WHERE DID ISLAM ORIGINATE: MECCA OR PETRA? | THE SACRED CITY | Full DOCUMENTARY
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- Canadian historian Dan Gibson has uncovered startling new archaeological evidence that Mecca was not the original Holy City of Islam. Petra, by contrast with Mecca, was a major trade centre from early on, and fits all the geographical descriptions in the traditional histories.
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I think this is a pretty strong case as the description of "Mecca" in the Quran was baffling given the state of it now and having no archeological record prior to Islam. "Mecca" is described as being:
-In a Valley, with mountains overlooking the Kaa'ba
-With a stream (not a well, actual running water)
-With fields, trees, fruit, and loam
-A center of trade
Mecca is a desert wasteland and as shown in this documentary, has no archeological or botanical history. There isn't even a dried out stream bed to show for. Looking over the Qiblas myself, I think this is a pretty strong case for Petra being the original place of worship.
Sam Gerrans also adopts this position, based on his work on the Qur'an, which i must say must have taken his a lot of time.
And especially with the God protocol, the fact that God destroys the people when they deny a messenger from among themselves.
The fact that Petra was destroyed is evidence precisely to the strength of the Qur'an as its claim of being a revelation from God.
Which is funny since many Christians don't see this... and think somehow this proves their sect lol...
Well, scripture always said it, believers are few, and Trinitarians and Sunnis are the majority... 2+2=4
@@Gabriel-ServantOfAllah Yeah the Submitter-Groveler-TETRADIANS . . . *Qur'an 53:19-21* "Have you considered al-Lat and al-‘Uzza? And Manat, the third one, the other? Are you to have the males, and He the females?"
@@Gabriel-ServantOfAllah Why do muslims attack Christianity when they defend islam?
@@Gabriel-ServantOfAllah The Qur’an describes Mecca as a non-agricultural area Our Lord, indeed I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So fill hearts among the people with inclination toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they may be grateful. (37)
@@Vllili That's a good point.
Altough be aware that Dan Gibson took also support of the collections of ahadith describing the place as cultivated...
I don't use this but just take it into consideration.
I do want to know the truth, although i don't see this as essential for salvation for other issues.
Mainly the fact that we are confirmed that the direction, even if one was to imagine it referred to what people understand today (i don't, i think it meant a place to head forward to from wherever you are, and gather there which makes much more sense and also explains the "make your homes qibla" that Musa alaihi salam was told to tell to the children of Israel in Egypt)
For your information, some suggest the true belly of Makkah and Bakkah were actually on the south, although i haven't checked the evidences for that yet.
God knows best tbh, may he guide us to the correct understanding.
رَّبَّنَآ إِنِّىٓ أَسْكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِى بِوَادٍ غَيْرِ ذِى زَرْعٍ عِندَ بَيْتِكَ ٱلْمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ فَٱجْعَلْ أَفْـِٔدَةً مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ تَهْوِىٓ إِلَيْهِمْ وَٱرْزُقْهُم مِّنَ ٱلثَّمَرَٰتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَشْكُرُونَ
“Our Lord: I have settled some of my progeny in an uncultivated valley by Thy inviolable house, our Lord, that they uphold the duty/adherence; so make Thou hearts among men incline towards them, and provide Thou them some fruits, that they might be grateful.
(14:37)
Anyways, let us all keep researching, peace be upon you, wherever Masjid al Haram was...
I think every Muslim should watch this documentary. Instead of criticizing the points mentioned , please do some research.
They can't with heads buried in sand.
If muslims were watching that, they would stop being muslims, but they won`t watch.
They dont have freedom.
@@Hartchell There is NO word "freedom" in Arabic.
I believed that Islam is the true religion in the world, but Arabian Muslims are fake because they are managed by the christian popes of Rome.
I watched this presentation some time ago and it reminded me of a book by Sr Richard Burton, an Englishman, written in the 1800s. He was fluent in Arabic and studied Islam. He impersonated a Muslim and made the pilgrimage to mecca. He noted that the geography of mecca in the Koran didn't correspond in any way to that of mecca in Arabia. This would explain why.
People have abandoned the Qur'an.
Even tho that was the guidance God revealed, unlike the cannons of narrations made up later on...
I say this both to my closer people who claim to believe in the Qur'an, aswell as the ones who don't believe in it.
Altough, God knows best who are closer to be believers.
Sometimes some religious people are hypocritical, while others may not know better but have purer intention.
I was an agnostic, and man when i discovered the Qur'an, i couldn't disbelieve in it.
And i got in the Sunni sect, i thought that was the correct thing to do, but now i clearly see that the sects are not following the books.
The same which happened to Christians and the Bible happened to the people who claim to follow the Qur'an...
In the end of the day, this is a test, to see the people who go against the majority upholding the truth, and i want to be of those.
If you are interested, i recommend you the work of Sam Gerrans, he also adopts the Petra thesis and i think he has some excellent work.
Salutations from Spain
@owncraticpath The Scriptures are far more reliable than the Quran. Do you realize in the 1st 100 years of Christ's death there was 5000 greek writings. Do you know that these writings were sent to different parts of the world? On top of that these writings were not written in 3rd person and there's no discrepancies of where the stories took place unlike the Quran. So it's impossible that the Bible was rewritten over the years like unbelievers claim because the same Scripture that appeared in Rome were also in Ethiopian, Greece, Egypt, Israel, Syria and have not changed 2000 years later! These places were also too far apart and these churches didn't even get along (or didn't agree with certain practices) to take part in such a conspiracy!!
@@ebozion32 You don't know Biblical history if you claim that lol.
You have Matthew change dialogues from Mark, literally changing the whole meaning...
You have contradictions in today's version... and you call that reliable?
Honestly you guys have no shame.
The Qur'an is impecable, all the "issues" are honestly quite few, compared to the Bible we have literally no issues...
And this is attested by historians, Van Putten for instance, he gets deep in this, and i remember him being interviewed by a Christian, wanting to find major faults in the Qur'an, and i loved when Van Putten got into Bible and destroyed it, aka, like saying "Yeah you guys are no one to speak about this"
Now, as a believer, i don't take happiness in this, i believe in the Gospel, and it would be cool to know 100% something is all the Gospel...
The nature of the Gospel tho seems to be complex, as if it has been recorded in many "gospels", so it's scattered...
It seems as if the commentery of the writters on the side only make things worst.
Since each one has his agenda, and John is the craziests, altough to give it credit, John also has most of my favourite muslim statements made by Jesus, I on my own can do nothing and stuff like that...
So, who knows, perhaps it is gospel, it also has the prediction of the holy spirit coming back, and it seems that the Qur'an references this.
The good about that is that then it would imply that the spirit of truth, through the Qur'an will "guide you to all truth" as Jesus says...
And i think it's fair to say that the Qur'an summarizes all previous scripture and finishes many polemics that both j3wish and christian sects still have today because of their denial of God's revelations...
Aka choosing to be blind on purpose.
The nature of Jesus for instance...
How much money are some channels making by making up stories about Jesus and aliens...
LIke you got every kind of narration about him, why? because people don't know.
The Qur'an sets Jesus to be who he was, a messenger like other messengers who came before...
Boom, thousands of issues solved.
The truth is simple.
God is one.
@@ebozion32 I mean, you have diverse readings of the Fathers prayers.
We have in Al Fatiha also the Maliki and Maaliki.
King vs Owner.
So i wonder, how do we solve our issues?
What I AM against is double standarts.
If i criticise your Bible, i want it not to happen to me, and if it does, i want to have a valid excuse.
Now, we don't have issues with books.
You claim they are preserved?
Then why do some churches have 81 books and others 66?
Like that is big.
We don't have such issues with the Qur'an.
The max we have is the Rashad Khalifa thing.
In case you want to know.
That's the closer you get, 2 verses, whereas whole books some of you deem fabrications and others valid scripture inspired by God....
A quamtum leap from the Qur'an to the Bible if you ask me.
Now, on terms of basics, the Qur'an is obviously more clear.
In terms of practice, you don't find such incongruencies.
On the Bible tho, you got books with literal opposed beliefs... like the ones from Paul and "James" altough they say it's fabricated, which doesn't halp if so...
With the Qur'an i know God is one, no doubt, then if i do good God willing i go to paradise.
With your Bible, you also get this notion, but a lot of confusing, side kind of stuff like a prophet being martyred (which was not a new thing anyways) now is the most important thing ever....
Something which i can't factcheck, because it happened 2000 years ago... something which is NOT intuitive, AT ALL...
Is now my basis of salvation?
Please use logic, reason...
The Qur'an only calls us to use reason and the intuition God gave us...
How can you even compare the two...
And sure, part of the Bible is revelation, from God.
I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about why you prefer a tarnished scripture before the Qur'an which reminds and clarifies it...
Isn't it purely arbitrarely, based on your emotions perhaps?
Perhaps you should watch these kind of videos but on your own beliefs, i'm sure there are many videos about the real tomb of Christ, and how today's one is chosen arbitrarely... or many other issues... with the same evidence or more...
Oh... you don't click those? Scared?
Only clicking the ones you like...
If i'm mistaken, my apologies, if i'm correct, then i'm not saying this to you in play, rather perhaps this is a reminder which benefits you, that would make me glad if that was to be the case.
Otherwise, i win nothing by arguing and you believing or not... God knows best
Salutations
@@ebozion32 yes. You are absolutely correct.
Thanks!
I have read many comments made by some defending Islam here and I see people who think their faith must remain unchecked. If I were them, I would take every point raised by Dan Gibson and research it and gun for truthful conclusions, because God doesn't lie, doesn't support lies, neither does He work magic to back up beliefs.
That's true.
Altough tbh, if one reads the Qur'an, especially 9:28, it doesn't seem as if we lose anything with this.
I think Petra being the place the Prophet was sent to warn actually is evidence for the Qur'an being from God.
Because they were destroyed for denying it, that is why Petra today is desolate.
The same happened with Jesus and the 2nd temple.
This is the procedure of God, and it does not change.
Every time the majority reject a messenger from among themselves, he rescues the believers and destroys the deniers.
So again, this to me is good, praise be to God.
What sectarians do now, is their own thing.
I take Qur'an alone for guideance, they got an issue with that because they take Persian made books also for religion, often superceding the Qur'an.
I recommend you the channel of Sam Gerrans on this.
We believe that we are like Unitarian Christians and Karaite J3ws...
Of course God knows best, and he named us submitting, or of those in peace with him.
So i like to call myself what God called us.
Salutations.
Religion is a dangerous thing because it has to do with personal faith mostly. It is like an idea that must be defended at all costs for most people. Few people humbly ask God for guidance on how to really serve Him or relate with Him, they depend on someone else's revelation and relationship to serve God.
God doesn’t lie but Allah can. Allah can’t be god but Satan
As written in the Quran "Bring your proof, if you are truthful.”
@@Gabriel-ServantOfAllah Aha! See. _Submission_ didn't lose it's paganism, despite Mr. Caveman's blotched efforts in abrogating it. Submitters still worship a black rock IDOL and the Moon God, father of Al-lat, Al-uzza (both named after their Father) and Manat. FYI Unitarians believe in Peace and Progress . . . NOT Violence and Voodoo.
This is the documentary I was wishing to find, as late as yesterday. THANKS A LOT!
you set that wine and swine down as you worship paul?
When as a young person its rammed down your throat day an night you have no choice but to believe unless you do your homework
Islam is open to answer all questions, it's the church who ask you not to questions, go and ask the priest, his answer will be this is believe, no questions should be asked...
That's a lie. 2, 108 and 5, 101. And they threaten to kill you when you want to leave. @@fatima-wd6zl
@@fatima-wd6zl lol You literally described Islam. Please, when was the last time you challenged any Imam? I'm not Christian, but that's the biggest lie you've ever said. Every Islamic country has Blasphemy laws where you can't question the Quran.
@fatima-wd6zl Fatima, sorry girl, your very wrong. Mo mo's teachings are directly from the devil, the one he met in the cave. He even says that the bible is true and to understand the Quran you need to take parts from the bible. Jesus can't possibly be a muslim as he calls the creator 'father' not Allah or God on it's own. Allah can metaphysically not exist in the paradox of Islam due to how he operates (the devil) please do your due diligence before making such remarks. Jesus christ of Nazereth is the only way.
@@Ak-yw9kfignorance is a disease. Learn the difference between asking questions for knowledge and blasphemy. These are two different things. Don’t be silly.
I saw a documentary about 6-8 years ago that showed the earliest known mosques were built facing Petra.
More like faced jerusalam
Early mosques built without definite direction.
Early mosques built without definite direction.
Once bastard always bastard like check your DNA
Do you remember the name?
Fascinating documentary video!
Excellent video and excellent knowledge ...
Very persuasive utube...thank you ..
I enjoyed listening to this documentary.
Well done Dr Gibson.
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📖 Quran Surah Aal-E-Imran, 3:96)
✨️And say, 'Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed, falsehood is [by nature], ever bound to perish✨️
📖 Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:81)
✨️It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it✨️
📖 Quran, Surah As-Saff (61:9)
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Yemen extended to Madeena,,prophet Mohammed was Shami but his mother was Yemeni and her family protected him from the shamis makes a lot of sense…also no evidence in Mecca that it has been a worship place for thousands of years…where are the monuments ? Idol worshipers loved to build great structures…don’t see it in Saudi Arabia…it’s fake
Yemen didn't exited back then what your talking about, the tribe of Qahtani that is the mother tribe were all arabs originated from was from the territory of nowadays Yemen which expanded to all the Arabian peninsula territory to north also founding the nabatean empire. All arabs belongs to the Qathani tribe that is genetically confirmed.
Islam is 50% Greek philosophy 20% Hebrew theology and 30% arab nationalism
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Cristianety 60%mitrea idol worship,20%hebrow theology,10homosexual,pedofil prist hood,10%open idea how took mony from belivers.
Was he there himself ?
You’re missing lots of other pegan “religions” it pulled from. Zoroastrian, Sabannas and many many more
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No man that's totally messed up that's the world yashua in aramaic isho (ܝܫܘܥ) that looks like muhammad ( محمد ) to people that don't know how to read is not the same letters and that script is not the equal. The cross is a roman symbol coming from celtic symbolism that was used long before christainity and was adapted by the roman empire even after christianity for symbolize jesus martyrdom that's why in the roman regions of Syria they use that inspirations in imperial cursive aramaic with the symbol of the cross. And the coins that cross means nothing it was a symbol associate with the roman empire of that time not the religion.
Also muhammad is not jesus in the quran, it's two different people. All names have a menaing the praised one is a name not a nickname of some type. Jesus also has a similar name menaing "yah saves", Jesus is mentioned in the quran as Isa ( عيسى ) as a distinct prophet from muhammad, which is not the protagonist of the quran obviously the quran is intended as a clarification of precedent misconceptions that resume the importance of monotheism in primis, which is the argument on the quran about surah Maryam where there's the narration of the story of Maryam and Jesus. Therefore there is literally no proof that muhammad was a name referred to jesus at all and it makes no sense as everyone knows muhammad to be someone else from jesus .
The Ka'bah 🕋 as the First House of Worship 🕌
✨️Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) - blessed and a guidance for the worlds✨️
📖 Quran Surah Aal-E-Imran, 3:96)
✨️And say, 'Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed, falsehood is [by nature], ever bound to perish✨️
📖 Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:81)
✨️It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it✨️
📖 Quran, Surah As-Saff (61:9)
Alhamdulillah 2 Billion believers and fastest growing religion in the world 🌎 💖💝💞💐📜😄
An excellent documentary. Very well researched.
Great work Mr. Gibson. The preponderance of the evidence favors that the "The Forbidden City" was Petra and that Becca was the original Qibla direction and the Abbasids changed it to Mecca where the Black Rock had been moved to.
Peace be upon you... This video contains theories that lack evidences and d documentation sources. .Ibrahim Jordan
@@imfz4444
I just received Dan Gibson's latest book "Let the Stones Speak." It is very well documented. Again I think the preponderance of the archaeology, historical records, the timeline of events and the lack of archeological evidence at Mecca almost conclusively support Dan Gibson's findings. Will it change the minds of many Mohammadans, probably not. But for me I always seek reality above the traditions of men. A good example of this is that the traditional Mt. Sinai is not in the Sinai Peninsula, but is in Median that is today in northwest Saudia Arabia.
Make sense. I'm more inclined to believe Dan Gibson is correct.
@@imfz4444 there never was mecca south before islam was born 8th century
@@imfz4444your opinion? Save it!
As an ex-Muslim, I don't know where Islam comes from, or whether a person named Muhammad is a true historical figure or a fictional one, but I know that is the world's biggest crisis from about 1400 years ago to today!
How many Rakats in wudu?
Lack of knowledge lead to ignorance.
Hasbara 102 flunky/Hindutva alert
@@WestCoastMuzzy does it matter? when nonsense is followed by millions?
The most radical and intolerant force on the globe
Simply wow! Dan , the more i listen, the more I am impress , you did your homework really well. Hopefully Muslims scholars will listen to you but its difficult to break a rock headed people , they will believe what they wanted to believe .
Yeah, just like wot you do!
Wow. Simply wow that you fall for this Israeli crap.
Because without lies, islam dies
@sony5244
Like another one very like it, if they BELIEVE THE FACTS, then
THEY HAVE NOTHING, including NO INHERENT "RIGHT" to enslave the world and call it "Mercy".
And look at
BLACKROCK
today!
The world economy is leveled.
And what BR doesn't own, that other one does.
Semoga kamu percaya juga bahwa Allah Tuhan Yang Esa Nabi muhammad saw sebagai penutup utusanNya. Tapi mungkin hatimu sudah membatu karang jadi sulit tuk diyakinkan
Honestly,what a cult,they read about Muhammad in the Qur'an and ignore the truth.without lies Islam dies.
All religion is a cult.
U got that right..
Facists and enemies of Humanity barking
I think al religions are cults.... Some. More obviously so particularly in Abrahamic originated faiths. Spirituality and goodness are beyond religion
@@Ahmed-vw3iwAntichrist islam
Hmm... whichever direction you face when praying,God hears because God is everywhere.
But that doesn't work in Islam lmaoo
@@ryanborghini2975 keep jelous no problem. Its for unity.
@@OlabisiDelly Not all prayers in Islam need to be directed toward the Ka'bah. It depends on the type of worship. Here's a simple explanation:
Daily Prayers (Salah)
For the five daily prayers, it is mandatory to face the Ka'bah, as it symbolizes unity among Muslims.
Salah has a fixed way of praying, with specific steps like reciting verses from the 📖 Quran, bowing, and prostrating.
Supplication (Dua)
For personal prayers (Dua), you don’t need to face the Ka'bah.
Dua is more about speaking to Allah from the heart, asking for help, guidance, or blessings in your own words and language.
Other Forms of Worship
Dhikr (Remembering Allah): Saying phrases like SubhanAllah or Alhamdulillah can be done in any direction.
Voluntary Prayers (Nafl): For these extra prayers, you do need to face the Ka'bah, just like the daily prayers.
Reading the 📖 Quran or doing Tasbeeh (using prayer beads) doesn’t require facing the Ka'bah.
Conclusion
Facing the Ka'bah is mainly required for formal prayers (Salah). For other types of worship, especially personal ones like Dua, what matters most is your intention and sincerity, not the direction.
@@ryanborghini2975Jews pray facing Jerusalem same concept as the Muslims
I Kings 8:27-30 27“But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built! 28“Yet have regard to the prayer of Your servant and to his supplication, O LORD my God, to listen to the cry and to the prayer which Your servant prays before You today; 29that Your eyes may be open TOWARD THIS HOUSE night and day, TOWARD THIS PLACE of which You have said, ‘My name shall be THERE,’ to listen to the prayer which Your servant shall pray TOWARD THIS PLACE. 30“Listen to the supplication of Your servant and of Your people Israel, when they pray TOWARD THIS PLACE; hear in heaven Your dwelling place; hear and forgive.
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PRAY IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
Dr. Jay Smith also researched this, and the finding states that, indeed, it starts at Petra. and that this changes a lot of things.
I found it very interesting and eye opening.
Correct❤
No water, no people. No people, no settlements. No settlements, no artifacts. No artifacts, no evidence. No evidence, no possibility of this place being the Mecca of historic record.
The claim that the Kaaba 🕋 was originally in Petra is a theory put forth by a few critics and is not supported by historical or Islamic 🕌 evidence. The traditional Islamic belief, based on the 📖 Quran and historical records, is that the Kaaba has always been in its current location in Makkah.
🌍 Key points supporting the traditional Islamic view:
1. 🕋 Historical Continuity: The Kaaba's location in Makkah has been recognized for centuries, with detailed historical accounts from the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and earlier.
2. 🏺 Archaeological Evidence: There is no credible archaeological evidence to suggest that the Kaaba was ever located in Petra. The structure in Petra known as "Kaaba" by some critics has no direct connection to the Kaaba in Makkah.
3. 📖 Quranic Verses: The 📖 Quran explicitly mentions Makkah as the location of the Kaaba: "Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah..." (📖 Quran 3:96)
4. 🕋 slamic Tradition: The Kaaba in Makkah has been the focal point of Islamic worship since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham, peace be upon him), who, along with his son Ismail (peace be upon him), rebuilt it.
The theory suggesting the Kaaba was in Petra lacks substantial evidence and contradicts established Islamic teachings and historical records.
@iffumumin what you have mentioned was already refuted, the name of which I have already mentioned in my statement. also what was written in the various qur'an is false.
Wow wonderful research and new revelations. Thank you
Pictures of the arabs dipict them as dark like a somali at the early stages, but after umayads, they look turkish.. am i the only one seeing that.
Saracens umayyads and moors were described as dark skinned but after the umayyads you had the abbassid which were white persians that took over the caliphate and later you had the turks which ruled until today, thats why we see only the white ones today in middle east because they invaded and corrupted the history through their fake hadith and tafsir written by persians
Probably. Because almost whole middle east is a result of s£x slavery during islamic rule over different regions of africa and asia.
Hey 👋🏾 wena , real Arabs black, turned mixed after conquest of Spain and intermarrying with their Mamluk slaves they brought from the Caucuses , Hungary and Crimea included. One reason why you don’t see many images of Egyptians that date back to the 1800’s going back. Even the majority of present day Arabs in West Asia are not white looking.
jesus became caucasian rather than jewish
@@julmanuy7021
Caucasian means central asians. What are you trying to say? Jesus was a brown jewish Israeli men who learnt buddhism from ladakh and Hinduism from orissa
This programme is extremely interesting & fascinating. Most religions are open to interpretation. Discussion is good and healthy. We all seek the truth.
Very Significant and accurate contributions Great jobs More powers♥️👍🏆👏👏
Thank you doctor Dan Gibson for sharing your great work for us. God bless you 🙏 🙏 🙏
Indeed.
The same thing with the Trinity also happened, the sects made that up later to cover up the true Gospel.
And this is the same with the Qur'an, the sects wanted to cover up its meanings using the "hadiths"...
The truth is that God tells us this:
لَّيْسَ ٱلْبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ ٱلْمَشْرِقِ وَٱلْمَغْرِبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلْبِرَّ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّـهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَٱلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ وَٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ وَءَاتَى ٱلْمَالَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِۦ ذَوِى ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ وَٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ وَٱلْمَسَـٰكِينَ وَٱبْنَ ٱلسَّبِيلِ وَٱلسَّآئِلِينَ وَفِى ٱلرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَى ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱلْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَـٰهَدُوا۟ وَٱلصَّـٰبِرِينَ فِى ٱلْبَأْسَآءِ وَٱلضَّرَّآءِ وَحِينَ ٱلْبَأْسِ أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا۟ وَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُتَّقُونَ
It is not virtue that you turn your faces towards the East and the West. But virtue is: one who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Writ, and the prophets, and gives wealth in spite of love of it to relatives, and the fatherless, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to manumit slaves; and who upholds the duty, and renders the purity; and those who keep their covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in affliction and adversity, and during conflict: those are they who are sincere; and it is they who are those of prudent fear.
(2:177)
Glory be to God!
Mr. Gibson. is a courageous man to whom l am in debt to his contribution to the spirit of Mohammed, It is Such a challenge for Muslims to be conscious of awareness of their faith and its origin. no longer can we be just followers without personal awareness. choice in taking these facts and reconsidering the direction of prayer is present to all Muslims. the black stone gives you that blackness, nothingness, whereas in Petraa, one has the cave the angle. light and illumination, thank you Dan
Don’t you wonder why your faith leaders have been hiding this from you? I recommend including secular sources into one’s historical understanding of their religion, bc they lack the bias religious sources are rigidly defined by; so secular sources are the best ways to learn about which aspects/facts are supported by evidence from science, arts, archaeology, literature/texts, etc.; and what things are simply claimed, & not facts… bc there’s no proof? Actually, there’s alot of contra- indications for things stated in the Quran, & long believed by Muslims re: early Islam… which more reliable & trustworthy, validated, sources disprove or suggest are highly doubtful. Sad to see Islamic leaders ignore issues in Islam history, & more willing to indoctrinate followers than promote critical thinking & thorough comprehension of the text & ancient culture… rather than memorization & rigid judgmental rules for modern life. In a book w/ SO many outrageously false statements about the Bible, Jesus, & Judaism/Christianity (which followers are unaware of), as well as an invented, edited, AND covered-up early history of its own origin/past (which adherents are ALSo unaware of), and violent, hatefilled language… as well as weird, deviant, disgusting sexual practices which were created by Mohammed for his own self interests & the later caliphs changed to hell theirs… as they don’t align with the few ancient texts that describe the daily life of oldest followers of Mohammed- which has lead to horrific implications in today’s world- and ppl think their god is judgmental & suggests they carry out violence & mistreatment of his “chosen” ppl (which is completely irrational) and has subjugated & ruined/tormented lives of many faithful Muslims today… all bc of the corruption of earliest caliphs trying to make a nee state. It’s sick. Ppl should know what they believe & haha e their questions answered… not be tricked & “convinced” or manipulated to believe something is translated to day a barely different word, & the most “easy to understand book in the world” requires SOOO much nuance & knowledge? Really?! NO. ITS BC THE BOOK ISNT CLEAR, nor was it written by Mohammed or anyone in his close circle.
PLEASE Muslims- look at secular sources to confirm answers, & use ur critical thinking Bc Islam doesn’t hint at being truthful, just a man’s attempt to get rich & get his kinks fulfilled. God should be Love & Peace. IMO. Read the New Testament. ❤️
Like you, I think it's an eye opener.
The sprit of Mr. Caveman, Pedo-Prophet: *Sahih al-Bukhari vol 5 bk 58:236* “Allah's Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) married Aisha when she was 6 years old, and _consummated_ when she was 9”
*Qur'an 65:1, 4* "When divorcing women, know their waiting period. For women past the age of menstruation, their waiting period is 3 months - and those who have _NOT_ menstruated yet as well."
*Sahih al-Bukhari vol 7 book 62 number 64:* “Allah's Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) married her when she was 6 years old and he _consummated_ his marriage when she was 9 years old”
*Sahih Bukhari Vol 7, Book 62, Nr 16* "The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) said, 'Did you marry a virgin or a matron?' I replied, 'A matron.' He said, “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?'"
What (ungrammatical) idiocy. Is English your native language?
Deep thoughts from a weak and gullible mind. Stop falling for this propaganda - even if it’s spoken in a fake English accent.
Thanks for this video.
This should be told and showed to the more than one billion ppl. so they can decide what they think and belive.
May wisdom and science open the eyes and minds of people.
Thx,
Marius
Such an important work. Masterful. Many thanks.
Masterful ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Thank you very much it was a great effort.
I love the way he makes it sound like the main character in the novel “Quran” - “MHMD” wanted to “spread” Islam across the world. He wanted to force this political movement on all humanity through submission due to battles bloodshed and death.
@@TheOKkittyfarm lier
This is as if I was there after listening to the Doctor.
It is as plain as day. 😊
So well reasoned, what an impressive compilation of evidence.
Thank you Mr. Gibson! Praying to the black rock is called idol worship! But they deny it! Blinded by satan! 😢I have been following Dr. Jay Smith, Al Fadi and Lloyd de Jong! ❤
i feel bad for you if you follows jay smith and fadi
Sure.
Thank God the Qur'an never orders us to kiss any black stone.
It literally doesn't.
And also what Christians do is idol worship, when they pray to Jesus, it's not direfent to kissing the black rock for blessings from God.
Both are wrong.
Why? Because idol worship is worshiping the material as God, both flesh and rock are material, and Jesus is Spirit and Flesh, while God in only Spirit... Thus worshiping Jesus is idol worship.
Satan is indeed an enemy to us all... and the Trinitarians are blinded by Satan just as the Rabbis who also lie about God, and the Sheikhs who do as the Rabbis...
This is because Satan only has power over the people who disobey God...
I try to obey God, and the Qur'an is indeed guidance.
لَّيْسَ ٱلْبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ ٱلْمَشْرِقِ وَٱلْمَغْرِبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلْبِرَّ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّـهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَٱلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ وَٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ وَءَاتَى ٱلْمَالَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِۦ ذَوِى ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ وَٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ وَٱلْمَسَـٰكِينَ وَٱبْنَ ٱلسَّبِيلِ وَٱلسَّآئِلِينَ وَفِى ٱلرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَى ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱلْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَـٰهَدُوا۟ وَٱلصَّـٰبِرِينَ فِى ٱلْبَأْسَآءِ وَٱلضَّرَّآءِ وَحِينَ ٱلْبَأْسِ أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا۟ وَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُتَّقُونَ
It is not virtue that you turn your faces towards the East and the West. But virtue is: one who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Writ, and the prophets, and gives wealth in spite of love of it to relatives, and the fatherless, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to manumit slaves; and who upholds the duty, and renders the purity; and those who keep their covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in affliction and adversity, and during conflict: those are they who are sincere; and it is they who are those of prudent fear.
(2:177)
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@@hahaloser3914 if you could prove Jay wrong, you would. But you can't.
😅😅😅
I love this. Thank you very much.
Excllent documentary and amazing research for truth.
എന്റെ ഏറ്റവും വലിയ സംശയം ഈ വീഡിയോ കണ്ടതോടെ മാറി 🙏🙏🙏ഖുർആൻ വായിച്ചാൽ മനസ്സിൽ ആകും മരുഭൂമിയിൽ അല്ല മുഹമ്മദ് ജീവിച്ചത്, മരിച്ചത്, ജീവിച്ചത് 👌👌
It's devil worship, Quran 22:52 Satan giving Muhammad verses
Definitely Petra. That is the landscape detailed in the Koran . The early Mosques all
Pointed to Petra. Part of the trading routes and an important area to world trade.
No they pointed to Jerusalem that was the way of prayer before and its recorded in the hadiths.
@ no- Petra- check the geography
The claim that the Kaaba 🕋 was originally in Petra is a theory put forth by a few critics and is not supported by historical or Islamic 🕌 evidence. The traditional Islamic belief, based on the 📖 Quran and historical records, is that the Kaaba has always been in its current location in Makkah.
🌍 Key points supporting the traditional Islamic view:
1. 🕋 Historical Continuity: The Kaaba's location in Makkah has been recognized for centuries, with detailed historical accounts from the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and earlier.
2. 🏺 Archaeological Evidence: There is no credible archaeological evidence to suggest that the Kaaba was ever located in Petra. The structure in Petra known as "Kaaba" by some critics has no direct connection to the Kaaba in Makkah.
3. 📖 Quranic Verses: The 📖 Quran explicitly mentions Makkah as the location of the Kaaba: "Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah..." (📖 Quran 3:96)
4. 🕋 slamic Tradition: The Kaaba in Makkah has been the focal point of Islamic worship since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham, peace be upon him), who, along with his son Ismail (peace be upon him), rebuilt it.
The theory suggesting the Kaaba was in Petra lacks substantial evidence and contradicts established Islamic teachings and historical records.
@ why do early mosques point towards Petra and not Mecca?
@@Jammyhorse Critics often bring up the theory that early mosques faced Petra instead of Mecca, based on the research of a few scholars like Dan Gibson. This theory suggests that early Islamic mosques were oriented towards Petra in modern-day Jordan rather than Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Here are some points that critics raise and possible responses to them:
Critic's Points:
1. Qibla Orientation: Some early mosques, when examined, appear to face Petra rather than Mecca.
2. Historical Records: The theory claims inconsistencies in early Islamic historical records about the location of the qibla.
3. Archaeological Evidence: There are claims that archaeological evidence suggests an earlier religious significance of Petra.
Responses:
1. Geographical Precision: Early Muslims might not have had the precise tools or methods for accurate orientation, leading to minor deviations in the qibla.
2. Misinterpretation of Data: Critics argue that the data used by proponents of this theory is selective and not representative of all early mosques. Some studies suggest that the majority of early mosques do align towards Mecca.
3. Religious Texts and Consistency: The 📖Quran and Hadith consistently emphasize Mecca (Makkah) as the qibla after the revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The 📖Quran specifically mentions the change of qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca (📖Quran 2:144).
4. Historical Continuity: Islamic historical records and traditions have consistently identified Mecca as the focal point of Islamic worship since the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Scholarly Consensus:
The majority of Islamic scholars and historians reject the Petra hypothesis, maintaining that Mecca has been the qibla since the Prophet's (peace be upon him) time. The theory is viewed as speculative and not supported by the broader historical and archaeological evidence.
Great research, thank you!
Nice summary!
An excellent found by doctor Dan Gibson👍👍👍🙏
He's not Dr Gibson. He's not to be confused with Prof Gibson of Denison University.
It's amazing that this was spoken two years ago and now Muslims or some of them actually is looking into it and believing this is true
@@Superboss2704 all lies. Muslims know to believe in one true God not triune.
@@Superboss2704
🕌✨"They try to stop the spread of Allah's message, like trying to blow out a shining lamp 🪔 with their breath 🌬️. But Allah will ensure His light 🌟 shines bright and spreads everywhere, no matter how much they dislike it." ✨🌍📿☝️💞
📖 Qiran 9:32.
This verse shows that no force can dim the divine guidance Allah has sent✨️🕌💝
Then why is there loads of X Muslims on here
@@stephenseverns6384
"They try to stop the spread of Allah's message, like trying to blow out a shining lamp 🪔 with their breath 🌬️. But Allah will ensure His light 🌟 shines bright and spreads everywhere, no matter how much they dislike it" Quran 9:32.
This verse shows that no force can dim the divine guidance Allah has sent to entire World 🌎✨️🕌💝😀
Fatest growing religion and most practicing religion with more than 2 billion followers of Islam Alhamdulillah.
The claim that the Kaaba 🕋 was originally in Petra is a theory put forth by a few critics and is not supported by historical or Islamic 🕌 evidence. The traditional Islamic belief, based on the 📖 Quran and historical records, is that the Kaaba has always been in its current location in Makkah.
🌍 Key points supporting the traditional Islamic view:
1. 🕋 Historical Continuity: The Kaaba's location in Makkah has been recognized for centuries, with detailed historical accounts from the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and earlier.
2. 🏺 Archaeological Evidence: There is no credible archaeological evidence to suggest that the Kaaba was ever located in Petra. The structure in Petra known as "Kaaba" by some critics has no direct connection to the Kaaba in Makkah.
3. 📖 Quranic Verses: The 📖 Quran explicitly mentions Makkah as the location of the Kaaba: "Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Makkah..." (📖 Quran 3:96)
4. 🕋 slamic Tradition: The Kaaba in Makkah has been the focal point of Islamic worship since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham, peace be upon him), who, along with his son Ismail (peace be upon him), rebuilt it.
The theory suggesting the Kaaba was in Petra lacks substantial evidence and contradicts established Islamic teachings and historical records.
Mecca is just a Saudi religious "Disneyland. The money they have lavished on this site is on par with what the Vatican spent on itself in the 16th century.
😂Religous Disney😂Religion is big business. Pray at home. It's cheaper and safer.
@@jerryczarski5991 🎯🎯🎯
@@proudamerican7662 During the 2024 Hajj, the air temp at Mecca was 51C --- Perdition on Earth.
Well said..
Even the Zam Zam water itself is a joke..
Great work!!
Excellent 💯 ... I've heard about this before but still I'm happy I found this documentary ... Also several jami'ah (kibla or Qibla) point to petra as the direction to face when praying ... Thanks & ✌🏽❤️
Like Disneyland where you have historical mock ups of ancient sites. They created and designed the city from bare desert for the religious tourists, sorry pilgrims. The hotels to rake the money in are the biggest monuments.
The Ka'bah 🕋 as the First House of Worship 🕌
✨️Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) - blessed and a guidance for the worlds✨️
📖 Quran Surah Aal-E-Imran, 3:96)
✨️And say, 'Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed, falsehood is [by nature], ever bound to perish✨️
📖 Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:81)
✨️It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it✨️
📖 Quran, Surah As-Saff (61:9)
Alhamdulillah 2 Billion believers and fastest growing religion in the world 🌎 💖💝💞💐📜😄
They were forced to submit, they did not choose to follow. If you'd like more about the truth of Petra, Mecca and self-proclaimed prophet of Islam then Dr Jay Smith and Dr Robert Spencer, who have brought the origins of Islam to life
Jay smith 😂😂😂 that clown has been destroyed so many time in debates with muslims
Make sense a lot.... Unfortunately, still today, we cannot post this kind of documentaries in muslim countries ( middle east) in any whats app groups even to christians. They are afraid of being monitored & jailed for criticism.
Forced religion
@@Josembis false claim no force
Great documentary.. Far more believable than what the Bukhari teaches.
Islamic scholars and historians argue that "Becca" mentioned in the Quran (Surah 3:96) may refer to the same location. The Quran states that the first house of worship established for humanity was at Becca.
In the Bible, there is a reference to a place called "Baca" in Psalm 84:6: "As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs." Some Islamic scholars propose that "Baca" could be linked to "Becca" and thus to the modern city of Mecca.
Only believe and no evidence or proof because there is no record of any word mecca older then 1300 yrs.
So if Mecca is their holy city, why are they so obsessed with Jerusalem.
@guerillagardener2237
Because Israel belongs to the Jews.
Amos 9:14-15
Exodus 32:13
Psalm 105:8-11
Joshua 1:1-4
Romans 9:4
Genesis 13:14-16
And not to the Arabs.
Genesis 21:8-13
Nehemiah 2:17-20
Because muslims likes to steal everything
Ok so you think the original Islamic city is Petra and not Mecca....ok and? So what? Who gives af?!?
@@rickpearson7943it doesn't mean islam is not the one and true path 😂
God point..
So sad they burned all books. We could know more about people's history this planet. Same was going on in Europe.
In fact, this is very educative. Thank you Dr. Dan Gibson
Almighty God bless you for opening our eyes 👀
History is written by the victors... Not by truth....
Religions never let the truth get in the way of a good business
The Bible is the most accurately transmitted book from the ancient world. No other ancient book has as many, as early, or more accurately copied manuscripts. Old Testament >>Old Testament manuscript reliability is based on three factors: their abundance, dating, and accuracy. Most works from antiquity survive on only a handful of manuscripts: only 7 for Plato, 8 for Thucydides, 8 for Herodotus, 10 for Caesar’s Gallic Wars, and 20 for Tacitus. Only the works of Demosthenes and Homer number into the hundreds. Yet even before 1890 a scholar named Giovanni de Rossi published 731 OT manuscripts. Since that time some 10,000 OT manuscripts were found in the Cairo Geniza, and in 1947 the Dead Sea caves at Qumran produced over 600 OT manuscripts. Further, the Dead Sea Scrolls, containing at least fragments of all OT books except Esther, all date from before the end of the first century A.D. and some to the third century B.C. The Nash Papyrus is dated between the second century B.C. and the first century A.D.The manuscripts’ accuracy is known from internal and external evidence. (1) It is well known that Jewish scribal reverence for Scripture led to its careful transmission. (2) Examination of duplicate passages (e.g., Pss 14 and 53) show parallel transmission. (3) The early Greek translation of the OT, the Septuagint, substantially agrees with the Hebrew manuscripts. (4) Comparison of the Samaritan Pentateuch with the same biblical books preserved within the Jewish tradition shows close similarity. (5) The Dead Sea Scrolls provide manuscripts dating a thousand years earlier than most used to establish the Hebrew text. Comparative studies reveal word-for-word identity in 95 percent of the text. Minor variants consist mostly of slips of the pen or spelling. Only 13 small changes were discovered in the entire Dead Sea Scrolls copy of Isaiah, eight of which were known from other-ancient sources. After 1,000 years of copying, there were no changes in meaning and almost no changes in wording! >>New Testament >>> The reliability of the NT is established because the number, date, and accuracy of its manuscripts enable reconstruction of the original text with more precision than any other ancient text. The number of NT manuscripts is overwhelming (almost 5,700 Greek manuscripts) compared with the typical book from antiquity (about 7 to 10 manuscripts; Homer’s Iliad has the most at 643 manuscripts). The NT is simply the best textually supported book from the ancient world. The earliest undisputed NT manuscript is the John Rylands Papyrus, dated between A.D. 117 and 138. Whole books (e.g., those contained in the Bodmer Papyri) are available from around the year 200. And most of the NT, including all the Gospels, is available in the Chester Beatty Papyri manuscripts, dating to about 250.
@@jeffsmith3019 The Torah is a record of the mythology of the ancient Hebrews. The Tanakh as a whole is a handbook for racial supremacy. Whether it has been transmitted accurately is a moot point.
@@Simon.the.Likeableour Bible is okay as it is! You can say what you want! Do your research about your fake Muhammad and Islam!
@@Simon.the.Likeable after what I had posted your statement can only be construed as the 'height of ignorance and stupidity '.
@@Simon.the.Likeable Tanakh is not about racial supremacy. It is about God using a people to bring salvation to all people. The rights you do have only come from this source. You think through atheism, powers above would treat you well? You speak as if you have authority where you have none, hardly likable.
Well done Mr Gibson.
Thank you for your research. Many Muslims including me, don't bother themselves doing any research. But you did a great job.
Terpenting dalam Islam adalah beriman pada satu Tuhan yaitu Allah dan nabi Muhammad adalah utusan terakhir yang harus diikuti
Now this whole saga makes more sense.
The Qur’an describes Mecca as a non-agricultural area Our Lord, indeed I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So fill hearts among the people with inclination toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they may be grateful. (37)
@@Vllili Dear Villi, I meant that Petra makes more sense to be the origin of the muslim religion and not Meca. According to the scientific studies Petra makes more sense to be the origin of Muslim and not Mecca because in Mecca it has a dessert and no settlements of people have beed detected for hundreds of year.
Hmmm. Great research. This is undoubtedly true
Petra fits the bill in all ways except that during the entire life of Muhammad (if he existed) the Byzantines controlled Petra. Which means that it was not a pagan city but a Christian one. So there would not have been a pagan Kaaba that pagan Arabs made pilgrimages to prior to the invention of Islam. There would not have been pagan Arabs persecuting Muhammad and his followers. Could there have been Christians persecuting Muhammad and his followers in Christian Petra? If so, would we expect to find a Byzantine record of Muhammad causing trouble in Petra and getting exiled to Medina? Does the absence of such a record preclude the possibility of Muhammad growing up in Petra? Is it more likely that the people who wrote the Quran and hadiths simply used Petra as a model for Mecca since it was such a cool city during its heyday? All these questions and issues need to be examined.
One correction of myself. When the Persians temporarily conquered Jerusalem in AD 614, they probably captured Petra for a while as well. This of course was also not mentioned in any of the Islamic narratives concerning the life of Muhammad.
Absolutely fantastic look into islamic history! Authentic, full of facts and a seach for the truth
Plenty of people questioned that Mecca is the holy city of Islam. Gibson says:
"No one has ever questioned that Mecca is the holy city of Islam." but others have questioned it, and ex-muslims have even paid with their lives for pointing out the obvious.
Outside the lands where pointing out the obvious could get you killed, imprisoned or put in an insane asylum, many academics have shown that the, to quote a term, "standard narrative has holes in it "
As Gibson says many have recognised that the landscape in the Qur'an,does not agree at all with what you find in Mecca today. People have looked for Mecca on ancient maps in all nearby civilisations, and looked into other documents from the time and Mecca is not there.
Apart from stories only written (down) about 200 years after the supposed death of the character "Muhammad " by Muslims and their rulers, there is really nothing that links any of the 37 Arabic Qur'ans with what is called Mecca today.
The earliest manuscripts of Qur'ans show that it was written without vowels and other diacritics so there was no Muhammad as Muslims want to claim. What you have is a bunch of consonants mhmd that would most likely be Mahmood or rather mahmed with no vowels needed between the h and the second m. This was not a name but a the title of the Praiseworthy One. That title had been given to Jesus as far back as the Book of Revelation.
The Qur'an as it stands today says that it is supposed to be in pure Arabic but it really contains dozens of words from Amharic, Hebrew and Greek etc. So it is actually unlikely that modern translators etc knowing only Arabic really even understand the foreign words in the Qur'ans.
So we find contradictions in the whole thing. There are verses in the Qur'ans that say that it is a "clear book ", but these are contradicted by other verses saying that the Qur'ans contain birth clear and *unclear* verses and now experts admitting that only Allah (if he exists) knows what the Qur'ans are supposed to mean in many verses.
So people have now looked at these verses and compared them with Syriac Aramaic and concluded that that is the true language of the original Qur'an and that it actually didn't have anything to do with what is called Mecca today. It, the Qur'an itself, is from the north where that dialect of Syriac Aramaic was written and later recited.
@oprophetisfake9482 lier
Religion organised society via custom, law, cohesion. Hence good to believe & accept. I see Islam as a power base for political power. I read that Muhammad as a messenger of god, could allocate heavenly positions (so did Christian clergy at one stage). Islam claims destiny of world dominance, which is the reason it builds over the top of other faiths sacred sites - converted Hagia Christian church Constantinople, to Istanbul mosque; Israel sacred sites to Islamic sacred sites etc. Islam known as militants religion accepted jihad as Devine inspiration to take control.
I am curious to learn more. How do you explain the origin of Zamzam water?
RIGHT ON
@@klimando4166 DESALINATION PLANT - JEDDAH, Bulk Storage Reservoirs - Muna, Saudi Arabia
DESALINATION PLANT - JEDDAH to Bulk Storage Reservoirs - Muna, Saudi Arabia
A quick google will tell you all you need to know about this didn’t take me long. A lot of pipes and ,desalination plants, some reservoirs near Jeddah.
Neither mecca nor petra...but in the gutters of hell
Is exactly where you going after you die
@@B.H.091
🕌✨"They try to stop the spread of Allah's message, like trying to blow out a shining lamp 🪔 with their breath 🌬️. But Allah will ensure His light 🌟 shines bright and spreads everywhere, no matter how much they dislike it." ✨🌍📿☝️💞
📖 Qiran 9:32.
This verse shows that no force can dim the divine guidance Allah has sent✨️🕌💝
Allahs message is dying
The Ka'bah 🕋 as the First House of Worship 🕌
✨️Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) - blessed and a guidance for the worlds✨️
📖 Quran Surah Aal-E-Imran, 3:96)
✨️And say, 'Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed, falsehood is [by nature], ever bound to perish✨️
📖 Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:81)
✨️It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it✨️
📖 Quran, Surah As-Saff (61:9)
Alhamdulillah 2 Billion believers and fastest growing religion in the world 🌎 💖💝💞💐📜😄
@@iffumumin fastest growing religion (cult) because of forced conversion
The Bible is True.with historical truth and scientifically correct👍unlike Quran😢
There are 66 books in the (Protestant) Bible, but 73 in the Roman Catholic one. Which bible are you talking about? And which book of the Bible is "scientifically true"? Jonah? Genesis? Exodus? Revelation?
The Ka'bah 🕋 as the First House of Worship 🕌
✨️Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah) - blessed and a guidance for the worlds✨️
📖 Quran Surah Aal-E-Imran, 3:96)
✨️And say, 'Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed, falsehood is [by nature], ever bound to perish✨️
📖 Quran, Surah Al-Isra, 17:81)
✨️It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it✨️
📖 Quran, Surah As-Saff (61:9)
Alhamdulillah 2 Billion believers and fastest growing religion in the world 🌎 💖💝💞💐📜😄
Sedangkan Bible tak ada satu teks asli sekalipun hahaahaaa setiap terjemahan selalu berbeda tak tetap bukti kepalsuan Bible yang tak otentik
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Really, you seem to need reassurance 😂
Excellent
you mad interesting uploading. take care!DOCUVERSE,
I was thinking the same thing.
Yemen, Iraq, Syria - These are where Islam developed. Paganism!
Is paganism to serve one God alone?
لَّيْسَ ٱلْبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ ٱلْمَشْرِقِ وَٱلْمَغْرِبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلْبِرَّ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّـهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَٱلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ وَٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ وَءَاتَى ٱلْمَالَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِۦ ذَوِى ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ وَٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ وَٱلْمَسَـٰكِينَ وَٱبْنَ ٱلسَّبِيلِ وَٱلسَّآئِلِينَ وَفِى ٱلرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَى ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱلْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَـٰهَدُوا۟ وَٱلصَّـٰبِرِينَ فِى ٱلْبَأْسَآءِ وَٱلضَّرَّآءِ وَحِينَ ٱلْبَأْسِ أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا۟ وَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُتَّقُونَ
It is not virtue that you turn your faces towards the East and the West. But virtue is: one who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Writ, and the prophets, and gives wealth in spite of love of it to relatives, and the fatherless, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to manumit slaves; and who upholds the duty, and renders the purity; and those who keep their covenant when they make a covenant; and the patient in affliction and adversity, and during conflict: those are they who are sincere; and it is they who are those of prudent fear.
(2:177)
The Qur'an never calls to paganism.
Just as the Gospel doesn't either, yet most Christians are also pagans...
History repeats itself...
nice very informative.
so that muslim know thier story of origin of islam
A human is a human only when he is able to do research, Observe and have logic .
You want to write off 80% of the human race as non-human? Just because of where Islam started?
If you can find a book from about 2000 called The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, by Ernest L. Martin, HUGE book showing the True Temple Location 600 to the South of the DotR, which was the Roman Fort Antonia, not the Temple Mount. This fascinating Video reminds me of that book.
OK very good investigative work. Now for your next documentary, examine the culture of Petra and how that resulted in the culture of Islam.
My question would be, what is our understanding of Petra now, Islam seems to be connected to it?
More evidence needed from Petra, basically looking at all archeological evidence once again, differently, from now on!
@@barbarycorsair8473 I find the evidence quite compelling because it fits with early Koranic texts. However records of Petra are quite sparse so it won't be easy. Perhaps in a few years we will learn more.
@@clivemarriott7749 Despite the compelling truths presented by Dr. Dan Gibson, many Muslims still refuse to believe, even though they can't refute his arguments. It's very disheartening.
@@bernardommarquez4532He doesn’t present any evidence, everything in this video is fabricated garbage.
In 2017, historian David A. King authored a highly critical review of Gibson's Early Islamic Qiblas in which he cites plagiarism, misconstruction and misunderstanding of his 1990 work on Qibla direction.[2][3] King also published a systematic review in 2018 entitled "The Petra fallacy - Early mosques do face the Sacred Kaaba in Mecca but Dan Gibson doesn't know how / Comparing historical orientations with modern directions can lead to false results".[4]
King argued that early Muslim Arabs were unable to precisely establish Qiblas when building new mosques until later mathematical developments made precision possible.[1] Further, King wrote, many variations in orientation are better accounted for by regional and local practices, imperfect geography, and folk astronomy. King noted Gibson's inadequate grasp of mathematics, citing Gibson's "spherical polygons" (p. 170) as inexplicable. King summarized his analysis of Gibson's work as an "amateurish, non-scholarly document that is both offensive to Muslims and also an insult to Muslim and Western scholarship."[1] Gibson placed a response to King on academia.edu, "Dr. King on the other hand is convinced that the sloppy qiblas actually intended to point: east, west, solstices, sunrises and so forth. I have not come across anything in Islamic religious manuscripts that support these Qiblas. But perhaps in time someone, somewhere will stumble across something that will change our understanding of Qiblas. All I have found so far, is that every Muslim expects the Qibla to point to Masjid Al Harām."[5]
Historians "CORRECTED" the Qur'an??? I thought it was never changed??
There’s at least 37+ versions - but it’s never been changed! 🤣
Only one version of Quran
🕌✨"They try to stop the spread of Allah's message, like trying to blow out a shining lamp 🪔 with their breath 🌬️. But Allah will ensure His light 🌟 shines bright and spreads everywhere, no matter how much they dislike it." ✨🌍📿☝️💞
📖 Qiran 9:32.
This verse shows that no force can dim the divine guidance Allah has sent✨️🕌💝
Wow! Mind Blowing
This discovery just shatters islam and the quran
Very interesting to listen.
There's something odd in the fact that the oldest surviving mosque in the world was erected in 627, halfway around the world. While Muhammad lives?! They must have been running a marathon every day to go set up a mosque in the farthest country on Earth so soon! I suspect a foreign influence on Islam, like Marcion or Arianism (both already hundreds of years old), coming along the Silk Road. Either of which may have had a temple of some sort previously built in China. Or did someone find a useful building with the precise angle (toward Petra) that they could move into and expropriate?
according to sahih boukhary the angel was not angel it was satan \
in to many verses in the islamic books they say that mohammed was dimonic
Do you have any reference for your claim ???
@@janveerraise3339 Lots: *Qur'an 3:151* “We will cast t_____r into the hearts of those who deny the Truth"
*Qur'an 8:12* "I shall cast t____r into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks"
*Qur'an 9:111* “Allah has indeed purchased from the believers their lives and wealth in exchange for Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah and k__ or be k____.”
*Qur'an 9:29* "Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day."
*Qur'an 2:216* "Fighting is obligatory for you ˹believers˺. Allah knows and you do not."
*Qur'an 9:123* “Believers! Fight against the disbelievers who are near to you; and let them find harshness in you. Know that Allah is with the God-fearing. O ye who believe!”
*Qur'an 47:4* “So when you meet those who disbelieve, strike their necks until, when you have inflicted slau _______ upon them, then secure their bonds, and either confer favor afterwards or ransom them until the war lays down its burdens. That is the command. And those who are k______ in the cause of Allah . . . never will He waste their deeds.”
@@janveerraise3339 Aisha: "But, I'm _only_ nine."
Allah's Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him): "You're just _FINE!"_
Roses are red, violets are blue, Aisha was 9 and Allah's Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) was 52.
*Sahih al-Bukhari vol 5 bk 58:236* “Allah's Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) married Aisha when she was 6 years old, and _consummated_ when she was 9”
*Qur'an 65:1, 4* "When divorcing women, know their waiting period. For women past the age of menstruation, their waiting period is 3 months - and those who have _NOT_ menstruated yet as well."
*Sahih Bukhari Vol 7, Book 62, Nr 16* "The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) said, 'Did you marry a virgin or a matron?' I replied, 'A matron.' He said, “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?'"
@@janveerraise3339nope bro these kufrs always lie about islam
this guy can't even spell bukhari properly and that already should tell he knows nothing
Triune God people also agrueing to one true God believers.
What you are talking about is actually interesting but at the same time it makes me shocked lol.
I am curious about the city of Medina which became the place of migration of the Prophet Muhammad... Does that mean it wasn't where we know it? 🤔
Maybe it was the Medina as we know it as it was in the caravan routes he showed in the beginning. Remember they used to attack the mekkan caravans
It is likely that Medina would’ve been the next ‘Mecca’, and then the current day Mecca would’ve been created to fulfill the idea of a holy city as there was no previous civilisation there to counter historic claims. Medina has a lot more historical sources because it was within the incense caravan route, and there were multiple Jewish tribes that lived there before pre-Islam. For whatever reason, whether by political reasons or a change of caravan route due to Petra losing its position to Syria and the resulting earthquakes a couple centuries before Mohammed’s alleged birth, Medina would’ve been an ideal trade centre to migrate to
@@gappuma7883 yes. Medina is an oasis city. So, It was where prophet Muhammad formed the government
@@jesonchase2233And he and his followers were thrown out of Mecca.
Thank you❤
But 1 Question still remains unanswered by Dr. Gibson, afterall why abbasid changed Qibla direction to Mecca at all. What is kabba' importance before era of muhhommad if he lived in petra the becca? What was there in mecca when muhommad was preaching islam in petra?
He explained it at 1:09, but didn’t make it clear. Before “Mecca” was changed from Petra it had merely been the site of a local god (or Gods). That’s why the earliest mosques faced toward Jerusalem and Petra.
@motorcop505 my queation is WHY ? as islam as they say have no respect for a pagan site. Or they are wrong. Islam still is a pagan religion or made pagan in abbasid era.abbasid changed islam's fundamentals. There is a verse in quran which says face into SKY in prayer but now towards kaba. This means this is an altered verse. Alteration made by Abbasid.
There was nothing in the new mecca originally, it was just a desert. That's why there is no archeological evidence of ancient city or settlement.
Meca was populated only when oil was descover this is the main sources of their income without the oil they messarable life
position your prayers through Jesus Christ. God is never concern of which position you pray.
So if i pray while pooping and stepping on poop then according to you it has no concern,wow
Any big and thriving city is a part of some kingdom which ensures its stability and law and order. There is ever no mention of any kingdom that Mecca was a part of.
I'm surprised by this at all. No questions asked organization. They used to pray facing Jerusalem. Why was it changed?
A fascinating & ancient world …. would love to visit ! 🙏❤️
A great discovery of the Islam no doubt patra is the real macca very realistic and true story of Muhammad Islam
57:40
The word Qibla just means direction.
It can mean direction in life, which is a meaning which fits the Qur'an quite well in many cases, better than it meaning physical facing.
Or and, to face a place and actually go there.
Aka, directing yourself towards that place.
This idea of praying facing a direction is not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an, and in some contexts it doesn't fit so much.
Some J3ws and Christians do it but i didn't find any clear reference supporting it...
@askywa I didn't say that.
This is something which requires study, all i mention were ways of interpretation, which are both possible, analyzing the context will help, but i have yet to get deeper.
What is clear is that nowhere does it mention prayer and direction in the same place...
At least not that i recall now.
And the metaphorical sense of direction does fit some context of the Qur'an way better.
So personally yes i take them that way.
God directed me to be in Islam.
He changed my Qibla also, and it has been a test for me.
I wasn't born in Islam, or at least i wasn't raised in it, and i lost some, then this change in qibla, in direction of life has had it's challanges, with family etc...
But i'm happy with it, and in God i trust.
Follow what you want, i only call people to be in peace with God, if that is bad what is then good?
If you read the Qur'an without what the traditionalists covered up with, then it will make much more sense to you.
That's my advice.
Now between you and God.
@askywa And also the word sujud, the Qur'an mentions diverse cases where sujud is metaphorical as to mean submission.
So yes the Qur'an does use metaphores, nothing new.
This doesn't mean everything is so.
And some metaphorical aspects are good to be accompanied by the physical.
In postration you are in both physical and spiritual/metaphorical sujud towards God.
Both are good to be present.
Some peoole can't do the physical, so at meast they may do the spiritual/metaphorical sujud.
Anyways, did you just support mocking people?
Nah you are nasty man..
Purify your intentions and then we shall speak.
I have nothing to hide and i'm fully convinced the Qur'an calls us to be sincere, and truth seekers like Abraham.
If you are in that vibe that's cool, even if we disagree on some.
But if you only want to win debates, then this would be loosing time...
@askywa Directing to London does not mean facing London, it means facing it and moving towards it in certain contexts.
And the context is that there was a pilgrimage, so people faced the Forbidden place of Submission and walked towards it.
Not only facing it.
And they also faced it in the sense of the values.
That is why wheb Abraham was told the position of the house, he was also told the spiritual position of the house "Do not ascribe partnership with me with anything"
I don't remember the exact quote now.
But yeah, you are making a big deal out of this because you want to reject.
But to be fair i also need to study it deeper, now i only checked it a bit.
documetary tells us islamic believers is following prayed to the block stone?
Cry more bro
@@dongdongkuyadong8625 In Islam, the concept of God (Allah) is deeply rooted in monotheism. Allah is the one and only Creator, eternal, without partners, and incomparable. Muslims do not worship the Ka'bah or any object; they worship Allah alone. Here's an explanation:
Who is Allah?
1. Oneness of Allah (Tawhid):
Allah is unique and has no partners, children, or equals.
He is the same God worshiped by all prophets, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
2. Attributes of Allah:
Allah is the Most Merciful (Ar-Rahman), the All-Knowing (Al-Alim), and the Almighty (Al-Aziz).
He is beyond human comprehension, and nothing resembles Him.
3. Direct Worship:
Muslims pray directly to Allah without intermediaries.
Allah hears and responds to every prayer and is closer to His servants than their jugular vein (📖 Quran 50:16).
What is the Ka'bah?
1. Symbolic Direction (Qiblah):
The Ka'bah is a sacred structure and the direction (Qiblah) Muslims face during prayer to symbolize unity, not an object of worship.
It was built by Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham, peace be upon him) and his son Ismail (peace be upon him) as a house of worship dedicated solely to Allah.
2. Not Divine:
Muslims do not believe the Ka'bah or its black stone (Hajar al-Aswad) is divine.
The Ka'bah serves as a unifying focal point for the global Muslim community, emphasizing equality and humility before Allah.
Key Quranic Verse
📖 “Say, ‘He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, nor is there to Him any equivalent.’” (Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:1-4)
Conclusion
In Islam, Allah alone is the object of worship. The Ka'bah is a sacred structure symbolizing unity and devotion but holds no divine power. Muslims' faith is centered on Allah, the Creator, and Sustainer of the universe.
@@dongdongkuyadong8625
🕌✨"They try to stop the spread of Allah's message, like trying to blow out a shining lamp 🪔 with their breath 🌬️. But Allah will ensure His light 🌟 shines bright and spreads everywhere, no matter how much they dislike it." ✨🌍📿☝️💞
📖 Qiran 9:32.
This verse shows that no force can dim the divine guidance Allah has sent✨️🕌💝
this makes sense as to why the Al Fatihah prayer in islam plagiarized a syriac orthodox prayer from that region
Much of Islam is based on Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism. Unfortunately, Mohammed either intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreted the parts of these religions that he borrowed from. He was illiterate though, so it is not surprising that he could not keep all of his facts straight.
From the philipines joseph dawang what is the conection of the that black stone in alla?
Mr Gibson you are a gem......thank you for your research which has benefitted muslims as well as non muslims
It has not benefit anyone. It's pure stupidity. Becca is mentioned in Bible and Quran. This man just want to sound different to get views and money
Excellent true information
Where ever it started it was the worst thing which happened to humans.
Dr Gibson, you make the spread of Islam sound so peacefully achieved.
I am still confused as to the initial black rock? Who, when and where did it come from?
That was the pre-Islamic site for the prayer to roughly 350 local Gods/dirties of different kinds.
@ so it means bad vibes are in that site.
That's soooooo interesting
Islam starts from a Pagan Moon god of Muhammad called "Al-lah"
Jesus was praying to Al - laha, so I'm guessing he was also praying to the moon God. Silly statement you made.
@@kl8650 Stop telling lies. Don't act like your Mad man prophet Mo.
@ordinarylife2343 What you are saying is absurd. Clearly, you are ignorant of the arabic language. The Christian and the idolaters used the word meaning God. Go educate yourself.
@@kl8650 Tell it to Arab native Ex- Muslims bro.
@ordinarylife2343 an arab that thinks Allah is a moon God 😄 🤣. I guess Rab also means moon God too, haha.
"Masjid" is from the root word "S-J-D" / "Sajdah".... So Masjid means "place of prostrate".. not gathering.. 18:30
The Muslim place of worship is referred to as a mosque. The term mosque comes from an Arabic word, masjid, meaning a place of prostration. A commonly used term for the mosque is the Arabic word, Jama’a, derived from a root word meaning to gather, or gathering.