POP PUNK TIER LIST
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2021
- The pop-punk tier list is here! We put Sum-41, Blink-182, NOFX, Descendents, Pennywise, The Story So Far, Bowling For Soup, MXPX, Hit The Lights, Screeching Weasel, Fenix-TX, Millencolin, Slick Shoes, 5 Seconds Of Summer and more on the pop-punk tier list!
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Finally I love pop punk. I like hearing your honest opinions like how you dislike black metal and how you think danzig sucks. I like BM and I like misfits but I don't mind opinions lol it's just taste
Big question what genre even is a day to remember? Do they count as pop punk
Face 2 Face was banging...
And the Smash album will always hold a special place with me..
@@aestheticbeatz5700 I think I know where He is coming from with the Danzig sucks. For us that grew up listening to them 30 years ago, the BRAND got diluted down to a t-shirt being sold at Hot Topic and worn by people that I would put money on that can't even name 1 song. And Jerry Only turned it to shit.
And we all found out Glen Danzig was a total Douche Bag. So it made it hard to still like them.
I think when they had the new singer - Graves - it was a great come back for them. Love Him or Hate him, you had 2 great versions. Like Van Halen, with 2 great singers but everyone always talked about how the other sucked. Why can't you like both. You just can't compare one to the other, or yes, you will hate the other.
@@aestheticbeatz5700 They are extremely big fans of the genre. But I would say no. Pop punk doesn't scream. And use of breakdowns the way they used to do em. They arent pop punk. But definitely influenced.
As an European, I can explain : if you except GB, english is not our native language. Our tolerance towards "not that good" bands is hugely based on the fact that we dont care about the lyrics that much. I'll gladly admit that it took me years to find out that The Offspring or Good Charlotte were so corny. And the other thing you have to keep in mind : we are not used to see a lot of those bands, we cant just go to a random US festival and see international superstars, so when they do come, yeah, we make it a big deal. Even in France we dont get to see huge UK bands that much, at least at their peak, like AA or BMTH. So yeah, we settle for Escape The Fate or Bad Omens. Finally, when the big bands are huge in the US, they rarely come for more than a couple shows in our continent, so yeah, we pay to see Hollywood Undead in 2018. But that doesnt mean a lot of us are not well aware of what we paid for.
Good point about the language issue!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA (but dont get me wrong, I find your jokes about European tastes hilarious)
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA i wonder what you think about offsprings Come and play song do you find that song corny too?
A little, but not nearly as bad as some of their other stuff
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA tbh i personaly cant see any corny element in that song probably there are a lot cornier songs of Blink than that song but tnx for anwsering my very random question 🤘
MxPx is one of those bands that never got mainstream success but has influenced a ton of artists that have come after
Like ADTR. Exactly.
When I was in bands in the early two thousands Avery young bass player wanted to be mike Herrera.
Idk why, but whenever I see the name MxPx, I think of Fenix, Tx....possibly because I heard both for the first time the same day. Rofl
@@darkunicornvet8798 that must have been a fun day. Tearjerker is still on my playlist from Fenix. My life story from MXPX is also in my playlist still.
@@kevincollins8620 I am one of 9 children (step brothers and sisters and a half sister and half brother). I have the widest mix of music selection. I shared a room with my step brother who would sleep listening to cannibal corpse and other 90s death metal, I have 2 step sisters who were more into indie and alt rock so incubus, death cab for cutie, thrice, modest mouse, alkaline trio and Thursday (I watched a kid severe his spine in the pit during "understanding in a car crash".) And my parents listened to everything from galaic rock and country to punk and psychedelic rock. My step dad jammed with king crimson back in the 70s. So I have had a WIDE array of music
"This song is 10 years old isn't that terrifying" the fact A Day To Remember is almost TWENTY years old is insane
Stop
We’re old now fml
Wat
Sum 41 has a lot more metal influential stuff than pop punk stuff, they’re great
They mention it in their song Fat Lip
There is such a thing as pop metal
They were self-aware (like Blink-182) in early music videos, I think that made them likeable
2 people who i showed sum 41 too were like this sounds more like metal then punk lol
The whole reason I picked up guitar is sum farty one
I would think Millencolin could tour in Europe seeing how they are from Europe.
I think what he meant is...people in Europe don't have as good of an understanding for American hardcore and pop punk music lol
@@startervisions Have you seen some of the bands that were on Burning Heart? I'm pretty sure their understanding of it was just fine.
@@ohalistair well...I haven't heard of that yet so I gotta look it up. But I would also say that Amercians don't know how to capture that UK post punk vibe either.
@@startervisions That's probably because most dont speak English 🤣 UK and US very similar though we sort of feed the world our music and both produce alot of great bands.
@@startervisions Burning Heart is a Swedish label, that distros for Epitaph in Europe, and Epitaph does the same for them in the US.
As well as Millencolin, it's had the likes of Refused, Raised Fist, Boysetsfire, and American Nightmare on it, just to name a few.
i'm an unapologetic fan of MxPx. "Life in General" and "Slowly Goin The Way Of The Buffalo" are incredible pop-punk albums. Also, my skate/pop-punk band that i played drums in opened a show for them back in 2000 or 01. that was probably the highlight of our whole career and i'm not even mad a bit about that.
What was your band's name?
MXPX was one of my favorite bands growing up. They got me into punk and broadened my horizons.
Same
Same
I like how those tier lists are thought out whereas I would only rank by how much I like them.
That's the better way to rank them. Who cares how popular they got
I like thought out, but it pissed me that he ranked Slick shoes so low, when he straight up admitted he knew nothing about them. totally unfair
@@benjaminwatt2436 He's clearly a snobbish idiot. Millencolin below Neck Deep, whaaaat ?! No way. He knows nothing.
@@heric_ 🤨
Millencolin's Pennybridge Pioneers is one of my all time favorite pop punk albums so just for that album I'd put them higher.
As a massive Millencolin fan let me add a few thoughts: some of those things you said were true, yes! They were big in Europe (and Australia where I am from). They got big from Tony Hawk soundtracks. Their early music was pretty basic. Though I feel like they really hit their straps in the 2000's which you didn't comment on. I think their 90's stuff was fun, but immature and poorly produced. Pennybridge Pioneers and Kingwood were both awesome albums imo.
One of their music videos was filmed in Adelaide while they had time off from, I think, Big Day Out, one year.
Also, Pennybridge Pioneers is God Tier, and they deserved every bit of fame they got from THPS2.
@@ohalistair Agreed. Pennybridge Pioneers is one of the greatest pop/skate punk albums of all time.
Trew brew also gave them a bit of momentum back in 2015. I think they are a great band and they continue to be alongside Bad Religion a corner stone for epitaph
Where my life on a plate fam
The thing about Mxpx is that they actually did come from a DIY scene in Bremerton, WA. Listening to podcasts with Mike Herrera (singer, bassist), Washington had some really archaic drinking laws so anybody under 21 couldn’t really go into bars and venues where shows were happening. So when they were coming up in the early 90’s, they had to improvise by putting on shows at VFW halls, Boy Scout halls, churches, etc. just to be able to play anywhere.
They’re also pretty chill with bands I never would have imagined they would have been, like Anti-Flag, Descendents/All, Sick of it All, The Suicide Machines, Goldfinger (Mike plays bass for them), Blink-182, Nofx (they covered Franco-Un American a few years back with updated lyrics reflecting what’s been going on), Less than Jake, The Movie Life, NFG, Circa Survive, Slick Shoes, and many others. They’ve gotten away from the Christian scene, and they’ve been DIY for a number of years now.
I love MXPX, saw them a ton in Orange County growing up. I don’t think they were as much a Christian band as a band of Christians. Great dudes.
i 100% agree they have been one of my favorite bands for years and they put on great shows
Remember seeing the video for “Chick Magnet” by MxPx in 1997 on M2/MTV2.
I remember seeing the “Milo” logo on T-shirts and stickers in ‘85 or ‘86.
No, I didn’t have a pet woolly mammoth growing up, lol 🦣 🪨
I can confirm what the original comment said. Most of wave or emocore post kinda bands definitely rocked with MXPX. I said in another comment in my area of CT we loved MXPX. less than Jake got love early on, weasel was legendary. I'm from the legendary El N Gee club up there. The shows I saw as a Lad definitely shaped my youth
Circa Survive seems out of place from the list lol
As an "not that picky" European kid in the 2000's, Sum 41 as to be S tier. They were the biggest pop punk band after Blink and over Good Charlotte and The Offspring.
Sum 41 was underrated in the States...
And billy talent and green day also fit in that group of popular pop punk bands.
SUM41 They've also had a world tour in Asia. They are quite popular in Asia as well.
Screeching Weasel is S+ Tier
They're pretty good
Fool
They have good songs but no, nothing outstanding
@@AportesKike yeah ok weasel are almost as important as Ramones learn some respect lol
i loved millencolin in high school (penguins and polar bears especially). i found they had quite a specific sound
I love that Nicola popped up recently in a Mikey and his uke cover!
This guy knows nothing. Millencolin is a GREAT band. Unique pop-punk sound.
HELL. YES. Penguins and polar bears was FUCKING FIRE
Obviously, this is your list and I respect that but I would like to make one point in Screeching Weasel's defense. Both Mark and Tom of Blink have mentioned them as one of their biggest influences. Mike Dirnt has mentioned that as one of his favorite bands. I mean, if the cream of the crop in the pop punk world says they're an influence on them, I'm not sure F tier is fair. Blink even covered one of their songs on the Buddha record. Which, I believe but could be wrong, is the only cover they ever recorded on one of their albums as opposed to a "punk goes..." compilation.
I was coming to make this same point. They obviously aren't the greatest band of all time. But, they aren't F tier either.
Yea, F tier is ridiculous. They were huge in the 90s, they also had crossover fans from pop punk and punk rock. He puts them at F tier and then puts hit the lights at C tier 🤔🤔🤔
I'm pretty sure Mike actually played for them before they broke up or something.
@@ggnadeknight7733 he did! Came here to mention that haha.
@@ggnadeknight7733 how to make enemies and irritate people. If I hadn't been obsessed with green day in the mid 90s, I never would have discovered screeching weasel, who musically ended up being a bigger influence on me than green day.
Great video. With MxPx, if you (not Finn, just anyone) separate them in your mind from being connected to the Christian music industry and just listen to their records… they put out so many great songs, and are still going today. They’ve definitely earned a spot up with the best of them.
I don't give christian groups any chances on account that I'm agnostic, the only ones I like are Skillet and Creed
@@linainverse9369 Mike Herrera, the leadsinger of Mxpx is agnostic too. They aren’t a Christian band anymore
The best thing about skatepunk is how it does all sound the same and generic. Thats why i love it so much. You know exactly what you're getting 😅
The energy!
@@mauriciomartinez8188 Exactly. It's all about the energy.
Glad to see the Pokinatcha punk. I was growing up in Bremerton/Silverdale in the mid 90s at the same time MxPx was in Central Kitsap so they'll always have a special place in my heart. It was awesome to watch them go from a local high school band to what they are today. Great to see Mike is part of Goldfinger now too.
Other way around, Chris from Goldfinger is apart of MxPx.
Mike plays bass for Goldfinger now.
Weasel was doing late 90s/early 00s pop punk in the 80s, dude. They're C tier for me.
B tier to me man. They're so good.
Agreed. Ben's actions aside, they were way ahead of their time. Sleeping giant for me
Wtf...I actually really like Screeching Weasel, but come on. They were doing late 70s (literally) in the 80s and 90s. Literally a carbon copy of Ramones.
@@musicdude1540 Maybe the specific albums in which they did that Ramonescore thing. But Boogadaboogada and My Brain Hurts is what I'm talking about
@@pantsnjacket381 they never did anything but rip off Ramones... and I had a weasel tattoo, haha
The Millencolin disrespect got me heated lol
Ramones to me is the top pop punk band ever they started it all
@@IMAGE_NT_HEADERS They were poppish in any possible way. They were on major label and had very melodic sound. They were pop-punk but purists want you to think they were "real punk" LOL It's kinda funny since the term "punk" wasn't even a a thing during those years
Mike from mxpx is very humble really nice dude to everyone
MXPX “life in general” and NOFX “punk in drublic”
🤦♂️
Punk in drublic beast!
Fun fact: Bowling for Soup vocalist does all the in-house songs for Chuck E Cheese
They even did the phineas and ferb intro
Let's pull out those Airwalks, tube socks, and Tito Ortiz flame trunks and try to make Pop Punk's new style
Regardless of your feelings on the singer of screeching weasel. Which I totally get. I'm pretty sure Tom delonge said their record "My Brain Hurts" was one their main influence while writing dude ranch. They deserve a higher rating for influence. Green days bass player played on one of their records and highly influenced green days sound.
Jughead has a podcast and had Mass Giorgini on an episode. They mentioned Ben's shortcomings but call him a genius. His weakest stuff is still great.
Blink also covered the girl next door on their first album Buddha, screeching weasel was probably one of blinks primary influences. You can hear it in their riffs
Ya. This guy is a goof for rating them this low. No reason to watch the rest of the video.
An hit the lights is higher than Weasel
*spitting my coffee out
Who the Eff are they!?
Screeching Weasel is legendary in my opinion
Screeching Weasel is still my all time favorite band.
Same!
Same them and Ramones
Almost all of the music I listen to sounds like SW or Jawbreaker.
@@joemiller7082 good taste
Damn the band has a place in my heart
There's a good reason mediocre pop-punk bands did decently in Europe*. The scenes were much smaller, and this means that there was probably very little local competition in the genre. People in Germany aren't going to listen to a pop-punk band singing in Spanish, which limits things even more. Wikipedia lists the USA as having around 350 pop-punk bands. The UK lists 11. France has 4. If you liked pop-punk, US bands were the only option.
* let's not forget The Ramones had to come to Europe to find any kind of success too.
In general I think pop-punk struggled in Europe overall because of the look - guys in their early 20s in knee length shorts, wearing baseball caps backwards, and sounding kind of whiny - it's like an embodiment of negative American youth stereotypes.
Speaking of French pop punk. The Flying Donuts are such a great band.
I agree. Hoever, it's also interesting that a lot of bands that are huge in the US never got remotely that big in Europe. The Descendents are a great example. When I got into Pop-Punk (around 2005/2006 in Germany) I didn't know anyone who was listening to the Descendents.
Your thoughts on Pennywise makes me sad… I get it. But I think you have too easily dismissed them.
They did bring something original (IMO) to the genre, originally, they just could never truly evolve it and you ended up with the one long song feeling.
Thanks for the vids all the same!
Pennywise is a solid fucking punk band. Back in the day, they were the punk band I'd always introduce to people who didn't listen to punk. That said you only have to listen to 1 Pennywise album because every album is the exact same, they've released the same album like 12 times. It's really hard to choose them over punk bands who actively experiment, improve and come out with a fresh sounding album every couple years (NOFX, Rancid, Rise Against, etc...)
Among all of the pop/skate punk bands, probably one of the rare ones to be thrash influenced. Like I understand they have a lot of similar songs but imo saying they're generic and a 1-song catalogue is a bit of a stretch. Alien =/= Society
I mean he put them in A tier, what more do you want haha
Although they have many similar songs, I feel many of the album's are clearly identifable from others. example, the ST album sounds clearly different from Land Of The Free, which sounds clearly difference to About Time, which sounds clearly different to Full Circle.
I'd say most albums post Land Of The Free do kinda follow the same formula and blur quite a bit, but within each one there are fast songs, mid tempo songs and slow songs.
Across all their albums there is definitely enough to keep them fresh to listen to. Plus they're a huge influence on so many other bands and don't have that "jock frat boy" reputation anywhere outside of North America.
Also love their posi-punk mentality. Unlike many punk bands they are uplifting and offer supportive, self empowering messages
@@Calamari5 I respect Finn’s view on Pennywise but I just wonder if he doesn’t like them because he’s only heard a few songs by them.
dude my mind is blown that 5SOS still has 18 MILLION monthly listeners on spotify...6 million more than Blink-182
They r still charting and doing numbers/sales. Also BFS did the Phineas and Ferb theme.
As a teen I loved the fact that Pennywise was so consistent with their sound. And I would hate everytime they would try to reinvent themselves, like when they started using double vocals and did an accoustic song. It was a silly extremism, but hey, it made stick with them while abandoning other bands that were trying to evolve.
Keep doing these pop punk videos, love it. I was in one of the tiny unknown bands from the early 2000s, we got to tour with a couple of these bands and crossed paths with some others.... so this is pure nostalgia for me!
90s skate punk is by far my favorite pop punk era. Strung out, pennywise, bad religion, among others.
This is missing a lot of bands that I thought would have been mentioned, so I'm definitely curious for pt.2. A few that come to mind are: Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is..., The Ataris, Saves the Day, Say Anything, Good Charlotte, NFG, Relient K, Paramore, Sugarcult, Simple Plan, Yellowcard.
The Starting Line
Also lifetime bruh like I know everyone categorized them as melodic hardcore but it’s straight pop punk 2 me fr
JOHNCOUGARCONCENTRATIONCAMP 😤lol
Rufio and Finch
Agreed there needs to be a part 2. Too many big bands missing
I really don’t think I realized how much being from Cleveland shaped my love for pop punk and metalcore with the massive amount of bands that were from Ohio.
Makes sense. A TON of amazing artists came out of O-IIIIIIIIIIIII-O
Ohio is for lovers
@@pacmanalexander someone had to say it
@@johnindigo5477 I know, right?
What please tell me some bands I love to find more bands but I love Ramonescore I don't know why that's a problem, my dad lived in Akron I only know devo, woman from pretenders and the guys from the Cars
“ I don’t like the descendents..” :( “I love the descendents” :D
Glad to see FenixTx talked about. They had chances and it just never took. All My Fault was a TRL song and Phoebe Cates was in one of the American Pie movies. Oh well… still a solid band.
Don’t forget that after a break, 5 Seconds of Summer had that huge song “Youngblood” in 2018. I feel like for the next couple of years, it was popping up in the background at restaurants and stuff. They transcended the teen girl audience, at least temporarily. I wouldn’t say the song was good, though. I prefer the Bilmuri and Lauren Babic version.
Great video, although I was kinda shocked to not see Green Day. I’ve always thought of Blink and Green Day as the two big pop punk legends as far as commercial success and being influential. I probably would’ve included Rancid too, although I guess maybe people don’t see them as pop. Nofx was always my favorite from that scene. That was a fun video.
Good call, i love Rancid but dunno if they fit here, except for a few tracks. Either way love to see them discussed
NoFX have been my fave since 90s - but I've always called them skate punk - pop punk as a genre name seems...hmm..
I think The Story So Far will always remain an S tier pop punk band for me. The lyrics, voice, instrumental, and pure dedication for their music is what made me fall in love with them. I don’t hate a single song from them. Definitely in my bucket list to see them live once
Yeah they are S tier for me. What You Don’t See was freaking huge
Agreed. None of their songs are corny like some other pop punk bands.
Oh dude, tell me how fucking unbelievably corny and fitting this is-
I saw them live right after they released their self titled album and my ex-girlfriend, who I had just gone through a very emotional breakup with, was also at the show unexpectedly. It was such an amazing show, they brought the energy so hard, and then the lyrics were so perfectly fitting for everything going on in my life and coincidentally right there at that show.
They were incredible live. Also, if anyone cares, me and said girl got back together not long after and are still together 7 years later with two kids. TSSF probably had a hand in all that 😂
Between the story so far and real friends the best two sadboi pop punk bands to date
"So Long & Thanks For All The Shoes..." such a slept on NOFX album by most people I know. Such a great album. Guitar tones sounded so angry without being drop tuned. Drums sounded great, bass sounded clean & tasty... ah, love it.
That’s the first punk album I ever bought. Kids of the k hole got me into punk. The album will always be a top 3 for me…….Mxpx life in general and less than jake hello rockview are my other 2. But so long is so damn good.
That was the last NOFX album I bought, thought there's no way they'll top this album.
@@christopherkimber7679 I don't think I would have gotten so deep into punk rock if it wasn't for Napster. I have to say though, most of what I downloaded on Napster I went back & bought the albums because I wanted a better sounding recording to listen to, liner notes, album art...etc.
As for NOFX, the "War on Errorism" is a pretty damn good album & my favorite NOFX song ("Bruce, Eddie, & Paul") is actually on their "Coaster" record.
I loved MxPx & Slick Shoes a lot back in the day too. I remember when "Life In General" came out. So good.
@@jessop- their last album is gud
Punk In Drublic is their best album, then White Trash then Ribbed
phenomenal list! Love the mxpx love!
That was fun to watch. Thanks Finn!
Love all the videos Dude!!!
I loved Pennywise, but pennywise shows were rough because the crowd. The crowd were a bunch of a little bit older, drunk , and shirtless guys that just brought the experience down a couple notches. The same guys were also at the Stungout and Bigwig shows
Punk dads with too many beers in them
Pennywise had some great songs like brohym and fuck authority bit ya, the fans kinda sucked
And massive too. Like Pennywise fans are gigantic.
What about The Dead Milkmen, Violent Femmes, Lagwagon, No Use for a Name, Less than Jake. There I'll be that guy! lol
The Vandals, SNFU, Goldfinger
@@coryleblanc I was going list Butthole Surfers. But I cant decide if they'd be mainstream punk or alt punk. I haven't heard the vandals mentioned in eons! LoL! Hmmm okay another good one who gave green day their start Operation Ivy, I suppose the clash would kinda count as pop punk now if you look back and compare them to bands out at the sometime. Such as Sex Pistols or Dead Kennedy's,, Black Flag, GG Allen, the clash was a bit more trendy cliche and radio friendly as opposed to the rest.
I don’t really think of Violent Femmes as a pop punk band tbh. I think of em as mostly folk punk.
Oh damnit now I’m being that guy 😮
@@TheFoggyHollows same or post punk
I like the fact that MXPX never had big commercial success and they had 2 albums out when I was in High School. I graduated in 1997! They were on a small label-Tooth and Nail and they have always done things their way. The early stuff is the best. Of course Blink is amazing! SUM 41 is amazing. Fun fact - Derek Whibley sings on the While She Sleeps new track "No Defeat for the Brave". Song is the tits!
My favorite moment in this stream that didn't make the edit: Finn laughing at my comment (It made my whole week lol) "Fat Mike won a silver medal at the Asshole Olympics the year Jello Biafra showed up".
Fun facts about jarret the lead singer of bowling for soup.
He is currently the voice of chucky cheese and wrote their theme.
Also wrote the theme song for phineas and ferb.
I was 30 when I discovered the Decendents by getting it on a suggested video on YT after watching a NOFX video. This was a few months ago.
This would have been my favourite band my entire childhood and teen years if I found them when I started listening to Pop Punk as a kid. I cannot believe it took me this long to find those guys.
I enjoy hearing a Finn Mckenty opinion
Pennywise is the best band of the 90's skate/pop punk band in my opinion. That's the beauty of music, opinions can be so different and nobody is wrong. Respect putting them on A list and not being a fan
I'm a big pennywise fan and realize they have soo much reach bass nectar redid brohym. I woulda put pennywise in c tier. Even tho they are early mid epitaph
Pennywise doesn't sound like any other punk band and should be at S tier
Please do a part two! I really, really, really hope to see Alkaline Trio there. I'm very curious to hear what you think about them Finn!
SAME!
Big up for making this video. For the most part agree with your tier list. Also good to see someone who is fan of pop punk actually heard of new and old bands. There’s some posers on UA-cam that claim to love pop punk but never heard of bands before modern pop punk era and Blink.
The big four of pop punk is Blink, Green Day, NFG, and sum 41
As someone who’s been into Pop Punk since childhood but somehow never managed to hear an MXPX song until my mid-20s, I’m blown away to hear they weren’t popular and not liked. Been sweeping through their albums and finding nonstop bangers that I regret not listening to earlier. I’d consider them A-tier.
I went to high school with them. Everyone knew they were big, but thought they were just meh, and had that "it's christian music" vibe that sorta polarized things. MXPX means Magnified Plaid btw, unless someone was bullshitting me.
Bloodhound Gang is a great example of a band that's huge in Europe.
especially in Germany... and for that... i would like to appologies.
I think they are...post skate punk...and proto nu metal
@@startervisions They're just comedy rap with live instrumentation. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
@@greenmind0428 haha yeah
I’ve listened to Milo Goes to College front to back countless times and it’s one of those albums that never gets old
I grew up on all these bands! NOFX, Descendants, Blink etc. Great vid....lil rough on Millencolin for mine, but loved seein all these bands
In 05 my band was booked on the triple crown records stage on warped tour for 1 date. There were problems with the generator and the stage started a few hours late so triple crown wanted to cut the bands that weren't signed to them. Folly cut their set and so did hit the lights. They even swapped spots with us and let us take the second half of their set so we wouldn't get cut. Such an unbelievable thing to do. We knew folly but we'd never met hit the lights. Amazing people.
Not sure if ramonescore is a term used to describe bands that sound similar, but if that's the case, then I would see that as a compliment. I mean, having bands that can recreate those kind of up tempo catchy songs with a slight edge is awesome. Screeching Weasel have a few songs that I absolutely love, more than any GD song. Also, for any people who want to outright banish BW they should also apply the same standard to the shitty behavior of other artists like David Bowie, Drake, Hayley Williams, etc.
Television city dream!
Hayley Williams "shitty behavior"???? What the fuck has she done that is shitty???? Oh, that's right, nothing.
@@BrianAddison94 Man wtf did she do, is this about Olivia Rodrigo LOL?
He wrote Ben weasel off so I'll right him off I would unsubscribe all of you from here if I could later losers ✌️
It's about time we get your opinions! I died laughing during your Screeching Weasel part. I've always felt the same and I didn't know why. Now I do.
Hey thanks for educating me bout 2004-2012 pop punk. I played in a skate punk until 2004, got burnt out from show after show of baaaad pop punk and totally dropped out of it for awhile. Keep up the content, learned about some rad new bands
Screeching Weasel was one of my favorite bands in college, and I still love most of their stuff. But you're pretty spot-on about their fans and that whole Ramones-core (or Raclones) scene.
Nope this is BS, Ben weasel straight up sounded even more like Ramones with his riverdales band and I love every minute of it this dude is jealous
NOFX really are that good. How many punk bands can say they never signed to a major label, did everything themselves, sold millions of records, are one of the most influential punk bands, and over 30 years later are still together and still releasing good albums regularly?
NOFX was signed to Epitaph for a while, not a major label but pretty big for the punk scene
@@akillen77 Correct. Even today though, you could still say Epitaph is an indie label.
@@akillen77 Not a major label though. You are correct, however--Epitaph was, for a long time, officially the largest independent record label in the nation (mainly due to NOFX and The Offspring, but also just all the punk bands they had when punk was breaking mainstream).
I'm on the go right now so I'll admit I skipped until I saw you talk about Sum 41, with the intention of watching the rest when I can. Really really solid and well-thought-out take there, and as a super-biased Sums fan, I think your assessment was totally fair.
The only thing I ever knew about Pennywise was the tragedy of their band member, which I learned about whilst perusing horrible websites as a child.
I think Screeching Weasel deserves a little more credit for their influence, especially with all the guitar melodies on top of the rhythm guitars that other bands copied. I would put them above The Queers as far as "Ramones-core" goes. Would have been nice to see Face to Face or Crimpshrine on this list. Descendents definitely deserve to be at the top.
As someone w a Felix the cat tat. I couldn’t agree more. Ben erase is indeed an asshole. You deny their influence hand over fist.
Too indie for Finn. He listens to mainstream crap
Crimpshrine will always be S tier for me.
I saw MxPx live when I was 11 years old playing in a church with the OC Supertones to like 50 kids. I'm 37 now. My sister cooked em dinner. My useless fact.
*puts Bowling For Soup and SR-71 in the same genre*
The “who wrote 1985?” drama is REAL
SR-71 of course.
Can’t wait for part 2!!
Hit the Lights were an interesting case. A lot of my friends that turned their noses up at bands that had very similar looks and presentation to Hit The Lights absolutely loved them. It's a bit reductive but there was a bit of a split in terms of the genders of fandoms of different bands in that era. It felt like Hit the Lights presented themselves like a band that would've been more popular with girls(bands where the guys had hair like Alex from All Time Low) but I remember my guy friends being the ones who were the most into them.
Kinda like Fight Fair
Made my day seeing Descendents in S tier 😁😁🤘🏻
Dude!! This was the best content you've put out recently! Don't forget your roots!
I freaked the fuck out when Descendents got back together in the mid 90s Real cool time
OMG you are so right about Sum41, Ioved them but EVERYONE hated on them back in the day! When Chuck came out with that heavier metal sound they really broke away from the pop punk mould and that record was awesome.
Original lineup Sum41 were amazing live. Saw them way back in the day and they did a bunch of metal covers, like Metallica, and killed it.
I loved Millencolin lol No cigar was one of the first punk songs I got onto. They were on the Epitaph compilations punkorama
Also on the Tony hawk's pro skater soundtrack!
Such a good song
Millencolin definitely deserves better treatment than Fenix TX lmao
So glad you included Slick Shoes!
Would love a part 2!
I bought that Hit The Lights record SPECIFICALLY because that album art.
We need some Unwritten Law on that list. Their self titled album is fire from start to finish. There’s not one track that I dislike.
Same
Definitely need a part two. With the first tier as reference
I can't wait for part 2!
I never thought of MxPx as a Christian band. None of the lyrics are religious in anyway - the only thing is that they put out a couple records on a Christian label
Old MxPx definitely has some religious lyrics.
@@jki8006 which album??
Their song want ad has a lyric about a girl of the lead singer's dreams talking to jesus all day long and i believe i can't pin point it but if you listen to tomorrow is another day the lead singer talks about jesus but yeah
@@G-TV_TheOneManArmy I own a couple early CDs. Religion isn’t in lyrics unless he says something like “did you fall from heaven”, ect
@@danevertt3210 oh
Great video finn, I'm as sure as I've got a crack in my arse that someone will get upset you're classing pennywise, millencolin (who yes do very well in the uk and mainland Europe because we actually get to see them more than once every never 😂) and nofx as pop punk 😂
Can't wait for pt2!
I lived in Lima, OH and worked for Omar’s mom. Omar went from Hit the Lights to a producer at a small studio in Lima.
Great video. Surprisingly, a lot of the bands I loved haven’t shown up in any of your videos. Well, some have been mentioned off the cuff. Maybe they’re trash. Or too small. What do I know about good music. But I’m just gonna put a list and hope I see a few over the coming months and years.
Mest
Zebrahead
The Ataris
Flogging Molly
LIT
Me First and the Gimme Gimmes
H2O
Gob
Brand New
Lucky Boys Confusion (my favorite band ever. Everyone check them out. Throwing the Game album especially)
Allister
Finch
Motion City Soundtrack
Unwritten Law
Letterkills (Lights Out, original version, top 5 for me)
Starting Line
Yellowcard
Senses Fail (early Senses Fail)
Rufio
I’m probably forgetting more than I’ve listed. But if a few people get turned on to some they see, then I’m happy.
Thanks for your videos.
Senses Fail, Rufio, Finch- my top 3 pop punk bands!
I think you're underestimating the popularity of Millencolin a bit here, though I understand you're only telling things from your own anecdotal evidence.
Their monthly listeners on Spotify are pretty on par with NOFX, and more than both Descendents, and MxPx.
Mikey and his Uke just released a cover (today) of Millencolin, featuring Tony Hawk, Cab, Darrin from Goldfinger, and Nikola.
I've also saw Cab play bass for them live once at Warped Tour, and it was a pretty packed crowd.
AMEN
Looking forward to part 2 - Requesting: Bouncing Souls, One Man Army, Swinging Utters, Pulley
Thanks for uploading
Thanks for watching!
Finn make everyone’s heads explode and put MGK on the next list! Was surprised not to see Yellowcard!
I saw Fenix TX with Blindside and P.O.D. on the Satellite tour. Watching them hit a blunt in front of all those youth groups in 2001 was something special.
What a weird, but surprisingly diverse, billing. Pop punk, alternative-ish semi-emo (Blinside), and nu metal. Surprised P.O.D. kept them on the tour after smoking a blunt onstage (though they were probably locked into a contract at that point).
@@crazydud3380 Blindside were origninally post hardcore, similar to their fellow Swedes in Refused.
@@perhvarnes Yes, that is a more accurate genre placement for them. Thanks!
@@crazydud3380 in all fairness, they changed their style several times over the years, so when they ran with POD they were a lot more emo than before.
Bowling for soup above Neck Deep is hard to stomach but love these videos!
Hey Finn, What is your opinion of the Vindictives? I feel like they could fit in with the pop punk tier list.
Oh, man! I LOVE TSSF's album Under Dirt and Soil! The best tracks off the album imo are Quicksand, Mt. Diablo, Placeholder, and Closure.
I hope Fall Out Boy makes an appearance in part 2. Sugar We're Going Down is a banger!
All and face to face are also amazing punk bands, definitely worthy of A/S tier 🤌🏽
I would love to see this list with just Fat Wreck Chords bands. Good Riddance, Strung Out, and face to face are all S tier to me. Well based on Finn's criteria Good Riddance is probably only A tier.
Can't wait for part two to see who else you put in the B to E tier. I know Green Day, Good Charlotte, New Found Glory and Simple Plan are coming, but I wonder what other bands might crop up that I've never heard of before.
I'm just happy to see MXPX still getting love.