(Post-MGS3 Spoilers) Peace Walker - EVA's Tapes
Вставка
- Опубліковано 3 гру 2012
- Been playing the hell out of this game, and decided to throw all these tapes together, as one (almost) perfectly flowing video.
The photo that EVA mentions during the first tape/session:
I would've edited such a thing into the video each time she mentions it, but, it could be any photo from this wikipedia article below this sentence. Kojima asking for your imagination, I suppose.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_...
Edit, 3/30/21:
I'm glad that people are still fishing this video (or these tapes) out. This is the last time that Kojima's writing would be coherent and meaningful. We can have debates on whether or not Death Stranding is coherent or meaningful in specific parts, but, Peace Walker can be followed the whole way through. These tapes are not the only fascinating set in the game. Hours upon hours of interesting stuff.
My twitter account: / alchanii - Ігри
Boss - Accept all the good and evil the world has to offer.
Big Boss - Accept all the evil and use it to make the world a better place.
Solid Snake - Accept all good and reject all evil.
Venom Snake: PAIN
Just like skullface said about zero, once the body dies, the will can only decay. That happened to the boss the second you pulled the trigger. A tragedy that only one person can truly understand them-self and their desires, everything else is wild guesswork and extrapolation.
Zero: CONTROL all good and evil the world has to offer
@@Truck_Kun_Drivermore like "Phantom Pain"
Big Boss's way of making the world a better place was the most ass backwards bullshit
Evidently, Kojima was planning to do a game on the Boss and the Cobra Unit. He was in Normandy doing location scouting, but the production was halted because MGSV was so much work for the team. After Kojima's departure, they were reluctant to do the Cobra game. I'd still kill for a game about her. Just call me Strangelove, because I'm gay for the Boss.
Pidor will fit you up)
Strangelove got piped by Emmerich
It's like how MGS2 and MGSV mirror each other, MGS3 and MGS6 could have also mirrored each other.
Damn. Fr.
I don't blame you
It's a shame EVA wasn't present in MGSV.
Big Boss and Cipher were at war with each other so Eva was probably in hiding during the events of MGSV
Wasnt she captured by chinese govt for the fake philospher legacy?
Ak47 After the events of Snake Eater yes
Ak47 not captured but found out, disgraced and was on the run until Big Boss found her, rescued her and brought her into the Patriots along with Zero, Ocelot, Sigint and Dr. Clark.
At this point of the story in Peace Walker, she and Ocelot followed Big Boss and left the Patriots after Big Boss decided to leave due to being betrayed by Zero with the Les Infants Terribles project because Big Boss and Zero were at odds with how to interpret the Boss's will with Zero being a megalomaniacal control freak, even to sociopathic levels. Only Big Boss, Ocelot and Eva remain in contact and pretty much a team regardless while doing their own thing and combating and staying away from Cipher/Zero. Thats why she was still able to send him tapes to MSF and knew his plan to expand MSF into Outer Heaven. with her saying at the end "A little bird (Ocelot) told me you just made a big decision."
thnx for ur megalomaniacal explanation. cleared out alot of questions
"Hello Snake, it's been a while hasn't it?"
If youre following the series from the start listening to this after mgs4 is rough, man.
That's it. The Boss needs a game about WW2 and this.
+William Selbach Screw those people! I'm now, going to dedicate my life into making a new Metal Gear game that revolves around The Boss. and Maybe a new character named Vapor Snake.
Yup
It's called Death Stranding
@@assassinofsorrow71 higgs snake
@@annedrieck7316 I wanna see boss cooking mama.
"Boss... I'm sorry... but I can't...."
That's when you know their was hell to pay.
The only thing missing from these tapes, maybe hearing a young David or Eli in the background towards the end.
She probably recorded these types during or after she was pregnant with them
Still I would have been nice.
Captainjjb84 during that time Eli and David would be about month old
Ryza Cobalion Just a cry or cooing or something.
Captainjjb84 pretty sure they were going through experimentation after birth
And this its probably the best thing that explain Big Boss fall, its not like he doesn't understand what the Boss wanted, he only realized its not what HE wanted,
He doesn't want to be another Boss like her, he doesn't want that type or world that not has room for him and if that type of world doesn't exists he must create it for himself and for that he slowly begins to betray his own principles and values
Never got into Peace Walker so this is my first time hearing this. This shit has me SHOOK. Absolutely cements Boss as one of the best written fictional characters, most def the best female character ever written. I don't even have words. Just makes everything about the MGS franchise so much more heavy.
Peace Walker isn't that good of a game. It's pretty boring.
The story is OK at best (at least it's complete unlike the next game Phantom Pain (I am lumping Ground Zeroes in with Phantom Pain as it was intended to be 1 game, but they needed money so that first part shipped early).
@@LUCKO2022 the only part of it I found boring was building zeke and getting professor galvez. The story was one step down from mgs3, sure but it was still beautiful
@@patriot1525 grindy but satisfying👍
@@patriot1525 yeah the story not so good, but there's the boss scene that's beautiful
@@LUCKO2022 it’s the reverse for me all this hearing how big boss built his military this and that in the solid snake sequel games and then with peace Walker we finally got to see it and not only that
1 we the players got to see how big boss interact with different other people cultures with Russians the CIA and South America recruiting mercenaries and a child foreshadowing his relationship with his son solid
2 Seeing how he interacted with his soliders
3 seeing how big boss was still getting over his blue pill denial over the boss death and misinterpreting her choice as neglection turning him into the big boss that we know of MG2 solid snake
4 The world reaction to almost being destroyed by fake nukes something you really don’t see again in the series again
Yeah peace Walker is the story I wanted to see most in the MGS SAGA and we got it
Anyway oh and people keep saying we never saw naked snake turn bad YES WE DID IT WAS PEACE WALKER WHEN IT HAPPENED ground zeros and phantom pain where just the after effects of Snake now truly being BIG BOSS
I will admit at first after beating the phantom pain I was pissed as
F 🤬😤because of the way the trailer gave us the impression we where going to see a man turn even more crazy aka I thought we where going to get the ROTS style treatment with metal gear 5 BUT NOPE crazy that attack on titans did more of that Star Wars 3 ROTS feeling then metal gear ever did because MGS5 did played us like dame fiddle in its trailers if you all know the turning twist of attack on Titan season 4 of what iam talking about?!!! hmm 🤨
But yeah after years I’ve learn to accept that red pill truth of the game is what it’s is of the phantom pain.
Jeeeez... she's so selfless... makes me cry honestly ;(
She truly deserves a game with all of this included... what a woman...
masgames38 i want an alternative ending to snake eater where snake acts like a man, defies orders and arrests the boss
Boss and the Cobras
@@ryanbarrie9143 Do you think for a second, that she would want that? She would let him to arrest her? No, she would fight him with all her strength, even if it broke her heart. She was proud, better of getting killed by the hands of her beloved "son like" disciple, than being a disgraced prisoner.
@@Croftice1 your right, and at the very least, Eva or ocelot would have shot her
@@ryanbarrie9143 Then there would've been a nuclear holocaust
Man, this is good stuff. Had me all-ears for 31m 39s.
I'm still in a dream
+mAGNUS wAKER No, no. It's SNAKE EAAAAATERRRR
Snakeeater!!!
SNEEEEEK YEEETEEEER!
Snakes 4-seater!!!
@@FodiminDUH RUH DUH DUHHHHHHHHH! ….. * Whisper * Snake eaterrrrr..!
poor boss save the world and it spits in your face
Godamn...Snake's voice at the end after hearing all that... :'(
That last line says a lot without saying much, which should go in Kojima's highlight reel. Since he's become a madman who doesn't know how to write anymore. Recording this, I knew the end of this video should end in the same kind of tone. Quick flip up and down to make note that that was indeed all of them, and then quietly fade into the night. ~31 minutes of this weird fantastical-alternative-history thing, ending on a downer punch of a note.
@@Alchanii even without gz/tpp, the revelation of the boss' past exploits & how she was treated would DEFINITELY send big boss over the edge at wanting to follow his vision of the boss' will via outer heaven...even if it descended him into villainy!
As if we didn't have enough reason to love the Boss already she took every loss imaginable and somehow even more than that and yet she never stop fighting for what she believed in. I find it baffling how such an important audio recording in regards to the Boss's character is purely optional. On that note, I've also got to credit Eva's voice over she's probably one of my favourite characters in the series just for having a level of depth and emotion very few other characters do in the series and is proof that MGS has more than 1 female character it did right. And while I'm at it Strangelove is also pretty remarkable too if only for her last recording.
The part about this being optional is indeed the strangest part of Peace Walker (and Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain as well), since this is arguably *the most important* information, higher in priority than a lot of other stuff. My favorite stuff about PW/GZ/Pain were almost entirely the late(-ish) game tapes, for the most part. These tapes, a good portion of the tapes in GZ, and that last batch of tapes at the *very* end of Phantom Pain are incredible on a writing level, acting level, and story level. And they're *all* tucked away!
Hearing this and knowing what will happen to Big Boss afterwards makes me feel a bit better about Solid Snake's life. Yes, getting old so quickly is fucked up, but... living so long the way these two did? Not worth it.
Eva was right, a lesser being would crack a whole lot sooner than The Boss.
I agree
Nick Lex He doesn't get old so quickly. You're thinking of Solid Snake. Solid Snake and Big Boss are two different people.
Ajax Vala Read again. I never said that Big Boss had the same aging condition Solid Snake had.
Nick Lex I disagree.
Solid Snake never had any family to look forward to, he was always told that he is a killer and murderer, had little to no friends or loved ones, was manipulated and lied to, was the INFERIOR clone, never was lucky with love, and was designed to age and die at an accelerated rate.
I believe Solid Snake had to put up with more than anyone else in the MGS universe with gray fox being a close second.
fau2an100 Liquid was the inferior clone. That's why he had so much enmity for solid snake. They wouldn't choose snake for fox hound if he was worse than liquid...
I can see snake smoking a cigar while listening to this
24:15 "just to suffer"
31:14
I get emotional every time I hear this.
Makes you wonder how The Boss could tell Eva all these details in such a short period. They were together when Snake fought Volgin.
Maybe/Pretty sure she figured out who EVA really was way before even Snake/BB got his eye patched and made her promise she wouldn't kill & told her everything before she took her away when EVA was discovered with Volgin's legacy, where the Boss told whatever was left to say to EVA. Sometime during Operation Snake Eater, before Snake got captured, probably.
Remember Eva went to one of the schools where she was trained. So I can see a mother and daughter bond just like with big boss.
After hearing this, and playing metal gear solid 5, i feel there is one more game needed to make the series complete. A prequel to snake eater, that really highlights the relationship between boss and B.B.
Maybe we could even play as the Joy :D
+Hotep Anthony Kojima said he planned that at one point. When he said it I don't remember, but he also said he wanted to make a game starring Liquid in the same interview.
+Hotep Anthony I would like more the story of the Boss, WW2, think about it, Nazi bosses and all. That would be awesome. And the game ends with her meeting Snake :D
don't forget the Cobras!
+Hotep Anthony i totally Agree for the Story of The Boss. WW2, The Secret Mission who led´s her to the Sorrow. Even another Missions what brings into her Life that we learn to understand^^
Ymiriron imagine an opening scene on D day on the shores of Dunkirk
There is enough material to make a new game here, of course it could not be labeled Metal Gear, it should be something else. If konami plans to do something with the franchise after Kojima is off the boat, this is it.
John Weissmüller Or if Hideo goes the way of the indie. At this very point in time, would you rather Hideo make a game with this content under a different name/s, or Konami with the proper name? 'Cause it seems like the latter doesn't know how to video games any longer.
Alchanii think its time for kojima to create a new IP. Time for him to show us he can do more than just mgs.
he leaving us with the work he believs would be the greatest mgs he ever made. lets take it and look upon the future of his new work
Xenuism was talking about a new ip, lucky there a many great engine to use like unreal 4/cryengine4
+BrotherO4 They could still let him use the engine, he would just have to slap "Konami Fox Engine" on his game. Plus, didn't he want to quit before he was fired? Also Kojima has made a lot of other games than Metal Gear, you might enjoy "Zone Of The Enders."
It's called Death Stranding
I've been a fan of MG since 1990, and this makes me so sad that we'll probably never get a "Tactical Espionage Action" game, starring The Boss.
This just grounded my love and respect for The Boss.
Technically, Eva had met her long before, remember she had infiltrated as Tatyana on Volgin's ranks, so they would have plenty of chances to talk.
Thanks for the upload. I was skeptical with Peace Walker at first but when I finally got my hands on it I couldn't let go. These tapes were just one of the many reasons why it's so amazing.
It's in this game that Big Boss cements himself as rejecting the conditioning he underwent as the apprentice of The Boss that was supposed to be the perfect soldier for the US and instead seeks to fight against the establishment. By doing so, by acquiring Zeke, he passed the point of no return and this would spell the end of MSF and his heroic vision of it being a force to fight for those who cannot defend themselves and instead becoming the Warlord of an elite mercenary unit that engaged in nuclear terrorism. It's beautiful as it is tragic to see someone capable of such great things become the very thing he wanted to destroy.
That's why Big Boss is my favourite videogame character. His development is awesome, he was a hero, but he became a demon.
@@Alonso10955 But its also why I prefer solid snake over him
Big Boss never became a villain. Kojima himself said that the first two MG games weren't entirely accurate and would need to be remade.
Think about MGS2. The Patriots have the power to frame Solid Snake as a terrorist, how easy it must've been to do the same with Big Boss
. Ultimately, because the first two games aren't fully canon anymore, I'm inclined to believe that Big Boss was never a villain. He was most likely framed as such because he opposed the Patriots.
@@hoked2194 I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. To make the cycle complete, I think he would have had to become a monster, but not on the scale of a pure madman. But he had lost his way and fallen off the mark. How and why are interesting questions, but whatever he was fighting for was probably lost. He might have been fighting for the right cause, but for the wrong reasons. Maybe.
@@hoked2194 you are losing the point make Big Boss opposed the Patriots doesn't make him automatically in the good guy of the story, remenber that to the core the Patriots's intentions were even more altruistic that Big Boss's own intentions
Both bands were wrong and they got only worse with time, Big Boss only was the first of the two of fall,
Big Boss story it's more tragic than heroic
This tape implys that snake never found out the truth until after peace walker.
Which ultimately makes everything make more sense on why snake is still hung up on the boss, he didn't know the truth until he killed her a second time.
I will be infuriated that this game is so underrated 'til the day I die. This game was the last time that Writing truly happened in the franchise. I mean, look, I (and a few others, I've seen!) wouldn't have made a video on these tapes, and these tapes only, if they didn't hold such significant value.
@@Alchaniihonestly i feel like this game pretty much stands alone as 2 why bb turned “villain” & how mgsv was not really necessary…
@@Alchaniii agree a 100%. the writing went down to the toilet with MGSV
It’s heartbreaking… How realistic all this is.
This is the kind of shxt America would do to a real hero.
Honestly, me and my Mother both, relate so much to The Boss. How kind and sacrificial she was, and how much she was played like a fool due to her good intentions, and more.
Not gonna lie, I could have imagined myself in The Boss’ shoes this entire time. It’s sad to say that all of this, hits very close to home.
This is what makes Kojima’s MGS storytelling amazing. Realism, yet with still creative storytelling within that realism.
I already loved the Boss as a character. Her motherly pressence even influenced me in some ways growing up, as weird as that may sound. MGS3 came out in a time where it literally helped me climb out a dark hole of depression.
These tapes in Peace Walker made me love her even more. She's a once in a lifetime character.
The boss is the greatest written female character in video games and it’s not even close. The people who complain there are no good representation of strong women in games have never played the metal gear series and seen what an amazing character she was
Watching/Listening to these while playing MGSV:PP. Out in the Afgan Desert doing missions. Piecing together the storylines of the MG Series. 😅😪
Thank you to all y'all Metal Gear Historians uploading these! 🙁✌️
I fucking love this story, a great bedtime story to share with the kids...
Subcomandante Marcos Well the kids won't understand cause it's too complicated
The bosses Past is one heavy piece to take in, she did better than everyone else this story.
Nahyon Karr what about Solid Snake, he, like her, tried to keep the world the way it is, unlike Zero and Big Boss
In MGS3, The Boss was just a really cool enigmatic character described as the ultimate soldier who ended up making the ultimate sacrifice in service to her nation after a long and distinguished career that she cast aside for duty.
These tapes just turn her into a cartoonishly accomplished yet somehow completely subservient beaten wife.
Before Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain, there was an expectation that those two games were going to be that final missing links that connected the MGS3 side of the timeline to the original Metal Gear game, and most importantly, show that transition from Big Boss the hero to Big Boss the villain. The dust has settled since then, and that really wasn't the story in Phantom Pain, as Snake was pretty firmly in his villain role by that point. With hindsight, we probably didn't need that story because that villain transition happened here, right after EVA's tape cuts.
It's so quick, but that little utterance of "I can't" is so heavy.
MGSV will never be canon
The whole point for me was
Eva took her time(10 years) for nothing since Snake didnt opened the thing that she sented.
Also, thanks for uploading Alchanii ^_^
No problem! I was bothered by the fact that you couldn't hear'em all at once elsewhere. Peace Walker's my favorite game of the franchise, so, I felt like I had to, on some level.
Started playing snake eater for PS2 again after playing solid many many times throughout these most recent years. I really need to play these. This is so new to me
It's a shame they didn't give photographs with the tapes as well..
"Because you and I are the only people on this earth who know the truth..."
Your story is only known by two people in the entire world... That is just sad and wrong...
Sad. But what can they do?
If they preached about it, the whole world would be against them. The Philosophers wanted The Boss’ involvement gone from records.
Boss... ;_;
I hope I'm not the only one who wonders what goes on in this story than what the games and tapes provide. The characters, backgrounds, true emotions in the moments and what happened in the time gaps? It's an interesting thought. Either way metal gear is a great series of games and a great story that was able to fit events in the story with events in reality, the game created characters I would find myself wondering if we ourselves as fans, would ever figure out the truth. (Also forgive any errors in the grammar.)
I don't care if she is fictional. The Boss is a damn hero.
is there a tape where Kaz tells Boss that the package with these tapes came and wonders who EVA is?
It's not a tape , just a message you get from kaz after defeating peace walker and completing chapter 4
oh finally, thanks!
Holy fucking shit .... this video has more story than mgs5 ... and goddamn this is sad ...
By literal duration, yeah. Hours and hours of tapes.
MGS5 has more story than you think. You just have to dig for it.
My god! THIS MUSIC!!!!!!! 😍😍😍
What's the piano track that plays during most of this monologue?
"Eva's Reminescence" from MGS3.
Cost The Boss her health, what did she have after the crash? What did she suffer with?
Soooo the boss gave everything for the u.s. EVERYTHING! And in return got back what???
Yep. It's a surprising sentiment, how loyalty to country will almost always conclude with suffering or erasure, whether to the individual, or a group of individuals.
I just realized now. The whole story of The Boss infiltrating OKB-1 , etc. could actually be turned into an Metal Gear Solid game. Starring her.
19:41 is my favorite part
10 YEARS
Eva was his bang maid in mgs3 bruh
This make me realise The Boss is one of the most influental female character in entertainment history, everything that happen from the first installment of Metal Gear saga that is Snake Eater literally started from her, Metal Gear Rising too even though it is been 54 years since her death
Also, putting a window on a space shuttle is a problem?Apparently glass is a good protector against radiation, but in MGS, we weren't supposed to know that.
Also consider how technology actually was during during the space race. Maybe the glass itself wasn't the issue, but space takeoffs were quite new to everyone. So maybe there was something else to blame besides the hasty window installation.
Damn, that was interesting.
Good old Eva
I still don't understand what the hell is wrong with these Philosophers
it's like They really Enjoy suffer The Boss and used her as Slave
True, but the US screwed her over ten times more than the philosophers did. They didn't even allowed her to exist publicly
basically, they're heartless illuminati dictators & the boss was their pawn...
My guess. Because her father told her everything before he was killed in front of her by them. Instead of killing a child they raised one to do their bidding without public knowledge.
the boss and big boss is the reason Im into mgs...less so because of solid snake
Hadid Amshah I like how Solid Snake and Big Boss have almost completely separate stories one could play as a standalone and get that half. And when you play both story arcs, they combine to one gigantic lore of awsomeness, drama, epicness and all the other feelings.
I prefer Solid Snake. Big Boss' Story is more about world domination, war and mercenaries, you play missions as a private army; Solid is about future, is how Technology had changed us all, at the point that he is also a science product. Its about identity in a new world where nanotechnology have made us all the same (like genome soldiers and Gray Fox/Raiden) and at MG4 you know that there was never a villian nor a hero, just diferent points of view of how soldiers can live in peace and freedom.
I prefer Ocelot, young/not so young but still not old sadist Ocelot and Big Boss, Kaz.
Actually if they make a remake of MG and MG2:Solid Snake - it would be a masterpiece
Raiden is love
@@RaikaMD Ever heard of Quienom Snake and Brutal Tom? They have their own unique stories. They're role players in Metal Gear Online 3.
Well, in my case my first MG was MGS3, so Big Boss will always be my favourite.
This would of made a great post metal gear solid game
What is that mean? "Boss.. I'm sorry, But I can't"??
Big Boss can't follow her path. He won't become a tool, he will make his own Haven, his Outer Haven.
To give a place to soldiers that are discard as tools because of a corrupted group of government lackeys that can't accept their own mistakes.
Anyone know the name of the music in the background?
It's snake eater but piano form.
Edgar Garcia So there's no ost for it?
Eva's Reminisence from MGS 3
Bartosz Filipek Thanks ~
"Boss. I'm sorry. But I can't." Damn, man. Damn. Nobody Snakes like Hayder.
Yeah. It being one of the last (not THE last) performances by David really sucks, because we were starting to get something a little more emotional out of'em towards what-would-be the end of his role.
Here's what I don't get about Eva. She said that she loved Solid and Liquid..but it also says she was working with Ocelot. In MGS1 Ocelot pretends to be working for Liquid but once he has what he was after he abandons Liquid and Solid Snake to die at Shadow Moses. Considering this was all Ocelots plan, doesn't that mean she(indirectly) nearly got both of her sons killed?
Enigma Fan true that, but at the end, both EVA and Ocelto knew that this snakes are clons from Big Boss, it needs more of that to kill them. Or we can asume that Kojima miseed a lot of points writing this part, at the end, is someone writing about past, present and future in a no chronological way so is easy to make mistakes
It's because EVA is extremely selfish and a professional bullshitter. We effectively know very little about her character because anything that comes out of her mouth not related to The Boss has a very high chance of being a big fat lie.
How could she love Solid and Liquid if she never even spent any significant amount of time with them? Doesn't seem to hold much water. She never even tried to establish contact with them once, not even when Liquid was busting his ass off in Angola leading that pack of child soldiers at the age of 11 years old.
Her actions in MGS4 are those of a sad old lady who realized and started to regret that she threw her whole life down the drain by working as a spy who never held anything sacred, except for an idealized and, dare i say, nonsensical as all hell admiration for The Boss. I mean, she spared Snake's life because the Boss asked, but wouldn't have done if not for that? Even after everything that Snake did for her? Saving her from dying impaled on that fucking tree trunk, and then proceeding to treat her wounds and feed her ass while being hunted by enemy soldiers? Saving her from getting her fake ass plastic tits blown off by Ocelot and losing his fucking eye in the process? The Boss didn't do any of this shit for her. Even after all that, she was still fully willing to put a bullet in Snake's head for the sake of her mission, but then the fucking Boss asks her to spare Snake and now it's suddenly ok to ignore the mission? What the hell?
And a few years later she even agreed on helping to clone Big Biss without even his permission, his consent. This alone makes her actions and words in MGS4 seem a lot more dubious. What the fuck was her game here? She claimed to have worked with Ocelot, but Ocelot was on Big Boss' side during their little Cipher civil war. It seems that EVA just does whatever the hell she wants and shows the middle finger to everything else. (Cept for The Boss of course).
EVA flipped off everything in the world for the sake of her dumb spy jobs, and by the end she had jack all, except for hope that Solid and co would fix the shitstorm that herself, Zero, Sigint and the others conjured. Thankfully they did.
Why was (actual dogs name) just called a completely different name, Laika?Hope the statue has the real name
the photo? where is the photo mentioned in the tap
Okay, I know EVA knows a lot of The Boss's story, but how does she know the exact words of what she said during her final confrontation with Naked Snake?
maybe the boss told her what she was about to say to snake :D
She probably gave her a tape where she said everything, or maybe she showed EVA where to dig the info. I dunno, actually, it's not too hard to imagine.
PsychoJak1 Maybe he told EVA after they got back to America.
Seamus McKenna EVA didn't return to america after snake killed the bosd
Von Armagedda Yes she did, what about the scene where they're drinking wine in the cabin?
MGS3 53- Meet Up With The Boss
There's one thing I don't understand about this. In MGS3, The Boss said she went to space in 1960, not 1961. She also said that she really was a part of the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, and that she wasn't in a coma after crash landing on Earth from space. So, how do these tapes coincide with what The Boss said in MGS3 or did Kojima just retcon all this in Peace Walker?
+Sup750
Retconned. Just like Portable Ops retconned Sokolov being killed in Snake Eater or that Big Boss told Solid Snake in Zanzibar Land that he was his father (which isn't in the original MG 2), or that Big Boss was in his 70's when he was cloned as told by Liquid in MGS but now it happens much,much younger in his 40's.
Darth Grumpy also, Big Boss was reportedly in a coma when they cloned him, yet he entered the coma a few years after the LET project occurred.
@@LUCKO2022 Liquid said 50s not 70s (and it actually happened in his 30s) but it's not impossible for Liquid to just make a mistake... he doesn't understand genes after all lol
The Boss (Joy) and Eva are two of my favorite women in all of gaming hands down
I don't understand why didn't they add the photo
No such photo exists, or, at the time, no photo existed, at the very least.
@@Alchanii yeah but why?
They can make a game just on the Boss. I heard Kojima wanted to make a game based on The Boss, i'd love to see that but since he's gone and Konami does it they'd fuck it up
+HuskyZ Weill i am sure Kojima can develop the Game without Konami and take a another Development Team^^
unfortunately, tho its his intellectual property ,konami have ownership of the series so it ain't happening
? Who’s the sleeper agent
Boss
From hearing these tapes, I am really starting to hate CIA, NASA and American Government of Metal Gear Solid universe for destroying Boss's legacy in such horrendous manner.
All in the so called name of National Security..Yeah "National Security" my ass. Pure ego and hypocrisy thats what.
They fucked The Boss and her legacy over way too much that it drove Big Boss and Zero mad.
The Boss told Eva all this shit in the span of like 5 minutes?
Probably, about half an hour or more. IIRC, in MGS3 EVA gets caught spying by Volgin and The Boss takes her away and and tells Volgin she's going to dispatch of her, that's just before the boss fight between Volgin and Snake. She tells her everything then.
Is it worth it this game? Was going to get it on my vita put never because it a shitty psp game
This is only my opinion of course, but, Peace Walker is 2nd only to Phantom Pain in gameplay. It's the only one I like to go back to.
Shitty?? It's the best psp game ever by a long way and it's definitely definitely worth playing. I played it on the ps3 hd collection, and then also on the vita, but I think I preferred playing it on the ps3. Either way it's really epic and you're missing out
Peace Walker is good. I think they should of called it MGS5 (it was called that internally for awhile) it would of gotten more attention and not seemed like a shitty spin off game.
@@05r41Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite.
What photo is she talking about ?
Unless a fan has created/edited this picture into existence since the posting of this video, the picture doesn't exist. The wikipedia entry (linked in the description!) has pictures that you can use your imagination with.
where found this
THE MGS GAMER This is all in Metal Gear Peace walker
was this when she held the two snake's in her belly?
The mentioned son was Ocelot at this time
Ak47 this was most likely after she had solid and liquid and after big boss's departure, due to the fact she has to send him tapes, big boss wasn't physically conscious during the conception his sons and when he awoke and found out he left, (i head cannon that big boss awoke on the same day and time as his son's were being born, big boss was in a military hospital, eva was in a secret complex in new mexico)
Ak47 but the only biological child that big boss has that isn't a clone is solidus
@@Fearless665 kinda makes sense now... "Cats do love to play as snakes"
His parents were both snakes(Cobras)
@@commando7238 Solidus was a clone
Valentina Tereshkova will never be the first woman in space...never....The Boss in my heart will forever be the first woman and hero of the space race..
RIP Boss :'(
+AlexDeGhost Valentina Tereshkova is still alive, was true meanwhile the boss just was a legend in a videogame.
zid mizarz *salute* :3
=)
I'm not mad Capcom didn't give us the full MGSV
I'm mad we never got a MG "The Joy" game
Capcom 💀💀💀💀
Capcom?
Ha..I meant Konami @@JuriSins
*Kojima
And in the end, the epilogue of MGS4 makes absolutely no sense. The Boss did not give her life so that people would be allowed to live as they choose and people could do whatever they wanted and the world didn't need changing, according to the MGS story, the boss gave her life to unify the world, not leave it alone, coz left alone, the world would divide itself even further.
MCTanman1 the point is the boss and zero misinterpreted the bosses will
And then Big Boss procede to go bat shit crazy, the Boss' will lost forever.
Daniel Zty
Only for him to redeem himself at the end of MGS4.
Solid Snake will be the only one who gets to enjoy the world as one, however long that may be
Have you played MGS V yet?
I always believe that this is the downfall of Big Boss. After receiving the tape and knowing what The Boss went through he decided to do things on his own. But the more he made the world different the more he became the demon.
This is one of the reason why I hated Big Boss. He never understand what The Boss wanted and instead he become more obsessed with her.
What the boss really wanted is for him to live as Jack, to live a normal life on the world she protected.
Solid Snake is a clone but he is way better than Big Boss.
Solid Snake is imperfect but he embraced it. He became selfless like The Boss which make him more as the real Big Boss. David never know the boss but her idealogy and principles are the same with her.
But thats the thing. Big Boss is a flawed character. He didn't become a "villain" because he misinterpreted her will, he did it because he was angry about what they did to her (and can you judge him?). In any case, not every main character has to be perfect and 100% loveable. If anything, them having flaws just makes them feel more real
@@Arthur_url even big boss admitted in front of solid snake that he f**ked up...that his willingness to be the good guy died with the boss.
Big Boss was selfless. In a different way than The Boss, but, what he did was to make the world a better place. In his eyes.
He sacrificed himself and his personal life, for the world.
In that sense, him and The Boss are the same.
So the conclusion is the america in mgs universe is having a biggest ego but not the skill for it .
That’s kinda similar to ours. Lol
I mean, America still lost the Space race in real life. A lot of the story in this tape connects to real life.
Goes to GameStop.
"Hmm...let's see what's new." *sees a new Metal Gear Rising* o.k...I think I'm gonna stay away from that. But THAT. *sees a Metal Gear game for The Boss*...MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE!!!
How do u find these tapes?
you get them after peace walker battle 3
so sorry but, i would've punched The Boss in the face a long time ago for letting them do such hideous things to her like that and not wake up from her patriotic slumber. when you see something is bad and it's not worth it, you can't hide that under the "patriot" courtain. at that point, it no longer matters. it's either good or evil. if you know is evil, you shouldnt even let that happen...
of course it makes sense for Big Boss to not agree with her. he has his own free will and wants to create his own path, and not let it be manipulated by anyone. he wants TRUE freedom.
The Boss was a great character, but to be honest I am more freaking infuriated against the CIA and would have killed them freaking all if they if they did not put their ego, stubbornness away.
The Boss had to make decisions that she would not have to make if the CIA was that not difficult.
And you now what is Even more infuriating, Hot Coldman called The Boss Ideals "Bankrupt". I am sorry what? What is the CIA then normally for? Here is the description
"The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) collects, evaluates, and disseminates vital information on economic, military, political, scientific, and other developments abroad to safeguard national security."
How does the Boss her Mentality go against that making it "Bankrupt"? In fact SHE WAS LOYAL TO THE END FOR AMERICA SO SHOULD THAT NOT HAVE "HELPED" SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH IS YOUR ORGANISATION GOAL?!
Hypocrisy at its finest its freaking disgusting for me. And do not get me Started on Operation Snake Eater, which was suppose for "National Security" by making the Boss a Lamb sacrifice.
Where was that mentality then when you had that in the SPACE RACE? This was never about "national security", it was about filling your own ego using that as an excuse. The titttle of Big Boss is a freaking sham. Because Snake was so called "greater" than the Boss. Sorry man love the guy but with her mentality? No ONE deserves to get a bigger title to her then that. The title of Big Boss is a huge spit on her grave.
I understand Big Boss/Naked Snake made his descission after hearing Eva's story at the end of MGS 3 to put their back unto the CIA. Because the Hypocrisy is freaking disgusting. National security my ass I would say.
A lesser person would have indeed freaking cracked, become infuriated and would have become the Villain.
Is it possible that snake had a child with the boss
Nope, snake was part of bikini atoll nuke experiment where radiation made him unable to have kids, and boss lost that ability in space
Oh.... ok thanks ....
Liquid Ocelot from MGS4 the boss had ocelot and big boss technically made Liquid soo yes
Technically, Solid Snake and Liquid Snake are his "sons".
Max Frankow welp, technically, son and/or brother
Why does this series keep making Washington and the CIA look so bad?
Eddy Charles because they're actually bad and go reeeeeeally far extends to cover some secrets
For example a chemist that worked for them during the era mk ultra was supposed to be active was found dead a mere week right after he had second thoughts about what was going on
Decades after his demise a new autopsy revealed he didn't fell from his building but rather that he was hit behind his head with a blunt object prior to being pushed from the window
If they can do that to a man that is starting to build a conscience of what he was doing,what do you think they could've done with normal people?
They also made look bad de KGB, but since we are in this side of the world, believing KGB are the bad guys sound logic, isnt it?
This is probably the most unbiased game tbh
So... are the world's superpowers still in some kind of "race" today? If so, for what?
Eva sounds like an ex gf
Sjono well she kinda is tbh
This is so fucking stupid. “More than anything she wanted you to know the truth!” Right after saying the Boss gave EVA the photo and told EVA to decide to give it to snake. How is EVA’s character so regularly the worst written/least likable?
no taste
you Have no taste
OK here's where Kojima starts to lose me. The MGS story implies that it was not the efforts of the allied forces, the threat of communist Russia taking over Japan, or the A-bombs that were decisive in winning the world war, no, it was a TEENAGER and her band of freaks that won the war. Look at the ending of MGS3, if i'm not mistaken the boss is not even forty years old when she died, something like 37. Not only that, in the Mercury mission, which I believe didn't involve an actual flight, but was more of a dress rehersal (I don't think America sent up 7 people at a time at that point) the boss and her phony ass is the one to pioneer space travel, and instead of the U.S claiming victory over Russia to have the first ever WOMAN go into space, showing what a shit hole Russia is for women, the U.S who were trying to show Russia down at every stage, hid it. Although a GREAT GAME the MGS series has some very idiotic flaws. For example, in this game, Peace Walker gets EMOTIONAL and commits suicide huh? the ghost of the boss infests that gigantic stick figure to jump into the water... In terms of overall game, MGS is a beast, but in terms of relevant story... leve that to the late tom Clancy.
MCTanman1 sadly Tom Clancy died and most of the things on the games on the Tom Clancy name will go the way of MGS a cash grab
MCTanman1 she was 42 when she died in mgs3 and plus doesn't every game have idiotic flaws
Commando 723 so she was born in 1922, that means that during the D-day she had 22-23 years? Damn, she was way younger than snake during operation snake eater, I never thought of that.
Roach CT printed snake was in his 20s in Snake Eater and in he's 39 in peace Walker
Commando 723 he was 29 in snake eater
Everything I hear about the boss is not a hero, but a patsy. Despite everything that her country and the philisophy did to her, she preferred to take it than to rebel. That's worse than a traitor. If she wanted to, she could have worked with her lover and his team to find their kid and disappear. But no, I want to be a tragic hero. Pathetic...
I kind of get what you are coming from..But at the same time I dont. I still like the Boss because, unlike the people you describe she put her EGO away despite everything. It is freaking easy to go like you described. She had a believe and kept to it. And while I kind of see it from you POV I disagree
It is that People treated a person like here that way, that are the real monsters here. Loyal to end, to her purpose.
She already rebelled a number of times. Like how she infiltrated OKB-1 on her own, and talked to the Philosophers.
I think you misunderstand The Boss’ vision. She often times did what she could, to follow her correct morals.
But there’s only so much 1 person could do.
Big Boss, who strayed from The Boss’ vision, only created chaos and more war.
It is then at the end of MGS4 when Big Boss realizes and says “I realize now, that we should not strive to change the world.. But do our best to keep it as it is.” (To keep the Peace)
That… That right there, was The Boss’ vision. And to do that, The Boss had to make personal sacrifices.
That is The Boss’ vision, that Big Boss came to only at his final moments.
The Boss was mistreated a lot, but she was a TRUE soldier. She wanted to bring forth peace and end the wars that already exist, not make more. Even if that means personal sacrifices in the name of peace.
Truly, loyal to the end. To her purpose.
What an amazing character. ❤
Nothing original here. Kojima just based this story on the lost russian cosmonaut Tatyana.
Please Kojima San, stop tryng to rewrite history with your incomplete and forced bullshit.
A story with inspiration from real life events?
WAHT A PIECE O SHIT
What bothers me, is that this man is so full of himself. I used to love the first MGS and the ones in the MSX are greta... but now. I think this man is tryng to write his own versión of the cold war, and tryng to pass it as a realistic visión of it. I mean, the anachronism of this game are worst than in COD.
Ariel Popperl isn't he already tired of Metal Gear? That would explain why he half assed this and MGS 4. All i know is he wanted to make a new ZOE
Ariel Popperl thank god that's your opinion
And you are an authority to say that sport?