FFXIV - Is Pictomancer Overpowered?
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Hey everyone, Eggchen here! In this video, I'm diving into how the Pictomancer job has taken the top spot as the DPS king in FFXIV. I'll discuss and explain a bit about FF logs, how parses are examined, and what the development team is doing to balance things, even though nothing is set in stone.
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I'd rather see BLM buffed (and a lot of its rotational strictness around Flare Star, Thunder, and no Ice Para fixed) than PCT nerfed. I think having non-raise casters being able to duke it out with the melee top dogs is generally a good thing.
If BLM isn't pushing out pure damage, much like SAM, then there's no reason to take it over a job with far more utility, of which the other casters have in droves.
This! Just buff BLM and leave PCT alone
A caster like picto should not be doing more dmg then melee jobs if u buff blm all u do is make every team run double caster pitco needs a nerf
@@Xwhitewolf965X Yeah, because double melee is ok but double caster is not....
@Necrostrike alot of mechs are designed around 4 melee 4 ranged I'm not saying other casters shouldn't get buffs they should but if u buff then to pitctos lvl melee as an option would be obsolete no up time problems no positionals nothing just play caster picto needs to be nerfed a tad then bring other casters to its lvl both 2 melee and 2 caster should be viable but atm it's 2 melee u buff other casters and don't touch picto it will be 2 casters all the time there needs to be a balance
What is this broken logic. BLM should do more but not picto, picto has utility why should it be higher than selfish dps jobs. Nope, if MCH can be dogwater for years, I wont accept letting picto being better than melees. Until MCH is allowed to be a proper selfish dps job for once f all that.
BLM sucks is the issue if u are goin to take away the playstyle and make it rigid and then on top of that make it do mediocre dmg thats just not it fam
Preach it brother!
Why have a job that takes all day to do one simple ability black mage is from the old ARR days when mobility was a big thing the game been going the more mobility route on every expansion which make jobs like blm difficult so you would have to give them all that damage to make up for all the lack of mobility that job has to compensate for what it’s lacking.
@@DarkSkillchain yea but that’s the biggest issue from EW to DT in Ew they got blm to that exact spot gameplay wise you had flexibility in your rotation to increase your mobility with out losing dps and then they took away the optimization in this xpac
I have always healed and havent looked to much into it personally, but isnt Black Mage usually on the lower end the beginning of an expansion due to being so reliant on sub stats?
I think by the end of any tier blm is either #1 or #2. But I think you are right that beginning of any tier it's behind and ends up being tuned quite a bit
While that's true, it's never been to this extent. BLM is usually #3 or 4 at the start of an expac. On launch, it was just barely pulling ahead of RDM and getting beat out by Ninja (which relies way more on substats; Ninja is always shit on launch)
@@tenjiechin Yeah true does seem a little worse than normal right now.
If we look at a normal PF scenario, I don't think that the 95th+ percentile is going to be the standard, we will probably see 75th to 80th max, where viper and reaper easily take the top spots. While picto is good in an optimal scenario, there's no need to panic. We can also take into consideration the 1% dps increase that was discovered by removing the aetherhues buff manually to pump out more water casts. With that removal, alone, the 95th percentile parses will adjust, accordingly. (Black mages still are a bit lower than expected)
lol look at ffxlogs.. first 150 some odd logs all but a couple spots.. Pictomancer.. overpowered by a country mile. Why even melee until Picto gets nerfed? All the perks of damage, half the mechanics to worry about? Ranged Tax = 0%
They can never allow a caster besides BLM to outshine the entitled mongo melee, and the only reason they allow BLM to compete is because it's so outrageously rare for it to perform on par with melee that in practical terms most melee will still outshine most BLMs.
Ridiculous game balance entitlement, when melee barely have to worry about uptime anymore, true north has trivialized positional frictions, they have 10-11k more hp than casters with better self sustain and snap mobility. Melee LB3 is the most useful LB3 by far.
But it is never enough. Casters have to rot with the physical ranged dps over some shitty swiftcast rez that is of niche relevance in most content that ehavily punishes deaths with tight dps checks or body checks.
Right now, pictomancer has EVERYTHING. High mobility, high damage, buffs and mitigations. I think they should just lower some potencies, because the gameplay is really good, it's like a summoner-black mage hybrid. About the other jobs, I can't say because I'm kind of biased against the leveling pattern in this expansion (at least for the classes I leveled, Viper, Pictomancer, Warrior and Bard). The role action buffs are really nice, 40 second Swiftcast is huge, but classes like Warrior get just one more button. It's not that I don't like it, it's just that for me it doesn't feel "powerful" enough for level 100.
Appreciate the insight
Picto definitely has less instant casts than Summoner has, but being able to slidecast almost everything without losing DPS is great for them.
@@RainbowLizardOne yes. It's an incredibly fun job.
The only thing black mage doesnt have are buffs. They have all the others.
@@dragonhearthx8369 I wasn't criticizing black mage, I haven't tried DT black mage yet, I was talking about pictomancer's polyedricity in relation to it's damage. Yes, black mage has them too, but very different and much stricter, since black mage is constantly casting long spells when it's outside Triplecast or Leylines. There's not much to talk about, at least not until the release of savage and the savage fixes, but I think that black mage should still be the highest damage job.
I don’t think any job should do more than a pure selfish dps job like BM
I think you are 100% right on that.
Ive unlocked both but haven't touched them yet, partly because i can't decide which one to focus on. Initially ive been wanting to do Pictomancer so maybe.
I finished MSQ with my main and now working on the crafters and gatherer's.
Having a stockpile of 90+ leve quests has helped with gathering levelling.
Kind of in the same boat as you. Hoping they pan it all out by savage tier
I'm not even bothered by the amount of damage PCT does, but the utility it has. Historically, having more utility took a 'tax' on a job's damage. PCT has a 20% HP mit, 10% party mit (both on low cooldowns given you're using them right), a gapcloser with inherent sprint, and a 5% raidbuff which also personally benefits the PCT. You don't lose your whole gauge on death, it's very forgiving to play, and it has too many movement tools for a caster. It should not be top DPS, or at least not higher than half of the melee and BLM OR they need to rethink their utility:damage ratio balancing for ALL jobs, not just the new ones.
Yeah seems like they are the total package right now
It's not just that picto does more damage than BLM, it's that the playstyle is basically the same as BLM but easier.
Pct is fine, other classes have suffered at the bottom since the beginning while blm has been at the top forever. It's not like blm has become bottom tier or useless. And it's not like PCT is miles ahead of the class below it.
Edit: If you actually look at the logs, it shows that these numbers are for dungeons, which is a high movement activity, of course BLM will be lower, but if you bring up actual DPS (not normalized) BLM is on top, meaning they're still pushing out top damage if I'm reading that right. Also, there's 6800 PCT parses with only 1900 blm parses.
If you look at just damage to bosses in the dungeon parses, Viper is actually on top (both norm and per sec) with pct behind it and then sam, etc. BLM is in the middle. Again the delta between the classes is minimal, they need to just either improve BLM numbers (which I believe they're doing) or improve the game play (which blm gameplay is horrible in my opinion). PCT also has a bug where they achieve higher dps by removing the buffs (however that works), which could also be affecting these numbers. As of right now that's *all* SE is doing to PCT.
Again, wait until raids are out and we get numbers from that, gauging dps from dungeons is pointless.
The numbers are from ex trials not dungeons.
@@MrTomahawk47 Ah I see, they didn't pop up for me for some reason, but even then the argument is even worse:
Currently PCT is 3rd in rdps and 4th is ndps and adps in EX trials (both aggregate and per second). With BLM actually having higher potential highest NDPS than PCT. Also, all the top performers are melee, so it stands to show that a movement based fight will give melee and more mobile classes a bigger benefit than turret based classes. And even then BLM is still performing better than SMN in Rdps.
The issue isn't with PCT, it's with BLM. People are just eager to point fingers at new classes instead of their own.
Also, looking at the actual numbers, there's around 1k dps difference between the pct and blm averages. Barely worth talking about.
Its trials numbers not dungeon. The bug dps increase is actually not more than 1% so its not because of that and i doubt even then 1% of logs for pictomancers actually does it. Pictomancer is supposed to show a worse number since its a new class and the playerbase is not familiar with it. The class is not as easy either compared to say summoner, viper or reaper either. BLM should be higher but i don't tink PCT should be this high. It should probably be more in line with the melee dps that aren't viper or samurai. Reaper seem slightly overtuned as well looking at logs but I think you can chalk it up as being the easy class for now to do new content.
PCT is fun as hell in PvP. They get a Madeen death ray cannon that binds and also tends to kill anyone hit by it and has insane range, they get a set of instacast spells (Aero in Green etc.) and a set of slower casting but more damaging spells (Blizzard in Cyan). Smudge helps them escape sticky situations, and their LB is an AoE regen + defense boost.
the classes are pretty balanced in numbers for anything to be necessarily stupid op to need nerfs, i think black mage does need some potency buffs to justify its playstyle but it always gets some love and potency buffs since its usually weaker at the beginning of an expac
Just a heads up, the Discord link on your website has been dead for at least a couple of days I think
I adjusted it today should work now.
Picto damage will remain the same just no buff for the next 2 years.
people are complaining about picto when the next three classes in the game are the most braindead dps classes in the game. picto has to atleast manage movement with their abilities and their two minute window is can be stressful when leaving and having to return to finish getting the buff. the other classes dont have to adjust anything viper only has three buttons they are getting rid of some positional. if there was any class to be mad about it's viper.
My initial impression of viper sounds about the same as yours. The rotation wasn't enjoyable for me
The AOE is just terrible, and the level 100 new skill is equally awful but I'm sticking to my BLM because it's the only class I like, and I only do very casual content so I'm not changing my rotation while I still play but, each time I forgot, and run out of mana, several seconds were wasted pressing buttons I never used before. Probably the healers did more damage than me, several times, thankfully it was roulette
For those which changes jobs according to their enjoyment or damage, I don't think there's any reason to play BLM, you still have the long casts but with lesser damage, and to top it all, you have to manage your mana. Such delightful new playstyle!
Glad this is getting addressed early, I don't think them being a little stronger is an issue right now, but I could easily see people wanting 4 pictomacers only for the upcoming savage raids just for that few extra % faster clears.
No savage raid group would be running 4 pictos. Ffxiv doesn’t really work like that. You lose so many raid buffs and utility it’s not worth it.
That's not how savage works.
I saw somewhere of the DPS in TOP. PCT is absolutely blowing every single job out of the water in that fight. It's incredibly overtuned. How this was allowed to go past QA is wild. I remember when starting DT, I glanced over at PCT after getting a handle of it's rotation and was shocked at how often the high potency skills are used so I knew this data was gonna come out eventually. And when the trials came out, I wasn't wrong. PCT, a job that isn't that hard to play, shreds on everyone else. I know SE won't nerf it so they're going to buff all the jobs instead, which is a double edged sword.
Problem is BLM does so little damage. High Fire and High Blizzard got gutted basically, each one doing only a measly 100 potency so they're not even useful for AOE. AOE is now just High Blizzard, Freeze, Transpose, Flare x2, Flarestar. Just flat out skip high fire. As for single target, yes the ceiling was lowered a bit but PCT is still far easier to play than BLM and is just flat out better. The buff to enochian was not enough.
Because they don’t play there game that’s how you get over sight like this now I’m use to this job dps once it’s nerfed to please all the complaining I probably won’t play it any more like they did ninja , bard , mch an other jobs I enjoyed so I guess black mage is suppose to be the top dps it’s been like that almost the whole life span of this game
It needs high potency to make up for the several seconds lost within combat ( such as raids, not dungeons ) painting.
Picto is fine as is tbh. It’s not the strongest job by far. What they need to do is either make blm not be shit or remove some of the buffs from picto. I like the idea of having a caster on par with blm, like viper with samurai. Would be a shame to ruin that tbh
Rdps has picto ahead on fflogs. And they are shown in the video. I didn't make this stuff up
picto is not fine as it is, it has way too much and outperforms literally every other class in most scenarios xD
blm needs potency buffs
picto needs some slight potency nerfs but let him keep his utility cause that one is huge
@@_ZeshiaI like this. Just nerf the potency a bit. I love the current abilities.
It’s either overpowered or the other casters are underpowered. It has healing, shields and a party buff yet is still on top. By their own logic (it’s selfish dps so it should be high) doesn’t follow.
The other casters are underpowered and have even since Endwalker. SMN and RDM have been dealing 1-1.2k less DPS than melee for an entire xpac. A swiftcast rez is not worth that much DPS.
@@Necrostrike Itd be nice if they were 1k below melee. I think it’s closer to 3+ rn?
@@kennys6288 1k was already grossly unacceptable when prior to Shadowbringers the differences would be at most 400 dps. There is no reason why niche utility should be costing classes 20%+ performance deltas.
This melee supremacy entitlement needs to go away and BLM need to stop holding their class hostage with restrictive and punishing design to justify their large dps gap over casters. Ask for your class to be more practical in prog instead of yelling at people that it should remain super hard but you should do 1k+ more dps because of it.
Nobody chooses for their class to be easier than some other class, so they shouldn't be punished with huge deltas for playing the class that aesthetically appeals to them.
It might have healing but it's literally only available in its burst window; you can't just heal your party to help the healer like dancers can. Most of the time it's come up in combat for me no one even needs it; the healing just needs to be nuked and make that skill raw damage if we can't heal to actually help when it's needed
How about Buff every job to pair to pictomancer , ffxiv community is annoying can’t have any job that does good damage with out someone like well if my job can’t do that damage then this job is broken like Ninja like bard an many other jobs that came out with great dps now they suck ninja damage is so awful now days monk is bad bard is bad mch is bad blm always been the top dog because everyone assume due to it being yoshi P job he play as game will never be balance there always going be a job that does more than another either had support jobs that don’t do as much damage an do more utility or make all the dps jobs the same dps an the player would be the reason why they top of the chart
Sounds like a bunch of bs. Pct is fine just the way it is. Stop whining
reported
you can't report someone for going to a website LMAO
If you use parse or logs in ff14 then you’re part of the problem.
What's the problem?
God forbid getting data about the game from a website.
Snowflake. If you don't want to know your own performance, you're a delusional player.