“You can’t use a full size Glock because then you’d ignore the full size berettas. But you can use a compact Glock and ignore the berettas” is just about the most army thing I’ve ever heard 😂
I remember hearing this is also the reason the MK12 SPR has an 18" barrel. they wanted a precision 20" but the army said "nah we already got 20"ers, use the m16 barrels" so they came back and asked for 18"ers and it worked lol.
My cell in SFARTAETC, was one of the first to go through the whole course with Glocks, our unit purchased sim kits which allowed this to happen. Not having to manipulate a decocker is worth it's wait in gold after 3 months of intense cqb/markmanship. Gurwitch was one of the instructors at that time as well.
@@rustyshackleford8473hi. SFARTAETC qualified Green Beret here. The smallest echelon in an assault force is COMMONLY referred to as a ‘cell’. it’s been that way for a very long time.
Cloning pistols issued to SOCOM in general and SF in particular is hard since the units have a very liberal idea of what constitutes "unauthorized modification". it is quite common to see a team of 12 dudes and none of their weapons are the same at all. Privately purchased sights, lights, magazine releases, slide stops, etc.
This goes for pretty much any rifle or pistol issued to SOCOM. Generally, cloners will either use contracted parts to clone an “average” gun of that type, or we’ll clone a specific rifle from one or more reference photos.
@@FancyGothicKnight88 like I said in the comment above, you can either build a clone based on a specific list of contracted parts, or you can build one based on a specific reference photo. So to answer your question, no.
when you refer to the DPP and zoom in on that Glock in a hard case, it's a Gen 5 G17. Those issued Gen 5 G17s have a special MOS cut that's direct milled for DPP and no rear sight dovetail, you have to use the DPP's provision to attach a rear sight to the optic.
Dang even regular gen 4 MOS 19s are hard to find these days! Sweet build. Not sure if I like the RMR or the Acro more in your new video. Great content man!
That’s because they’re now LE/Military only. Glock is pushing Gen 4’s to official use, and the public gets the Gen 5. Reason being is all the armorers in the agencies would have to be retrained, all inventories would have to be replaced, it’d create a nightmare. So only other way would be to find one in a LGS or private sale. Luckily, I got mine at a LGS and made a bootleg ripoff of a Mk 27 but I feel it’s a very accurate representation of one
My buddy is currently in Army Special Forces, and at least in his old unit, a CRF (an elite cadre of Green Berets who specialize in Direct Action (DA), Counterterrorism (CT), and Hostage Rescue (HR) missions), he/his unit used a G22 Gen3 with a Surefire X300 for suppressed missions, and had a G35 slide for unsuppressed operations…
I built my Faux-land Special on the Gen5 G45 MOS platform. I have the Surefire 300U, Trijicon RDS HRS, CHWPS Leo/Mil v4 plate, Ameriglo tall suppressor set, and KKM barrel with comp.
The type of people to build a 5k rifle to shoot at an indoor range once a year, post a video on it, and tell you how inferior your build is compared to theirs
That is surprising considering the far East is considered the clone / counterfeit capital of the world. It's even funnier considering your videos of 12.5" Gordon knockoffs
Awesome walk thru - I build a Flux PDW from a P320 FCG and OEM barrel and slide and have a SiCo Omega 9K running on it. I also love SIG’s MOD-X9 and have a full length version running on a G19 with a Recover Tactical brace for a simile configuration. I prefer the Omega on the stouter PDW due to weight while the SIG can is stupid light on the other setup.
I spent many years as an NCO marksmanship instructor teaching rifle and pistol. It was quite easy to correct bad habits when it came to rifle but people seem to have this attitude that they’re still gonna do what they wanna do when it comes to shooting a pistol. They think they know better than the instructors. It’s no wonder their scores always sucked. There’s a reason there are only a few tried and trued ways to shoot a pistol if you want to make reliable hits. If you don’t learn them or you think your way is better, you will miss. My unit was squared away but we often had to run ranges and teach other units. I absolutely hated it. The people we tried to teach never adapted to the training well and never took it seriously. Nothing was learned and nothing was accomplished. It’s amazing but many people in the military don’t actually shoot, train with, handle, or own firearm in their private lives outside of the military. So they never get used to them. If you’re lower enlisted and live in the barracks, you can’t have a firearm. If you live on post in government housing, you can have a firearm but registering it with the Provost Marshall is a hassle. If there are any domestic situations and that gun is mentioned, you could be arrested and kicked out of the military. If you live off post, you can’t conceal carry back and forth to and from post, not since 9/11 anyway. You’re not supposed to. It’s a big mess. All these rules are in place. The people who are supposed to protect freedom are less free than everybody else.
@@durrtybuck8949 Starting to believe? That’s all they ever wanted. Young, dumb, obedient, strong, and brainless. When I finally figured out what was going on, 15 years had already passed.
In Finland we have had nearly identical Glock versions being sold since 2006. First Pro-versions were G17 Pro and G19 Pro gen 3 (I have one of early G17 Pro's). Threaded barrel (usually 13.5x1LH), maritime cups, extended slide lock, (-) connector. Major difference are sights, which are usually basic height Trijicon tritiums. Gen 4 was available both MOS and non-MOS. Gen 5 they didn't do Pro-version anymore, but threaded barrel version is being sold. I bought myself G19 gen5 threaded version in December and have Holosun 509T on it. I also have B&T Impuls II Compact suppressor.
What is a “Pro” version? Does it say “Pro” on the box or the gun as an official Glock designation or is that just a term that the finnish Glock importer decided on for the threaded barrel models?
The reason G19's in Finland all have threaded barrels is because without it, it goes into 'taskuase' ('pocket pistol') category by a few mm. I think it's because of Glock's different grip angle, since most other handguns of the same size don't need the threaded barrel to be okay (CZ P10C for example)
@@Bisley1 Pro isn't mentioned on the box or engraved on the pistol. I've been told they came from factory like this, per importer order.. Barrel is Glock original.
@@NP-cq3vb interesting. Glock had or has a similar thing in the US with import pistols. That is why the G26 comes with adjustable sights and the compacts and subcompacts have trigger serrations. Apparently there is some kind of check list that includes features and dimensions and each gun needs to tick so many, to still be considered a sporting gun and be imported into the US.
Big clear glass windows with super crisp dot and edge to edge clarity. RMRs are very blue spectrum glass to get better battery life from a masked LED emitter and they have edge distortions. They are SUPER durable though. Each optic has its place.
I feel like this is sort of a production version of Pressburg’s Roland Special. Minus the comp of course. I actually have one of the Glock metric thread Gen 4 barrels. I wish it was the 1/2” though. For the sake of interchangeability Also, still using an old TiRant 9
I've heard from different sources that the 14.5mm barrel is superior over the 1/2×28 one because it doesn't back out when firing. Have glocks with both types, never noticed a difference between them. Neither has backed out even the slightest. 🤷♂️ But honestly, it's just a swap of the actual piston. AFAIK, it's really just a preference/ availability thing. OEM threaded barrels for glock are rather rare for any model, and most after markets use the standard threading. Also, if you're looking for a standard threading barrel, Bear Creek Arsenal and Brownells make pretty solid barrels that are budget friendly... at least they were when I bought mine.
@@lincolnpascual interesting observation. I happened to stumble over the thing on GemTech’s website one day and jumped on it. Now I just wish there more available for the Glock 48
@@gtcam723 48... hmm. Is the locking block for the 48 different from the 19? I don't have a 48, so I can't compare, but if you have both models, you should check it out. I know 17 and 19 barrels aren't cross compatible because the lock blocks are different, but glock makes most of their numerous models cross compatible with other models of similar size... 9mm and 40 cal barrels are interchangeable, 380 and 357, and i think the 10mm and 45 are also interchangeable (but i might be wrong about that one. I've don't the 40cal/9mm swap numerous times across 17 and 19 frames, so i know those for sure work. Look into it though, maybe you get lucky and can use a 19 barrel in your 48?
@@gtcam723 oh damn. That's a bummer. Well, if the usual sites don't have em, ebay sometimes does. There are a bunch of reputable custom barrel shops that sell on ebay. It's a hit or miss thing though in availability. Best of luck finding one. Every time i sell a sale on barrels, i try to buy at least a couple, just to have spares for other builds or replacements. Wish i could help further.
I have a gen 3 17 with factory threaded barrel and suppressor sights with matching serial numbers. It came from the factory like this I believe they released a small batch back in 2013
I saw one of these upclose in Jordan carried by a MARSOC dude. I was pissed bc I had a basic issue M9 in a Milt Sparks summer special with two spares stuffed in my pocket and he had this bad boi in an appendix holster with mag side saddle.
@@InferiorRifles this, the service life/change interval is around half the standard cups and they have no appreciable benefit over the standard ones. If there's a difference under water i've never noticed it in testing. Maybe if the sample size was larger there would be. If you've got a pool handy try it, it's pretty fun. 9mm only goes like 4-8' underwater. I tried the oem maritime cups once(different 19) and they deformed after around 2,000 rounds to the point where it was jamming up the firing pin's movement.
Aside from what others have mentioned, when I took the armorer course the instructor said that the maritime cups do not self clean the firing pin channel as well as the standard cups.
I've heard of team guys using Glocks. Most that I've heard talk about it, say they prefer the Glock over the Sig they'd typically carry, but that they've jumped back and forth between both over the years.
i own a factory Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS with factory threaded barrel. It was advertised as US made barrel the half by 28. However, found out while the Glock is US made (US and Georgia marked) the barrel is OEM metric 13.5x1LH. Sportsman guide saod that run was part pf government contract that fell through.
I have both Glock model 23 and model 22 gen 5 in .40 called. You can get 9mm drop in conversion barrels for both firearms. Best of both worlds when it comes to ammo availability or more power. I carried 1911 .45, and Beretta for 20 yrs in the Army as an M1 Abrams Tank armor crewman. I carried Glock model 22 .40 cal, model 35 .40 cal, a model 21 .45 cal , and a model 20 10mm as a Deputy Sheriff. I always felt safe with either of those weapons. The Model 35 tacticsl .40 glock saved my life in couple of different gun fights with drug Cartel. I literally owe my life to Glock 😂. Good video thanks for sharing.
I appreciate the Reddit post as well! I have the Sig suppressor and am almost finished with my build. Which model of Trijicon bright and tough sights are clone correct?
Im honestly surprised they went with the sig suppressor. I'm sure the modularity is nice but the durability, low maintenance and versatility of the omega 9k is hard to beat IMO.
Silencerco was not taken seriously by DOD. They are considered a niche commercial supplier, whose facilities, funding, production and supply capability are marginal at best.
Indeed, SF could not contract the purchase of a full-size Glock because SF were already issued infantry weapons and the M9 was the standard issued pistol. So how best to get Glocks in USSF guys hands? One requirement that was identified early on in the War on Terror was for a compact pistol for civilian clothes work. This is an important fact because it is the main reason for the Glock 19 being issued to us. Adopt the G19 as our compact pistol. That’s why the G19 was chosen, along with the fact that it also passed all Special Operations operational and endurance testing. That’s it. Period. Special Forces guys wanted Glocks, and the requirement for a compact pistol was a way in with G19. BTW: the contract was written for a Glock gen 3 which was the newest generation at the time, that is why you see Gen 3, G19's.
Couldn’t get cleared for full sized pistols? They existed. Gen 3 22’s w/ Dawson precision adjustable sights and the OG tan .40 mags with the +1 baseplate.
Those were used exclusively by JSOC and were purchased at a unit level, therefore they didn't need approval from big Army. The MK27 program was for all of SOCOM, therefore it did.
@@JEJAK5396 2012 RRC and regiments sniper sections had been using Gen 3 glock 19’s and 22’s for a few years before that. 22’s being more prevalent. Probs because of JSOC. But they existed.
I have a G19.4 with an RMR, Trijicon suppressor sights, threaded factory barrel, Surefire X300U and an OSS Rad9 silencer and I discovered that Glocks are trash suppressor hosts. All my USP tactical, P30, MK23 and VP9 tactical optics ready pistols don’t give me a single issue though. Such a shame as I think very highly of Glock and see them as the best value semi auto pistol ever made. Cool video though.
So I work on these in a socom unit and I have yet to see a threaded barrel on any of them. the majority of glocks being used in a ODA are stock G19s and G17s (gen 2-3) with the exception of a few with RMR cuts that can be done at your local machinist. modifications are made later by the individual so if you wish to do a clone you can purchase a stock G19 or G17 and have a clone.
The reasoning behind the choice of a compact pistol is almost as annoying as the compact pistol itself. This setup would be so much more attractive on a G17 or G34.
Lowest bidder shit is real. In the 80s, Beretta and Sig were neck and neck for the big army contract. Big Army demanded a second round of bidding. Beretta lowered their price, while Sig opted not to. I'm sure the fact that SOCOM pays roughly $300 per Glock unit has something to do with the current armories. :)
The cost per performance for a Glock can’t really be beat. I’m betting you’ll start seeing m17/m18 replace SOCOM Glocks as they fall out though. From an acquisition stand point they’re “free” to SOCOM from big army so they won’t have to buy glocks with unit funds. And from the factory they can do all the stuff these SOCOM Glocks do. Optics plates, modular grips, mag wells, threaded barrels. All user serviceable and changeable.
Awesome information, you got yourself a new subscriber. Do you know what the SOCOM maintenance looks like? I’ve been seining this information out for a long time with little success but have some more maybe someone knows the answer to. I’m sure when they train they are putting hundreds of rounds down range a day; do they clean them daily? What do they use to clean and lube?
As with all US military small arms, they will typically be cleaned after every shooting session or exposure to the elements if/when possible. They may not necessarily need to be cleaned that often, but the military takes a uniform approach to weapon maintenance for the most part.
What differs this one from glock 45 mos threaded barrel? Its a 19 frame with a 17 lengh barrel. I just picket mine up and stumbled upon this vid by chance.
I hate the light sticking out in front. I rather have it flush. And I like the aftermarket slides that lighten it up and it needs a stipple job. Make the guns easier to shoot honestly.
I prefer to have the light sticking out. It’s a good stand off device. Just in case if an intruder or assailant gets too close, you could press it against them without pushing your slide out of battery. That way you won’t have a dead trigger.
This day and age with all the compact flashlights it’s a stupidest thing to see a flashlight sticking out of a gun like that. Might as well take advantage of a longer barrel and sites if you’re gonna do that
Might I add. It was a function standard. To place fire arm against baracade. Have slide return to battery, un obstructed. In the civilian world we have the luxury " each there own". The military does not follow that mind-set.
I have seen photos of a data matrix engraved on the bottom of the trigger guard of a MK27, although I don’t know exactly when that change was implemented. As for the slide, there are no differences in the markings though it should be mentioned that the Mod 2 is made in the USA (as opposed to Austria).
So what are they using as a holster system for this setup? Apart from the Crye Gun Clip and a few dorky "gAmE cHaNgEr" holsters put out by a few random companies, I've yet to see what I'd consider to be THE hoster solution to suppressed pistols. Anybody know?
I personally wouldn’t try to holster this with the suppressor attached. End users will typically attach the suppressor after drawing the pistol from the holster, assuming they choose to carry the suppressor in the first place.
Generally speaking, users don’t holster a suppressed pistol. They would carry the suppressor in a separate pouch and attach it as needed after drawing the pistol from a standard holster, which would vary anywhere from a Blackhawk Serpa to a Sarfariland 6004 or a more modern ALS model
@@50shadesofcerakote I’m aware, but I wouldn’t consider the ragnarok-sd a “duty” holster. The pistol isn’t secure enough, Lucas himself has said this much
I’ve only heard of older STI 2011’s being used by Delta, though the US Marshal SOG Team now uses a Staccato P Duo with a Delta Point Pro and Surefire X300U.
I’m sorry man but XDs are absolutely terrible guns. They don’t meet the MRBS or MRBF of any contract I’ve ever seen. Which is why they’re not purchased by any units and they’re not allowed for most LE departments that follow the testing.
@@jamesgarrison5546 I've never heard or seen anyone ever have any issues with XDs. hell, you can fire 45 Super out of an XD with slight modification. Something I'm pretty sure you can't do with Glock, at least not long term. Also, the requirements for a contract doesn't have to completely do with durability or accuracy. I imagine a lot of units just don't want a grip safety especially because honestly, LE caters to the lowest common denominator of recruits.
@@GPOLICE I'm not one to not admit when I'm wrong and would concede if proven wrong. That being said, Yeager is a moron and a hypocrite. The man bitches about how 1911s are obsolete junk and than goes to a factory where they make 1911s and praises the company.
Right? The light? Ok....the threaded barrel and suppressor? Meh not sure. I honestly never got the point of pistol suppressors. They still make a pretty decent noise unless you are using subsonic ammo.....
“You can’t use a full size Glock because then you’d ignore the full size berettas. But you can use a compact Glock and ignore the berettas” is just about the most army thing I’ve ever heard 😂
I remember hearing this is also the reason the MK12 SPR has an 18" barrel. they wanted a precision 20" but the army said "nah we already got 20"ers, use the m16 barrels" so they came back and asked for 18"ers and it worked lol.
@@xavierh.5102 this is correct ^
The military isn’t immune to bureaucracy, even SOCOM
@@xavierh.5102 big army moment
So what you are saying is we can use a Glock 17 instead of using a Glock 19
@Ariel Traasdahl you need to get a room for your .357 Sig. 🤣
My cell in SFARTAETC, was one of the first to go through the whole course with Glocks, our unit purchased sim kits which allowed this to happen. Not having to manipulate a decocker is worth it's wait in gold after 3 months of intense cqb/markmanship. Gurwitch was one of the instructors at that time as well.
Very cool!
@@InferiorRifles Jeff Gurwitch here, good video!
@@ModernTacticalShooting thanks 🙏
Nice try, liar. No one in SF refers to it as a "cell."
@@rustyshackleford8473hi. SFARTAETC qualified Green Beret here. The smallest echelon in an assault force is COMMONLY referred to as a ‘cell’. it’s been that way for a very long time.
Cloning pistols issued to SOCOM in general and SF in particular is hard since the units have a very liberal idea of what constitutes "unauthorized modification". it is quite common to see a team of 12 dudes and none of their weapons are the same at all. Privately purchased sights, lights, magazine releases, slide stops, etc.
This goes for pretty much any rifle or pistol issued to SOCOM. Generally, cloners will either use contracted parts to clone an “average” gun of that type, or we’ll clone a specific rifle from one or more reference photos.
@@FancyGothicKnight88 like I said in the comment above, you can either build a clone based on a specific list of contracted parts, or you can build one based on a specific reference photo. So to answer your question, no.
Lol I don’t think the Roland Special helped this at all
And it’s been coming out that SOCOM has been moving to the M17 In highly modified versions and AWAY from the Glock.
@@soonerfrac4611 not shocked by that. I tried to like the 320. I really did. Just couldn’t.
I own one of the concept pistols used by SOCOM to introduce the pistol optic for this project.
Very cool!
rare and so cool. what a piece of history
when you refer to the DPP and zoom in on that Glock in a hard case, it's a Gen 5 G17. Those issued Gen 5 G17s have a special MOS cut that's direct milled for DPP and no rear sight dovetail, you have to use the DPP's provision to attach a rear sight to the optic.
Correct, you’re referring to the MOS3 system from Glock. Got my pictures switched when looking for reference photos
I think you may be the only person that remembered the DPP cut specific version existed
huh. I had a Mk27 Mod0 clone (with correct barrel and sights) and I didn't even know it.
Dang even regular gen 4 MOS 19s are hard to find these days! Sweet build. Not sure if I like the RMR or the Acro more in your new video. Great content man!
That’s because they’re now LE/Military only. Glock is pushing Gen 4’s to official use, and the public gets the Gen 5. Reason being is all the armorers in the agencies would have to be retrained, all inventories would have to be replaced, it’d create a nightmare.
So only other way would be to find one in a LGS or private sale. Luckily, I got mine at a LGS and made a bootleg ripoff of a Mk 27 but I feel it’s a very accurate representation of one
My buddy is currently in Army Special Forces, and at least in his old unit, a CRF (an elite cadre of Green Berets who specialize in Direct Action (DA), Counterterrorism (CT), and Hostage Rescue (HR) missions), he/his unit used a G22 Gen3 with a Surefire X300 for suppressed missions, and had a G35 slide for unsuppressed operations…
The CRF/CRIF guys got stuck with hand me downs from a certain SMU.
Forward Control Design is an absolute BEAST!!! and customer service is amazing!!
Indeed, the 3 or 4 orders I’ve placed with FCD have all shipped within an hour
@@InferiorRifles Top notch customer service he always responds to any questions you may have and the quality of product is awesome
I built my Faux-land Special on the Gen5 G45 MOS platform. I have the Surefire 300U, Trijicon RDS HRS, CHWPS Leo/Mil v4 plate, Ameriglo tall suppressor set, and KKM barrel with comp.
Love your channel name, true generally to all clones
It’s always nice when someone gets the joke without me having to explain it lol. Thanks for watching
Diehard cloners certainly are a ridiculous bunch. 🤣 Good on you for going practical and functional.
The type of people to build a 5k rifle to shoot at an indoor range once a year, post a video on it, and tell you how inferior your build is compared to theirs
@@Basement_Operator Trufax. "I spent over 3 bills on a 4-prong" 🤣
That is surprising considering the far East is considered the clone / counterfeit capital of the world. It's even funnier considering your videos of 12.5" Gordon knockoffs
@@DowntownDeuce2 You'll have to expand on the far East comment.
I don't know what you're referring to as I don't have a Gordon clone.
@@bunnyoperator I'm not surprised. Perhaps your parents can explain it to you...
Awesome walk thru - I build a Flux PDW from a P320 FCG and OEM barrel and slide and have a SiCo Omega 9K running on it. I also love SIG’s MOD-X9 and have a full length version running on a G19 with a Recover Tactical brace for a simile configuration. I prefer the Omega on the stouter PDW due to weight while the SIG can is stupid light on the other setup.
The grip that soldier has on the M9 is astonishing
I spent many years as an NCO marksmanship instructor teaching rifle and pistol. It was quite easy to correct bad habits when it came to rifle but people seem to have this attitude that they’re still gonna do what they wanna do when it comes to shooting a pistol. They think they know better than the instructors. It’s no wonder their scores always sucked. There’s a reason there are only a few tried and trued ways to shoot a pistol if you want to make reliable hits. If you don’t learn them or you think your way is better, you will miss. My unit was squared away but we often had to run ranges and teach other units. I absolutely hated it. The people we tried to teach never adapted to the training well and never took it seriously. Nothing was learned and nothing was accomplished. It’s amazing but many people in the military don’t actually shoot, train with, handle, or own firearm in their private lives outside of the military. So they never get used to them. If you’re lower enlisted and live in the barracks, you can’t have a firearm. If you live on post in government housing, you can have a firearm but registering it with the Provost Marshall is a hassle. If there are any domestic situations and that gun is mentioned, you could be arrested and kicked out of the military. If you live off post, you can’t conceal carry back and forth to and from post, not since 9/11 anyway. You’re not supposed to. It’s a big mess. All these rules are in place. The people who are supposed to protect freedom are less free than everybody else.
I went back and looked at that pic. How was he even holding that gun? Amazing!
That can be said about most US soldiers. I’m starting to believe that the government just requires warm bodies over proficient warriors.
@@durrtybuck8949
Starting to believe? That’s all they ever wanted. Young, dumb, obedient, strong, and brainless. When I finally figured out what was going on, 15 years had already passed.
I’ve been waiting on this video for about 10 years now . Great video
In Finland we have had nearly identical Glock versions being sold since 2006. First Pro-versions were G17 Pro and G19 Pro gen 3 (I have one of early G17 Pro's). Threaded barrel (usually 13.5x1LH), maritime cups, extended slide lock, (-) connector. Major difference are sights, which are usually basic height Trijicon tritiums. Gen 4 was available both MOS and non-MOS. Gen 5 they didn't do Pro-version anymore, but threaded barrel version is being sold. I bought myself G19 gen5 threaded version in December and have Holosun 509T on it. I also have B&T Impuls II Compact suppressor.
What is a “Pro” version? Does it say “Pro” on the box or the gun as an official Glock designation or is that just a term that the finnish Glock importer decided on for the threaded barrel models?
The reason G19's in Finland all have threaded barrels is because without it, it goes into 'taskuase' ('pocket pistol') category by a few mm. I think it's because of Glock's different grip angle, since most other handguns of the same size don't need the threaded barrel to be okay (CZ P10C for example)
@@Bisley1 Pro isn't mentioned on the box or engraved on the pistol. I've been told they came from factory like this, per importer order.. Barrel is Glock original.
@@NP-cq3vb Yes and no. Barrel does work as suppressor mount and G19 with B&T Compact is pretty handy package.
@@NP-cq3vb interesting. Glock had or has a similar thing in the US with import pistols. That is why the G26 comes with adjustable sights and the compacts and subcompacts have trigger serrations. Apparently there is some kind of check list that includes features and dimensions and each gun needs to tick so many, to still be considered a sporting gun and be imported into the US.
I still have a few friends active in ranger batt. Most of them prefer the leopold dot for whatever reason
The Delta Point is a great option too, I didn’t mean to imply that the RMR was necessarily superior. They both have pros and cons
Big clear glass windows with super crisp dot and edge to edge clarity. RMRs are very blue spectrum glass to get better battery life from a masked LED emitter and they have edge distortions.
They are SUPER durable though. Each optic has its place.
DPPs are notorious among competitors for breaking.
Thanks
I feel like this is sort of a production version of Pressburg’s Roland Special. Minus the comp of course.
I actually have one of the Glock metric thread Gen 4 barrels. I wish it was the 1/2” though. For the sake of interchangeability
Also, still using an old TiRant 9
I've heard from different sources that the 14.5mm barrel is superior over the 1/2×28 one because it doesn't back out when firing. Have glocks with both types, never noticed a difference between them. Neither has backed out even the slightest. 🤷♂️
But honestly, it's just a swap of the actual piston. AFAIK, it's really just a preference/ availability thing. OEM threaded barrels for glock are rather rare for any model, and most after markets use the standard threading.
Also, if you're looking for a standard threading barrel, Bear Creek Arsenal and Brownells make pretty solid barrels that are budget friendly... at least they were when I bought mine.
@@lincolnpascual interesting observation. I happened to stumble over the thing on GemTech’s website one day and jumped on it. Now I just wish there more available for the Glock 48
@@gtcam723 48... hmm. Is the locking block for the 48 different from the 19? I don't have a 48, so I can't compare, but if you have both models, you should check it out. I know 17 and 19 barrels aren't cross compatible because the lock blocks are different, but glock makes most of their numerous models cross compatible with other models of similar size... 9mm and 40 cal barrels are interchangeable, 380 and 357, and i think the 10mm and 45 are also interchangeable (but i might be wrong about that one. I've don't the 40cal/9mm swap numerous times across 17 and 19 frames, so i know those for sure work. Look into it though, maybe you get lucky and can use a 19 barrel in your 48?
@@lincolnpascual the muzzle hole in the slide is smaller as is the barrel OD
@@gtcam723 oh damn. That's a bummer. Well, if the usual sites don't have em, ebay sometimes does. There are a bunch of reputable custom barrel shops that sell on ebay. It's a hit or miss thing though in availability. Best of luck finding one. Every time i sell a sale on barrels, i try to buy at least a couple, just to have spares for other builds or replacements. Wish i could help further.
I have a gen 3 17 with factory threaded barrel and suppressor sights with matching serial numbers. It came from the factory like this I believe they released a small batch back in 2013
No mos cut and threads are 13mm
I own a mod 2 as well but with the original 13.5 lh barrel. Pawn shop find, didn't know what they had
I saw one of these upclose in Jordan carried by a MARSOC dude. I was pissed bc I had a basic issue M9 in a Milt Sparks summer special with two spares stuffed in my pocket and he had this bad boi in an appendix holster with mag side saddle.
I’m don’t know why Glock doesn’t include the Maritime cups standard on all 9mm models.
Because they have a shorter service life
And I’ve also heard they’re not that much more effective than the regular ones
The don't work that well
@@InferiorRifles this, the service life/change interval is around half the standard cups and they have no appreciable benefit over the standard ones. If there's a difference under water i've never noticed it in testing. Maybe if the sample size was larger there would be. If you've got a pool handy try it, it's pretty fun. 9mm only goes like 4-8' underwater. I tried the oem maritime cups once(different 19) and they deformed after around 2,000 rounds to the point where it was jamming up the firing pin's movement.
Aside from what others have mentioned, when I took the armorer course the instructor said that the maritime cups do not self clean the firing pin channel as well as the standard cups.
Never knew about the Glock maritime pistols pretty cool
Really cool in germany the feds got a MP5 E its a MP5 with some mods issued by the feds really cool thing
My command had a few of the Mod 1’s in the armory got to use them quite often.
I've heard of team guys using Glocks. Most that I've heard talk about it, say they prefer the Glock over the Sig they'd typically carry, but that they've jumped back and forth between both over the years.
Good info, thanks for sharing. Love the Clone History!!
I have a Gen 3 with an MOS. It's got a custom OD lower with a custom OD camo finish on the slide
i own a factory Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS with factory threaded barrel. It was advertised as US made barrel the half by 28. However, found out while the Glock is US made (US and Georgia marked) the barrel is OEM metric 13.5x1LH.
Sportsman guide saod that run was part pf government contract that fell through.
They already had a compact pistol in the inventory too; the SIG P228/M11.
Carried this for years and years in regiment
I was under the impression that the AWC titanium Abraxas was the first approved suppressor for the MK27.
Hopefully they can go to the G45 now
"Jeffrey Gurwich" he'll love that 😂
I have both Glock model 23 and model 22 gen 5 in .40 called. You can get 9mm drop in conversion barrels for both firearms. Best of both worlds when it comes to ammo availability or more power. I carried 1911 .45, and Beretta for 20 yrs in the Army as an M1 Abrams Tank armor crewman. I carried Glock model 22 .40 cal, model 35 .40 cal, a model 21 .45 cal , and a model 20 10mm as a Deputy Sheriff. I always felt safe with either of those weapons. The Model 35 tacticsl .40 glock saved my life in couple of different gun fights with drug Cartel. I literally owe my life to Glock 😂. Good video thanks for sharing.
I appreciate the Reddit post as well! I have the Sig suppressor and am almost finished with my build. Which model of Trijicon bright and tough sights are clone correct?
Im honestly surprised they went with the sig suppressor. I'm sure the modularity is nice but the durability, low maintenance and versatility of the omega 9k is hard to beat IMO.
Silencerco was not taken seriously by DOD. They are considered a niche commercial supplier, whose facilities, funding, production and supply capability are marginal at best.
Indeed, SF could not contract the purchase of a full-size Glock because SF were already issued infantry weapons and the M9 was the standard issued pistol. So how best to get Glocks in USSF guys hands? One requirement that was identified early on in the War on Terror was for a compact pistol for civilian clothes work. This is an important fact because it is the main reason for the Glock 19 being issued to us. Adopt the G19 as our compact pistol. That’s why the G19 was chosen, along with the fact that it also passed all Special Operations operational and endurance testing. That’s it. Period. Special Forces guys wanted Glocks, and the requirement for a compact pistol was a way in with G19.
BTW: the contract was written for a Glock gen 3 which was the newest generation at the time, that is why you see Gen 3, G19's.
What holster would they use with the suppressor?
Surefire masterfire probably.
Couldn’t get cleared for full sized pistols? They existed. Gen 3 22’s w/ Dawson precision adjustable sights and the OG tan .40 mags with the +1 baseplate.
Those were used exclusively by JSOC and were purchased at a unit level, therefore they didn't need approval from big Army. The MK27 program was for all of SOCOM, therefore it did.
@@InferiorRifles then how did i come up on some on Ft. Benning????
@@sancfireactual307 What time frame?
@@JEJAK5396 2012 RRC and regiments sniper sections had been using Gen 3 glock 19’s and 22’s for a few years before that. 22’s being more prevalent. Probs because of JSOC. But they existed.
Those were Delta-only, no?
What are the measurements on those trijicon suppressor height sights? Or a part number?
GL201-C-600649
Great video. I’ve thought about building one for awhile
Man im just saying, you got a very nice voice. Amazing video as well!
I have a G19.4 with an RMR, Trijicon suppressor sights, threaded factory barrel, Surefire X300U and an OSS Rad9 silencer and I discovered that Glocks are trash suppressor hosts. All my USP tactical, P30, MK23 and VP9 tactical optics ready pistols don’t give me a single issue though. Such a shame as I think very highly of Glock and see them as the best value semi auto pistol ever made. Cool video though.
This may be my favorite channel
Was the AAC Ti-Rant 9S used at all with the Mk27 or considered against the suppressors you mentioned?
So I work on these in a socom unit and I have yet to see a threaded barrel on any of them. the majority of glocks being used in a ODA are stock G19s and G17s (gen 2-3) with the exception of a few with RMR cuts that can be done at your local machinist. modifications are made later by the individual so if you wish to do a clone you can purchase a stock G19 or G17 and have a clone.
I just wanna know who at Sig is felating the army brass to be winning so many damn contracts.
Somebody’s doing bobo honkin for sure
Did they do nothing to change the trigger?
that is pretty neat that we almost got issued glocks in the military
I'm salty the m17 is soooo top heavy
Yep if it wasn't for the fact that Glock wanted more money for accessories..... It would be to this day.
The reasoning behind the choice of a compact pistol is almost as annoying as the compact pistol itself. This setup would be so much more attractive on a G17 or G34.
Lowest bidder shit is real.
In the 80s, Beretta and Sig were neck and neck for the big army contract. Big Army demanded a second round of bidding. Beretta lowered their price, while Sig opted not to.
I'm sure the fact that SOCOM pays roughly $300 per Glock unit has something to do with the current armories. :)
Lowest bidder. That met the standard.
The cost per performance for a Glock can’t really be beat. I’m betting you’ll start seeing m17/m18 replace SOCOM Glocks as they fall out though. From an acquisition stand point they’re “free” to SOCOM from big army so they won’t have to buy glocks with unit funds. And from the factory they can do all the stuff these SOCOM Glocks do. Optics plates, modular grips, mag wells, threaded barrels. All user serviceable and changeable.
@@jamesgarrison5546surprised more companies haven't gone for Sig's FCU style system. It seems like the future of handgun end user customization.
Great review, subscribed.
What sights do you have on there?
I heard that glocks don’t suppress well, what’s your opinion on that? I plan on doing this same build with a Glock 17
They’re not the best suppressor hosts in existence, but they work fine assuming the gun/piston assembly is maintained frequently
Did these have the ndlc coated internals?
Was this before or after the adoption of the m17/18?
I’ve been seeing the term “clone” used a lot in the comments. Idk if that is slang or jargon but could anyone kindly inform me on what that means?
Cloning is the hobby of building firearms that replicate issued service weapons
Isn’t MARITIME SPRING CUPS also another thing that’s difference?
Solid video and content!
Awesome information, you got yourself a new subscriber. Do you know what the SOCOM maintenance looks like? I’ve been seining this information out for a long time with little success but have some more maybe someone knows the answer to. I’m sure when they train they are putting hundreds of rounds down range a day; do they clean them daily? What do they use to clean and lube?
As with all US military small arms, they will typically be cleaned after every shooting session or exposure to the elements if/when possible. They may not necessarily need to be cleaned that often, but the military takes a uniform approach to weapon maintenance for the most part.
You think had socom waited a few more years they could have opted for the 19x instead?
Could've been a possibility.
What differs this one from glock 45 mos threaded barrel? Its a 19 frame with a 17 lengh barrel. I just picket mine up and stumbled upon this vid by chance.
The Glock 45 has a 17 (full size) length grip.
So does a 19 Gen 4 with no MOS will be considered a MK27 or not? Thank you.
Does that have an improved ejector over the vanilla G19?
Not that I’m aware of.
Is this why I can't find a G19 Gen3 with threaded barrel anywhere? (non-MOS)
So the Mk23 from HK and the Mk25 (Sig Sauer) is out of service in SOCOM?
Supposedly the mk25 is no longer being used by SOCOM and the Mk23 is being phased out.
I hate the light sticking out in front. I rather have it flush. And I like the aftermarket slides that lighten it up and it needs a stipple job. Make the guns easier to shoot honestly.
I prefer to have the light sticking out. It’s a good stand off device. Just in case if an intruder or assailant gets too close, you could press it against them without pushing your slide out of battery. That way you won’t have a dead trigger.
@@DocMitchell69 full power weapon light gang
@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce Represent!
Yeah a trl-7 would look so much better.
This day and age with all the compact flashlights it’s a stupidest thing to see a flashlight sticking out of a gun like that.
Might as well take advantage of a longer barrel and sites if you’re gonna do that
@@montanaplease “this day and age”
My man, it’s a clone of a gun adopted by socom over a decade ago
Might I add. It was a function standard. To place fire arm against baracade. Have slide return to battery, un obstructed. In the civilian world we have the luxury " each there own". The military does not follow that mind-set.
Any difference In Slide marking designations for model or cage codes from a standard Gen 4 MOS?
I have seen photos of a data matrix engraved on the bottom of the trigger guard of a MK27, although I don’t know exactly when that change was implemented. As for the slide, there are no differences in the markings though it should be mentioned that the Mod 2 is made in the USA (as opposed to Austria).
@@InferiorRifles thanks. I knew there had to be something to indicate it.
What is the difference between the MK27 and the Roland Special?
One is a designation for a gun used by SOCOM, and the other is a dead fad 😏
So what are they using as a holster system for this setup? Apart from the Crye Gun Clip and a few dorky "gAmE cHaNgEr" holsters put out by a few random companies, I've yet to see what I'd consider to be THE hoster solution to suppressed pistols. Anybody know?
The MK27 is not intended to be holstered suppressed.
What holster would be used with this pistol if it were to be suppressed?
I personally wouldn’t try to holster this with the suppressor attached. End users will typically attach the suppressor after drawing the pistol from the holster, assuming they choose to carry the suppressor in the first place.
I have to agree, you don't "holster" suppressed pistol, in war you already know how your going in...even if it doesn't work out
This looks a LOT like a ROLAND SPECIAL minus the compensator on the barrel.
So to clarify… this looks like a Roland Special minus the one defining characteristic of a Roland Special?
Walther P99/PPQ/PDP is without a doubt the greatest striker fired pistol of all time
I like mine. But the HK VP9 is better. Imo
I'm partial to any pistol with a paddle mag release.
Try to service it yourself or try to get parts for it, good luck with that!
Is the barrell 13.5x1LH or is it 1/2x28?
Have there been any gen 5s spotted?
Not of the MK27. There have been Gen 5 Glocks seen in use by SF though.
@inferiorrifles how is the mk13 build coming along?
Still a few months out.
Edit: it’s on its way back from RBA
@@InferiorRifles nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the completion video.
There was definitely Glock 34s out there too :)
@@AlphaJulietBravo1 yes, the MK29
@@InferiorRifles ooo I didn't realize there was a mk designation for it, ended up obtaining a surplus G34 holster
Any idea what holster they're running with the suppressor?
Generally speaking, users don’t holster a suppressed pistol. They would carry the suppressor in a separate pouch and attach it as needed after drawing the pistol from a standard holster, which would vary anywhere from a Blackhawk Serpa to a Sarfariland 6004 or a more modern ALS model
Trex arms makes dropleg suppressor holsters. But surprisingly the armpit position works quite well for a suppressed handgun.
@@50shadesofcerakote I love Trex arms ♥️
@@50shadesofcerakote I’m aware, but I wouldn’t consider the ragnarok-sd a “duty” holster. The pistol isn’t secure enough, Lucas himself has said this much
@@DevonReclaimed that is fucking weird, but okay.
Did guys ever run the x300 on the mod 0
@@rhino7933 the original x300, yes
I wonder how many Staccatos they have
I’ve only heard of older STI 2011’s being used by Delta, though the US Marshal SOG Team now uses a Staccato P Duo with a Delta Point Pro and Surefire X300U.
Which piston did you get for your omega 9k?
SilencerCo 1/2X28 with the black finish. It should be noted that the trials suppressor in the reference photo used a stainless piston.
Such a shame XDs don't get more love. They actually come standard with fully supported chambers.
That may be the one positive feature on the XD’s.
I’m sorry man but XDs are absolutely terrible guns. They don’t meet the MRBS or MRBF of any contract I’ve ever seen. Which is why they’re not purchased by any units and they’re not allowed for most LE departments that follow the testing.
@@jamesgarrison5546 I've never heard or seen anyone ever have any issues with XDs. hell, you can fire 45 Super out of an XD with slight modification. Something I'm pretty sure you can't do with Glock, at least not long term. Also, the requirements for a contract doesn't have to completely do with durability or accuracy. I imagine a lot of units just don't want a grip safety especially because honestly, LE caters to the lowest common denominator of recruits.
@@ramdom_assortment XD was dropped from MHS trials because they were so unreliable. In the first round of testing.
@@GPOLICE I'm not one to not admit when I'm wrong and would concede if proven wrong. That being said, Yeager is a moron and a hypocrite. The man bitches about how 1911s are obsolete junk and than goes to a factory where they make 1911s and praises the company.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
Gen 5 Glock 45 9mm with threaded barrel?
@Chano Leyva exactly. Give me the opposite set up. Glock 17 slide on a 19 frame.
I have a Gen 3, can someone send me the link to proper clone correct Trigicon sights? I currently have factory Glock night sights.
we still have gen 3 frames on our team believe it or not lol
I’d believe it, Gen 3 19’s were used for quite a while before the Gen 4’s were acquired and given the “MK27” designation
Everyone is special forces except for me.Maybe if I make a specops platform, a gun to ordinary plebs, I will automaticly turn into a speops operator.😮
Glock, because it works.
2:18 What a reference picture. Grip is broken and wrists are not locked
Love this channel
A roland special?
Roland specials typically have a compensator
Very nice
Big Army taking its time go figure.
My next glock
That thing needs sling swivels and a bungee. More add ons than a GI Joe. So much for the KISS principle.
Right? The light? Ok....the threaded barrel and suppressor? Meh not sure.
I honestly never got the point of pistol suppressors. They still make a pretty decent noise unless you are using subsonic ammo.....
ok we need a shooting video
Make mine a .40S&W and I'm sold... :>0