Mecca or Petra? Early Islamic History Ep. 7

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  • @mikegreen2229
    @mikegreen2229 4 роки тому +65

    I’ve been born again as of Nov. 2018. I always believed in God and became a lukewarm Christian over time. I did shrooms, drank, but mostly smoked pot everyday. I look back and can’t believe how patient Jesus has been waiting for me (I’m 40). I have been saved by an angel or Jesus (not sure at the time) at least twice, but possibly 3 times.
    A voice told me to let off the gas pedal when I was going through an intersection, as soon as I did, a truck blew a stop sign that would have killed me. I also fell asleep at the wheel another time and WOKE up while driving sitting upright and very much positioned like a robot. I ended up on the other side of town somehow! Fell into a pool’s deep end as a child, somehow my mother knew to check on me and pulled me out.
    I had another experience where I was praying about a relative that was brutally murdered and burned alive years prior. I was HIT like a sledgehammer with unexplainable peace and joy. Instantly tears poured out of my eyes and I had the breath sucked out of me, totally winded. It was like I was experiencing the joy of heaven but my human body could not handle it! I also experienced an interaction with several demons in the basement of a psychic lady’s house who summoned them and spoke to them nightly. The fear and anger I felt as their eyes pierced my soul was like nothing of this earth......,over and over and over Jesus was calling me!!! I was too much of a fool to notice, even though I believed in Him!
    In November of 2018, after a minor argument with my fiancée, I heard a demon’s voice talk to me telepathically in my mind- “I hate you, I’ll kill you and tear your family apart.” With the most conviction in my soul I commanded that thing to leave my house in the name of Jesus Christ. Every room in the house I yelled at it. I felt our Lord blast through my house and beat those things down! Whoosh gone! I prayed and thanked him and repented for allowing them to get close to me. He talked to me telepathically asking me questions and made me feel the guilt of my sins. Lots of information as a sort of psychic download into my heart and mind simultaneously. Question 1: “After all I’ve done for you, what have you done for Me, and others?” Question 2: “Am I NOT enough for you?” Then, the weight of my sins lifted, it was incredible.
    Since that moment, I’ve had no desire to drink, smoke, blaspheme, masterbate, be angry, stressed out or sin at all. Wanting to share love with no other possible explanation. I notice the tiniest signs he puts in my path....I see them right away and chuckle, seeing He really does work in mysterious ways. I fully understand how to have a relationship with him and not need to physically see or hear our relationship. He is incredible people! Let him into your heart! I had felt in my soul the the extremes of joy and sorrow through just some of my life experiences..... Feeling the presence of God and Satan deep inside through strange encounters. For that, I am blessed to KNOW Christianity is the truth, yet I STILL tried to not fully commit.
    He wants us all to repent and accept Him. He actually told me this! Don’t think you can sin all your life and God will be OK with it. He really will reward you if you follow with all your heart!! If you’d like to see the full story, check it out here- https ://ua-cam.com/video/W5Ib0N_0Kdg/v-deo.html

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +5

      To many forget how our Master Rabbi really treated people even going so far as joining in their parties but always showing us how to use the first great commandment and the second in which all and the prophets are met, with love and peace that is beyond human understanding.

    • @mikegreen2229
      @mikegreen2229 3 роки тому +1

      @J DV Your welcome

    • @flotiggy
      @flotiggy 3 роки тому +1

      That will be the shrooms and pot. Not unlike the prophet M himself.

    • @vasosdemetriou4499
      @vasosdemetriou4499 3 роки тому

      John

    • @Pax-Africana
      @Pax-Africana 3 роки тому

      Only Jesus can say If one is born again or not...

  • @kornika777
    @kornika777 3 роки тому +15

    Muslim brethren, if you’re so secure about your religion, why do you get agitated when it’s being scrutinised? If you genuinely believe it’s not corrupted, let it be tested and let those who test and challenge its authenticity be humiliated if ever they are wrong. Wouldn’t you be glad and proud to see them fail if they can’t find holes in it?

    • @sweetpotato6153
      @sweetpotato6153 2 роки тому

      They can't do pretty much themselves other than following blindly the traditional scholars. They need to use their brains once in a while. I was born muslim, stayed muslim for 20 years and then left islam. I'm happy to leave this cult. But can't go public becoz i still live in muslim majority state. And it's dangerous here.

  • @echoromeo384
    @echoromeo384 4 роки тому +98

    You're always killin em with facts and you all are so important for the movement and for islamic historical critiques. Thank you all brothers and stay safe. God bless

    • @treasasamuel4105
      @treasasamuel4105 4 роки тому +7

      But Muslims are cemented by their faith in Allah-Satan and his incarnation Muhammad

    • @baroudimiloud8273
      @baroudimiloud8273 4 роки тому

      You are cemented to your lavish downward world of disbelief.
      Beware of what you type here.
      Satan is in every letter in your words, Unless you repent, Your value is down less the value of a little piece of dust on the shoes of one of his followers.

    • @baroudimiloud8273
      @baroudimiloud8273 4 роки тому +2

      ALL of the comments against Islam here are dramatically funny and virtually crazily revealed by SATAN. A reasonable person will only laugh at the blindness in some so-called humans.

    • @echoromeo384
      @echoromeo384 4 роки тому +3

      @@baroudimiloud8273 we don't follow pagan pedophiles. We'll leave that up to his sheep blindly following a madman. It's almost so obvious he's a bullshitter it's embarrassing. I have to admit though he did a great ensuring future herds of sheep 🐑 will blindly follow him into the abyss of stupidity.

    • @baroudimiloud8273
      @baroudimiloud8273 4 роки тому +1

      @@echoromeo384 Your words tell well of you. Those who resort to this unethical manner are the ones who lost themselves and who further get into the abyss for it is from their very context and register.

  • @Rosshannah1695
    @Rosshannah1695 4 роки тому +71

    An excellent series of lectures, God bless Al Fadi and Jay Smith for bringing this to us.

    • @hessam-deanhadaegh903
      @hessam-deanhadaegh903 3 роки тому

      Dummy

    • @marcelinogamutan6000
      @marcelinogamutan6000 3 роки тому

      @@hessam-deanhadaegh903 Right you are !

    • @jambo3751
      @jambo3751 3 роки тому

      All ruins demolished to extend that biggest holy mosque and building modern skyline surrounding the mosque.

    • @m005kennedy
      @m005kennedy 3 роки тому

      @@jambo3751 I don’t understand what you wrote. You seem to be missing words.

    • @bipslone8880
      @bipslone8880 3 роки тому

      I notice a lot of "God bless"'s on the comments. The Jewish and Christian Religion, Prophets and Gods are built on just as shaky grounds.

  • @samendican2124
    @samendican2124 2 роки тому +3

    Facts to back it up great work. Great closing remarks by Fadi

  • @beforeabrahamwasim
    @beforeabrahamwasim 4 роки тому +67

    Thank you for this series and for your work Brother Al Fadi... God bless you and your work

    • @beforeabrahamwasim
      @beforeabrahamwasim 4 роки тому +2

      @1-800-HOES-MAD x Brother Al Fadi is a Christian. He left Islam for the truth...

    • @beforeabrahamwasim
      @beforeabrahamwasim 4 роки тому +1

      @1-800-HOES-MAD x yes. He is Saudi.

  • @einarsveinbjorn3725
    @einarsveinbjorn3725 3 роки тому +36

    Jay Smith is a total master of this subject - great work.

    • @jady317
      @jady317 3 роки тому +3

      Master of disguise

    • @williamgarayua5878
      @williamgarayua5878 3 роки тому +6

      Dear@@jady317 : Show your reasoning to help others for a peaceful world.

    • @solomonraju3561
      @solomonraju3561 3 роки тому +1

      Okay please clarify me ,did Mohammed went back to Petra from Medina or to mecca(at Kaaba) .which place did then did he gave the sword verses? Is it at Petra.

    • @eljumaidilbinahmad2464
      @eljumaidilbinahmad2464 3 роки тому +2

      Jay Smith is a paid author and that is why he fabricates stories.

    • @ahsenkhan5386
      @ahsenkhan5386 3 роки тому

      Jay Smith is a Christian extremist aplogist

  • @naturefrontiersabah9297
    @naturefrontiersabah9297 3 роки тому +9

    What a revelation! Great learning. Thank you CIRA International for this honest knowledge. God be with all of you!

  • @kevinoneil56
    @kevinoneil56 3 роки тому +3

    Impressive. Thankyou both for your hard work and the gracious spirit in which you share these things.

  • @susilartosiswomartono9550
    @susilartosiswomartono9550 4 роки тому +51

    I do not be surprised someone will tell the long stories without evidences to defend Mecca. Just wait.
    Thanks to Al Fadi and Jay Smith for articulating the histories of Islam that make sense.

    • @PedroJrArceno
      @PedroJrArceno 6 місяців тому

      😂

    • @PedroJrArceno
      @PedroJrArceno 6 місяців тому

      Please use your commonsense. Any old place that is not abandoned and is continually developed and expanded you should not expect any evidence of old structures or old ruins remained in the vicinity.

  • @richardott8601
    @richardott8601 4 роки тому +6

    This is beautiful, how this video is clear at the end, what people in the video are aiming for. Interesting approach.

  • @innovati
    @innovati 4 роки тому +15

    So insightful, I love your chats with Jay, you two really bring the best discussion out of each other! Thank you for caring enough about people to make these videos

  • @WarriorWomann
    @WarriorWomann 4 роки тому +23

    As usual Al Fadi, you knocked it outta the park! Proud to call you brother. 🙏🏽

    • @thorerik4279
      @thorerik4279 3 роки тому

      Me being a PHD in history and master in astronomy. I can say that what he says is nonsense.
      This guy is a preacher so not sincere reasearch is done. HERE WHY:
      There wasnt methods to calculate excatly pin point presisition where the mecca is, and thus relied on old methods. And if you have to calculate over long distances of cource there will be a margin of error. So nothing to worry about. As the astronomy depeloved consederly in late 8th and 9 th centrury by muslim (taking and learning form Greek people og Indus people) and further depeloped it it became more precise. SO thats why. from a Scientific point of view. As the astronomy and methods to calculate direction become more refined. The later mosques have much more accurate direction.
      Have researched further more in religious case and, found out that:
      A muslims doesnt need to necesarly face mecca 100% for the prayer to bed acepted, of course you try your best by the means you have, still applies today if u are in dessert og remote area. Reason for the direction is to create a sense of unity and a same direction to pray. So suddently someone starts praying to north someone to south. (for example).
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibla

    • @malangi31
      @malangi31 3 роки тому

      I have a question for Mr. Dan. If i were to build a mosque in North or South poles, where should i build the qibla wall if i were to face Mecca (or even Petra)

    • @sweetpotato6153
      @sweetpotato6153 2 роки тому

      @@thorerik4279 It's not only about the qiblas, the topography doesn't match mecca. Mecca was no trade centre. It's evident from contemporary history. Mecca wasn't even habitable. It has no archeological significance. Even muslim archeologists pointed out this. You are as ignorant as your other momin brothers. I think your degree is a waste.

  • @juerbert1
    @juerbert1 4 роки тому +11

    Excellent work !

  • @SolaGratia.
    @SolaGratia. 4 роки тому +6

    I'm really frustrated with UA-cam lately. I used to be able to turn on my automatic play on Christian videos I like and it would auto play a similar video next. Now I'm getting the opposite view auto playing and so unless I make a Playlist, I end up having to stop and go to a video I actually want to hear.
    UA-cam should not be deciding that if I want to hear a Christian view of Islam, I should be moved to a Muslim view. I'm aware of the Muslim view. I want to learn how to respond to that view.
    In any case, I really appreciate your content lately Al. I'm looking forward to supporting your work in any way the Lord allows. I pray that God will continue to bless you and the work of your hands. 🙏🏻

  • @gilbertjones9157
    @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +22

    We need the references where the later Muslim scholars were puzzled by the direction of prayer other than Mecca. There also needs to have references that shows (photos) the Quiblas. There needs to be Hama mosque photos of the Quibla. Same with the Medmar Oman Mosque some are pointing that there is a question about which building there is the original mosque plus identifying what are the major building there.

    • @theworld303
      @theworld303 4 роки тому +1

      Gibson falsified information.

    • @phillipoleary2532
      @phillipoleary2532 4 роки тому

      The world, give examples please so we can check.

  • @VivoY-uu7dc
    @VivoY-uu7dc 4 роки тому +56

    Early Early Muslims worshiped a stone idol in Petra by Abdul

    • @francisgan4848
      @francisgan4848 4 роки тому +5

      Yes. Worship of the black stone (which isnt a stone but 8 pebbles wrapped in black resin) n the Yemeni stone coner ( stones taken from the temple of the moon god in Yemen) all found in the kaaba in mecca. Wat a joke.

    • @theworld303
      @theworld303 4 роки тому

      Where?

    • @treasasamuel4105
      @treasasamuel4105 4 роки тому +8

      Later they have copied some from Torah and Injeel and made Quran

    • @joelthomas1363
      @joelthomas1363 4 роки тому +1

      Here take a lovely guidance from our lovely jesus
      “Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.” Deuteronomy 10:16

    • @wattycuffee5664
      @wattycuffee5664 4 роки тому

      @Micheal Hnat LOL that couldn't be any further from the truth

  • @shirishkokatay9751
    @shirishkokatay9751 3 роки тому +15

    Wow - Such great testimony and a truly convincing presentation of evidence. God speed.

    • @bipslone8880
      @bipslone8880 3 роки тому

      God speed??? How fast is God?

    • @PedroJrArceno
      @PedroJrArceno 6 місяців тому

      😂

    • @PedroJrArceno
      @PedroJrArceno 6 місяців тому

      Please use your commonsense. Any old place that is not abandoned and is continually developed and expanded you should not expect any evidence of old structures or old ruins remained in the vicinity.

  • @avi3860
    @avi3860 4 роки тому +17

    Why NO Palestinian ancient artifacts in any part of the Middle East?

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому

      Because they are Arabs and part of a large Muslim empire that controlled the area for over 1000 years until you guys decided to come back, with the help of a couple of super powers, lots of money and lots of weapons. I will take a guess that your ancestors were not from the middle-east and probably fled persecution in Europe. Because you are the current victor, it's your turn to re-write history.

    • @stevenjohnson-yx1fl
      @stevenjohnson-yx1fl Рік тому

      God wiped out the philistines the new residents are arab rejects

  • @siulong1394
    @siulong1394 3 роки тому +15

    The mere fact that the Saudis have poured tons and tons of concrete on a city that's supposed to be the central city of their faith, where everything took place, together with Medina, and in which we are supposed to find all kinds of historical evidences supporting the "standard narrative" is revealing.
    Indeed, you don't see people building skyscrapers in Pompei nor in Jerusalem nor in Persepolis, because it would make no sense, considering the amount of archeological remains that are in there and the value that this remains have. But this is what the Saudis are doing in Mecca.

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому

      I'm a Muslim and think the Saudi family and Wahabis are imposters and thoroughly despised human beings and devil worshipers. Most Muslims hate the Saudi government. I'm glad Dan Gibson thinks Mecca is in Petra, the further away it is from Saudi the better. And that clock tower building is hideous.

  • @SarahHeidt1
    @SarahHeidt1 4 роки тому +32

    Would love to have this content presented in Arabic to share with friends!

    • @joelthomas1363
      @joelthomas1363 4 роки тому +3

      Here take a lovely guidance from our lovely jesus
      “Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.” Deuteronomy 10:16

    • @markramlucken8502
      @markramlucken8502 4 роки тому +5

      Sarah Heist You Can ask Alfadi or Jay n They can Let U Know How To Get The teachings

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому +1

      I'm a Muslim and find this research fascinating, I feel lucky I found it. Of course history is never clear and written by the victor. But my faith hasn't changed, even if Mecca is in the wrong place. And we love Jesus too.

  • @gilbertjones9157
    @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +30

    Hello Brothers, Have been relying to some of the Muslims who have commented at both channels. Looking forward to more information that can be used.

    • @mehdiakouche5306
      @mehdiakouche5306 3 роки тому

      Hagar and her son Ismael settled in the desert of Paran in the bible,and paran is west of petra on the map.

  • @CrossingJordan
    @CrossingJordan 4 роки тому +9

    This was wonderful - thank you brothers!

  • @trishplanck9776
    @trishplanck9776 3 роки тому +2

    I admire the way you present your facts, you don’t get angry and shake your fist at the Muslim people, you love the people and want them to see these facts so they can make the choice themselves. God bless you both.🙏

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому

      I'm a Muslim and I accept a lot of these findings, but it hasn't altered my faith, just made me aware of history and those who write it. I grew up with communist relatives who were critical of the religion, so I have heard about all these things growing up, like the Quran being possibly altered, Mecca being in the wrong location, Islam being managed by the worst people, etc... . What I have learned is to never take religion at face value, especially the origins of Islam, which were too political to be a stable force in people's lives. It's hard for me dismiss the Quran, since I see a lot of the modern world described in it. The Quran praises Jesus and Mary and we too believe he will return, possibly in our lifetimes.

  • @jackthisout9480
    @jackthisout9480 4 роки тому +8

    A muslim archaeologist, that is a novel concept.

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +2

      Something like China being on the UN's Human Rights Council.

  • @DaveYeo
    @DaveYeo 4 роки тому +5

    It's so refreshing on how the topics were being discussed, easy to listen and clear.....one just needs to watch and listen with an open heart and discover the truth
    Great job guys

  • @hugonegron3135
    @hugonegron3135 3 роки тому +2

    THIS WAS SO INTERESTING!!

  • @darylhoyt5012
    @darylhoyt5012 4 роки тому +8

    Truly, truly superb.
    Al Fadi, sir, is your ministry compiling this into and onto a DVD where all episodes are together?

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +3

      YES!! Please. A second to the motion All In Favor?

  • @Salreviews8
    @Salreviews8 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent discussion and true facts to know about .

  • @FreeRadical7118
    @FreeRadical7118 4 роки тому +9

    In the past two years, I read an article that said archeological efforts are starting in KSA, and I was curious what these digs would reveal. I know in Israel, scientists from many countries participate in the detective work, and they've shown nothing that shatters our biblical accounts. Until the mid 90s, many skeptics doubted the historical King David, and then the Tel Dan Stele was discovered, so that criticism has been laid to rest. I applauded Saudi for this bold move into ferreting out evidence of "historical" Islam (as opposed to the hysterical Islam we know), then I read that no non-Saudis would be allowed to participate in any excavation, so that eliminates any thought that truth will emerge from the efforts. I hope I live long enough to hear what fanciful tales will be told.

    • @foreverspice4464
      @foreverspice4464 4 роки тому +2

      @ Betsy Ross, what needs to officially come out of KSA for the whole world to know openly is where the real Mt Sinai is located and the mind-blowing findings of Ron Wyatt & his sons. The blackened mountain top is there, where God came down in the sight of all the children of Israel in fire,smoke, thundering & lightning. The split rock from which water gushed forth, the golden calf altar made by Aaron, with etchings of bulls upon the sides of the rocks are still there. And so many more evidences that shows the Biblical journey of Israel from out of Egypt, thru the Red Sea, camping in the wilderness, all are still there for archeologists to uncover. Instead today it is fenced off with guards around the area. Plz research the work of Ron Wyatt and a few other brave men who uncovered such truths against all odds. The real Jabal Musa, Jebel al Lawz is in KSA...be blessed.

    • @FreeRadical7118
      @FreeRadical7118 4 роки тому

      @@foreverspice4464 I've been aware of Wyatt's work for decades.

    • @foreverspice4464
      @foreverspice4464 4 роки тому

      @@FreeRadical7118, Great. He was indeed led by the Holy Spirit in his work in Biblical archeology.

    • @asheru9254
      @asheru9254 4 роки тому

      Israel is claiming Canaanites heritage and monuments as theirs🚮

    • @FreeRadical7118
      @FreeRadical7118 4 роки тому

      @@asheru9254 Bring me a legitimate news article on this.

  • @spiritofelijah5386
    @spiritofelijah5386 3 роки тому +2

    Everything that can be shaken, will be shaken.
    Only the truth is left standing, make your choice

  • @rasheedoyerinde2436
    @rasheedoyerinde2436 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for your great findings and research ,may the truth be told. ,I was once lost. Thank you Jesus

  • @ivtch51
    @ivtch51 3 роки тому +7

    Jay Smith cockily and haughtily proclaimed in a prior lecture on this issue that as an Evangelical fundamentalist Christian he possesses the complete revelation of God and that his religion does not contain such inconsistencies as here. I would dispute his overblown claims that the Bible is historically, textually and scientifically correct. I find his "I know it all" style rubs people up the wrong way and puts people off. If Wikipedia is correct Jay is not Jewish by the way.

  • @derickfester2111
    @derickfester2111 4 роки тому +9

    Thank you Jesus for these 2 brothers, it's evidence like this we can show our muslim friends and family the truth...Your rewards is awaiting you🙏

  • @ast3663
    @ast3663 3 місяці тому

    great evidence..Jay, are there any more archeological updates on this?

  • @jabirrehman6458
    @jabirrehman6458 4 роки тому +3

    And how do you explain the story of Abraham and Ismail the water of zam zam and the mountains of safah and marwah in islam

  • @recsporteducation4594
    @recsporteducation4594 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent presentation, and invitation.

  • @orthonews2176
    @orthonews2176 4 роки тому +20

    The sacred city of nabateans is clearly Petra......why do non Muslims have to do everything for Muslims... LoL

    • @omarlittle-hales8237
      @omarlittle-hales8237 4 роки тому +2

      Hiya Petra is mentioned in the Quran as a separate entity, from Mecca. Plus God has no beginning or end, how can he most high have a begotten child? Even the Angels cried at this and the Mountains wanted to shake to dust. ''Say he is God, the One Eternal, He begets not or is he born. There is none like Him''

    • @orthonews2176
      @orthonews2176 4 роки тому +2

      @@omarlittle-hales8237
      You are throwing your own words in like child......He is the eternal word.... eternally begotten!

    • @kevinsavasci7311
      @kevinsavasci7311 3 роки тому +1

      @@orthonews2176 you are the one who needs to grow up, if you want to debate do like an Adult. You people really show your disgusting intolerance towards others.

    • @kevinsavasci7311
      @kevinsavasci7311 3 роки тому +1

      @Mr webcam you are part of the problem people like you are full of hate, you call yourself a Christian but do the complete opposite of the Bible teachings, grow up and be an adult not a hate filled snake.

    • @kevinsavasci7311
      @kevinsavasci7311 3 роки тому

      @Mr webcam is that all you got loser.

  • @lindaclark6148
    @lindaclark6148 4 роки тому +3

    My spirit gets overwhelmed with knowing how DELUDED Muslims are. I grieve for them!

  • @lawrencechancheeleong6654
    @lawrencechancheeleong6654 3 роки тому +4

    Profound evidence, continue to uncover the truth that had been hidden for so long.Let those who have eyes see the truth & those who have ears hear the truth .

  • @douganelees-smith4814
    @douganelees-smith4814 4 роки тому +2

    More good insight from you guys - Thanks
    #InsideOutPerspective

  • @JuliasCaesar
    @JuliasCaesar 3 роки тому +3

    Beautiful lecture

  •  4 роки тому +1

    "The narrative has holes in it" " we don't talk about it" "there is a red line we do not cross"

  • @seanmacsweeney2985
    @seanmacsweeney2985 4 роки тому +2

    Have been watching Dan’s “Islam & Architecture” and it’s very fascinating

    • @thorerik4279
      @thorerik4279 3 роки тому

      Me being a PHD in history and master in astronomy. I can say that what he says is nonsense.
      This guy is a preacher so not sincere reasearch is done. HERE WHY:
      There wasnt methods to calculate excatly pin point presisition where the mecca is, and thus relied on old methods. And if you have to calculate over long distances of cource there will be a margin of error. So nothing to worry about. As the astronomy depeloved consederly in late 8th and 9 th centrury by muslim (taking and learning form Greek people og Indus people) and further depeloped it it became more precise. SO thats why. from a Scientific point of view. As the astronomy and methods to calculate direction become more refined. The later mosques have much more accurate direction.
      Have researched further more in religious case and, found out that:
      A muslims doesnt need to necesarly face mecca 100% for the prayer to bed acepted, of course you try your best by the means you have, still applies today if u are in dessert og remote area. Reason for the direction is to create a sense of unity and a same direction to pray. So suddently someone starts praying to north someone to south. (for example).
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibla

    • @seanmacsweeney2985
      @seanmacsweeney2985 3 роки тому +1

      @@thorerik4279 sadly your English is atrocious, and to add to that you are so incorrect in the navigational abilities of early Arabs it’s embarrassing

    • @thorerik4279
      @thorerik4279 3 роки тому

      ​@@seanmacsweeney2985 Navigation is different because you can always make correction underway. But to get a pin point direction, over several km is not something easy. Let me know if u can pin point the direction of your house from another continent using available tools form that time. And for you to get pin point direction. I have studied that. Let me know and would love to see how well u do.

    • @seanmacsweeney2985
      @seanmacsweeney2985 3 роки тому +1

      @@thorerik4279 now you are just embarrassing yourself, here’s a thought, you believe what you want, if it makes you happy

    • @thorerik4279
      @thorerik4279 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@seanmacsweeney2985 Embarrassing how? Again I chalLenge you to with pin point the direction of your house from another continent, or a good distance away.
      Keep in mind those days Astrolabe and quadrant wasnt as refined and accurate by late 8 th century.
      Neither did everyone have the luxury to own and know how to use it. So the direction was an estimate using stars and sun position to determine the position.
      Furthermore we know was Petra was under Ghassanids a roman vassal state part of roman empire. That is well documented by roman historians. So you are going against history too. Its not simply where the mosques direction is. Read of primary sources about how the world looked like in early 600. Making claims just out of direction of mosques is laughable at best.

  • @commentfreely5443
    @commentfreely5443 4 роки тому +18

    it was narrated that bill heard from tim who heard from jake who heard from bill who heard from sam who heard from the postman who heard from his dog who heard from a shoe who heard the prophet say 'don't come around to my house and ask me questions'

    • @mehmetsimsek4794
      @mehmetsimsek4794 4 роки тому

      Yes it was also narrated that bill heard from tim who heard from jake who heard from bill who heard from sam who heard from the postman who heard from his dog who heard from a shoe who heard that jesus resurrected from death. By the way how many people actually saw jesus being resurrected? Even in the Bible how many people actually say they saw the resurrection. Outside of the Bible do you have any source. Let alone Jesus being resurrected do you have any historical, scientifical, archaeological proof that he actually lived. We have more historical, archaeological sources about hercules than jesus.

    • @triwahyudi32u
      @triwahyudi32u 4 роки тому +5

      @@mehmetsimsek4794 there are 40 days between Jesus resurrection to His ascension's. He appears several times to His disciples. And there are many people besides His disciples eye witnessing as He Ascending to Heaven.

    • @mehmetsimsek4794
      @mehmetsimsek4794 4 роки тому

      @@triwahyudi32u Can you tell the names of those disciples and actually where does it say in the Bible from first person they actually saw it. And I would be preciated if you come with something other than "because bible tells me so". I can easily counter your argument by saying "Quran tells me so"

    • @mehmetsimsek4794
      @mehmetsimsek4794 4 роки тому

      @On Off There is no one shred of non-biblical historical account about jesus. I dare you to find one. Romans crucified hundreds of people. That is your evidence ?! Romans killed people! And I guess after killing him they made a special tomb for him out of respect. We know how romans bury or should I say not bury their crucified victims.

    • @periloustime4618
      @periloustime4618 4 роки тому +3

      @@mehmetsimsek4794 The Gospel is narrated by disciples of Jesus who lived together with Jesus. They knew HIM first hand, not generation after. . And Apostles Paul who wrote 13 letters in New Testament also met with Jesus personally (that is, after Jesus resurection). Other than that, there are other narratives (from Greeks, Jews, Romans who are not believers of Jesus) who wrote and confirm about Jesus. Historically, archeologically, Christianity is tested and proven. If Islam have historical and archeological problem, don't blame Christian. It's because of your fake prophet and fake al-lah.

  • @levimomo3982
    @levimomo3982 3 роки тому +3

    GOD BLESSES you Dr. Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith. Really interesting episodes, and I really admire this brilliant presentation and the historical evidence of the Islamic tradition (their qur'an, their prophet and caliphs, all the interpretation) proving the false narrative of their claim. Muslim believer should try to look and research for themselves as Dr. Al Fadi suggested to Muslim, so to make understand where they stand in their faith and beliefs.

  • @stephengilchrist3606
    @stephengilchrist3606 4 роки тому +14

    God bless you Jay Smith. This is greatly appreciated. ✝️

    • @joelthomas1363
      @joelthomas1363 4 роки тому

      Here take a lovely guidance from our lovely jesus
      “Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.” Deuteronomy 10:16

    • @UmiYogi0205
      @UmiYogi0205 2 роки тому

      Why do you need to work so hard to nullify Islam? 🤣🤣🤣

  • @SohoNights
    @SohoNights 4 роки тому +19

    Thank you so much!

  • @mzamroni
    @mzamroni 4 місяці тому

    simply by using google earth measuring tool in smartphone, we can see that al aqsa and dome of the rock faces exactly to petra not mecca.
    umar built the early mosque base on spec where muhammad praying direction.
    jordanians will be very happy on this

  • @gilbertjones9157
    @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +2

    We need to have Fadi and Smith put out a video on What has been copied from the Nestorian sources. "You need to know that they (all of them) were in contact with a group known as Nestorians who had been classified as being heretics. This is because Nestorus the one who came up with the theology that Jesus was not God. What he did was heap accolade on top of more seeking to cover all possible aspects of who he was without going to 'God'. This sounds very much like what they are saying from the Uma."

  • @FLISSATimes-Kabyle
    @FLISSATimes-Kabyle 4 роки тому

    I have a question, in the past we have PETRA in Kabylie juste near Algiers in North Africa, the queen Kyria sister of Firmus, do you know this ? What is the link between PETRA of Middle east and Amazigh PETRA from North Africa ?

  • @bartconnolly6104
    @bartconnolly6104 4 роки тому +7

    Allah did the miracle of getting islam to inaccuractly construct mosques to face petra but he did two greater miracles
    1 he removed all artifacts dating to the sixth century or earlier from Mecca from anywhere in the vicinity all the way back to the time of Abraham constructing the kaaba and
    2 he removed all historical references to mecca from anywhere in the world from any time before the ninth century!

  • @jabirrehman6458
    @jabirrehman6458 4 роки тому +1

    And so the prophet Muhammad lived in petra went to Mecca and died and buried in Medina it kind of makes sense in harmony with the abrahamic story

  • @edhisantoso1269
    @edhisantoso1269 4 роки тому +5

    Because Saud dynasti destroyed the sites from Mecca and Madinah

  • @stephenbaptist3077
    @stephenbaptist3077 3 роки тому +1

    Have you noticed the low number of likes ? Had this discussion been concerning Christianity it would've been in the millions.

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому

      I think most people find it interesting but also controversial. I'm a Muslim myself and find it fascinating, but have held back on giving it a thumbs up. Maybe more academic peer-reviewed research would be good.

  • @DeepakSharma-dd8qu
    @DeepakSharma-dd8qu 3 роки тому +5

    Truth always hurts, great discussion to open the eyes of people who don't know the truth

  • @solomonraju3561
    @solomonraju3561 3 роки тому

    Okay please clarify me ,did Mohammed went back to Petra from Medina or to mecca(at Kaaba) .which place did then did he gave the sword verses? Is it at Petra.

  • @SzTz100
    @SzTz100 Рік тому

    I'm a Muslim and I'm not offended, I appreciate your research. But my faith hasn't changed. By the way, we love Jesus too, so please relax.

  • @aberhan
    @aberhan 4 роки тому

    Regarding the Qibla, I think I understand this but please clarify if I am wrong. The Qibla is the longest wall comprising the extremity of the Mosque. If I were standing inside the Mosque facing the Qibla, I would be facing Mecca, or in the case of the earliest Mosques, Petra? Just to clarify what it means when you say the Qibla faces Petra/Mecca. Not being a Muslim nor an Arab and having never seen the inside of a Mosque, I just wanted to confirm if my infidel understanding is factually correct. Thank you.

    • @neluroman555
      @neluroman555 4 роки тому

      Qibla is a sign, something to show you where is Mecca, to show you the direction of Kaba,. But in first two centuries of Islam this qibla was pointing to Petra and not to Mecca. Why? No Muslim can explain.

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому

      @@neluroman555 I'm a Muslim, this is a relatively new research, give us time to digest. What do you want us to do, go crazy.

    • @neluroman555
      @neluroman555 Рік тому

      @@SzTz100 I understand how you feel, that is why I don't want anything from you, it is just a discuss, a change of ideas which you can accept or not, agree with or not. I would recommend you research the topic and, if you wish, we could discuss on this topic.

  • @Indianlogic
    @Indianlogic 3 роки тому

    They are silent on most of the points ... There is no mention of mecca at the present location in historical records before Islam and if it's really a merchant city as claimed than why no mention? Where are green grass land and grape trees in Mecca as the book says? Where is the water stream? Where is walled city? Where is temple of Dushara?

  • @kennyjharland
    @kennyjharland 3 роки тому +1

    Which way do Christians face when praying and why?

    • @coltonconner782
      @coltonconner782 Рік тому

      We usually bow then pray 🧎‍♂️ pray 🙏 god is all around us so it don’t technically matter which way you pray just don’t pray up to the sky

  • @instinto8710
    @instinto8710 3 роки тому +1

    Jay, is it important to talk wether the Qiblas direction were affected by the political Government who was paying for the building or by the sect political affiliation who originally finance his construction . ? and what you plan to do in the first anniversary of the HOLES IN THE NARRATIVES.?

  • @ferguslynch3835
    @ferguslynch3835 3 роки тому +4

    GOD bless you al fadi and use you to reveal His truth 💕

  • @hoverboard
    @hoverboard 4 роки тому +1

    This man is totally right about Islam’s conflicts with history, but totally wrong about Christianity.... the historical record disagrees in unreconcilable ways with the New Testament as well as the Old Testament. Not to mention the many places where these books contradict themselves. Nevertheless, I love watching religious people point out the flaws in other people’s religions, because generally, both arguments are right, because all religions of the book are man-made stories.

  • @ringo2799
    @ringo2799 Рік тому

    watching this in 2023 kudos to this two brillant people

  • @margahe9157
    @margahe9157 4 роки тому +2

    I have a question. I just heard a speech from an Imam. This Imam told a group of Christians, that the Islamic Books teach , that Jesus has preached that all religions are equal and so on. That Mohamed had taught a lot of good things about Jesus. Does Islam have such stories?
    My impression was, that this Imam has borrowed stories from the New Testament and put them into Mohamed's mouth.

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому +1

      Not impossible. You need to know that they (all of them) were in contact with a group known as Nestorians who had been classified as being heretics. This is because Nestorus the one who came up with the theology that Jesus was not God. What he did was heap accolade on top of more seeking to cover all possible aspects of who he was without going to 'God'. This sounds very much like what they are saying from the Uma. We need to have Fadi and Smith put this in a video. What has been copied from that source.

    • @margahe9157
      @margahe9157 4 роки тому

      @@gilbertjones9157 I gave you a thumb, because I wish that someone competent makes a teaching video on this subject.
      - The Imam quoted, for my ears, Bible Verses and portrayed Mohamed, as if he had picked up Jesus's teaching and proclaimed the same message. Here what I remember spontaneous from the Imam's talk: Love everyone as you love yourself, because you are all God's creation, and God lets rise the sun over everyone - go and do the same and you will change the world..... These thoughts he put into Mohamed mouth making him proclame the same teaching as Jesus did. He used as well anecdotes, the story about a Jewish woman ( he told it with a Jewish man) who heaped thrush before Muhammad's house.... About a poor beggar, to whom Mohamed gave what he had, but the poor man was not satisfied, so Mohamed send him later some more. When the man was satisfied, Mohamed let him testify in the mosk about the generosity of the poor Mohamed as an example of conduct. - This bothers me alot, because it happened in a church service. I wrote a comment to that Video and told them that the Imam lied to them. That Imam was not a normal Imam, but a higher one.
      I do know about the Nestorian. They even reached China. I don't know their teaching in depts. I Know, that there was a split towards the Byzantines over the nature of Jesus on earth.

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому

      @@margahe9157 From what I know of the Nestorians the theology shifted Jesus to a very special man with heaps of honor and accolades. It is an out growth of Gnosticism which held Jesus to be spirit only. Basically both seek to move Jesus from being what he is, (what ever is the divine nature) he did not grasp for it like a thief but emptied himself and took on - tenting himself in flesh. He as divinity did not be come a God-man but became our Kin. Not raising a human to god status but took on being a man so we could become Kin to him, and by adoption become his brothers and sisters.

  • @Tjn757
    @Tjn757 4 роки тому +1

    Sirs
    What is the name of this historical book ... where to find it ... is it Holy Bible ... then i already have it

  • @PointingtoJesusChrist
    @PointingtoJesusChrist 4 роки тому

    What is the Kaaba and why do Muslims go around it seven times?

    • @novazemlja2921
      @novazemlja2921 4 роки тому

      Doing as their false prophet Mohammed did and he himself did as the Pagans of his day did. In other words, it's just a Pagan ritual.

  • @ance_7n414
    @ance_7n414 4 роки тому +16

    Brilliant

    • @joelthomas1363
      @joelthomas1363 4 роки тому

      Here take a lovely guidance from our lovely jesus
      “Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.” Deuteronomy 10:16

  • @leecooper3852
    @leecooper3852 2 роки тому +1

    No 1st century Islamic artefacts in museums in Saudi.....enuff said

  • @jamesdean8876
    @jamesdean8876 4 роки тому +2

    I love the light u shed on islam but i challenge jay smith on how he thinks a standardised KJV translation can prove the bible to be infallible?

    • @pvChrists-Bond.Servant
      @pvChrists-Bond.Servant 3 роки тому

      Interesting hmmm the KJV is fraught with error in translation and has heavy Roman Catholic influence many verses were added that are not in the original ancient Manuscripts ie example the word Passover was changed to Easter

  • @StephanthePelted
    @StephanthePelted 4 роки тому

    Thing is, why would mosques built after the verse 2:148-149 being revealed, still facing Petra?

    • @Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too
      @Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too 3 роки тому

      because: the answer is in verse 149, if you check the Arabic you will find *Chatr Masjid Al Haram* this means that pray towards around Masjid Al Haram not exactly towards Masjid Al Haram so even if a mosque's Qibla was towards Petra, the only Exception where you must not place your Qibla to Petra is if you are either very close to Mecca or if you are between Mecca and Petra, because in these situations, it's easy to determine where Mecca is

  • @angelangel3951
    @angelangel3951 4 роки тому +3

    Amaaaaaazing 👏❤👍👍👍

  • @snicko6872
    @snicko6872 4 роки тому +1

    Fascinating material.

  • @ronnyquatre6305
    @ronnyquatre6305 3 роки тому +2

    WHAT ABOUT ZAM ZAM WATER??? DO THEY HAVE IT IN PETRA??
    WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS TRUE ONLY TO THOSE WHO ARE UNKNOWLEDGEABLE...

    • @anyaforger8409
      @anyaforger8409 3 роки тому +2

      Actually there is. I forgot the link but you can search that the splendid waters in Petra is actually what quran says about zamzam

    • @preapple
      @preapple 3 роки тому +1

      Yes, zimzam can be found both in Petra and Jerusalem

    • @ronnyquatre6305
      @ronnyquatre6305 3 роки тому

      @@preapple its not called zimzam, it's zamzam...
      Where can we find it in Petra???
      I hope u know what ure talking about, ure not just bragging

  • @blindshiva2826
    @blindshiva2826 4 роки тому +1

    The Dan Gibson video is very well done!

  • @hollyaldahir5116
    @hollyaldahir5116 3 роки тому

    The Semitic word for God in Hebrew is Eloah which is a variation of the Arabic word for God, Allah. You can find the Hebrew version of Allah الله in the Bible which, according to Strong's Hebrew Bible Dictionary is spelled אֱלוֹהַּ (Alwh) but pronounced either as 'elowahh or eloah in Hebrew but Allah in Arabic. Deu 32:15, Deu 32:17, 2 Chr 32:15, Neh 9:17, Job 3:4, Job 3:23, Job 4:9, Job 4:17, Job 5:17, Job 6:4, Job 6:8, Job 6:9, Job 9:13, Job 10:2, Job 11:5, Job 11:6, Job 11:7, Job 12:4, Job 12:6, Job 15:8, Job 16:20, Job 16:21, Job 19:6, Job 19:21, Job 19:26, Job 21:9, Job 21:19, Job 22:12, Job 22:26, Job 24:12, Job 27:3, Job 27:8, Job 27:10, Job 29:2, Job 29:4, Job 31:2, Job 31:6, Job 33:12, Job 33:26, Job 35:10, Job 37:15, Job 37:22, Job 39:17, Job 40:2, Psa 18:31, Psa 50:22, Psa 114:7, Psa 139:19, Prov 30:5, Isa 44:8, Dan 11:37, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:39, Hab 1:11, Hab 3:3

  • @pinpoint3770
    @pinpoint3770 4 роки тому +5

    Because is the biggest scam in the world

  • @agnettarodricks1301
    @agnettarodricks1301 4 роки тому +5

    CIRA International Awesome 👌👍🙏❤️✝️

  • @ChrisHolman
    @ChrisHolman 4 роки тому

    Why would they change the direction from Petra to Mecca? What is the motivation? I fail to see what they would have gained by doing this? We will likely never know.

    • @prachisaini1
      @prachisaini1 3 роки тому +1

      Simple to make bffoonery out of innocent people , once they join the cult they can never question it , this is the worst moto of a religion.

    • @prachisaini1
      @prachisaini1 3 роки тому +1

      And it was because Mecca was conquered by mohmmad and it became his prime hub also there is a strange stone in that black cube and it became sacred thing for the whole community itself.

    • @SzTz100
      @SzTz100 Рік тому +1

      They explain this in other videos, there was a war between the Umayyad, who supposedly had Mecca in Petra, and the Abbasids, who decided to move it far away from the Levant. Beyond this, there is no concreate explanation why they chose such a far outpost to put it.

  • @planetearth-n1n
    @planetearth-n1n Рік тому

    Hello, which Bible do you believe in please?

  • @hans471
    @hans471 4 роки тому

    How is the qibla direction of the dome of the rock determined (since it is octagonal)?

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому

      String and pace measurements. Builders are resourceful. Check out what they did at the Parthenon at the base a measurement stone had a lot of examples of body parts used as measurements.

  • @lindalewis1973
    @lindalewis1973 4 роки тому +3

    Amen 🙏 God bless you all ❤️

  • @jamesakash874
    @jamesakash874 3 роки тому +1

    amen, Bible speaks for itself. Thats the beauty of the word of Jesus. It not like Quran which require people to protect it.

    • @munawaralias8980
      @munawaralias8980 3 роки тому +1

      Correction. Numerous anonymous ghost writers speak on behalf of Bible.

  • @Elizi687
    @Elizi687 10 місяців тому

    That is spot on,no coins ,no ruins,no artifacts,, only lies

  • @ravindersidhu7655
    @ravindersidhu7655 3 роки тому

    You both are brilliants

  • @christisgodd
    @christisgodd 4 роки тому +7

    Allah has three daughters. Who is the girlfriend? Remember al lah claimed he cant have a son without a girlfriend.

    • @agnettarodricks1301
      @agnettarodricks1301 4 роки тому

      Anthony Aboh 😜

    • @newlearner7824
      @newlearner7824 4 роки тому

      houris?

    • @jeffburnham3117
      @jeffburnham3117 4 роки тому

      A male virgin birth perhaps LOL

    • @joelthomas1363
      @joelthomas1363 4 роки тому

      Here take a lovely guidance from our lovely jesus
      “Circumcise the foreskin of your heart.” Deuteronomy 10:16

    • @dkelley9661
      @dkelley9661 4 роки тому

      @@agnettarodricks1301 You can’t handle actual facts, so you demean others. He asked a textually legitimate question, which you clearly have no answer for, your militant sarcasm hurts you more than anyone, and it’s not even humorous. Mockers are a dime a dozen, and of zero use to anyone

  • @here_we_go_again2571
    @here_we_go_again2571 11 місяців тому

    Petra or perhaps someplace near (the building that we associate with Petra) it, may have been a place of pilgrimage. There
    was enough water nearby to sustain a population. Today's Mecca (Mecca means "valley") on a plateau inland from the
    eastern coast of the Red Sea is not a likely site for a substantial settlement and a well known shrine .
    Saudi Arabia's Mecca is:
    (1) Not located in a true valley and
    (2) Not a place that could sustain a community of any size.
    (3) The zam-zam well was fed by an aqueduct from the nearby hills and is now fed with water from (American-made)
    desalinization plants near Jeddah.

  • @abubakarlukumanadamu754
    @abubakarlukumanadamu754 4 роки тому

    Is there any evidence for medina in 626 AD?

    • @gilbertjones9157
      @gilbertjones9157 4 роки тому

      Which one? I just learned the is a Medina in Marrakesh.

    • @jarrygarry5316
      @jarrygarry5316 3 роки тому

      Medina is still Medina.Medina is not changing.Dan Gibson's theory is about Petra is the real Mecca.Medina is still unchangeable.

  • @mr.angelosonassis3069
    @mr.angelosonassis3069 16 днів тому

    The absence of any ruins or archeological artifacts at Mecca predating the year 740 AD are proof that no 'holy city of Mohammed' ever existed at Mecca. Saudi archeologists have agreed there no artifacts have been found at Mecca.

  • @michaelhughes7458
    @michaelhughes7458 3 роки тому +2

    The reason Saudi archeologists don’t go looking is they don’t won’t to die

  • @mrmrhunter9999
    @mrmrhunter9999 2 роки тому +1

    Tech was not so advance to have 100 percent accracy in direction plus Prophet Muhammad allowed a margin in angel in his documented words. Mosque in Madina is the best way to start which direct toward Mecca not Patra.

    • @foottanghyena5620
      @foottanghyena5620 Рік тому

      Muhammad lied to his followers, he said they worship towards Jerusalem but the truth is they worship and pray toward Petra, the birthplace of Muhammad.

    • @mrmrhunter9999
      @mrmrhunter9999 Рік тому

      @@foottanghyena5620 and did Prophet Muhammad told you this in your dream.... It does not make difference, He taught people how not to worship stone Gods but One Almighty Creator and God sent Quran through him to us which varifies other Holy Books before and tell difference where human intervened with their agenda.

  • @adamroodog1718
    @adamroodog1718 3 роки тому +1

    the parable of the gentile women jesus says mathew 15 24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." doesnt that mean jesus's message was for the house of israel not gentiles?

  • @newjerusalem7694
    @newjerusalem7694 4 роки тому +4

    Wowww what a great view of "truth". Praised GOD 🙌

  • @ravindrakgoundar5990
    @ravindrakgoundar5990 3 роки тому

    Sir can you tell us about why non muslims are not allowed in kabba

  • @candratan6604
    @candratan6604 5 місяців тому

    The best thing I really love about being Christianity which Lord Jesus Christ had taught is stay calm and stay cool whenever people criticize your belief :')

  • @yobaura5258
    @yobaura5258 3 роки тому +1

    There are no ruins in Mecca because the Creator did not destroy Mecca like the Romans or Greeks and others..

  • @try2luke
    @try2luke 4 роки тому +3

    If mecca was a mother of all cities there must me archealogical artifact dan gibsons say ....which is true

    • @HA-vy9ow
      @HA-vy9ow 3 роки тому

      He also said that the absence of evidence is not evidence that there wasn’t anything there.

    • @jarrygarry5316
      @jarrygarry5316 3 роки тому

      Read his books.There are also Safa and Marwah and Hira' Cave in Petra

  • @barazimg
    @barazimg 3 роки тому

    Why is that man's name Al Fadi. That means The Fadi. Why not just Fadi?

    • @Bullpup2
      @Bullpup2 9 місяців тому +1

      To English speakers it sounds like "Al" like Al Pacino. His name is Abdal Fadi

  • @stayathome3634
    @stayathome3634 4 роки тому +6

    Thank you. God bless and be safe.