IS A DANGEROUS MAN WHO HAS THAT UNDER CONTROL
leroi dupetrol he’s pretty much saying that harmless guys are good because they have to be. They are too cowardly to be any else. A dangerous man has the ability to destroy those around him but chooses not too. He is good because he chooses to be good.
@leroi dupetrol Because no one is completely harmless, at least not in every situation, and so the fact that someone is pretty harmless now is no guarantee that they won't be harmful in the future. And since no one is totally pure, if you think you're harmless then you'll be blind to your own potential to be harmful and less likely to keep it controlled.
@leroi dupetrol A harmless man is only good because he is forced to be, otherwise the world will reject him.
@leroi dupetrol same thing.
“Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings, who think themselves good because they have no claws!” -Neitsche, thus spake zarathustra
Assuming everyone is as honourable as you will one day make you a dishonourable person.
THIS! It breeds resentment expecting others to behave as honorably towards you, as you believe you are towards them. The resentment alone can do a number bc it drastically increases the likelihood that you will act out of spite in return for their slight - real or imagined. Absolutely that makes you dishonorable.
The main effect ive seen of positive preconceptions is disappointment. Theres also pain and confusion but it doesnt seem to lead to aggression when ive seen it
Othello
Expectation is one hell of a poison
Wow! Damn right
Wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove. 🕊🐍🕊
Matthew 10:16
@@pietroscarpa2384 I will take the book of God over even Jordan Peterson. I rarely disagree with him. But I do on this. It's how he comes off about it. He makes it seem like being dangerous is a virtue. It is not, it is a necessity to sometimes be dangerous. I don't agree with the because there is a absence of something therefore you are not a other thing.
If being "enlightened" was easy, everyone would be... it's hard and not everyone can or want to push beyond the veil.
The Warrior and the Sage
I am the warrior, sage, magician, true king (who grows out of a hero---heros are for children).
This is progression is from Maps of meaning 2016 Lecture 05 Part 1. That video changed my life and my wife's perspective. We lost a child to a liver transplant in 2014. This lecture taught me that, not only are we built to overcome massive amounts of trauma and change, but that it could be redeemed and purposed for good. For my wife, it taught her that she is now different. Set apart from others. And that that is ok and it is up to her to find how to work that for good.
A lot of people forget to mention that enlightenment isnt an easy ride. I have so many negative symptoms that have come with it but you just gotta keep trucking
2 of my heroes. Bless these men
Jbp and jocko together is magical. Truly.
cool
What an amazing human being thank you Jocko much love!
I resolved before I become a senior to be a controlled dangerous man. Dr. Peterson hardened my resolution - much thanks.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Shakespeare
I wonder what he knew
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I don’t get it
Brian Garber it means If you look at everything from your own perspective you won’t understand anything
Dark Ether felt like I was the one who took peyote while watching that. what is that from?
Justin Penner from ONLY* your own perspective
We can't forget that enlightenment is not a constant state. It's a fight between dark and light, the enlightenment part comes from choosing the struggle against the darkness over submission to it.
If you only knew how deep that dragon hole truly is
ua-cam.com/video/Wwnk0q3TBqA/v-deo.html
only one way to find out
Great comment!
Dark Ether I need to know more, can you tell me?
What does submission to it mean?
@Christopher Portway That's a huge myth. After enlightenment is when the real work starts! Not only that, according to enlightened folks, it never stops. Look up "enlightened teachers" on UA-cam and start listening.
So true. I used to be naive - until I got burned by a couple of people at work that ‘would go to any lengths to win’. I then begun to understand the true nature of some nasty people.
Having danger under voluntary control is what i had .. Lost it and im broken .. I need to get back up again and reclaim it
Growing up in East Oakland, CA I grew up around alot of young men that are not here anymore. They were Wolves that taught me to think like them!
I was born and raised in East Oakland. I managed to get out and get myself an education. Today I find myself helping startups and SMEs bring their products to life from China. I like to think that doing my time in Oakland prepared me for the world.
If you think tough men are dangerous, what until you see what weak men are capable of
1:20 this, this right here. I have argued this in various forms and it triggers the same response everytime. People just absolutely refuse to understand this and that somehow i'm the ludicrous and crazy one and that i'm ignorant and need to be put in an insane asylum. I'm so happy that Jordan made this video. Finally I can reference it and they have no choice but to face the problem.
Did it work
@@Morning_star7778 Well not really. The problem isn't within the argument itself being true. The problem is that people live in their own bubble and when you show them truth that breaks their narrative they panic because they realize that they have built a foundation on what they thought they knew. So some serious fear sets in and they panic. Their chosen method is just to attack you (the one bringing in provable truth) since you seem the smaller threat than dealing with the actual situation. It's where society is as a whole, especially after decades of mass media and college brainwashing. Still the information works like a shield, like a crucifix or a garland of garlic to ward a vampire away temporarily.
@@John_Conner222 I don't know, I think people have always been like this. Maybe that's why there is such an advantage in being kind. Organized society, miraculously, makes kindness and altruism an option; sometimes even necessary to be successful against the alternative of being constantly competitive with one another.
What I'm discovering though is that understanding actually brings sorrow, and your comment makes me think that you have a lot of revelations about people that end up being disappointing, ultimately. That's just a guess, but only because this so far is my common experience with people. That used to make me resentful towards people in general, but more and more, I'm beginning to cultivate compassion towards everyone along this line.
I think the point that Peterson makes about good people needing to be dangerous is that ability to bite taking a back seat to being a good person, which firmly grips the wheel at all times lest goodness loses control and we become uncontrollably dangerous instead. Goodness so far in life, was easy to develop as a child, difficult to maintain as an adult, and very very difficult to get back once I've surrendered it for the sake of being temporarily dangerous. Maybe I'm meandering and this doesn't resonate at all. But the panultimate revelation I've received in facing this world is the simple knowledge that love always knows what to do in every situation. And though people have failed me in the face of that, this has never failed me personally.
Much love my man.
@@Morning_star7778 Absolutely correct in every way. The part that was hard for me to understand is why everyone mistook my kindness for weakness, because every fear of every person is a perception of their projections. The amount of cruelty I have received in my lifetime was pretty significant. I'm a fairly beefy guy well over 6'ft stocky with lots of muscle and years of various martial arts experience. I'm like why on earth do people not only think they can poke me like poking a hungry lion with a stick but they get mad when they wake up the beast and I defend myself. I would say a good number of people are still stuck in a traumatic nightmare of high school, lashing out at everything. Love truly does conquer all and it definitely conquers fear but you must be grounded and resilient yourself or otherwise be consumed in the process.
3:00 for the actual quote...you're welcome
Never thought I'd hear a Harry Potter reference in a podcast like this.
Zen, buddhist, or philosophical teachings can be found in every facet of life for life will always reflect truth.
When you realize you truly don't know anything is when you become enlighten!
Aaron David No.. it is that once you have reached that point and embraced true humility you can learn and know everything.
Yeah, this interview is assuming a lot of myths regarding "enlightenment." A person can be enlightened and still have years of shadow/ego work to go through. The ego can still influence an "enlightened" person, and there are many pitfalls after an initial realization of one's true nature, ones true identity as the all that is, as the emptiness. There is a never ending unfolding, the "work" is never done. Integrating "spirit" and humanity is never ending.
They should interview Ekhart Tolle or Adyashanti, or one of so many enlightened teachers that are out there today!
Not that JP isn't enlightened, I often think that if he isn't already, he's well on his way. But he doesn't claim it as his wheelhouse. Then again no enlightened teacher would ever say it directly, but they normally speak of how they had an energetic shift and change from personal to universal identity, etc.
Plenty say it directly. To do otherwise is to beat around the bush and is most unhelpful. If someone doesn’t claim to be awakened, there’s no reason to think they are (generally; there may be some exceptions)
kay
From Foreign Affairs Minister to Harry Potter to dropped-out friends to Beauty and the Beast.
If you can put these things together and explain a single idea with them so clearly and coherently off the top of your head in less than 4 minutes, then you must be on to something profoundly true and correct.
I listen to this before I go to do anything that I don't really want to do.
I lived in Yugoslavia. I was 11 when the war started. My village was destroyed and occupied by the aggressor and I had to live out of my home for 9 years as a refugee. Now I live in that same village after all.
Mark Spencer What did you learn?
Good question. I'd have to rethink it all but I don't think it would be something I could express easily in a UA-cam comment. Especially because English is not my native language.
I have a hard time believing you, mark spencer is not a balkan name..
@@TheFullmetalb0x That is not my real name.
@@TheFullmetalb0x , who uses real name?
My 4 favorite Peterson Quotes:
1. If you are not capable of cruelty, then you are a victim to anyone who is.
2. The best defense against malicious men are good men who are more stealth at being malicious.
3. If you want peace, prepare for war.
4. Your presence should radiate a potential for havoc.
For the past 3+ years I have hit the bag for 10 minutes in the morning in order to perfect a hard punch if ever needed. I am a very gentle man, love protecting the weak, can't stand bullies, and ready at a moment's notice to become dangerous in order to protect the innocent.
LOL Jocko can't figure out where to make the cut since JBP is just packed with wisdom.
@Jen farmer Say that to his face.
@Jen farmer Why not? You think being a women protects you anymore? The feminists and transgender activists have "solved" that problem for you.
@@DanHowardMtl lmao so a person is going to assault another over words? Best case scenario the aggressor goes to court, worst case scenario a concealed handgun comes out and it's game over.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.
@@DanHowardMtl Context: Jen farmer said that Jocko wouldn't touch them.
Your reply: Jocko would definitely assault Jen farmer in public.
What I said: assaulting people randomly in the streets is exactly how a celebrity gets nailed with a lawsuit, or how stupid people lose their life because someone made legal use of their self-defense rights, and jacketed hollow points don't care if you're a 6'4 200lbs hunk of muscle.
Please enlighten me on how I didn't comprehend your crazy assumption that Jocko would randomly assault people on the street.
This man speaks to my soul
A harmless man is not a good man, a good man is a very dangerous man who has it under control. -JPeterson
Modern young men need this
I think hitting rock bottom is the catalyst for enlightenment.
There in lies the problem: we no-longer allow people or countries to hit rock-bottom.
@@miken966 Who is this 'we' you speak of?
It can be, but I've seen too many people hit rock bottom, fail to learn from it and end up returning there.
Yes it can be. Although sometimes it happens to people who aren't suffering that much pain. They call it Grace. It can happen to anyone at any time. Suffering does make it easier to let go of mind/ego, but it's not always necessary. They say we are all enlightened, we simply refuse to see, entrapped in the dream world of mind.
Newbport rock bottom doesn’t exist. A moment of clarity does
I try to stay out of trouble, because I don't know my own strength, and I don't like confrontation. But i know that if I let loose, I could probably cause a lot of (irreparable) damage. That is one of my biggest fears.
Same but you also have to be willing to accept the fact that there are others in that room that are just as capable. Sometimes at the end of the day the irreparable damage is only done to yourself. It's really not worth it.. like a great martial arts teacher once said it's easy to spot the Wise warrior when trouble is about to ensue because he's the one that leaves the room.
If you can defeat Fear; you can defeat anything.
JP: A good man is a dangerous one who has control of himself. A good man should be attractive to many women, but only choose one.
Damn. That some standard.
Great video thanks to jocko and Jordan both are the best from god !
Saw this on my recommended and I thought it was new. I look forward to JBP’s to the podcast.
This is gold.
If you want to be enlightened, you need to experience pain, the darkness can show you the light.
I’ve wondered that myself. If we have monks who literally dedicate their entire lives to attaining enlightenment, how come we don’t hear about it more? If anyone would get there it would be them. But maybe it’s actually really hard then. But that also means we normal people have no hope of getting there. But I feel the more I learn about stoicism and practice it, enlightenment is just our best self. We can’t be that all the time, but we certainly can increase it more. Thanks Jocko!
what a great topic of discussion
Someones gotta do a Hocko Willink vs Jocko Willink
maybe you? :)
@@Yetipfote @Volvox Don't have the time or the apps, those apps are pricey, Echo would make some bad @$$ content how ever, given the fame of the theme it would create more exposure, free advertisement :) oddly most 1 v 1s are mediocre, but Echo makes some serious high quality content.
What is hocko
@@behindthen0thing Jocko klasnee chudak da?
@@behindthen0thing Ato Jocko's theme song ;)
ua-cam.com/video/B134Fmtw9x8/v-deo.html
I love this man so much!
Jordan has such great insight
Well that was a mouthfull.
I'm a shorter / smaller fella. And I'm generally pretty amiable. But I admire those who see the threat. I always nod in respect.
Mr peterson, i am not a good man according to what u said, i am just a man who tries to do good things, it never worked out well for me, but i m still trying, i am about to give up
It’s ok to do good things for people. But you have to be aware of how much it is reciprocated. It doesn’t mean don’t do things for people that don’t do things for you. It means be aware of who is appreciative and give back vs those that just take.
Just focus on yourself to a near selfish point. What i mean is focus on your career, improve or develop meaningful relationships along this self work journey. If you are single that’s actually perfect for self improvement as a guy. Women are great but shouldn’t be a priority over yourself. Still approach and talk to them though. Remember that if you approach 1 random woman a month for 3 years, you would have approached more women than over 80% of guys to in their lifetime.
Men reach their peak usually around 40 when it comes to attention from women because those men are established and show traits of a leader they learned from working and learning.
You aren’t born with value, but you are born with nearly unlimited potential. You have to work for it now to get it later. Stay strong and i hope i helped somehow.
Side note exercise, you will literally stand above the majority of people if you are in above average shape.
All if this builds competence which builds confidence and that makes you the most attractive you can be naturally.
Adversity builds character.
Interesting points. JP always makes me think.
Maybe most people don't even want to be enlightened they just want to be (the) someone who is enlightened.
Enlightenment is a spiritual process, of expansion of ones consciousness in ones awareness of who they are in relation to I Am!
Exactly and if everyone remembered exactly who they were, violence would not be a thing.
@michaelanthony386 exactly
incorporate your darkside into your being and tame it like beauty did the beast one of the worst mistakes is to believe you don't have a darkside . Either you control it or it controls you .
Most people don't have the strength to endure the facing up to the truth that everyone else hides from all of the time. People have invented lies for a reason. It makes enduring the unending onslaught of death slightly more bearable. Animals live in constant flight or fight, life of death mode and thus cannot spare time and energy for philosophy. The sheer luxury of having the option of going around, pontificating, with your needs met and hardly a worry for your safety is taken for granted by so many people.
Milosevic part of the Soviet Union? This in a point about someone else's historical ignorance. That's some good irony right there.
Agreed. I dont know if he meant that Milosevic as part of Soviet Union or the time when Milosevic visited Soviet Union. Again, why Milosevic is labeled as a bad guy, when he was proven innocent by UN court?
Serbia was on the side of the USSR, Milošević was the president. He was not proven innocent, he died during trial which in den Haag is a long ass process. Might be biased because my parents fought in the war, but I know a lot more than most of the world about that topic.
Jocko.. I've been binge watching your podcast channel here and I have a question for you. After all the true heros you've interviewed.. all discussing the events of their military career and true, true heros.. have you ever thought about discussing what causes these people to be put in a situation where their character shows? I hear so much about how they were "fighting for our freedom".. do you truly deep down believe that? Not In any way taking anything from either your service or the service of any armed forces member/vet. I have huge respect for all of you. I just lately sit and think about why any of them are put in these situations that require heroism to survive. Please.. nobody assume what my thoughts are on these difficult subjects and just comment disrespectful garbage. I'm simply asking if Jocko has an opinion on the topic and maybe if we could ever see a podcast where the topic of 'why' is discussed. Thanks..
Bada Bing, I’ve wondered the same thing. Why go to war for someone else to be a hero? Have you read the Iliad? You should. The Caroline Alexander translation is awesome on audiobook.
Ur soldirs are killers nothing else, defending ur country lol, come to our countries to see what they did, all the kids they killed, all the women they raped, all the good they did in the name of ur freedom...
Ur freedom u said, do u think having any after destroying our countries ? Do u feel like ur situation have been upgraded ? Or it s just what u tell urself after watching the body of an innocent child on ur screen ?
Identification with the Ego
💯💯💯💯💯
Il principe by Machiavelli is about embracing your shadow
fafaffu2 Joko did a podcast on Machiavelli if I remember right.
Ooo, he's talking about the Shadow. Love that shit.
Also love the mental game of "what would I do if I was a bad guy?" I've scared the shit out of "normal" people by playing it out loud and breaking their illusion of safety.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Thanks.
I've read a bit of Jung already. That pretty much defines my down time - put my nose in a book. On the digital setup thing, Brave is my browser of choice. Some of the best privacy options, ad-blocking and all that stuff. Not a fan of MacOS or iOS, but then again I've self-taught to manage my own security on Windows machines.
Meekness = strength under control; originating from the Greek word 'praus' (pra-oose). Greek soldiers would "meek" a wild horse to become a trained war horse that could stop on a dime or rush unto battle when commanded. These days they call it 'gentling' a horse.
A harmless man isn't a good man, a good man is a very very dangerous man, who has that under voluntary control.
Ever see the incredible? The villain says - "When everybody's super, no one is."
If everyone was "enlightened" , there would be no exceptionally "enlightened" individuals.
We would all equal, normal, regular, mediocre. Etc
I am a nice person. But when people argue with each other and things start to escalate, I tend to stay quiet and let them fight unless it involves me. Does it matter if you are a loud person? What about people who don’t have voices but are winning. Is this okay?
Please add closed caption in future videos :)
When Brawn meets the Brain.
Dangerous like water.
The way I see it, is that “rules” are meant too be broken
I think people are against this because we as a society (im american) has forgotten the sheer and utter destruction men are capable of.
A man who chooses can cause alot of pain. It takes a good man to learn to restrain himself and put that chaotic energy into improving the lives of others.
They are the ones that defend us from the men that don’t hold back and if jordan peterson is a bad person or speaking nonsense just because he believes that men that DO NOT use their strength for selfish reasons are decent people.
I however think very pragmatically so im open to hear why people thinks this is a problem.
This morning I used Elmex over Aronal. Am I a beast now?
Absolutely agree
Jordan Peterson has mastered the art of talking so much, but saying absolutely nothing.
His words has so much meaning.
Jordan Peterson talks about a dangerous man is a good man no need to shame her for wanting a real man and not an emotional man
It depends, what do you mean by enlightenment ?
Where is the link to the entirety of this interview/podcast? Would like more than a couple minute snippet please.
a doctor using fiction and mythoplasia as paradigms
very good and insightful
He starts out saying how if there was a pathway, more would be enlightened, implying that he’s unaware of one. And then he described what he thinks it takes to be enlightened. And it’s a pathway...
Only by eating an all meat diet can we become enlightened. Truly a genius of our times.
No captions?
In the modern western interpretation of the terms can someone articulate the difference between being "enlightened " or being " woke " . Thank you
Mr. Peterson I think that the very very dangerous side of a good man is in fact some evil that a lot of us try to balance with the good. It's interesting to wonder if evil is still evil in the hands of a good man with a good cause. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as we get the right job done. Any thoughts?
Well, a weapon can defend a country, but it can also destroy one. Sometimes at the same time, like when the U.S bombed Japan with nuclear weapons.
Walter White "....And I took that personally"
The world needs bad men, we keep the other bad men from the door.
While it was a good snippet it didn't give no answer to why People are not enlightened. Rather it was an inspiration to incorporate your dark side in order to grow. But to become enlightened you need to transcend the concept of both, good and evil. I think the real answer might be this: The route to enlightenment is simply fucking difficult and takes your entire lifetime while challenging you to do the opposite of what society upholds as valuable.
Which says a lot about society.
Yes of course, I don't claim this to be the truth but it's rather my own, limited conclusion.
Beautiful 💕
Right on about Axworthy.
Beauty and the Beast. Like Petruchio & Kate.
Holyshit this fucking guy he knows what he's talking about
Enlightenment is simply anxiety turned into laughter.
Enlightenment is the end of suffering. No more to it. However, that encapsulates everything that the common man experiences - everyday.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Enlightenment is the end of suffering BECAUSE you get satisfied and comfortable. But what happens when--- lets say a god threatens you. You're weak, pathetic and their play thing. All because you became a glutton. 1 enlightened soul= 1 sun. 1 base god, a demi-god= 10 million suns. Always hungry, never satisifed is the way to go. You should starve yourself but feed yourself. Don't become a glutton and don't give into your raw power, because there's always a bigger fish. ..Well except me, i'm indestructible on a spiritual level so i can do as i please XD
Virtue signalling can't save your family from malevolent people.
And enlightenment cant save you from usury in the banking or insurance system. Wake up, not everyone is an entrepreneur, not everyone wants to be, but the capitalist system we live in is corrupted and corroded beyond belief. That's the problem.
@@alexb8560 Well yeah, it can save you from it... (But chill out with the anti-semitism bro). It's all about realizing the difference between what you actually need and what you think you need. Anyway, nah, if you're talking about most places in the West then things are better than they've ever been.
@@Szolrykor What in the fuck are you talking about when you say chill out with the anti semitism? You're a god damn idiot
@@Szolrykor And most places in America certainly arent better than they ever have been if half of the working population lives paycheck to paycheck and most social security and Medicaid benefits go to the middle class. You live in a delusion, one where the stock market going through the roof means the poor are doing well. A delusion where people like Peterson tell you to make your bed in order to overcome your problems.
@@alexb8560 And what are you doing besides blaming anything and everything that you can't control? Nothing? Ok, then we can dismiss and ostracize you as you aren't providing value to out existence.
Probably 70% of men could beat this guy up, but weak guys mostly talk like big ones.
TODO: Be dangerous
For alien vampires (greed/hate) to comprehend earthling human beings (hearts/love) is like black holes in space trying to comprehend the stars (light and warmth) that "they" suck out of the heavens (joy, beauty and harmony).
Jordan won't rest until all the rooms in the world are clean.
P.S. Jock's Vegeta hairline xD
That's the thing. You can't clean the whole world. It's just not possible. You can't do it without crushing one's freedom.
They could be. Start by getting them all to meditate at the same time, worldwide, everyone. Organise it, keep doing it weekly for example, until the call to do so reaches every person. Focus on truth of it being done.
Yugoslavia wasn’t part of the Soviet Union
no u
It was under their hegemony for quite some time
@@jamesahern9864 Not exactly. It was an independent state with a free market economy and closer to socialism than outright communism. It was in the USSR's sphere of influence but more or less to same extent of other communist nations such as China, Vietnam or Cuba for example.
@@nickrad6966 "a free market economy and closer to socialism"
Rethink that; those are mutually exclusive.
They were more capitalistic than the USSR, but they were definitely not free market. Far closer during the Milosovic era to fascism.
@@immikeurnot "Free" was the wrong word yes, they were a socialist market economy where individual enterprises were self-managed. Very different to the USSR that had a centralised command economy.
Answer: "they didnt give you money for your opinions" the end.
Fixation on the idea of enlightenment prevents one from realizing one is already enlightened
Discipline and integrate
If you know what a human being is capable or and you should it has nothing to do with a good man being harmless... that's will be the least of your concerns.
Subtitles please!