LET'S ARGUE ABOUT K-POP
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2017
- In this edition of LET'S ARGUE, I take to the comments to respond to your thoughts on K-pop.
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theneedledrop Hey bb
It's so weird to me that one of the most popular arguments against kpop is the language barrier argument. How do you think people all over the world listen to american pop? Or do americans think everyone speaks english?
Most countries that listen to american pop speak english therefore a language barrier doesn't exist.... as with kpop, about ~1.2 million american citizens can speak korean according to the 2011 census (yes, I know that was 7 years ago but it hasn't changed that much since) which means, there's quite a large language barrier considering that 300+ million U.S. citizens don't speak korean.
Jetzt that's just not true. American music is listened to all over the world. I can count on my hand the number of people I know who speak english, yet virtually everybody around me listens to american music
Well but in most countries where American music is played English is taught in schools. Even though you might not understand every word of a song you still get what the song is about. If I hear a Korean song and the only word I can understand is “baby” or whatever I don’t have any connection to that song.
Still I don’t know why I even try to argue since the people who listen to kpop are in the vast majority just so narrow minded that they can’t take any form of criticism. It’s like with any other boyband... obsessive fans from the age of 10 to 15 who in a few years ask themselves how they could listen to such music. But then I guess that’s always the case with popular music, not much substance just artificial songs coming out of some kind of music printer.
lol so true. 90% of peope in russia listen to american/english music and don't know what it's about. they just don't care, they just like the way it sounds. and sometimes they can check the translation of the song and say: "well, it'd be better if i didn't do that bc the lyrics are stupid". and yes english is taught in schools, but the only things they can get from a song are very simple words like "baby"
btw english is taught in schools very poorly. mostly they teach grammar, how to read, how to write and basic words. they don't pay attention to listening and speaking at all. and i can understand english speach bc i learned it from music, interviews, movies etc. School gave me some basics, but most of it i studied myself bc i wanted to, and most people just don't have the desire. if you ask someone to speak english, they'll say something like "london is the capital of great britain", and in the worst case "london is capital of great britain". btw a lot of people think that New York is the capital of the US lol
also a small persentage of people learn german instead of english
Truth. Also not everyone cares about lyrics. Even english music I prettty much never listen to the lyrics, and even when I try I often can't understand even what english speaking artists are saying. Anytime I wan't to know lyrics for an English song I look them up and read them because that's the only way i'll ever know. So it's not a big deal that people just go look up the korean meaning and then also just enjoy the melody. For me I care about the melody way more than lyrics so I often don't even look them up. Some people super care about lyrics that why they love certain artist and songs. I have songs I think suck but my friend just loves the lyrics so much that it's like their favourite song. People are different. Music and lyrics are separate things that can be enjoyed individually and together.
Why are people acting like Kpop is a new thing...?
PrinceyP idk man
Because of the rise of BTS
It really aint lmfao
Maryam true. Probably because of the strong fanbase, the attention and their music overall. They get new fans everyday.
*i g n o r a n c e*
Go ahead and call me a weeaboo but the best K-Pop act hands down is Post Malone.
My Mom Says I'm a Champion lmaoo. I mean, he topped the charts more than once, so he’s not exactly a fraud in music.
Papa bless.
Papa bless everybody
Isn't a Weaboo an Otaku (correct me if im wrong)
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Manoodles that PART!!!
right but like i fail to see the problem?
Radioactive Snake there isn’t one lol
Doug ok touché
Beyond the music itself, a lot of kpop groups appeal as a result of their performances. Dancing hasn't been part of Western pop for a long time, but kpop takes it as a focus. I think that's really interesting
Kamal Suleiman Good point. It’s hard to not enjoy catchy songs with really fun choreography. It makes it all the more memorable and easy to digest.
But then it’s just that for more than a decade now. It’s slowly dying out.
@@pyrojinn seems to be the opposite
I used to hate kpop quite a bit just because I was a dude and all my friends thought it was gay so I just blindly agreed with them, but a couple years back I really got into the genre. Tbh I'm a simple man I just like the catchy songs, cool visuals, and awesome dance choreography. Music to me is just meant to be fun and enjoyable, I don't look that deep into it but that's just me.
Do you still enjoy kpop?
@@awa6891 Hopefully he doesn't cuz that stuff sounds generic asf
Ps: dumb comment, forget it
@@sleep9369 and that's your opinion that it sounds generic
@@sleep9369 you probrably only listened to bts and blackpink lmao.
@@momdad1818 Nope I've got a few friends that listen kpop. Some listen Day6 and other instrument playing bands, and some listen to the pop trap kind off kpop. From what i've heard I think it's just tryhard asian companies that try to make "the next" boyband (full of goodlooking asian boys and girls ofc) and copy generalized popsounds and give it a light Korean twist.. I don't like most of pop music in general..
kpop feels dystopian to me. its soooo perfect, catchy, cute and plastic that it has the opposite effect on me, it makes me uncomfortable.
Holy shit, I've never seen someone nail why I hate it.
South Korea's society is very much dystopic. They're just good at hiding it to the rest of the world. Look at the suicide rate for under 25s
got em
Nailed it for me too. I mean, I can enjoy cute, been really into Kero Kero Bonito lately. But for as long as I've been exposed to K-Pop, which would be half of my life, I just can't appreciate it. It's just so commercial. The good looks just to hook in young people like me, the dependence on choreography and music videos to gain popularity instead of the music alone. It feels exploitative and manipulative.
Is the only kpop you have listened Girls Generation and Twice?
You obviously haven't listened to any BTS, Hyukoh, Dean, Taeyang, Heize, or literally any Korean ballad lol. Even though these artists write their own lyrics and sometimes even produce their own music/play their own instruments they are still regarded as kpop.
There is a lot of extremely sad, melancholic, angry, raw Korean music out there like you would find anywhere else around the world.
even if kpop dies down in america kpop will still be relevant in asia which is still a very big market
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Exactly, I don't know why Americans think other cultures of music need Western validation.
Pencil Wisdom exactly
Pencil Wisdom They do need western validation,why do you think they always send their groups over here when they get an offer?
Pastel Princess yes and no. Whats popular in the west is popular to other continents than Asia.
fleuria i know bc i live in asia lol also asia is bc big so of course it’s gonna be more popular in some countries, but i personally live in singapore and it’s very popular here
But I have finals to take
But I have a seminar paper due tomorrow and I haven't even started doing it.
So... does that mean you want to disobey the big melon?
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well you ain't the only one
In the West, maybe kpop doesn’t have much of an impact since it’s literally derived from western music (house, trap, etc). But in the east kpop is HUGE lmao, or at least from what I’ve observed
I went to China this summer and there’s a really widespread trend (fashion, music) there...same with Japan. A lot of older people think it’s annoying tbh lol but hey, the younger generations love it
same with Japan???
We Japanese SCARCELY see K-pop groups on Japanese TV.
Only many Korean residents in Japan try to make K-pop huge, pretending they are Japanese fans.
People in the West actually grouping Kpop and Jpop together. I’m so sorry. I’m Vietnamese and I’m studying abroad so I know. But yeah, Kpop can’t penetrate Japan as easily as in China and Vietnam. Jpop is still really popular in their own country.
nippononna how so?
K pop is shitty version of j pop.
Mr. floor Not even. Both genres operate too differently to be compared. They both have a strict idol system but the way groups are packaged and produced are very different. Kpop is like the Japanese idol system met with Western music and style. Kpop uses their East meets West formula to better appeal to the younger generation and overseas listeners, whereas on the flip side Japan could care less about appealing to other countries and audiences and it's apparent in the way their groups are presented and how distinctly Japanese their music sounds.
Hell, even more 'cute' kpop groups go about their sound a much more westernized way than groups who go for the same type of image in Japan.
In the end, they're kind of hard to compare. The only similarity really is that both are in Asia and operate using an idol system. That being said Japan does have the 2nd biggest musical market in the world so every kpop group drops a few Japanese albums during their career to collect Japanese coin. Most groups essentially make their same western kpop music and add Japanese lyrics but there are groups such as KARA and TWICE (TWICE being helped by the fact that they have 3 Japanese members) who made a name for themselves by making more 'Japanese' sounding music while promoting there.
But then there are acts such as Bigbang, TVXQ, BoA, and SNSD (Girls' Generation) who made their mark in the Japanese market by just translating their sound to the Japanese audience (with SNSD's Japanese albums being even more western and EDM/ r&b influenced than their Korean releases, funnily enough).
As someone who used to hate pop, and mostly listened to rock, punk and metal, kpop is probably the most creative and amazing genre I've ever discovered. The difference between american pop and kpop is that kpop idols has trained for YEARS in both singing, dancing and rapping. Many idols have trained for 10+ years just to then join a group. The music videos, in my opinion, are way more creative than other MV's. The dancing and cinemagraphy is beyond amazing. Groups like BTS make all their music themselves and are extremely talented and genuine. Now I've only been a fan of kpop for a little over a year, and I still love other music, but I'll probably never find something that makes me as happy as korean music makes me.
P.s: Fuck racist people who bash it just because they're asian and have 'pretty faces'. Stop sitting behind a keyboard and hating on something you're not even trying to understand.
hows that racist? its just the truth
My bad i misread but I think most people are not bashing K pop artist for being Asian. They bashing K pop itself for basically being generic, that includes the need to have everyone look pretty dancing over generic catchy melodies. They are just addressing the shallowness of K pop. That nothing racist about that.
1. And that is the problem. These people are groomed and trained to be idols. They have to to look pretty and do all this extra crap to be hand picked and dropped into these groups. I feel that type of shallowness spill into their music. Moreover they all sound the same. I understand why girls might find it appealing, but that an element of K pop i can never get behind. I prefer my Post Malones and Wale any day over Justin Biebier and One Direction. Plus at least western pop artist try to distant themselves from corporate overlords as much as possible.
2. Also I know there are K pop songs that delve into different genre, though they are not particularly ground breaking or experimental instrumentally beyond merely just setting foot into other genre. They are just "ok" and passable. Much better than the bubble gum pop music usually associated with K pop and its sad that K pop pushes these soulless types of songs so hard to the forefront.
3. Lyrically K pop artist are more or less all right. There are songs with very nice lyrics with stories and messages. A good portion of the time K pop artist are generic lyrically, but are never really bad especially the rappers. They dont have hard hitting bars but they can ride the beat.
Problem however is the language barrier. Most people dont listen to K pop because because of lyrics. Subtitles make it hard to really enjoy the song cause you have to multi task.
Essentially people like K pop because its good looking boys and girls danicing over a happy pop melody, and theres nothing wrong with that. It basically made to sell out to girls anyways.
4. I enjoy J rock because of guitar rifts and chord progression similar to Bring me the horizon, 3 day grace, and blink 182, as well as the vocals. I really dont pay much mind to the lyrics. Well in the defense of J rock, they dont put so much emphasis on looking pretty and grooming
Just a quick question. If K pop artist weren't as pretty as they are. Would you still be a raving fan of them, even exploring other korean music? Just kinder curious
K-BOP ENTHUSIAST Your comment just proved his point even further. Good job.
Kpop largely depends on the producers behind it. BTS has some quality songwriters on their last few albums. Their motifs aren't near as repetitive as American music, but as for most Kpop I can't say.
The only people who have a real problem with it are these pseudo masculine insecure tools who have been trying to hinder what music is "supposed to be" for males for a long time. If they had their way, Robert Plant wouldn't even be allowed to sing high.
I don’t care that they look feminine. I do care that they value their looks way too much. It shifts the attention from the music to if they’re hot or not. American pop has a similar problem but for them things like plastic surgeries are nowhere near as common.
If you're distracted by their looks it sounds like a personal problem. Their faces aren't on any of their album covers so you can just choose to listen to them on a streaming platform rather than watch their music videos. I really don't see how this has anything to do with their music one way or another. You either enjoy it or you don't, but people acting like it's a detriment to society somehow is way overblown.
It's no secret much of their popularity is due to their looks. I know I can ignore it, but the fact that their appeal has to do with their physical appearance is a bad thing for the music industry. The industry needs to rely less on turning people into the equivalent of a Barbie or Ken doll.
That's a good point, but that's what separates the music business from musical expression. There are people who are pop fans who aren't really fans of music and they'll never change, but that doesn't mean genuine music fans who listen to many other genres can't enjoy pop for the good things it has to offer musically in terms of melodic hooks and instant accessibility
But it's often the lesser known (uglier) pop artists that are far better at making pop music and the industry focusing on looks holds them back from exposure.
I don't understand why people feel the need to have such knee-jerk hateful reactions to K-pop. K-pop is a very diverse genre, including r&b, hip hop, electronica, rock... it's not just one poppy and bubblegum thing. Like Fantano says, a lot of the K-pop music lately has been very experimental in nature. In addition, people seem very quick to dismiss the boy bands as gay, as if that's an acceptable insult. Too many people judge another culture based on their own culture... with our increasingly global world it is a lot more necessary to practice cultural relativism... Honestly, people should just open their minds and judge objectively. If they do, I think they would be impressed about K-Pop being a total package of good music, performance, looks, and content.
70% of those people are just trolls that want to see some angry comments for the fun
like how is ''fuck kpop'' even a argument lol,based on all the comments i've seen on the vid i can say those people have a very low iq if they think those are actual arguments
Queenie11011 People are just jealous because they have nothing on Kpop groups and just want to anger fans and trust me 90% of people that talk shit about kpop haven't even heard a proper kpop song or just reference psy gangnam style or some shit
Because the fandom is hella toxic and it turns them off and just puts a bad taste in their mouth for kpop
KIRAT ENTERTAINMENT People write comments like that as a knee jerk reaction to fans like you. Kpop as music is fine but if you honestly think everyone who doesn't like it is secretly jealous, that's embarassing.
I like hip hop. Other people don't. I don't assume they are therefore jealous or racist or whatever. Don't make it into something it's never going to be. It's catchy and fun music but the swooning and fawning over artists and cringy ass fandoms scares people away. In that respect the anime comparison was valid. Don't be the kid who shows up at school with a Naruto headband on every day.
LewieBot Look I like all genres except country but you don't see my going around to country songs and saying "this shit is so gay" or "wtf are these gay boys" or "this is trash". Heck for any song I don't like in that matter so tell me why does kpop have so much backlash to begin with. Obviously kpop fans are going to become aggressive when people keep talking shit about it. They could just simply leave kpop alone and listen to their songs but NOPE people always say "kpop is gay" or "bts is gay" so obviously the fans are going to defend it.
Tbh I’m korean but grew up in a western country so I have perspective from both sides, and imo, kpop isn’t exactly new, innovative or that interesting (just like most American pop in general) but I can’t deny that it has an appeal, it’s the same case with people loving moe anime’s like lovelive, it’s colourful, cute and positive. Also ppl bandwagon hating kpop is kinda hilarious tbh, u see the hive mentality lol
That "hive mentality" you're talking about is present in the kpop fandom where people who disagree with them are satan in their perspective.
5:07 ... but bts actually make their own music.
They dont know the power of suga and rm ...
Veronica W well not really, in their last album they at least collaborated with 4-7 other songwriters per song and only 3 songs had a production credit from a bts member, while the rest are being produced by an a list producer, so majority of their songs arent self made
@@JoseGarcia-ki3vk for kind information, suga, rm , jhope participated in almost all their songs.. plz check the list then speak, big hit works like a family,, they give chances to the members to show their talents equally,,
When you work as a group, you must have a great team, bts has the great team, bts choreography team also plays important role dont forget them..
@@JoseGarcia-ki3vk that is literally what 90% of musicians do...
@@nobody-gi5gf I'm talking about the prodution and composing part of the music not the performance and singing
I don't really listen to kpop, i dont have a problem with kpop groups.
The problem i have thats related to them are the fandoms...
autumn murrie yes. This
This, so much. BTS has the most rabid fanbase I've seen since the Visual Kei wave of the 2000s
The most annoying thing we have done(BTS fans aka ARMY) are keep spamming at other people comments so that people gonna check our boys music. Its hard to tell why because you wont get it why we are that massive loyal fanbase unless you check out BTS music without any prejudice and turn on CC for the sub. Their music is inspiring and they are really talented plus they produced own music. Check out spring day, mic drop remix, not today, blood sweat n tears, etc. I want to remind you all again, THEY PRODUCED OWN MUSIC and their lyrics mostly written by their leader, RM and rap part by rappers.
s92 fuck outta here you weeb disgusting vermin.
yeah kpop songs arent even bad, but the fandom's pretty much almost undertale/fnaf fanbase level
Megadeth is my favorite kpop band
Marty Friedman has actually made Kpop since leaving megadeth
They aren't a k pop band tho?1? duhhhh stoopid idiut
They're cool, but I honestly think cannibal corpse is the best k-pop band. I don't know why I like them so much, I guess their cute lyrics about severed limbs and brutal murder is what draws me in.
Tunnelsnakes Rule oh yeah i forgot about that lol makes this comment even more funny to me now
Positive Comment and then they explain the genre`` UM its energetic speedy sledge hammer tap dancing metal started in the 80s u ficking poser``
The bad parts are the Cult-like fandoms and the slave-contracts
thats my main problem with kpop. the fans will go on twitter and be like #insertdeservesbetter but they dont do anything to change it they still buy their albums and go to concerts which is money going straight to the companies because most kpop stars arent even rich
@@monkeykingmo-ri777, this is why I support BTS. They write their own songs and also have a hand in producing (for example, Suga wrote and produced almost all of Interlude: Shadow, a solo song from their new album and Hobi wrote his solo as well, with RM being the main writer on most of the tracks on the rest of the album. Their company has a fair split of the income, with 70% going to BTS, while 30% goes to the company's staff etc, which is different from exploiting compaines such as SM (with 90% going to the company). They often do campaigns and donate to relief funds and charity and their main message seen throughout their music (mostly their Love Yourself album series) is positive and all about loving oneself. BigHit(their company)'s slogan is literally music and artists for healing which I just find very wholesome.
Rogue Wasteland slave contracts exist in the west too and it’s really annoying every time i see people use that argument. not only is it hypocritical.. but it makes the korean music industry look like a monolith. BTS for example are an artist that is a prime example of the counter-movement against the restrictions and harsh treatment in kpop. BTS are basically on the board of their company and can veto decisions. They also write and produce their music and talk about their own stories. They became this huge for that reason. Fandoms are another story but the artist never intended for their work to create a culture that is unfavorable.. so it’s good to look at them as their own entity.
never mind 👏🏽 👏🏽 you right
@@nevermind8064 i didn't say that there aren't slave contracts in the west, and of course it doesn't apply to every group in the kpop genre,maybe i should have made that more clear, sorry.
People are still using "gay" as an insult? wow pathetic
Pencil Wisdom yeah, i know that's pretty fuckin gay
I think I'm the only one not using "gay" as an insult
Yeah because it's a mental illness
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Y JMS Could you explain why it’s a mental illness?
I used to be a huge fan of K-POP, but I grew out of it. I'm not really a fan of BTS, but I can see the talent in the guys. The problem I have is the fans; they are so aggressive and attack anyone who criticises the band and put K-POP up on a high pedestal and say that this is better than *this* or *that* genre.
Skeptical _Princess04 I love bts and their music. fan's attitude never catch my interest.
I agree. I stop listening to K-Pop because of how intense the fanbase was. I also find most BTS fans aggressive. Conspiracy theory: BTS brainwashes their fans with their music.
You’re right. I fell out of it for a while because of the fans and just recently got back in. I’m already growing tired of the endless fighting and hostility between groups /: it’s draining
fans is what make kpop look awful. no matter how good kpop is... fans will be butthurt about something that they don't like. i also agree about putting kpop group on a pedestal but i don't mind if they call them kings or queens of music because it's their opinion but some of them push the limit to the point they compared other countries pop with kpop and say kpop is better than anything else. honestly, i'd punch those kinds of people any day. now, im just being a lowkey kpop fans. still a fan but not to the point i treat them as if they're my god and religion.
BTS brainwashes us into commenting about them in every single video we watch in UA-cam - that's the truth. I think that's the only thing I can spill for now. I still want to live.
Plot twist: Melon is a die hard Kpop fan.
Chuc Quang I mean they even have the melon music awards named after their biggest fan
christian B indeed.
I find it annoying that American pop is the "norm" and anything else that isn't sung in english is shit. (SOME people think this way)
Serafiina Sigrid but what about the people who think that anything in another language is automatically better. Like they're so much better and smarter for listening to it.
K-pop is not the only instance of this. For example, Rammsteins fanbase is is toxic, because it's young girls that have that mindset. Won't listen to American industrial, cause it's not as good, because it's sang in English.
Arlene the Shotgun I agree! I think a mindsed from the middle would be the healthiest :)
Serafiina Sigrid wouldn't that be great!
maybe because it's invented there?
Serafiina Sigrid Yeah well said, it annoys me too
People really weren't afraid to be racist when he made this vid
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I knew someone would compare it to anime, but that comparison doesn't stand at all. The appeal of anime is completely different to the appeal of Western filmmaking, hence why it's become popular over in the West, because it offers an alternative to mainstream film coming out of the US, the UK, etc. K-pop, on the other hand, doesn't offer an alternative to contemporary Western pop artists, rather it offers a cherry-picked version presented in a slightly different package. (This isn't a jab at K-pop, by the way. I personally see it as I do any other genre, meaning that there's K-pop I like and K-pop I don't like.)
George Pheby I think the comparison makes sense. The ultra cute bubblegum pop aspect of kpop has its similarities to anime. Look at TVXQ- Balloons and then tell me how anime is not a good comparison.
I just watched it and I don't see your point at all. If what you're getting at is that the cutesy, light-hearted appeal of K-pop carries over to anime, then I definitely don't see your point. Sure, there are plenty of anime that fall under the 'moe' umbrella which are popular in the West and carry their own appeal, but their appeal, as relates to the broader appeal of anime, is not simply that they're cute. If that were the case, that wouldn't explain the fact that nearly all of the most popular anime series of all time in the West are shounen action shows, often with an overtly dark tone to them, as is the case with the likes of Death Note and Attack on Titan. For me personally, the appeal of anime is the diversity and specificity of its narrative styles and themes that are rarely, if ever, found in Western filmmaking, and from the people I've spoken to and the opinions I've heard, most anime fans take an interest in the medium for reasons similar to this. Of course, there are people who only care about shows like K-On! and Kiniro Mosaic specifically for their cutesy edge, but for people who are drawn to anime as a whole, they will watch the likes of Non Non Biyori just as they'll watch shows like Psycho-Pass that aren't cute in the slightest, because the appeal of anime as an art form, for most people, lies in the stories that are told, not in the pretty packaging that they sometimes come in.
George Pheby your names George, you shouldnt know any of this. go be normal
darth boner Being normal's overrated
Don't ever compare Anime with this trash
I think most K-Pop is pretty mediocre. That said, there are very solid artists making it, most notably IU. But like all mainstream pop, it's very bloated and over hyped, and hating on it is just as trendy as being a fangirl.
Overall, it really doesn't matter. If you enjoy it, listen to it; if you think it is the worst thing since the Holocaust, maybe don't.
IU the legend..Dear Name is a masterpiece of a song imo
I see Koreans saying the same thing. Especially the older generations--although they admit that these 'idol' groups are talented with both singing and dancing abilities, they don't see the music as genuine and "high-quality" as popular songs decades ago. Because K-Pop is becoming a major music industry, groups produce catchy, electric music in a short period of time for more revenue, along with frequently recruiting people based on looks rather than talent for more audience; due to this, some people feel that the lyrics are trite, shallow, or just don't make sense. They don't seem to have much thought put into them. The most of the voices sound similar and uniqueness is rare. Though I am part of the younger generation, I prefer the older Korean music that portrays sincere emotion and more variety, despite the lack of quality and perfect autotuning of modern music.
As a korean myself, kpop or jpop isnt a genre. Its like how kraut rock was a genre because they provided new shit because its in german(yes they did provide some things but admit it they were basically doing things that were vogue at the time with robotic concepts thats all and just get hype because they didnt know german). When i ask kpop fans overseas why they like kpop they say like dances are cool and people are talented but also say its because its in a different language. Its true that there are some songs that would be only in kpop because of the influence of what we seem to like, but best way to summarise the korean music industry is basically providing a korean version of western trends and there were a sense of pride or mission in doing music in the west in korean and prove that we can do this genre of music too (and thats guess how k hiphop and k rock exists) especially in the early days of kpop and western music is still looked as trendy advanced or refined (so american pop was and still kinda revered in that sense than korean pop music well of course the disadvantage is mumble raps are also looked in that sense even tho westerners hate it lol). Although i do think kpop can be analysed as like a new influence in terms of visuals(just like how glam rock is analyzed) professional training systems and how good music from all around the world is appreciated globally or analyzing individual trends in kpop and groups or singersongwriters who tried new things for the industry, for example how bigbang started the trend of singersong writers marketing in idol groups or how iu changed the industry by increasing popularity in terms of female ballad singers with differwnt spectrums of music or how orange caramel tried concepts that were so alien and funny or cute that it became a sensation.
Bts write and compose their music themselves
TrUsFrAtEd no they collaborate with other songwriters and producers
What irks me is how a nod from the American musical community is the only validation for the success of a genre when the world is literally so wide and diverse. Each country has its own music scene.
People who hate Kpop don't understand that the appeal is more so the overall package and for the most part, it isn't anything too serious. It's Pop music geared to young people but these people singing and performing also do contribute in producing their music. They are refreshingly extremely hard working and humble people which you can't help but admire, they work their ass off. They do care a lot about the visual which has it's down side because it can be shallow. They also offer great choreography. They're great role models for the youth, and they very much catered to fans needs which sometimes create obsessive fans but it's still a smart strategy, it creates a loyal intense fandom..and lastly they do offer various entertaining charming personalities and have funny relationship dynamic in their groups, it's always really fun to see their shows because they're all uniquely charming, they know how to be charming and they're so many layers and jokes that happens in each group.
It's a package entertainment. (Even bts knows and acknowledge this fact) Kpop has good and bad music like other genre. They sometimes do compose & produce, It's has become more common nowadays for idols to create their own music. The choreography 90% of the time is always excellent, they're hardworking, always very humble and they're funny charming people. They're entertainers; they sing, dance, have great work ethnic and are also tv personalities.
Nah, We just like trolling you guys are so senstive.
txrie Do you blame them? They’re always made fun of for just liking a certain type of music so they’re obviously going to end up being sensitive
Seok Min yes I do blame them who else would I? Kpop fandoms are some of the most toxic things on the internet.
@@imspoon7188 European football fans are the most toxic and cancerous tbh. They always make fight stuffs with opponent fans and are openly racists towards black players. Especially Serie A fans
Owl eyes That’s not as bad as sexualizing artists, taking videos of them in the shower, getting pressed about who they are talking to, acting as if your opinion is more important that another person’s, ridiculing dead people, and much more stuff.
I'm so neutral to K-Pop that I don't even bother to look into it. I've listened to a few artists like Block B but it just reminds me of "softer" sounding American pop. As in more of catchy but not as experimental.
WalkingGirlKoi Agreed. It's definitely not as unique as say modern Jpop for example.
WalkingGirlKoi I'm curious what K-pop you were even listening to make the conclusion that its less experimental than American Pop. Sure, it follows American pop trends a LOT more blatantly (like nearly every single being tropical house...), but that is not all the K-pop that exists.
Just off the top of my head, you have Girls' Generation - I Got A Boy, most of Red Velvet's discography (being quirky and weird is kind of their thing), the BTS Wings album and Blackpink - Whistle/Boombayah.
You at first will have to sift through a lot of mediocre releases to find the groups you enjoy, but that goes to American pop as well. It'd be like a Korean person listening to Ed Sheeran once and deciding Western pop is all trash, when they would've found CRJ - Emotion had they just looked a little.
Just as a recommendation, NCT U has a song called "the 7th sense" which is quite unique (for a pop song)
You need to double check kpop man lol "EXO - Overdose", "EXO - Monster", "BTS - FIRE" listen to those songs then comeback and tell me kpop isn't "experimentative".
Some people just listen to a few songs and then starts to generalize, that's really wrong
Soerirukz The ones I've came across really sound like tame rap songs or are slow pop love songs. I haven't listened to a bunch of groups because again, it isn't really my thing. But the ones people have shown me or I've came across are your typical pop and cheery rap songs.
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im that guy who's blasting TT in my earbuds while im walking to my next class, but my face is serious and blank. I feel awkward af talking about it to other ppl lol
lmao same
Me too but I don't feel akward
I mean awkward
Tf is tt
TT I think means tears
my favorite KPOP group is maroon 5
Lol same
My fav are those fuckers at Chucky cheese
LOL My favorite is 3 second to Mars
Actually g dragon made a song with maroon 5s this love and made his own so technically thats not a joke lol
@@benis4958 HAHHA SAME
Not a fan of the music itself, but massive props to the musicians, they are the most base talented artists, they can rap, sing, and choreographed dance. Plus, groups like BTS do have some real shit in their lyrics. Do not at all deserve the amount of hate they get
Vape God Ameer BTS in particular got shit from the start. It’s not going to stop now that they’ve gotten bigger.
Exactly! BTS are very talented! 2 of the members even have mixtapes they produced and released for free, they clearly care about their music unlike some other mainstream "artists".
I'm an ARMY and I'm used to it.
BTS have been getting hate since they debut.First it was by Korean audience and now American.
Nothing new and I don't want to argue about any thing cause it's their opinion.
Vape God Ameer Bandwagon hate will always follow Bangtan
Vape God Ameer They more so get hate because a good portion of their fandom can be, let's just say, overzealous when it comes to spreading the word about them. I see more people saying they don't like bts because of their fandom rather than actually not liking bts.
Lot of people here saying K pop is trash, K pop sucks but I don't think it's fair to just say a whole genre of music is bad. I'm not even a fan of K pop but I just don't think it's fair
efdhg Trust me, if you come to South east asia, you'll see why
"K pop sucks but I don't think it's fair to just say a whole genre of music is bad" well, you just... i mean... anyway
K-Pop has been developing a western fan base for over a decade now, it’s just finally crossing the threshold where it’s being placed in front of people who wouldn’t normally seek this kind of content. It’s here to stay; I really don’t see it becoming a Brit Pop-like trend because it’s not something that’s simply “exploding”.
The best thing about kpop is the fanbase, trolling them is hella fun
Indeed.
plutomin that's why everyone hates kpop because y'all always gotta have some gay ass emoticons
Lmao i agree im a kpop fan but i love trolling other kpop fans. Especially the hard core boy group fans.
@weird lonely person That was cringey as fuck. You lack self awareness and you lack even more brain cells. Stay in your fantasy lane drooling over Kpop idols and never re-enter the gene pool for humanity's sake
@@MrBryan-hr1rp like you can recognize someone without "self-awareness" or have any say at all for the sake of "humanity". Go fuck yourself and stop trying to leave clever youtube comments.
K-Pop (Kanye-Pop) is a 6/10 for me
MBTSF is a 6/10
Fun fact, Kanye once featured on a kpop song! It’s “Ayyy Girl” by JYJ
The K-Critic did Kanye kill the track
@@graysonelliott6115 lol kanye is jobless and does random shit. He tried a Bohemian rhapsody cover too.
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1:10 my god yes, that's why every time i listen to kpop music i feel like i've heard it before on the radio. kpop is just pop, but with korean lyrics, hence its name.
the only thing i can see kpop changing isn't music itself, but the live shows, the concerts, as they focus more on being visually appealing and on dancing than on singing
not trying to generalize here, just talking about the majority of kpop songs
And here I am listening to Bewhy, Dean, and Day6 lmao
Have you heard Dreamcatcher?? Never heard anything like their music in the West. It's more like Japanese rock.
@@HusbandoCollector well ultimately, kpop was influenced from jpop and pop so its not surprising.Although its important to note that we koreans had a history of rock music dating back to the 60s.
I think the dances, the eye catching colors, and the most upbeat tone is interesting, but there's something that doesn't make it into my type of music. I personally like stuff by Frank Sinatra and Paul Anka, but everyone has their own opinions.
I think bts or blackpink are more western music. But some other groups have music that you never heard before.
TWICE is lit tho
@Hype Gamer a bunch of girls are gay
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If their gay then their prob stealing your bitch 😆
@Hype Gamer *cough *cough* SaiDa, SaMo, SaTzu😂
I'm worried about them now, they're the most popular theyve ever been but the members are going through some terrible personal issues and public scandals that are so petty
Even /mu/ can't get rid of KPOP threads.
KPOP threads are the worst ones, in case people don't know.
zakan tell that to /bant/
Yeah wtf I'm surprised it's quite popular on /mu/ fuck
zakan To be fair, everything on /mu/ is complete shit.
Nyanator what the fuck does that have to do with racism? If you like kpop then go ahead and post your fav waifus, but calling people racist because we find kpop threads annoying is pretty stupid
i'm not into k-pop, but hyukoh is a fun band, theyre like k-indie. it would be cool to see you review their album.
didn't expect someone to comment about hyukoh on here. they are definitely worth checking out!
Lennart Cooks yess! i was so happy when they dropped the "23" album. they came to amsterdam and the show didn't even sell out i think. if they get more famous i'll look back at the days where i didnt have to fight for a ticket lol. they are really good live too
also to my fellow melonheads that enjoy hyukoh, "se so neon" is another k-indie band on the rise, they only got 1 EP out which I really enjoyed. it's on spotify, idk about the other platforms since I don't use them.
no way I just started listening to se so neon yesterday LOL such a coincidence! I wish I could see Hyukoh live in the future. also love the way they dress haha
I think a lot of people don’t have a problem with K-pop, its literally the fandoms.
Before K-pop became really popular around the world, I don't think people really cared. But as it gradually became more popular, there has been more fans that have been rude. When some people say negative things about K-pop I feel like they say it because of the fandoms. Don't get me wrong there are many good fans but someone of them are obsessive and disrespectful, especially towards people who don't care about K-pop. A lot of people push K-pop onto them which is annoying af.
I'm 100% sure that the majority of people that hate K-pop don't hate the music and the groups they hate the fandoms (for example I'm that type)
@@vpaulocesar3030 no and ya
Most think that the lyrics are underwhelming(let's be honest), not that great vocals(pretty common to have such vocals)also
But the production is hands down one of the best
I disagree. Yes the fans are weird. But before Kpop was big internationally there still were foreign fans, who got bullied for it because "ew weird Asian guys singing Chinese!" I've seen first hand how racist Americans can be.
sadly the fandoms are mostly the first impression,so if the fandom sucks people think the thing itself sucks
@@rogueassasinator1408 Honestly I'm only an ARMY and not an overall k-pop fan, BTS have pretty good lyrics, can't speak for other groups but i'm sure there are good and bad lyrics. but yep i agree
cans you do a review of their *WINGS album* ? I wasn’t into kpop before but I heard so much about BTS’s wings album , I had to go listen to it and I was so taken aback and surprised at how well produced it is. I honestly didn’t expect it to be that good, I thought it was going to be another generic kpop album. The instrumentals,the lyrics and even the WINGS short films were so beautifully shot, you can tell how much effort they put into it.
Tbh, as an Asian, I feel like sometimes western people overlook kpop and pass it off as some genre of music that appeals to only ‘dumb teenage girls’. But you wouldn’t know how much effort these kpop artists put until you actually go check them out yourselves. I wish more people would bother going more in depth before judging them by the surface. It’s kinda like how people used to hate Harry Styles when he was in 1D? Because he was in a boy band . But when ‘Sign of the Times’ came out, people changed their minds.
That not the fault of people though. That the fault of K pop trying so hard to look generic. Most people are not originally attracted to K pop because of lyrics to begin with.
Killed Myself I have no idea what you’re trying to say or what your point is. I’m merely stating that people should look beneath the surface of Kpop before calling it dumb. And I’m also only recommending an album from BTS, so if you’re trying to start something here. Don’t. Don’t bother.
Man, I understand your pain. As a Nigerian, I often feel as though my culture's music (Afrobeat) is overlooked as well and isn't taken seriously as an actual musical genre, despite the well crafted and produced songs. That's the reason why I was easily able to get into other culture's music and become generally open-minded and broad with my music taste. It's already extremely hard for African Americans to get promoted and make it big in the music industry with their own genres such as Rnb, Rap, hip-hop, reggae, etc so for Africans to make it out their with their own cultural music feels impossible asf, and it's because people don't give our music a chance nor listen to it.
Also yes, Wings are BTS best album, hands down. LY: her is overrated asfff lol, the only critically good song is Sea, Her and Serendipity.
WINGS ALBUM IS ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS OF BTS. I MAY SOUND ANNOYING (hehe) BUT BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY WINGS ANDDD HYYH ALBUM IS WELL PRODUCED AND HONEY TO MY ears heheheh
" *The thing about Japan's Anime..the entire study of Anime and the entire artistic history of Anime is that.. it was an artistic game changer when it comes to Animation, Kpop however is NOT a game changer when it comes to music, it's not trying to do something new or alter the rules and provide something different, What I see Kpop doing is trying to compete on the same level as the western artists that so obviously influenced that style of music.* "
ANTHONY FANTANO 2017
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Sahir but it kinda has it's put aspects of all genres together
Thanks to their enduring hatred of Japan and obsession with broadcasting their attention whoring professional victimhood worldwide, this statement has now earned Fantano the wrath of all Coreans everywhere! Curses! Foiled again by the superior quality of things Japanese!
When it comes to music, ok they might not change it, although I do think kpop has a lot of interesting sounds that you won't find in pop. But when it comes to being an entertainer, western artist have a lot to learn from kpop idols. They're on another level, that's why it's so addictive. They will entertain the shit out of you
@@MyDream234 the fact that you cant find interesting soumds in western pop says a lot. And bruh, kpop entertainment learned from the westerners themselves. Like the legends Mj, Prince, J5, Bey, earth wind and fire, madonna, britney, janet, other black people bands to meantion blah blah. And dont forget about visual keis and j-idols. Id say the western pop artist should learn from their grandpas/mas . They care more about art anyway not dancing and shit
Whoever wrote that Girl’s Generation comment is an intellectual
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Warren Jay Bitch you better get into it
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Jess Kim true
Jess Kim wow rude
i was pleasantly surprised at how valid your points were since videos like this are usually laced with some bias, so thank you for being so eloquent. though i will say that there are some groups such as BTS who are very involved in the song process with lyricism, producing, overall concept and etc.
5 years later and the “it’ll die out quickly” comments haven’t exactly aged well. Not that K-pop was a new thing 5 years ago.
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The rape thing?
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Felony Martinez?
sh00keth NOT GOOD
No wait till we actually have more information, don't be stupid and assume shit and take sides
Anthony the open-minded intellectual here in contrast to the fairly toxic portion of commenters. Quite an interesting sight
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This avocado warrior guy is a piece of work huh
Hey, Avocado, what's up? Fighting the good fight, I see. Well, hang in there.
Avocado Warrior no u
I'm just here to watch the world burn
Alright, I'm gonna drop my little opinion on this. I'm korean myself and this is the music that basically represents our country and I think it does it very well. We teenagers in this country are all about fashion, aesthetics and music. Our fashion is influenced by k-pop stars, which is influenced by western fashion. K-pop and the fashion scene in korea basically go hand in hand. The genre is strong here in korea and quite strong worldwide which is quite cool, but obviously there are the fans who only like them because of their looks. I believe that the genre is going to heavily evolve though and become something new, something more mainstream and popular and is sometimes played on the radio in the west. I don't know, I just think that k-pop is really influencing people and growing rapidly, until it becomes a worldwide thing.
Bruh if this music represents your country idk if your country's gonna be around that long.
@Jungle Ho Sock everyone copes America to an extent
Commenters saying how kpop fans are toxic while not realizing they're being toxic themselves.
I think they are going overboard with saying that BTS are like a second coming of The Beatles with their British Invasion. Just like western corporate pop music to K-pop which both equally lack of heart, cultural value and honesty. That’s why when their fanbase grow up they look up to artists that changed history in genres for example but not exclusively to rock and not commercial pop music that will only live in their memories as a good laugh and hidden teenage guilty pleasure.
And it’s a shame that K-pop overshadows other genres in Korea. Just like in any other part on this earth there are other genres such as traditional and western influenced music.
And played many instruments
BTS is quite frankly one of the most American and least unique kpop groups out there. That's why they're popular in America.
Just to add to your last point. Id say kpop overshadows other Korean genres in the minds of international fans. Most Koreans (mainly young adults) couldn't care less about idol music as a whole. Korean hip hop and r&b happens to have a sizeable international fanbase though especially among black and Hispanic Westerners.
Empatheia Multiversalis remember how Rain tried to make it in the US about 10 Year’s ago?
Craw Richter but...bts write...their own music...💀
I'm definitely with Anthony on this one. K-Pop IS western pop boiled down to its most catchy roots and then filtered through a futuristic lense. And while I do see the appeal, it really isn't for me at the end of the day.
RedCalx Z I would argue the most popular groups like EXO and BTS are, but if you dive any further than that you'll see that that is only a portion of the music. I think it shows a lack of knowledge when people leave out the bubblegum pop aspect of kpop, since that is a HUGE aspect of kpop that is overlooked by the American audiences that only look at the surface of kpop. Look at TVXQ- Balloons or Girl's Generation- Kissing You for example. Or if you need a more recent example, take A-pink or Lovelyz. Where is the futuristic American pandering music there? Most of the ultra-cute kpop does not appeal to most of America whatsoever.
Leah H. I'm sure if I did a deep dive I'd find a variety of stuff, but I'm pretty sure my disinterest is kpop stems from my disinterest in pop music in general, weather that'd be from the states or across the pond
if you come to think, there's also a lot of western pop that is not innovative... and we can't generalize kpop as a whole as a copy and paste machine, there are good groups and solo artists out there trying to do something different
Why is everyone acting like KPOP is a new thing when it’s been around since the 80s?
it was not popular then.
Its become popular thanks to Internet explosion. Back then everyone just knew about american Rocknroll
This what happens when you occupy a country and split it in 2.
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Now that they're thinking about peace we may soon get DPR K-pop
A V that'd be horrible lmao imagine having a group of five to pick from 20 hairstyles for a fourth comeback season
Sreeja Mitra yeah but think of the massive choreographies and cool pyrotecnics
Sreeja Mitra The 20 haircuts thing was not a law lol. Hairdressers in both koreas give you a hairstyle "menu" for cuts that they know how to do.
kpop is not solely about the music. it is about the experience. there is a reason why the songs always go hand in hand with the choreography. why you get photocards and photo albums in the albums you buy. why the band members go on game shows and make frequent tv appearances. it is made to breed avid loyal fans. imo the music isn't amazing (i am a kpop fan don't get me wrong), but for those that don't crave originality or uniqueness, it is the sugary pop solution.
also, it isn't revolutionary because of its content. kpop in the west is representative of a huge step for asians in entertainment, a category in which there is an undeniable lack of asian representation.
I totally agree with this. Although I'm a fan of kpop, most of the songs under the genre are pretty average. I remained a stan mainly because of their connection to the fans and the god-tier choreography.
Except America has constructed itself upon immigration and multiculturalism for centuries. Asian countries, especially Korea, has been very reluctant to immigration and this still applies to this day
So for the Asian population that is very much present in America, Kpop feels like a validation, finally some visibility in the mainstream media. But there aren't that many white/black foreigners in Asian countries.. And still they are represented, maybe not in the form of musical trends, but we do see them on TV.
i'm arguing the former. i've lived in america all my life and grew up with very few asians in mainstream media. i suppose i make this case personally because when i discovered kpop in middle school, i was inspired by asians in entertainment who were not the academically driven stereotype i grew up in. representation was important to me because i felt like i could finally connect and be inspired by bold, confident, and colorful asian artists.
i'm not going to deny that there are many xenophobic koreans. however, i appreciate the presence of kpop in the west because it's an asian media presence on a greater magnitude than anything that exists domestically in the US. my appreciation for it has grown more lately because kpop isn't just koreans anymore. although they speak korean, there are chinese, thai, japenese, etc artists being incorporated into groups.
It's O K-POP, I guess
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lazy.
Nice meme
like for effort
It's ok like i find it bearable at best annoying or bland and worst the real problem with kpop are the slime sisters who watch it and by that I mean the general western fan community that wishes to remind you how every single korean vocalist is descended from heaven without you even having to ask them
the kpop industry is just so dystopian and the 'beauty standards' make me sick. why else would they be so dependent on the good looks? besides the fact that it sells.
i mean doesnt every music/ fashion/ theatre type of industry?
@@lifeisascam on pop (and maybe trap, but that's mostly objects) yes. But other genres don't do that. You don't see Danny Brown fixing his teeth anytime soon and he's a big hip-hop artist.
@@idklike3210 well, thats true. but i just meant that good looks so play a huge role in marketing and have a significant chance of getting mpre popular than their equally talented but not so good looking rivals.
Fucking correct
Correct. Which is one of the reasons why I love Jpop/Jrock more. Like, I love TM Revolution bc of their song, not because of their face. I love Utada Hikaru's songs and nobody said she's the most beautiful (which I don't care!).
It feels like being attractive is a prerequisite to being in a popular music scene, like it's something that has to be kept up and managed to maintain a career, It creeps me out to think that kinda pressure is on someone
Anthony Sereno You won't have a problem if you have the corpse parts.
Pyrofest is that a jojo reference????
It's everywhere. Talent and creativity is nothing is front of Looks. Weather be it Kpop or UA-cam.
It's the entertainment industry. They're trying to sell their image as a product. Plus most idols have dieticians and make up artists anyway so it isn't pushed onto them as much.
It's true. I heard on an interview or video that popular musicians no longer make a business out of their music. They make money out of their image. This is especially true with hip hop's recent popular artists and songs. Look at the production level that goes into the videos and the trends amongst young trap artists like those bright coloured dreds that every new rapper seems to have.
Tbh I don’t think kpop should be analyzed on just a musical level. Even though it refers to a music style (korean pop), not only does it tie many different genres together (pop, r&b, rock, hip-hop, EDM etc), but it also has various elements besides the music that are essential to making kpop what it is. I’m talking about the production quality of everything: music video, visuals, style, choreographies, performances etc.
Musically, it’s obviously based off of western pop trends, but they also mix it up with some korean elements of course, such as trot music. They do take many of these trendy elements, organize it in a certain structure and make it their own genre. However, I think recently they’ve been toning down the well known loudness and saturated arrangements, and thus it’s become more and more globally appealing. Either way, it’s essentially pop music, but in korean.
However, they emphasize the visual aspect of it a lot more than westerners do. That way, it’s sure to grab people’s attention more easily and makes it a more unique and satisfying experience.
As for BTS being the most internationally successful group right now, I believe it’s due to the fact that not only do they make catchy songs, but their performances also come with powerful and energetic choreography, and their music videos have really aesthetically pleasing elements and tell intricate stories. Also, BTS participate in the production of their own albums, songs, composition and lyrics, which allows them to tell personal stories through their music and talk about problems that all people can relate to. This makes their music more relatable, thus it’s easier to like them because of their rawness. All this genuineness in their art + 7 men who are pleasing to look at with nice personalities = likability + success.
This is just my opinion.
Also BTS’s Spring Day inspiration from “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas”. RM is such a lit nerd. And their defiant usage of yellow ribbons to represent the hundreds of students who died tragically in that ferry accident and the government taking action against anyone who would even write about it. The combination of the issue and the plot of the book is just 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
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@@kikiam7850 Namjoon is a genius😌😂💜
Here in Brazil, Kpop is getting stronger and stronger... It's not as popular as a lot of other genres, but fandoms are really growing up and fast. I have at least 5 friends that like Kpop. I don't like Kpop, but I respect it.
Yutrobog its nice to know that you respect it, thank you for nicely saying that you dislike them!
You're a great non kpop fan. You just leave it alone and mind your own business. You have respect for others.
I’m an avid music lover. I’ve had a lot of fun with kpop over the years I’ve known it. I know it’s not a lot of people’s taste but that comes with any genre, including American music, but it doesn’t mean just because the few kpop songs you’ve heard you didn’t like, mean all of it is the same. It’s much the same way with any genre. Different artist in the same genre can bring different styles and colors. In such a huge industry that is kpop: I think one of the most appealing and exciting things about it is that there is an endless sea of groups and genre/style mash-ups to explore, you might be pleasantly surprised by what you stumble across. Not everything is bubble-gum pop and every group and artist have their strengths and weaknesses.
Plus a big factor of the draw of kpop is the experience as a whole: the production value and aesthetics shown in their music videos can be so cinematic, that coupled with clean and often complex choreography adds to the music and gets you anticipating what a group will bring to you with their next album. I’m honestly a bit spoiled now when I watch a music video...with how dedicated and over the top kpop music videos go with their production and choreography..other music videos often struggle to impress me or keep my attention as wel.
As for some people’s problem with the industry itself...there’s no going around it, digging into the music industry as a whole and the gears behind it...it can be pretty ugly. Just look at what usually happens to young American artist and child actors once Hollywood and the music industry get through with them. Koreans are particularly incredibly hard working, but at least most of them are prepared going in with the training they do ahead of time. They work so hard from so early on, you can’t help but WANT to see them succeed.
I think Kpop and particularly American pop have always had a give and take relationship. Koreans were inspired by American music and as they started to grow their own formula and twists, America was in turn inspired. A lot of popular American artist have expressed their love of kpop and have taken ideas from the genre for their own music.
If you give it a listen and you still don’t like anything you hear, that’s fine. We all don’t have to be the same. But don’t get mad if you start to see more kpop invading your country. With different groups constantly contributing to the genre’s steady takeover, particularly with BTS...I feel like it’ll be almost impossible to escape. We’re entering a kpop wave.
I've been a kpop fan for like 6 years and it isn't much of a newly popular thing. I think people who say kpop is just manufactured pop have only heard a few of the most popular songs. If you dive in deeper, you'll see there's a lot of genuine artistry in it. A lot of the k r&b and hip hop artists are independent and create their own music. Even the biggest groups like bts participate heavily in the music production. Seventeen is a group that produces, writes, and even choreographs almost everything themselves.
It's not all meaningless, as well. I'll use bts as an example again, but their series "the most beautiful moment in life" has a very deep philosophical discussion and a complex story line with references to classical art and literature. The songs and music videos give a commentary on the member's rejection of Korean social norms and the education system. I compare their message to the rock band rush's song "subdivisions" which is about rejecting the American dream and encouraging youth to dream and not conform. Bts has had that message since their debut song "no more dream".
As a bit of a music nerd, kpop songs are high quality in my opinion. Of course some of the more popular stuff tends to be a bit more trend following and less musically interesting, but songs like "sonatine" by loona, "married to the music" by shinee (my fave group), and "brave new world" by brown eyed girls have interesting and complex musical arrangements. But music doesn't always have to be crazily complex and revolutionary to be good. I still enjoy some of the simple and fun songs like "tt" by twice.
There's also a diverse range of genres within kpop like rock, pop, r&b, edm, jazz, etc. I especially love the bounty of retro throwback styles in kpop since I'm a big fan of that, particularly the 80s such as "I feel you" by the wonder girls or "look" by red velvet".
And of course it's not like the performers are all just attractive rich douche bags, they're all incredibly talented, hard working, and humble. Most kpop idols don't live very glamorous lives like American pop stars. They usually all share a dorm with small bedrooms and cook for themselves. A lot of them are also quite frugal and always appreciative of their fans.
You obviously don't have to like kpop, but don't go insulting and dismissing the whole community and artists for that. You can dislike something or be critical of it while still being respectful. Just let people like what they like. Whether kpop is gonna be so hugely popular in the west for a short amount of time or for years to come, I don't think I'm going to lose interest any time soon because I love it more and more everyday.
Damn girl who lied to you that bts participate heavily in the music production? lol..
Shinee lady Maybe not heavily but I was trying to make the point that they aren't completely uninvolved in the music making process like some people think.
Shinee lady Yoongi (Suga) just won an award at MAMA for his producing, lyrically they contribute a lot, and they’ve talked about creating songs. Yes they have some writers however only a few songs out of their entire discography does not have any member credited. You shouldn’t discredit people, especially ones that put in the hard work and effort like BTS
This is the "Kpop" I remember before 2000's and 1990's. Check this out. I'll Love Everything (SongGolMae '1982)
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Here's the English lyrics:
Clouds float in the sky - even the purple tint scent
If this body was the sky, how great would it be?
Love is leaving my side - even the red kisses
How wonderful would it be if time stopped?
Even the sun, soaked with rain
Even the thirsty moon
They are standing in front of the door of tomorrow
Without any lingering attachment,
Should I turn away for your happiness?
The burning sun, the flying birds - everyone should love
The burning sun, the flying birds - everyone should love
Love is leaving my side - even the red kisses
How wonderful would it be if time stopped?
Even the sun, soaked with rain
Even the thirsty moon
They are standing in front of the door of tomorrow
Without any lingering attachment,
Should I turn away for your happiness?
The burning sun, the flying birds - everyone should love
The burning sun, the flying birds - everyone should love
Clare Abbott Best comment in the thread! :) You're right, everything you said is true, and puts the right perspective on kpop. I've also been into kpop for about 6 years, I still browse it every day, and revel in my favorite tracks. :) But I would like to add one problematic issue: companies that manage, against all the odds, to get a successful girl group, but then let them slide... Blackpink is a glaring example right now (WTF is YG thinking, forgetting about them for mixnine??) And then two groups that I stanned hard, have faded away: Miss A and F(x), both due to one member going on the gravy train of endorsements. Sure, that's great for Suzy and Krystal, but where does that leave the others? They can't sing without them, but the new stars don't have time to be in the group. Sad.
I’m not a big kpopers, but I hate it when people say that kpop is a new trend and would die off. Lol they have been going around since I was in high school (which was 11 years ago) and they’re still pretty strong until now. Don’t forget the fact that their fans are VERY dedicated and would not just easily get bored of their idols. So, I don’t think kpop would die off.
But that same dedication that the fans have is what turns people off of the music. Toxicity can get pretty draining.
a genre is a concept therefore it can’t die but the trend can, which it eventually will, but not anytime soon.
LMAO, the fact nobody who knows music forgot that 2NE1 and Big Bang even existed. And that's coming from your fandom. Not a fan of the KPOP music (it sounds too electronic and plastic for me) thinks its popular for the shallowest reasons.
@@xnosmokenoknivesx How is K-Pop a genre?
I really like kpop (more underground artists because they sound more “fresh” than the main stream groups like bts) but honestly the only bad part about it is the fandom, it’s absolutely toxic, and unlike other fandoms a good majority of the fans are young stan girls that will attack people who dont agree with kpop or if they get offended, take the whole cupcaKKe situation for example.
@Michelle Molina Kendrick is mainstream as well, but the Hip-Hop industry is trash. The leader is good, the clout chasers and the plants are usually just below. Oh and isn't underground basically not pop?
Pop = Popular music
Underground music is not pop music.
@@yae-saa, people basically consider all Korean music to be kpop (which is kinda annoying at times)
"fandom, it’s absolutely toxic" just like other fandoms
"a good majority of the fans are young stan girls" wrong, the extreme majority of the fanbase are 20 to 40 years old
Important to note about kpop is that it is not just about the music - dance and visuals are an integral part of its appeal and success
Kpop has been around for like 20 years... Why is this even an argument...
The Higher Ed Gamer- Because the world is full of ignorant fools, who don't do their research and think they can talk sheet and be edgy. Smh those who are blinded by hate and ignorance, I'll pray for y'all.
Sometimes you just gotta listen to abracadabra by brown eyed girls and you know what... that’s ok
this man has culture, may i recomend expectation by girls day and possibly all of exid?
It's late capitalism, the genre.
Also, holy shit those guys are haaaawt.
5:12 While BTS does have external producers, the members of BTS, especially Rapmon and Suga produce a LOT of the music plus the lyrics and melodies are always original work by the members. A lot of the lyrics they write are very personal and speak about their own experiences. This commenter is misinformed.
That is exactly what I went and said to my friend about this as soon as I saw it (to be fair it might have been a little more rant-y and annoyed though). BTS take such pride in making/being a big part of making their own music. I would have to say that is exactly why I am far more into them than any other K-pop group.
poddofaria Not misinformed; by far most kpop groups are exactly as he says.
Right, I meant misinformed about BTS specifically.
Go listen to the cyphers and suga's first love, with translations. first love is about suga's mother btw
poddofaria trash
Kpop will forever target teenagers and maybe people in their young 20’s. You have attractive Asian boys and girls that can dance and sing. The songs are catchy even though you have no idea what’s being said. Every kpop idol works their ass off and even though most of them are controlled by their companies, they should be applauded for their hard work. I think Korean rappers that were once in kpop groups could break into western music as well (CL, Jay Park, G-Dragon, etc). These idols have so much charisma that pulls in a large audience. I don’t think it’ll be a huge change to American pop, but it’ll forever be huge in Korea.
Speaking of CL, when is her official American debut? I remember thinking it was supposed to be 'Lifted' but then YG said it was just a testing-the-waters single? She's been working on this album since 2014 too whats the hold up?
Jay parks signed to rock nation so he's gonna do more music for the western market
Arab Man guess what no one cares so eat ass
true, if you'll watch produce 101 (a show like american idol but for group idols) you can see them work hard and also their companies hold them really tight.
a lot of people in their 30s or 40s enjoy kpop though. and im not talking about the korean people. so idk about this argument. agree with the hardworking part tho
Very happy to hear a lot of fans' and Anthony's opinions on this, as I trust Anthony's opinion more than most music critics. I myself am a fan of BTS, but that's really about it (give or take 1 or 2 other groups). Personally, I think K-Pop is a big enough genre in itself to not fade away in other countries, but in America, there will still be a large fanbase. I say in about 5 years, it will still be popular, but not to the extent that it is at this point in time.
Also, the whole thing about "The fanbase is toxic!" all boils down to one thing: don't let the fans ruin how you view anything. Just have a listen, and base your opinions on what you heard, not what the fans will think of you.
BigTimeReview I agree. If you allowed rabids to get in the way of enjoying a group's music you'd be left with nobody to listen to.
Well said.
You were not wrong
Personally, not gonna rebutt the main subject of the video (if kpop is a passing trend), I'm just gonna drop some album recommendations and hopefully someone who reads this who's interested in seeing what the genre is about will check them out. But first I'm gonna say why I'm into kpop for those who think that the fans are only in it because the members are attractive. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of people who are in it for those reasons and hype up shitty music. But that's not the only reason why I'm into it. Is that a factor? Sure. But it's not the only reason. If I was just into it for their looks, I wouldn't have an insane number of b sides from groups who I don't even stan in my spotify playlists. I like kpop because, as Fantano said, it's an interesting genre due to how it's based off of a Korean view of western pop. This results in a lot of interesting trends and styles. There are albums and groups that have influences from everywhere, and it's fascinating. You'll have a group like Mamamoo that releases bossa nova style music and then will turn around and drop a banging pop record. You get into kpop if you wanna hear something that's familiar, yet something that's different as well due to how it incorporates all sorts of genres and trends from around the world.
And yeah, the lyrics are mostly garbage. There are some exceptions (B.A.P, BTS, Stray Kids, some Seventeen stuff, etc), but most of it is stuff that you'd hear in Western pop songs. But you don't get into the genre for the lyrics. You get into it for the catchy songs with interesting composition and influences. And now I'm gonna drop my album recommendations.
• Stray Kids - I am Not (as well as their mixtape Hellevator)
Stray Kids is easily one of my favorite kpop groups and they just debuted. They take influences from earlier Linkin Park stuff, yet they make it their own as well. Their lyrics are also really socially conscious (in regards to what high schoolers go through at least). They tackle the system that forces kids to conform to a strict standard in order to succeed, they talk about being moody for no reason, they talk about not knowing who you truly are at that age, and much more. They also write their own music, which is great. They have 3 members called "3racha" that write a lot of the tracks. If you dislike kpop because you think it's manufactured, you need to check out Stray Kids. They're such a fresh of breath air and are anything but manufactured.
The rest of these groups are also groups that write their own songs and talk about a variety of things in their lyrics. I'm not gonna write a whole thing like I did with Stray Kids for each one though.
• B.A.P - Fermata
• Mamamoo - Melting
• BTS - Wings (the HYYH series is also incredible)
• Exid - Full Moon
• Seventeen - AL1 (their whole discography is amazing though, please check them out if you get the chance)
Now onto the catchier pop stuff that isn't written by the groups if you don't mind that.
• Exo - Exodus
• Red Velvet - The Perfect Red Velvet (lots of 80s and r&b homage, is easily among my top 5 kpop albums)
• F(x) - Pink Tape (Red Light is also fantastic)
Now for soloists
• Lee Hi - Breathe
• Luna - Free Somebody
I haven't listened to too many other soloists, but IU is the best one in my opinion. She also writes her own songs if you worry about authenticity. Her best album is either Palette or Modern Times, but her whole discography post-Modern Times (minus Kkot Galpi #2) is some of the best I've ever heard, regardless of country of origin or genre. Give her a listen
I really like BTS. They are pretty talented and their music is catchy. BUT DAMN. the fan base is scaring me away. They get so triggered over every little thing and whenever someone states an opinion different than theirs The fans go wild. They just have to mention BTS and “ARMYYY” in every UA-cam video comment section. Even if the video has absolutely nothing to to with K- Pop. I have nothing against BTS, just the fans.
Most of us are civilized and nice you know, just check the BTS album reviews he made and you'll see a peaceful comment section
I hated the gay boys because of their gay fans
I don’t think that all of us are like that sure they are a lot but those are Toxic fans or just newbie‘s I have seen and even talked with a lot of those fans it actually can be pretty annoying but everybody can like what they want but I agree with the all the time mention Bts and Army thing it’s something that really annoys me a lot ( and I know my username doesn’t really help my opinion 😅😂)
Good to know you like them. However their fans are also responsible for their success and the relationship between BTS and fans is important as BTS even write about them in their songs. You should have some respect for the relationship if you want to like the group because its important to them. BTS only care about their fans anyway.
yeah their fans are annoying asf
I feel like Kpop is big in America because Americans are more susceptible to fangirling and obsessive pop culture, like the people who call Beyonce their queen, or Lady Gaga's Monsters. BTS have their army, Shinee have a thing, etc. The music is very pop oriented, easy to listen to, easy to digest; not only that but Korean work ethic is a lot different to the west, they work fucking hard here, so these people are the best of the best, they can fucking DANCE, they can SING, and Korean culture is quite shallow when it comes to appearance so these people are always the most beautiful people you will ever see. It's a shallow industry designed to make a fuck tonne of money by merchandising everything but there is a lot of talent in there admittedly. I get goosebumps when I see EXO dancing the chorus of Monster, fuck me that leg work.
There's also some genuinely good KPOP written by the artists themselves and beautifully produced, for example Jonghyun's solo record 'She Is' and Taemin's solo record 'Press It'. being here living and working in Korea I'm exposed to a lot of it, and it really is a culture of obsession. my students will turn up with pictures of their idols with them, just carrying it around.
Hejira#2854 When you said that K-pop is a big thing in US, i'll add a little bit. K-Pop is not only big in US, it's a big thing for the pop listeners in general ('specially girls). I mean the way i see it in my country, man they also have a bunch of loyal fanbases here, and i won't doubt that in other countries that also has been enjoying pop musics.
Not just in the US, it's becoming a global phenomenon. I remember just 2 years ago I was the "weird girl" of the school because I liked Kpop. These days there are at least 5 hardcore kpop fans in every class. It's insane how it became this huge in this short amount of time.
Exactly this
K-pop is the musical equivalent of baby food. It tastes bland, goes down easy, and isn't too hard on your stomach. Just like most pop music nowadays.
heh heh heh you have no idea how much worse fangirling is in asia
not sure if anyone has disputed this comment already, but bts' members do take direct participation in the composing, writing, and production of their music. of course, there are groups that do have an entire team of music-makers working behind the scenes but recently there has been a surge of what we call "self-producing" idols where many of them are starting to write and compose their own music. and i agree that these people (with the sudden popularity of bts) seem to think it's a passing trend when really, kpop has been around for a g e s and international audiences have been listening to kpop for literally ages!!! it didn't just start in 2017, it's been here for a while. it's kind of a super western-centric tendency to just talk of it like how america reacts to something is the only thing that matters.
btw i didn't expect the comment section to be this cancerous but thanks for proving me wrong lmfao
Honestly bts's participation in their own music production is vastly overrated they definitely take part in the writing. Production? Not so much.
aohorii suziya idk where you've heard about it but i never claimed they produced every single song they've put out. they have been credited for a handful of their songs. but if anyone has said otherwise then you have a point, for the most part they have other people producing their songs. i just think it's unfair to discount the effort that they've made to produce a number of them
starryknight What's your point? Pop groups have written their own music since the 70s, that's not new by any facit. Beastie Boys, Sugar Hill, Run DMC, and now Brock Hampton, and N.E.R.D. K-pop isn't innovating by any means, and even furthermore I guarantee that most K-pop groups aren't like whichever group you're referring to an have their own writing teams. Hell I bet that BTS has a writing team as well even if they help with the process. Whereas Brockhampton Sugar Hill and N.E.R.D *are* their writing teams.
Eryk pannell WHERE in my comment did i EVER say that kpop was being innovative by having some idols write their own music??? my entire point was that i am TIRED of people acting like every idol in the kpop industry is just a puppet. my point is that i'm tired of people discrediting the work they put in. to address the second half of your comment, in the cases where idols do not write their own music, WHY does that render their entire career invalid? why does that make their effort as performers invalid? why does that not make their music real? they give their writers, composers, and producers credit where credit is due. it's not like they're claiming to own anything that isn't theirs. the most excellent classical musicians perform pieces someone else has composed. i daresay there isn't anyone who would contest their worth as a musician. so WHY is kpop considered to be inferior to brockhampton, sugar hill, nerd? fucking enlighten me because i don't seem to understand
I'm not even super into kpop or anything but Blackpink kinda goes hard
On one hand you listen to top, on the other hand.....You listen to black pink
WoooOoooOOooW
I don't like KPop, I prefer JRock (Japanese rock, majorly One OK Rock). But since Asians out there are making moves (I'm Asian), I support them. // The only thing I hate is, the fandom. They're so toxic. You say one thing about their idols (for example : "Taehyung's tie doesn't go with his shoes") you will receive an essay's long lecture (how ignorant you are about fashion or how blind you are), and a death threat at the end. And it's funny when white people try to get into the Asian culture. I mean, I don't find anything wrong with it (some people do, and will accuse the said white fans as racist) but there's this one German KPop fan who said she is in transition into changing herself from being German to Korean. It's just so funny tbh.
I like Jrock too especially old Jrock like B'z Spitz and Glay and I agree that there are some really immature kpop fans who get triggered about everything and want to be Korean, but not all are like that and since you like Jrock I suggest day6 :)
Let’s pretend like we have never seen a asian person who is a white worshipper ..
liver666 *Listens to a white artist... Gets labeled a white worshipper. // Dude, white worship is different from admiring white artists. 😑
LeanneGC101 you do know that kpop's "culture" is strictly just black culture with asian faces right? Hip hop, r&b, edm, and rock were all created by black people.
black bruce thats widely ignorant. Rock was definitely not whole black
I don't get the hate for Korean music, I think their continuing infiltration into western pop culture can only be a good thing. I used to believe the American mainstream won’t give East Asians a chance to succeed in the music industry. Let's face it, to an extent, that's the reality. They think an Asian artist won’t sell or isn’t as marketable as a White, Black or Latino artist. It's nice to see considerable hype and major backing behind an Asian face in this industry, and not just as a walking-talking meme like Psy was. 🙄
Asians just want to be included. Is that too much to ask?
Perfect Blue is more relevant than ever. It's hard to ignore the darker aspects of the culture. The excessive plastic surgery, the nationwide obsession with the stars that drives stalkers... It seems even more heightened than what we've seen with American pop.
That's mainly from the three biggest companies (JYP, YG, SM), BTS came from a small company that was nearly bankrupt. They all slept together in one room, and none of them have had plastic surgery. They also aren't even THAT popular in korea, if they walk around in Brazil or the US they have a higher chance to be chased by fangirls than in Korea.
tyler Way to downplay your faves' popularity. Sure they're no EXO or Wanna One domestically but their fans in Korea do skew younger (like, school age) so it's not like the bulk of their fans have the time or energy to chase them around 24/7 but they gain popularity every time they drop their softer tracks (I Need U, Run, Spring Day) and while they may not have single-member recognition like groups like EXO they have major name and brand recognition. Like, if you say BTS people will know them and at least one or two songs of theirs.
Also groups from smaller companies get plastic surgery too lol
RM has a very distinct nose, really small with almost no nose bridge. He has always had that and if he would get plastic surgery he would make his nose more normal right?
J-Hope always has an artificial looking nose, so even koreans thought he had plastic surgery. But than they released his school pictures and he had the same nose even then. www.koreaboo.com/uncategorized/bts-j-hopes-school-photos-shuts-down-rumors-of-plastic-surgery-among-netizens/
And BigHit would not have money for plastic surgery in their debut years. The one that changed the most is Jungkook, but he was 15 at the time of his debut so it's natural that he changes a lot.
It's just celebrities getting work done. In which part of the world is that news?
for BTS, its more like puberty hit them like a truck. In beginning of their career, they has been dissed for being ugly idols....so harsh... but then through the years, they grow to be fine men and even become visual group nowadays.It never hurt to be handsome while being so talented.
As someone who listens to K-pop on a semi-regular basis, I personally grew to love it. Looking at the formulaic style of both Western and Korean pop music, it's clear how they both became popular music genres to begin with.
The overall attitude of both genres is similar, but the lenses that the groups/artists themselves view each genre is quite unique. As Anthony said in the video, South Koreans are able to look at Western pop music in a 'bird's eye view', without the cultural aspects of the living in the west altering their perception of the music. What I have found in recent years is that many Asian countries, in general, are becoming influenced by Western ideals, behaviors, and other major aspects of Western culture. This is most noticeable in the music and fashion industries.
The K-pop group I listen to the most frequently is the boy band BTS (Beyond the Scene). I've started listening to their music in early 2014. Since then, I've listened to a majority of their music and followed them during their musical career. In my opinion, this group embodies the influence the West has had on South Korean music, so I'll use their career as sort of a 'case study.'
BTS is a group of seven members, under the company BigHit Entertainment. BigHit (ironically) began as quite a small company, with no noticeably popular acts being produced for quite a while. When BTS debuted on June 12th, 2013, with their song and music video "No More Dream," which was heavily inspired by Western hip-hop music, no one suspected that they'd become a group like they are today. Due to their low visibility at the beginning of their career, BTS could barely afford sustainable meals for periods of time, yet they continued making music and doing what they loved.
BTS consists of Jungkook (the youngest, vocalist) V - aka Taehyung (the second youngest, vocalist) Jimin (the third youngest, vocalist/dancer) RM - previously known as Rap Monster (the fourth oldest, leader of the group, rapper) J-Hope (the third oldest, rapper/dancer) Suga - has a separate rapper identity known as Agust-D (the second oldest, rapper) and Jin (the oldest, vocalist). Unlike many other K-pop groups, members of BTS typically write and produce most of their music, or at least have some influence on the tracks created. Suga, RM and J-Hope are very involved in the production and creation of all BTS albums and songs. The group as a whole began their music career based on hip-hop, with their debut album '2 Cool 4 Skool' reflecting typically hip-hop beats, flows, and attitudes. However, as they grew, they began to experiment with more styles of pop, R&B, and electronic music.
The most recent album (as of December 13th, 2017) is titled 'Love Yourself: Her', and was released September 18th, 2017. The album is heavily influenced by the electronic genre, and was mainly written by the rap-line of BTS. Ever since the group's debut, BTS has written their songs over a variety of subjects. Many songs talk of hardships involving school, relationships, etc., and they tend to target a young adult/teenager demographic. However, they have produced many songs also discussing politics, ethical problems, and so on. BTS makes music to promote specific messages, typically with a deeper meaning than first observed by the listener.
Naturally, like all pop groups, there are many love songs and the like. The point is, however, that there are K-pop groups that spread their creative wings to connect and relate with the consumers, whether it be through a love song or a hardcore rap track. As said previously, I believe that BTS showcases this the most often, and with the most frequency.
In my opinion, K-pop will likely stay for quite a while, as long as it adapts and continuously relates with those who listen to it. Despite all of the positives, there are plenty of negatives to certain aspects of K-pop, such as strict schedules, long hours of extensive exercise, some idols starving themselves for comebacks, etc., with attention to these problems, sensible companies and managers will change. It'll take dedicated, educated fans to bring to light these issues, allowing the idols to blossom healthily and responsibly.
While K-pop has some structurally imbalances, so does Western pop. Instead of all of the impurities lying mostly in the companies, like with K-pop, Western pop artists themselves tend to make some irresponsible choices, as would many artists under immense pressure from the public to maintain a good image. Clearly, the two genres are similar, yet they grew from different backgrounds. They evolved contrastingly, despite having the same goal; to be popular.
Sorry for the long essay, but this topic really hits home for me. I wanted to help give context to anyone who doesn't know K-pop, so sorry if those knowledgeable in the subject find this redundant. Have a wonderful day/night/evening
I’m not the biggest kpop fan but I do know that BTS are very involved in their own music when it comes to producing and writing
@5:28 "Big kpop groups like bts are only really successful cos of the people that actually make the music, producers n shit."
So who is gonna tell him?
So you're gonna sweep BTS's usual producers under the rug aren't you.
Elle Horrifiée This reach lmao what makes you think I'm brushing aside Pdogg and Slow Rabbit? I just didn't like the implication that BTS doesn't put shit into their own music. If anyone is sweeping shit under the rug, it's the person I quoted and you.
ᴩʀᴏᴩʜᴇᴛ ᴍɪɴ Yᴏᴏɴɢɪ Still, most of their music is made by their producers.
Elle Horrifiée I guess writing and composing isn't considered a part of making music now? Okay.. keep overlooking what I said to fit your own narrative.
they rarely take a big part on the production (ofcourse there are song like suran's wine and bts her prod by suga, etc) but most of the time bighit producers are the most involved.
Hey Anthony do a K-Pop and J-Pop starter pack, not because you want to but because I told you to.
Dj Togusa he’s an uncultured melon
Man I don't really understand the comments saying "i liked kpop but the fandom turned me off of it." Fandoms should have no effect on how you enjoy an artists music. I recently went on a subreddit and discord related to BTS to check it out and people are just being nice. People even criticize things and just have normal discussions about it. I have been consuming kpop content for like 8 years and never had any bad interactions with fandoms. In fact I rarely interact with them. I just listen to music and watch videos, occasionally comment, and nothing happens. I think you would have to actively seek conflict to experience the crazy fandom. Like where are people hanging out online that they are somehow experiencing a bunch of crazy fan stuff? Maybe you commented on something, and someone responded like a dick? That happens no matter where you comment on the internet because the internet is full of crazy illogical people. Every genre of music has it's cray fans with a superiority complex that think "this music is better than all other music and everything else is trash". All I'm trying to say is, if you like the music, listen to it. Don't care about what other people are doing.
The cancer is on UA-cam and Twitter only though. Which is the same with every fanbase besides the gaming one because they aren't that into it.
Thank you for the comment about anime being a game changer for the animation industry, thumb'd up for that.
In my view of kpop, it's enjoyable but it's just the radical fanbases from boy bands like BTS that make me want to isolate myself from them.
I still don't get why kpop fans say "gay" so much lmao
Reverse SteveJobs I would believe it's the relationships of some of the band members maybe. Not 100% sure but that's just from what I've seen.
Cirrus I guess so. Don't blame you for not being 100% sure about it. Like, I've seen this post calling kpop lyrics "gay" when it wasn't even gay lol. Oh well, those niggas are weird.
Broke & racist white bois hate seeing Asians (especially Asian dudes) excelling and being praised so they make excuses to bash on them smfh
Get ur racist ass head out ur asses
TRAPSEOUL-BIBLE 트랩 서울 I mean. Like I mentioned. I try to avoid fandoms of these groups like the plague and just make myself a listener because I have no need to associate myself with fangirls.
yeah musically kpop may be nothing new. its what kpop has to offer. kpop artists seem much closer to their fans. western artist have lost that connection to fans
Anti-Social they have nothing to offer they aren’t good at all
Ian Zenak Any evidence on that?
Ian Zenak I'd like to see some reasons as to why you think that way. Show me some videos of kpop that you saw that made you think they have nothing good to offer I'm curious.
They are not close. They just put lots of behind-the-scenes and vlogs about what they do to sell the illusion that they are close to their fans. There is talent, there is effort, pain and loss but in the end those kids and young men are just cogs of an industry. Once the shelf life is over they are swept away to make room for new bands to fill in the hole they left. Just like most music industries
Kpop artists arent closer to their fans in any genuine way they just do more pandering and fan service.
In the Philippines, when you say 'BTS is Gay' and a fangirl hears you, then you're about to get slapped and kicked in the balls (that happened to me once)
Mga trying hard fans tawag don HAHHAHAAHAH
Bruh now I wanna move to that country now and bring a bat.
Oh well learn self defence ig
Same in Japan
Shouldn't have said it then 👉💅🤷♂️
I dont hate Kpop music...
but I hate Kpop Fans fantasies hahaha
Totally agree
Yeah, but I don't like K-pop neither.
Same here.
i dont really care about Kpop music much, i'd listen to it on the radio if it gets played but I cant stand the toxic fandoms...theyre absolutely fucking mental
@@jtof9371 ikr?!! Honestly kpop music for me basically reminds me of the non-vulgar version of most mainstream western songs. But welp, at least they have some sorta meaningful lyrics tho
good video, but did you really need to stop at 5:50 to go on about how lynchings should be brought back for minorities? A little bit unneeded imo
+Gabriel Calderon how did this start, I'm not fallowing enough
What else do you expect from a neo nazi shoving swastikas down your throat every 5 seconds who gave lil pump the same rating as damn
A lot of kpop productions are outsourced to american production houses, in many cases it's not so much korean artists having a perceptive grasp of western music & putting their spin on it so much as them hopping onto the same production line.
I like kpop because it lets me listen to vocals purely as an instrument, and a lot of the korean-written kpop is nostalgic of 2000s pop I grew up with, especially bts' hyyh albums ^_^
A lot of the western-written kpop songs are nostalgic of early 2000s pop too. Give SHINee's '1 of 1' album a listen if you want early 90s to mid 2000s pop realness.
556 Music well put I listen to it also because it reminds me of earlier 2000s and late 90s music
"A lot of kpop productions" limit that to mostly one company in Korea and that is SM entertainment. Chances are that smaller companies can't afford foreign producers to stick to their own. You can really tell because SM songs sound very western when they used foreign producers while they do sound less western when they use a korean one.
It's more western than just American, and the one label that outsources the most to western producers and has the money to is SM Entertainment. What I like about their outsourced material is that they're a mixture of modern and older sounds in pop, especially when talking about R&B music. SM has an incredibly flawless record of getting the most nostalgic and soulful R&B music that is simply very hard to find in the west.
ANDSTONE100 Yes. Red Velvet's 'Kingdom Come' and Seohyun's 'Don't Say No' were godsends.
i know this is an old video but i finally watched this after i, myself, got into kpop 😂
so far my opinion/conclusion is... kpop is fun because of the culture surrounding it. i feel like the biggest appeal is we're watching fairly good looking people interact with each other. we get to see them almost every day through social media and contents in a way that we will never see a western artist be. it feels very personal and you'll get overwhelmed by the amount of content these days. and i also feel that most kpop fans like the music because they see how its made and see how hard the members' practiced that its hard to dislike the songs. with western artists, i have moments where i seek new sounds or perhaps at some point i got bored with an artist because they got the same flow in every track. but with kpop artist i mostly enjoyed it because im watching them... so its an audio visual experience. i mostly still listen to rap when im working to get me amped, and listen to rnb when im chilling. but with kpop i feel the need to WATCH, not only listen. most kpop are well made pop songs so i think its fine to enjoy them. i totally agree with the statement they're not trying to break new grounds but just trying to play on the same level. i feel most kpop does thrive off of trends tho
also, i have tons of friends who got into kpop or kdrama because they actually got tired of western media because of how gloomy/serious/dark they are. most of these people got into kpop to escape and i guess thats why a lot of kpop are feel good songs with gorgeous visuals to distract/ease the mind. i think this aspect also matters on why kpop is successful
i think it's more than just kpop as Music yknow, they have a lot of visual things going on that are reallyreally cool, they try to tell stories throughout their albums making mv, short films and stuff and i guess that's what's been missing in all Pop lately.
also, a lot of kpop groups make/produce/write their own music so it's not just about "the people they work with".
As someone who's gone from listening to Bjork and Interpol to BTS and groups of the like, I actually really enjoy listening to it. I like being able to focus on music rather than corny lyrics, and when you look into some of these lyrics they can be quite artistic! Even though this genre doesn't push any boundaries, it's still nice and fun to listen to, and BTS is the best group to pioneer the start of the blurring of cultural lines as they write and produce their own music. Thanks for talking abt this, melon! I've been wanting 2 hear ur opinion on K-pop for a while
Agreed.
Um big bang says hello
Big bang's Gdragon is the pioneer of idol producing their own music, and then Zico popularized it by always expressing that producing ur own music will keeps u in the industry and gaining respect. You seem new on kpop scene, so I'm just helping here so ull not get hate by other og if u write the same comment on kpop related videos
[SEA]S - South-East Asian Squad lmao this comment is about BTS but ok i guess
They mentioned big bang and Zico because they are really the people who made kpop popular in the west in the first place, not bts, like this obviously new kpop fan is trying to say they did.
The original commenter clearly does not know what they are talking about, I'm not saying bts didn't contribute at all, but they are most definitely not the first idols or group to do anything, these new fans fail to realize.
Second Gen groups are the real pioneers.
Ii's simply pop music from a different country. In Korea, it's simply called pop. I doubt they call American pop "A-pop"....
jammadamma sadly some people actually do it lol
jammadamma Thank you. Couldn't agree with you more.
jammadamma not really though, it’s more different. If you would use the same music and change the language it wouldn’t really fit in with the western pop styles
Not saying it isn't a unique style, just that Koreans don't call it "K-pop".
it isn't a unique style, just shittier western pop but in korean.
I like KPOP, it's literally what that one commenter said - it's just Korean Pop. There's no difference in innovation but the themes of the songs are very different. Ignoring groups or singers that are supposed to be 'hard' like Big Bang or BTS or any Kpop rap in General (or Khiphop), the genre has a lot of weird music that is obviously tailored to the younger generation. The boy crush songs, girl crush songs, annual release of Christmas songs with every member of a company being involved in a cheesy music video, it's wholesome.
Kpop reminds people of a world before you had responsibilities, it's so pure it brings people back. This is ignoring the groups that specifically focus on being sexy and selling sex.
Personally, I think Kpoppers are delusional in that they think Kpop is going to change the game, I highly doubt it's going to TAKE OVER the world or blow up as big as they think it will. I think the level of fandom is going to stay the same as it is now, maybe a few more stars will appear but I think it's just going to be one of those things where some people will have a kpop song or two on their playlist, and that's it.
With that being said, I don't think anyone would mind that. People are still enjoying BTS and SNSD in their own time, if you find them you can just enjoy their music, they don't necessarily need to blow up.
BTS isn´t generic in my opinion, they studied western music and then they make it their own but a little bit different and with other messages, or at least for me it feels fresh. BTS isn´t successful just bcs of their producers or company (that´s a fact not my opinion)... almost everyone that has been listening of them for a while knows that they have grown from the bottom, they produce and help producing most of their dances & songs. But don´t misunderstand, as an army, I´m very thankful to this critics bcs it helps them to improve; and, now one of their goals is that: to produce and entire album by themselves (I´m so hype for that and ppl who enjoy bts will support them anyways)