I have been "stuck" on my 12 year old Panasonic Plasma, I appreciate the reference to those TVs!! I have bought many many LCD TVs and still comeback to the Plasma TV, that said, my brother just bought the LG Star Wars Special Edition OLED per knowing about it -- due to Digital Trends. Hopefully he will be receiving that Friday, June 24, 2022. Will you be getting that one? If so, it would be great to see a walkthrough.
@@Caleb_Denison I’ll try to do an unboxing video…just the TV and send it to you. 😉 …somehow. I am never going to be on a video really so maybe it’ll be useful?? Love your channel!!
Quite honestly, I hardly notice the blooming on my Samsung QN90a, and wouldn't even know about it unless I looked at UA-cam reviewers. Thank you for your honesty about it.
I recently upgraded my TV for the first time in 7 years. With my old TV, for its entire life I had local dimming off, it was edge lit and the zones turning on and off were hugely noticeable and distracting regardless of the content. Having the occasional darker black wasn’t worth the trade-off for being distracted throughout content by the backlight. With my new TV (Sony X90J), I absolutely love it and it’s one of the best purchases I’ve ever made but the one area where I find myself conflicted is with its local dimming. During content I’m still sensitive to the zones dancing on and off. It’s a huge improvement on my last TV but a distraction is still a distraction. The bloom/halo effect is very noticeable in content and I’ve been turning subtitles off in situations where I’d normally have them on. However the trade-off for darker blacks is much more compelling on this new screen. In scenes where everything goes right this new TV looks amazing and turning local dimming off is a noticeable downgrade. But it’s distracting enough that I’m still considering it. I’m very much on the fence. I tried turning my bias lighting up as this is a suggested fix for blooming, but I found as the room became brighter and my eyes adjusted to a brighter light around the screen, I began to lose contrast in the darkest of details and the TVs peak brightness seemed dimmer to me. It seems that increasing bias lighting undoes some of the image improvements you’d want local dimming on for in the first place. I think overall, while I’m overwhelmingly impressed with the X90J, I am planning on not leaving it as long next time to upgrade again and with my next display, the local dimming/bloom/halo problem is top of my list of priorities. Given that I use my TV most of the day as a PC monitor, burn-in will continue to prohibit me from going with current gen OLEDs. But I’m hoping in 3-5 years we'll see improvements on that front too and I can get a TV that has it all.
Caleb just finished explaining that the improvements for LED are at an end, they are no longer cost effective to make, if you want better image quality you need to get an OLED, they're cheap now, or preferably a QD-OLED, also cheap for the biggest leap in panel tech history, everything you complained about is already solved on them
@@mythoti - My hope is that OLED's will good enough at mitigating burn-in for them to be viable for me in 3-5 years time. Every new generation of OLED seems to bring advances in this area so it could happen. I can dream.
Hi Caleb- Thanks for addressing this issue. The quality and brightness of even mid-tier multi-zone backlit lcd's is really beyond reproach now, unless you're ultra-picky, and oled is the panacea to aspire to as those prices drop. I went straight from a Panny plasma a couple of years ago to a Hisense H9g (at well under $1K). Didn't have the bux for oled at the time, but I'm still impressed with it. You get even more for your money now too!
Samsung Display is abandoning LCDs because they need to see a return on their 11 billion dollar investment in QD-OLED, which means they will sell those panels to whichever company wants to sell them. They have a monopoly with QD-OLED like LG display has with WOLED. More competition in the market will lead to more innovations for future implementations at competing prices.
In late 2019 I got a 65" x950g. The blooming and halo is so noticeable now I am planning on upgrading to an OLED/QD-OLED in the next 18 months and likely going to a 77" size.
You might want to wait for 2023 models from Sony. Hopefully by then, Samsung will be manufacturing 77-inch+ QD-OLED panels for Sony to use in their flagship OLED TV's.
This video made my day! I have been saying this for years. The fact that reviewers have to resort to showing completely black backgrounds with a little white ball on the screen or pause menus to show blooming, really shows just how far the technology has come and their lack of that understanding of it. You can have 1 million local dimming zones and it won't equate to over 8 million pixels. There will still be haloing and slight blooming on those test patterns. When watching real world content, you hardly ever see the effects of blooming. However, ABL has been a problem on Oleds for years but no one goes out of there way to show how distracting it is when watching real world content. You don't need a test pattern to demonstrate how ABL will effect your viewing experience. It is just a limitation of the technology and is the reason I spoke up about it. Does that mean I hate Oleds, no it doesn't, but I know you can't fix Abl with a firmware update. (pun intended) It is just long overdue for these tvs (LCDs) to be reviewed in an unbiased way. You are well on your way to 1 millions subs and it is great to see you use that influence to evolve this space into the reality of things.💯
Thanks for this Video. I own a LG CX and a QN95B and blooming is really no problem on the QN95B. Of course side by side you will discover blooming on the QN95B in rare moments but overall the QN95B delivers a better picture than my LG CX .
Really? I’ve never owned an OLED so I’ve always wondered if I was missing out on the immersion/3d effect. Especially in a dark room watching HD content
@@lonniechamberlain251 The LG CX is already over 2 Years old the QN95B the Top End LCD TV from this Year. Yes the QN95B is better than the LG CX. Probably not better than the G2 ;-)
@@GamingTech-UA-cam I understand that, but in retrospect I meant the infinite contrast of OLED vs the brightness/pop of LED. The only major improvements OLED has made is brightness am I right. The CX was already nearing LG’s final form OLED in the g2
@@lonniechamberlain251 the guy is comparing a brand new LCD tv to an OLED mid-premium range OLED from 2 years ago. Newer high end oleds like G2, S95B, A95k, C2 all smoke any LCD tv for immersion and outright picture quality in a dark room when watching cinema like contet
Honest to God I never noticed any of this until I started watching these kinds of TVs. The only time I even notice it now is when I looking at a dark image with subtitles. Up until recently I’ve alway purchased mid range TVs and it never bothered me. I have a Sony X95J and I don’t notice it at all. It replaced the Vizio 75 inch quantum, but not because of this issue. That Picture was brilliant when the TV actually worked.
I have Vizio quantum x also it’s pretty distracting , and I also just sold my qn90a and it was definitely better the Vizio Q X but it still shows up randomly the blooming and haloing and it can get pretty annoying .
I just don’t see why it matters lol it rarely even shows up and when it does i don’t care lol it goes away after the scene changes but to each it’s own i guess
The main reason more than anything that cause me to love oled over Led is the fact they have no blooming. I hate blooming more than anything. In my man cave of complete and absolute darkness, it's also plenty bright . Keep them videos coming Caleb cause they are always interesting n fun. Ty
I’ve used many high end lcd and they can get pretty distracting , sometimes you won’t see it , other times it shows up and your thinking that scene doesn’t look that difficult you would think why is it blooming or haloing , I think anyone who gets use to a oled then goes back is going to notice it a lot more then someone who’s use to lcd led tvs .
Great info. I bought the first LG Dolbyvision LED tv in 2017 and the blooming was pretty bad (also - when it updated itself to webOS6.0 it started overheating this spring which caused the OS to slow down). 2 weeks ago I bought the latest LG OLED and will never go back to LCD tech. Though I still don't like webOS that much.
Your mistake was buying LCD from LG specifically. They use IPS LCD panels while Samsung, Sony, and Panasonic use VA LCD panels which have better contrast ratio and therefore better picture quality. OLED is King at the moment of course.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Each has it strengths and weaknesses. IPS has better color, better viewing at angles and better refresh rates. VA is better at displaying blacks. However, with local dimming and various settings on IPS..it fixes it mostly.
Thanks for the video, Caleb 👍🏻 Samsung mini-LED LCD TVs will still be produced, just not "regular" LCD screens anymore. Outsourcing going on as well. Added; not only TV's use LCD-based type screens 😉
He is talking about Samsung Display not Samsung Electronics. Samsung display is no longer making LCD panels - regardless of what backlight technology Samsung Electronics uses in lcd tvs on the future.
Blooming is still very much a problem on modern TVs, at least the mid range TVs that most people will buy. It's most noticeable on subtitles and on the TV cursor when you're navigating menus, but also for scenes of outer space, in dark rooms or caves with areas of point light sources etc. Basically any scene where OLED is at its best, LCD blooming is at its worst.
I've had a 2020 65" LG CX OLED. It has awesome contrast as advertised, but in less than 2 years, it developed a thin black vertical line right of center. Fortunately, for the only time in my life, I took out an available insurance plan. I was concerned the organic LEDs would develop problems, and unfortunately, was proven right. The insurance plan agreed to give me a comparable replacement TV. They recommended the LG again, but I passed. I chose the Samsung QN90B instead. While the LG had those "perfect blacks", it never had the vibrancy of my 10-year-old Sharp Aquos - the one with the yellow pixels (Oh my!). Long story (sorry), I've decided that occassional haloing is less important than full time color vibrancy. I really hope the QN90B delivers.
I know it's gotten better, but after having plasma and now OLED, I just can't take the risk of getting a cruddy LCD. I just pitched the LCD I had in the bedroom and replaced it with a 48" C1. No regrets. The blooming isn't really the problem, it's the flashlighlighting and overall uniformity issues, especially on lower end LCDs. This really becomes apparent in a dark room. If I am going to spend the extra cash to get a higher end LCD that minimises this, it makes more sense to go the extra mile and get OLED.
Like most things it's personal. For me, backlight bleed on the edges and halo/blooming is, by far, the most distracting thing that will instantly ruin the picture of a TV as soon as you're not displaying a uniformly-bright scene. But I'm not susceptible to other things that drive people insane such as judder, the rainbow effect (DLP tvs/projectors), etc. etc.
Exactly this. I have an OLED and I can technically see the stutter when the camera pans, and I can see that fact my tv simply doesn’t get as bright as 99% of leds. But personally it doesn’t bother me. Perfect blacks while watching a horror movie at night is so important to me. More important than 4K. More important than HDR even.
That's true. I personally hate the sample and hold motion of OLEDs. I also think they have very mediocre color reproduction. My plasmas and my QN90B have fairly similar looking colors and they look fantastic to me, but my LG CX lacks color brightness and color purity. I don't understand why some other people don't seem to notice this. It's bizarre how much human perception varies.
In 2018 we replaced our plasma TV with a Sony LED. Had my sights set on Z9D but settled on the 940E and never regretted it - except for subtitled content. Fast forward to 2022 and I'm not confident in anything but A90J - but I'm even more afraid of banding than I am of DSE / blooming on a current X90-95K model. I'm happy to keep a TV for 5+ years but at this point I'm just going to hold out as long as I can :(
I've got my fingers crossed that the new TCL C935 will be the be all/end all of LCD TV's with its 4th gen round MiniLED's and 1080 zones on the 65in, and 1920 zones on the 75in. As little blooming as possible(or at least better controlled), while pushing 2000nits. And it has all the HDR formats under the sun from basic HDR10 to HDR10+, HGiG and HLG, and Dolby Vision IQ so nothing is left out and you're getting the intended experience. And hopefully with Game Mode they go the same direction as Sony where if you can't have VRR and Full Local Dimming on at the same time, you can pick one or the other per your preference. Unlike Samsung who force the two to work together, but they gimp the Local Dimming to claw back processing headroom and reduce latency.
I have their original 65 825 mini led set and I don't notice blooming on it so my bet is the new TCL will look great. I'm going to get the Sony Z9K because I came into decent toy money recently. Going with the 75 because can't bring myself to spend what Sony wants for the 85 and it's not out yet. I think just try not to pixel peek them looking for issues. If it's bad enough to make you crazy swap it out for another one or send it back for a refund. Crossing my fingers the Sony looks bigger and better than the set I have now and the few comments and reviews are promising. Cameras tend to pick up blooming you don't really notice in person depending on the iso settings used so best to see it in person.
I think it would have been useful to point out how bias lighting can drastically reduce the impact of blooming. And reduce eye strain while boosting perceived contrast and color depth. For very little money as well!
I haven’t purchased a new TV in nearly a decade, and I kind of feel like I should hold out just a little bit longer for some of this stuff to be refined before purchasing what I hope/expect might be my final TV purchase.
Problem comes back in GAMING MODE when input lag has to be lowest possible; The backlighting can't be controlled well and you are back to seeing tons of blooming/halo effect ;) OLED still does this perfectly and are also much faster in general. You see smearing on a LCD panel because it's kinda slow. Also, still only high-end models have FALD or Mini LED because it's so expensive that OLED from last year is cheaper and better. I think LCD is moving down to low end mid-tier only soon, because WOLED and QD-OLED will rule supreme in the high-end market...
I think blooming is over blown. When I watch content I rarely if at all see blooming or light bleeding or haloing or whatever you want to call it. The TV's have gotten much better with blooming control and almost as good as OLED. But now adays it seems like everyone wants super bright TV's so blooming may not be able to be avoided totally. I guess it's a matter of choice no blooming with OLED or a little blooming with LED TV's but have super bright displays.
Most of the reviewers are just hobbyists. They'll pause the screen on a still picture and analyze every aspect. Most of the time real world viewing doesn't even come into play. OLEDs aren't perfect either they also have their issues.
@@cryengine_x any ways I upgraded from The C1 instantly Went to a best buy took a few videos for a friend b4 a got mine Watch the 2nd video from top It shows every TV in best buy And s95 Blowing them all away Including the 90b what ever Samsung best TV last year Go to store and look
I get the point. That's why for me, LCD TV are dead. I am able to see the blooming even in a bright room. Tested on 4 TV: 75QN95A, 55X93J, 55Q80A and 75X93J.
For people who watch normal television, OLED is definitely the way to go. Burn-in is only a concern when playing video games with a HUD, or using a computer
it's almost like we need something that cuts the bloom as much as possible and a secondary diffusion layer that covers a wider space that isn't as bright beneath it. but it would need a back glass rather than a diffusion layer, or as proven much simpler 2 lcd screens.
Sorry to say but I still have the Sony Z9D I bought the LG 65 c2 because I thought it's time for a replacement... and I am still amazed how good the Z9D is...even today no blooming whatsoever...
I hate it! I had an old LG OLED B7 which I guess got hit with something and developed a baseball sized spot in the middle. I ended up getting a 85" Sony LCD to replace it because I wanted a bigger TV and the larger OLEDs were too expensive. While I don't notice anything during the day, I prefer to watch movies or TV shows at night and the bloom drives me crazy. Especially if I'm watching anything with my wife who prefers the subtitles on. Can't wait to go back to OLED
HI Caleb Great video brother, and great explanation. I have a awesome LG G1 65 inch so i have no issues with blooming or halo. Today is not nearly as bad for LEDs people are just so picky on that issue. Also many people dont even care about blooming or even realize what the heck in going on in the picture. I love my pure blacks and insane contrast. OLED is def the future for TVs hands down. Keep up the great vids brother. May the force be with you
- Excellent presentation. Forgive me for my confusion as in a ISF course, blooming was defined as a condition of over saturated white levels (not set properly to 235 ire). Halo was a condition were the sharpness set was set to high. Would not the issue that you are describing be best defined as "Bleeding"? I personally wish that industry would adhere to a standardized terminology. As we both can agree upon, each form of technology has it's own Pros & Cons.
Thanks, Caleb, for your commentary on the status of LCD TV technology. I'm one of those people who's still enjoying the picture quality of my plasma TV and I know that when it comes time to buy a replacement, I will almost certainly be investing in a QD-OLED TV, not an LCD. Having said that, I was enthusiastic about the introduction of "Dual Cell" LCD panels by Hisense. I'm inclined to think that Dual Cell technology could potentially take LCD TVs to the next level of refinement. Unfortunately (as you pointed out in your review of the Hisense U9DG) Hisense did not implement this innovation as well as could be done. Imagine, though, what a company like Sony might be able to achieve by using Dual Cell panels in their flagship LCD TVs.
It's a shame that the Hisense U9DG Dual Cell LCD TV is now discontinued. Dual layer LED LCD > Mini LED LCD. I wish Sony made consumer-grade Dual layer LED LCD flagship TV's aside from their AMAZING OLED TV's.
What they need to do is ditch LCD technology altogether they suck even worse than CRT. Invest in better technologies like SED or Laser Phosphor Display for their TV would be a better move. Thanks god for OLED at this moment or I’ll be stuck with a horrible grayish black and these blooming from local dimming oh Motion Blur is so bad too.
I take issue with the idea of insurmountable 'complication' with increasing LED dimming zones. Why? Because the LED backlight is just an EXTREMELY low resolution display being driven given higher resolution content. I work with graphics, and these types of down sampling calculations are not hard to do -- like, at all -- and even low-end smartphone SoCs are more than equal to the task of driving these from a computation and bandwidth perspective. 10K LEDs may sound like a lot, but this is only 100x100 pixels; far lower than would be acceptable for playing Doom in 1993. I intuit that increasing the number of LEDs is more of a manufacturing cost problem, than a technical problem.
I was wondering why you never reviewed projectors, and now I know why :) I was lured in by the BIG picture, they do look great when projecting scenes of outside / sunny / sports ... but as soon as you go into a cave, the picture is just horrible....You can't project black... and at that moment I wish I was watching my friends OLED instead to see all the detail I'm missing :)
My qn90a is great. I only notice blooming in test patterns, occasionally subtitles, and some starry scenes. I'd say 90% of the time it looks as good or better than my CX.
Depends on the TV if you have like a Sony 900 L LED full array, TV its gonna look amazing. The cheaper LEDs like edgelit have issues with blooming. This really ultimately depends on the TV just like how not all OLED TVs look good.
I think that's shortsighted. There's no reason a technology like dual-cell couldn't drastically improve backlight control even further. Sure, the first versions had issues, but nothing that couldn't be overcome. Of course that only makes sense as long as it's cheaper than future evolutions of OLED.
Because of my hearing impairment, I rely on closed captions exclusively when watching programs. I'd appreciate some thoughts on 1) which tech (OLED or QLED) would work better and 2) ways to minimize blooming if it occurs.
OLED wins hands down. Every LED LCD or Mini LED LCD TV will have some amount of blooming no matter what because it doesn't have 1 local dimming zone per pixel on the display. 16:9 4K TV's have 3840 x 2160 resolution which = 8,294,400 pixels. Those 8 million+ pixels can individually turn on and off which means zero blooming. LCD TV's nowadays AT BEST have MAYBE a few hundred local dimming zones which is a far cry from 8,294,400 pixels. The now-discontinued Hisense U9DG Dual Cell LCD TV is the closest thing to OLED in terms of contrast ratio because it has over 2 million local dimming zones (which is STILL not close to the 8,294,400 pixels that 4K has). Any LCD TV with local dimming will have blooming no matter what. Go with OLED if you like using subtitles. P.s. QLED is just a marketing term. It's STILL LCD underneath but with quantum dots included for increased color volume. Anything LCD uses a backlight ni matter what. Black will always look gray on LCD vs black ACTUALLY looking black on an OLED TV.
Blooming was never a problem for me…because i didn’t know what it was. Then I learned what blooming was and I couldn’t unsee it now matter how much I tried not to lol
Mini LED will eventually be the best option over oled. Because the brightness is a clear advantage for the HDR colors, and the blacks will be significantly better over time. With little risk of burn in. Sorry, I'm not spending 2,000+ on a oled to have to replace it in a year in a half. OLED sacrifices detail and color for blacks. With a great risk of uselessness after 3/4ths less the life span of a LED. Blooming will be less and less as the mini tech advances also. My parents still have my first 4k QLED LG after 5 years. Where Ik people who've been through 2 or 3 oled's in that time.
Great video we have sky glass 55inch since launch date so about 13 months old, I’ve noticed a dark like down the middle of the screen recently so called sky video link they noticed the same issue plus colour variation from left to right, it’s being replaced Sunday with new so I’m going to try the test on my new glass tv
Blooming / Halo matters in a picture and if the contrast is low or mid its even worse. Pretty much the picture will look milky or washed out a bit as the blooming ties into the image which colors will look kinda off and so will the image as a whole Which is why you want very little to no blooming at all. It can make or break the image OLED / Mini LED with a good amount of dimming zones over edge lit any day.. I had a few EDGE lit monitors and they all look off and in my eyes they looked washed out.
Caleb I can’t wait for a Sony A80K review. Hopefully you have something planned soon. I’ve seen the tv show up at my local Best Buy and dying to get a review from you.
??question for the pros?? ...so which 65" tvs UNDER 600.00 ARE BEST For least blooming?? The sales guy said the Samsung Crystals 7000/8000 are great?? How are those? Thanks guys!
Absolutely spot. Having been through the KRP500A phase, viewing in a pitch black room etc I now view TV in normal conditions and also realised blooming is a non issue for me. Brightness is far more important in the real world as I don't watch credits and if I were to find myself looking for blooming, the content is obviously not very good. :-) Everyone just needs to decide for themselves what matters, me I'm over test patterns, etc.
Thanks for discussing this Caleb, I think blooming now is very minimal especially for those who don't sit in a blacked out room watching the black bars instead of the movie lol. I am ok with the newer LED fald tvs and OLED TV's have their draw backs as well. Btw, When taking a late night walk I glanced up at the street light and saw blooming against the black sky, so which tech is more realistic?😉
Thanks for video and info. I didn't know things were like that when buying tvs. If all that you said in the video is true then I'm gonna have to think Really on what I can do with or without when it finally comes down to buying a TV.
5:41 I'd still rather choose blooming subtitles over letterbox bars than what HBO Max does, which is place the subtitles on the movie itself. Like what's the point of letterbox bars if the subtitles still go over the movie?
Hey. Great video! I have a question. Will blooming/halo be worse on an 8k display since it the pixels are closer together so light could shine through more of them? I have no intention of buying 8k anything anytime soon but just curious.
I disagree with this Caleb. While I agree that many reputable LED/LCD TV’s TV’s, come without Edge lit displays and are equipped with some kind of local dimming, that as someone who works in the retailer, the large majority of TV’s that are being sold aren’t the medium to high end TV sets, it’s the low range to even budget sets that are still the most popular, which don’t come with the latest and greatest tech or the best panels, let alone some kind of local dimming or blooming control. Also people aren’t buying TCL 6 series or Hisense as a budget set, they buy a $500 Samsung Crystal LED, or even a Q60, TV’s without local dimming and half the time, are still edge lit displays. Let’s not even go into the monitor category, where the monitors that can’t even display @ 100 nits sell 10x more than the ones that are VESADisplay HDR1000 rated. The large majority of people that buy a new TV with their next gen console, don’t even get a TV with HDMI 2.1. You may think it’s a non issue, but your assuming that most people nowadays have $800 or more to spend on the newest TV when most people are still spending half that on their TV. Not everyone has the money the buy the mid range - high end sets, hell people still ask me when they’ll be able to buy a $500 OLED with HDMI 2.1.
Looking to replace our LG B7 OLED that has pretty bad burn-in. This is good information that eases my mind a bit about buying a non-OLED tv...as I'll never have another OLED.
@@digitaltrends The LG B7 was purchased Nov 2017. Since then, there's the notorious 25% window issue that started at less than 2 years and now the Netflix logo won't go away in the lower right of the screen and the UA-cam logo and arrow are present in the upper right of the screen. I replaced a Pioneer Kuro with this set hoping I'd get 10 years out of it too...but that's not going to happen.
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@@digitaltrends I had a B7 also and had very similar issues. I tried Samsung Q85a but did not like itt. My next TV Will be LG QNED91.
I updated from a samsung Au8000 to a hisense u8h. The u8g hisense is great for gaming,but for movies with judder and smoothing reduction turned all the way up I still see a judder. I love the soap opera effect. Can you recommend a tv that I can upgrade that will show movies with the most soap opera effect.....
Love the punchy power of LCD LED TVs, their just a standout and jump off the wall sort of speak, which is why going into a store your immediately wowed drawn to LED TVs at first glance especially if its sitting next to an Oled. It's when you get them home under the lights of your home instead of the multi bright lights of a store you began to notice the annoyances and distracting flaws. Me I watch a lot of fast action content, movies sports and LCD LED TVs just do not work for me not just because of blooming or the halo effect but because of ghosting which bothers my eyes. The instant response time of Oled pixels is perfect for that type of content and of course the contrast is great.
I HATE blooming lol, same with halo effect, LGs nanocells look the worst, at least the one I got in 2019 with HDMI 2.1 support. I went straight to OLED after seeing how horrendous it is. My thoughts overall, if you just get a decent QLED or high end LCD that isn’t LG then it’s not a huge issue.
It was because of the IPS panel, and EdgeLED or FALD backlight with low number of zones (since you indicated LG nanocell from that year). Even Samsung today has similar (but less pronounced) effect on its ADS(IPS) models like Q80A, QN85A, QN90A (EU)... also, LG has similar MiniLED models today called QNED nanocell... MiniLED helps alot today but it won't remove the effect on any LED TV, even with VA panels.
What about MicroLED? I thought that this technology would indeed be a vast improvement over conventional and MiniLED for blooming, and be brighter and without the burn-in risks of OLED.
@@Lead_Foot well of course not anytime soon, but Caleb is talking like LED will ALWAYS have this blooming/brightness trade-off, that LED has peaked. If MicroLED costs ever come down enough doesn’t that trade-off go away?
At 6 minutes in you describe the exact experience I am feeling after getting the 8k qn700b. Debating returning it as the blooming is that bad. I am hoping there is a setting, but honestly thinking of returning it and just paying a bit more for OLED. I tried the U8H and it arrived with a broken screen so had to return that one. I didn't want to buy the same brand after that and thought I couldn't go wrong with the samsung but pretty disappointed so far.
It matters if it’s bad like the 90b update breaking the picture quality but normal use blooming doesn’t bother much. On the other hand gaming on led with vrr on does suck with blooming when gaming in caves and etc
Does it ever get worse over time? Because I had a TV that was fine and then after a few years and...I noticed I white glow on my edge lit TV. It was dying... No seriously. A year after after the extreme edge blooming started the TV died for good.
I have a 75 inch lg 85 series nanocell and it has bad blooming in my darker bedroom. No setting really gets rid of it. Bought a 77 inch C2 to replace it... Psyched!
I have a Sony QD-OLED for my main TV, Aero 4K OLED latop, but LCD for PC. Was using the LG nanocell for PC but just upgrade to Samsung QN90B Neo mini led. Way way better. Now I only see blooming if I look for it, worth the tiny imperfection for a bulletproof PC screen.
As an owner of an OLED, LED and Panny Plasma TV, I can see a difference between all of them. When comparing LED to either OLED or Plasma, it becomes obvious how much better plasma and OLED are. It's like watching a rich oil painting vs a flat drawing. LED/LCD only looks good when not comparing it better technologies.
thats cuz you compared it to a edge lit LCD. Micro LED tv's now with a lot of dimming zones, like the sony 90 series or TCL QM8 are almost as good as any oled on black levels, but they're waaaaaaaaaay brighter.
@@rob21 even worse yet... micro led QLED lcd's are on par with oleds regarding color reproduction/depth. The only real advantage that currently oleds have is black levels, and with local dimming lcd's are really close now. I have both a Oled (LG c3) and a high-ish end qled lcd tv (hisense u8k) and tbh the image quality extremely close between both
Samsung just released a Micro-LED TV (MNA110MS1A) available at Best Buy on March 21, 2023. Every pixel is its own light source, brighter than any OLED tv on the market, and no fear of burn-in. At a 110" screen, it's $150,000 a pop. Maybe in 5 years, the tech will be affordable enough to the point Mini-LEDs are now. If Mirco-LED becomes competitive in price with OLED and OLED cannot match the brightness of Micro, OLED will end up going the way of plasma.
Well, if you have a VA panel, you're probably never looking at it on axis. 😀 The IPS/VA thing is so ironic when you consider that the most expensive per inch panels are IPS computer monitors. Even 77 inch OLEDs are practically free compared to some 34 inch IPS monitors when you adjust per square inch.
I still dd a 55" LG plasma in my living room and use a 42" Samsung in my bedroom and I prefer my plasma for a few reasons but blooming isn't one of them. The newer Samsung has a brighter picture but the plasma has better color, when OLED comes down in price the plasma will come down.
2:10 Most edge lit monitors and TVs just turn on the entire backlight. They can't even dim at all. It's a bad example video because the black on the left and right should be black if those LEDs go off like in the left image. Also, the screen can still be bright enough to show Earth bright enough using edge lit. It's just that the higher the brightness is, the grayer the black is, so it can't reach 1000 nits without the black level becoming absolutely horrible. Although a VA screen with 1000 nits still has better contrast than an IPS screen with 300 nits most likely. Just with ugly black smear.
Hey everyone! Been working on some projects and am getting back to TV reviews. QN900B coming soon! What do YOU want to see next?
I have been "stuck" on my 12 year old Panasonic Plasma, I appreciate the reference to those TVs!! I have bought many many LCD TVs and still comeback to the Plasma TV, that said, my brother just bought the LG Star Wars Special Edition OLED per knowing about it -- due to Digital Trends. Hopefully he will be receiving that Friday, June 24, 2022. Will you be getting that one? If so, it would be great to see a walkthrough.
@@aldizzle Super limited edition so I doubt I’ll be able to get my hands on one. Won’t stop me from asking, though!
@@Caleb_Denison I’ll try to do an unboxing video…just the TV and send it to you. 😉 …somehow. I am never going to be on a video really so maybe it’ll be useful?? Love your channel!!
Sonys QD OLED would be great)
Would like to see a review of the Sony a80k and see if its any better than last year’s a80j
Quite honestly, I hardly notice the blooming on my Samsung QN90a, and wouldn't even know about it unless I looked at UA-cam reviewers. Thank you for your honesty about it.
Bro idk why my eyes can’t see this I try but I can’t see I have Lg c2 Oled and
Sony LCD
😂 good for me I guess I’m to focus on what happening and not notice little things with my surround sound and action on screen
I recently upgraded my TV for the first time in 7 years. With my old TV, for its entire life I had local dimming off, it was edge lit and the zones turning on and off were hugely noticeable and distracting regardless of the content. Having the occasional darker black wasn’t worth the trade-off for being distracted throughout content by the backlight.
With my new TV (Sony X90J), I absolutely love it and it’s one of the best purchases I’ve ever made but the one area where I find myself conflicted is with its local dimming. During content I’m still sensitive to the zones dancing on and off. It’s a huge improvement on my last TV but a distraction is still a distraction.
The bloom/halo effect is very noticeable in content and I’ve been turning subtitles off in situations where I’d normally have them on. However the trade-off for darker blacks is much more compelling on this new screen. In scenes where everything goes right this new TV looks amazing and turning local dimming off is a noticeable downgrade. But it’s distracting enough that I’m still considering it. I’m very much on the fence.
I tried turning my bias lighting up as this is a suggested fix for blooming, but I found as the room became brighter and my eyes adjusted to a brighter light around the screen, I began to lose contrast in the darkest of details and the TVs peak brightness seemed dimmer to me. It seems that increasing bias lighting undoes some of the image improvements you’d want local dimming on for in the first place.
I think overall, while I’m overwhelmingly impressed with the X90J, I am planning on not leaving it as long next time to upgrade again and with my next display, the local dimming/bloom/halo problem is top of my list of priorities. Given that I use my TV most of the day as a PC monitor, burn-in will continue to prohibit me from going with current gen OLEDs. But I’m hoping in 3-5 years we'll see improvements on that front too and I can get a TV that has it all.
Good luck with that lmao probly ganna have to wait like 20 years for micro led.
I've just returned my x90J for the A80J as I was noticing blooming and DSE and it was too distracting for me personally
X90J ✌️
Caleb just finished explaining that the improvements for LED are at an end, they are no longer cost effective to make, if you want better image quality you need to get an OLED, they're cheap now, or preferably a QD-OLED, also cheap for the biggest leap in panel tech history, everything you complained about is already solved on them
@@mythoti - My hope is that OLED's will good enough at mitigating burn-in for them to be viable for me in 3-5 years time. Every new generation of OLED seems to bring advances in this area so it could happen. I can dream.
Hi Caleb- Thanks for addressing this issue. The quality and brightness of even mid-tier multi-zone backlit lcd's is really beyond reproach now, unless you're ultra-picky, and oled is the panacea to aspire to as those prices drop. I went straight from a Panny plasma a couple of years ago to a Hisense H9g (at well under $1K). Didn't have the bux for oled at the time, but I'm still impressed with it. You get even more for your money now too!
Samsung Display is abandoning LCDs because they need to see a return on their 11 billion dollar investment in QD-OLED, which means they will sell those panels to whichever company wants to sell them. They have a monopoly with QD-OLED like LG display has with WOLED. More competition in the market will lead to more innovations for future implementations at competing prices.
In late 2019 I got a 65" x950g. The blooming and halo is so noticeable now I am planning on upgrading to an OLED/QD-OLED in the next 18 months and likely going to a 77" size.
You might want to wait for 2023 models from Sony. Hopefully by then, Samsung will be manufacturing 77-inch+ QD-OLED panels for Sony to use in their flagship OLED TV's.
No it's not only with 4K Dolby Vision it's noticeable.
This video made my day! I have been saying this for years. The fact that reviewers have to resort to showing completely black backgrounds with a little white ball on the screen or pause menus to show blooming, really shows just how far the technology has come and their lack of that understanding of it. You can have 1 million local dimming zones and it won't equate to over 8 million pixels. There will still be haloing and slight blooming on those test patterns. When watching real world content, you hardly ever see the effects of blooming. However, ABL has been a problem on Oleds for years but no one goes out of there way to show how distracting it is when watching real world content. You don't need a test pattern to demonstrate how ABL will effect your viewing experience. It is just a limitation of the technology and is the reason I spoke up about it. Does that mean I hate Oleds, no it doesn't, but I know you can't fix Abl with a firmware update. (pun intended) It is just long overdue for these tvs (LCDs) to be reviewed in an unbiased way. You are well on your way to 1 millions subs and it is great to see you use that influence to evolve this space into the reality of things.💯
Thanks for this Video. I own a LG CX and a QN95B and blooming is really no problem on the QN95B. Of course side by side you will discover blooming on the QN95B in rare moments but overall the QN95B delivers a better picture than my LG CX .
Really? I’ve never owned an OLED so I’ve always wondered if I was missing out on the immersion/3d effect. Especially in a dark room watching HD content
@@lonniechamberlain251 The LG CX is already over 2 Years old the QN95B the Top End LCD TV from this Year. Yes the QN95B is better than the LG CX. Probably not better than the G2 ;-)
Blooming is not a problem but inconsistent saturation is. That was my experience with the Qn90b. I hope the the qn95b doesn’t have this issue.
@@GamingTech-UA-cam I understand that, but in retrospect I meant the infinite contrast of OLED vs the brightness/pop of LED. The only major improvements OLED has made is brightness am I right. The CX was already nearing LG’s final form OLED in the g2
@@lonniechamberlain251 the guy is comparing a brand new LCD tv to an OLED mid-premium range OLED from 2 years ago.
Newer high end oleds like G2, S95B, A95k, C2 all smoke any LCD tv for immersion and outright picture quality in a dark room when watching cinema like contet
Honest to God I never noticed any of this until I started watching these kinds of TVs. The only time I even notice it now is when I looking at a dark image with subtitles. Up until recently I’ve alway purchased mid range TVs and it never bothered me. I have a Sony X95J and I don’t notice it at all. It replaced the Vizio 75 inch quantum, but not because of this issue. That Picture was brilliant when the TV actually worked.
Blooming is extremely distracting, at least to me. I had it on my Vizio Quantum X. Other people said it wasn't a huge deal to them.
I have Vizio quantum x also it’s pretty distracting , and I also just sold my qn90a and it was definitely better the Vizio Q X but it still shows up randomly the blooming and haloing and it can get pretty annoying .
I just don’t see why it matters lol it rarely even shows up and when it does i don’t care lol it goes away after the scene changes but to each it’s own i guess
The main reason more than anything that cause me to love oled over Led is the fact they have no blooming. I hate blooming more than anything. In my man cave of complete and absolute darkness, it's also plenty bright .
Keep them videos coming Caleb cause they are always interesting n fun. Ty
I’ve used many high end lcd and they can get pretty distracting , sometimes you won’t see it , other times it shows up and your thinking that scene doesn’t look that difficult you would think why is it blooming or haloing , I think anyone who gets use to a oled then goes back is going to notice it a lot more then someone who’s use to lcd led tvs .
Hey bro,do u think the lg uhd 2022 or lg nanocell 2022,which should i get...im scared the nanocell has bad blooming
Great info. I bought the first LG Dolbyvision LED tv in 2017 and the blooming was pretty bad (also - when it updated itself to webOS6.0 it started overheating this spring which caused the OS to slow down). 2 weeks ago I bought the latest LG OLED and will never go back to LCD tech. Though I still don't like webOS that much.
Your mistake was buying LCD from LG specifically. They use IPS LCD panels while Samsung, Sony, and Panasonic use VA LCD panels which have better contrast ratio and therefore better picture quality.
OLED is King at the moment of course.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Each has it strengths and weaknesses. IPS has better color, better viewing at angles and better refresh rates. VA is better at displaying blacks. However, with local dimming and various settings on IPS..it fixes it mostly.
Thanks for the video, Caleb 👍🏻
Samsung mini-LED LCD TVs will still be produced, just not "regular" LCD screens anymore.
Outsourcing going on as well.
Added; not only TV's use LCD-based type screens 😉
He is talking about Samsung Display not Samsung Electronics. Samsung display is no longer making LCD panels - regardless of what backlight technology Samsung Electronics uses in lcd tvs on the future.
"regular"
It's called LED LCD.
The newer LCD TV's are Mini LED LCD.
Blooming is still very much a problem on modern TVs, at least the mid range TVs that most people will buy. It's most noticeable on subtitles and on the TV cursor when you're navigating menus, but also for scenes of outer space, in dark rooms or caves with areas of point light sources etc. Basically any scene where OLED is at its best, LCD blooming is at its worst.
I've had a 2020 65" LG CX OLED. It has awesome contrast as advertised, but in less than 2 years, it developed a thin black vertical line right of center. Fortunately, for the only time in my life, I took out an available insurance plan. I was concerned the organic LEDs would develop problems, and unfortunately, was proven right.
The insurance plan agreed to give me a comparable replacement TV. They recommended the LG again, but I passed. I chose the Samsung QN90B instead. While the LG had those "perfect blacks", it never had the vibrancy of my 10-year-old Sharp Aquos - the one with the yellow pixels (Oh my!).
Long story (sorry), I've decided that occassional haloing is less important than full time color vibrancy.
I really hope the QN90B delivers.
I'll never buy an OLED for burn-in / image retention.
I know it's gotten better, but after having plasma and now OLED, I just can't take the risk of getting a cruddy LCD. I just pitched the LCD I had in the bedroom and replaced it with a 48" C1. No regrets. The blooming isn't really the problem, it's the flashlighlighting and overall uniformity issues, especially on lower end LCDs. This really becomes apparent in a dark room. If I am going to spend the extra cash to get a higher end LCD that minimises this, it makes more sense to go the extra mile and get OLED.
Was it a Sony model?
Hey bro,do u think the lg uhd 2022 or lg nanocell 2022,which should i get...im scared the nanocell has bad blooming
Like most things it's personal.
For me, backlight bleed on the edges and halo/blooming is, by far, the most distracting thing that will instantly ruin the picture of a TV as soon as you're not displaying a uniformly-bright scene.
But I'm not susceptible to other things that drive people insane such as judder, the rainbow effect (DLP tvs/projectors), etc. etc.
Exactly this. I have an OLED and I can technically see the stutter when the camera pans, and I can see that fact my tv simply doesn’t get as bright as 99% of leds. But personally it doesn’t bother me.
Perfect blacks while watching a horror movie at night is so important to me. More important than 4K. More important than HDR even.
Same!
That's true. I personally hate the sample and hold motion of OLEDs. I also think they have very mediocre color reproduction. My plasmas and my QN90B have fairly similar looking colors and they look fantastic to me, but my LG CX lacks color brightness and color purity. I don't understand why some other people don't seem to notice this. It's bizarre how much human perception varies.
@@cyberedge881Why would OLED color production be so bad when there are no backlight to washed out the color on the screen?
@@alpzeptaW-OLED uses a white subpixel through color filters. QD-OLED doesn't
In 2018 we replaced our plasma TV with a Sony LED. Had my sights set on Z9D but settled on the 940E and never regretted it - except for subtitled content.
Fast forward to 2022 and I'm not confident in anything but A90J - but I'm even more afraid of banding than I am of DSE / blooming on a current X90-95K model. I'm happy to keep a TV for 5+ years but at this point I'm just going to hold out as long as I can :(
I've got my fingers crossed that the new TCL C935 will be the be all/end all of LCD TV's with its 4th gen round MiniLED's and 1080 zones on the 65in, and 1920 zones on the 75in. As little blooming as possible(or at least better controlled), while pushing 2000nits. And it has all the HDR formats under the sun from basic HDR10 to HDR10+, HGiG and HLG, and Dolby Vision IQ so nothing is left out and you're getting the intended experience. And hopefully with Game Mode they go the same direction as Sony where if you can't have VRR and Full Local Dimming on at the same time, you can pick one or the other per your preference. Unlike Samsung who force the two to work together, but they gimp the Local Dimming to claw back processing headroom and reduce latency.
I have their original 65 825 mini led set and I don't notice blooming on it so my bet is the new TCL will look great. I'm going to get the Sony Z9K because I came into decent toy money recently. Going with the 75 because can't bring myself to spend what Sony wants for the 85 and it's not out yet.
I think just try not to pixel peek them looking for issues. If it's bad enough to make you crazy swap it out for another one or send it back for a refund.
Crossing my fingers the Sony looks bigger and better than the set I have now and the few comments and reviews are promising. Cameras tend to pick up blooming you don't really notice in person depending on the iso settings used so best to see it in person.
Yes it matters and I am so glad I have an OLED Sony A80 j 77 with deep blacks and pretty much zero blooming/halo. So great to watch
Very good video...just a truth many know but surprisingly few want to acknowledge as we get closer to the point of diminishing returns.
I think it would have been useful to point out how bias lighting can drastically reduce the impact of blooming. And reduce eye strain while boosting perceived contrast and color depth. For very little money as well!
I despise blooming. Too distracting, thank god OLED days are here
What is oled and why so much hype behind it
Seriously great job at explaining details and very informative. Really put everything into perspective. Thank you sir!
I haven’t purchased a new TV in nearly a decade, and I kind of feel like I should hold out just a little bit longer for some of this stuff to be refined before purchasing what I hope/expect might be my final TV purchase.
Problem comes back in GAMING MODE when input lag has to be lowest possible; The backlighting can't be controlled well and you are back to seeing tons of blooming/halo effect ;) OLED still does this perfectly and are also much faster in general. You see smearing on a LCD panel because it's kinda slow. Also, still only high-end models have FALD or Mini LED because it's so expensive that OLED from last year is cheaper and better. I think LCD is moving down to low end mid-tier only soon, because WOLED and QD-OLED will rule supreme in the high-end market...
I think blooming is over blown. When I watch content I rarely if at all see blooming or light bleeding or haloing or whatever you want to call it. The TV's have gotten much better with blooming control and almost as good as OLED. But now adays it seems like everyone wants super bright TV's so blooming may not be able to be avoided totally. I guess it's a matter of choice no blooming with OLED or a little blooming with LED TV's but have super bright displays.
Most of the reviewers are just hobbyists. They'll pause the screen on a still picture and analyze every aspect. Most of the time real world viewing doesn't even come into play. OLEDs aren't perfect either they also have their issues.
No no 1 orc the other now
S95b.
Bright in all content like any led or better
And perfect black
@@fepethepenguin8287 s95b full screen brightness, or small highlights sustained brightness =200 nits lol good joke.
@@cryengine_x wtf are you talking about ffs
@@cryengine_x any ways
I upgraded from The C1 instantly
Went to a best buy took a few videos for a friend b4 a got mine
Watch the 2nd video from top
It shows every TV in best buy
And s95 Blowing them all away
Including the 90b what ever Samsung best TV last year
Go to store and look
I get the point. That's why for me, LCD TV are dead. I am able to see the blooming even in a bright room. Tested on 4 TV: 75QN95A, 55X93J, 55Q80A and 75X93J.
I watch primarily subtitled content. Local dimming displays were a mistake. OLED was the biggest upgrade to my viewing experience.
For people who watch normal television, OLED is definitely the way to go. Burn-in is only a concern when playing video games with a HUD, or using a computer
it's almost like we need something that cuts the bloom as much as possible and a secondary diffusion layer that covers a wider space that isn't as bright beneath it. but it would need a back glass rather than a diffusion layer, or as proven much simpler 2 lcd screens.
Sorry to say but I still have the Sony Z9D I bought the LG 65 c2 because I thought it's time for a replacement... and I am still amazed how good the Z9D is...even today no blooming whatsoever...
I hate it! I had an old LG OLED B7 which I guess got hit with something and developed a baseball sized spot in the middle. I ended up getting a 85" Sony LCD to replace it because I wanted a bigger TV and the larger OLEDs were too expensive. While I don't notice anything during the day, I prefer to watch movies or TV shows at night and the bloom drives me crazy. Especially if I'm watching anything with my wife who prefers the subtitles on. Can't wait to go back to OLED
Active Matrix and Dual Layer LCD would be an alternative.
Great video Caleb I been saying this for awhile now so I definitely agree its way overblown you made a lot of great points in this video.
HI Caleb Great video brother, and great explanation. I have a awesome LG G1 65 inch so i have no issues with blooming or halo. Today is not nearly as bad for LEDs people are just so picky on that issue. Also many people dont even care about blooming or even realize what the heck in going on in the picture. I love my pure blacks and insane contrast. OLED is def the future for TVs hands down. Keep up the great vids brother. May the force be with you
OLED becoming the norm would be amazing
For the companies it would be great, inagine people throwing away oled screens left and right because of burn in
- Excellent presentation. Forgive me for my confusion as in a ISF course, blooming was defined as a condition of over saturated white levels (not set properly to 235 ire). Halo was a condition were the sharpness set was set to high. Would not the issue that you are describing be best defined as "Bleeding"? I personally wish that industry would adhere to a standardized terminology.
As we both can agree upon, each form of technology has it's own Pros & Cons.
Well it was certainly a much bigger issue on CRTs, especially low end ones.
no, its not "overblown." Its the very reason oled exists. It will get better with microled...but who knows when that will be.
Thanks, Caleb, for your commentary on the status of LCD TV technology. I'm one of those people who's still enjoying the picture quality of my plasma TV and I know that when it comes time to buy a replacement, I will almost certainly be investing in a QD-OLED TV, not an LCD. Having said that, I was enthusiastic about the introduction of "Dual Cell" LCD panels by Hisense. I'm inclined to think that Dual Cell technology could potentially take LCD TVs to the next level of refinement. Unfortunately (as you pointed out in your review of the Hisense U9DG) Hisense did not implement this innovation as well as could be done. Imagine, though, what a company like Sony might be able to achieve by using Dual Cell panels in their flagship LCD TVs.
It's a shame that the Hisense U9DG Dual Cell LCD TV is now discontinued.
Dual layer LED LCD > Mini LED LCD.
I wish Sony made consumer-grade Dual layer LED LCD flagship TV's aside from their AMAZING OLED TV's.
What they need to do is ditch LCD technology altogether they suck even worse than CRT. Invest in better technologies like SED or Laser Phosphor Display for their TV would be a better move. Thanks god for OLED at this moment or I’ll be stuck with a horrible grayish black and these blooming from local dimming oh Motion Blur is so bad too.
I take issue with the idea of insurmountable 'complication' with increasing LED dimming zones. Why? Because the LED backlight is just an EXTREMELY low resolution display being driven given higher resolution content. I work with graphics, and these types of down sampling calculations are not hard to do -- like, at all -- and even low-end smartphone SoCs are more than equal to the task of driving these from a computation and bandwidth perspective. 10K LEDs may sound like a lot, but this is only 100x100 pixels; far lower than would be acceptable for playing Doom in 1993.
I intuit that increasing the number of LEDs is more of a manufacturing cost problem, than a technical problem.
I was wondering why you never reviewed projectors, and now I know why :) I was lured in by the BIG picture, they do look great when projecting scenes of outside / sunny / sports ... but as soon as you go into a cave, the picture is just horrible....You can't project black... and at that moment I wish I was watching my friends OLED instead to see all the detail I'm missing :)
The closest thing to deep blacks from a consumer-grade projector are one of the high-end models from JVC.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Agree with the suggestions of JVC or Sony. Anyone that uses a decent LCOS panel
making 🥞 for my dad and watching your stream keep up the good work
You are good to your Dad. Wish someone was making me pancakes!
My qn90a is great. I only notice blooming in test patterns, occasionally subtitles, and some starry scenes. I'd say 90% of the time it looks as good or better than my CX.
😂😂😂 At your last sentence.
Depends on the TV if you have like a Sony 900 L LED full array, TV its gonna look amazing. The cheaper LEDs like edgelit have issues with blooming. This really ultimately depends on the TV just like how not all OLED TVs look good.
MicroLed will become the new standard when commercially obtainable.
Thank you Caleb, After all it’s just a TV!! I think some reviewers just look for something to complain about to make videos.
I think that's shortsighted. There's no reason a technology like dual-cell couldn't drastically improve backlight control even further. Sure, the first versions had issues, but nothing that couldn't be overcome. Of course that only makes sense as long as it's cheaper than future evolutions of OLED.
Because of my hearing impairment, I rely on closed captions exclusively when watching programs. I'd appreciate some thoughts on 1) which tech (OLED or QLED) would work better and 2) ways to minimize blooming if it occurs.
OLED wins hands down.
Every LED LCD or Mini LED LCD TV will have some amount of blooming no matter what because it doesn't have 1 local dimming zone per pixel on the display.
16:9 4K TV's have 3840 x 2160 resolution which = 8,294,400 pixels.
Those 8 million+ pixels can individually turn on and off which means zero blooming.
LCD TV's nowadays AT BEST have MAYBE a few hundred local dimming zones which is a far cry from 8,294,400 pixels.
The now-discontinued Hisense U9DG Dual Cell LCD TV is the closest thing to OLED in terms of contrast ratio because it has over 2 million local dimming zones (which is STILL not close to the 8,294,400 pixels that 4K has). Any LCD TV with local dimming will have blooming no matter what.
Go with OLED if you like using subtitles.
P.s. QLED is just a marketing term. It's STILL LCD underneath but with quantum dots included for increased color volume. Anything LCD uses a backlight ni matter what. Black will always look gray on LCD vs black ACTUALLY looking black on an OLED TV.
DSE is far more distracting to me than blooming.
I hate both lol. It’s like they want you to buy an oled instead smh
@@SD71232 I did just that lol
Blooming was never a problem for me…because i didn’t know what it was. Then I learned what blooming was and I couldn’t unsee it now matter how much I tried not to lol
Mini LED will eventually be the best option over oled. Because the brightness is a clear advantage for the HDR colors, and the blacks will be significantly better over time. With little risk of burn in. Sorry, I'm not spending 2,000+ on a oled to have to replace it in a year in a half. OLED sacrifices detail and color for blacks. With a great risk of uselessness after 3/4ths less the life span of a LED. Blooming will be less and less as the mini tech advances also. My parents still have my first 4k QLED LG after 5 years. Where Ik people who've been through 2 or 3 oled's in that time.
Great video we have sky glass 55inch since launch date so about 13 months old, I’ve noticed a dark like down the middle of the screen recently so called sky video link they noticed the same issue plus colour variation from left to right, it’s being replaced Sunday with new so I’m going to try the test on my new glass tv
The Samsung QN90B is a great tv for 2022...That being said, is the new QN95B that much better and worth the higher list price?
Blooming / Halo matters in a picture and if the contrast is low or mid its even worse. Pretty much the picture will look milky or washed out a bit as the blooming ties into the image which colors will look kinda off and so will the image as a whole
Which is why you want very little to no blooming at all. It can make or break the image
OLED / Mini LED with a good amount of dimming zones over edge lit any day.. I had a few EDGE lit monitors and they all look off and in my eyes they looked washed out.
For me the dealer breaker for LCD is and always has been viewing angle.
Caleb I can’t wait for a Sony A80K review. Hopefully you have something planned soon. I’ve seen the tv show up at my local Best Buy and dying to get a review from you.
Love your videos brother. Keep it up.
The same with Oled! I am so happy with my X95j 65” $1,091 fantastic deal! Perfect tv for me!
Very well said
??question for the pros??
...so which 65" tvs UNDER 600.00 ARE BEST For least blooming?? The sales guy said the Samsung Crystals 7000/8000 are great?? How are those? Thanks guys!
Any LCD TV other than quantum dot TVs suck.
it's still a big issue if you use subtitles
It's always going to be a problem at the end of the day it's only a LCD TV....
Hope you get 1m subs before the end of the year.
Absolutely spot. Having been through the KRP500A phase, viewing in a pitch black room etc I now view TV in normal conditions and also realised blooming is a non issue for me. Brightness is far more important in the real world as I don't watch credits and if I were to find myself looking for blooming, the content is obviously not very good. :-)
Everyone just needs to decide for themselves what matters, me I'm over test patterns, etc.
Just bought a C2 Oled last Saturday. I think Oled is the future.
I wish we had 4k pdp panels. I love my 2006 samsung 42 inch plasma and wish they had 4k upgrades.
100% we need to evolve the technology
Thanks for discussing this Caleb, I think blooming now is very minimal especially for those who don't sit in a blacked out room watching the black bars instead of the movie lol. I am ok with the newer LED fald tvs and OLED TV's have their draw backs as well. Btw, When taking a late night walk I glanced up at the street light and saw blooming against the black sky, so which tech is more realistic?😉
I have a old Sony ZD9, and absolutly no problem with blooming!
Thanks for video and info. I didn't know things were like that when buying tvs. If all that you said in the video is true then I'm gonna have to think Really on what I can do with or without when it finally comes down to buying a TV.
Great Video. Well said!
Me from the year 2040: "ah, these microLED TVs are a godsend!".
5:41 I'd still rather choose blooming subtitles over letterbox bars than what HBO Max does, which is place the subtitles on the movie itself. Like what's the point of letterbox bars if the subtitles still go over the movie?
MicroLED is supposed to solve that problem but it's still unreachable
I have a non OLED TV from two years ago, the blooming and trailing in games are the worst aspect of it. I should have spent more to get the right TV.
Hey. Great video! I have a question. Will blooming/halo be worse on an 8k display since it the pixels are closer together so light could shine through more of them? I have no intention of buying 8k anything anytime soon but just curious.
Probably not because 8k models always use significantly more local dimming zones.
@@TheKwod Thank you!
I disagree with this Caleb. While I agree that many reputable LED/LCD TV’s TV’s, come without Edge lit displays and are equipped with some kind of local dimming, that as someone who works in the retailer, the large majority of TV’s that are being sold aren’t the medium to high end TV sets, it’s the low range to even budget sets that are still the most popular, which don’t come with the latest and greatest tech or the best panels, let alone some kind of local dimming or blooming control.
Also people aren’t buying TCL 6 series or Hisense as a budget set, they buy a $500 Samsung Crystal LED, or even a Q60, TV’s without local dimming and half the time, are still edge lit displays. Let’s not even go into the monitor category, where the monitors that can’t even display @ 100 nits sell 10x more than the ones that are VESADisplay HDR1000 rated. The large majority of people that buy a new TV with their next gen console, don’t even get a TV with HDMI 2.1.
You may think it’s a non issue, but your assuming that most people nowadays have $800 or more to spend on the newest TV when most people are still spending half that on their TV. Not everyone has the money the buy the mid range - high end sets, hell people still ask me when they’ll be able to buy a $500 OLED with HDMI 2.1.
I dunno how bright some people need they're tv's to be, but, I think oled is perfect, so...
Looking to replace our LG B7 OLED that has pretty bad burn-in. This is good information that eases my mind a bit about buying a non-OLED tv...as I'll never have another OLED.
We would LOVE to know what burned in on your B7 and how it came to be.
@@digitaltrends The LG B7 was purchased Nov 2017. Since then, there's the notorious 25% window issue that started at less than 2 years and now the Netflix logo won't go away in the lower right of the screen and the UA-cam logo and arrow are present in the upper right of the screen. I replaced a Pioneer Kuro with this set hoping I'd get 10 years out of it too...but that's not going to happen.
@@digitaltrends I had a B7 also and had very similar issues. I tried Samsung Q85a but did not like itt. My next TV Will be LG QNED91.
No, it absolutely matters and destroys pic quality. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.
Oled all the way!!!
I updated from a samsung Au8000 to a hisense u8h. The u8g hisense is great for gaming,but for movies with judder and smoothing reduction turned all the way up I still see a judder. I love the soap opera effect. Can you recommend a tv that I can upgrade that will show movies with the most soap opera effect.....
HDR made those things alot worse in LCD tvs.
Poor blacks, bad contrast and terrible viewing angles aren't things that were introduced with HDR ;)
I agree.
Those things became more noticeable on HDR tvs because the screen gets brighter.
Love the punchy power of LCD LED TVs, their just a standout and jump off the wall sort of speak, which is why going into a store your immediately wowed drawn to LED TVs at first glance especially if its sitting next to an Oled. It's when you get them home under the lights of your home instead of the multi bright lights of a store you began to notice the annoyances and distracting flaws. Me I watch a lot of fast action content, movies sports and LCD LED TVs just do not work for me not just because of blooming or the halo effect but because of ghosting which bothers my eyes. The instant response time of Oled pixels is perfect for that type of content and of course the contrast is great.
I HATE blooming lol, same with halo effect, LGs nanocells look the worst, at least the one I got in 2019 with HDMI 2.1 support. I went straight to OLED after seeing how horrendous it is. My thoughts overall, if you just get a decent QLED or high end LCD that isn’t LG then it’s not a huge issue.
It was because of the IPS panel, and EdgeLED or FALD backlight with low number of zones (since you indicated LG nanocell from that year). Even Samsung today has similar (but less pronounced) effect on its ADS(IPS) models like Q80A, QN85A, QN90A (EU)... also, LG has similar MiniLED models today called QNED nanocell... MiniLED helps alot today but it won't remove the effect on any LED TV, even with VA panels.
I got a LG BX oled!! And love it. Way better then the samsung nu6900
What about MicroLED? I thought that this technology would indeed be a vast improvement over conventional and MiniLED for blooming, and be brighter and without the burn-in risks of OLED.
Yeah, i’m curious about that too, it’s a very promising tech
I think it's still too expensive. For some reason, miniLEDs are as expensive as OLEDs as we can see with the QN90b, X95k vs the C2 and A80k.
You got a spare $150,000 to buy an 88 inch microled?
@@Lead_Foot well of course not anytime soon, but Caleb is talking like LED will ALWAYS have this blooming/brightness trade-off, that LED has peaked. If MicroLED costs ever come down enough doesn’t that trade-off go away?
At 6 minutes in you describe the exact experience I am feeling after getting the 8k qn700b. Debating returning it as the blooming is that bad. I am hoping there is a setting, but honestly thinking of returning it and just paying a bit more for OLED. I tried the U8H and it arrived with a broken screen so had to return that one. I didn't want to buy the same brand after that and thought I couldn't go wrong with the samsung but pretty disappointed so far.
It matters if it’s bad like the 90b update breaking the picture quality but normal use blooming doesn’t bother much. On the other hand gaming on led with vrr on does suck with blooming when gaming in caves and etc
Does it ever get worse over time? Because I had a TV that was fine and then after a few years and...I noticed I white glow on my edge lit TV. It was dying...
No seriously. A year after after the extreme edge blooming started the TV died for good.
Ultra short throw is the future with a very good ALR screen, that solves most of the problem.
I have a 75 inch lg 85 series nanocell and it has bad blooming in my darker bedroom. No setting really gets rid of it. Bought a 77 inch C2 to replace it...
Psyched!
I have a Sony QD-OLED for my main TV, Aero 4K OLED latop, but LCD for PC. Was using the LG nanocell for PC but just upgrade to Samsung QN90B Neo mini led. Way way better. Now I only see blooming if I look for it, worth the tiny imperfection for a bulletproof PC screen.
As an owner of an OLED, LED and Panny Plasma TV, I can see a difference between all of them. When comparing LED to either OLED or Plasma, it becomes obvious how much better plasma and OLED are. It's like watching a rich oil painting vs a flat drawing. LED/LCD only looks good when not comparing it better technologies.
thats cuz you compared it to a edge lit LCD. Micro LED tv's now with a lot of dimming zones, like the sony 90 series or TCL QM8 are almost as good as any oled on black levels, but they're waaaaaaaaaay brighter.
@@Garcheezy I was not referring to black levels.
@@rob21 even worse yet... micro led QLED lcd's are on par with oleds regarding color reproduction/depth. The only real advantage that currently oleds have is black levels, and with local dimming lcd's are really close now. I have both a Oled (LG c3) and a high-ish end qled lcd tv (hisense u8k) and tbh the image quality extremely close between both
Samsung just released a Micro-LED TV (MNA110MS1A) available at Best Buy on March 21, 2023. Every pixel is its own light source, brighter than any OLED tv on the market, and no fear of burn-in. At a 110" screen, it's $150,000 a pop. Maybe in 5 years, the tech will be affordable enough to the point Mini-LEDs are now. If Mirco-LED becomes competitive in price with OLED and OLED cannot match the brightness of Micro, OLED will end up going the way of plasma.
If you’re the person in the chair having to watch the TV off-axis blooming can still be an issue because it’s more noticeable in this scenario.
Well, if you have a VA panel, you're probably never looking at it on axis. 😀 The IPS/VA thing is so ironic when you consider that the most expensive per inch panels are IPS computer monitors. Even 77 inch OLEDs are practically free compared to some 34 inch IPS monitors when you adjust per square inch.
I still dd a 55" LG plasma in my living room and use a 42" Samsung in my bedroom and I prefer my plasma for a few reasons but blooming isn't one of them. The newer Samsung has a brighter picture but the plasma has better color, when OLED comes down in price the plasma will come down.
Well, Oled really is much cheaper these days. The problem is the stutter - they actually should reduce the response time on the new OLEDs.
A lot of people don't know about blooming or haven't noticed this, until they experienced an oled. Then there is no going back!
2:10 Most edge lit monitors and TVs just turn on the entire backlight. They can't even dim at all. It's a bad example video because the black on the left and right should be black if those LEDs go off like in the left image. Also, the screen can still be bright enough to show Earth bright enough using edge lit. It's just that the higher the brightness is, the grayer the black is, so it can't reach 1000 nits without the black level becoming absolutely horrible. Although a VA screen with 1000 nits still has better contrast than an IPS screen with 300 nits most likely. Just with ugly black smear.