I like how all the characters have bad parents and generational trauma in some way. Because it really kinda takes bojack’s “my parents did this to me and it’s not my fault” and tosses it out the window.
@@nyabis8044 It's actually possible to break the cycle without having kids. Breaking the cycle just means you're not gonna abuse people even though you were abused. There's plenty of people you interact with already to not abuse, you don't need a kid for that.
Too often, shows romanticize the trauma a woman can go through, setting them up to be saved. In this show, PC takes her traumas as motivation to overcome, all while being unapologetically herself, and in the end, it all works out for her. I love this show.
Not just women, trauma is often trivialized in general. But since so many of us are messed up, I wonder if romanticism of trauma is often the writers crying for help. Just speculation.
Mad props to the writers for committing to PC's fertility issues. I lost count of how many times I've seen a woman either struggle to conceive or is outright told they can't, have a child through other means, only to reveal after they have the kid and at the most uplifting moment that they're pregnant against all odds in sitcoms. PC adopted Ruthie, had her new parent struggles, and ends the series content with things. There's no cop-out that she's able to carry a baby to full term because she found "the right guy" in Judah.
I think it perpetuates a harmful idea that women must bear children to be valid as mothers, and can make people feel shame for adopting, needing fertility treatments, etc
@@snowleopard9907 it sometimes happens but in shows it almost always happens and is just a struggle to make having the baby extra special. This is good rep for parents that never do get that miracle baby and go by other means
@@snowleopard9907 the percent of people who struggle for years with multiple miscarriages who magically manage to conceive is like, a thousand times lower than how often that situation is presented on screen. The parents who never actually manage to conceive despite years or even decades of trying don’t get the representation they deserve
My favorite thing about Princess Carolyn is the tongue twisters gag. The reason behind this running gag existed was because the writers knew that Amy Sedaris hated them is hilarious.
@@nyabis8044 Yeah that was a great way to integrate the joke into the actual dramatic beats of the story. Bojack gags that did that were the best- the running monkey in season 2 was another good example
Wow. Damn. That news alone makes me wonder how different things might have been with Bojack if she did manage to have that baby. ...what an entirely different future this all might have been.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I cried when PC named her daughter Ruthie. She named her real life daughter after the imaginary descendant she made up to comfort her on her worst days, and I think there's something really special about that.
@@wizardjokes It was a conversation with Vanessa Gecko about babies being "ruthless" clients, but no matter how tough it gets, you just have to get on with it because that's your job as a parent ^^ I think it's a combination of both, like maybe Vanessa's choice of words gave PC the inspiration for that name and at the same time it made her remember her fantasy? Idk, I just don't think that it's a coincidence that her made up descendant has the same name as her real life daughter
watching this made me realize how entirely different pc's life could've been. had she never had her first miscarriage, she might still be married to cooper and apart of his family. had she listened to her mother and not gone to california right away, she might be stuck in north carolina running a booth at the flea market like sadie. it's crazy to see the little steps along the way that made pc into the person she ended up becoming and how she changed her life drastically by doing what she wanted and going her own way
I really don't understand why people hate PC. Yeah, she's a ruthless businesswoman, but she's the most likely out of the main cast to realize her mistakes and go out of her way to fix them. She's a woman in control of her own destiny, what's to hate about that?
Because she’s a woman In control of her own destiny and she isn’t meek and agreeable about it. We will accept a woman in control of her destiny if she is likeable and quiet about it, but not vocal and unapologetic
Probably because PC instills bitterness into people who are less in control of their fate and simply let their life happen, and PC simultaneously shows the results of "girlbossing too close to the sun" which acts as an unrequested mirror to people who are very ambitious and driven. Personally, I'm a gay feminist so PC is one of my favorite characters on the show because we love to see a queen winning, but also the painful lessons that allow for her growth as a person. I think if I could assign any real world song to her character, it would be The Man by Taylor Swift. Very similar energy
What about Diane? She got engaged to Guy who's an amazing person she deserves. Those two, and Todd with his girlfriend, get happy endings. Technically only Bojack had a 'bad' ending. But really there is now endings. We just don't see the complete end to their stories.
@@saturnzbarz1350 Diane says her and Guy broke up in the last episode but she still has her successful kids book (I can’t remember if she was single though or she got in another relationship) Edit: I misunderstood lol they got married
@@Jordan64852 They actually got engaged, remember? She flaunted the ring to Bojack in the final episode. She meant they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend because now they're fiances.
PC's timeline makes you realize how intertwined she is with other characters. Her timeline has a lot of discussion on what other characters are up to because she's always doing stuff for other people, as she did for her mom when she was young.
Throughout these analysis, you really realize how terrible BoJack is. He really just drags down everyone around him and as soon as they leave, they get better.
@@IsaacV2001 thats cuz hes forced to deal with his shit. They arent there to encourage him or get him out of his own messes and hes not there to drag them into his messes or demand attention or else he'd ruin their happiness. Bojack is a person who cant allow other people to be happy around him if hes unhappy and hes always unhappy.
One of the main things I love about the show is how it shows that people are nuanced, saying that a character like Bojack is "terrible" as a blanket statement really misses the point.
I like how some random characters are named like cutesy pet names, for example Princess Carolyn, her mother, officer Meow-Meow fuzzy face, and Cuddlywhiskers.
Notice how all of those are also animals typically kept as pets in our world - cats, hamsters, and dogs in the case of Mr Peanutbutter and Pickles. I never noticed until I read this comment
Pretty much all the animal names are either puns on real people (Quentin taranutino was one) or stereotypical names for that species. Mr Peanut butter because dogs love peanut butter, all the horses have typical racehorse names, etc
The way Princess Carolyn's Mom treats her reminds me a lot of my ex's mom. She's 34, has a masters degree and is stuck home taking care of her mom and grandma. She cooks, cleans, keeps everything in order, takes out loans for her mom's various projects that she just half hazardly throws together, and pays the bills. Imagine knowing all the skill and talent Princess Carolyn has being stifled like that. I couldn't live a life like that under the control of someone when you could reach the sky
Princess Carolyns timeline is yet another one of my all time favorites, in fact i've always loved how complex of a character PC is she never gives up on anyone or anything.
She's one of the best written characters I've seen in any show. Funny how a pink cat can have dialogue that feels more human than most actual humans from other media.
Amelia Airheart (spelling?) is also a great role-model, because she kept her last name through marriage, which was incredibly rare for a woman of her time.
Kept my last name, too (it was my mom’s maiden name actually)! My stepfather got mad at me because of that while the wedding was blasting. It is ridiculous how this is still surprising and controversial to folks like him. Also, by my observation, even if the mom keeps her last name she gives her children the father’s, and it makes no sense to me as mothers usually are doing most of the hard work (if not all of it), not mentioning the childbearing itself, why then should all the credit go to dads? Especially in my culture, where children get a second name from their dads anyway!
My favorite character on the show easily, her dedication to her career and positive outlook when she's on the ropes is what makes it so easy to root for her. Carolyn is so well written and has a great mix of fun and serious.
He was, but honestly I feel that Ralph kind of encouraged her workaholic, unhealthily independent behavior by telling her that she’s “so easy” to date. He’s a good guy, but I don’t know if he was really a good guy for PC.
Ralph was super nice, but he didn’t make PC comfortable with herself in their relationship, which meant she would have to always put him over her own emotional well-being. Ralph was born very privileged and had parents that hated PC for being a cat, which made PC very uncomfortable with her background. But I agree with you completely. I’m really happy that she ended up with Judah, and Ralph was one of my favorite characters
@@joyceyang490 yea Judah is definitely a better fit. Judah embraces the workaholic PC as well as the partner/mother PC. I felt like Ralph wanted her to deny her desire to work, which just isn’t who PC is. Having a real wedding then having an industry wedding is a perfect example of that IMO. I don’t feel like Ralph would have “got” that. Super nice guy tho and they had a lot of chemistry.
This PC timeline couldn't have come at a better time, currently going through my own character arc and honestly seeing how our favorite cat girlboss power through it all despite her trauma gives me hope that, with the right people, I can make the best out of the absolutely shittiest of situations ever.
you got this im rooting for you just imagine me with a giant sign with like your name or something written on it and I’m jumping up and down cheering for you
It's years later, and I'm still questioning if Vincent Adultman is in fact, an adult man and not just 3 kids standing on each other's shoulders in a trench coat 🤔
@Tom's Stuff oh I would've loved a conclusion but I also kinda love that they were like "no, we're NEVER explaining this one ridiculous thing to you." Still hoping for a random BH movie in the future... maybe then.
As much as that would be hilarious, it would take away from the point of his character. His character is there to send a message about blind love without really knowing the person, even if everyone around you sees the red flags
Both are wrong. He's actually only two kids stacked in a trenchcoat. Kevin is only half Vincent's height, and he's usually at the bottom of the trenchcoat while his twin brother is at the top (hence the different number of freckles)
While never stated Judah is heavily autistic coded. If this was the creators intentions I find that interesting that Judah and princess Carolyn got together since a lot of autistic people tend to feel more relatable to cats and have a tendency to choose them over dogs. (This doesn’t have any relevance but people with adhd feel more relevant to dogs)
Unless it is specifically said by the creators, I am not making assumptions. Just because someone seems neurodivergent does not mean that they are. And I say this as someone who is neurodivergent.
@@chickencurry420 when characters have autistic traits, and are heavily implied to have autism , but it’s not outright said or confirmed that the character has autism
What????? Autistic coded? What are some traits of being autistic coded??? If being, smart,resposible and direct is "autistic coded" then hell I want to be "autistic coded" too
I find it impressive that not once does she shout or act annoyed around Ruthie even though she was overworked and clearly didn't have time to look after her 24/7 but she found a way around it because she knew adopting Ruthie was her choice and she deserves a good childhood unlike her own. She truly proved to be a good mother. Also a lot of people think Diane is the soul of the show, but PC wins that title for me.
One of the first things that struck me about the show was how the writers made it clear the characters and events don't revolve around Bojack. The first season is all about his book, and PC calls him maybe halfway through and is surprised that he's writing a book. It was nice to see that she has her own life.
Watching Bojack for the first time, PC was my designated favorite because I love cats. Now, she's my favorite because she's just so well written and Very Girlboss but in an endearing way
I first thought I felt attracted to PC's character because I'm a cat lover, but her quote of "I compulsively take care of other people when I don't know how to take care of myself" just anchored what she and I share...
As someone who was raised by a single hardworking mom and as someone who wants to adopt, PC is a huge inspiration to me. I think about her get your shit together rants a lot. Thank you for this video, and for all the effort you put into your videos.
I just noticed that Judah had a cookie sheet taped to his middle so Ruthie could sit in his lap. That is brilliant. I love the different ways the animators said “yes, they’re raising a baby porcupine, porcupines are ouch, here’s how they’re dealing with it.” Lol
P.C has to be one of the most stressed out characters and the fact she managed to pull her life together so cleanly shows just how dedicated she is and how much willpower she's given herself. God damn she's amazing
I think PC as character really grew on me, always had mixed feelings about her. But over the series seeing her be vulnerable and not just being a work addict brought a lot to the table.
PC’s cat like behavior always cracks me up. The scene where they have to hide from PB and PC bumps into Bojack, causing her to jump onto the dresser and resulting in Diane catching Ruthie like a football is so funny.
I bet once you do BoJack's Timeline, it's going to be an hour long special! But I'm going off topic, Princess Carolyn has got to be one of my favorite characters in BoJack Horseman because out of all the characters of the show, she had the most growth and got her happy ending at the end of the series. I loved her "Get your s*** together." speeches because honestly, she had to deal with a lot when it came to BoJack's antics and the rest of the characters besides Mr. PeanutButter since he is her favorite client.
Okay. Get your shit together. No one else is gonna do it for you. You have to take responsibility for your actions. If you don't like where you're at, how you are, what you do, or how you feel, then it's time you decide to do something about it. You have to give it your best. It doesn't have to be perfect, just be consistent and don't give up. Get your shit together.
My mother is a lot like PC, so it was really tough to see her struggle, especially in season 4. Throughout the whole show I kept rooting for her to have her best possible ending, and season 6 didn’t disappoint. Seeing her finally get her happy ending brought tears to my eyes.
PC deserved Juda. A man that actually propped her up and could keep up with her. He saw how much she effort and energy she gave others and was one of the few ones to give it back. She's the one I related to most (minus wanting to be a mother). She kept getting pulled back I to the muck for someone she loved (bojack) who didn't give her anything in return. Finally realizes it and for probably the 100th time pulls herself out of the muck. She is a fighter and truly cares about people around her even if she doesn't always make the best decisions
What i learned from princess Carolyn is that you can be great and you don't have to do it all and when you let others help you and you can be happy because you deserve to be happy just like everyone else
This ties so well into the over arching theme of the show being Generational Trauma. Granted we don't see her grandma or the 'old' country but PCs life is a stark contrast to the life of Beatrice Horseman. Who DID have the child of passion, who DID get stuck in a life outside of her choice, and DID wind up being forced into situation after situation outside of her control. PC we get the chance to see the other side of things, instead of a hell constructed out of miss opportunity and happenstance we get to see one built out of personal choices. Granted yes Bea could have made choices to avoid her situation she didn't, she stuck to the path guided by her trauma while PC doesn't. The only choice really made FOR Carolynn was the miscarriages, every other branch in her life she picked. She chose to move to LA, she chose to stick around for Bojack, she chose to become an agent then a manager, she chose to create a company on her own BUT she also chose to live her best life and fight and scrape till she eventually came out on top with a loving partner in Juda, a happy baby girl in Rosie, and a collection of wonderful friends surrounding her. I see Beatrice and Carolynn as two sides of the same coin. One side the person gave up and submitted to the horrible situations they were forced into while the other fought back. Carolynn never gave up for too long and her small stints of giving up were countered by her keeping of good company. Todd, Juda, Diane, these are all people who want to see Carolynn and all their other friends succeed and will help as much as they can. Carolynn made all the right choices while Beatrice (what few choices she had) made the wrong ones. NOTE: Because I feel it will come up, I know Beatrice had very few choices as she was subject to society and such but the choices she did make were key choices. NO ONE told her to keep Bojack, she chose to do so out of her own insecurities. NO ONE told her to force Henrietta to abaondon Hollyhock. No one told her to drug Holly, no one told her enable Butterscotches behavior. The only thing she was 'told' to do and did was never to love anyone like Crackerjack and this was still a choice as she wasn't forced to do it, she chose to listen to her mothers poor advice. Beatrice was so broken by her trauma that she had given up and just accepted whatever may come. She lived a reactive life not a proactive one like Carolynn does.
Writing out a long comment to please the algorithm but also because these time lines need to be seen. This is such a well fleshed out way to understand more about your favorite character! I'm so happy because PC is my favorite 💜
Omg! Only when I heard that clip of PC’s mom out of context of the show did I realize she’s voiced by David Sederis! I’ve listened to so many of his books and his voice is so distinctive you’d think I’d have recognized it a long time ago!
And now I need an animation of his short story about about an alcoholic cat in prison from Squirrel Meets Chipmunk, obviously set at the end of the show when BoJack is still in prison. He’s just in the background, also at the AA meetings, and it’s never commented upon.
PC is one of those characters that's so close to my heart. We're a lot alike, using work to cope with our inability to secure a successful home life despite wanting one so badly. I related to her more than any other character on the show. PC's arc gave me hope that I too can find my happy ending like she did.
I forgot about the episode where she struggles to manage her life with ruthie. I love the way they did that episode with the constant frantic pace and multiple PCs. And then that moment at the end where she is finally able to connect with her daughter
Princess Carolyn is my spirit animal. She's not perfect; she has her flaws, but her struggle to reconcile her personal and professional lives makes her feel the most real to me. Her break with BoJack showed me she had arrived: she would always care about him or she would not offer to find him excellent representation, but she no longer wanted to work with him. And I don't think she would have even if she hadn't married Judah.
thank you so much for making these analysis/breakdown videos! i loved watching bojack horseman and it was one of my comfort shows for a long time, but i don't think it's a show that i can watch again or at least rewatch in full. diane and princess carolyn are my two favorite characters and your videos are a great way for me to revisit the world without having to reopen myself to the whole... bojack horsemanness LOL
i love princess carolyn so much, she's undoubtedly my favorite character, even though shes one of the few characters i dont think i have much of anything in common with.
It makes me so glad to know that your favourite character is the same as mine. I love PC, she is just such a well written character and she gets the happy ending she has deserved all along!
I've seen bits and pieces of this show and I honestly thought this entire time from context clues that she was his therapist Holy shit though, what a badass character.
@@hbluemole6941 "Judah Mannowdog" sounds similar to the phrase "You the man now dog," a phrase uttered by Sean Connery in the film "Finding Forrester," which was parodied in the early 2000s frequently, most notably being the namesake of the company "YTMND"
Princess carolyn deserves an entire exhibit in the museum of the rare “strong female character” archetype. (bc majority of the time, the character isn’t strong, the writers just hand a fictional mary sue backstory to them on a silver platter)
Carolyn is definitely my favorite character. She's a lot like my dearly departed Grandma Hazel. She was a tough and spunky Gal who loved her family. She went through a lot and I'm glad she was around to help my family
When I first started the show (knowing nothing about it going in) I thought I wouldn’t like PC. I thought she’d be that stereotypical workaholic/ petty ex gf side character, and I was pleasantly surprised and how fleshed out her character turned out to be. She also turned out to be my favorite character and I really admire her and her story
PC is such a precious character, Bojack didn't deserve that woman "Of course. Of course. That's What you Get when you fall for a Horse" Such Iconic Rhyme 😂
I love this show. Out of all the shows I've seen, Bojack is my favorite character from any show I've watched, tied with Jesse from Breaking Bad. I can't wait for his timeline! I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Bojack Horseman is genuinely one of the greatest shows OAT, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Did no one else make the connection that the minute PC's Mother gives her the necklace, she starts having misscariages. Starting from that rich Fox boy?
A small mention, but the painting in Princess Carolyn's childhood home and the painting in the art gallery, where BoJack and Kelsey are getting the Nixon shot, are both by Thomas Kinkade.
Stray observation: It's funny to me thinking about how the last few episodes of Bojack take place in 2020 and 2021 on account of, well... Because if one wanted to, they could say that those last few episodes did not happen. You could speculate about what likely would've happened in a mid pandemic Hollywoo. Maybe the journalists' trail went cold when everyone was forced to quarantine and social distance. Maybe they never get in contact with the Carsons. Maybe everything goes pretty much the same, just via the internet, but since Todd, PC, and Diane aren't nearby when BJ gets the call from Charlotte, they're unable to set up the Biscuits Braxby interview in a timely manner. Maybe the interview happens over Zoom. Maybe since Bojack's stuck in Connecticut, he can't spiral the same way he did. Maybe he catches the virus in Prison. Not to mention Todd probably loses his job (but he's able to bounce back with some new wacky idea). PC and Judah's romance gets stalled as they have to isolate from each other and PC's able to give Ruthie total attention. Diane's story doesn't change much other than her signing events have to go virtual. Like, it's silly to think about because the staff had no way of knowing, but I do wonder what that alternate version would look like.
Its crazy to me how they used an ACTUAL place in North Carolina. Eden is an actual place. Amd it really set me with cause im a home grown North Carolinian and how her mom interacts with her and how her has an addiction and the gaslighting and gilt tripping, all to relatable...😢❤
I like how all the characters have bad parents and generational trauma in some way. Because it really kinda takes bojack’s “my parents did this to me and it’s not my fault” and tosses it out the window.
PC is also the only character to become a parent as well! She broke the cycle.
@@nyabis8044 I mean Diane married guy which would make her sonnys stepmom
but yeah I agree
Plus, its more realistic imo. More people are abused in one way or another instead of being completely loved 24/7
@@nyabis8044 It's actually possible to break the cycle without having kids. Breaking the cycle just means you're not gonna abuse people even though you were abused. There's plenty of people you interact with already to not abuse, you don't need a kid for that.
Too often, shows romanticize the trauma a woman can go through, setting them up to be saved. In this show, PC takes her traumas as motivation to overcome, all while being unapologetically herself, and in the end, it all works out for her. I love this show.
Not just women, trauma is often trivialized in general. But since so many of us are messed up, I wonder if romanticism of trauma is often the writers crying for help. Just speculation.
@Kotoko Utsugi's headband I mean his comment is more useful than yours
Everyone, saved maybe for Mr.PB, has huge traumas in this series and they're all brilliantly addressed.
@@diamondminer5459 who said just women.
@Kotoko's wife and gf they’re the weirdo? Check out your own name bruh
Mad props to the writers for committing to PC's fertility issues. I lost count of how many times I've seen a woman either struggle to conceive or is outright told they can't, have a child through other means, only to reveal after they have the kid and at the most uplifting moment that they're pregnant against all odds in sitcoms. PC adopted Ruthie, had her new parent struggles, and ends the series content with things. There's no cop-out that she's able to carry a baby to full term because she found "the right guy" in Judah.
I think it perpetuates a harmful idea that women must bear children to be valid as mothers, and can make people feel shame for adopting, needing fertility treatments, etc
I've actually seen some women have babys in real life when they have massive fertility problems
@@snowleopard9907 it sometimes happens but in shows it almost always happens and is just a struggle to make having the baby extra special. This is good rep for parents that never do get that miracle baby and go by other means
@@snowleopard9907 the percent of people who struggle for years with multiple miscarriages who magically manage to conceive is like, a thousand times lower than how often that situation is presented on screen. The parents who never actually manage to conceive despite years or even decades of trying don’t get the representation they deserve
Reminds me of how Monica couldn’t have children in Friends, so she and Chandler decided to use a surrogate which led to her having twins.
I think that the alarm’s “you are forty” was the exact moment I realized how serious and well written the show actually is.
And the song being played is incredible too
That's very strange
Same.
ikr like i forgot there all much older then what they seem & that’s why they treat todd almost a child cuz he’s in his 20s
I really thought they were all like in thirties or something until that came up.
My favorite thing about Princess Carolyn is the tongue twisters gag. The reason behind this running gag existed was because the writers knew that Amy Sedaris hated them is hilarious.
I also love that the gag became a genuine way to connect with her daughter.
@@nyabis8044 Yeah that was a great way to integrate the joke into the actual dramatic beats of the story. Bojack gags that did that were the best- the running monkey in season 2 was another good example
Oh my God, I think that's my new favorite trivia about this show.
That’s hilarious and thanks for sharing. XD Amy must have been like, why guys? Lol
@@curranfrank2854 remind me again what they did with the running monkey?
I’m surprised that you didn’t mention her two unaccounted miscarriages, which had the high possibility of at least one belonging to Bojack.
I actually hadn't thought of that!
Oh snap I didn't consider that before
I actually was just thinking of that- it makes a lot of sense too
Poor PC
Wow. Damn. That news alone makes me wonder how different things might have been with Bojack if she did manage to have that baby.
...what an entirely different future this all might have been.
Omg maybe she had this miscarriage and then asked him to have a baby with her which he refused
I'm gonna be honest with you, I cried when PC named her daughter Ruthie. She named her real life daughter after the imaginary descendant she made up to comfort her on her worst days, and I think there's something really special about that.
I thought she was named after the word "ruthless". I can't remember the exact quote but it was some sort of commentary on parenting.
@@wizardjokes It was a conversation with Vanessa Gecko about babies being "ruthless" clients, but no matter how tough it gets, you just have to get on with it because that's your job as a parent ^^ I think it's a combination of both, like maybe Vanessa's choice of words gave PC the inspiration for that name and at the same time it made her remember her fantasy? Idk, I just don't think that it's a coincidence that her made up descendant has the same name as her real life daughter
watching this made me realize how entirely different pc's life could've been. had she never had her first miscarriage, she might still be married to cooper and apart of his family. had she listened to her mother and not gone to california right away, she might be stuck in north carolina running a booth at the flea market like sadie. it's crazy to see the little steps along the way that made pc into the person she ended up becoming and how she changed her life drastically by doing what she wanted and going her own way
i love this comment. it’s so crazy
i love this comment. it’s so crazy
Coopers never marry a PC. Best case, the family gives her a check every month for the kid and she's slightly better off than her mom.
I really don't understand why people hate PC. Yeah, she's a ruthless businesswoman, but she's the most likely out of the main cast to realize her mistakes and go out of her way to fix them. She's a woman in control of her own destiny, what's to hate about that?
Reminds me of Monica Lewinsky: they are women who realize their worth and are transparent about their flaws and work towards self-improvement
She's too...girl boss? A lot of people really seem to despise that.
Because she’s a woman In control of her own destiny and she isn’t meek and agreeable about it.
We will accept a woman in control of her destiny if she is likeable and quiet about it, but not vocal and unapologetic
@@ginao6810 ain't that the truth...
Probably because PC instills bitterness into people who are less in control of their fate and simply let their life happen, and PC simultaneously shows the results of "girlbossing too close to the sun" which acts as an unrequested mirror to people who are very ambitious and driven.
Personally, I'm a gay feminist so PC is one of my favorite characters on the show because we love to see a queen winning, but also the painful lessons that allow for her growth as a person.
I think if I could assign any real world song to her character, it would be The Man by Taylor Swift. Very similar energy
Princess Carolyn was the only one who actually got a happy ending, and honestly she deserved it.
What about Diane? She got engaged to Guy who's an amazing person she deserves. Those two, and Todd with his girlfriend, get happy endings. Technically only Bojack had a 'bad' ending. But really there is now endings. We just don't see the complete end to their stories.
Diane kind of got a happy ending. She realized so much about herself once she stepped away from Bojack. Same with Todd.
I think Todd got a happy ending oo
@@saturnzbarz1350 Diane says her and Guy broke up in the last episode but she still has her successful kids book (I can’t remember if she was single though or she got in another relationship)
Edit: I misunderstood lol they got married
@@Jordan64852 They actually got engaged, remember? She flaunted the ring to Bojack in the final episode. She meant they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend because now they're fiances.
PC's timeline makes you realize how intertwined she is with other characters. Her timeline has a lot of discussion on what other characters are up to because she's always doing stuff for other people, as she did for her mom when she was young.
Throughout these analysis, you really realize how terrible BoJack is. He really just drags down everyone around him and as soon as they leave, they get better.
facts
He also gets better when they step away from him.
I'm reminded of Ana's lifeguard story.
@@IsaacV2001 thats cuz hes forced to deal with his shit. They arent there to encourage him or get him out of his own messes and hes not there to drag them into his messes or demand attention or else he'd ruin their happiness. Bojack is a person who cant allow other people to be happy around him if hes unhappy and hes always unhappy.
One of the main things I love about the show is how it shows that people are nuanced, saying that a character like Bojack is "terrible" as a blanket statement really misses the point.
I never realized how great Todd and P. C.'s friendship is and I love it
Ikr, they were like mother and son. Like a older sister/maternal like relationship
well they both have a very caring, selfless attitude. im not surprised they have a close friendship.
Looking back Princess Caroline and Todd have probably the best dynamic in the show. They're just constantly there to help each other out, it's great
To me, Princess Carolyn is basically just hilarious rhyming writing. she has the best individual lines in the whole show.
Apparently Amy Sedaris hated those bits but was so good at them that the writers just kept giving them to her.
@@tmage23 they must be the biggest pain to say so fast.
@@Kris-wo4pj Courtney Pulled the Prot d'oi on the Short Boy's Quarderoys?
I like how some random characters are named like cutesy pet names, for example Princess Carolyn, her mother, officer Meow-Meow fuzzy face, and Cuddlywhiskers.
Notice how all of those are also animals typically kept as pets in our world - cats, hamsters, and dogs in the case of Mr Peanutbutter and Pickles. I never noticed until I read this comment
@@mollywalker5790 it's the same with Bojack's family as well. They're all extremely horse names lol
Pretty much all the animal names are either puns on real people (Quentin taranutino was one) or stereotypical names for that species. Mr Peanut butter because dogs love peanut butter, all the horses have typical racehorse names, etc
The whole show is animal puns lol
The way Princess Carolyn's Mom treats her reminds me a lot of my ex's mom. She's 34, has a masters degree and is stuck home taking care of her mom and grandma. She cooks, cleans, keeps everything in order, takes out loans for her mom's various projects that she just half hazardly throws together, and pays the bills. Imagine knowing all the skill and talent Princess Carolyn has being stifled like that. I couldn't live a life like that under the control of someone when you could reach the sky
Princess Carolyns timeline is yet another one of my all time favorites, in fact i've always loved how complex of a character PC is she never gives up on anyone or anything.
She's one of the best written characters I've seen in any show. Funny how a pink cat can have dialogue that feels more human than most actual humans from other media.
Amelia Airheart (spelling?) is also a great role-model, because she kept her last name through marriage, which was incredibly rare for a woman of her time.
still rare for women today, sadly. if i ever get married to a man i will either keep my name or come up with a new one though ❤
It’s spelled “Earhart”. Weird I know
@@chickenx777 my mother also kept her maiden name after marriage! imo, its prettier than our dad’s lol.
I kept mine and my husband actually changed his last name to match mine
Kept my last name, too (it was my mom’s maiden name actually)! My stepfather got mad at me because of that while the wedding was blasting. It is ridiculous how this is still surprising and controversial to folks like him. Also, by my observation, even if the mom keeps her last name she gives her children the father’s, and it makes no sense to me as mothers usually are doing most of the hard work (if not all of it), not mentioning the childbearing itself, why then should all the credit go to dads? Especially in my culture, where children get a second name from their dads anyway!
My favorite character on the show easily, her dedication to her career and positive outlook when she's on the ropes is what makes it so easy to root for her. Carolyn is so well written and has a great mix of fun and serious.
I love that she ended up with Judah but I really liked Ralph. He was a good guy.
He was
He was, but honestly I feel that Ralph kind of encouraged her workaholic, unhealthily independent behavior by telling her that she’s “so easy” to date. He’s a good guy, but I don’t know if he was really a good guy for PC.
Ralph was super nice, but he didn’t make PC comfortable with herself in their relationship, which meant she would have to always put him over her own emotional well-being. Ralph was born very privileged and had parents that hated PC for being a cat, which made PC very uncomfortable with her background. But I agree with you completely. I’m really happy that she ended up with Judah, and Ralph was one of my favorite characters
@@joyceyang490 yea Judah is definitely a better fit. Judah embraces the workaholic PC as well as the partner/mother PC. I felt like Ralph wanted her to deny her desire to work, which just isn’t who PC is. Having a real wedding then having an industry wedding is a perfect example of that IMO. I don’t feel like Ralph would have “got” that. Super nice guy tho and they had a lot of chemistry.
Yeah Ralph was great. I wish they could have worked things out, but as things are, I think its best they didn't get back together
I absolutely love PC. She's so great. I adore that she got a happy ending. Her and Judah raising Ruthie makes me so happy.
This PC timeline couldn't have come at a better time, currently going through my own character arc and honestly seeing how our favorite cat girlboss power through it all despite her trauma gives me hope that, with the right people, I can make the best out of the absolutely shittiest of situations ever.
you got this im rooting for you just imagine me with a giant sign with like your name or something written on it and I’m jumping up and down cheering for you
@@justinhamilton8647 Thanks buddy, I really appreciate the support and hope that things go well for you too 🥺
WOAH ME TOO! Im finding strength in PC as a character because I'm trying to power through some stuff too. You got this :)
It's years later, and I'm still questioning if Vincent Adultman is in fact, an adult man and not just 3 kids standing on each other's shoulders in a trench coat 🤔
@Tom's Stuff oh I would've loved a conclusion but I also kinda love that they were like "no, we're NEVER explaining this one ridiculous thing to you." Still hoping for a random BH movie in the future... maybe then.
i mean some other comment mentioned the number of freckes on their cheeks are different
As much as that would be hilarious, it would take away from the point of his character. His character is there to send a message about blind love without really knowing the person, even if everyone around you sees the red flags
I JUST REALIZED THAT VINCENT WAS A MAN CHILD BOTH FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY THE POINT WENT COMPLETELY OVER OUR HEADS
Both are wrong. He's actually only two kids stacked in a trenchcoat.
Kevin is only half Vincent's height, and he's usually at the bottom of the trenchcoat while his twin brother is at the top (hence the different number of freckles)
Love the video as always! Now, I challenge you. The impossible timeline. The forbidden timeline. The timeline of PB’s friend “Erica”.
“ERRRRICCCAAAAA!”
-PB
"Erica! You know you can't be here, this place is filled with children!"
@@MK-ophelia "Erica! Look at you with the correct number of ears!"
"Erica! Throw me a raft I'm drowning"
“ERICA!! How are you looking so beautiful? I’m furious!”
While never stated Judah is heavily autistic coded.
If this was the creators intentions I find that interesting that Judah and princess Carolyn got together since a lot of autistic people tend to feel more relatable to cats and have a tendency to choose them over dogs.
(This doesn’t have any relevance but people with adhd feel more relevant to dogs)
Unless it is specifically said by the creators, I am not making assumptions. Just because someone seems neurodivergent does not mean that they are. And I say this as someone who is neurodivergent.
@@Passions5555 that doesn't change the fact he's heavily autistic coded, whether or not it was intentional doesn't matter
@@skeleletonboi4533 What does "autistic coded" mean? As opposed to just simply autistic?
@@chickencurry420 when characters have autistic traits, and are heavily implied to have autism , but it’s not outright said or confirmed that the character has autism
What?????
Autistic coded?
What are some traits of being autistic coded???
If being, smart,resposible and direct is "autistic coded" then hell I want to be "autistic coded" too
I find it impressive that not once does she shout or act annoyed around Ruthie even though she was overworked and clearly didn't have time to look after her 24/7 but she found a way around it because she knew adopting Ruthie was her choice and she deserves a good childhood unlike her own. She truly proved to be a good mother. Also a lot of people think Diane is the soul of the show, but PC wins that title for me.
12:55
Kevin is indeed Vincent's son. The numbers of freckles on their right cheeks are different. Kevin has only 2 and Vincent has 4.
oh my god i never noticed that
Or they're identical twins.
One of the first things that struck me about the show was how the writers made it clear the characters and events don't revolve around Bojack. The first season is all about his book, and PC calls him maybe halfway through and is surprised that he's writing a book. It was nice to see that she has her own life.
God she went through so much I haven't been so close to crying this many times in any of the other timelines
Watching Bojack for the first time, PC was my designated favorite because I love cats. Now, she's my favorite because she's just so well written and Very Girlboss but in an endearing way
PC’s mom has a spider plant, which are psychoactive to cats when eaten
Holy carp I never knew this!
Fish! I didn't know that!
Jesus this show is written so well
what about in humans?
My favourite moment was when Ralph defending his relationship with Princess Carolyn from his parents and she felt so relieved and happy.
I first thought I felt attracted to PC's character because I'm a cat lover, but her quote of "I compulsively take care of other people when I don't know how to take care of myself" just anchored what she and I share...
As someone who was raised by a single hardworking mom and as someone who wants to adopt, PC is a huge inspiration to me. I think about her get your shit together rants a lot. Thank you for this video, and for all the effort you put into your videos.
I just noticed that Judah had a cookie sheet taped to his middle so Ruthie could sit in his lap. That is brilliant. I love the different ways the animators said “yes, they’re raising a baby porcupine, porcupines are ouch, here’s how they’re dealing with it.” Lol
P.C. is a great example of a strong, independent, flawed woman who struggles but overcomes at every turn. Extremely well written.
P.C has to be one of the most stressed out characters and the fact she managed to pull her life together so cleanly shows just how dedicated she is and how much willpower she's given herself.
God damn she's amazing
The timeline I've been waiting for!! She's my absolute favorite character!
I think PC as character really grew on me, always had mixed feelings about her. But over the series seeing her be vulnerable and not just being a work addict brought a lot to the table.
8:13 "PC abandons ship." No truer words have been spoken. She flew out that window. She was like, "Bump this nosie. I'm out. " 😂
PC’s cat like behavior always cracks me up. The scene where they have to hide from PB and PC bumps into Bojack, causing her to jump onto the dresser and resulting in Diane catching Ruthie like a football is so funny.
The childhood scenes are what really sold me on this character. She is a rock.
I bet once you do BoJack's Timeline, it's going to be an hour long special! But I'm going off topic, Princess Carolyn has got to be one of my favorite characters in BoJack Horseman because out of all the characters of the show, she had the most growth and got her happy ending at the end of the series. I loved her "Get your s*** together." speeches because honestly, she had to deal with a lot when it came to BoJack's antics and the rest of the characters besides Mr. PeanutButter since he is her favorite client.
Sometimes, I wish I could have a PC "Get your shit together speech" launched at me, and that I could land on my feet the way her character does.
Okay. Get your shit together. No one else is gonna do it for you. You have to take responsibility for your actions. If you don't like where you're at, how you are, what you do, or how you feel, then it's time you decide to do something about it.
You have to give it your best. It doesn't have to be perfect, just be consistent and don't give up. Get your shit together.
My mother is a lot like PC, so it was really tough to see her struggle, especially in season 4. Throughout the whole show I kept rooting for her to have her best possible ending, and season 6 didn’t disappoint. Seeing her finally get her happy ending brought tears to my eyes.
She's a lot like my mom too!
if thats so how are you even born?
she reminds me of my mom too bro frfr
PC deserved Juda. A man that actually propped her up and could keep up with her. He saw how much she effort and energy she gave others and was one of the few ones to give it back. She's the one I related to most (minus wanting to be a mother). She kept getting pulled back I to the muck for someone she loved (bojack) who didn't give her anything in return. Finally realizes it and for probably the 100th time pulls herself out of the muck. She is a fighter and truly cares about people around her even if she doesn't always make the best decisions
Princess Carolyn is one of my favorite characters in the entire show
What i learned from princess Carolyn is that you can be great and you don't have to do it all and when you let others help you and you can be happy because you deserve to be happy just like everyone else
I think PC and Diane would have a lot to talk about parental trauma.
I think PC getting engaged to Judah is the best this that's happened to her
This ties so well into the over arching theme of the show being Generational Trauma. Granted we don't see her grandma or the 'old' country but PCs life is a stark contrast to the life of Beatrice Horseman. Who DID have the child of passion, who DID get stuck in a life outside of her choice, and DID wind up being forced into situation after situation outside of her control.
PC we get the chance to see the other side of things, instead of a hell constructed out of miss opportunity and happenstance we get to see one built out of personal choices. Granted yes Bea could have made choices to avoid her situation she didn't, she stuck to the path guided by her trauma while PC doesn't. The only choice really made FOR Carolynn was the miscarriages, every other branch in her life she picked. She chose to move to LA, she chose to stick around for Bojack, she chose to become an agent then a manager, she chose to create a company on her own BUT she also chose to live her best life and fight and scrape till she eventually came out on top with a loving partner in Juda, a happy baby girl in Rosie, and a collection of wonderful friends surrounding her.
I see Beatrice and Carolynn as two sides of the same coin. One side the person gave up and submitted to the horrible situations they were forced into while the other fought back. Carolynn never gave up for too long and her small stints of giving up were countered by her keeping of good company. Todd, Juda, Diane, these are all people who want to see Carolynn and all their other friends succeed and will help as much as they can. Carolynn made all the right choices while Beatrice (what few choices she had) made the wrong ones.
NOTE: Because I feel it will come up, I know Beatrice had very few choices as she was subject to society and such but the choices she did make were key choices. NO ONE told her to keep Bojack, she chose to do so out of her own insecurities. NO ONE told her to force Henrietta to abaondon Hollyhock. No one told her to drug Holly, no one told her enable Butterscotches behavior. The only thing she was 'told' to do and did was never to love anyone like Crackerjack and this was still a choice as she wasn't forced to do it, she chose to listen to her mothers poor advice. Beatrice was so broken by her trauma that she had given up and just accepted whatever may come. She lived a reactive life not a proactive one like Carolynn does.
Writing out a long comment to please the algorithm but also because these time lines need to be seen. This is such a well fleshed out way to understand more about your favorite character! I'm so happy because PC is my favorite 💜
Omg! Only when I heard that clip of PC’s mom out of context of the show did I realize she’s voiced by David Sederis!
I’ve listened to so many of his books and his voice is so distinctive you’d think I’d have recognized it a long time ago!
And now I need an animation of his short story about about an alcoholic cat in prison from Squirrel Meets Chipmunk, obviously set at the end of the show when BoJack is still in prison. He’s just in the background, also at the AA meetings, and it’s never commented upon.
@@argolake8623God, the way I want all of David’s stories animated.
PC is one of those characters that's so close to my heart. We're a lot alike, using work to cope with our inability to secure a successful home life despite wanting one so badly. I related to her more than any other character on the show.
PC's arc gave me hope that I too can find my happy ending like she did.
I forgot about the episode where she struggles to manage her life with ruthie. I love the way they did that episode with the constant frantic pace and multiple PCs. And then that moment at the end where she is finally able to connect with her daughter
Princess Carolyn is my spirit animal. She's not perfect; she has her flaws, but her struggle to reconcile her personal and professional lives makes her feel the most real to me. Her break with BoJack showed me she had arrived: she would always care about him or she would not offer to find him excellent representation, but she no longer wanted to work with him. And I don't think she would have even if she hadn't married Judah.
I don't think I've ever loved another cartoon character as much as I love PC.
me too😢
Gotta be honest i didnt know she had such a complex background and timeline but its thanks to these vids that help to understand things a bit more.
Pc has the saddest story with the best ending I'm happy knowing she got a complete story and a good ending with her daughter.
Did you know that originally that Mr. Peanutbutter was meant to be Bojack's agent with a cool Shaft like personality
thank you so much for making these analysis/breakdown videos! i loved watching bojack horseman and it was one of my comfort shows for a long time, but i don't think it's a show that i can watch again or at least rewatch in full. diane and princess carolyn are my two favorite characters and your videos are a great way for me to revisit the world without having to reopen myself to the whole... bojack horsemanness LOL
i love princess carolyn so much, she's undoubtedly my favorite character, even though shes one of the few characters i dont think i have much of anything in common with.
I had a feeling Ruthie would be the next BoJack Breakdown after you posted this video. The Amelia Earhart Story deserves one, too.
My life is simple; Johnny uploads, I watch. Simple as that.
It makes me so glad to know that your favourite character is the same as mine. I love PC, she is just such a well written character and she gets the happy ending she has deserved all along!
I’m so happy that Princess Carolyn got a happy ending she was my favourite character and she really deserved it!
"I love you, Princess carolyn"
~Judah
I've seen bits and pieces of this show and I honestly thought this entire time from context clues that she was his therapist
Holy shit though, what a badass character.
16:30 how did I never notice the joke of Judah’s name lmao
It feels like something straight out of Ace Attorney.
Mannowdog. I don't get it, sorry
@@hbluemole6941 "Judah Mannowdog" sounds similar to the phrase "You the man now dog," a phrase uttered by Sean Connery in the film "Finding Forrester," which was parodied in the early 2000s frequently, most notably being the namesake of the company "YTMND"
@@higginswalsan OMG! Thank you so much hahaha
That dancing scene at the end of the show between PC and Bojack is one of my personal favorites of them.
This will be super useful for my finals essay on bojack horseman! Thank you for all your work man
The necklace 3:43 is theorized to have lead 😭
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Princess carolyn deserves an entire exhibit in the museum of the rare “strong female character” archetype.
(bc majority of the time, the character isn’t strong, the writers just hand a fictional mary sue backstory to them on a silver platter)
She’s my favorite character on the show, and one of my top ten favorite animated characters.
After this I'm rewatching the other series. P.C. is absolutely my favorite character
Carolyn is definitely my favorite character. She's a lot like my dearly departed Grandma Hazel. She was a tough and spunky Gal who loved her family. She went through a lot and I'm glad she was around to help my family
When I first started the show (knowing nothing about it going in) I thought I wouldn’t like PC. I thought she’d be that stereotypical workaholic/ petty ex gf side character, and I was pleasantly surprised and how fleshed out her character turned out to be. She also turned out to be my favorite character and I really admire her and her story
Been waiting for this one!!! And almost 40 minutes?! You’re so awesome. 🍿
PC is such a precious character, Bojack didn't deserve that woman
"Of course. Of course. That's What you Get when you fall for a Horse" Such Iconic Rhyme 😂
Spittin
I love this show. Out of all the shows I've seen, Bojack is my favorite character from any show I've watched, tied with Jesse from Breaking Bad. I can't wait for his timeline! I know this is an unpopular opinion, but Bojack Horseman is genuinely one of the greatest shows OAT, and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Wait how is this an unpopular opinion on the internet
15:52 is such a powerful line coming from PC, she deserved better than the people she got
This one hits deep bro my mom was just like princess Caroline and I love you finaly see one of these for princess Caroline
BACK IN THE 90'S I WAS IN A VERY FAMOUS BI-MONTHLY CURATED BASKET OF SNACKS
Did no one else make the connection that the minute PC's Mother gives her the necklace, she starts having misscariages. Starting from that rich Fox boy?
Wow. I hadn’t thought about that.
PC is such a precious character to me bc when I see her, I see my mother, and everything she did before she had me 💕💕
I love watching PC, she doesnt give up
Juda is one of my favorite side characters. Simple and straight to the point.
I didn't knew my B-day was the same as Princess Carolyn!
That's pretty cool IMO
A small mention, but the painting in Princess Carolyn's childhood home and the painting in the art gallery, where BoJack and Kelsey are getting the Nixon shot, are both by Thomas Kinkade.
I love this complete timeline content
...I'd never heard Judah's full name before today. My mind has been blown.
I don't get it
She’s my second favorite I absolutely love her journey
princess carolyn deserves the most/best of anyone on the show.
Stray observation:
It's funny to me thinking about how the last few episodes of Bojack take place in 2020 and 2021 on account of, well...
Because if one wanted to, they could say that those last few episodes did not happen. You could speculate about what likely would've happened in a mid pandemic Hollywoo.
Maybe the journalists' trail went cold when everyone was forced to quarantine and social distance. Maybe they never get in contact with the Carsons. Maybe everything goes pretty much the same, just via the internet, but since Todd, PC, and Diane aren't nearby when BJ gets the call from Charlotte, they're unable to set up the Biscuits Braxby interview in a timely manner. Maybe the interview happens over Zoom. Maybe since Bojack's stuck in Connecticut, he can't spiral the same way he did. Maybe he catches the virus in Prison.
Not to mention Todd probably loses his job (but he's able to bounce back with some new wacky idea). PC and Judah's romance gets stalled as they have to isolate from each other and PC's able to give Ruthie total attention. Diane's story doesn't change much other than her signing events have to go virtual.
Like, it's silly to think about because the staff had no way of knowing, but I do wonder what that alternate version would look like.
All of this and the tongue twisters make her an one of my all time favorite characters
Its crazy to me how they used an ACTUAL place in North Carolina. Eden is an actual place. Amd it really set me with cause im a home grown North Carolinian and how her mom interacts with her and how her has an addiction and the gaslighting and gilt tripping, all to relatable...😢❤
as screwed up as PC's mom was, there's something so tragically beautiful about how she made up the thing with the necklace
Finally the GOAT: Princess Carolyn! 💅🏽