These days, it seems like almost everything is manufactured in China. The crucial aspect to consider is the QC. As long as the materials are good and the QC is well executed, everything else becomes insignificant
I think it would be in their best interests to send you more of their watches. You are honest about your reviews and you told them honest conserns from people who love watches. Asking for clarity is the best way for them show off. Style with engineering in a package being truly Japanese built regardless of where parts are sourced. In house movement. If I could I would buy this watch just because if i have questions about before purchasing will be answered. You deserve to review another.
Thanks Gary. It's great to see a brand quickly responding to customer concerns. As I said I'm not a skeleton fan but loads of people are and it's a nice watch for people who like those watches!. The only thing about unusual movements is repairability locally. I had a Ciga, not a cheap watch, it was in the early days of that company. They weren't interested in repairing it after it broke and I couldn't find a watch maker to fix it because he couldn't replace the broken part. I think, given what you've been told that the watch is fine. If I was to be a buyer of this watch I would want more information on how easy this watch is to be repaired after the warranty period is up.
Sometimes it is nice to enjoy the sausage without knowing what goes in it. Do we get too stuck on this stuff sometimes? Gary, thanks for the investigating and the information.
It's nice that they are offering the watch without the branding on the crystal, but I noticed they are offering a smaller discount for the unbranded units, 25% compared to 38% for the regular units. Meaning they effectively are charging you 450 USD to omit the logo.
It really is a fantastic looking watch and with an in house movement too. It’s out of my price range but that is vey good value for money for what you’re getting.
I think I have found one of their previous watches on the web openly stating that they are using a Chinese movement. Basing your own design on an existing movement is absolutely fine, and there are many examples of that. It is just that the tourbillon is a piece of tech that in Japan only Grand Seiko has the technology to develop, and the Chinese have many widely available of various quality levels. Again this is absolutely fine.
I think it would be naive to think that a small independent can commission a custom tourbillon movement from China, produce it in small quantities and still afford to sell it for $2K. At best, it is a lightly modified existing calibre, probably with a bit more skeletonization. The standards for the "Made in Japan" labeling is even less stringent than the "Swiss Made" label, and you should basically expect that almost all the components are made in China, and maybe final assembly or at least quality control is done in Japan.
I'm glad they responded to you and I hope they work with you in the future. I think we're generally cynical because we are used to watch brands being very opaque (or dishonest) about the origin of manufacture and assembly, and so our instinct is that ALL watch brands must be dishonest. I think it is a testament to the quality and value this watch represents that some of your viewers consider it "too good to be true."
So they made a tourbillon movement in Japan and the whole watch only costs 2k? That seems unbelievable. I thought designing new movements cost exorbitant amounts of money. Is this the Christopher Ward effect? Are their margins just substantially slimmer than others in the industry? What piece of the puzzle am I missing here? This seems to good to be true
There was a US study of manufacturing costs that broke everything down and the difference between making an iPhone in the US and China wasn't as big as claimed. My think is It's not like Zeroo are somehow turning out this watch for a few hundred $. The movement may be partially unusual but it's not made of unusual materials or incredibly light/thin/accurate which would all affect the manufacturing/ QA failure and therefore price.
Thank you for what can only be described as due diligence in this matter. I was thinking that this would make an excellent ILW summertime giveaway watch. I bet nobody would be complaining about the watch’s origin then.
I'm guessing they based their design for the movement based on an older pocket watch movement, which would explain the size (my guess, the design was mostly on skeletizing it, maybe the double barrels). So yeah, they can say they designed the thing and how Chinese companies just reverse engineered the design, they have the original movement too.
The fact that they were so squirrely and made you drag info out of them probably means it's much less Japanese than they are telling you. MUCH less lol.
After the sound got fixed, then the clock, it seems the lighting gets dimmer and dimmer, like a green cave! Pay the bill !! OK I'll watch the video now.
thank goodness for 'wish', they are currently selling solid gold moon watch for £133.09. imagine what a fool you would feel if you spent over £40,000 on an 'authorised dealer' watch. I am sure the £133 is just as good. come on Switzerland, what are you thinking about?
neither am I an fan of the printing under the crystal nor of a sterile watch. Couldn't they find a way to put their brand name on one of the bridges or the chapter ring?
I think the everyone really needs to accept that some parts for a lot of Japanese,Swiss brands are going to made in china , so long as the brands are honest if their asked. It,s when they won,t admit it that you feel conned
I think you have to enter into these things with best of faith and... no wait a minute... I want to see a mini-series called ' Gary Goes Japan'... LIARS, I DEMAND A FACTORY TOUR 😂
That movement looks nothing like the cheaper chines tourbillion ones. Their watch is damn sexy and if it holds up 6 years keeping good time you got your moneys worth out of it even if you do not have it serviced.
If Zeroo added the usual luxury Swiss markup for advertising /famous brand influencers/ middlemen the price would be much higher - would that convince some doubters it was legit?
From the sounds of it the watch has more legitimacy to claim it's a Japanese made watch than most Swiss watch makers can claim theirs are "Swiss Made"!
It's hard to design a watch that doesn't have any element of any other watch without creating an absolute turd or something so outlandish that it will only appeal to a handful of customers. After a century of watches it is a bit of a "Simpsons did it!" situation. Good thing they decided to do away with the name on the sapphire, it's just too much. A guilded logo, or some other small thing, might have worked but this distracts too much from the overall design. Personally I'm not too hung up about parts produced in China. If I would be, I'd probably have to walk everywhere my entire life. It's out of my price range but luckily it's too big for me anyway. If it had been a 39 or 40 mm watch it would have been more annoying. I don't know how you recorded this with your chair in hobgoblin mode but well done! I think you looked quite your natural self. 😂
They better NOT make more than 50, as they are advertizing it as a limited edition and asking quite a premium for it. The Indiegogo "donation" for a sterile front crystal version (not unbranded, just without the huge white text on the crystal) is even more than the retail price of the normal version in Japan. Then again, will they skirt the rules by making 50 of each colour combo?
What's with Asians not asking an English speaker how to spell something? Zeroo? What's it a misspell of Zorro? Or Zero? Now did they bills that damn aeroplane of WWII and call it a zero and then spell Zeroo? I don't get it
The research, development, design, construction & assembly are all Japanese. Therefore the watch is too. What do Zeroo have to do to convince anyone, and why should they have to. Does it really matter, as long as it is a good product.
It matters because China is notorious for making good-looking knockoff products that are absolutely atrocious when it comes to actual quality control and aftercare. Also because Zeroo themselves admit that up to the T8 and now T7, all their watches were basically made in China, they were just responsible for design and QC. It's only very recently they got an actual watchmakers workshop up and running to conduct their own assembly and testing. All this is written on their IndieGoGo page and on their Japanese crowdfunding campaign site. They should make a bigger deal of it on their main site, but they simply gloss over it because it would likely hurt their existing lineup. Some of which, frankly, looks like cheap rubbish and is priced accordingly. It does remind me of Christopher Ward in some ways. Finally hit the bigtime but have an existing legacy of experimental cheap look-alikes they'd probably rather we forget about.
The thing you need to ask is is $2100 overpriced and I would say most definitely. Regarding the origin I'm still skeptical, manufacturers of cheap Tourbillons have the whole movement made in China, probably by Peacock, and shipped wherever the final assembly is. Secondly Tourbillons in wrist watches is completely unnecessary. It does nothing for the accuracy of the watch or have any significant benefits, it's purely cosmetic and I repeat what I've said before that if they can knock at least $1,000+ off the price at launch then it's way overpriced to start with, which again suggests it's almost entirely made in China as the Labour costs in Japan would make it significantly more expensive. Then there's the name, if I was dropping that much on a watch I would want a name that I knew and trusted not a weird and wonderful name that is difficult to pronounce. If they fob you off with half truths then it's bull💩.
It happens with old age I’m afraid. I’m also talking about the chair of course… As for the watch, good on them for staying professional and answering all of your questions. Now I’m really going to have to check them out to balance the negative commenters. Thanks as always!🪑
These days, it seems like almost everything is manufactured in China. The crucial aspect to consider is the QC. As long as the materials are good and the QC is well executed, everything else becomes insignificant
Precisely ,Same as iPhones
Credit to Zeroo, and credit to you Gary, sounds legit enough to me, just a shame it's out of my budget, but I wish them much success
Thanks bud, yeah I don’t like leaving these issues unanswered…better to get to the bottom of it and I think I have now
Seiko, citizen, and most swiss made brands have parts made in China, and thats ok for them. I don't see the problem tbh
I couldn’t agree more!
This is the question we should be asking a lot more brands. Good job Gary.
I think it would be in their best interests to send you more of their watches.
You are honest about your reviews and you told them honest conserns from people who love watches.
Asking for clarity is the best way for them show off.
Style with engineering in a package being truly Japanese built regardless of where parts are sourced. In house movement.
If I could I would buy this watch just because if i have questions about before purchasing will be answered.
You deserve to review another.
Thank you…let’s see what happens
Thanks Gary. It's great to see a brand quickly responding to customer concerns. As I said I'm not a skeleton fan but loads of people are and it's a nice watch for people who like those watches!. The only thing about unusual movements is repairability locally. I had a Ciga, not a cheap watch, it was in the early days of that company. They weren't interested in repairing it after it broke and I couldn't find a watch maker to fix it because he couldn't replace the broken part. I think, given what you've been told that the watch is fine. If I was to be a buyer of this watch I would want more information on how easy this watch is to be repaired after the warranty period is up.
Sometimes it is nice to enjoy the sausage without knowing what goes in it.
Do we get too stuck on this stuff sometimes? Gary, thanks for the investigating
and the information.
Thanks for watching….
I do not think they will regret that crystal course correction.
It's nice that they are offering the watch without the branding on the crystal, but I noticed they are offering a smaller discount for the unbranded units, 25% compared to 38% for the regular units. Meaning they effectively are charging you 450 USD to omit the logo.
Excellent work, Gary. This is truly great watch reviewing.
Thank you….glad I went into it to find out once and for all
It really is a fantastic looking watch and with an in house movement too. It’s out of my price range but that is vey good value for money for what you’re getting.
I think I have found one of their previous watches on the web openly stating that they are using a Chinese movement. Basing your own design on an existing movement is absolutely fine, and there are many examples of that. It is just that the tourbillon is a piece of tech that in Japan only Grand Seiko has the technology to develop, and the Chinese have many widely available of various quality levels. Again this is absolutely fine.
Maybe they used a Chinese movement in a previous watch, I can’t comment on that as that isn’t the watch I discussed with them
Would just be nice if it wasnt so damn big. shrink it down to 39 or 40MM and it helps the wearability
Sounds fair enough. I'm glad they are removing the text from the crystal, made it look like a POC piece.
I think it would be naive to think that a small independent can commission a custom tourbillon movement from China, produce it in small quantities and still afford to sell it for $2K. At best, it is a lightly modified existing calibre, probably with a bit more skeletonization. The standards for the "Made in Japan" labeling is even less stringent than the "Swiss Made" label, and you should basically expect that almost all the components are made in China, and maybe final assembly or at least quality control is done in Japan.
So you’re accusing them of lying to us then when they say it’s a movement they designed
I'm glad they responded to you and I hope they work with you in the future. I think we're generally cynical because we are used to watch brands being very opaque (or dishonest) about the origin of manufacture and assembly, and so our instinct is that ALL watch brands must be dishonest. I think it is a testament to the quality and value this watch represents that some of your viewers consider it "too good to be true."
So they made a tourbillon movement in Japan and the whole watch only costs 2k? That seems unbelievable. I thought designing new movements cost exorbitant amounts of money.
Is this the Christopher Ward effect? Are their margins just substantially slimmer than others in the industry?
What piece of the puzzle am I missing here? This seems to good to be true
A hand wind tourbillon isn’t that complicated, don’t believe what the Swiss brands tell you.
There was a US study of manufacturing costs that broke everything down and the difference between making an iPhone in the US and China wasn't as big as claimed. My think is It's not like Zeroo are somehow turning out this watch for a few hundred $. The movement may be partially unusual but it's not made of unusual materials or incredibly light/thin/accurate which would all affect the manufacturing/ QA failure and therefore price.
Thank you for what can only be described as due diligence in this matter. I was thinking that this would make an excellent ILW summertime giveaway watch. I bet nobody would be complaining about the watch’s origin then.
I completely agree! 😂
Your Mondaine wall clock is LIT!! I heard there is a wrist watch in that movement as well.
Storm in a tea cup. From the start it was clear the watch was a killer. Also, enjoying watching your clock’s second hand jumping. Cheers.
Seems to me it's more true to the origin with "Made in Japan" than a lot of the "Swiss Made" models/movements are. Hope that makes sense.
Hurrah! The clock's working.
I'm guessing they based their design for the movement based on an older pocket watch movement, which would explain the size (my guess, the design was mostly on skeletizing it, maybe the double barrels).
So yeah, they can say they designed the thing and how Chinese companies just reverse engineered the design, they have the original movement too.
The fact that they were so squirrely and made you drag info out of them probably means it's much less Japanese than they are telling you. MUCH less lol.
I’m happy that I got to the facts
Hey Gary, will you upload a full review of the watch down the line?
Great video btw😉
The review is live on my main channel now, link in the description
After the sound got fixed, then the clock, it seems the lighting gets dimmer and dimmer, like a green cave! Pay the bill !! OK I'll watch the video now.
Lol
Would love to see you do a review of the new t4-01 and/or the m2. Richard mille-esque for less than 4k would make for a lovely video
thank goodness for 'wish', they are currently selling solid gold moon watch for £133.09. imagine what a fool you would feel if you spent over £40,000 on an 'authorised dealer' watch. I am sure the £133 is just as good. come on Switzerland, what are you thinking about?
Lol
I Wish 😧
The inherent problem with expensive micro watches from the far east is when they go wrong. Big gamble getting any problem resolved methinks.
neither am I an fan of the printing under the crystal nor of a sterile watch. Couldn't they find a way to put their brand name on one of the bridges or the chapter ring?
I think the everyone really needs to accept that some parts for a lot of Japanese,Swiss brands are going to made in china , so long as the brands are honest if their asked. It,s when they won,t admit it that you feel conned
I think you have to enter into these things with best of faith and... no wait a minute... I want to see a mini-series called ' Gary Goes Japan'... LIARS, I DEMAND A FACTORY TOUR 😂
lol…very funny….
Seems legit.
Phrasing! 😄
That movement looks nothing like the cheaper chines tourbillion ones. Their watch is damn sexy and if it holds up 6 years keeping good time you got your moneys worth out of it even if you do not have it serviced.
If Zeroo added the usual luxury Swiss markup for advertising /famous brand influencers/ middlemen the price would be much higher - would that convince some doubters it was legit?
Probably
Credit all around! I will be starting an indiegogo to afford it still 😂 Cheers
😂
If you want value for money, buy a cheap Casio. If you want a nice luxury watch, buy this.
From the sounds of it the watch has more legitimacy to claim it's a Japanese made watch than most Swiss watch makers can claim theirs are "Swiss Made"!
Pump up you chair as much as possible and leave upside down overnight!!
It's hard to design a watch that doesn't have any element of any other watch without creating an absolute turd or something so outlandish that it will only appeal to a handful of customers. After a century of watches it is a bit of a "Simpsons did it!" situation.
Good thing they decided to do away with the name on the sapphire, it's just too much. A guilded logo, or some other small thing, might have worked but this distracts too much from the overall design.
Personally I'm not too hung up about parts produced in China. If I would be, I'd probably have to walk everywhere my entire life.
It's out of my price range but luckily it's too big for me anyway. If it had been a 39 or 40 mm watch it would have been more annoying.
I don't know how you recorded this with your chair in hobgoblin mode but well done! I think you looked quite your natural self. 😂
They are making only 50 non branded watches so they haven't listened very closely to the feedback
It’s a good start
They better NOT make more than 50, as they are advertizing it as a limited edition and asking quite a premium for it. The Indiegogo "donation" for a sterile front crystal version (not unbranded, just without the huge white text on the crystal) is even more than the retail price of the normal version in Japan. Then again, will they skirt the rules by making 50 of each colour combo?
Is the chair made in China?
Maybe have your wife touch the chair, then it will come up?
Wife…..😂 I’ll just play the Pornhub jingle, that’s usually enough 😬
Give it another 10 years or so and that won't come up either. And you can't get that fixed at IKEA.
😂
Do you own this watch ?
I was made in America in the back seat of my dad's car !
Get in touch with me please! I want to buy this watch from you !!!
What's with Asians not asking an English speaker how to spell something? Zeroo? What's it a misspell of Zorro? Or Zero? Now did they bills that damn aeroplane of WWII and call it a zero and then spell Zeroo? I don't get it
The research, development, design, construction & assembly are all Japanese. Therefore the watch is too.
What do Zeroo have to do to convince anyone, and why should they have to.
Does it really matter, as long as it is a good product.
It matters to many….i think knowing though is good
It matters because China is notorious for making good-looking knockoff products that are absolutely atrocious when it comes to actual quality control and aftercare. Also because Zeroo themselves admit that up to the T8 and now T7, all their watches were basically made in China, they were just responsible for design and QC. It's only very recently they got an actual watchmakers workshop up and running to conduct their own assembly and testing. All this is written on their IndieGoGo page and on their Japanese crowdfunding campaign site. They should make a bigger deal of it on their main site, but they simply gloss over it because it would likely hurt their existing lineup. Some of which, frankly, looks like cheap rubbish and is priced accordingly. It does remind me of Christopher Ward in some ways. Finally hit the bigtime but have an existing legacy of experimental cheap look-alikes they'd probably rather we forget about.
I'm the first
Waduuuuuuuup
The thing you need to ask is is $2100 overpriced and I would say most definitely. Regarding the origin I'm still skeptical, manufacturers of cheap Tourbillons have the whole movement made in China, probably by Peacock, and shipped wherever the final assembly is. Secondly Tourbillons in wrist watches is completely unnecessary. It does nothing for the accuracy of the watch or have any significant benefits, it's purely cosmetic and I repeat what I've said before that if they can knock at least $1,000+ off the price at launch then it's way overpriced to start with, which again suggests it's almost entirely made in China as the Labour costs in Japan would make it significantly more expensive. Then there's the name, if I was dropping that much on a watch I would want a name that I knew and trusted not a weird and wonderful name that is difficult to pronounce. If they fob you off with half truths then it's bull💩.
It happens with old age I’m afraid. I’m also talking about the chair of course…
As for the watch, good on them for staying professional and answering all of your questions. Now I’m really going to have to check them out to balance the negative commenters. Thanks as always!🪑
lol….always a pleasure….when it comes up