the best user of qwerty says he is more comfortable with qwerty is like the world's best left-foot juggler saying it is more comfortable to juggle with left foot.
I don't think thats a great analogy - I think it's something to be considered that he is significantly faster with qwerty than anyone else is with colemak. I'd be interested to see if someone with colemak could surpass him
99.9% of people on the planet use qwerty (not because it's better but because it's standard) so statistically all the top places should be dominated by people using qwerty (and the fact there are colemak users among them already says something). it doesn't really matter if rocket is faster than the next colemak guy, what matters is if he trained colemak exactly the same amount of time, would he be slower or faster, and i think the answer is pretty clear (and colemak is not unique here, he would be faster on any modern layout) @@arpitranasaria4878
@@arpitranasaria4878 No, I dont think so. Is like saying that because english is your first language (with us common english accent) and nobody beats you at spelling. Or for using an specific chess strategy... Like all of us he has YEARS practicing with the qwerty layout, he probably trained Colemak for a couple of months and thats it.
@@arpitranasaria4878also in addition to what Axel said, there’s also far more qwerty users than colemak, so having the fastest typist be a qwerty user isn’t indicative of qwerty as an efficient nor inefficient layout
typed on qwerty since I was 3. (im 25 now) heres my 2 cents. I reached 100 wpm on qwerty but it always felt awkward and this was typing at a comfortable pace not trying to push my speed. I decided to switch to colemak dh about 1-1.5 to 2 years ago and my top speed now is 158wpm. my comfort typing speed is around 120-130. but it feels lightyears more comfortable compared to qwerty. for those thinking of switching to any alternate layout. it only takes ~month to get to 50-60wpm, 3-6 to get to 80-100 wpm and 6+ months to get 100+wpm. even if i wasnt switching for speed the switch for less handstrain and ergonomics is 100% worth it to me.
I switched to Colemak-DHk around 8 months ago. My PB on MonkeyType was 72 wpm. After typing about 130 hours with Colemak-DHk layout, I have reached 121 wpm from 0 wpm. I don't know about speed but the layout is so much comfortable. Now, my hands does not feel pain even if I type for hours. I am now addicted to typing because of the layout.
When I was younger I just couldn't grasp the typing with qwerty so I tried colemak and never look back, it's kinda funny to see people hunt and peck my phone keyboard lol
The main incentive to use an obscure keyboard layout is to dissuade others from using your computer. It goes great with blank keycaps and a hard to translate language for the OS and programs.
quick answer: depends long answer: most are familiar with qwerty anyways and if you were try and alter the standard you would be spending big chunks of your time trying to get familiar with colemak. Whats the point if you can just type on a keybaord layout you already know. BUT if you are willing you can have more potential using colemac and if you work for it you will get much higher wpm.
Yeah switching layouts isn't the move for speed 99 times out 100. I use a workman layout right now, but I would type between 205-212 when I switched off qwerty to colemak and then when I switched to workman a couple years back, I type about 180-190. Workman is pretty comfortable for most combinations of letters, so that's why I prefer it even though I type slower.
I used Colemak for a Corne for 4 months and then switched to Graphite on a 34 key Ferris Sweep. I would agree that alternative layouts don’t give any speed boost but they are WAY more comfortable and efficient. Using a split keyboard layout with layers means my fingers never move more than one key. My accuracy is almost always 100% with numbers and symbols now too.
Yeah! You type slower on the the QWERTY format because thats what it was designed for! When people used typewriters they would often type so fast that the keys would get stuck together so they designed a layout where the common keys were more spread out so that that would stop happening! :)
This is a myth and a widely spread one but in the end is not real FYI, I know because I used to believe this bs too. It was spread by Dvorak’s founder and not real….
@@chessknightz It was actually designed to make you type slower but that doesn't mean you can't type fast. The only idea they had to solve the issues they had at the time was to take the most pressed keys and spread them out which is why we have this layout. Of course, now that we're used to this layout, we can still type very fast with it, but people at the time had to get used to it so it probably solved their issues however temporarily :)
@@callmethebreeze2934 Here's the thing - I changed my mind about what I said, and I think qwerty isn't that efficient, so if another alternate layout such as colemak was standardised, the average typing speed would increase. My point is that qwerty is not SPECIFICALLY designed to slow you down, only to spread out the common letters to avoid the arms of a mechanical typewriter from jamming and clashing upon each other. Even though spreading out the common keys made the layout less efficient, it wasn't intentionally designed to make you slower. I honestly do think that the amount qwerty slows you compared to other layouts is negligible, and it's just so dependent on what you're typing and how you type it.
I'm semi preficient in both. 100 with qwerty, and 50-60 ish with colemak dh. Both have completely different typing styles. Colemak barely deviates from home row and feels a lot more 'rolly' than qwerty. You really notice more same finger bigrams on qwerty after using colemak. But most of those you learn to just avoid anyway.
You can definitely get faster by switching layouts if discomfort is the thing that's bottlenecking your speed. As a former Colemak user that's now switched to Canary, I would say that if you're looking for a layout to switch to, Canary is the one to choose.
Canary is much more comfortable for me for the following reason: Canary Left Hand: L and Y Canary Right Hand: A, E, I, O and U. Compare that with...... Colemak Left Hand: A Colemak Right Hand: E, I, O, U, L and Y. It might seem trivial to you, but getting all the vowels on one hand, and then getting L and Y on the other hand is a game changer for me. Try typing these words on both Colemak and Canary and see which version you find more comfortable: you eye key only paragraph element standard unlikely enemy start mile draw I should also add that Canary's C on the home row is so much better than where Colemak has C. It means that CR RC CS SC CT TC are all bigrams that get increased comfort.
@@garyinternet5436 The words you provided might be more comfortable but if you consider whole dictionary Colemak DHk is more comfortable according to various keyboard analysis tools.
I don't ever think going from something that is muscle memory to something you need to learn will help with speed or efficiency in a timely enough matter. Just change to the voice command layout if you want to be faster.
What is my typing method called? I don't look at the keybord and I only use my left index finger, right middle finger and thumbs for typing. I only use my thumbs for the spacebar and move my hands around the keyboard. Needless to say, this is not the right way to type 💀💀💀💀
I disagree, the switch is totally worth it. In my experience I got frustrated with qwerty after I couldn't get past the 60 wpm roof. I started with colemak last year in October and I could type 120 wpm+ a few months ago.
200 WPM is like top 0.01% of actual competitive typist in the world lol, good luck. Most people GENETICALLY cannot do this because they don’t have long enough fingers or fast enough hands. I type at peaks of 150 WPM and have averaged 120 WPM and I’m like top 1% in typeracer on that site which is where all the competitive typists are at lol. Search it up and see for yourself it’s a great way to ground yourself in reality of what’s actually real in terms of typist out there, what you’re seeing is a dude who’s one of the top typist in all the world. It’s like seeing a McLaren and thinking this is obtainable for most people or boobs that 34 H natural cups ❤ and thinking that tons of girls have those, reality is social media just shows you the most extremes and not realities.
My PR was with Colemak, but since banks, offices, and pretty much any public keyboard out there uses Qwerty, I still use Qwerty. I'm still typing 130 with Qwerty so I'm chilling. Practicality before anything.
Colemak is too heavy on the right hand. There are better layouts. Also non-english languages do not work well with Colemak. Finally other layouts over many more rolls. So when you switch do not choose colemak! For Germans AdnW and the variants are far better, btw. also better for only English that Colemak.
Honestly, I think you'll get more traction with comfort by getting a more comfortable keyboard (and probably a wrist rest, I'm looking to get one myself). One layout is likely just as good as the other, as long as you have a good setup.
The problem with alternative layouts is that what bottlenecks you in the real world is punctuation, and those layouts don’t do shit to help with punctuation, they just rearrange the letters which aren’t the problem in the first place. That kind of layout is only useful if all you care about is the fastest monkey type time.
@@zxphvr To be clear I’m coming from a programming perspective. Programming typing speed is 10000% bottlenecked by special characters and punctuation. In C++ code the 10 most common characters are ;{}()=,. Given this, can you agree with me that certain typists (programmers) are bottle necked by special characters and punctuation?
There's no inherent reason why Colemak should be better that QWERTY. Colemak assumes that the home row should be your 'resting position' where your fingers return when you don't type on the other rows, therefore your fingers have less distance to travel because the most common keys are in the home row. However, you can have the same advantage on a regular QWERTY layout by having the most common keys as your 'resting position' instead of the home row. (ASER NIO instead of ASDF JKL;)
That is how former typing champion Sean Wrona explains why colemak/dvorak users don't type faster than qwerty users in typing championships. In reality people who type very fast don't have much of a 'resting position' at all. They just move their fingers constantly, so those fingers naturally spend most of the time near the most frequent keys regardless of the layout.
Also, many (if not all) of them don't use fixed fingers for every key. For example the author of this channel usually types the letter P with his pinky, but in the word PEOPLE he types P with his middle finger.
I tried to switch layouts to dvorak, it did not go well. My typing speed went way down, and it would never reach my qwerty speeds. I switched back to qwerty and it took about a week until I was back to my normal speeds of 100 wpm
Similar experience, it was a fun learning experience though and I at one point was able to touch type on Dvorak at like 60 ish WPM. But yeah my brain was so hardwired to Qwerty I couldn’t get over it. Also it depends on how you lay your hand out on your keyboard and how big your keyboard is in general. It’s many times better to let your fingers move over the keys and give your fingers travel distance than having the important keys all put together which makes it easy to hit those keys or makes it more difficult to hit since your index fingers are going to be the fastest and most accurate….I guess it just depends trying to explain it in words but it’s kind of just a feeling lol.
I found a lot more comfortable using Dvorak than qwerty or colemak BUT it's kinda hard to switch layouts. I have almost 5 years using dvorak and i cannot imagine myself using qwerty again
qwerty is shitty dude, i am new to touch typing my max is 38 but i feel like QWERTY puts too much effort on one hand, can anyone suggest me a layout that balances between both hands effort?
the best user of qwerty says he is more comfortable with qwerty is like the world's best left-foot juggler saying it is more comfortable to juggle with left foot.
I don't think thats a great analogy - I think it's something to be considered that he is significantly faster with qwerty than anyone else is with colemak. I'd be interested to see if someone with colemak could surpass him
99.9% of people on the planet use qwerty (not because it's better but because it's standard) so statistically all the top places should be dominated by people using qwerty (and the fact there are colemak users among them already says something). it doesn't really matter if rocket is faster than the next colemak guy, what matters is if he trained colemak exactly the same amount of time, would he be slower or faster, and i think the answer is pretty clear (and colemak is not unique here, he would be faster on any modern layout) @@arpitranasaria4878
@@arpitranasaria4878QWERTY is far more widely used than Colemak, so it’d be natural for their to be more fast typists on qwerty.
@@arpitranasaria4878 No, I dont think so. Is like saying that because english is your first language (with us common english accent) and nobody beats you at spelling. Or for using an specific chess strategy...
Like all of us he has YEARS practicing with the qwerty layout, he probably trained Colemak for a couple of months and thats it.
@@arpitranasaria4878also in addition to what Axel said, there’s also far more qwerty users than colemak, so having the fastest typist be a qwerty user isn’t indicative of qwerty as an efficient nor inefficient layout
typed on qwerty since I was 3. (im 25 now) heres my 2 cents. I reached 100 wpm on qwerty but it always felt awkward and this was typing at a comfortable pace not trying to push my speed. I decided to switch to colemak dh about 1-1.5 to 2 years ago and my top speed now is 158wpm. my comfort typing speed is around 120-130. but it feels lightyears more comfortable compared to qwerty. for those thinking of switching to any alternate layout. it only takes ~month to get to 50-60wpm, 3-6 to get to 80-100 wpm and 6+ months to get 100+wpm. even if i wasnt switching for speed the switch for less handstrain and ergonomics is 100% worth it to me.
I switched to Colemak-DHk around 8 months ago. My PB on MonkeyType was 72 wpm. After typing about 130 hours with Colemak-DHk layout, I have reached 121 wpm from 0 wpm. I don't know about speed but the layout is so much comfortable. Now, my hands does not feel pain even if I type for hours. I am now addicted to typing because of the layout.
Same case about qwerty felt awkward especially when typing using my index finger, then i switch to workman layout. My top speed now is 90 wpm
I type at 170 on qwerty. And changing layouts for most people would just be a setback. Even if qwerty is inefficient it dosent matter.
Did your wrists and hands feel better after using colemak compared to qwerty ? Just wondering because op said it was more comfy for him on qwerty
@@JustMyTwoCentz no I didn’t I said it was more comfortable after switching
When I was younger I just couldn't grasp the typing with qwerty so I tried colemak and never look back, it's kinda funny to see people hunt and peck my phone keyboard lol
i did the same thing lol i first learned dvorak and im trying to learn it again
I use my own custom layout on keyboard but still use qwerty on phone. Everything is so spread out so I think it's better for thumb typing.
The main incentive to use an obscure keyboard layout is to dissuade others from using your computer. It goes great with blank keycaps and a hard to translate language for the OS and programs.
cool i have blank keyboard and use dusk layout now just have to perfect my mandarin
main incentive lol
quick answer: depends
long answer: most are familiar with qwerty anyways and if you were try and alter the standard you would be spending big chunks of your time trying to get familiar with colemak. Whats the point if you can just type on a keybaord layout you already know. BUT if you are willing you can have more potential using colemac and if you work for it you will get much higher wpm.
quick answer is more like "Depends"
@@Joshy- yeah
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Yeah switching layouts isn't the move for speed 99 times out 100. I use a workman layout right now, but I would type between 205-212 when I switched off qwerty to colemak and then when I switched to workman a couple years back, I type about 180-190. Workman is pretty comfortable for most combinations of letters, so that's why I prefer it even though I type slower.
Jeez either way that's still really fast 😅
I used Colemak for a Corne for 4 months and then switched to Graphite on a 34 key Ferris Sweep. I would agree that alternative layouts don’t give any speed boost but they are WAY more comfortable and efficient. Using a split keyboard layout with layers means my fingers never move more than one key. My accuracy is almost always 100% with numbers and symbols now too.
I started using the Colemak layout in 2022 just out of curiosity to see if I could do it. And now that I can, I forgot how to do QWERTY.
I just noticed that the spacebar keycap is reversed
Sounds and feels better that way.
R replacing S is wild
Yeah! You type slower on the the QWERTY format because thats what it was designed for! When people used typewriters they would often type so fast that the keys would get stuck together so they designed a layout where the common keys were more spread out so that that would stop happening! :)
This is a myth and a widely spread one but in the end is not real FYI, I know because I used to believe this bs too. It was spread by Dvorak’s founder and not real….
Spreading out the keys doesn't actually necessarily mean it's designed to make you slower, you could still type equally as fast
@@chessknightz It was actually designed to make you type slower but that doesn't mean you can't type fast. The only idea they had to solve the issues they had at the time was to take the most pressed keys and spread them out which is why we have this layout. Of course, now that we're used to this layout, we can still type very fast with it, but people at the time had to get used to it so it probably solved their issues however temporarily :)
@@callmethebreeze2934 Here's the thing - I changed my mind about what I said, and I think qwerty isn't that efficient, so if another alternate layout such as colemak was standardised, the average typing speed would increase. My point is that qwerty is not SPECIFICALLY designed to slow you down, only to spread out the common letters to avoid the arms of a mechanical typewriter from jamming and clashing upon each other. Even though spreading out the common keys made the layout less efficient, it wasn't intentionally designed to make you slower. I honestly do think that the amount qwerty slows you compared to other layouts is negligible, and it's just so dependent on what you're typing and how you type it.
It was designed for keys to be spread out like you said while still maintaining speed, it’s faster than ABCDEF or any other combination
Meanwhile Fenno:
What's the name of your keyboard?? can somebody tell me plsss
I'm semi preficient in both. 100 with qwerty, and 50-60 ish with colemak dh. Both have completely different typing styles. Colemak barely deviates from home row and feels a lot more 'rolly' than qwerty. You really notice more same finger bigrams on qwerty after using colemak. But most of those you learn to just avoid anyway.
Tried monkeytype Yesterday on 30second mode. Got 126 wpm is that good?
tbh if i even try my hands will just freeze my brain wont comprehend it
can you suggest me a budget mech keyboard for starting out!!
Not rocket, but the Monsgeek M1 is a good choice from what i’ve heard
how do you put the keyboard in the screen
You can definitely get faster by switching layouts if discomfort is the thing that's bottlenecking your speed.
As a former Colemak user that's now switched to Canary, I would say that if you're looking for a layout to switch to, Canary is the one to choose.
Why did you switch? Colemak DH is a more comfortable layout.
Canary is much more comfortable for me for the following reason:
Canary Left Hand: L and Y
Canary Right Hand: A, E, I, O and U.
Compare that with......
Colemak Left Hand: A
Colemak Right Hand: E, I, O, U, L and Y.
It might seem trivial to you, but getting all the vowels on one hand, and then getting L and Y on the other hand is a game changer for me.
Try typing these words on both Colemak and Canary and see which version you find more comfortable:
you
eye
key
only
paragraph
element
standard
unlikely
enemy
start
mile
draw
I should also add that Canary's C on the home row is so much better than where Colemak has C.
It means that CR RC CS SC CT TC are all bigrams that get increased comfort.
canary is barely better than colemak statistically, the hand balance is even worse than colemak
@@galileotime ikr, I had reasearched througly before switching the layout. Canary is not balanced compared to Colemak DHk.
@@garyinternet5436 The words you provided might be more comfortable but if you consider whole dictionary Colemak DHk is more comfortable according to various keyboard analysis tools.
I don't ever think going from something that is muscle memory to something you need to learn will help with speed or efficiency in a timely enough matter. Just change to the voice command layout if you want to be faster.
I do it because I'm afraid of carpal tunnel and qwerty makes you move a lot more.
Dvorak layout?
What is the model of your keyboard?
QWERTY is legit the default settings
Oowww … so thats how he did it .. he maximized the lay out and practice… DUUUDEEE ✨✨✨✨✨
I have over 20 years invested in qwerty im not gonna relearn where the keys are
My mom uses azerty💀
Well she's probably French, I imagine...
One question. Is it better to place your right thumb on the spacebar rather than your left?
depends on what thumb you use to type space, and which one feels more comfortable
The thumb of your dominant hand will be better for typing the space bar
do you type on colemak? or a different one
Finally someone who speaks the truth xD
Can you do workman international keyboard
what theme is that its sewing tin but white I like
What is my typing method called? I don't look at the keybord and I only use my left index finger, right middle finger and thumbs for typing. I only use my thumbs for the spacebar and move my hands around the keyboard. Needless to say, this is not the right way to type 💀💀💀💀
but if you change layout you must aware about shortcut key at all application
I disagree, the switch is totally worth it. In my experience I got frustrated with qwerty after I couldn't get past the 60 wpm roof. I started with colemak last year in October and I could type 120 wpm+ a few months ago.
Theme?
praise Colemak
JASHE
Tell me this website name brother 🙏
monkeytype
six months late but its called monkeytype
I wrote this in azerty!
i have 110 wpm i wanna reach 200
good luck, thats a very long way
200 WPM is like top 0.01% of actual competitive typist in the world lol, good luck. Most people GENETICALLY cannot do this because they don’t have long enough fingers or fast enough hands. I type at peaks of 150 WPM and have averaged 120 WPM and I’m like top 1% in typeracer on that site which is where all the competitive typists are at lol. Search it up and see for yourself it’s a great way to ground yourself in reality of what’s actually real in terms of typist out there, what you’re seeing is a dude who’s one of the top typist in all the world. It’s like seeing a McLaren and thinking this is obtainable for most people or boobs that 34 H natural cups ❤ and thinking that tons of girls have those, reality is social media just shows you the most extremes and not realities.
Your best layout is not mine
What about dvorak
My PR was with Colemak, but since banks, offices, and pretty much any public keyboard out there uses Qwerty, I still use Qwerty.
I'm still typing 130 with Qwerty so I'm chilling. Practicality before anything.
How can bro Typ that fast tell me the secret
Your getting 300WPM while my best is only 46WPM
Colemak is too heavy on the right hand. There are better layouts. Also non-english languages do not work well with Colemak. Finally other layouts over many more rolls. So when you switch do not choose colemak! For Germans AdnW and the variants are far better, btw. also better for only English that Colemak.
Now do dvorak
Honestly, I think you'll get more traction with comfort by getting a more comfortable keyboard (and probably a wrist rest, I'm looking to get one myself).
One layout is likely just as good as the other, as long as you have a good setup.
I wrote this comment in colemak
The problem with alternative layouts is that what bottlenecks you in the real world is punctuation, and those layouts don’t do shit to help with punctuation, they just rearrange the letters which aren’t the problem in the first place. That kind of layout is only useful if all you care about is the fastest monkey type time.
you have no idea what you’re talking about lmfao
@@zxphvr no you have no idea what you’re talking about
@@noddle045 no typist is bottlenecked by punctuation idk wtf you're on about - stupid point to make
@@zxphvr To be clear I’m coming from a programming perspective. Programming typing speed is 10000% bottlenecked by special characters and punctuation.
In C++ code the 10 most common characters are ;{}()=,.
Given this, can you agree with me that certain typists (programmers) are bottle necked by special characters and punctuation?
@@noddle045 HUH?????. Dvorak programmer, Colemak DH???? Both literally made with programming in mind...
There's no inherent reason why Colemak should be better that QWERTY.
Colemak assumes that the home row should be your 'resting position' where your fingers return when you don't type on the other rows, therefore your fingers have less distance to travel because the most common keys are in the home row.
However, you can have the same advantage on a regular QWERTY layout by having the most common keys as your 'resting position' instead of the home row. (ASER NIO instead of ASDF JKL;)
But the bottom row would then be two rows away from your home row. Feels like a pretty inherent weakness to me.
Just realized that I misunderstood you slightly. Although that finger arrangement sounds pretty uncomfortable to me 😅
That is how former typing champion Sean Wrona explains why colemak/dvorak users don't type faster than qwerty users in typing championships.
In reality people who type very fast don't have much of a 'resting position' at all. They just move their fingers constantly, so those fingers naturally spend most of the time near the most frequent keys regardless of the layout.
Also, many (if not all) of them don't use fixed fingers for every key.
For example the author of this channel usually types the letter P with his pinky, but in the word PEOPLE he types P with his middle finger.
gallium 200 when 😊
People who plays fps game : 😰
switch to colemak
I tried to switch layouts to dvorak, it did not go well. My typing speed went way down, and it would never reach my qwerty speeds. I switched back to qwerty and it took about a week until I was back to my normal speeds of 100 wpm
Dvorak is super old and not really much better than qwerty
Similar experience, it was a fun learning experience though and I at one point was able to touch type on Dvorak at like 60 ish WPM. But yeah my brain was so hardwired to Qwerty I couldn’t get over it. Also it depends on how you lay your hand out on your keyboard and how big your keyboard is in general. It’s many times better to let your fingers move over the keys and give your fingers travel distance than having the important keys all put together which makes it easy to hit those keys or makes it more difficult to hit since your index fingers are going to be the fastest and most accurate….I guess it just depends trying to explain it in words but it’s kind of just a feeling lol.
@@jebril I know what you mean
I found a lot more comfortable using Dvorak than qwerty or colemak BUT it's kinda hard to switch layouts.
I have almost 5 years using dvorak and i cannot imagine myself using qwerty again
I switched to Dvorak
I typed fir 6 mo on qwerty and got stuck on 110 wpm for 6 months then I switched to dh and on day 39 I got 132 that was yesterday (t60)
I saY nO
99
Lol WASD became WARS
Is blud tryahrding in typing 💀
I use Qwerty, but I want to learn Dvorak as an alternative.
dont, dvorak sucks
100
fax yo
I have colmack, def not comfortable.
Try inova keyboard
I think you are just biased becaus ethe amount of qwerty practice.
He is right tho almost all the fastest typists in the world use QWERTY
@@zanies6288 I am aware this is a trend and i give the same explanation
Then give a turtorial, Bruh
Dvorak top
qwerty is shitty dude, i am new to touch typing my max is 38 but i feel like QWERTY puts too much effort on one hand, can anyone suggest me a layout that balances between both hands effort?
dvorak is made for alternating the hands as much as possible
@@luimu dvorak is right hand dominant, qwerty is left hand dominant
this dude telling me that qwerty is more comfortable
me mf finds colemak more easy and faster than qwerty
Are my hands good or bad
I am made different
comfort is subjective
Wasd gang
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dvorak keyboard
Can someone explain to me how am i getting 160 wpm with qwerty and i use only 3 fingers
whats there to explain? lol
Play among us
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as an gamer you guys already know my layout :)
qwerty