While I can tolerate balloons rubbing against each other, there is this certain plastic texture that makes me deeply cringe when I hear it rubbing. Worse than chalkboard scratching.
I love this character so much. "How do I know what they want me to say?" hit me on a personal level. He wants to be liked for who he actually is, and is content when he isn't as long as he's his own authentic self. I wish I could be more like him.
I feel that too. I think one of the many reasons I love Moominvalley so much is because all the characters are allowed to be their true selves, and even when their friends don’t really understand their differences, they adapt and try to make sure that everyone feels included just as they are in the end. Even before Snork was (finally !) added to the show, I could empathize on such a deep level with Snufkin. As an autistic introvert who desperately needs a LOT of alone time to recharge and unwind, it can be hard to make loved ones see how much I really do care about them, when I can’t always show it in the ways that seem most meaningful to them. I used to want to please everybody so badly that I’d completely ignore my own needs, until one too many burnouts left me with permanent health problems. Snufkin represents everything I wish I’d had the courage to be when I was younger, and the fundamental part of myself I’ve been learning to accept. He compromises even more than I think I could, but never enough to harm his well-being or to change his nature, which is SO important. And I think there’s real beauty in the way Moomintroll, who is the complete opposite in terms of social needs, learns to meet him halfway, by finding contentment in what his friend CAN give freely. I’m delighted to also see Snork stay true to himself whether that makes him popular or not, and the others recognize that his more analytical approach to situations doesn’t mean he’s devoid of emotion.
EXACTLY!!! Gosh, not knowing what to say is a big problem for me. I've developed this kind of system where I observe what everyone's saying and then try to mirror it best I can so it's appropriate. Through years of feedback, I can kind of guess what it is I'm supposed to say, but most of the time I'm still clueless when it comes to what I should say/talk about when I'm forced to do small talk with people who don't share my interests. Snork is such a beautiful character and I positively feel a normal way about him /s Another thing I would've wanted is for him to develop a friendship with Snufkin, possibly instead of with Misabel, because I have a hc that Snufkin is also on the spectrum and I dunno, I feel they could've bonded over their shared appreciation for solo time and distaste for big social gatherings
I also noticed that whenever he’s talking to someone you rarely see him make eye contact. He tends to look away a lot with his eyes or his body. I feel that on a personal level, being autistic myself
but i absolutely love the fact that at no point in the show is snork expected to change and moomintroll is wrong for wanting him to change, that's so poggers
The way he flinched when he pops the balloons makes me so sad,,, poor thing is in pain when they pop but doesn't wanna have to deal with them popping unexpectedly
Started crying at the end, everyone always is confused and rude whenever i say no to a hug, as if i meant it personally. Them apologizing and understanding that that's just not what snork is comfortable with is something i wish i saw more often
I think Snorkmaiden represents that ugly side of puberty we all went through. All that insecurity, jealousy and the feeling how we are not good enough as we are. We all have little Snorkmaiden in us and she has important role reminding us how not to behave and not letting your on insecurity to get better of you 🤷♀️
the visual for when we see the party from snork's side is legit so good for people who dont experience sensory overload. everything is too bright, everything is too loud, and its all so much to take in, that your brain just shuts down. i talk exactly like snork as well. especially like in the forest scene
Yeah that was too accurate. Sometimes, not often, just the lights in the house make me overload. I have to turn off all the lights or go hide in my room to relax
Is it normally quite frequent a thing? I think I have it happen on the rare occasion. Usually when talking to someone. I just suddenly find myself in a panic and can't handle looking the person in the eyes. Like, I'm fine 99% of the time, but out of nowhere, I want to run and hide from it all, even tho I also really want to continue the conversation. Tho maybe it's more of an anxiety problem. But it feels sensory. The last time was recent; my eyes got all weird from whatever annoying wind was blowing in them, and them bam.
My jaw dropped at the balloon monologue. I've always felt the exact same way about balloons and got made fun of my entire life for being afraid around them. It was hard to explain that it wasn't the balloons *themselves* I was afraid of -- I think they're really adorable in concept!!! -- I just knew there were loud noises waiting inside and there was absolutely no way to predict when those loud noises would come out, especially when kids are playing with them. I feel seen lol
I like how Snork is being introduced, based on these clips, and how accepting of his little eccentricities the others all gradually become, instead of the change having to come from him at the detriment of his personality and values. It’s always nice to see an autistic-coded character that doesn’t come across as a blatant caricature or basically just a soulless list of exaggerated traits… He actually seems like a friendly guy in his own way. Despite being autistic, I personally see more of myself in Snufkin (who might in fact be the fictional character I can identify with the most), but many of these situations with Snork are painfully relatable.
the scene when moominmama goes in for a hug and Snork declines it makes my heart so happy and idk why. Edit: i literally just got my autism diagnosis today 😭 im genuinely so happy this kind of representation exists within moominvalley
This reminds me of my dad, who is potentially autistic but never got diagnosed cuz his parents thought that "all this pshychology mumbo-jambo is a sham". He is the best dad i could've wished for and im glad that i can understand his way of communicating well enough now, to know that he loves me very much 🥰
Ya know thats relatable as hell, my dad doesnt believe in this stuff either even my own autism diagnosis. He force me into alot of social situations which constantly left me in alot of stress not wanting to interact with just about anyone even in a school setting. Somehow I am thankfull for this in the end. He wanted me to have a "normal" life and well alot of people including random strangers have become even pleasant to talk to and get along with. Dads are a misunderstood breed going off what I see from alot of other people saying about their parents.
What I felt really hit about Snork was when he went to a party and was on the verge or already having sensory overload from the loud music (and bright lights!), his comment about never knowing when the balloon's gonna pop and that resulting in anxiety, the way he keeps his paws folded near him as though he has limp wrists, and then the eye contact! I like how he can sustain it for a little while, but then quickly looks away, it's so... nice? Refreshing? Cathartic? To see someone who mirrors a lot of the things I feel/experience
He is a bit of a stereotype (always tells the truth, takes everything literally, has no vocal inflection) but a well done character anyway. Love this guy!
in the 90s anime, pretty much all the characters read as neurodiverse to me, being straight forward, expressing their emotions bluntly and sometimes rudely, not having conversations they werent interested in, having super strong and loyal attachments to people they felt safe around, so im glad snork is keeping that going super strongly and visibly. even in this scene, snork and moomintroll feel like the two opposite kinds of autism.
I wonder if that has to do with the fact that the Moomins were originally written in Swedish. Maybe, in attempting to translate the dialog, they went with the more literal translation which is why they're so direct. As someone who is autistic, IMO them doing literal translations would also be a way of representing neurodivergency, because why add all that unnecessary social conventions when you can be direct with speech. I mean, I understand why social standards when it comes to conversations exist and will participate in them, but the bluntness of the Moomins is nice.
Tbh even here, they all have neurodivergent traits. The Moomins are considered an odd bunch Snufkin needs to recharge alone Snufkin and Fillyjonk have nothing in common but both hate their routine disturb/unexpected things (Snufkin breaks down when his peace is disturbed and also struggles with owning new stuff. Fillyjonk... She makes it obvious enough.) Little My being honest to the point she's perceived as rude Even the Hemulen habit to collect one specific thing I know there's also comics where the Moomins tries to follow society's rules and decides it's dumb and give up Oh and the way Moominpappa is uncomfortable with money too I'm sure the list keeps going. They all shows some ND traits, and though separately they might not show enough different traits to be diagnosed, each of their personal traits is an HEAVY part of their personality. So yeah, most of them if not all of them can be read as neurodivergent.
Well he didn’t really have any characterization in the original material beyond being the Snorkmaiden’s brother, and the 90s anime made him an inventor who was obsessed with building a flying ship, which wasn’t relevant to the main characters most of the time.
Snork is one of my two favorite characters, in the book too. I am glad that they didn't just portray him as an annoying nerd, but made him someone many people can associate themselves with.
The most unrealistic part is that at that party, snufkin wasn't strategically stood by an exit. Cuz he also doesn't like too much stimulation. Which makes me wonder why moomin struggles so much with snork. If he's learning to go at snufkins quiet, slow, non peoplely pace
As an autistic person I think it's very much to show how many neurotypical relate to autistic people. NT aren't usually put off much by those that are easy going, albeit non-sociable people but they are put off by those that are abrupt, brutally honest and struggle to show our emotions in a readable way like us ND peeps are(that doesn't mean we don't have them we just down show them as openly). So the fact moomin wasn't put off by snufkin but was by snork is actually pretty relatable.
well, there is a pretty obvious difference between the two, to me snufkin seems to be overstimulated by people and social situations specifically (akin to social anxiety/agoraphobia), while snork is sensitive to sensory input like sounds, lights, colors etc. which, when added up, causes overstim. snufkin is just a bit introverted and non-sociable, while snork, to an NT person, might even appear non-approachable due to being difficult to read, blunt, and "awkward/annoying to talk to" (due to not understanding jokes/sarcasm, being brutally honest, etc.) to be fair, snufkin also gives ND vibes for me, but in a different way than snork, so it still makes sense that moomin understands snufkin far better than snork (that, and he knows snufkin much better... maybe once he's had the time to get to know snork better, he'll do better too). but that's probably me projecting lmao
@@lunar_proxy Honestly as an autistic person, I think Snufkin is a bit more relatable than Stork. As a child I would've said the opposite, but autism poses different challenges at different lifestages.
That sensory overload scene was just so well done. I don’t have autism, but I have ADHD and Anxiety, and it just captured the feeling so perfectly. I could explain it better, but I can’t right now. I just wanted to express that. X3
Some scientists think that ADHD might actually be a common form of ASD due to it frequently occurring in autistic individuals. So you might be autistic, but just not have the more commonly associated traits of it.
It's interesting how Moomintroll's point of view is so different from Snork's. Literally and figuratively. If you look closely at the landscape that both are seeing (7:13 and 7:21), it seems that the colors are different. This could be interpreted as the way an autistic person sees the world compared to a non-autistic person. This is a masterpiece.
I'm not actually autistic, but I do deal with sensory issues and watching Snork deal with the sensory overload scene hit really close to home. Not only that, but the fact that Moominmama was okay with him disliking hugs was so sweet and I'm happy that kids who watch this will be taught that "not everyone likes hugs, and that okay" early on. I still struggle with trying to get people to understand that they shouldn't take offense when I don't want to hug them, it's simply just something I don't enjoy doing.
I’m the same way! I especially don’t like when people come close to me without telling me their intentions. It’s so nice to have a character to relate to!
Moominvalley may have it flaws as an adaptation but SNORK surely isn't one of them such wonderful character it's always nice to see him when he appears in an episode (That one scene of moomintroll scratching his but with a hammer it's so funny to me JWJSBSJZ)
That's why I love this episode so much: its teaching kids that no, autistic people don't live in asylums, and they're not crazy -they just see the world in a more direct manner.
I haven't been able to get a diagnosis but many people believe me to be autistic. Honestly, every time I see a compilation like this I just think about how accurate they likely are. Snork is very relatable.
I have ASD and I love how blunt and to the point snork is. He's like me in that sense. And the party scene didn't startle me too much but I twitch a lot when I hear a loud or sudden noise. And I can't listen to hard rock or heavy metal. I start to panic a lot so it's nice to see that representation and was done well
Not autistic, but the sensory overload and dislike for loud and crowded places, and not liking being touched by people he's not familiar with, hit me real hard. I feel you my man, it's a real struggle to function as a person, when everyone doesn't understand why you don't like or can't do things that everyone else can
I normally don't like snork maiden in the new show sense she seems a bit whiny to me but how shes depicted in these clips with snork is actually rather sweet. You can tell how much she cares about her brother in these! She understands him and knows when something is to much for him or when to tell him to calm down and let others talk
I relate a lot to this character. Yes, admittedly he is a bit of a stereotype but overall I think the character is done well enough for it to be looked over. I love that he stays true to himself and that nobody really forces him to change.
5:14-5:22, Ever notice how he wipes/rubs away the part of his arm that Moomin touched? I can relate because I absolutely HATE it when people touch me, and the feeling just lingers on my body and sometimes I do feel the need to just wipe it away.
the scene where they're looking at the forest and everything gets sorted makes me so happy !!!! that's exactly how i see things and i don't think i've ever seen it shown so simply i love it omg
My best friend growing up was autistic so I had to learn pretty quickly how to handle that. To see really good representation of neirodiversity in children's entertainment is beyond incredible.
Same here, there's some overlap with my own autism and his of course but seeing how asd and how his specifically was represented and percieved by other characters here in general was really lovely
What I enjoy the most in this show is that it has very different kinds of personalities sharing their perspectives and are still kind to each other. It’s like some sort of utopia ❤️
Oh man! Snork feeling the sensory overload by the party is relatable enough on its own, but his uneasiness around balloons really hit home for me. I’ve always felt very uncomfortable around balloons for as long as I remember (I was fine with foil ones though) for the same reasons and they really put me on edge as I’m always anticipating them popping. I used to always cover my ears at parties the whole time because of it until they all popped or were removed. Recently I’ve managed to overcome that to an extent, but I do find myself flinching when I see people handling them, especially little kids squeezing them. Even popping them by myself would be tense for me so good on Snork for that one.
I find it awesome that snork has autism. There’s not much representation of it in TV shows. I wonder if snork has Aspergers. My grandpa has Aspergers and at first, it was hard to talk to him about my problems but I know he always tried his best and he’s a great teacher about life in general. He’s helped a lot.
it makes me so happy that snork, as an autistic character, gets annoyed and even angry with the others sometimes. ive seen too many autistic characters who’s range of emotions are portrayed as insultingly childish, sometimes literally only being “bubbly and happy” at all times, which is infuriating (we show emotion differently, but that doesnt mean we dont feel all the same emotions as everyone else!) and i LOVE how snork gets to stand up for himself! how he feels is validated! so many times autistic characters (heck, even autistic people in real life!) are expected to “learn” and change who they are to get along better with others, so i deeply appreciate moominvalley for spinning that idea on its head :)
I love that while no one else can touch him for more time than or in a different way then what is necessary, Snork doesn't seem to mind Snorkmaiden touching him - though in that hug she gave him I did notice that he shut his eyes in a flinchy way and she let go immediately after. My own autistic character likes hugs from family as long as they warn him first, and can be a real cuddle bug with them, but it is just that: exclusive to his family members.
I’ve never watched Moomin so when I saw this video I first thought, “There fandom goes again assigning neurodivergent labels on fictional characters,” but then I watched it and yeah. Snork has Autism.
Also autistic but I agree. I think it comes down to - at a party you're expected to interact with people or even be the centre of attention while at a concert the attention is entirely on someone else and people tend to not interact with the people next to them much. At a party having to contend with multiple relationships/conversations in itself can be overwhelming not even counting all the lighting and stuff around to effect your senses. At a concert it's really just sound, sight and maybe lighting so it's a lot easier. At least thats how it works for me.
@@rabbitguts2518 My best friend is most probably on the spectrum (her psychiatrist mentioned it but since my best friend had to move soon after they never had time to do any proper diagnosis) and she can barely function in a social setting, like a party, but she loves concerts and festivals. I have ADHD and I hate concerts but can sort of handle parties. I'm alright with interaction, even with strangers if I have to, but all the intense, loud, obnoxious stimuli of a concert? Instant meltdown. I went once and left scarred after 10 minutes. But I really think it's individual as well. I know autistic people who, like me, would never ever go to a concert for the same reasons, while some absolutely love it. Just do what makes you feel comfortable. ❤
Concerts are just less personal. You don't have to talk to a ton of people, you can just be invisible in the crowd. People understand if you need to take a minute in a quiet area and no one is really expecting you to be on your best behavior.
I was just thinking about how music isn’t a problem for me if I’m the one who decided to turn it on, but I get agitated if someone else decides to play music or spontaneously start to sing when in my vicinity. I think it might be some kind of ‘loss of control of my surroundings’ thing, but it also negatively impacts my sense of self-worth because it means that I’m compelled to be an unfair jerk to the people around me.
Though I am also on the spectrum, my case is not very accurate to Snork’s, and that’s ok, everyone is a bit different. I understood the balloon scene, but I didn’t really feel myself in it. I would just leave and refuse to come back in. Plus, I tend to often sugarcoat my honesty instead of just bluntly saying what comes to mind, mainly because I don’t want to accidentally offend anyone, and I love how he tries to let people know that he doesn’t mean his honesty to be an insult later on. He may be a little stereotypical being an inventor and speaking in an overly formal manner, but he is definitely a good representation that is actually respectful and respected by the other characters. We don’t get enough of those. (I love the sunset scene from how it looks and sounds different from Snork’s POV, being more vibrant and louder than Moomin’s POV. It really shows that we see the same things, just a little differently.)
This is absolutely fantastic! They showed it so well, oh dear - I teared up haha, kids deserve this kind of representation and the fact that they explain it is amazing! Snork talking about how he sees the world was great! Man, now I love this show even more
the way snork maiden handled the party was very good, i think i do not have autism so i cannot say much on the matter, but she brought him because it was gonna be a quiet thing and that moomin had promised, and she checked if he was okay when he had a sensory overload, which was very nice of her
Awww omg the ending where snork holds paws with their new friend is so cute. I’m wierd and like I enjoy physical affection a lot with people that I know but I will flinch and get mega uncomfortable if I don’t know you well enough. I dunno I’m wierd
as someone who also has autism(and adhd) i relate to snorks sensory overload, lack of eye contact, and taking phrases too literally. but it makes me so happy we are getting this kind of autistic representation in media!! i hope to see more :3
As someone with autism, the ballon speech hit very close to home since I've always hated (yet loved) balloons because I never knew when they'd pop. The sensory overload scene hit me in the feels because I've felt that before. Heck, today i froze up during piano class because everything felt loud and I felt very exhausted and I felt like people were going to pick on me for freezing up.
This is the only exposure to this show I have ever had but I can already tell it's great. So glad to finally see a good repusentation of autism in media.
Honestly thanks to edits like this. I have been wandering whats up with me for years, now thanks to youtube i have a clue that i could either have adhd or autism and if it is I will be so happy literally. I now only need to get a change to be diagnosed, unfortunally my country is not the best when it comes to psychology help and ecspesially official diagnoses. Hopefully, I could travel to another place in future and get finally diagnosed there, when the war ends.
I’m going to cry. I’ve been seeing so much ASD rep in cartoons lately. And it’s not even just people assuming things, or making headcannons. It’s just cannon to the show or movie. It makes me so happy 💕
the way I somehow see myself as snork and I am autistic,even tho the being extremely smart bit feels a bit stereotypical,I still understand that smart autistic people exist and its alright,its just sometimes we are always being told to be smart just because of our autism,but overall his character is very well written!though I am not the very smart kind I often doubt myself
I thought I was the only one who hates balloons. I feel so seen.😭😭 But, I still like hugs, only with people that I trust. Thank you for posting this video!
holy fuck there's no way this was just a coincidence. like he legit gets overstimulated at 1:57 with the party and oh my god the not understanding why people lie about shit and what not bro I get him so much holds him very gently thank you for existing ohmygod
What I truly like about this depiction of Autism is how it’s portrayed, that people with Autism are hardly different from neurotypical individuals, henceforth they should not be ostracized.
Y'know, I've never heard of this show until now. I've only seen good things about it. My younger brother has autism, and this is a shockingly accurate depiction of autism
as an autistic person I LOVE THIS CHarACTER!😄 I also love how supportive his sister is and helps explain to moomintroll how snork felt about the party without treating snork like some party pooper
I'm not on the spectrum but I relate so much to Snork because I share so many of his mannerisms. It's great to see that autistic viewers find him relatable and a good representation!
btw it is canon
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Why do these look like a better backyardagans?
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I'm actually so happy for this-
ITS IS?! IM SO HAPPYYY
Nice
I love the depiction of Snork's sensory overload during the party, it feels so real and is actually something I've been through
Same I relate to Snork and Snufkin the most.
I hate it when balloons randomly pop. Gosh sensory overload sucks.
While I can tolerate balloons rubbing against each other, there is this certain plastic texture that makes me deeply cringe when I hear it rubbing. Worse than chalkboard scratching.
@@574guy The sound is unholy.
I know. It's such a mood.
I love this character so much.
"How do I know what they want me to say?" hit me on a personal level. He wants to be liked for who he actually is, and is content when he isn't as long as he's his own authentic self. I wish I could be more like him.
I feel that too. I think one of the many reasons I love Moominvalley so much is because all the characters are allowed to be their true selves, and even when their friends don’t really understand their differences, they adapt and try to make sure that everyone feels included just as they are in the end.
Even before Snork was (finally !) added to the show, I could empathize on such a deep level with Snufkin. As an autistic introvert who desperately needs a LOT of alone time to recharge and unwind, it can be hard to make loved ones see how much I really do care about them, when I can’t always show it in the ways that seem most meaningful to them. I used to want to please everybody so badly that I’d completely ignore my own needs, until one too many burnouts left me with permanent health problems. Snufkin represents everything I wish I’d had the courage to be when I was younger, and the fundamental part of myself I’ve been learning to accept. He compromises even more than I think I could, but never enough to harm his well-being or to change his nature, which is SO important. And I think there’s real beauty in the way Moomintroll, who is the complete opposite in terms of social needs, learns to meet him halfway, by finding contentment in what his friend CAN give freely.
I’m delighted to also see Snork stay true to himself whether that makes him popular or not, and the others recognize that his more analytical approach to situations doesn’t mean he’s devoid of emotion.
EXACTLY!!! Gosh, not knowing what to say is a big problem for me. I've developed this kind of system where I observe what everyone's saying and then try to mirror it best I can so it's appropriate. Through years of feedback, I can kind of guess what it is I'm supposed to say, but most of the time I'm still clueless when it comes to what I should say/talk about when I'm forced to do small talk with people who don't share my interests.
Snork is such a beautiful character and I positively feel a normal way about him /s
Another thing I would've wanted is for him to develop a friendship with Snufkin, possibly instead of with Misabel, because I have a hc that Snufkin is also on the spectrum and I dunno, I feel they could've bonded over their shared appreciation for solo time and distaste for big social gatherings
I wish all people were. But a mare can dream…
Just smile and nod. Normally works.
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I also noticed that whenever he’s talking to someone you rarely see him make eye contact. He tends to look away a lot with his eyes or his body. I feel that on a personal level, being autistic myself
I also understand his mind changing to wanting a rocket. I start doing things then I procrastinate then start other things
@yuu Meyrin it could be either an autism thing, a trauma thing or just what your body does. We’re all different
I noticed it as well because I do the same thing 😭
Wait this is a symptom of autism! I have autism, and i have struggled with that all my life. I can’t believe i’m just finding this out😭
At some point I’ll see if I have autism, but even if I don’t I do have ADHD and relate to a lot of things.
but i absolutely love the fact that at no point in the show is snork expected to change and moomintroll is wrong for wanting him to change, that's so poggers
reminds me of something someone once told me:"why try to fix something if it isn't broken" :)
I’m leaving the fandom no fucking way I’m going to be associated with dream stans
@@screechingmoths ok, nobody cares if you leave or no, you're not making any bad changes xd
@@myotix people got different standards for what constitutes as broken
@@pidza_hub7532 yes, but if _you_ don't consider urself broken, and u r fine with the way u r (Snork) then others should not be trying to "fix" u
The way he flinched when he pops the balloons makes me so sad,,, poor thing is in pain when they pop but doesn't wanna have to deal with them popping unexpectedly
:(
that scene in particular was really relatable- i've always hated balloons and would probably react the same way
I’m autistic and scared of balloons popping
actually me... the idea of popping a balloon terrifies me but when I see people being rough with them it's worse
I'm also scared of balloons popping
Started crying at the end, everyone always is confused and rude whenever i say no to a hug, as if i meant it personally. Them apologizing and understanding that that's just not what snork is comfortable with is something i wish i saw more often
People hug where you live? if I hugged someone I would be bullied
I also hate physical contact, it causes me to feel nervous, mad, and confused.
She may not treat Moomin that great but at least she respects and defends her brother🤷🏻♀️
Well to be fair moomin troll pays more attention to snufkin then he does her
@@coffintears5821 yeah
@@coffintears5821 thats snufkins fault for being more lovable 🙄
I think Snorkmaiden represents that ugly side of puberty we all went through. All that insecurity, jealousy and the feeling how we are not good enough as we are. We all have little Snorkmaiden in us and she has important role reminding us how not to behave and not letting your on insecurity to get better of you 🤷♀️
the visual for when we see the party from snork's side is legit so good for people who dont experience sensory overload. everything is too bright, everything is too loud, and its all so much to take in, that your brain just shuts down.
i talk exactly like snork as well. especially like in the forest scene
Yeah that was too accurate. Sometimes, not often, just the lights in the house make me overload. I have to turn off all the lights or go hide in my room to relax
Is it normally quite frequent a thing? I think I have it happen on the rare occasion. Usually when talking to someone. I just suddenly find myself in a panic and can't handle looking the person in the eyes. Like, I'm fine 99% of the time, but out of nowhere, I want to run and hide from it all, even tho I also really want to continue the conversation. Tho maybe it's more of an anxiety problem. But it feels sensory. The last time was recent; my eyes got all weird from whatever annoying wind was blowing in them, and them bam.
That scene is so me in a big airport or most parties.
Yeah, and how the sunset looked brighter and more colorful for him. Great stuff!
My jaw dropped at the balloon monologue. I've always felt the exact same way about balloons and got made fun of my entire life for being afraid around them. It was hard to explain that it wasn't the balloons *themselves* I was afraid of -- I think they're really adorable in concept!!! -- I just knew there were loud noises waiting inside and there was absolutely no way to predict when those loud noises would come out, especially when kids are playing with them. I feel seen lol
I like how Snork is being introduced, based on these clips, and how accepting of his little eccentricities the others all gradually become, instead of the change having to come from him at the detriment of his personality and values. It’s always nice to see an autistic-coded character that doesn’t come across as a blatant caricature or basically just a soulless list of exaggerated traits… He actually seems like a friendly guy in his own way.
Despite being autistic, I personally see more of myself in Snufkin (who might in fact be the fictional character I can identify with the most), but many of these situations with Snork are painfully relatable.
Since Snork is confirmed canonly autistic, he's not coded then. Coding would be hinting the character might be that way.
@@tultsi93 Oh ? I didn’t know the actual term had been used officially. That’s even better !
@@StarlitSwamp Yes. It's heavily established he's autistic. Not only in Instagram but also in the show itself.
As another autistic person, I've always thought that Snufkin is autistic.
In order words. He's Authentic and not a caricature like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory.
the scene when moominmama goes in for a hug and Snork declines it makes my heart so happy and idk why.
Edit: i literally just got my autism diagnosis today 😭 im genuinely so happy this kind of representation exists within moominvalley
It makes me kinda. happy i knew why that scene made you happy before you id haha
Im so happy for you that your diagnosis can help you understand yourself better! 💛
Awww I'm so happy for you. Congratulations! Snork also has the coolest hair lol
Really, if that ain't me
Congrats! 🤗
This reminds me of my dad, who is potentially autistic but never got diagnosed cuz his parents thought that "all this pshychology mumbo-jambo is a sham".
He is the best dad i could've wished for and im glad that i can understand his way of communicating well enough now, to know that he loves me very much 🥰
My husband has autism and we're expecting our first child, comments like this make me happy.
Ya know thats relatable as hell, my dad doesnt believe in this stuff either even my own autism diagnosis. He force me into alot of social situations which constantly left me in alot of stress not wanting to interact with just about anyone even in a school setting. Somehow I am thankfull for this in the end. He wanted me to have a "normal" life and well alot of people including random strangers have become even pleasant to talk to and get along with. Dads are a misunderstood breed going off what I see from alot of other people saying about their parents.
it's always the dads who refuse to admit they're neurodivergent istg
i want to hear more autistic parent stories
Can’t he get checked out now since he’s adult now ?
What I felt really hit about Snork was when he went to a party and was on the verge or already having sensory overload from the loud music (and bright lights!), his comment about never knowing when the balloon's gonna pop and that resulting in anxiety, the way he keeps his paws folded near him as though he has limp wrists, and then the eye contact! I like how he can sustain it for a little while, but then quickly looks away, it's so... nice? Refreshing? Cathartic? To see someone who mirrors a lot of the things I feel/experience
the overstim is REAL
I don’t have autism but I do relate to the sensory overload being neurodivergent myself
I don`t think I`m autistic, but, god, Snork interacting with people is such a mood
. . . Look into autism buddy
SAME fr
HONESTLY
Dude same omfg.
He doesn’t really have a human worldview, he’s more connected to nature
He is a bit of a stereotype (always tells the truth, takes everything literally, has no vocal inflection) but a well done character anyway. Love this guy!
I’m autistic and that’s literally how I am lol.
I understand your point tho, I’m super happy with Snork and I love his character to bits.
A little bit, yeah!
Though out of all stereotypical autistic characters (even if just a little bit).
This is one of the least worst imo
I didn't know being blunt was an autistic stereotype.
Huh, learned something new today
To be fair there are autistic people exactly like this.
@@batwolfy7044 Nah I'd say the worst is the general publics interpretation that autism means down syndrome.
in the 90s anime, pretty much all the characters read as neurodiverse to me, being straight forward, expressing their emotions bluntly and sometimes rudely, not having conversations they werent interested in, having super strong and loyal attachments to people they felt safe around, so im glad snork is keeping that going super strongly and visibly. even in this scene, snork and moomintroll feel like the two opposite kinds of autism.
I wonder if that has to do with the fact that the Moomins were originally written in Swedish. Maybe, in attempting to translate the dialog, they went with the more literal translation which is why they're so direct. As someone who is autistic, IMO them doing literal translations would also be a way of representing neurodivergency, because why add all that unnecessary social conventions when you can be direct with speech. I mean, I understand why social standards when it comes to conversations exist and will participate in them, but the bluntness of the Moomins is nice.
@@Soulraven2735not finnish?
That's just Finnish people are.
Tbh even here, they all have neurodivergent traits. The Moomins are considered an odd bunch
Snufkin needs to recharge alone
Snufkin and Fillyjonk have nothing in common but both hate their routine disturb/unexpected things
(Snufkin breaks down when his peace is disturbed and also struggles with owning new stuff. Fillyjonk... She makes it obvious enough.)
Little My being honest to the point she's perceived as rude
Even the Hemulen habit to collect one specific thing
I know there's also comics where the Moomins tries to follow society's rules and decides it's dumb and give up
Oh and the way Moominpappa is uncomfortable with money too
I'm sure the list keeps going. They all shows some ND traits, and though separately they might not show enough different traits to be diagnosed, each of their personal traits is an HEAVY part of their personality.
So yeah, most of them if not all of them can be read as neurodivergent.
Im autistic myself and this is great i haven’t watched moomin in so long i never even knew this character existed
I like him
Snork was always just distracted nerd but I like this version better
I like this version, the one we got was a chauvinist.
Well he didn’t really have any characterization in the original material beyond being the Snorkmaiden’s brother, and the 90s anime made him an inventor who was obsessed with building a flying ship, which wasn’t relevant to the main characters most of the time.
"But its sunday"
*ITS FRIDAY THO*
its wednesday here
@@ameteuraspirant well, today lol
It's Saturday here!
@@shibumi-tanuki yup
That scene where he's overwhelmed is so relatable because that's exactly how I get when I forget my noise cancelling headphones
Rest in peace Chance Perdomo, you were brilliant as Snork 🕊💔
WHAT? No.... 🥺
My friend sent me this because she loves Moomin and I'm autistic, I am now adopting Snork
Your friend is a k e e p e r
Tbh I was kind of disappointed we never got to see Snufkin and Snork interact. I feel like they have a lot of shared experiences.
Yeah same, hopefully they get to actually meet at some point
Snork is one of my two favorite characters, in the book too. I am glad that they didn't just portray him as an annoying nerd, but made him someone many people can associate themselves with.
What about annoying nerds?
The most unrealistic part is that at that party, snufkin wasn't strategically stood by an exit. Cuz he also doesn't like too much stimulation.
Which makes me wonder why moomin struggles so much with snork. If he's learning to go at snufkins quiet, slow, non peoplely pace
As an autistic person I think it's very much to show how many neurotypical relate to autistic people. NT aren't usually put off much by those that are easy going, albeit non-sociable people but they are put off by those that are abrupt, brutally honest and struggle to show our emotions in a readable way like us ND peeps are(that doesn't mean we don't have them we just down show them as openly). So the fact moomin wasn't put off by snufkin but was by snork is actually pretty relatable.
well, there is a pretty obvious difference between the two, to me snufkin seems to be overstimulated by people and social situations specifically (akin to social anxiety/agoraphobia), while snork is sensitive to sensory input like sounds, lights, colors etc. which, when added up, causes overstim. snufkin is just a bit introverted and non-sociable, while snork, to an NT person, might even appear non-approachable due to being difficult to read, blunt, and "awkward/annoying to talk to" (due to not understanding jokes/sarcasm, being brutally honest, etc.)
to be fair, snufkin also gives ND vibes for me, but in a different way than snork, so it still makes sense that moomin understands snufkin far better than snork (that, and he knows snufkin much better... maybe once he's had the time to get to know snork better, he'll do better too). but that's probably me projecting lmao
@@lunar_proxy Honestly as an autistic person, I think Snufkin is a bit more relatable than Stork. As a child I would've said the opposite, but autism poses different challenges at different lifestages.
@@unenouille430 i totally agree! i relate a lot more to snufkin too, it's different for other people. snork is still relatable but not as much
That sensory overload scene was just so well done. I don’t have autism, but I have ADHD and Anxiety, and it just captured the feeling so perfectly. I could explain it better, but I can’t right now. I just wanted to express that. X3
Same homie
I have both too and it was very relatable!
Some scientists think that ADHD might actually be a common form of ASD due to it frequently occurring in autistic individuals.
So you might be autistic, but just not have the more commonly associated traits of it.
Here after the news of Chance Perdomo’s passing. Rest in peace ❤️😢He did such an amazing job with this character.
It's interesting how Moomintroll's point of view is so different from Snork's. Literally and figuratively. If you look closely at the landscape that both are seeing (7:13 and 7:21), it seems that the colors are different. This could be interpreted as the way an autistic person sees the world compared to a non-autistic person.
This is a masterpiece.
That was so interesting to see!!
It looks like the sun is brighter on the horizon from snork's perspective.
I'm not actually autistic, but I do deal with sensory issues and watching Snork deal with the sensory overload scene hit really close to home. Not only that, but the fact that Moominmama was okay with him disliking hugs was so sweet and I'm happy that kids who watch this will be taught that "not everyone likes hugs, and that okay" early on. I still struggle with trying to get people to understand that they shouldn't take offense when I don't want to hug them, it's simply just something I don't enjoy doing.
I’m the same way! I especially don’t like when people come close to me without telling me their intentions. It’s so nice to have a character to relate to!
2019 Snork is the embodiment of "Why are you booing me; I'm right!" but he'd never say it. Not a problem though since Snorkmaiden will :')
No one ever talks about how they’re shown to literally see the world differently, as shown by the sunsets. That is probably one of my favorite scenes
Moominvalley may have it flaws as an adaptation but SNORK surely isn't one of them such wonderful character it's always nice to see him when he appears in an episode
(That one scene of moomintroll scratching his but with a hammer it's so funny to me JWJSBSJZ)
That's why I love this episode so much: its teaching kids that no, autistic people don't live in asylums, and they're not crazy -they just see the world in a more direct manner.
I haven't been able to get a diagnosis but many people believe me to be autistic. Honestly, every time I see a compilation like this I just think about how accurate they likely are.
Snork is very relatable.
God I’m crying, Snork is presented so well in this series.
I have ASD and I love how blunt and to the point snork is. He's like me in that sense. And the party scene didn't startle me too much but I twitch a lot when I hear a loud or sudden noise. And I can't listen to hard rock or heavy metal. I start to panic a lot so it's nice to see that representation and was done well
2:05 When you think it cant get worse than unforeseen social interaction.... floating small women.
Truly dreadful.
😂 It also could've been worse. If Stinky was there, there's no telling what he would've done. LOL
Not autistic, but the sensory overload and dislike for loud and crowded places, and not liking being touched by people he's not familiar with, hit me real hard. I feel you my man, it's a real struggle to function as a person, when everyone doesn't understand why you don't like or can't do things that everyone else can
I normally don't like snork maiden in the new show sense she seems a bit whiny to me but how shes depicted in these clips with snork is actually rather sweet. You can tell how much she cares about her brother in these! She understands him and knows when something is to much for him or when to tell him to calm down and let others talk
I relate a lot to this character. Yes, admittedly he is a bit of a stereotype but overall I think the character is done well enough for it to be looked over. I love that he stays true to himself and that nobody really forces him to change.
I understand him not liking (surprise) parties
It’s making me cry, just because it’s like looking in a frosted mirror, similar to me, but not the same.
As an autistic person ive always projected on snufkin from this series, but this episode made me cry from joy
As a girl who has siblings who have autism it’s way too relatable and accurate with how Snork is portrayed here
Oh I’ve never seen him do anything before but I always felt a connection with him seeing pictures. Now I know what it is.
"Now, before you say anything.. I wanted to build a rocket and he wouldn't let me" I love this person
5:14-5:22, Ever notice how he wipes/rubs away the part of his arm that Moomin touched?
I can relate because I absolutely HATE it when people touch me, and the feeling just lingers on my body and sometimes I do feel the need to just wipe it away.
The fact that even the official franchise supports it and makes it CANON-
People. We did it. We won.
the scene where they're looking at the forest and everything gets sorted makes me so happy !!!! that's exactly how i see things and i don't think i've ever seen it shown so simply i love it omg
I FELT SO CONNECTED WHEN WITH THE PARTY SURPRISE BEING OVER STIMULATING BUT HOLY MAN I DIDNT EXPECT HIM TO GO STRAIGHT BALOON MURDER MODE
My best friend growing up was autistic so I had to learn pretty quickly how to handle that. To see really good representation of neirodiversity in children's entertainment is beyond incredible.
as an autistic person
snork's autism isn't the same as my autism, but i appricaite it, and i couldn't help but smile watching this :D
Same here, there's some overlap with my own autism and his of course but seeing how asd and how his specifically was represented and percieved by other characters here in general was really lovely
So epic i was autism was real 💔
Same😔💔🥀
me too :'(
same 😢🥀💔
Same ☹️🖤⛓️
What I enjoy the most in this show is that it has very different kinds of personalities sharing their perspectives and are still kind to each other. It’s like some sort of utopia ❤️
Oh man! Snork feeling the sensory overload by the party is relatable enough on its own, but his uneasiness around balloons really hit home for me. I’ve always felt very uncomfortable around balloons for as long as I remember (I was fine with foil ones though) for the same reasons and they really put me on edge as I’m always anticipating them popping. I used to always cover my ears at parties the whole time because of it until they all popped or were removed. Recently I’ve managed to overcome that to an extent, but I do find myself flinching when I see people handling them, especially little kids squeezing them. Even popping them by myself would be tense for me so good on Snork for that one.
I relate to this man on a spiritual level
I find it awesome that snork has autism. There’s not much representation of it in TV shows. I wonder if snork has Aspergers. My grandpa has Aspergers and at first, it was hard to talk to him about my problems but I know he always tried his best and he’s a great teacher about life in general. He’s helped a lot.
Aspergers is a subset of autism nowadays. I think you are right.
As a person with autism, can relate. Not necessarily the taking everything literally, but having no filter really hit me close to home
Yes finally some good representation
it makes me so happy that snork, as an autistic character, gets annoyed and even angry with the others sometimes.
ive seen too many autistic characters who’s range of emotions are portrayed as insultingly childish, sometimes literally only being “bubbly and happy” at all times, which is infuriating (we show emotion differently, but that doesnt mean we dont feel all the same emotions as everyone else!)
and i LOVE how snork gets to stand up for himself! how he feels is validated! so many times autistic characters (heck, even autistic people in real life!) are expected to “learn” and change who they are to get along better with others, so i deeply appreciate moominvalley for spinning that idea on its head :)
I love that while no one else can touch him for more time than or in a different way then what is necessary, Snork doesn't seem to mind Snorkmaiden touching him - though in that hug she gave him I did notice that he shut his eyes in a flinchy way and she let go immediately after.
My own autistic character likes hugs from family as long as they warn him first, and can be a real cuddle bug with them, but it is just that: exclusive to his family members.
I’ve never watched Moomin so when I saw this video I first thought, “There fandom goes again assigning neurodivergent labels on fictional characters,” but then I watched it and yeah. Snork has Autism.
"It's an apple kicker!" Really got me for some reason
I don't watch this show but the sensory overload bit was really good imo. Some people just don't like suprise parties and I agree
I just love how he struggles with eye contact I relate so much to it
It's funny because my autism can handle whole ass concerts but not parties at all. (Maybe it's because music calms me idk)
Also autistic but I agree. I think it comes down to - at a party you're expected to interact with people or even be the centre of attention while at a concert the attention is entirely on someone else and people tend to not interact with the people next to them much. At a party having to contend with multiple relationships/conversations in itself can be overwhelming not even counting all the lighting and stuff around to effect your senses. At a concert it's really just sound, sight and maybe lighting so it's a lot easier. At least thats how it works for me.
@@rabbitguts2518 My best friend is most probably on the spectrum (her psychiatrist mentioned it but since my best friend had to move soon after they never had time to do any proper diagnosis) and she can barely function in a social setting, like a party, but she loves concerts and festivals. I have ADHD and I hate concerts but can sort of handle parties. I'm alright with interaction, even with strangers if I have to, but all the intense, loud, obnoxious stimuli of a concert? Instant meltdown. I went once and left scarred after 10 minutes. But I really think it's individual as well. I know autistic people who, like me, would never ever go to a concert for the same reasons, while some absolutely love it. Just do what makes you feel comfortable. ❤
Parties are more personal, I guess
Concerts are just less personal. You don't have to talk to a ton of people, you can just be invisible in the crowd. People understand if you need to take a minute in a quiet area and no one is really expecting you to be on your best behavior.
I was just thinking about how music isn’t a problem for me if I’m the one who decided to turn it on, but I get agitated if someone else decides to play music or spontaneously start to sing when in my vicinity.
I think it might be some kind of ‘loss of control of my surroundings’ thing, but it also negatively impacts my sense of self-worth because it means that I’m compelled to be an unfair jerk to the people around me.
Though I am also on the spectrum, my case is not very accurate to Snork’s, and that’s ok, everyone is a bit different.
I understood the balloon scene, but I didn’t really feel myself in it. I would just leave and refuse to come back in.
Plus, I tend to often sugarcoat my honesty instead of just bluntly saying what comes to mind, mainly because I don’t want to accidentally offend anyone, and I love how he tries to let people know that he doesn’t mean his honesty to be an insult later on.
He may be a little stereotypical being an inventor and speaking in an overly formal manner, but he is definitely a good representation that is actually respectful and respected by the other characters. We don’t get enough of those.
(I love the sunset scene from how it looks and sounds different from Snork’s POV, being more vibrant and louder than Moomin’s POV. It really shows that we see the same things, just a little differently.)
"awful how? i happen to like my own company."
felt
He even gets overstimulated, snork my beloved
The increase in saturation when stressed is accurate for me ❤
This character is pretty relatable, we were surprised how well written they are, show makers did a fantastic job!
This is absolutely fantastic! They showed it so well, oh dear - I teared up haha, kids deserve this kind of representation and the fact that they explain it is amazing! Snork talking about how he sees the world was great! Man, now I love this show even more
Snork: “How will I know what they will want me to say?”
Me an autistic: “That’s the neat part! You don’t!”
the way snork maiden handled the party was very good, i think
i do not have autism so i cannot say much on the matter,
but she brought him because it was gonna be a quiet thing and that moomin had promised, and she checked if he was okay when he had a sensory overload, which was very nice of her
Awww omg the ending where snork holds paws with their new friend is so cute. I’m wierd and like I enjoy physical affection a lot with people that I know but I will flinch and get mega uncomfortable if I don’t know you well enough. I dunno I’m wierd
I love him :((((
As a person with autism, it's wonderful seeing an autistic character
as someone who also has autism(and adhd) i relate to snorks sensory overload, lack of eye contact, and taking phrases too literally. but it makes me so happy we are getting this kind of autistic representation in media!! i hope to see more :3
As someone with autism, the ballon speech hit very close to home since I've always hated (yet loved) balloons because I never knew when they'd pop. The sensory overload scene hit me in the feels because I've felt that before. Heck, today i froze up during piano class because everything felt loud and I felt very exhausted and I felt like people were going to pick on me for freezing up.
I'm only 30 seconds in and I already feel very attacked. He even looks like me
This is the only exposure to this show I have ever had but I can already tell it's great. So glad to finally see a good repusentation of autism in media.
Snork is officially my new favourite character in this new series.
Honestly thanks to edits like this. I have been wandering whats up with me for years, now thanks to youtube i have a clue that i could either have adhd or autism and if it is I will be so happy literally. I now only need to get a change to be diagnosed, unfortunally my country is not the best when it comes to psychology help and ecspesially official diagnoses. Hopefully, I could travel to another place in future and get finally diagnosed there, when the war ends.
The party scene hit harder than it deserves.
I’m going to cry. I’ve been seeing so much ASD rep in cartoons lately. And it’s not even just people assuming things, or making headcannons. It’s just cannon to the show or movie. It makes me so happy 💕
the way I somehow see myself as snork and I am autistic,even tho the being extremely smart bit feels a bit stereotypical,I still understand that smart autistic people exist and its alright,its just sometimes we are always being told to be smart just because of our autism,but overall his character is very well written!though I am not the very smart kind I often doubt myself
I thought I was the only one who hates balloons. I feel so seen.😭😭
But, I still like hugs, only with people that I trust. Thank you for posting this video!
holy fuck there's no way this was just a coincidence. like he legit gets overstimulated at 1:57 with the party and oh my god the not understanding why people lie about shit and what not bro I get him so much holds him very gently thank you for existing ohmygod
Love the addition of his adjusting his glasses probably being a particular stim of his based on when and how frequently he does it
What I truly like about this depiction of Autism is how it’s portrayed, that people with Autism are hardly different from neurotypical individuals, henceforth they should not be ostracized.
1:59-2:12 when you're trying to listen to a conversation but the ADHD kicks in.
I can't believe I found another character I relate to as much as Snufkin
I knew I hyperfixed on the right show :)
its really sweet how snork learns the value of not just blunt honesty but also empathy, its something i had to also learn and feels very relatable
Haven’t yet watched what’s out of season three but I love Snork from the video comps that people have made of him.
dude as an autistic person these episodes made me sob, I think they portrayed autism wonderfully
man i can´t with his silver bang, i just can´t...
Y'know, I've never heard of this show until now. I've only seen good things about it. My younger brother has autism, and this is a shockingly accurate depiction of autism
as an autistic person I LOVE THIS CHarACTER!😄 I also love how supportive his sister is and helps explain to moomintroll how snork felt about the party without treating snork like some party pooper
I'm not on the spectrum but I relate so much to Snork because I share so many of his mannerisms. It's great to see that autistic viewers find him relatable and a good representation!
I miss the added detail of Snork's glasses being tied around some strings to hang off his ears