There is a phenomena called CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Continental drift is the theory that the Earth's continents have moved over geologic time relative to each other, thus appearing to have "drifted" across the ocean bed.
@@brominder CONTINENTAL DRIFT Geological times are counted in million year periods, they can not explain why the pyramids are perfectly aligned while early mosques are not
This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas. This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.
"The fools among the people will say, “What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer.” Say, (O Muhammad SAW) “To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.” Surah Al-Baqarah - 142.
I gave you a Quranic verse with the source and you say "Omar"!!? So, if you want to play dumb, find another place to do so. It's narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet PBUH said: “Whoever believes in God and the Last Day, let him speak good or remain silent” (Authentic in Bukhari and Muslim).
“Our Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley, near Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may establish prayer. So make the hearts of ˹believing˺ people incline towards them and provide them with fruits, so perhaps they will be thankful” Quran 14:37 Thank you for confirming that!
It is good to study but you MUST know Arabic when you want to study on Islam. That word is not Masjad, it is Masjed, and it does not mean gathering, it means a place for pray and sojud. So, you do not know even basics of Arabic!!!
subtitles of the Arab guy speaking 11:10 are deliberately translated wrong. He does not say the city had ancient ruins and city walls, rather he describes a large and well known city with markets. Weak and unreliable sources quoted from Bukhari are not sufficient evidence to back up this theory claimed by Dan Gibson. The argument that Mecca had a large population is also wrong. Large armies were not composed merely from the dwellers of Mecca, but were a collective army formed by bedouin tribes who inhabited all areas of the Arabian Peninsula. Mecca only had Qurash tribe who were lucky to own the Kaaba which held the idol gods and tribes of Arabia would visit for religous and trading purposes. Think of it as an ancient trade show with a pilgrimage twist...around the twelth minute the documentary talks about "approaching a town blessed with water and trees". Yes Mecca had Zam-Zam water wells for thousands of years, and yes there would have been Date Palms with "fruits", as dates are classified as a fruit, but certainly not grapes, they fail to show the actual hadith in Arabic text, they just quote it in English with supporting visuals of grapes to manipulate the audience. Why is the climate of Mecca at the time presented as such a suprise? Ancient records show that The Sabaean kingdom of Yemen had cities such as Sanaa with lush gardens and flora. Even Anatolia and Mesopotamia had lions, cheetah and asian elephants but are no longer present. In short, climatic shifts happen and there is no evidence to prove Mecca did not ever have any vegetation during that period. Last point is about the Masjids built in the first century of Islam. Qibla walls could have easily been slightly off target considering the examples given these structures were hundreds or thousands of km's distance and with good reason people did not have Google Earth and modern GPS coordinates at the time, moreover, documentary does not even mention the first masjid built at the time of prophet Mohammed in which he had helped build himself called Masjid Kuba.
@MrA If all of my claims can easily be broken down, then do it, you are obliged to disprove my claims if you have the nerve to speak. I think I have put forward a rational argument with many of my claims opposing specific parts and statements in the documentary. It seems like you haven't paid attention to the details in the documentary and probably have not read my argument carefully, it's obvious by you saying that I will talk about zamzam water, which I already did, and to your bright attention, I have not claimed that the Quran mentions zamzam, as it does not need to mention zamzam, it's presence is a scientific fact. The Quran does not say there are olive trees in Mecca, this is the verse: “By the fig and the olive; By Mount Sinai; By this City of Security (Makkah)” this verse does not make a claim that there are figs and olives in Makkah nor on mount Sinai, it's an oath to those fruits because first of all they are very beneficial to the human body, secondly, figs and olives were known to the Arabs of Makkah because they were widely traded commodities. As a matter of fact, any commercial produce which was available in Petra - Palestine - Levant area, you could have also found in the markets of Makkah because there were merchants trading these goods. The prophet Mohammed had also travelled to the Levant in his youth as a merchant, people of Makkah were familiar with many fruits and products such as olive oil. Anyhow your understanding of history is very shallow, which explains why you would believe a clumsily prepared documentary like this one, I guess it was aimed at an audience of your caliber. Go read some history books, Mr.self proclaimed donkey genius
@@xondeez757Hi XON, Im sure a lot of people speak the language. My question is why does he think it is deliberate? He can not know the translators intent.
The confusion here stems from the way Arabic text is written in English. The word "Haram" in Majid-a-Haram is a different Arabic word (that is spelled differently in Arabic) than the word meaning forbidden: Haram. This word means sanctuary or holy shrine. For example Mecca and Madina are commonly referred to as the "Harameen Sharifine" meaning the two holy shrines. These two words are also pronounced differently. The word forbidden is pronounced with a more extended second "a" (Haraam), while the word for shrine is a quick two syllables (ha-ram)
My friend please understand that I am telling you this from many years of research the black cube at mecca is a representation of Saturn worship. The cube is a representation of the prison of the titans. This is idol worship. Mohammed received much of his information from a spirit deep within a cave. This spirit is most likely a powerful jinn or demon.
Even when presented with crushing proof ...... Dumb, Dumbest & Dan often believe that the very proof that they are WRONG .... is a proof that they are right ..
Bro this is a Zionist Christian channel. 90% of what they're saying have been has ben debunked by academics. For example, the Nabateans are 100% Arabs and spoke Arabic not Aramaic, that's agreed upon. Second the Roman province was named Arabia Petraeus nor Syrian province. Also the in the Arabic text it does not say Syria but the word Sham is used which mean the Levant. Also notice how they call everything in Palestine - "Israel", and avoid mentioning the word Palestine even though that was the name under the Romans.
The message is a joke and insult to western scholarship. No mainstream scholar from either the muslim or western tradition endorses this ridiculous theory.
I think it's because extraterrestrials shared their knowledge with them just like they did with all other ancient civilizations and tribes all around the world. We are not alone.
@@margueritearavena2256 Yes thats the true answer as in my research. Througout the bible theres talk of alien visitation & the book of Enoch had lots & it wasnt even in the bible.When i was younger i love Astromony & found to my suprise that the Saudis im sure it was had the greatest knowledge in civilization even better than China & planets & star systems etc were named by them wayy back in time.Where did they get the knowledge, where did anyone back then get it.And through the ages word has been passed down by mouth & carvings on rock till to this day we know it was because of visitation of other beings. Funny how time can eraze a lot of great information, burning books & missinformation etc. But we have great ppl who spend their lives on finding the real truth that others wish to hide from us but we keep finding it .Love IS the key i believe not war & murder.Have a great life
Quran 2:158 Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.
I don't understand why people can take Quran seriously... Maybe out of curiosity. The Quran was written in a way that it was out of order unlike the Bible. I mean ...it was not written in a chronological order...there was no order.....it was a bunch of Arabic documents put together and with Muhammad's beliefs...
@@geoffreyk6229 DID JESUS CURSE THE FIG TREE BEFORE OR AFTER DIRIVING THE MERCHANTS FROM THE TEMPLE A-)AFTER : MATTHEW 21:12-19 B-)BEFORE : MARK 11:12-17 😂😂BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂
The mosque of Madina is still alive and you haven’t mentioned it in this whole documentary that where the mosque of Madina Qibla direction is? The Qiblatain mosque is the first mosque and its Qibla direction is towards Mecca not Petra.
After the Muslims moved to Madina, a prayer of the Prophet was accepted and Muslims were told to face Mecca instead of Palestine, so its clear enough that they faced a different direction in the early days. Read all of Islamic history then make assumptions.
@@has_ali if anything against Islam it is weak.. so funny.. weak hadeeths and weak quran, weak Muhammad and weak Allah.. But I know woman and perfumes are the weakness of Muhammad.. Brother he saying with historical and scientific evidences... so you have right to answer the same way.. God Bless you
I think the anomalies in the official history and the descriptions still available of the city show that this is a very important documentary. It has swayed me to this theory being correct. Devout followers may not be swayed, but that is their right. The civil wars among Muslims call into question Mecca being the holy city and birth place of the Prophet.
This theory has been disproved so easily and so many times, even by other orientalist that I’m honestly shocked that someone would even waste their time in creating this video. 1 hour plus video which can be refuted in like 5 minutes lol
This is amateurish garbage based on a totally debunked thesis from the 1970s.. Ancient Muslim historian accounts are extremely accurate and match very well with contemporary accounts written by Byzantines, Armenians, Copts and Syriac monks. _Hagerism_ actually did a great service to Islam and Islamic studies
Dear @rosevale3218. Consider the fact that since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad (peace be unto Him) in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage and annual Hajj throughout 1400 years history since then with no break.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot on. That is fact not beautifully narrated theory
So, Ibn Zubeir changed a whole holy city from its place, and changed the Qibla direction which represents a pillar in the Islamic faith but no Muslim protested at that time, and no historian or theologist spoke or wrote about this spectacular and grandiose event in all the Islamic history, even the victorious rivals of Ibn Zubair who were in Damascus didn't say anything about that?!! That means that this relocation of the sacred city of Mecca was one of the most successful conspiracies in human history because all Muslims and non-Muslims of that time and all the rival clans (Ibn Zubeir in Mecca, the Umayyad in Damascus, The shiites in Iraq and the anarchist and extremist Kharijites who were everywhere) liked and participated in the relocation of the city and in the changement of the Qibla, and they collaborated to keep that secret and succeeded in that task for more than a thousand years !!
Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism: they all survived over a thousand years. It's a long time but it doesn't say anything about veracity. It's quite imaginable that the Qibla could be moved if you were only roughly supposed to face it and weren't required to face it 100% accurately 🤷♀️
I guess anyone that protested met a knife in the back afterall the ruler's words were ultimate back then pretty much everywhere in the world, unlike today.
@@Vengeance22 lol so how did you know that everyone who protested got killed? Sources right? The where are the sources that say anything about the change or the protest? Exactly nothing it's all in your imagination
Although I accept all the evidence, I still have questions. What will happen to the well of Zamzam if Abbasia turns the holy city of Petra into Mecca? How would it be possible to remove the well from Petra and bring it to Mecca?
I think further research might need to be made about the Zamzam well. But my theory is that the Zamzam well would just have always be there and formed naturally. And that the story about Hajar and Ishmael about the well might be just that, stories to justify the existence of the well in an arid area that's seemingly in the middle of nowhere. And the Maqaam Ibrahim, it's a stone that has an imprint of where the prophet stood when he built the Kaaba. If theories about the stone to be the related with the Black Stone that's descended from heaven is correct. Then I think that it might be coming from the same meteorite where the Black Stone comes from. Which matches the description that it's a stone that comes from heaven which can be interpreted as fallen from the sky, in other words, a meteor. Which then we can admit that the stone is definitely not of earth origin. But this is just my baseless theory, and I think further research needs to be made about it. I am a muslim, but I don't practice my religion through blind faith. I approach my religion through scientific views and always make sense of things using common sense and with historical socio-cultural contexts.
@@NeoKingArthur this kind of confussion about the kiblah already predicted and answered in the Quran. This make me realize how amazing The Quran is. So regretful that i am not a perfect moslem, yet. Sorry bad english. 😂😂
An important fact is that the Muslims conquered Mecca in the life of the prophet Muhammad (SA). Before that the Muslims had visited Mecca once to try to perform Pilgrimage which was denied by Abu-Sufyan etc. In three of the descriptions of the Prophets migration to Medina, the first visit for pilgrimage and the conquest of Mecca, the traimvel narrations do not point towards such a large distance (from Madina to Petra). Also, Muslims, starting from the life of the Prophet, annually visited Mecca and people repeated this pilgrimage several times for years. So it is not possible that the location of Mecca can change.
First off Petra was not Mecca this guy Gibson is in total error guessing. He is guessing because he knows that modern day Mecca is not ancient Mecca. So he trying to guess at an important place that it could be. But he is wrong. He is right that modern Mecca and ancient Mecca are not the same place. The descriptions do not fit modern Mecca. Modern Jerusalem also is not ancient Jerusalem and they have not found any of the biblical stone cities. These place dont just disappear. And its not that they disappeared, they were never there, but some where else. These cities were hidden including the ancient biblical cites and Mecca. When you read the book When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler you will see where these stones cities still stand in the americas! Yes, it sounds impossible but the proof is having the stone cities! If you cant find the ancient stone cities and historical monuments like the Kaaba then you don't have the ancient geographic locations of these places.
@@kill_em_dafoe Thats Horace Butler's research that he found and wrote about, in HIS book 'When Rocks Cry Out' not mine. Read that book first then you can talk about it. Right now you have NO idea and dont have the knowledge to even argue against or for it! You dont know that Adam is not the first man in existence but the first of the creation of the Egyptian Empire after he gathered and combined the scattered groups/tribes to defeat his own real fathers empire. You also have no idea that Cain and Abel are the other names for Khonsu and Bel(Ausar) and that they are the sons of Amen their father who is 'Ed'Amen, "ADAM" You dont know that when the biblical records states that Jerusalem was in a high Mountain surrounded about. that those hills over their in todays so called Jerusalem are not it. So yes, modern ancient egypt that was built after they left and fled the Americas, on its walls and records are talking about their dawn and beginnings in South America where Amens temple was in the high mountains of Peru.
Avi Lipkin the Jewish historian claimed that Prophet Moses did pilgrimage to Mecca in his book "Return to Mecca" which was in the Arabian deserts. He also claimed Jethro was the high priest of the Cube / Ka"aba and Moses was married to Jethro's daughter. The Phylacteries that Orthodox Jews put on their heads or arms are replicas of the Cube/ Ka'aba. The time of his pilgrimage was during the Israelites' sojourn in the Arabian desert for 38 years followed by 2 years in the deserts just to the east of Jordan River. Please google for the image of the phylactery.
As mentioned in the Quran chapter 2 verse 115: "To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah. Surely Allah is All-Encompassing, All-Knowing." So, it really doesn't matter even if your "research" proves that muslims should pray in direction of London. Thank you again for this amazing "research" that cost you money, effort, and time. Looking forward to watching another "scientific" documentary.
You are clearly missing the point though. If Muslims were told to "change the qiblas" and then they build so many mosques pointing towards a specific point, and this point is not Mecca, what does that tell you about early Islamic history.
@@theastronomer5800The mosques were not pointing in any particular direction, but were just built facing random directions each, ua-cam.com/video/KLIUCrd5hG4/v-deo.html
I understand your point of view, and largely agree. However, I don’t believe this documentary was made with the purpose of being offensive to Muslims. I think the researcher is simply trying to clarify inconsistencies in early Islamic history. I certainly do not take his claims at face value, but it is an interesting theory.
Qur'an mentions makka to be the place where prophet ibrahim(a.s) left his wife hajar(a.s) and son ismail (a.s) according to Allah(s)'s command. And it mentions about the zamzam water and various hadiths mentions about it. And Ibrahim (a.s) and Ismail (a.s) built the Ka'aba there. Today you could find the zamzam well near Ka'aba. As per this theory that should be fake and there should be the original zamzam in Petra. Where exactly is it? What about the other cities and places which were mentioned in islamic texts in relations to makka? Did you find the alternatives close to Petra aa well? The documentary talks about lack of archeological evidence in makkah. What are you expecting? Pieces of ancient mosaic etc like you'd find in Rome or jerusalem? Makkah was a desert city with hardly any long durable structures. It was a small city with economy primarily consisting of agriculture, trade and the pilgrims who'd visit the Ka'aba. It was never an advanced city like Rome or jerusalem before islam and during the time of the prophet(s). Hadiths mentions houses and even mosques built with palm tree leaves and planks etc. It was later after the islamic empire's expansion the city improved. This video is just a massive conspiracy theory with full of holes that the creator can use as food strainer at home.
I don't believe Muslims are praying in the wrong direction. They are doing things right. Who cares anyway. At least they give thanks and praises to their God.
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it). (Soorah Tawbah 9:32)
@DeeDee the Qur'an was not put into text long after prophet(pbuh)'s death. His companions used to write it down. It was the physical compilation of it into a book that happened during Usman(a.s)'s time. There were hundreds of people who memorised the Qur'an (just like today there are thousands) Usman (a.s) asked the people to bring the writings of Qur'an and in the leadership of the prophet's(pbuh) companions who learnt and memorized Qur'an from him, it was compiled into a book form. Later the non standardized writings people held were destroyed and the copied compiled books were distributed into various governorates. The word bakkah is another variation of the name Makkah which is still in the Qur'an denoting the city. As a Muslim I should only look into sensible arguments. Not a grand conspiracy theory arguing that an entire city along with major landmarks including the ka'aba, the zamzam well etc was re planted to another place hundreds of kilometers away without any historical documents. It's like arguing that Paris was actually in Barcelona. People will ask you about the original Eiffel tower in Barcelona if you come up with such conspiracy theories.
@DeeDee its good to look with an open mind. There are a number of factors you have to keep in mind when it comes to this video. 1. We have the oldest manuscripts of the Quran, carbon dated. Available in the London museum. We have the Sanaa manuscript as well. The prophet (pbuh) had specific sahaba who were known as "Kuttab al wahy", which translates to "writers of revelation", who were responsible of writing the revelation as soon as the Quran was revealed to the prophet (pbuh). 2. We have ancient relics and sights in mecca. The mosques other than the kabba are still there, the cave of hira, and most importantly the untouched "maqam ibrahim" the standing ground of Ibrahim (pbuh). 3. Our history is well detailed, not to mention the first maps created were Arabian, I don't understand the arrogance provided by the scientist/researcher to think we don't even know where mecca is. When even ancient tribes, including mine still have manuscripts of locations we own and have owned in the past. 4. If they are saying our qibla is incorrect, they are saying Islam is wrong. Because Allah orders the prophet to face it and the story of how it changed from Jerusalem would be wrong. This is a huge claim, and no doubt there would be mistakes in the Quran. My counter argument, find a mistake in the Quran, because surely, if you claim that the qibla is incorrect, the Quran must have mistakes. This video is done by the western man, who in his mind believes everyone is ignorant. Even the Arab they keep bringing in the video, is a Kuwaiti Christian. The Quran talks about the big bang, but is wrong about the qibla? 😂
@DeeDee I think you have understood me incorrectly. Please read again and try to understand. May God bless you with knowledge and a perfect life now and the next abord.
سورة إبراهيم{ رَّبَّنَا إِنِّي أَسْكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِي بِوَادٍ غَيْرِ ذِي زَرْعٍ عِندَ بَيْتِكَ الْمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ فَاجْعَلْ أَفْئِدَةً مِّنَ النَّاسِ تَهْوِي إِلَيْهِمْ وَارْزُقْهُم مِّنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَشْكُرُونَ (37)}، وهنا يوصف مكان البيت المحرم أنه وادي ليس فيه زرع ولا شجر، وهذا هو وصف مكة التي في الحجاز. هذا دليل من القرآن الكريم ان مكة ليست ذات زرع وان الكعبة الموجودة الآن هي التي بناها ابراهيم عليه السلام, لا تنخدعوا لانه اتى باعرابي لايفهم شي عن دينه بان يثبت مزاعمه لديكم يا مسلمون.
وقد دعا سيدنا إبراهيم الله أن يرزق أهل هذا البلد من الثمرات، وكما يفسر الباحث الإسلامي الدكتور عدنان إبراهيم، أن الثمرات إما تزرع أو تجتبى من خارج البلد، وهذا ما كان في قوله تعالى: { وَقَالُوا إِن نَّتَّبِعِ الْهُدَىٰ مَعَكَ نُتَخَطَّفْ مِنْ أَرْضِنَا ۚ أَوَلَمْ نُمَكِّن لَّهُمْ حَرَمًا آمِنًا يُجْبَىٰ إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رِّزْقًا مِّن لَّدُنَّا وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (57)} سورة القصص
OK! lets use old resources to know where was Muhammad born ? and who are his ancestors ? These resources before he was born hhhhhhhhaaa Old Testament Isaiah 21 : 13:An oracle concerning Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia 14:bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives. Tema is in Saudi Arabia "تيماء" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayma Genesis 25 13:And these were the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam Kedar is Ishmael's son Isaiah 42 11:Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, The villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, Let them shout from the top of the mountains. mountain Sela is in Saudi Arabia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
@@ماعلينا-ث8ب that is not muhamed read harry potter, much muhamed there and there is a muhamed in that disney movie but muhamed is not mentioned in holy books
It is a great documentary. The Sunnis and Shias split started after 632 AD and since then, each side only agrees with the other on religious and sacred changes that happened when the prophet was still alive, e.g. they both fast during the holy month of Ramadan. They both perform hajj. They both celebrate Eid ul Adha & Eid ul Fitr. After the prophet however, the Sunnis and Shias only agreed, sometimes on military change or political change, e.g. during wars. They never agreed on a single sacred change, till date. E.g. the Shias visit Imam Husayn Shrine in Karbala which is sacred up till today, while the Sunnis refused. Sunnis break their fast at sunset, when the sun is no longer visible, but there is still light in the sky which is sacred, but the Shias refused. They wait until all light has disappeared from the sky before they break their fast, and it goes on. Now Ibn Zubayr (who was an Umayyad and also a Sunni) showed up, and change the qibla direction to Mecca in the missing year 70 (or 690AD) in Al Tabris's book. The question is: because both Sunnis and Shias today pray while facing Mecca, in what year did the Shias agreed with the Sunnis on that sacred change?
Ibn zubayr did what in 690 AD? Care to explain further? You should read the real history of qibla direction change. Muhammad and the early Muslims in Medina initially prayed towards Jerusalem, and changed the qibla to face the Kaaba in Mecca in 624 CE.
Allah said in the Quran that your intentions counts whatever you do in Islam for Allah, not the direction. He said “Allah” “ the whole earth is mine , pray where ever you are, he is all knowing, all seeking, your intentions. Allah knows , what they planed, whatever, I planned the plan, so my planning for good. Rest read the Quran yourself.
Beautiful answer from another commenter: "Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. - Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition. I would cite more proves than that...."
“And no example or similitude do they bring (to oppose or to find fault in you or in this Quran), but We reveal to you the truth (against that similitude or example), and the better explanation thereof” [al-Furqan 25:33]. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “Here Allah, may He be glorified, tells us that the disbelievers do not produce any rational argument to support their falsehood but He refutes it on the basis of truth, and presents arguments and evidence and examples that offer a better explanation thereof, are more convincing and give a clearer explanation of the truth than their argument and analogy.” (Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (4/106) Thank you for posting the truth.
Ahsant. This theory that Mecca isn’t Mecca is very ignorant and nothing but new world order propaganda. This channel has lost my respect and credibility as well as that of any knowledgeable person watching it. Muslims have been in Mecca since Islam. When was Mecca forgotten? Stupidity, sir. And shame on this channel
@@remotAge They shouldn't look to it if its bs. There is evidence suggesting otherwise, in fact it's extremely simple for anyone with half a brain cell. The prophets mosque is still around to this day, and the kaaba aka the black stone that symbolises the centre of mecca and muslim faith has been around since Abraham built it. It is also the direction we pray to... and have been since the time of the Prophet.
Haha, nice one! On the real though, I think there is a huge disconnect for any Muslim that learned objectively. Things just don't connect. Don't know if the video is right... But it connects way better than the agenda we have today.
@@aliyuolalekan8276 I’m born and raised muslim , I’m sorry to disappoint you but this video was lie . Quran has never been edit or any change ( word of god ) and we people we know it and we use it on our daily routine. Simply this’s video mentioned the story against Quran’s story
@@k-noise lie or not has nothing to do with your birth and the way you were raised, I'm also not sure you've read it.. If the Quran is not the same as history, then which one is wrong? All I know is: history and fact is very stubborn
The terms "masjidilharam" can't be interpreted literally as "forbidden place of gathering". It's too simplistic and not accurate. There are historical context for every sentence in Quran which must be taken into consideration. Muslim call this field as tafsir. Even in Islam there not many scholar who has the capacity in tafsir of Quran. There many things you must check to give the most accurate explaination for every word and sentence in Quran. You can't interpret Quran by only using archeology.
lol. You are a true example of a Muslim who does not understand the essence of the matter and resorts to details. This was not at all about the interpretation of the Qur'an. so far away. Get out of the illusion that you only know everything.
Sure buddy just ignore the entire section of history called the Islamic golden age, also I am sure the Catholic church was doing wonders in the middle ages like persecuting Van gogh for saying the earth isnt the center of the universe.
@@hishamalaker491glad Christianity wasn’t founded by a Ghana, pedophilia, bandit of a prophet. God must love them so much that he gave such a prophet to their Arabian cousins.
As you told earlier at the start that the Mecca was a city with no greenery, fruit and trees yes it`s true because when prophet Abraham (PBUH) his wife Hajrah (PBUH) and his son Ismaeel (PBUH) arrived here at first time there was nothing in this valley. ZamZam became the water source here and slowly this place began to populated. Secondly Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) travelled from Mecca to Medina with his companion Abubakar (RA) which is very close to Mecca. And they travelled from Mecca to Medina in several days. If Petra was the birthplace of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) then how two men can travel so far from Petra to Medina in several days and nights with out even a animal for conveyance?? Third Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ismaeel(PBUH) had built the first house of Allah here in Mecca, the Quran have documented it and then they preyed for this city Mecca. Fourth In the life time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) he concurred Mecca by preparing his army from Medina. Medina and Mecca both cities are very close to each other in terms of distance, If Petra was the place they want to concurred then they definitely have to travel a lot from Medina to Petra for war, bit it is not mentioned. Fifth In Quran Allah has mentioned several old nations that have build palaces in mountains like here in Petra and they were destroyed because they worship idles. Sixth the tombs of most of the companions are here in Mecca and Medina if Petra was the holy place and the place were they were born then definitely their tombs could have been found here. Moreover as due to lack of technology at that time their may be some flaws in Qibla direction to Mecca in early mosques, but they are close to the direction towards Mecca. These are only few points there are lot of other points in Islamic history that also points that Mecca was the forbidden place to worship.
"Then how two men can travel so far from Petra to Medina in several days and nights with out even a animal for conveyance??" Flying donkey....?? Mwhahaha
Lol the way they changed other books and religion according to there need destroyed our countries by raiding robbing so m not surprise and best proof is this guy spend lofe in moddle east studied islam and Quran but still he didnt figured the real truth out and convert to islam
Try to follow islam but don't try to protect or defend it bcoz islam it truth, islam is itself a formula of defense, nobody on this earth has d power to attack or damage truth & truth is islam. Those who pretend to be d fighters of islam are actually those who harm themselves.
I find it interesting that they could change the direction where they are praying too. Yes basically you get heared when you are praying, but when its an "holy place" shouldnt it be there for ever? For me this feels like changing your roots. Its lying to the thing you believe in when you dont worship the place it started from. Its gets forgotten and then you loose the value it gave to people.
Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)
I disagree with this theory, Islam forbids Statutes of living things, which even now exist in Petra. The pilgrimage to a holy city could not have existed in a city still containing statue of living things when they are clearly forbidden in the Quran.
Look Islam is flawless religion that has never changed for centuries so a fellow human being with lots of flaws tells me otherwise i find this appalling realy,Muslims will ignore this particular chapter of your version of mecca. Sorry.
Sorry, but you are very stupid, Ismail and his mother were in Mecca when Jordan and Petra was just desert Mecca was built by Ibrahim and his son Ismail and Ibn Ismail Miidian lived in “madian”north of Saudi Arabia When Moses fled Egypt, he went to madian and married one of the daughters of Ismail's grandsons And Moses lived in Median for ten years and was tending the sheep of Shoaib (Jathero) Study your history well before speaking
@@azizm8248 see who is talking about getting history right. Your "facts"? Prove it with archeological findings, not by the imaginative narration of "Islamic history" by your mullahs. Calling people stupid means you think you are clever, I think it's better for you to keep quiet and let people THINK you are clever, rather than opening your mouth and prove the opposite. Hazrat Ismail? In the sharia court, this illegitimate son will not inherit ANYTHING from his father because the sexual union between Ibrahim and siti Hagar is not "sahih". There was no "niqah". It's out of wedlock. In the sharia court, both mother and son would have been stoned to death for zina, and for spawning an illegitimate son who will never be allowed to use his father's name in his "bin", he can only be "bin" to an abdullah. But Ibrahim would go free, because s Muslim (yes, Muslims keep saying Ibrahim is neither a jew or a Christian but a muslim, ie. the one who submits. Well, guess what, the patriarch Ibrahim, would be the great "Muslim" patriarch who rejects Mohammad and his Quran ) man is by nature pious and honest and can do no wrong, if he commits zina with a woman it's because the woman enticed him by not covering her body with abayah and hijab. So it's the woman's fault. The GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob commanded Ibrahim to send the mother and son off with provision. The god of the people of Sharia would have commanded that both be stoned to death for their transgression. Kaaba built by Ibrahim and Ismail? Prove it. Don't tell tales and stories, use archeology . So far, the Bible has been doing excellently well. The Quran? Astaghfirullah...
@@RuhullahNdeen You're a sad Christian weirdo with a fake account. Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaq Muhammed were all Muslim prophets of God. Christianity and the bible are false.
@@channelfive7883 U are very wrong, yes God did refer to Ibrahim and his sons that they are muslims.But u are mistaken for the word muslim it means the ones who submit to peace and that peace is that u believe in one god. People of today are mistaken the word muslim for one who submit to quran but in truth its one who submits to god. So any one that believes in one god is muslim. That includes Jews and Christians. Thats why in quran God refers to Ibrahim and his sons to be mulims when in fact islam was not yet revealed at that time.
the treaty of "" HUDAY BIYA """ and hudaybiya is about 5 miles from Makkah mukaremah NOT 5 MILES FROM PETRA the holy Quran chapter 26 surah alfattah ruk 17
There were many kaabas in the region at the time. Muslims think that their kabba is the most important/special, but it's not: The Kaaba of Al-Sharif is believed to have been built in the 5th or 6th century CE by the Jurhum tribe, one of the pre-Islamic Arab tribes that inhabited the region. The tribe was known for their worship of the goddess al-Lat, and the Kaaba is said to have housed a statue of the deity. The Kaaba of Al-Sharif was transformed into a mosque by Muslims. The Kaaba of Al-Abwa was built by the Banu 'Amir tribe in the 7th century, who inhabited the region prior to the rise of Islam. The tribe was known for their devotion to the god al-Uzza The Kaaba of Dhul Khalasa in Yemen, believed to have been built by the Himyarite kingdom in the 4th century CE. It was ordered to be destroyed by Muhammad (Sahih al-Bukhari 3823). The Kaaba of Hubal was located in the city of Petra in Jordan and was dedicated to the moon-god Hubal. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century during the Islamic conquests. The Kaaba of Al-ilah was located in the city of Tabala in northern Arabia and was dedicated to the god Al-ilah. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century. The Kaaba of Zalmay was located in the city of Balkh in modern-day Afghanistan and was dedicated to the god Zalmay. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century. The Kaaba of Baal was located in the city of Baalbek in Lebanon and was dedicated to the god Baal. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century. The Kaaba of Allat was located in the city of Taif in Saudi Arabia and was dedicated to the goddess Allat. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century. According to historical documents, the Khuzaa’h tribe from Yemen built Mecca in the 4th century AD [Al-Azraqi, Kitab Akhbar Makka, Vol. 1, p. 6]. The king Abu Karb Asa’d led this, who reigned over Yemen in 410-435 A.D, built the Kaaba similar to the Kaaba found in Yemen [A. Jamme. W. F, Sabean Inscriptions from Mehram Bilqis (Ma’rib), the John Hopkins Press, Baltimore, 1962, vol. III, p. 387].
The foolish of the people will say: What hath turned them from the qiblah which they formerly observed? Say: Unto Allah belong the East and the West. He guideth whom He will unto a straight path. ~ Quran (2:142)
@@matheen8574 Oh c'mon, ofc i know he was, but the whole video is "where was the Mekka in which he was born". So I do really need to reformulate that question ? Sigh ok i will !!! "Where was located the Mekka in which He was born ?", which is precisely the subjet of that video. Is it more easily understandable that way ?
@@matheen8574 Interresting. And what makes you think the points developped in this video are more valid that the ones presented by Gibson ? (that's no tricky question, i'm genuinely willing to understand)
I’m not a scholar in Arabic but you don’t have to be one to know the following : 1) “Bekka“ which means to have weeped or cried , in arabic is بكى and not بكة as mentioned. The adjective of weeping or crying is يبكي for male and تبكي for female. Therefore the part about changing the city name from Bekka to Mekka doesn’t make sense, in such a case Mekka would be spelled as مكى which is wrong, It is currently spelled as مكة . 2) several times the author refers to AlMasjid as meaning a gathering place, but in Arabic AlMasjid means “the place that Prostration is conducted.” Masjid is the adjective of Sajad which means to have laid face down as submission during prayer for Worshop. A gathering place on the other hand is referred to as Aljameh الجامع.
Prostration has literally been a form of worship across virtually every culture. Everyone and their mother bowed to their respective gods all over the world. You Muslims really think you invented the practice. 😂😂😂
I appreciate your research and your perspective about the qibla. But, I must say that is too little to prove your theory of the abundant of Islam history. Why?: 1. It's not clear about the Prophet Muhammad life in his birthplace of Mecca not Becca (Petra). Where he was actually resided and growing up with so many moments in his life and with all of the revelations. Why all the shirah (the life story of Muhammad) and the revelations took place near Mecca and Medina not in Petra? How can you prove all of that? If you say the Abbasid changed that story by burning all of the manuscripts, do you think that million people at that time that already converted to Islam and spread all over the world got amnesia too? So, there must be other version to challenge that? 2. Why and How the cemetery of Muhammad in Medina not near Petra? Did the Abbasid brought his dead body to Medina? What is the evidence? Or is that too weird if the qibla thousand miles away from where Muhammad resided as the order of the revelation? Or you say the Abbasid had changed it too? 3. How about the history of the four companions that ruled near Mecca and Medina not Petra? Do you have the evidence that they ruled near Petra? 4. There are a lot of wars happened at the beginning of Islam, like Khandaq near Medina (Moslem vs the Jews in Medina), Badar, Uhud, etc. All of them plotted closed to Mecca and Medina not Petra. Do you have the evidence of the wars? Or perhaps you say it never happened because of the burning manuscripts? 5. About the Hajj rituals: How about the obligation to spend the night at Jabal Arafah for Pilgrimage, how can you explain that? How about the area of the Jumroh of Ula, Wusta, Aqabah? How can you explain about Zamzam water? 6. Aqsa Masjid in Palestine was the first qibla than changed to Mecca. If you demand for the precised direction of the qibla, it's impossible. As moslems, we just do our best to manage the best precision towards the Ka'aba, it's impossible be a 100% precise. 7. There're almost a million mosques in my country, Indonesia. I'm not saying that these mosques were built at the first century of Islam but I just wannna say that if we find it at the wrong direction towards the qibla, then we just adjust our prayer posistion without reconstruct the foundation of the mosque. So, you Dan Gibson must know about this. I think this is one of your misleading on your video. **There are so many questions that you need to prove to say the moslem qibla is wrong. It's not wise to summary the misleading qibla by jumping from one to another moment without knowing the long history of Islam. You must study about Islam holistically not partially. For instance, you need to study about Muhammad story, birthplace, his activities, the rituals of pilgrimage (because the pilgrimage is not only about Shafa and Marwah but there're a few others). In conlclusion, I must say that your theory is only a PSEUDOSCIENCE.
I don't think you have read much research into early Islam by actual historians. For a long time now scholars have argued based on evidence such as linguistic studies, epigraphical studies, Quranic geography and trade route studies that the Quran was more likely composed in northern Arabia. It has a heavy Syriac influence, it mentions locations as if they were nearby but they are much further north, etc. Gibson's work is in line with that evidence. The Quran doesn't really talk about Mecca, and later sources don't have place names, they are inserted in brackets as they were "assumed" to be in Mecca or Jerusalem. Many of the points you mention are discussed by Gibson, and others, and there are solutions to them. Remember that a lot of Islamic history was written over 100 years after Muhammad. Just as an example, where do you think al-Aqsa mosque was, where he is said to have taken the night journey from? I know where you think it is based on later sources, but have you read what the earliest sources say? I will quote them for you: In the Book of Raids, early Muslim historian and biographer Waqidi described Muhammad’s stay in the village of Jiranah a few miles outside Mecca. He wrote, “The Prophet arrived in Jiranah on Thursday, and remained 13 nights. He then departed Jiranah after praying at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The Prophet used to pray there whenever he came to Jiranah.” Another early historian, Azraqi, described in his book Mecca and its Antiquities a discussion between two men named Muhammad ibn Tariq and Mujahid. Muhammad said, “Mujahid and I agreed on Jiranah, because he informed me the Prophet used to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The other nearby mosque, the Al-Adna Mosque, was built by a man from the Quraysh tribe.” Another early Mecca historian, Ibn Ishaq al-Fakihi noted in his book Ancient and Modern Mecca that Muslims who wanted to perform the Umrah would first purify themselves at the neighboring villages of Tanim and Jiranah. The Al-Adna Mosque in Tanim was significant because Muhammad’s wife Aisha had purified herself there, and the Prophet himself had prayed in the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jiranah. The above sources all indicate that the Al-Aqsa Mosque referred to by Muhammad in Quran 17:1 was the mosque in Jiranah. The famous mosque known today by the same name in Jerusalem was built almost a century later by al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 AD. Clearly, there is more to the fascinating history that the late "standard narrative".
@@ehsankabirirahani9733 Can we agree that it was not in Jerusalem? There are numerous sahih hadiths that mention Muhammad talking about al-Aqsa, decades before it was built. They also mention the time of construction between al-Haram and al-Aqsa as 40 years, so this cannot be in Jerusalem. The references mention that it was on a river, which we don't find near Mecca, nor near Jerusalem. Gibson suggests a place which fits the descriptions, near Petra (8km away), an old mosque on the way to Petra, with al-Adna further down, which fits the early descriptions. Search for a video called "dan gibson al-aqsa".
In 2017, historian David A. King authored a highly critical review of Gibson's Early Islamic Qiblas[1] in which he cites plagiarism, misconstruction and misunderstanding of his 1990 work on Qibla direction.[2] Gibson himself does not speak Arabic and does not have any scientific background or education. King also published a systematic review in 2018 entitled "The Petra fallacy - Early mosques do face the Sacred Kaaba in Mecca but Dan Gibson doesn't know how / Comparing historical orientations with modern directions can lead to false results".[3] King is a subject matter expert on medieval Muslim astronomy,[4] author of World-Maps for Finding the Direction and Distance to Mecca: Innovation and Tradition in Islamic Science, several articles on the Qibla, multiple articles in the Encyclopedia of Islam, was formerly professor of Near Eastern Languages and Literatures at New York University, head of Institute for the History of Science at Goethe University Frankfurt, and director of history of Islamic astronomy at the American Research Center in Egypt. King argued that early Muslim Arabs were unable to precisely establish Qiblas when building new mosques until later mathematical developments made precision possible.[5] Further, King wrote, many variations in orientation are better accounted for by regional and local practices, imperfect geography, and folk astronomy. King noted Gibson's inadequate grasp of mathematics, citing Gibson's "spherical polygons" (p. 170) as inexplicable. King summarized his analysis of Gibson's work as an "amateurish, non-scholarly document that is both offensive to Muslims and also an insult to Muslim and Western scholarship."[5] Gibson placed a response to King on academia.edu, "Dr. King on the other hand is convinced that the sloppy qiblas actually intended to point: east, west, solstices, sunrises and so forth. I have not come across anything in Islamic religious manuscripts that support these Qiblas. But perhaps in time someone, somewhere will stumble across something that will change our understanding of Qiblas. All I have found so far, is that every Muslim expects the Qibla to point to Masjid Al Harām."[6]
If you read Dan Gibson's counter reply to David King you will feel ashamed for King and never respect him again. On his main claim that scientific methods were not developed for accurate qibla direction at the time Gibson debunked it by pointing out the fact that Arabs travelled 1000ns of miles on trackless deserts away from Arabia and come back home safely using stars and solstice. Arabs were able to navigate accurately to China within same periods qiblas were pointing to Petra. Such people building a structure to face a certain direction will never commit an absurd mistake by making it face an opposite direction or deviated direction. This David King replied that Arabs were able to reach China on flying carpets . At this point it was clear that a scholar has turned into a moron on the side of Islamic propaganda fuelled by Saudi dawa dollars.
64 B.C. Despite being forced to recognize Rome’s power, Petra reaches its zenith of splendor in this period-until the Roman emperor Trajan formally annexes the city in A.D. 106. A.D. 363 Now part of the Byzantine Empire, several of Petra’s buildings are used as churches. An earthquake seriously damages many structures, and the city is gradually abandoned. 700-1096 Following the Islamic conquest, Petra becomes little more than a village. During the First Crusade, the Christian king of Jerusalem, Baldwin I, occupies Petra, now part of the barony of Karak.
Faiez Evans your a very good looking guy, but the fact is no one was present for the events recorded in any historical text, and the fact that none of it can be confirmed to be factual, discredits most of human history ... which is really disappointing, but that’s the reality!
The climactic change and lack of water supply doomed Petra, that was why it declined. Any conquest would have wanted a place where people could thrive.
Foxy Cinnamon Destruction of Petra’s extensive irrigation systems doomed Petra. Just like the destruction of the Great Dam of Marib ended the Kingdom of Saba.
Dear DG. I sent you two emails but you did not reply. I assume you are busy. I did further research on "where is the actual location of Mecca that Prophet prayed" and I found evidence to challenge your findings. I am sure you know about the treaty of Hudaybiyah between the Prophet and the Quraish tribe leaders that were signed just outside mecca. This treaty is well documented. In the 6th year post-migration to Medina, the prophet wanted to perform Umrah. He led a group of over 1400 people without any weapons (other than swords for self-defense) and was stopped by the Quraish tribe at the town of Hudaibiyah. A peace treaty was signed here and this is well documented in both Muslims and Christian Historical accounts. The city of Hudaybiyah is located just outside the Current Mecca (about 30-40km). Since the location of Hudaibiyah is south of Medina, by virtue of the treaty and location of Hudaibiyah, we can conclude that that present-day Mecca is the Mecca that prophet Mohamed saw prayed at. The masjidil haram refers to present day mecca. Unless you have proof that can counter my point here, therefore I take it your point is erroneus . drrafick@gmail.com
I reckon where Islam initiated was Iraq where houses 🏘️ yathrib, hira, madain, bekka, not Arabia nor Petra as a result of rivalry between the offshoots of ghassanids, the vassals of the eastern romans: umayyads, and lakhmids, the vassals of sasanids: Abbasids because Islam was written in the Abbasid courts.
..great idea.. to solve the case which direction is the actual qiblat.. masjid nabawi..one of the mosque need to be add in the actual mecca case..if its facing petra..than as what is claimed history need to be rewright..😞😞😞😞
No actually we need to check masjids between Jerusalem and Petra. The older qibla was toward Jerusalem. Jerusalem is near to petra. So if a mosque between Mecca and Petra points towards Petra, it may actually meant to be pointed towards Jerusalem. So , before the qibla changed, we should check those mosques in between Petra and Jerusalem
This is an endlessly fascinating video. Even the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, although dating back to way before Islam, to this day faces between the two cites mentioned in this video.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 I don’t take offense from idiots. Some cities predate all religions and not just Islam, Damascus is one of those. As such, the Umayyad Mosque is an ancient site that once held a temple to the Roman God, Jupiter. The same site was later made into a synagogue, then a church, then, during the Umayyad period, it was made into a mosque. PS: before you go around calling people stupid, I suggest that you be knowledgeable, cultured, and smart enough so as not to make a fool of yourself.
@@Mrmrnobodymr I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was because Mosques did not predate Islam. Yes the site at which the mosque is built predates Islam but as it was expanded in size and completely changed, a distinction must be made. I also don't believe Damascus predates all religion. Pretty sure the Canaanites (if you're referring to this far back) were polytheistic.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 you contradict yourself wildly. When the site was expanded and changed, the prayer wall of the mosque faced exactly between the two cities of Mecca and Petra and still does so till this day. This proves the video correct and your first comment to be made of ignorance and completely irrelevant.
We don't pray to the black rock. The black rock was placed in the mosque that Abraham built. We don't pray 'to' the Kaaba, we face that direction because God is omnipresent and any one direction is as good as another. The Kaaba was chosen as a direction because despite this principal the people needed a point of focus. Idol worship is strictly prohibited.
@@MelaninMagdalene yes ma'am we certainly are....and many people who can afford it are buying up print books.....because the more we entrust our "books" to kindle and such, the more chance we have of losing all our books suddenly. We are already not allowed to SAY what we want on line.....oh yes, they'd love to take our books.....and create the dark ages once again...🤦♀️
They are not interest in the worldly life,they are interest to spread the word of God,the Qur'an.to save the human to the punishment of hellfire after death.
@@nixonbayabao4613 Well, unfortunately there are MILLIONS of people in the middle east who live in poverty and terrible conditions. Since allah has not provided for his followers, perhaps they should have other interests to provide for themselves?
This documentary raises some interesting question. Why all these old mosques were pointing toward Petra indeed. However, Dr. Gibson raises more questions than he answers. I hope in future more experts will shed light on issue ls like where would be the source of ZamZam in Petra. Most of the commenters below engage in childish exchange of insult and trolling. Knowledge is wasted on idiots like all good things are.
Zam Zam is in Mecca. all historian and all muslim and all human have been seen the ZAM ZAM well. its in Mecca. what can we say if some one have his own fairy tales. more then 1 lac people was in mecca on day of FATEH MECCA. Prophet speech to more then 1 lac people in city of mecca, QABBA was also there. i dont know dr may be lost his mind due to alot of heat in the DESERT.
@Trapped in Dollaria -mohamed was not a Jew instead he claimed that he is a prophet with a new religion -ali was a Christian before converted to Islam -the prayer direction changed way before the prophet died -omar did not hate Jews in fact he gave the people of jeruselum the freedom to practice their religion. -he beat up Mohamed's daughters?never heard of that -mohamed claimed that the Kaaba was made by Abraham and Ismael(so did the Arabs)
@Trapped in Dollaria the prayer direction changed at 624 and he was still a live untill 632.so why didn't he condemn it? -islams belief is that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ismael for god.that is why they didn't destroy the Kaaba instead they got rid of idols around it not the Kaaba. -mohamed's parents died when he was a child and they didn't give him away instead they died. -he was never a Jew
@Trapped in Dollaria -I already know the idolatries used to worship their gods in the kabah -muslims have been going to the kabah every year since the conquest of Makkah -jeruslam is a holy site of Islam but so is Makkah as described in the Koran and the hadith's -you didn't answer why Mohamed didn't condemn Muslims facing the kabah instead of jeruslam
In order for this research to be logical, there is the need to prove how all remaining sites near the black stone got there. Because, Muslims going to Makkah for pilgrimage don't just go to circle around the Ka'abah, there are many other activities which they perform. How comes? Please create another video to prove the existence of the equivalence of all these sites near petra.
Wow! Both of you guys are really taken by this infotainment BS. Read the glorious Koran and stick with the traditions of the unlettered prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
I visited the 2 qibla masjid once. The original "Imam area" was removed and replaced by being the entrance. Those who praying that one prayer had to rotate 180 to face the current direction to Macca.
This is so misleading. We pray to Allah not the black stone. The Kaaba 🕋 is a place where prophet Adam pbuh makes his 1st sujud to allah there then prophet Ibrahim pbuh built the Kaaba. And he’s the engineer with his son prophet Ismail pbuh & angel jibril help you build the 🕋 kaaba.
@Kelly Schmunt We point to the stone so that we have a joint place. If people would face anywhere it would spark outrage and people would threaten each other out of differences. Allah made the Kaaba as the place we point to so that we have standing and joint place which is universially accepted by muslims
@Kelly Schmunt Because God wanted it that way. He made it so that we have a joint and unifying place we can pray towards. It creates unity. Anywhere you go Muslims face the kaaba there is no dispute over that. This creates a feeling of charity and unity between believers
Hey Muslims, to answer your doubt, watch this playlist. Mecca has been and always been the direction of prayer after Jerusalem. And the change of the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca has been made during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, not after his death, as the video claims. The playlist👇🏻 ua-cam.com/play/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_.html
I heavily disagree with almost everything in this. Mecca was not a huge city at that time and no one except these guys said it had farms and trees. People did engage in trade but they use to trade the goods they buy from Yemen in Syria at a profit and the goods they buy from Syria in Yemen.
The Quran only mentions Mecca one time despite a big part of "the prophets" history being at Mecca. That alone suggests how unimportant it is to supposed Islam. Mecca is better described in the Hadiths where it describes the environment. We have more history that we can see and touch outside from Islam than Islam itself. We know of kingdoms and civilizations predating Islam yet we have nothing of Islam until the Abd Al-Malik.
The Quran only mentions Mecca one time despite a big part of "the prophets" history being at Mecca. That alone suggests how unimportant it is to supposed Islam. Mecca is better described in the Hadiths where it describes the environment. We have more history that we can see and touch outside from Islam than Islam itself. We know of kingdoms and civilizations predating Islam yet we have nothing of Islam until the Abd Al-Malik.
our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw ) peace be upon him went on hajj and umrah to Makkah and he prayed facing the "" KABAH "" in Makkah till he died peace be upon him and all his four kileafahs abu bakar (ra) umar (ra) usman (ra) ali (ra) did the same .......... correct your history sir ?????
Given the trails of Abraham as described in Genesis, it makes much more sense that the birthplace of Islam would be in what we call Petra, also Saudi Arabian laws requires archaeological research before new structures can be built and there is nothing that dates before 700AD. And if there is nothing there before 700AD, then Mecca can't be the birthplace of Islam.
One thing if Ummyads and Abbasids were fighting then: Why Abbsid destroyed holy place of petra? why not just beat Ibn Zubair (an Ummyad) and take hold of Petra? If Ibn Zubair moved Qibla to Mecca then why Abbasids which were his opposition chose the new place as Mecca and started a conspiracy there? why would you go affirming the claims of you enemy? A valid response would be that they(Abbasids) should have destroyed the new place Mecca and kept the old one Petra. and why Ummyads keep on praying towads old Petra when they themselves moved Qibla to Mecca?
@@ic.xc. all this proof that things are covered up, changed and corrupt show a clear picture of how islam was created the problem is the over-emotional responses of angry muhamedans that´s why intellectuals need to be very very careful sharing what they know about the true origins of this funny sect
Ibn Zubair's enemies were not the Abbasids. His rival was the 5th ummayad calif Abd el-Malik ibn Marwan, the guy who built the dome of the rock ... Eventually as an alternative to the shrine which is now at mecca. Before denying mindlessly because of your beliefs, get at least your facts straight.
۞ سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَاءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ مَا وَلَّاهُمْ عَنْ قِبْلَتِهِمُ الَّتِي كَانُوا عَلَيْهَا ۚ قُلْ لِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ١٤٢وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنْتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّنْ يَنْقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ١٤٣ 142. The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say: "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah ﴿prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)﴾ to which they used to face in prayer.'' Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'' 143. Thus We have made you ﴿true Muslims ـ real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways)﴾, a Wasat (just and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad ) be a witness over you. And We made the Qiblah which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad ) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e., disobey the Messenger). Indeed it was great (heavy, difficult) except for those whom Allah guided. And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allah is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind.
Changing the Qiblah @ Direction of the Prayer Imam Al-Bukhari reported that Al-Bara' bin `Azib narrated: "Allah's Messenger offered his prayers facing Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) for sixteen or seventeen months, but he wished that he could pray facing the Ka`bah (at Makkah). The first prayer which he offered (facing the Ka`bah) was the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer in the company of some people. Then one of those who had offered that prayer with him, went out and passed by some people in a mosque who were in the bowing position (in Ruku`) during their prayers (facing Jerusalem). He addressed them saying, `By Allah, I bear witness that I have offered prayer with the Prophet facing Makkah (Ka`bah).' Hearing that, those people immediately changed their direction towards the House (Ka`bah) while still as they were (i.e., in the same bowing position). Some Muslims who offered prayer towards the previous Qiblah (Jerusalem) before it was changed towards the House (the Ka`bah in Makkah) had died or had been martyred, and we did not know what to say about them (regarding their prayers towards Jerusalem). Allah then revealed: ﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ﴾ (And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., the prayers of those Muslims were valid)) (2:143).'' Al-Bukhari collected this narration, while Muslim collected it using another chain of narrators. Muhammad bin Ishaq reported that Al-Bara' narrated: Allah's Messenger used to offer prayers towards Bayt Al-Maqdis (in Jerusalem), but would keep looking at the sky awaiting Allah's command (to change the Qiblah). Then Allah revealed: ﴿قَدْ نَرَى تَقَلُّبَ وَجْهِكَ فِي السَّمَآءِ فَلَنُوَلِّيَنَّكَ قِبْلَةً تَرْضَاهَا فَوَلِّ وَجْهَكَ شَطْرَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ﴾ (Verily, We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah).) (2:144) A man from among the Muslims then said, "We wish we could know about those among us who died before the Qiblah was changed (i.e., towards Makkah) and also about our own prayers, that we had performed towards Bayt Al-Maqdis.'' Allah then revealed: ﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ﴾ (And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost.) (2:143) The fools among the people, meaning the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), said, "What made them change the former Qiblah that they used to face'' Allah then revealed: ﴿سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَآءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ﴾ (The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say...) until the end of the Ayah. `Ali bin Abu Talhah related that Ibn `Abbas said: When Allah's Messenger migrated to Al-Madinah, Allah commanded him to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). The Jews were delighted then. Allah's Messenger faced Jerusalem for over ten months. However, he liked (to offer prayer in the direction of) Prophet Ibrahim's Qiblah (the Ka`bah in Makkah) and used to supplicate to Allah and kept looking up to the sky (awaiting Allah's command in this regard). Allah then revealed: ﴿فَوَلُّواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ شَطْرَهُ﴾ (turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction.) meaning, its direction. The Jews did not like this change and said, "What made them change the Qiblah that they used to face (meaning Jerusalem)'' Allah revealed: ﴿قُل لّلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ﴾ (Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'') There are several other Ahadith on this subject. In summary, Allah's Messenger was commanded to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (during the prayer) and he used to offer prayer towards it in Makkah between the two corners (of Ka`bah), so that the Ka`bah would be between him and Bayt Al-Maqdis8. When the Prophet migrated to Al-Madinah, this practice was no longer possible; then Allah commanded him to offer prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, as Ibn Abbas and the majority of the scholars have stated. Al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih that the news (of the change of Qiblah) was conveyed to some of the Ansar while they were performing the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, upon hearing that, they immediately changed their direction and faced the Ka`bah. It is reported in the Sahihayn (Al-Bukhari Muslim) that Ibn `Umar narrated: While the people were in Quba' (Mosque) performing the Fajr (Dawn) prayer, a man came and said, "A (part of the) Qur'an was revealed tonight to Allah's Messenger and he was commanded to face the Ka`bah. Therefore, face the Ka`bah. They were facing Ash-Sham, so they turned towards the Ka`bah.
Bukhari volume 6, verse 17 does not say “Syria”. It’s says “shams”, in Jerusalem. Can you please state the source of your Hadith? Time stamp on your video @32:44
This is all ridiculous-- let’s start with Zamzam well in Mecca that is supposed to be since time of Abraham can it not be carbon dated, what about details of Hijra to Medina by Prophet Muhammad I think Gibson research is missing these great points. What about attack of Abraha the Yemeni king attacking Mecca ? Too many historical facts goes against his arguments.
All that we can learn from such brilliant documentaries is that we should stop taking religious scriptures literally , and start focussing on real issues bothering humanities like global warming , hatred , violence , inequality etc. Debating on whose religion is better is going to lead us nowhere and we are going to be destroyed by our own childish ego.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 God has been acknowledged since thousands of year in every form or formless , but the humanity has always suffered as proved by history,
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 Thank you for the rebuttal, much appreciated, i am sitting here and saying that's not true, why did they stop there and didn't finish the text etc, Great explanation in your video at 7:42 ua-cam.com/video/WNRGL0GhD8M/v-deo.html
when someone says your not aloud to explore they dont want you to find the truth.. that is obvious and eveyone knows it in there heart but people have too much fear to find out the truth..
@@garyschultz7768 to know that god died or god was eating food and going to WC or to know that he was not all knowledgeable or to know that god was praying to someone else or …..
Clearly there is problem: 1)How do you explain the Pagans placing their Idols in the Kaba before the arrrival of Mohammed(SAW). 2) How to explain the attack on the Kaba by Abrahah-Al-Ashram, before the arrivalof Mohammed (SAW).
Allah is the one to accept your namaz, more over your niyat " oh creator I pray this namaz for you" so even if your not facing the kabah allah has taken steps towards your prayer so that even if a mistake was to be made 🔝🔝🔝 it'll still count
اعظم معجزة في كل العصور(القرآن الكريم) ua-cam.com/video/T9B38w0zrSg/v-deo.html الكعبة المشرفة - لماذا الدعاء نحو الكعبة المشرفة؟ ua-cam.com/video/XkYksIdA3FQ/v-deo.html قصة ابراهيم عليه الصلاة والسلام ua-cam.com/video/fgy9jAhcTac/v-deo.html
Dear Dan Gibson You forget to mention 1 key and critical point in all of this. Something which you yourself have written about but politely left out of this video. Why? Because it would debunk everything you are trying to say.. In your own book The Nabataeans, Builders of Petra - you stated the following: According to my research Petra was destroyed by an earthquake on July 9 551. In my book The Nabataeans, Builders of Petra, I wrote: "On 9 July 551, a devastating earthquake reduced most of what remained of Petra to heaps of rubble. It was never rebuilt, and soon the bishops departed and all records came to an end. This earthquake also destroyed many of the towns in the Negev. Many of these were never rebuilt." Gibson D. (2002), pp. 240-241. The Prophet Muhammad PBUH was born in 571 AD. That is 20 years after destruction of Petra as you have stated. And yes it might not have detroyed the entire city but as you stated once again : "One would suppose that an earthquake, a siege, being conquered and retaken, was enough to destroy much of the city"
This is just another clown trying to sabotage the perfect religion and true way of life just like theyve been doing since day 1. They've literally tried everything to make Islam look bad and untrue but have failed miserably every single time. Lol
@YOUSEF haha......arabs were masters of using stars to navigate, of course they could align buildings, even ancient egyptians could do that without gps. Perhaps muslims today cant do what their ancestors could do yesterday.
(2:115) And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
Thank you, Karim. And therein lies the true blessing of Islam as the most accurate direction for prayer is a straight line between one's own heart and The One, The Eternal, Self-Sufficient Master. IMHO I believe that all the rest of these debates are driven by Ego and Fear. Please hold firmly to your Faith as Allah (swt) knows your Heart. Alhamduillah.
Except that he is wrong and this is why: He almost fooled me until he started misquoting hadiths. And to my surprise his “documentary” is full of deception that most non-Muslims won’t notice. For any one that is interested you can watch this video which debunked this theory ua-cam.com/video/m3u6kLktY0k/v-deo.html
1 Peter 4:11 11If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
@@Azzurri-z5j my point is Allah says in Quran Surah Ibrahim while telling the story of Abraham that "Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful". While he claims in this documentary that according to Quran they were settled in a cultivated valley which is Petra. But in reality Quran gives us a different story.
@@Azzurri-z5j why was fruit available in Mecca because the Quraish tribe were merchants. And Mecca is also the place where most people use to come after escaping the Roman empire. A slave and also the companion of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) named Suhayb Ar Rumi is a one such example. If he escaped to Petra I think he should've been dead and even Islam should've been crushed by the Roman Emperor.
This video is made to *DESTROY* Islamic History.. The point in this research is that *the original Qibla is Petra,* not Mecca & not Al Aqsa with Evidence : There are several Old Mosques facing their Qibla to Petra (Data Defect) IN FACT, to judge whether Mecca is now in accordance with the Qur'an or not, it is Very Very Easy : *1. Is there a tomb of the prophet Abraham near the Kaaba ?* *2. Is there a spring of Zam-Zam whose water never runs out ? (in Petra there is none)* Very Very Easy. *Don't Be Fooled.* ua-cam.com/video/W-B2KBZQxuw/v-deo.html id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka%27bah
According to Lisān al-'Arab of Ibn Manẓūr, the site of the Kaaba and its surroundings was named Bakkah due to crowding and congestion of people in the area. The Arabic verb bakka (بَكَّ), with double "k", means to crowd like in a bazaar. This is not to be confused with another unrelated Arabic verb bakā (بَكَىٰ) (single k) which is the past tense of yabkī (يَبْكِي), to cry. It could be good if you know arabic when you investigate.
Regardless, there was no evidence of any city where current day Mecca is fitting the description of the city in Islam. No trees, fertile fields, or any archaeological evidence there was any city off the trade route, even on ancient Arabian maps. Where all the maps in Arabia changed? How did mecca become a desert instead of the fertile fields the Quran describes ?
@35:00 in: In Hebrew, depending on its spelling and the slight change in pronunciation by that, BEKA can mean either weeping or crack, and as follows: Valley. Locally, the lower Jordan valley is called Ha Beka. From the West, Petra can only be entered through a crack in the rock formation surrounding it.
The cultural and political implications of this being even partially true would be earth-shattering! It would cause 1000 years of Islamic history to be questioned. Was this just a mistake in interpretation, or was it a lie told deliberately to create a geopolitical narrative? Very interesting theory.
@@m.woodsrobinson9244well there are many educated Muslims that have raised questions on so many shortcomings of research in the documentary that it actually seems deliberate
Explain the cave of Hira / well of Zam Zam Masjid Qblatain Safa and Marwa / and Arafat Mina What about the compass point which you cannot explain away The cave of Hira .You mention pre Islamic era where was the well of Zam Zam when Abraham (PBOH)left his wife and son and how did the Kaaba appear when specific mention is made of it being erected by Abraham (PBOH) We know about pagan Arabs and how this was destroyed by the prophet of Islam
It is interesting to note that the Arabic word for well and cistern are the same. So while most Muslims believe Zamzam was a well, there is also a possibility that it was a cistern, with large doors across the entrance. Tabari tells us that in 66 AH men “broke the wooden bolts (a`wdd) of Zamzam, went inside.” It seems that ZamZam was either in a building, or else it was a cistern with a doorway across the entrance. Both of which Petra has proven to be grander and more divine then that of Meca's earlier period.
@@darkstars101 sahih bukhari tells us that when hajra was searching for water in safa and marwa the Gabriel came and asked what do you want, she said water,i want water for my child,then he hit in the ground.water was coming from the well continuously. She set a wall but the water didn't stop then she said JamJam(stop stop)
This is a highly explosive documentary. Western genius is helping the Muslim world to uncover the truth about Islam and its Prophet. I imagine Muslims would be very reluctant to accept these new studies and continue defending their traditional Islamic narrative. Great film! Hats off to the genius of the western mind!
I don't know if I missed it, but I didn't find Quba Mosque quote in the whole video which was the first mosque built. I think its direction would be the original Qiblah Anyway, this is a really interesting documentary. thanks for the 30 years of your life Dan Damn, 30 years Man!
It is not wasted but intelligently invested to get a lots of money from the anti Muslim and anti religious groups to print his lies ..this is how the western media usually works on Fake News
Historical fact, when the Cordoba Mosque was built, there was a small church nearby. If the entire building is to be made facing Mecca, then the church must be demolished. Abdurrahman I or Abdurrahman Ad-Dakil did not want that. He left the church where it was. From the outside the mosque building is not straight towards Mecca, but the mihrab and rows inside still face the Qibla.
The amount of stupidity in this video. Is there the zamzam well? Where are first mosques facing, including codoba mosque cathedral? If abbasid made mistake, why didn't emirate of crdoba, Morocco and muslims living in ethiopia never showed? If it was sunni, then why are shias also following mistake? Petra was very near the Roman empire and if you heard about the early muslim conquest, you would know that it wasn't coming from Petra. As well, the prophet marching Southward to mecca and petra is northward from Medina How mountainous is mecca and populous unlike Petra And muslims who sacrificed their lives for the expansion, couldn't they do the same to save their qibla? Isn't there any war happened for this? Even some Muslims rebelled when some qurans were burnt, why did they ignore the more sacred qibla? And in the quran it says that the region had no oasis, mecca never had but petra had at that time. And why would thwy change it in the first place? How stupid is the person who made this documentary lol 😂
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it). (Soorah Tawbah 9:32)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9 Muhammad is accursed
Brothers, Don't be surprised by minor deviation in the direction of the qiblah in early mosques in Islam as people in that era did not have acurate ways of finding the exact direction of qiblah. Even if you are off by few degress and than draw the line of qiblah direction form the mosque to Makkah it will look like a great deviation. Thats' the reason Prophet MUhammad PBUH said : Ahmad said: Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, and a small deviation from the qiblah does not matter, but he has to try to get it right as much as possible. This was also the view of Abu Haneefah. This view is based on the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. End quote. In al-Muwatta’ of Imam Maalik (4600 it is narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah if you face the direction of the House.” Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh al-‘Umdah (2/539): Al-Athram narrated that ‘Umar, ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whatever is between the east and west is qiblah.” And it was narrated from ‘Uthmaan that he said: “How can a man make a mistake with regard to his prayer when whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, so long as he does not face the east deliberately?” End quote.
11:35 the actual statement was not about grass but thorns. This is taken out of context completely and was about the natural thorns of Makkah, recited in poetry when the migrants went to Madinah when they missed the dry arid climate of Makkah
All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA! 1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa! 2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2! 3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36). 4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea. 5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.! 6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
@@iMan-610 2 - No such thing, since it was written after mr. Muhammeds death. 3 - Wrong - Byzantine only banned idols hundred of years later. 4+5 - Doesn't really matter. The people who adopt it makes the rules and sets the language. 6 - Interesting read
Well, you have certainly informed me of a lot of Islamic history. There is so much to mull over in this documentary, and you make a decent case, but I can't say if your theory is correct or not, as I am, as yet, ill-informed on the subject.
I found the answer.. it's in the Qurán, There was a different location as a test to see who will follow the prophet.. Some American wrongly joined a Quranist cult, then left it and studied Islam properly, he learned how to pray and that there was a different location.. Here is where he mentions it ua-cam.com/video/pnkLvJHi5h8/v-deo.html start at timestamp 40 minutes
This video was posted through a distributor. Someone might be making money, but I have yet to see a single penny from it, even though I commissioned it.
those are liers we muslim can pray i every diriction god is every where if we dont really know where our diriction is than we chose to pray in which dirictoin we want to pray. Allah is above all so allah is everywhere
did the Jordan River represent? The Jordan River has since biblical times been imbued with powerful symbolic meanings: it is a boundary and a crossing point, a metaphor for spiritual rebirth and salvation, and a source of holy water. But the river's symbolic significance became even more layered in the 20th century.
Yes! It is probably one of the most famous rivers on the planet of earth - despite its historically and relatively small actual political significance! Even though it during certain specific instances in history has had some level of importance as political border, especially ever since the birth and establishment of all of the three 'Abrahamitic religions', it never the less didn't really get the indisputabel political importance that it has today before the mid 20th century. Beginning with the carving up of the former Ottoman Empire - and especially so the (re-?) establishment of the modern nation-state of Israel. Never the less, despite its religious and symbolic meaning and repute that is so firmly grounded and found within all of the tree greatest religions as well as its later political importance - I believe it in our days have been trumped by its importance as a mere natural resource... Materialism and capitalism trumps everything - at least in the end, and sooner or later. Wars will from now on probably not be fought for a desire for gold, wealth or 'even' political religious or ideological reasons, but more as a seeming necessity - to 'win' vital resources such as water and rich farm-land....back to the Viking Age, but with Nuclear Arsenals instead of swords. Unfortunately.....
as long as devotees intention is to please God by preying in a certain direction weather they were deceived or not God will make it right because there intention was pure
More then that stone (silica and carbon) stores information like modern data saving devices. So God will actually know and be able to see who's been and every intention literally.
@@IndianNik-y5g Approximately, zero... As for the hypothetical question posed; assuming god exists & it's the Abrahamic god from the torah; then the evidence Indisputably proves that such a god world NOT care what your motives are & would for all eternity, viciously torture you & any associated to you, for the fact he didn't make you perfect. While I certainly don't care & I think that any entity that might care of such trivialities, is invariably not worthy of being worshiped or viewed as a god.
@@adambartlett114 That is a misconception people have, it is actually eternal life or eternal death, not eternal life in joy or eternal life in conscious torment. There are a few verses that are used to twist the truth concerning it. The point is, for those who reject God, they eternally will die, the death they face will lead to the eternal consequence of unconsciousness, never to experience life again. ua-cam.com/video/ecjaQ_La8U0/v-deo.html Here's a short one for you, if you change your mind and are curious, but literally all the verses used to believe that view of eternal torment, if you do the research on them, can be explained, people just twist the scriptures like Peter warned us would happen in 2 Peter 3:15-16. Hope you come to a knowledge of the truth, God loves you, and he has no pleasure in the death of any of us wicked, but rather that we would turn from our sin, to him Ezekiel 33:11.
The destruction of heritage sites associated with early Islam is an ongoing phenomenon that has occurred mainly in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, particularly around the two holiest cities of Islam, Mecca and Medina.[1] The demolition has focused on mosques, burial sites, homes and historical locations associated with the Islamic prophet Muhammad, his companions, and many of the founding personalities of early Islamic history by the Saudi government.[1][2] In Saudi Arabia, many of the demolitions have officially been part of the continued expansion of the Masjid al-Haram at Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina and their auxiliary service facilities in order to accommodate the ever-increasing number of Muslims performing the pilgrimage (hajj).[3]
Petra was in Arabia Petraea also known as Rome's Arabian Province . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea and was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed. And what about Theophanes the Confessor said ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor Theophanes' part of the chronicle covered events of Early Muslim conquests that happened in Arabia Petraea and the Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca" Chronicle of Theophanes the Confessor , Oxford 1997 kupdf.net/download/chronicle-of-theophanes-the-confessor-t_58b3e7796454a73806b1e8dd_pdf You can read what happened from his book
Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉
Documentary was well-made, but is made with confirmation bias. There are plenty of historical accounts that were never mentioned in this program, like the city of Medina and the Zam-Zam Well, which was never covered, yet its significant could not be set aside. Regardless, I do not see why Muslims should feel 'challenged' by Dan's statements - their Faiths have been challenged in many forms yet persists.
@@syed2194 It is much more then a humorous and bias theory given the fact that all early quibla walls faced precisely in the direction of Petra. It seems unlikely that this direction so important to the spirituality of every muslim throughout history would be built into ancient sites accidentally pointing to one geographic location, and coincidentally one so mysterious and obviously important as Petra.
@@thunderbugcreative7778 All early masjids? Nope, only the handful he showed pointed in the general vicinity and even then they don't triangulate exactly to Petra.
@@syed2194 I've got to say that I'm a non believer, an atheist, and the bias of the guy is obvious to me. I'm not sure what he's specifically trying to achieve with this, but a lot of this documentary seems like he's also trying to keep himself convinced.
@@rogertheshrubber2551 If I were to guess, it would probably be to produce this documentary. You have "documentaries" like Ancient Aliens out there that bring in millions in revenue, so this does seem a little more tame than that.
All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA! 1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa! 2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2! 3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36). 4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea. 5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.! 6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
This is no logical deduction. But selective and biased presentation of facts for his arguments. This is not a documentary but really shameful attempt for his own agenda. This ‘documentary’ is based on false information and assumptions. Please read this article: muslimheritage.com/the-petra-fallacy/
The author needs to adjust his translation to correspond exactly to the Arabic, for example in Minute 18:20 he translated "Masjid Al-Haram" as "Forbidden gathering place", which is totally wrong. Maybe he is doing it out of hatred of the religion or else to depict it as inferior to what he believes.
The historical account may be revealing and is in no doubt compelling on the basis of the narrative. In my view as a Muslim l continue to pray in the direction as l have for years accepted. I do believe that my intention governs my actions and l sincerely accept that my prayers made sincerely will be accepted. Allah swa knows best and I believe that all my actions are judged by my intentions.
Why don't you check out the rebuttal to this documentary on my channel. Feel free to watch it if you wish to get the other side of the story. Then you can fairly critique.
Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉
Thanks for your well informed corrections , unfortunately your response is not getting it’s dues, nevertheless as Allah states in the Quran , “majority of them don’t know” and “majority of them don’t believe” , Being in the majority usually not a good sign. Keep educating!
وَلِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّوا فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ Surah al-Baqarah 115. To Allah belong the East and the West. Whichever way you turn, there is Allah’s presence. Allah is Omnipresent and Omniscient.
What a joke...there are generations of Qur'an memorizers that lived in Mecca all the way back to the Prophet...Archeology? How about the well of Zamzam that is there and has been there for thousands of years. It's provided water the city and is bottled for sale to everyone in the world. So clearly, there was resources sufficient for people and trees. 🌳 🌲 🌴. Archeology has not been well established in the city so why is it such a surprise that there's little in the Archeological record!? The ka'bah, is another well known Archeological proof. It's been there and rebuilt upon its original foundation established be Abraham. It wasn't well known to Europeans because it was small and insignificant to them. The proofs are clear to anyone with a logical mind and just a little bit of knowledge. This so called scholar twisted the facts.
If there is water source underground then why would the Saudi government bring sea water filtered to feed people in Mecca. Why to invest so much and bring sea water when you have water source with you. There are no archeological findings in Mecca meaning nobody lived there until 9th century. Archeological evidence is a big thing to believe something. It's important to question things rather than being blind .
@@ctaproductions2272 What nonsense. Well, if you questioned enough, as you say that you should, you would find that Saudi Arabia uses desalination plants for half of its water. That's for the whole country, not Mecca. It's a supplement because of the population. Use some common sense please.
This channel doesn’t understand that almost every mosque we pray in doesn’t need to have a 100% straight line to Kaaba. Some mosque in recent days updates their shaf guiding line if they want more accuracy for their religious practice preference, with the help of compass or when the sun is straight above the Kaaba, so the new shaf line became different with the mosque wall layout. What’s the point of having 100% accurate in the first place if in only one year the earth crust beneath us moving some centimeters and alter the direction with a significant degree. There’s no problem at all with the qibla, we actually allowed to pray at any direction, the only important thing is the pray itself. If this man is historian, then why some other historian abroad criticized the Saudi government for destroying historical place dating back to the prophet age, he looks like a paid actor for this content :D . Also this video had some forced acting, funny animation, some weird performance, and weakened moslem figure. It’s like watching movie produced by cheap studio …
And where is your prove for that, if you carefully study all this history of Islam ☪️ it clearly tells Muhammed and Islam has nothing to do with God of Abraham but about politics and paganism there nothing about God in this whole history of Islam ☪️
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@قلبٌ بريءٌ Why we can't find any Arabic letters in petra.
do you know when these letters were invented!?
when was arab writing invented?
There is a phenomena called CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Continental drift is the theory that the Earth's continents have moved over geologic time relative to each other, thus appearing to have "drifted" across the ocean bed.
@قلبٌ بريءٌ lol, why do you think that?
Did Romans know youtube?
@@brominder CONTINENTAL DRIFT
Geological times are counted in million year periods, they can not explain why the pyramids are perfectly aligned while early mosques are not
@قلبٌ بريءٌ I know when you answer my question
that's why I asked
Always remember this "it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart".
Please elaborate
@@demitrijones6922 the eyes see how right the Muslims and Islam is, But the hearts don’t give in…
It usually starts from the eyes and then descends to the heart. It is not possible for the heart to be blind if the eyes can see.
And to think....all muslims bow in the WRONG direction... 😭😭😭
This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas.
This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.
"The fools among the people will say, “What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer.” Say, (O Muhammad SAW) “To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.” Surah Al-Baqarah - 142.
Omar is the one who changed the direction of the Muslims prayer
I gave you a Quranic verse with the source and you say "Omar"!!?
So, if you want to play dumb, find another place to do so.
It's narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet PBUH said: “Whoever believes in God and the Last Day, let him speak good or remain silent” (Authentic in Bukhari and Muslim).
:)
@@windbauram7659 true, best answers
God is great he replied to this fool before he was born 1400 years ago am just amazed by his infinite wisdom
“Our Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley, near Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may establish prayer. So make the hearts of ˹believing˺ people incline towards them and provide them with fruits, so perhaps they will be thankful” Quran 14:37
Thank you for confirming that!
ua-cam.com/video/l8-0SAb4Rqc/v-deo.htmlsi=U9X12OllMd5WTzQC
Best confirmation
Oh right 👍
--God revealed himself to Mose as God of Israel, YHVH, from Zion in Jerusalem. Allah is God of Israel, YHVH?
It is good to study but you MUST know Arabic when you want to study on Islam. That word is not Masjad, it is Masjed, and it does not mean gathering, it means a place for pray and sojud. So, you do not know even basics of Arabic!!!
I agree with you
subtitles of the Arab guy speaking 11:10 are deliberately translated wrong. He does not say the city had ancient ruins and city walls, rather he describes a large and well known city with markets. Weak and unreliable sources quoted from Bukhari are not sufficient evidence to back up this theory claimed by Dan Gibson. The argument that Mecca had a large population is also wrong. Large armies were not composed merely from the dwellers of Mecca, but were a collective army formed by bedouin tribes who inhabited all areas of the Arabian Peninsula. Mecca only had Qurash tribe who were lucky to own the Kaaba which held the idol gods and tribes of Arabia would visit for religous and trading purposes. Think of it as an ancient trade show with a pilgrimage twist...around the twelth minute the documentary talks about "approaching a town blessed with water and trees". Yes Mecca had Zam-Zam water wells for thousands of years, and yes there would have been Date Palms with "fruits", as dates are classified as a fruit, but certainly not grapes, they fail to show the actual hadith in Arabic text, they just quote it in English with supporting visuals of grapes to manipulate the audience. Why is the climate of Mecca at the time presented as such a suprise? Ancient records show that The Sabaean kingdom of Yemen had cities such as Sanaa with lush gardens and flora. Even Anatolia and Mesopotamia had lions, cheetah and asian elephants but are no longer present. In short, climatic shifts happen and there is no evidence to prove Mecca did not ever have any vegetation during that period. Last point is about the Masjids built in the first century of Islam. Qibla walls could have easily been slightly off target considering the examples given these structures were hundreds or thousands of km's distance and with good reason people did not have Google Earth and modern GPS coordinates at the time, moreover, documentary does not even mention the first masjid built at the time of prophet Mohammed in which he had helped build himself called Masjid Kuba.
@MrA If all of my claims can easily be broken down, then do it, you are obliged to disprove my claims if you have the nerve to speak. I think I have put forward a rational argument with many of my claims opposing specific parts and statements in the documentary. It seems like you haven't paid attention to the details in the documentary and probably have not read my argument carefully, it's obvious by you saying that I will talk about zamzam water, which I already did, and to your bright attention, I have not claimed that the Quran mentions zamzam, as it does not need to mention zamzam, it's presence is a scientific fact.
The Quran does not say there are olive trees in Mecca, this is the verse: “By the fig and the olive; By Mount Sinai; By this City of Security (Makkah)” this verse does not make a claim that there are figs and olives in Makkah nor on mount Sinai, it's an oath to those fruits because first of all they are very beneficial to the human body, secondly, figs and olives were known to the Arabs of Makkah because they were widely traded commodities. As a matter of fact, any commercial produce which was available in Petra - Palestine - Levant area, you could have also found in the markets of Makkah because there were merchants trading these goods. The prophet Mohammed had also travelled to the Levant in his youth as a merchant, people of Makkah were familiar with many fruits and products such as olive oil. Anyhow your understanding of history is very shallow, which explains why you would believe a clumsily prepared documentary like this one, I guess it was aimed at an audience of your caliber. Go read some history books, Mr.self proclaimed donkey genius
How do you know the translation was deliberately wrong?
@@michael7324 probably because he is an arab and knows classical Arabic?
@@xondeez757Hi XON, Im sure a lot of people speak the language. My question is why does he think it is deliberate? He can not know the translators intent.
@@michael7324 Arabs know what classical arab means.
The confusion here stems from the way Arabic text is written in English. The word "Haram" in Majid-a-Haram is a different Arabic word (that is spelled differently in Arabic) than the word meaning forbidden: Haram. This word means sanctuary or holy shrine. For example Mecca and Madina are commonly referred to as the "Harameen Sharifine" meaning the two holy shrines.
These two words are also pronounced differently. The word forbidden is pronounced with a more extended second "a" (Haraam), while the word for shrine is a quick two syllables (ha-ram)
Well said bro
Thanks for the explanation. This helps in getting better clarification.
My friend please understand that I am telling you this from many years of research the black cube at mecca is a representation of Saturn worship. The cube is a representation of the prison of the titans. This is idol worship. Mohammed received much of his information from a spirit deep within a cave. This spirit is most likely a powerful jinn or demon.
Its actualy forbidden to NON-muslims !
@ The Human Experience The Truth is rarely pure and never simple.
Fell asleep at 2 and woke up to this and some other documentaries in my watch history
What do you think of it
I wish id done the same.
Even when presented with crushing proof ...... Dumb, Dumbest & Dan often believe that the very proof that they are WRONG .... is a proof that they are right ..
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@@zionisthindurepublican7989 who are you referring to? Please clarify!!!
Dan, this is a fantastic work, could you please add Arabic Subtitles. The message is critical for Arabic speakers.
Bro this is a Zionist Christian channel. 90% of what they're saying have been has ben debunked by academics. For example, the Nabateans are 100% Arabs and spoke Arabic not Aramaic, that's agreed upon. Second the Roman province was named Arabia Petraeus nor Syrian province. Also the in the Arabic text it does not say Syria but the word Sham is used which mean the Levant. Also notice how they call everything in Palestine - "Israel", and avoid mentioning the word Palestine even though that was the name under the Romans.
Press the CC button it may help
The message is a joke and insult to western scholarship. No mainstream scholar from either the muslim or western tradition endorses this ridiculous theory.
Lies in English is enough, unless you want the Arabs to be more disgusted with white man
One thing I realized is, people at that time were very extraordinary in Astronomy and calculation
"Deaf Dumb Blind, they will never return" Quran 2:18
Ikr. Dan missed that part. He tried
I think it's because extraterrestrials shared their knowledge with them just like they did with all other ancient civilizations and tribes all around the world. We are not alone.
@@margueritearavena2256 stay led astray
@@margueritearavena2256 Yes thats the true answer as in my research. Througout the bible theres talk of alien visitation & the book of Enoch had lots & it wasnt even in the bible.When i was younger i love Astromony & found to my suprise that the Saudis im sure it was had the greatest knowledge in civilization even better than China & planets & star systems etc were named by them wayy back in time.Where did they get the knowledge, where did anyone back then get it.And through the ages word has been passed down by mouth & carvings on rock till to this day we know it was because of visitation of other beings. Funny how time can eraze a lot of great information, burning books & missinformation etc. But we have great ppl who spend their lives on finding the real truth that others wish to hide from us but we keep finding it .Love IS the key i believe not war & murder.Have a great life
Quran 2:158
Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.
I don't understand why people can take Quran seriously... Maybe out of curiosity. The Quran was written in a way that it was out of order unlike the Bible. I mean ...it was not written in a chronological order...there was no order.....it was a bunch of Arabic documents put together and with Muhammad's beliefs...
@@geoffreyk6229 LOL BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@The1Bozkurt1The Holy Bible was written in a well mannered order. Quran wasn't. Look at them both.
@@The1Bozkurt1Quran is just like Muhammad..F.A.K.E.
@@geoffreyk6229
DID JESUS CURSE THE FIG TREE BEFORE OR AFTER DIRIVING THE MERCHANTS FROM THE TEMPLE
A-)AFTER : MATTHEW 21:12-19
B-)BEFORE : MARK 11:12-17
😂😂BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂
The mosque of Madina is still alive and you haven’t mentioned it in this whole documentary that where the mosque of Madina Qibla direction is?
The Qiblatain mosque is the first mosque and its Qibla direction is towards Mecca not Petra.
Today’s direction of either mosques was made later. Dan Gibson has researched that too.
After the Muslims moved to Madina, a prayer of the Prophet was accepted and Muslims were told to face Mecca instead of Palestine, so its clear enough that they faced a different direction in the early days. Read all of Islamic history then make assumptions.
MADINA mosque more than 5 times reconstructed...
Weak documentary.
@@has_ali if anything against Islam it is weak.. so funny.. weak hadeeths and weak quran, weak Muhammad and weak Allah..
But I know woman and perfumes are the weakness of Muhammad..
Brother he saying with historical and scientific evidences... so you have right to answer the same way.. God Bless you
I think the anomalies in the official history and the descriptions still available of the city show that this is a very important documentary. It has swayed me to this theory being correct. Devout followers may not be swayed, but that is their right. The civil wars among Muslims call into question Mecca being the holy city and birth place of the Prophet.
This theory has been disproved so easily and so many times, even by other orientalist that I’m honestly shocked that someone would even waste their time in creating this video.
1 hour plus video which can be refuted in like 5 minutes lol
This is amateurish garbage based on a totally debunked thesis from the 1970s.. Ancient Muslim historian accounts are extremely accurate and match very well with contemporary accounts written by Byzantines, Armenians, Copts and Syriac monks. _Hagerism_ actually did a great service to Islam and Islamic studies
Dear @rosevale3218. Consider the fact that since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad (peace be unto Him) in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage and annual Hajj throughout 1400 years history since then with no break.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot on. That is fact not beautifully narrated theory
So, Ibn Zubeir changed a whole holy city from its place, and changed the Qibla direction which represents a pillar in the Islamic faith but no Muslim protested at that time, and no historian or theologist spoke or wrote about this spectacular and grandiose event in all the Islamic history, even the victorious rivals of Ibn Zubair who were in Damascus didn't say anything about that?!!
That means that this relocation of the sacred city of Mecca was one of the most successful conspiracies in human history because all Muslims and non-Muslims of that time and all the rival clans (Ibn Zubeir in Mecca, the Umayyad in Damascus, The shiites in Iraq and the anarchist and extremist Kharijites who were everywhere) liked and participated in the relocation of the city and in the changement of the Qibla, and they collaborated to keep that secret and succeeded in that task for more than a thousand years !!
Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism: they all survived over a thousand years. It's a long time but it doesn't say anything about veracity. It's quite imaginable that the Qibla could be moved if you were only roughly supposed to face it and weren't required to face it 100% accurately 🤷♀️
Turn around. Look at what Muhammad prophesied..
Find nothing...he was NOT A PROPHET.
Please view this video by Dr Shabir Ali on Dan Gibson's qibla at the link on the right; ua-cam.com/video/Rxv_QTMWTro/v-deo.html
I guess anyone that protested met a knife in the back afterall the ruler's words were ultimate back then pretty much everywhere in the world, unlike today.
@@Vengeance22 lol so how did you know that everyone who protested got killed?
Sources right? The where are the sources that say anything about the change or the protest? Exactly nothing it's all in your imagination
Although I accept all the evidence, I still have questions. What will happen to the well of Zamzam if Abbasia turns the holy city of Petra into Mecca? How would it be possible to remove the well from Petra and bring it to Mecca?
agreed balqis
I think further research might need to be made about the Zamzam well. But my theory is that the Zamzam well would just have always be there and formed naturally. And that the story about Hajar and Ishmael about the well might be just that, stories to justify the existence of the well in an arid area that's seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
And the Maqaam Ibrahim, it's a stone that has an imprint of where the prophet stood when he built the Kaaba. If theories about the stone to be the related with the Black Stone that's descended from heaven is correct. Then I think that it might be coming from the same meteorite where the Black Stone comes from. Which matches the description that it's a stone that comes from heaven which can be interpreted as fallen from the sky, in other words, a meteor. Which then we can admit that the stone is definitely not of earth origin.
But this is just my baseless theory, and I think further research needs to be made about it.
I am a muslim, but I don't practice my religion through blind faith. I approach my religion through scientific views and always make sense of things using common sense and with historical socio-cultural contexts.
@@NeoKingArthur this kind of confussion about the kiblah already predicted and answered in the Quran. This make me realize how amazing The Quran is. So regretful that i am not a perfect moslem, yet. Sorry bad english. 😂😂
ARE THEY TWO OIL WELLS?
Please view this explanation by Avi Lipkin, a Jew on Moses pilgrimage to Mecca at ua-cam.com/video/TitVJG70piM/v-deo.html
An important fact is that the Muslims conquered Mecca in the life of the prophet Muhammad (SA). Before that the Muslims had visited Mecca once to try to perform Pilgrimage which was denied by Abu-Sufyan etc. In three of the descriptions of the Prophets migration to Medina, the first visit for pilgrimage and the conquest of Mecca, the traimvel narrations do not point towards such a large distance (from Madina to Petra).
Also, Muslims, starting from the life of the Prophet, annually visited Mecca and people repeated this pilgrimage several times for years. So it is not possible that the location of Mecca can change.
First off Petra was not Mecca this guy Gibson is in total error guessing. He is guessing because he knows that modern day Mecca is not ancient Mecca. So he trying to guess at an important place that it could be. But he is wrong. He is right that modern Mecca and ancient Mecca are not the same place. The descriptions do not fit modern Mecca. Modern Jerusalem also is not ancient Jerusalem and they have not found any of the biblical stone cities. These place dont just disappear. And its not that they disappeared, they were never there, but some where else. These cities were hidden including the ancient biblical cites and Mecca. When you read the book When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler you will see where these stones cities still stand in the americas! Yes, it sounds impossible but the proof is having the stone cities! If you cant find the ancient stone cities and historical monuments like the Kaaba then you don't have the ancient geographic locations of these places.
@@brianglisson968 well said.
@@brianglisson968 You’re saying that precolumbian ruins in the Americans are actually biblical locations? How high are you dude?
@@kill_em_dafoe Thats Horace Butler's research that he found and wrote about, in HIS book 'When Rocks Cry Out' not mine. Read that book first then you can talk about it. Right now you have NO idea and dont have the knowledge to even argue against or for it! You dont know that Adam is not the first man in existence but the first of the creation of the Egyptian Empire after he gathered and combined the scattered groups/tribes to defeat his own real fathers empire. You also have no idea that Cain and Abel are the other names for Khonsu and Bel(Ausar) and that they are the sons of Amen their father who is 'Ed'Amen, "ADAM" You dont know that when the biblical records states that Jerusalem was in a high Mountain surrounded about. that those hills over their in todays so called Jerusalem are not it. So yes, modern ancient egypt that was built after they left and fled the Americas, on its walls and records are talking about their dawn and beginnings in South America where Amens temple was in the high mountains of Peru.
Avi Lipkin the Jewish historian claimed that
Prophet Moses did pilgrimage to Mecca in his book "Return to Mecca" which was in the Arabian deserts. He also claimed Jethro was the high priest of the Cube / Ka"aba and Moses was married to Jethro's daughter.
The Phylacteries that Orthodox Jews put on their heads or arms are replicas of the Cube/ Ka'aba. The time of his
pilgrimage was during the Israelites' sojourn in the Arabian desert for 38 years followed by 2 years in the deserts just to the east of Jordan River. Please google for the image of the phylactery.
As mentioned in the Quran chapter 2 verse 115: "To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah. Surely Allah is All-Encompassing, All-Knowing." So, it really doesn't matter even if your "research" proves that muslims should pray in direction of London. Thank you again for this amazing "research" that cost you money, effort, and time. Looking forward to watching another "scientific" documentary.
You are clearly missing the point though. If Muslims were told to "change the qiblas" and then they build so many mosques pointing towards a specific point, and this point is not Mecca, what does that tell you about early Islamic history.
@@theastronomer5800The mosques were not pointing in any particular direction, but were just built facing random directions each, ua-cam.com/video/KLIUCrd5hG4/v-deo.html
I understand your point of view, and largely agree. However, I don’t believe this documentary was made with the purpose of being offensive to Muslims. I think the researcher is simply trying to clarify inconsistencies in early Islamic history. I certainly do not take his claims at face value, but it is an interesting theory.
Qur'an mentions makka to be the place where prophet ibrahim(a.s) left his wife hajar(a.s) and son ismail (a.s) according to Allah(s)'s command.
And it mentions about the zamzam water and various hadiths mentions about it. And Ibrahim (a.s) and Ismail (a.s) built the Ka'aba there. Today you could find the zamzam well near Ka'aba. As per this theory that should be fake and there should be the original zamzam in Petra. Where exactly is it?
What about the other cities and places which were mentioned in islamic texts in relations to makka? Did you find the alternatives close to Petra aa well?
The documentary talks about lack of archeological evidence in makkah. What are you expecting? Pieces of ancient mosaic etc like you'd find in Rome or jerusalem? Makkah was a desert city with hardly any long durable structures. It was a small city with economy primarily consisting of agriculture, trade and the pilgrims who'd visit the Ka'aba. It was never an advanced city like Rome or jerusalem before islam and during the time of the prophet(s). Hadiths mentions houses and even mosques built with palm tree leaves and planks etc. It was later after the islamic empire's expansion the city improved.
This video is just a massive conspiracy theory with full of holes that the creator can use as food strainer at home.
I don't believe Muslims are praying in the wrong direction.
They are doing things right. Who cares anyway. At least they give thanks and praises to their God.
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
(Soorah Tawbah 9:32)
@DeeDee the Qur'an was not put into text long after prophet(pbuh)'s death. His companions used to write it down. It was the physical compilation of it into a book that happened during Usman(a.s)'s time. There were hundreds of people who memorised the Qur'an (just like today there are thousands) Usman (a.s) asked the people to bring the writings of Qur'an and in the leadership of the prophet's(pbuh) companions who learnt and memorized Qur'an from him, it was compiled into a book form. Later the non standardized writings people held were destroyed and the copied compiled books were distributed into various governorates.
The word bakkah is another variation of the name Makkah which is still in the Qur'an denoting the city.
As a Muslim I should only look into sensible arguments. Not a grand conspiracy theory arguing that an entire city along with major landmarks including the ka'aba, the zamzam well etc was re planted to another place hundreds of kilometers away without any historical documents. It's like arguing that Paris was actually in Barcelona. People will ask you about the original Eiffel tower in Barcelona if you come up with such conspiracy theories.
@DeeDee its good to look with an open mind. There are a number of factors you have to keep in mind when it comes to this video.
1. We have the oldest manuscripts of the Quran, carbon dated. Available in the London museum. We have the Sanaa manuscript as well.
The prophet (pbuh) had specific sahaba who were known as "Kuttab al wahy", which translates to "writers of revelation", who were responsible of writing the revelation as soon as the Quran was revealed to the prophet (pbuh).
2. We have ancient relics and sights in mecca. The mosques other than the kabba are still there, the cave of hira, and most importantly the untouched "maqam ibrahim" the standing ground of Ibrahim (pbuh).
3. Our history is well detailed, not to mention the first maps created were Arabian, I don't understand the arrogance provided by the scientist/researcher to think we don't even know where mecca is. When even ancient tribes, including mine still have manuscripts of locations we own and have owned in the past.
4. If they are saying our qibla is incorrect, they are saying Islam is wrong. Because Allah orders the prophet to face it and the story of how it changed from Jerusalem would be wrong.
This is a huge claim, and no doubt there would be mistakes in the Quran.
My counter argument, find a mistake in the Quran, because surely, if you claim that the qibla is incorrect, the Quran must have mistakes.
This video is done by the western man, who in his mind believes everyone is ignorant. Even the Arab they keep bringing in the video, is a Kuwaiti Christian.
The Quran talks about the big bang, but is wrong about the qibla? 😂
@DeeDee I think you have understood me incorrectly. Please read again and try to understand. May God bless you with knowledge and a perfect life now and the next abord.
سورة إبراهيم{ رَّبَّنَا إِنِّي أَسْكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِي بِوَادٍ غَيْرِ ذِي زَرْعٍ عِندَ بَيْتِكَ الْمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ فَاجْعَلْ أَفْئِدَةً مِّنَ النَّاسِ تَهْوِي إِلَيْهِمْ وَارْزُقْهُم مِّنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَشْكُرُونَ (37)}، وهنا يوصف مكان البيت المحرم أنه وادي ليس فيه زرع ولا شجر، وهذا هو وصف مكة التي في الحجاز.
هذا دليل من القرآن الكريم ان مكة ليست ذات زرع وان الكعبة الموجودة الآن هي التي بناها ابراهيم عليه السلام, لا تنخدعوا لانه اتى باعرابي لايفهم شي عن دينه بان يثبت مزاعمه لديكم يا مسلمون.
وقد دعا سيدنا إبراهيم الله أن يرزق أهل هذا البلد من الثمرات، وكما يفسر الباحث الإسلامي الدكتور عدنان إبراهيم، أن الثمرات إما تزرع أو تجتبى من خارج البلد، وهذا ما كان في قوله تعالى: { وَقَالُوا إِن نَّتَّبِعِ الْهُدَىٰ مَعَكَ نُتَخَطَّفْ مِنْ أَرْضِنَا ۚ أَوَلَمْ نُمَكِّن لَّهُمْ حَرَمًا آمِنًا يُجْبَىٰ إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رِّزْقًا مِّن لَّدُنَّا وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (57)} سورة القصص
OK! lets use old resources to know where was Muhammad born ? and who are his ancestors ?
These resources before he was born hhhhhhhhaaa
Old Testament
Isaiah 21 :
13:An oracle concerning Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia
14:bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives.
Tema is in Saudi Arabia "تيماء"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayma
Genesis 25
13:And these were the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam
Kedar is Ishmael's son
Isaiah 42
11:Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, The villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, Let them shout from the top of the mountains.
mountain Sela is in Saudi Arabia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
جزاک اللہ۔
@@ماعلينا-ث8ب that is not muhamed
read harry potter, much muhamed there
and there is a muhamed in that disney movie
but muhamed is not mentioned in holy books
@@worfoz shut up
It is a great documentary.
The Sunnis and Shias split started after 632 AD and since then, each side only agrees with the other on religious and sacred changes that happened when the prophet was still alive, e.g. they both fast during the holy month of Ramadan. They both perform hajj. They both celebrate Eid ul Adha & Eid ul Fitr. After the prophet however, the Sunnis and Shias only agreed, sometimes on military change or political change, e.g. during wars. They never agreed on a single sacred change, till date. E.g. the Shias visit Imam Husayn Shrine in Karbala which is sacred up till today, while the Sunnis refused. Sunnis break their fast at sunset, when the sun is no longer visible, but there is still light in the sky which is sacred, but the Shias refused. They wait until all light has disappeared from the sky before they break their fast, and it goes on.
Now Ibn Zubayr (who was an Umayyad and also a Sunni) showed up, and change the qibla direction to Mecca in the missing year 70 (or 690AD) in Al Tabris's book. The question is: because both Sunnis and Shias today pray while facing Mecca, in what year did the Shias agreed with the Sunnis on that sacred change?
Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11
ua-cam.com/video/24JX2aeNiaU/v-deo.html
Ibn zubayr did what in 690 AD? Care to explain further?
You should read the real history of qibla direction change.
Muhammad and the early Muslims in Medina initially prayed towards Jerusalem, and changed the qibla to face the Kaaba in Mecca in 624 CE.
Lol facts because they not agreeing on nothing
There was no Sunni & Shia in the days of prophet Mohammad PBUH
Go correct your knowledge first
@@wakdoj bro did you even watch the documentary ? lol
Allah said in the Quran that your intentions counts whatever you do in Islam for Allah, not the direction. He said “Allah” “ the whole earth is mine , pray where ever you are, he is all knowing, all seeking, your intentions. Allah knows , what they planed, whatever, I planned the plan, so my planning for good. Rest read the Quran yourself.
Beautiful answer from another commenter:
"Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar.
Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious?
- “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century.
- Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation.
- Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that.
- Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…).
- The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home.
- He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history.
- Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition.
I would cite more proves than that...."
JazakAllah brother for sharing this, I was looking for someone to put light on these facts, I myself had not this much knowledge..
“And no example or similitude do they bring (to oppose or to find fault in you or in this Quran), but We reveal to you the truth (against that similitude or example), and the better explanation thereof” [al-Furqan 25:33].
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“Here Allah, may He be glorified, tells us that the disbelievers do not produce any rational argument to support their falsehood but He refutes it on the basis of truth, and presents arguments and evidence and examples that offer a better explanation thereof, are more convincing and give a clearer explanation of the truth than their argument and analogy.” (Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (4/106)
Thank you for posting the truth.
Ahsant. This theory that Mecca isn’t Mecca is very ignorant and nothing but new world order propaganda. This channel has lost my respect and credibility as well as that of any knowledgeable person watching it. Muslims have been in Mecca since Islam. When was Mecca forgotten? Stupidity, sir. And shame on this channel
@@remotAge They shouldn't look to it if its bs. There is evidence suggesting otherwise, in fact it's extremely simple for anyone with half a brain cell. The prophets mosque is still around to this day, and the kaaba aka the black stone that symbolises the centre of mecca and muslim faith has been around since Abraham built it. It is also the direction we pray to... and have been since the time of the Prophet.
@@sulèimthedreamYou don't know if it's BS, or the truth, UNTIL you look into it.
Archeological evidences show the true Mecca 🕋 location was at Washington DC , Capitol Hill.
Who would have known!?
Haha, nice one! On the real though, I think there is a huge disconnect for any Muslim that learned objectively. Things just don't connect. Don't know if the video is right... But it connects way better than the agenda we have today.
@@aliyuolalekan8276 I’m born and raised muslim , I’m sorry to disappoint you but this video was lie . Quran has never been edit or any change ( word of god ) and we people we know it and we use it on our daily routine.
Simply this’s video mentioned the story against Quran’s story
Hhhhhhhhhhhh
@@k-noise If it was the words of God, should not you follow every word?
@@k-noise lie or not has nothing to do with your birth and the way you were raised, I'm also not sure you've read it.. If the Quran is not the same as history, then which one is wrong? All I know is: history and fact is very stubborn
The terms "masjidilharam" can't be interpreted literally as "forbidden place of gathering". It's too simplistic and not accurate. There are historical context for every sentence in Quran which must be taken into consideration. Muslim call this field as tafsir. Even in Islam there not many scholar who has the capacity in tafsir of Quran. There many things you must check to give the most accurate explaination for every word and sentence in Quran. You can't interpret Quran by only using archeology.
lol. You are a true example of a Muslim who does not understand the essence of the matter and resorts to details. This was not at all about the interpretation of the Qur'an. so far away. Get out of the illusion that you only know everything.
Yes you can
Bla bla bla. Sunni narrative of ‘not everyone can do this or that’. Sheep.
But Mecca didn't exist in Muhammad's lifetime. So.
Islam has set humanity back 1000 years of societal and technological evolution. What a blessing.
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Yes, this is the proof
Sure buddy just ignore the entire section of history called the Islamic golden age, also I am sure the Catholic church was doing wonders in the middle ages like persecuting Van gogh for saying the earth isnt the center of the universe.
@@hishamalaker491glad Christianity wasn’t founded by a Ghana, pedophilia, bandit of a prophet.
God must love them so much that he gave such a prophet to their Arabian cousins.
Imagine being so ignorant
As you told earlier at the start that the Mecca was a city with no greenery, fruit and trees yes it`s true because when prophet Abraham (PBUH) his wife Hajrah (PBUH) and his son Ismaeel (PBUH) arrived here at first time there was nothing in this valley. ZamZam became the water source here and slowly this place began to populated.
Secondly Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) travelled from Mecca to Medina with his companion Abubakar (RA) which is very close to Mecca. And they travelled from Mecca to Medina in several days. If Petra was the birthplace of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) then how two men can travel so far from Petra to Medina in several days and nights with out even a animal for conveyance??
Third Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ismaeel(PBUH) had built the first house of Allah here in Mecca, the Quran have documented it and then they preyed for this city Mecca.
Fourth In the life time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) he concurred Mecca by preparing his army from Medina. Medina and Mecca both cities are very close to each other in terms of distance, If Petra was the place they want to concurred then they definitely have to travel a lot from Medina to Petra for war, bit it is not mentioned.
Fifth In Quran Allah has mentioned several old nations that have build palaces in mountains like here in Petra and they were destroyed because they worship idles.
Sixth the tombs of most of the companions are here in Mecca and Medina if Petra was the holy place and the place were they were born then definitely their tombs could have been found here.
Moreover as due to lack of technology at that time their may be some flaws in Qibla direction to Mecca in early mosques, but they are close to the direction towards Mecca.
These are only few points there are lot of other points in Islamic history that also points that Mecca was the forbidden place to worship.
I agree with you. Every muslim should be clear about this. Already a lot of people started to believe the documentary. It scares me.
Absolutely right. We have Qur'an as the most authentic book to discribe historical facts.
"Then how two men can travel so far from Petra to Medina in several days and nights with out even a animal for conveyance??"
Flying donkey....?? Mwhahaha
Lol the way they changed other books and religion according to there need destroyed our countries by raiding robbing so m not surprise and best proof is this guy spend lofe in moddle east studied islam and Quran but still he didnt figured the real truth out and convert to islam
Try to follow islam but don't try to protect or defend it bcoz islam it truth, islam is itself a formula of defense, nobody on this earth has d power to attack or damage truth & truth is islam. Those who pretend to be d fighters of islam are actually those who harm themselves.
I find it interesting that they could change the direction where they are praying too. Yes basically you get heared when you are praying, but when its an "holy place" shouldnt it be there for ever? For me this feels like changing your roots. Its lying to the thing you believe in when you dont worship the place it started from. Its gets forgotten and then you loose the value it gave to people.
Ehh. We never changed directions. Explain zam zam well, city of medina. Etc mecca is filled with homes and graves and mosques of the prophet's time.
it's also an inintentinal sin to pray in the wrong way, same thing in christianity
this is what happens when you dont understand arabic yet you judge like he expert you are not
Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)
I disagree with this theory, Islam forbids Statutes of living things, which even now exist in Petra. The pilgrimage to a holy city could not have existed in a city still containing statue of living things when they are clearly forbidden in the Quran.
Haram in this context does not mean forbidden. It rather means sacred or sanctuary.
also MASJID means the place of sejoud (prayer) not "Gathering" as he twisted it.
Look Islam is flawless religion that has never changed for centuries so a fellow human being with lots of flaws tells me otherwise i find this appalling realy,Muslims will ignore this particular chapter of your version of mecca. Sorry.
What is the evidence this statement?
@@abiolabolarinwa3069it's so obvious 😭😭😭😭
Petra is the city more ancient than mecca. And it belong to the family of hazrat ismail called nabateans. they were very intelligent people.
Sorry, but you are very stupid, Ismail and his mother were in Mecca when Jordan and Petra was just desert Mecca was built by Ibrahim and his son Ismail and Ibn Ismail Miidian lived in “madian”north of Saudi Arabia When Moses fled Egypt, he went to madian and married one of the daughters of Ismail's grandsons And Moses lived in Median for ten years and was tending the sheep of Shoaib (Jathero) Study your history well before speaking
@@azizm8248 see who is talking about getting history right. Your "facts"? Prove it with archeological findings, not by the imaginative narration of "Islamic history" by your mullahs. Calling people stupid means you think you are clever, I think it's better for you to keep quiet and let people THINK you are clever, rather than opening your mouth and prove the opposite. Hazrat Ismail? In the sharia court, this illegitimate son will not inherit ANYTHING from his father because the sexual union between Ibrahim and siti Hagar is not "sahih". There was no "niqah". It's out of wedlock. In the sharia court, both mother and son would have been stoned to death for zina, and for spawning an illegitimate son who will never be allowed to use his father's name in his "bin", he can only be "bin" to an abdullah. But Ibrahim would go free, because s Muslim (yes, Muslims keep saying Ibrahim is neither a jew or a Christian but a muslim, ie. the one who submits. Well, guess what, the patriarch Ibrahim, would be the great "Muslim" patriarch who rejects Mohammad and his Quran ) man is by nature pious and honest and can do no wrong, if he commits zina with a woman it's because the woman enticed him by not covering her body with abayah and hijab. So it's the woman's fault. The GOD of Abraham, Issac and Jacob commanded Ibrahim to send the mother and son off with provision. The god of the people of Sharia would have commanded that both be stoned to death for their transgression. Kaaba built by Ibrahim and Ismail? Prove it. Don't tell tales and stories, use archeology . So far, the Bible has been doing excellently well. The Quran? Astaghfirullah...
@@RuhullahNdeen
You're a sad Christian weirdo with a fake account.
Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaq Muhammed were all Muslim prophets of God.
Christianity and the bible are false.
@@channelfive7883 U are very wrong, yes God did refer to Ibrahim and his sons that they are muslims.But u are mistaken for the word muslim it means the ones who submit to peace and that peace is that u believe in one god. People of today are mistaken the word muslim for one who submit to quran but in truth its one who submits to god. So any one that believes in one god is muslim. That includes Jews and Christians. Thats why in quran God refers to Ibrahim and his sons to be mulims when in fact islam was not yet revealed at that time.
the treaty of "" HUDAY BIYA """ and hudaybiya is about 5 miles from Makkah mukaremah NOT 5 MILES FROM PETRA the holy Quran chapter 26 surah alfattah ruk 17
The Koran’s been abrogated and changed
@@Cultwatch123 it wasn't unlike the bible that is getting more updates than an apple device
@@Cultwatch123 liar
@@Cultwatch123 be a man and don't lie
@@wbhtrb3008 Uthman ?
There were many kaabas in the region at the time. Muslims think that their kabba is the most important/special, but it's not:
The Kaaba of Al-Sharif is believed to have been built in the 5th or 6th century CE by the Jurhum tribe, one of the pre-Islamic Arab tribes that inhabited the region. The tribe was known for their worship of the goddess al-Lat, and the Kaaba is said to have housed a statue of the deity. The Kaaba of Al-Sharif was transformed into a mosque by Muslims.
The Kaaba of Al-Abwa was built by the Banu 'Amir tribe in the 7th century, who inhabited the region prior to the rise of Islam. The tribe was known for their devotion to the god al-Uzza
The Kaaba of Dhul Khalasa in Yemen, believed to have been built by the Himyarite kingdom in the 4th century CE. It was ordered to be destroyed by Muhammad (Sahih al-Bukhari 3823).
The Kaaba of Hubal was located in the city of Petra in Jordan and was dedicated to the moon-god Hubal. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century during the Islamic conquests.
The Kaaba of Al-ilah was located in the city of Tabala in northern Arabia and was dedicated to the god Al-ilah. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century.
The Kaaba of Zalmay was located in the city of Balkh in modern-day Afghanistan and was dedicated to the god Zalmay. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century.
The Kaaba of Baal was located in the city of Baalbek in Lebanon and was dedicated to the god Baal. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century.
The Kaaba of Allat was located in the city of Taif in Saudi Arabia and was dedicated to the goddess Allat. It was destroyed by the Muslims in the 7th century.
According to historical documents, the Khuzaa’h tribe from Yemen built Mecca in the 4th century AD [Al-Azraqi, Kitab Akhbar Makka, Vol. 1, p. 6]. The king Abu Karb Asa’d led this, who reigned over Yemen in 410-435 A.D, built the Kaaba similar to the Kaaba found in Yemen [A. Jamme. W. F, Sabean Inscriptions from Mehram Bilqis (Ma’rib), the John Hopkins Press, Baltimore, 1962, vol. III, p. 387].
Reference of vegetation in Mecca is incorrect and the Quran talks about Mecca as a village not a city this whole thing is flawed
The foolish of the people will say: What hath turned them from the qiblah which they formerly observed? Say: Unto Allah belong the East and the West. He guideth whom He will unto a straight path. ~ Quran (2:142)
And to the people who ask "where is the place where Muhammad was born" ?
@@DuncanIdaho1980 is that even a question. He was born in the city of Makkah.
@@matheen8574 Oh c'mon, ofc i know he was, but the whole video is "where was the Mekka in which he was born". So I do really need to reformulate that question ? Sigh ok i will !!! "Where was located the Mekka in which He was born ?", which is precisely the subjet of that video.
Is it more easily understandable that way ?
@@DuncanIdaho1980 hello, this is the answer to your question.
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Have a nice day.
@@matheen8574 Interresting.
And what makes you think the points developped in this video are more valid that the ones presented by Gibson ? (that's no tricky question, i'm genuinely willing to understand)
Why is Mecca not on any of the early maps after the starting period of Islam?
I’m not a scholar in Arabic but you don’t have to be one to know the following :
1) “Bekka“ which means to have weeped or cried , in arabic is بكى and not بكة as mentioned.
The adjective of weeping or crying is يبكي for male and تبكي for female. Therefore the part about changing the city name from Bekka to Mekka doesn’t make sense, in such a case Mekka would be spelled as مكى which is wrong, It is currently spelled as مكة .
2) several times the author refers to AlMasjid as meaning a gathering place, but in Arabic AlMasjid means “the place that Prostration is conducted.” Masjid is the adjective of Sajad which means to have laid face down as submission during prayer for Worshop.
A gathering place on the other hand is referred to as Aljameh الجامع.
Prostration has literally been a form of worship across virtually every culture. Everyone and their mother bowed to their respective gods all over the world. You Muslims really think you invented the practice. 😂😂😂
That's what they did sajdah to Allah Almighty . Bella is mecca . It's also spoken of in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
Daniel prayed towards Jerusalem. One direction I know I won't miss EVER is praying straight up to heaven.
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@Jeriba Shigan North.
Stupid comment
Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11
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I appreciate your research and your perspective about the qibla. But, I must say that is too little to prove your theory of the abundant of Islam history. Why?:
1. It's not clear about the Prophet Muhammad life in his birthplace of Mecca not Becca (Petra). Where he was actually resided and growing up with so many moments in his life and with all of the revelations. Why all the shirah (the life story of Muhammad) and the revelations took place near Mecca and Medina not in Petra? How can you prove all of that? If you say the Abbasid changed that story by burning all of the manuscripts, do you think that million people at that time that already converted to Islam and spread all over the world got amnesia too? So, there must be other version to challenge that?
2. Why and How the cemetery of Muhammad in Medina not near Petra? Did the Abbasid brought his dead body to Medina? What is the evidence? Or is that too weird if the qibla thousand miles away from where Muhammad resided as the order of the revelation? Or you say the Abbasid had changed it too?
3. How about the history of the four companions that ruled near Mecca and Medina not Petra? Do you have the evidence that they ruled near Petra?
4. There are a lot of wars happened at the beginning of Islam, like Khandaq near Medina (Moslem vs the Jews in Medina), Badar, Uhud, etc. All of them plotted closed to Mecca and Medina not Petra. Do you have the evidence of the wars? Or perhaps you say it never happened because of the burning manuscripts?
5. About the Hajj rituals: How about the obligation to spend the night at Jabal Arafah for Pilgrimage, how can you explain that? How about the area of the Jumroh of Ula, Wusta, Aqabah? How can you explain about Zamzam water?
6. Aqsa Masjid in Palestine was the first qibla than changed to Mecca. If you demand for the precised direction of the qibla, it's impossible. As moslems, we just do our best to manage the best precision towards the Ka'aba, it's impossible be a 100% precise.
7. There're almost a million mosques in my country, Indonesia. I'm not saying that these mosques were built at the first century of Islam but I just wannna say that if we find it at the wrong direction towards the qibla, then we just adjust our prayer posistion without reconstruct the foundation of the mosque. So, you Dan Gibson must know about this. I think this is one of your misleading on your video.
**There are so many questions that you need to prove to say the moslem qibla is wrong. It's not wise to summary the misleading qibla by jumping from one to another moment without knowing the long history of Islam. You must study about Islam holistically not partially. For instance, you need to study about Muhammad story, birthplace, his activities, the rituals of pilgrimage (because the pilgrimage is not only about Shafa and Marwah but there're a few others). In conlclusion, I must say that your theory is only a PSEUDOSCIENCE.
Apart from the Archeology 🤦♂
They are trying to misguide the Ummah
I don't think you have read much research into early Islam by actual historians. For a long time now scholars have argued based on evidence such as linguistic studies, epigraphical studies, Quranic geography and trade route studies that the Quran was more likely composed in northern Arabia. It has a heavy Syriac influence, it mentions locations as if they were nearby but they are much further north, etc. Gibson's work is in line with that evidence. The Quran doesn't really talk about Mecca, and later sources don't have place names, they are inserted in brackets as they were "assumed" to be in Mecca or Jerusalem. Many of the points you mention are discussed by Gibson, and others, and there are solutions to them.
Remember that a lot of Islamic history was written over 100 years after Muhammad. Just as an example, where do you think al-Aqsa mosque was, where he is said to have taken the night journey from? I know where you think it is based on later sources, but have you read what the earliest sources say? I will quote them for you:
In the Book of Raids, early Muslim historian and biographer Waqidi described Muhammad’s stay in the village of Jiranah a few miles outside Mecca. He wrote, “The Prophet arrived in Jiranah on Thursday, and remained 13 nights. He then departed Jiranah after praying at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The Prophet used to pray there whenever he came to Jiranah.”
Another early historian, Azraqi, described in his book Mecca and its Antiquities a discussion between two men named Muhammad ibn Tariq and Mujahid. Muhammad said, “Mujahid and I agreed on Jiranah, because he informed me the Prophet used to pray at the Al-Aqsa Mosque located on the shore of the river bed. The other nearby mosque, the Al-Adna Mosque, was built by a man from the Quraysh tribe.”
Another early Mecca historian, Ibn Ishaq al-Fakihi noted in his book Ancient and Modern Mecca that Muslims who wanted to perform the Umrah would first purify themselves at the neighboring villages of Tanim and Jiranah. The Al-Adna Mosque in Tanim was significant because Muhammad’s wife Aisha had purified herself there, and the Prophet himself had prayed in the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jiranah.
The above sources all indicate that the Al-Aqsa Mosque referred to by Muhammad in Quran 17:1 was the mosque in Jiranah. The famous mosque known today by the same name in Jerusalem was built almost a century later by al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 AD. Clearly, there is more to the fascinating history that the late "standard narrative".
@@theastronomer5800 can i ask where Jiranah is located? Is it in today’s Mecca or Mecaa was in Petra? Where is Masjed al Aqsa?
@@ehsankabirirahani9733 Can we agree that it was not in Jerusalem? There are numerous sahih hadiths that mention Muhammad talking about al-Aqsa, decades before it was built. They also mention the time of construction between al-Haram and al-Aqsa as 40 years, so this cannot be in Jerusalem.
The references mention that it was on a river, which we don't find near Mecca, nor near Jerusalem. Gibson suggests a place which fits the descriptions, near Petra (8km away), an old mosque on the way to Petra, with al-Adna further down, which fits the early descriptions. Search for a video called "dan gibson al-aqsa".
In 2017, historian David A. King authored a highly critical review of Gibson's Early Islamic Qiblas[1] in which he cites plagiarism, misconstruction and misunderstanding of his 1990 work on Qibla direction.[2] Gibson himself does not speak Arabic and does not have any scientific background or education. King also published a systematic review in 2018 entitled "The Petra fallacy - Early mosques do face the Sacred Kaaba in Mecca but Dan Gibson doesn't know how / Comparing historical orientations with modern directions can lead to false results".[3] King is a subject matter expert on medieval Muslim astronomy,[4] author of World-Maps for Finding the Direction and Distance to Mecca: Innovation and Tradition in Islamic Science, several articles on the Qibla, multiple articles in the Encyclopedia of Islam, was formerly professor of Near Eastern Languages and Literatures at New York University, head of Institute for the History of Science at Goethe University Frankfurt, and director of history of Islamic astronomy at the American Research Center in Egypt.
King argued that early Muslim Arabs were unable to precisely establish Qiblas when building new mosques until later mathematical developments made precision possible.[5] Further, King wrote, many variations in orientation are better accounted for by regional and local practices, imperfect geography, and folk astronomy. King noted Gibson's inadequate grasp of mathematics, citing Gibson's "spherical polygons" (p. 170) as inexplicable. King summarized his analysis of Gibson's work as an "amateurish, non-scholarly document that is both offensive to Muslims and also an insult to Muslim and Western scholarship."[5] Gibson placed a response to King on academia.edu, "Dr. King on the other hand is convinced that the sloppy qiblas actually intended to point: east, west, solstices, sunrises and so forth. I have not come across anything in Islamic religious manuscripts that support these Qiblas. But perhaps in time someone, somewhere will stumble across something that will change our understanding of Qiblas. All I have found so far, is that every Muslim expects the Qibla to point to Masjid Al Harām."[6]
If you read Dan Gibson's counter reply to David King you will feel ashamed for King and never respect him again.
On his main claim that scientific methods were not developed for accurate qibla direction at the time Gibson debunked it by pointing out the fact that Arabs travelled 1000ns of miles on trackless deserts away from Arabia and come back home safely using stars and solstice.
Arabs were able to navigate accurately to China within same periods qiblas were pointing to Petra. Such people building a structure to face a certain direction will never commit an absurd mistake by making it face an opposite direction or deviated direction.
This David King replied that Arabs were able to reach China on flying carpets .
At this point it was clear that a scholar has turned into a moron on the side of Islamic propaganda fuelled by Saudi dawa dollars.
Mohammad changed the direction. Seems like he is calling the shots. He committed idolatry by kissing the black stone so by all means sin as well 🤦♂️
64 B.C. Despite being forced to recognize Rome’s power, Petra reaches its zenith of splendor in this period-until the Roman emperor Trajan formally annexes the city in A.D. 106.
A.D. 363 Now part of the Byzantine Empire, several of Petra’s buildings are used as churches. An earthquake seriously damages many structures, and the city is gradually abandoned.
700-1096 Following the Islamic conquest, Petra becomes little more than a village. During the First Crusade, the Christian king of Jerusalem, Baldwin I, occupies Petra, now part of the barony of Karak.
Faiez Evans your a very good looking guy, but the fact is no one was present for the events recorded in any historical text, and the fact that none of it can be confirmed to be factual, discredits most of human history ... which is really disappointing, but that’s the reality!
@@camerontaylor7471 That's why this video is about archeological records and contemporary texts. History isn't scary!
The climactic change and lack of water supply doomed Petra, that was why it declined. Any conquest would have wanted a place where people could thrive.
Foxy Cinnamon Destruction of Petra’s extensive irrigation systems doomed Petra. Just like the destruction of the Great Dam of Marib ended the Kingdom of Saba.
@@allangibson8494When the water goes, the people go.
Dear DG. I sent you two emails but you did not reply. I assume you are busy. I did further research on "where is the actual location of Mecca that Prophet prayed" and I found evidence to challenge your findings. I am sure you know about the treaty of Hudaybiyah between the Prophet and the Quraish tribe leaders that were signed just outside mecca. This treaty is well documented. In the 6th year post-migration to Medina, the prophet wanted to perform Umrah. He led a group of over 1400 people without any weapons (other than swords for self-defense) and was stopped by the Quraish tribe at the town of Hudaibiyah. A peace treaty was signed here and this is well documented in both Muslims and Christian Historical accounts. The city of Hudaybiyah is located just outside the Current Mecca (about 30-40km). Since the location of Hudaibiyah is south of Medina, by virtue of the treaty and location of Hudaibiyah, we can conclude that that present-day Mecca is the Mecca that prophet Mohamed saw prayed at. The masjidil haram refers to present day mecca. Unless you have proof that can counter my point here, therefore I take it your point is erroneus . drrafick@gmail.com
I reckon where Islam initiated was Iraq where houses 🏘️ yathrib, hira, madain, bekka, not Arabia nor Petra as a result of rivalry between the offshoots of ghassanids, the vassals of the eastern romans: umayyads, and lakhmids, the vassals of sasanids: Abbasids because Islam was written in the Abbasid courts.
Bro go and check the direction of Al Masjid al Nabwi and other mosques of that time between Mecca and Petra.
..great idea.. to solve the case which direction is the actual qiblat.. masjid nabawi..one of the mosque need to be add in the actual mecca case..if its facing petra..than as what is claimed history need to be rewright..😞😞😞😞
Brothers watch AL MUDARABAH channel on yt
It has exposed dan completely
Allaahu akbar this was the most clearest of evidences 😆
Even you can see the graves of the sahaabah on their right is the direction of Makkah.
@@ayazuddinqureshi602 thanks
No actually we need to check masjids between Jerusalem and Petra. The older qibla was toward Jerusalem. Jerusalem is near to petra. So if a mosque between Mecca and Petra points towards Petra, it may actually meant to be pointed towards Jerusalem. So , before the qibla changed, we should check those mosques in between Petra and Jerusalem
This is an endlessly fascinating video. Even the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, although dating back to way before Islam, to this day faces between the two cites mentioned in this video.
Documentary filled with endless lies. No offence but the stupidity in your comment of thinking mosques were around before Islam 🤣🤣🤣
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 I don’t take offense from idiots. Some cities predate all religions and not just Islam, Damascus is one of those. As such, the Umayyad Mosque is an ancient site that once held a temple to the Roman God, Jupiter. The same site was later made into a synagogue, then a church, then, during the Umayyad period, it was made into a mosque.
PS: before you go around calling people stupid, I suggest that you be knowledgeable, cultured, and smart enough so as not to make a fool of yourself.
@@Mrmrnobodymr I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was because Mosques did not predate Islam. Yes the site at which the mosque is built predates Islam but as it was expanded in size and completely changed, a distinction must be made.
I also don't believe Damascus predates all religion. Pretty sure the Canaanites (if you're referring to this far back) were polytheistic.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 you contradict yourself wildly. When the site was expanded and changed, the prayer wall of the mosque faced exactly between the two cities of Mecca and Petra and still does so till this day. This proves the video correct and your first comment to be made of ignorance and completely irrelevant.
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Well the history also say..makkah is next to thaif...the greeny valley at that time, so u need to find this city called thoif in petra to prove it..
What,??? Where that comes from
Thoif or Thaif?
It's called Taef. You can see it on google maps to the east from Mecca.
so? what is taif/taif/thaif?
@@lancelotray a city in the Arabian peninsula. Prophet Muhammad pbuh passed through it.
We don't pray to the black rock. The black rock was placed in the mosque that Abraham built. We don't pray 'to' the Kaaba, we face that direction because God is omnipresent and any one direction is as good as another. The Kaaba was chosen as a direction because despite this principal the people needed a point of focus. Idol worship is strictly prohibited.
1:13:00 all that book burning might explain why the area where people first developed algebra was technologically stagnant for the next 1000 years.
Wow...we’re experiencing a digital book burning now
@@MelaninMagdalene yes ma'am we certainly are....and many people who can afford it are buying up print books.....because the more we entrust our "books" to kindle and such, the more chance we have of losing all our books suddenly. We are already not allowed to SAY what we want on line.....oh yes, they'd love to take our books.....and create the dark ages once again...🤦♀️
They are not interest in the worldly life,they are interest to spread the word of God,the Qur'an.to save the human to the punishment of hellfire after death.
@@nixonbayabao4613 good to know......👏🏼
@@nixonbayabao4613 Well, unfortunately there are MILLIONS of people in the middle east who live in poverty and terrible conditions. Since allah has not provided for his followers, perhaps they should have other interests to provide for themselves?
This documentary raises some interesting question. Why all these old mosques were pointing toward Petra indeed. However, Dr. Gibson raises more questions than he answers. I hope in future more experts will shed light on issue ls like where would be the source of ZamZam in Petra.
Most of the commenters below engage in childish exchange of insult and trolling. Knowledge is wasted on idiots like all good things are.
Zam Zam is in Mecca.
all historian and all muslim and all human have been seen the ZAM ZAM well.
its in Mecca.
what can we say if some one have his own fairy tales.
more then 1 lac people was in mecca on day of FATEH MECCA. Prophet speech to more then 1 lac people in city of mecca, QABBA was also there.
i dont know dr may be lost his mind due to alot of heat in the DESERT.
@Trapped in Dollaria -mohamed was not a Jew instead he claimed that he is a prophet with a new religion
-ali was a Christian before converted to Islam
-the prayer direction changed way before the prophet died
-omar did not hate Jews in fact he gave the people of jeruselum the freedom to practice their religion.
-he beat up Mohamed's daughters?never heard of that
-mohamed claimed that the Kaaba was made by Abraham and Ismael(so did the Arabs)
@Trapped in Dollaria the prayer direction changed at 624 and he was still a live untill 632.so why didn't he condemn it?
-islams belief is that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ismael for god.that is why they didn't destroy the Kaaba instead they got rid of idols around it not the Kaaba.
-mohamed's parents died when he was a child and they didn't give him away instead they died.
-he was never a Jew
@Trapped in Dollaria -I already know the idolatries used to worship their gods in the kabah
-muslims have been going to the kabah every year since the conquest of Makkah
-jeruslam is a holy site of Islam but so is Makkah as described in the Koran and the hadith's
-you didn't answer why Mohamed didn't condemn Muslims facing the kabah instead of jeruslam
@@IDK-ue1gy I have heard that kaaba was a hindu temple full of idols so muslims might be worshipping a hindu god
In order for this research to be logical, there is the need to prove how all remaining sites near the black stone got there. Because, Muslims going to Makkah for pilgrimage don't just go to circle around the Ka'abah, there are many other activities which they perform. How comes? Please create another video to prove the existence of the equivalence of all these sites near petra.
Wow! Both of you guys are really taken by this infotainment BS. Read the glorious Koran and stick with the traditions of the unlettered prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
@mohammed ilyas
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@mohammed ilyas Yeah, comparing this disbeliever's onanism to say variations of interpretations btw Ibn Kathir and Maudoodi. Bruh get a grip.
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I visited the 2 qibla masjid once. The original "Imam area" was removed and replaced by being the entrance. Those who praying that one prayer had to rotate 180 to face the current direction to Macca.
This is so misleading. We pray to Allah not the black stone. The Kaaba 🕋 is a place where prophet Adam pbuh makes his 1st sujud to allah there then prophet Ibrahim pbuh built the Kaaba. And he’s the engineer with his son prophet Ismail pbuh & angel jibril help you build the 🕋 kaaba.
@Kelly Schmunt We point to the stone so that we have a joint place. If people would face anywhere it would spark outrage and people would threaten each other out of differences. Allah made the Kaaba as the place we point to so that we have standing and joint place which is universially accepted by muslims
@Kelly Schmunt Because God wanted it that way. He made it so that we have a joint and unifying place we can pray towards. It creates unity. Anywhere you go Muslims face the kaaba there is no dispute over that. This creates a feeling of charity and unity between believers
@@ibrahimyilmaz4861 why did God want everyone to pray that way?
God is worried about which way you point? What if you can’t?
@@ceezb5629 -because it creates a sense of unity
-if you can't then you pray towards where you think it's
@@ceezb5629 Read my previous comments if you can read
Hey Muslims, to answer your doubt, watch this playlist. Mecca has been and always been the direction of prayer after Jerusalem. And the change of the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca has been made during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, not after his death, as the video claims. The playlist👇🏻
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I heavily disagree with almost everything in this. Mecca was not a huge city at that time and no one except these guys said it had farms and trees.
People did engage in trade but they use to trade the goods they buy from Yemen in Syria at a profit and the goods they buy from Syria in Yemen.
The Quran only mentions Mecca one time despite a big part of "the prophets" history being at Mecca. That alone suggests how unimportant it is to supposed Islam. Mecca is better described in the Hadiths where it describes the environment. We have more history that we can see and touch outside from Islam than Islam itself. We know of kingdoms and civilizations predating Islam yet we have nothing of Islam until the Abd Al-Malik.
The Quran only mentions Mecca one time despite a big part of "the prophets" history being at Mecca. That alone suggests how unimportant it is to supposed Islam. Mecca is better described in the Hadiths where it describes the environment. We have more history that we can see and touch outside from Islam than Islam itself. We know of kingdoms and civilizations predating Islam yet we have nothing of Islam until the Abd Al-Malik.
our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw ) peace be upon him went on hajj and umrah to Makkah and he prayed facing the "" KABAH "" in Makkah till he died peace be upon him and all his four kileafahs abu bakar (ra) umar (ra) usman (ra) ali (ra) did the same .......... correct your history sir ?????
What did they eat then sand?
@@jamiecullum5567 dates
Given the trails of Abraham as described in Genesis, it makes much more sense that the birthplace of Islam would be in what we call Petra, also Saudi Arabian laws requires archaeological research before new structures can be built and there is nothing that dates before 700AD. And if there is nothing there before 700AD, then Mecca can't be the birthplace of Islam.
no old walls no figs no olives
One thing if Ummyads and Abbasids were fighting
then:
Why Abbsid destroyed holy place of petra? why not just beat Ibn Zubair (an Ummyad) and take hold of Petra?
If Ibn Zubair moved Qibla to Mecca then why Abbasids which were his opposition chose the new place as Mecca and started a conspiracy there? why would you go affirming the claims of you enemy?
A valid response would be that they(Abbasids) should have destroyed the new place Mecca and kept the old one Petra.
and why Ummyads keep on praying towads old Petra when they themselves moved Qibla to Mecca?
zeeshan ali khan,
well said and good points in your comments.
Still doesn’t answer why some mosques pointed towards Petra.
@@ic.xc. all this proof that things are covered up, changed and corrupt show a clear picture of how islam was created
the problem is the over-emotional responses of angry muhamedans
that´s why intellectuals need to be very very careful sharing what they know about the true origins of this funny sect
Ibn Zubair's enemies were not the Abbasids. His rival was the 5th ummayad calif Abd el-Malik ibn Marwan, the guy who built the dome of the rock ... Eventually as an alternative to the shrine which is now at mecca.
Before denying mindlessly because of your beliefs, get at least your facts straight.
@psychedelic toaster This guy never set foot in Mecca, were did his studies came from ?
۞ سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَاءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ مَا وَلَّاهُمْ عَنْ قِبْلَتِهِمُ الَّتِي كَانُوا عَلَيْهَا ۚ قُلْ لِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ١٤٢وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنْتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّنْ يَنْقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ١٤٣
142. The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say: "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah ﴿prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)﴾ to which they used to face in prayer.'' Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'' 143. Thus We have made you ﴿true Muslims ـ real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways)﴾, a Wasat (just and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad ) be a witness over you. And We made the Qiblah which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad ) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e., disobey the Messenger). Indeed it was great (heavy, difficult) except for those whom Allah guided. And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allah is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind.
Changing the Qiblah @ Direction of the Prayer
Imam Al-Bukhari reported that Al-Bara' bin `Azib narrated: "Allah's Messenger offered his prayers facing Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) for sixteen or seventeen months, but he wished that he could pray facing the Ka`bah (at Makkah). The first prayer which he offered (facing the Ka`bah) was the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer in the company of some people. Then one of those who had offered that prayer with him, went out and passed by some people in a mosque who were in the bowing position (in Ruku`) during their prayers (facing Jerusalem). He addressed them saying, `By Allah, I bear witness that I have offered prayer with the Prophet facing Makkah (Ka`bah).' Hearing that, those people immediately changed their direction towards the House (Ka`bah) while still as they were (i.e., in the same bowing position). Some Muslims who offered prayer towards the previous Qiblah (Jerusalem) before it was changed towards the House (the Ka`bah in Makkah) had died or had been martyred, and we did not know what to say about them (regarding their prayers towards Jerusalem). Allah then revealed:
﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ﴾
(And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., the prayers of those Muslims were valid)) (2:143).''
Al-Bukhari collected this narration, while Muslim collected it using another chain of narrators. Muhammad bin Ishaq reported that Al-Bara' narrated: Allah's Messenger used to offer prayers towards Bayt Al-Maqdis (in Jerusalem), but would keep looking at the sky awaiting Allah's command (to change the Qiblah). Then Allah revealed:
﴿قَدْ نَرَى تَقَلُّبَ وَجْهِكَ فِي السَّمَآءِ فَلَنُوَلِّيَنَّكَ قِبْلَةً تَرْضَاهَا فَوَلِّ وَجْهَكَ شَطْرَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ﴾
(Verily, We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah).) (2:144)
A man from among the Muslims then said, "We wish we could know about those among us who died before the Qiblah was changed (i.e., towards Makkah) and also about our own prayers, that we had performed towards Bayt Al-Maqdis.'' Allah then revealed:
﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ﴾
(And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost.) (2:143)
The fools among the people, meaning the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), said, "What made them change the former Qiblah that they used to face'' Allah then revealed:
﴿سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَآءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ﴾
(The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say...)
until the end of the Ayah.
`Ali bin Abu Talhah related that Ibn `Abbas said: When Allah's Messenger migrated to Al-Madinah, Allah commanded him to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). The Jews were delighted then. Allah's Messenger faced Jerusalem for over ten months. However, he liked (to offer prayer in the direction of) Prophet Ibrahim's Qiblah (the Ka`bah in Makkah) and used to supplicate to Allah and kept looking up to the sky (awaiting Allah's command in this regard). Allah then revealed:
﴿فَوَلُّواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ شَطْرَهُ﴾
(turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction.) meaning, its direction. The Jews did not like this change and said, "What made them change the Qiblah that they used to face (meaning Jerusalem)'' Allah revealed:
﴿قُل لّلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ﴾
(Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'')
There are several other Ahadith on this subject. In summary, Allah's Messenger was commanded to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (during the prayer) and he used to offer prayer towards it in Makkah between the two corners (of Ka`bah), so that the Ka`bah would be between him and Bayt Al-Maqdis8. When the Prophet migrated to Al-Madinah, this practice was no longer possible; then Allah commanded him to offer prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, as Ibn Abbas and the majority of the scholars have stated.
Al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih that the news (of the change of Qiblah) was conveyed to some of the Ansar while they were performing the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, upon hearing that, they immediately changed their direction and faced the Ka`bah.
It is reported in the Sahihayn (Al-Bukhari Muslim) that Ibn `Umar narrated: While the people were in Quba' (Mosque) performing the Fajr (Dawn) prayer, a man came and said, "A (part of the) Qur'an was revealed tonight to Allah's Messenger and he was commanded to face the Ka`bah. Therefore, face the Ka`bah. They were facing Ash-Sham, so they turned towards the Ka`bah.
@@nassershehata9689 Lotta repetition in your post. Wish I could connect it to the video.
What .... Am I looking fool to you... I am idolater 😂😂😂
Science and facts win over old script
@@rogeramezquita5685 Seriously...
Never argue with idiots they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
So, you have no arguments.
Not a one.
@@tokyo.peking well that's what he said and you started arguing 😆 what that puts you?
@@Mansour-O-Killuminati
Are you interested in discussing about "uday" having no arguments ?
What's the point discussing about nothing !?
One thing you can't argue with are the 911 ATTACKS 😕
@@timcavazos what 911 has to do anything in here ? You are a morron
Bukhari volume 6, verse 17 does not say “Syria”. It’s says “shams”, in Jerusalem. Can you please state the source of your Hadith? Time stamp on your video @32:44
This is all ridiculous-- let’s start with Zamzam well in Mecca that is supposed to be since time of Abraham can it not be carbon dated, what about details of Hijra to Medina by Prophet Muhammad I think Gibson research is missing these great points.
What about attack of Abraha the Yemeni king attacking Mecca ?
Too many historical facts goes against his arguments.
there is a spring called Ain Musa, supposedly found by Moses
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A point worthy of praise💯
All that we can learn from such brilliant documentaries is that we should stop taking religious scriptures literally , and start focussing on real issues bothering humanities like global warming , hatred , violence , inequality etc. Debating on whose religion is better is going to lead us nowhere and we are going to be destroyed by our own childish ego.
I've already made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel for the defensive perspective. Without the acknowledgement of God, nothing is an issue.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 God has been acknowledged since thousands of year in every form or formless , but the humanity has always suffered as proved by history,
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 Thank you for the rebuttal, much appreciated,
i am sitting here and saying that's not true, why did they stop there and didn't finish the text etc,
Great explanation in your video at 7:42
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i din't know from where do you bgrin this moralities u talking abt when it comes only from religious texts
How can someone believe in mohamad meeting angles 😂
when someone says your not aloud to explore they dont want you to find the truth.. that is obvious and eveyone knows it in there heart but people have too much fear to find out the truth..
Yes
if your looking for the truth toss the koran & get the Bible.....
@@garyschultz7768 was god answering your prayers whilst on the toilet with sh@! coming out of his @ss?
@@garyschultz7768 Be careful with your words it might get someone offended
@@garyschultz7768 to know that god died or god was eating food and going to WC or to know that he was not all knowledgeable or to know that god was praying to someone else or …..
Clearly there is problem:
1)How do you explain the Pagans placing their Idols in the Kaba before the arrrival of Mohammed(SAW).
2) How to explain the attack on the Kaba by Abrahah-Al-Ashram, before the arrivalof Mohammed (SAW).
Allah is the one to accept your namaz, more over your niyat " oh creator I pray this namaz for you" so even if your not facing the kabah allah has taken steps towards your prayer so that even if a mistake was to be made 🔝🔝🔝 it'll still count
Don’t let the the disbelievers brainwashed you. You’re praying in the right direction.
@@magician476 😂😂😂😂
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الكعبة المشرفة - لماذا الدعاء نحو الكعبة المشرفة؟
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Dear Dan Gibson
You forget to mention 1 key and critical point in all of this. Something which you yourself have written about but politely left out of this video.
Why?
Because it would debunk everything you are trying to say..
In your own book The Nabataeans, Builders of Petra - you stated the following:
According to my research Petra was destroyed by an earthquake on July 9 551. In my book The Nabataeans, Builders of Petra, I wrote: "On 9 July 551, a devastating earthquake reduced most of what remained of Petra to heaps of rubble. It was never rebuilt, and soon the bishops departed and all records came to an end. This earthquake also destroyed many of the towns in the Negev. Many of these were never rebuilt." Gibson D. (2002), pp. 240-241.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH was born in 571 AD. That is 20 years after destruction of Petra as you have stated.
And yes it might not have detroyed the entire city but as you stated once again : "One would suppose that an earthquake, a siege, being conquered and retaken, was enough to destroy much of the city"
This is just another clown trying to sabotage the perfect religion and true way of life just like theyve been doing since day 1. They've literally tried everything to make Islam look bad and untrue but have failed miserably every single time. Lol
@YOUSEF lol like I said bro, just another 🤡 trying to sabotage
@YOUSEF haha......arabs were masters of using stars to navigate, of course they could align buildings, even ancient egyptians could do that without gps. Perhaps muslims today cant do what their ancestors could do yesterday.
islam ,a sham religion of control, perhaps if you had an education it would help, a follower of the pedo prophet i take it .
@YOUSEF No, he isn't. He's claiming that they had a way to point the Qibleh in the mosque towards Mecca. You don't believe that they did?
Nice! I enjoy stuff like this!!! Thank you!
Mr.Cati! Love you ! 🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱
This is the most detailed history of islam. Muslims will never question their faith.
Their is a lot of "I believe" in this video..... I wonder why?
Because that's what faith is. Faith is believing in something 🙏 ✨ 🙌
Brother taha search AL MURADABAH channel on yt.
I feel pity for dan after watching it
“Believe” , it’s not belief when you have archaeological evidence !
@@ayazuddinqureshi602 perhaps you ought to watch Gibsons responses to his critics or his more in depth videos.
@@1rage17 this has nothing to do with faith, but archaeological evidence of early qiblas.
I grew up catholic but I always wonder about other beliefs and how they came about. So many stories to hear
Well, Quran has a lot of interesting stories about Christianity. Perhaps it will change your religious perspectives totally
same i learnt so much i didnt know about Christianity but i understood i have to be careful where im getting my info from
Especially when money is involved
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Have you ever wondered how your belief came about? Richard Carrier has some very interesting explanations.
(2:115) And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
get an education ,lol
Your allah knows nothing. Repent
Thank you, Karim. And therein lies the true blessing of Islam as the most accurate direction for prayer is a straight line between one's own heart and The One, The Eternal, Self-Sufficient Master. IMHO I believe that all the rest of these debates are driven by Ego and Fear. Please hold firmly to your Faith as Allah (swt) knows your Heart. Alhamduillah.
Amazing Work Dan Gibson. I really enjoyed watching it. Thx.
Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11
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@@harriskhan7671 you expect me to open a fake youtube link?
This ‘documentary’ is based on false information and assumptions.
Please read this article:
muslimheritage.com/the-petra-fallacy/
@@jalilm.9668 face it you been lied to now grow from that knowledge
Except that he is wrong and this is why:
He almost fooled me until he started misquoting hadiths. And to my surprise his “documentary” is full of deception that most non-Muslims won’t notice. For any one that is interested you can watch this video which debunked this theory
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He's calling Arabia an amazing part of the world, As an Arabian I feel so surprised
I wish more people thought it was still amazing perhaps they would stop flooding other parts of the world where they're not welcome
1 Peter 4:11 11If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
He's also lied and misquoted every Islamic narration he quoted.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 which ones? and Jesus is the Eternal Word of G-d
@@isaiah9174 Stop talking about Jesus. You believe God was walking around in a nappy because he was incontinent. Disgusting.
To be short: it’s all about power
It's all about today's age which is full of lies. Quran it self says Mecca had no water and food While this guy claims Quran says it was cultivated.
@@qinshihuang7576 whats your point?
@@Azzurri-z5j my point is Allah says in Quran Surah Ibrahim while telling the story of Abraham that "Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful". While he claims in this documentary that according to Quran they were settled in a cultivated valley which is Petra. But in reality Quran gives us a different story.
@@Azzurri-z5j why was fruit available in Mecca because the Quraish tribe were merchants. And Mecca is also the place where most people use to come after escaping the Roman empire. A slave and also the companion of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) named Suhayb Ar Rumi is a one such example. If he escaped to Petra I think he should've been dead and even Islam should've been crushed by the Roman Emperor.
This video is made to *DESTROY* Islamic History..
The point in this research is that *the original Qibla is Petra,* not Mecca & not Al Aqsa with Evidence : There are several Old Mosques facing their Qibla to Petra (Data Defect)
IN FACT, to judge whether Mecca is now in accordance with the Qur'an or not, it is Very Very Easy :
*1. Is there a tomb of the prophet Abraham near the Kaaba ?*
*2. Is there a spring of Zam-Zam whose water never runs out ? (in Petra there is none)*
Very Very Easy. *Don't Be Fooled.*
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id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka%27bah
According to Lisān al-'Arab of Ibn Manẓūr, the site of the Kaaba and its surroundings was named Bakkah due to crowding and congestion of people in the area. The Arabic verb bakka (بَكَّ), with double "k", means to crowd like in a bazaar. This is not to be confused with another unrelated Arabic verb bakā (بَكَىٰ) (single k) which is the past tense of yabkī (يَبْكِي), to cry. It could be good if you know arabic when you investigate.
Regardless, there was no evidence of any city where current day Mecca is fitting the description of the city in Islam. No trees, fertile fields, or any archaeological evidence there was any city off the trade route, even on ancient Arabian maps. Where all the maps in Arabia changed? How did mecca become a desert instead of the fertile fields the Quran describes ?
@35:00 in: In Hebrew, depending on its spelling and the slight change in pronunciation by that, BEKA can mean either weeping or crack, and as follows: Valley. Locally, the lower Jordan valley is called Ha Beka. From the West, Petra can only be entered through a crack in the rock formation surrounding it.
And the stream "weeps" though the crack. Double entendre ftw
I AM The Daughter Of Heavenly Hosts
You probably smoke alotta “Bekka” then 🤷🏻♂️
@@dennissettlemyre917 Do I know you?
@@ross3818 தி,
Very intersting. I think that this theory should be looked into more deeply.
Hahaha fake 🤣🤣 sad
The cultural and political implications of this being even partially true would be earth-shattering! It would cause 1000 years of Islamic history to be questioned. Was this just a mistake in interpretation, or was it a lie told deliberately to create a geopolitical narrative? Very interesting theory.
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This ‘documentary’ is based on false information and assumptions.
Please read this article:
muslimheritage.com/the-petra-fallacy/
@@m.woodsrobinson9244well there are many educated Muslims that have raised questions on so many shortcomings of research in the documentary that it actually seems deliberate
Explain the cave of Hira / well of Zam Zam Masjid Qblatain Safa and Marwa / and Arafat Mina What about the compass point which you cannot explain away The cave of Hira .You mention pre Islamic era where was the well of Zam Zam when Abraham (PBOH)left his wife and son and how did the Kaaba appear when specific mention is made of it being erected by Abraham (PBOH) We know about pagan Arabs and how this was destroyed by the prophet of Islam
It is interesting to note that the Arabic word for well and cistern are the same. So while most
Muslims believe Zamzam was a well, there is also a possibility that it was a cistern, with large
doors across the entrance. Tabari tells us that in 66 AH men “broke the wooden bolts (a`wdd)
of Zamzam, went inside.” It seems that ZamZam was either in a building, or else it was a
cistern with a doorway across the entrance. Both of which Petra has proven to be grander and more divine then that of Meca's earlier period.
@@darkstars101 sahih bukhari tells us that when hajra was searching for water in safa and marwa the Gabriel came and asked what do you want, she said water,i want water for my child,then he hit in the ground.water was coming from the well continuously. She set a wall but the water didn't stop then she said JamJam(stop stop)
This is a highly explosive documentary. Western genius is helping the Muslim world to uncover the truth about Islam and its Prophet. I imagine Muslims would be very reluctant to accept these new studies and continue defending their traditional Islamic narrative. Great film! Hats off to the genius of the western mind!
Even though that I am a Christian, knowing different religions is good.
It is quite funny that you feel the need to make this observation.
@@annaandrea8320And why is that funny at all?
I don't know if I missed it, but I didn't find Quba Mosque quote in the whole video which was the first mosque built. I think its direction would be the original Qiblah
Anyway, this is a really interesting documentary. thanks for the 30 years of your life Dan
Damn, 30 years Man!
jzakallah
30 years of waste ...🤣🤣
It is not wasted but intelligently invested to get a lots of money from the anti Muslim and anti religious groups to print his lies ..this is how the western media usually works on Fake News
@@Glashutte1900 rightly said thank you
A wasted time of his life.
Historical fact, when the Cordoba Mosque was built, there was a small church nearby. If the entire building is to be made facing Mecca, then the church must be demolished.
Abdurrahman I or Abdurrahman Ad-Dakil did not want that. He left the church where it was. From the outside the mosque building is not straight towards Mecca, but the mihrab and rows inside still face the Qibla.
The amount of stupidity in this video.
Is there the zamzam well?
Where are first mosques facing, including codoba mosque cathedral?
If abbasid made mistake, why didn't emirate of crdoba, Morocco and muslims living in ethiopia never showed?
If it was sunni, then why are shias also following mistake?
Petra was very near the Roman empire and if you heard about the early muslim conquest, you would know that it wasn't coming from Petra.
As well, the prophet marching Southward to mecca and petra is northward from Medina
How mountainous is mecca and populous unlike Petra
And muslims who sacrificed their lives for the expansion, couldn't they do the same to save their qibla?
Isn't there any war happened for this? Even some Muslims rebelled when some qurans were burnt, why did they ignore the more sacred qibla?
And in the quran it says that the region had no oasis, mecca never had but petra had at that time.
And why would thwy change it in the first place?
How stupid is the person who made this documentary lol 😂
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
(Soorah Tawbah 9:32)
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-
not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
Muhammad is accursed
@@AlexKomnenosIndeed, the prophet muhammad PBBUH teachings are the same as the undistorted incorrupted gospel
Brothers,
Don't be surprised by minor deviation in the direction of the qiblah in early mosques in Islam as people in that era did not have acurate ways of finding the exact direction of qiblah. Even if you are off by few degress and than draw the line of qiblah direction form the mosque to Makkah it will look like a great deviation. Thats' the reason Prophet MUhammad PBUH said :
Ahmad said: Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, and a small deviation from the qiblah does not matter, but he has to try to get it right as much as possible. This was also the view of Abu Haneefah. This view is based on the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. End quote.
In al-Muwatta’ of Imam Maalik (4600 it is narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah if you face the direction of the House.”
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh al-‘Umdah (2/539): Al-Athram narrated that ‘Umar, ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whatever is between the east and west is qiblah.” And it was narrated from ‘Uthmaan that he said: “How can a man make a mistake with regard to his prayer when whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, so long as he does not face the east deliberately?” End quote.
You’re not giving them enough credit. They knew exactly what they were doing as they had mastered mathematics, astronomy, etc.
11:35 the actual statement was not about grass but thorns. This is taken out of context completely and was about the natural thorns of Makkah, recited in poetry when the migrants went to Madinah when they missed the dry arid climate of Makkah
All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA!
1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa!
2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2!
3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36).
4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea.
5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.!
6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson
www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
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2 - No such thing, since it was written after mr. Muhammeds death.
3 - Wrong - Byzantine only banned idols hundred of years later.
4+5 - Doesn't really matter. The people who adopt it makes the rules and sets the language.
6 - Interesting read
@@SKeeetcher thank you.... @IMan is an idiot...
Well, you have certainly informed me of a lot of Islamic history. There is so much to mull over in this documentary, and you make a decent case, but I can't say if your theory is correct or not, as I am, as yet, ill-informed on the subject.
@Juan But then I shall fall from paradise.
@@Peak_Stone😂😂😂😂
I found the answer.. it's in the Qurán, There was a different location as a test to see who will follow the prophet.. Some American wrongly joined a Quranist cult, then left it and studied Islam properly, he learned how to pray and that there was a different location.. Here is where he mentions it ua-cam.com/video/pnkLvJHi5h8/v-deo.html start at timestamp 40 minutes
One problem here...
*Not Enough Ads!* 🤬
Ads...? I see no ads.... Maybe because I use AdBlock Plus....
This video was posted through a distributor. Someone might be making money, but I have yet to see a single penny from it, even though I commissioned it.
@@DanGibsonFilms - you could be the next Salman Rushdie..... be careful
those are liers we muslim can pray i every diriction god is every where if we dont really know where our diriction is than we chose to pray in which dirictoin we want to pray. Allah is above all so allah is everywhere
I suggest that you use a UA-cam downloader.
He said the Quran doesn't mention about black rock (kaaba) but it does in the chapter the elephant. The chapter was dedicated to kaaba only
did the Jordan River represent?
The Jordan River has since biblical times been imbued with powerful symbolic meanings: it is a boundary and a crossing point, a metaphor for spiritual rebirth and salvation, and a source of holy water. But the river's symbolic significance became even more layered in the 20th century.
Yes! It is probably one of the most famous rivers on the planet of earth - despite its historically and relatively small actual political significance!
Even though it during certain specific instances in history has had some level of importance as political border, especially ever since the birth and establishment of all of the three 'Abrahamitic religions', it never the less didn't really get the indisputabel political importance that it has today before the mid 20th century. Beginning with the carving up of the former Ottoman Empire - and especially so the (re-?) establishment of the modern nation-state of Israel. Never the less, despite its religious and symbolic meaning and repute that is so firmly grounded and found within all of the tree greatest religions as well as its later political importance - I believe it in our days have been trumped by its importance as a mere natural resource...
Materialism and capitalism trumps everything - at least in the end, and sooner or later. Wars will from now on probably not be fought for a desire for gold, wealth or 'even' political religious or ideological reasons, but more as a seeming necessity - to 'win' vital resources such as water and rich farm-land....back to the Viking Age, but with Nuclear Arsenals instead of swords.
Unfortunately.....
as long as devotees intention is to please God by preying in a certain direction weather they were deceived or not God will make it right because there intention was pure
More then that stone (silica and carbon) stores information like modern data saving devices. So God will actually know and be able to see who's been and every intention literally.
How many times their good intentions were answered by God
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@@IndianNik-y5g
Approximately, zero...
As for the hypothetical question posed; assuming god exists & it's the Abrahamic god from the torah; then the evidence Indisputably proves that such a god world NOT care what your motives are & would for all eternity, viciously torture you & any associated to you, for the fact he didn't make you perfect.
While I certainly don't care & I think that any entity that might care of such trivialities, is invariably not worthy of being worshiped or viewed as a god.
@@adambartlett114 That is a misconception people have, it is actually eternal life or eternal death, not eternal life in joy or eternal life in conscious torment. There are a few verses that are used to twist the truth concerning it. The point is, for those who reject God, they eternally will die, the death they face will lead to the eternal consequence of unconsciousness, never to experience life again.
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Here's a short one for you, if you change your mind and are curious, but literally all the verses used to believe that view of eternal torment, if you do the research on them, can be explained, people just twist the scriptures like Peter warned us would happen in 2 Peter 3:15-16. Hope you come to a knowledge of the truth, God loves you, and he has no pleasure in the death of any of us wicked, but rather that we would turn from our sin, to him Ezekiel 33:11.
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The destruction of heritage sites associated with early Islam is an ongoing phenomenon that has occurred mainly in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, particularly around the two holiest cities of Islam, Mecca and Medina.[1] The demolition has focused on mosques, burial sites, homes and historical locations associated with the Islamic prophet Muhammad, his companions, and many of the founding personalities of early Islamic history by the Saudi government.[1][2] In Saudi Arabia, many of the demolitions have officially been part of the continued expansion of the Masjid al-Haram at Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina and their auxiliary service facilities in order to accommodate the ever-increasing number of Muslims performing the pilgrimage (hajj).[3]
fascinating work brother!
Petra was in Arabia Petraea also known as Rome's Arabian Province .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Petraea
and was under Byzantine Empire at the time of prophet Muhammed.
And what about Theophanes the Confessor said ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophanes_the_Confessor
Theophanes' part of the chronicle covered events of Early Muslim conquests that happened in Arabia Petraea and the Arabs came from a village called Mouchea "Mecca"
Chronicle of Theophanes the Confessor , Oxford 1997
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You can read what happened from his book
Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar.
Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious?
- “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century.
- Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation.
- Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that.
- Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…).
- The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home.
- He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history.
I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉
Good one with Huge respect
I've made a rebuttal to this documentary, if you're interested in the defensive side.
Documentary was well-made, but is made with confirmation bias. There are plenty of historical accounts that were never mentioned in this program, like the city of Medina and the Zam-Zam Well, which was never covered, yet its significant could not be set aside. Regardless, I do not see why Muslims should feel 'challenged' by Dan's statements - their Faiths have been challenged in many forms yet persists.
Exactly, he has a conclusion and goes back to find evidence. I personally don't feel "challenged" by this at all, just kind of humored at the theory.
@@syed2194 It is much more then a humorous and bias theory given the fact that all early quibla walls faced precisely in the direction of Petra. It seems unlikely that this direction so important to the spirituality of every muslim throughout history would be built into ancient sites accidentally pointing to one geographic location, and coincidentally one so mysterious and obviously important as Petra.
@@thunderbugcreative7778 All early masjids? Nope, only the handful he showed pointed in the general vicinity and even then they don't triangulate exactly to Petra.
@@syed2194 I've got to say that I'm a non believer, an atheist, and the bias of the guy is obvious to me. I'm not sure what he's specifically trying to achieve with this, but a lot of this documentary seems like he's also trying to keep himself convinced.
@@rogertheshrubber2551 If I were to guess, it would probably be to produce this documentary. You have "documentaries" like Ancient Aliens out there that bring in millions in revenue, so this does seem a little more tame than that.
Those who Satan took for a ride will always question the credibility of the religion of Abraham.
A great example of logical deduction using cross-referencing of historical records, oral traditions and science!
All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA!
1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa!
2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2!
3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36).
4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea.
5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.!
6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson
www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
Then you Christians don't know where Jerusalem is!
This is no logical deduction. But selective and biased presentation of facts for his arguments. This is not a documentary but really shameful attempt for his own agenda.
This ‘documentary’ is based on false information and assumptions.
Please read this article:
muslimheritage.com/the-petra-fallacy/
How he gave you summaries and footnotes?
@@jalilm.9668 Yes.
The author needs to adjust his translation to correspond exactly to the Arabic, for example in Minute 18:20 he translated "Masjid Al-Haram" as "Forbidden gathering place", which is totally wrong.
Maybe he is doing it out of hatred of the religion or else to depict it as inferior to what he believes.
Ur mad ur prophet is false lol
The historical account may be revealing and is in no doubt compelling on the basis of the narrative. In my view as a Muslim l continue to pray in the direction as l have for years accepted. I do believe that my intention governs my actions and l sincerely accept that my prayers made sincerely will be accepted. Allah swa knows best and I believe that all my actions are judged by my intentions.
Why don't you check out the rebuttal to this documentary on my channel. Feel free to watch it if you wish to get the other side of the story. Then you can fairly critique.
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@@theguidancecounsellor2948 u
Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar.
Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious?
- “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century.
- Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation.
- Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that.
- Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…).
- The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home.
- He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history.
I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉
Thanks for your well informed corrections , unfortunately your response is not getting it’s dues, nevertheless as Allah states in the Quran , “majority of them don’t know” and “majority of them don’t believe” , Being in the majority usually not a good sign. Keep educating!
وَلِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّوا فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ
Surah al-Baqarah
115. To Allah belong the East and the West. Whichever way you turn, there is Allah’s presence. Allah is Omnipresent and Omniscient.
What a joke...there are generations of Qur'an memorizers that lived in Mecca all the way back to the Prophet...Archeology? How about the well of Zamzam that is there and has been there for thousands of years. It's provided water the city and is bottled for sale to everyone in the world. So clearly, there was resources sufficient for people and trees. 🌳 🌲 🌴. Archeology has not been well established in the city so why is it such a surprise that there's little in the Archeological record!? The ka'bah, is another well known Archeological proof. It's been there and rebuilt upon its original foundation established be Abraham. It wasn't well known to Europeans because it was small and insignificant to them. The proofs are clear to anyone with a logical mind and just a little bit of knowledge. This so called scholar twisted the facts.
Jazaak Allaahu khayran my dear brother Justin Jones. May Allaah The Merciful Allmighty Give you the reward and His Eternal Forgiveness
@@العبدالفقيرللهعزوجل آمين و إياك
If there is water source underground then why would the Saudi government bring sea water filtered to feed people in Mecca. Why to invest so much and bring sea water when you have water source with you. There are no archeological findings in Mecca meaning nobody lived there until 9th century. Archeological evidence is a big thing to believe something. It's important to question things rather than being blind .
@@ctaproductions2272 What nonsense. Well, if you questioned enough, as you say that you should, you would find that Saudi Arabia uses desalination plants for half of its water. That's for the whole country, not Mecca. It's a supplement because of the population. Use some common sense please.
This channel doesn’t understand that almost every mosque we pray in doesn’t need to have a 100% straight line to Kaaba. Some mosque in recent days updates their shaf guiding line if they want more accuracy for their religious practice preference, with the help of compass or when the sun is straight above the Kaaba, so the new shaf line became different with the mosque wall layout. What’s the point of having 100% accurate in the first place if in only one year the earth crust beneath us moving some centimeters and alter the direction with a significant degree. There’s no problem at all with the qibla, we actually allowed to pray at any direction, the only important thing is the pray itself. If this man is historian, then why some other historian abroad criticized the Saudi government for destroying historical place dating back to the prophet age, he looks like a paid actor for this content :D
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Also this video had some forced acting, funny animation, some weird performance, and weakened moslem figure. It’s like watching movie produced by cheap studio …
I've already made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel to show the defensive perspective. Feel free to watch.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 thank's bro, I'll check it soon 👍
Getting a bit too heated here.
And where is your prove for that, if you carefully study all this history of Islam ☪️ it clearly tells Muhammed and Islam has nothing to do with God of Abraham but about politics and paganism there nothing about God in this whole history of Islam ☪️
@@godsservant4229 What have you been smoking?