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Stargate HD Blu-ray vs. DVD Comparisons - SG-1 Upscaled to 1080p
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- STARGATE SG-1 has needed a high-definition release on Blu-ray disc for years now. The show finished its 10-year run in 2007, but SG-1 was never released in 1080p to own on home media ... until now. Visual Entertainment has delivered the show on Blu-ray for the first time. But it's not a proper remaster - instead, the show has been upscaled.
We're doing side-by-side comparisons here for all 10 seasons of the show. Seasons 1-3 were filmed on 16mm film; Seasons 4-7 were on 35mm film. Only with Season 8 did the show's production switch to digital HD cameras. So the upscaling and "super clean picture" from VEI have different degrees of success from one season to the next.
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Great review, would like to see the Atlantis and Universe comparisons as well.
Good job
Thanks
How is the sound? I have seen multiple reviews about the sound being terrible.
@@TheTwelfthWizard Yes I am curious about the sound as well. I obtained an episode from a not-so-legal source, which specifically stated it was in 5.1 audio, as I wanted to compare it to the current DVDs. It could be the Blu-Ray rip wasn't done properly, but this is what I got:
-When I play the episode on my desktop PC (which is only stereo speakers, so it gets downsampled), I only get audio from my left speaker. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
-When I play the episode on my media center PC (which is running through a Onkyo Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD capable amp with 5.1 speakers, and I let the amp do the audio decoding, not the media center PC), I get audio from all the speaker channels but it is the same audio on all speakers, dialog is present on all the channels and not just the center channel, there is absolutely no surround sound effect at all. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
So I am scared to jump the gun on this set if they messed up the 5.1 audio but the problem is I don't know if it's the Blu-Ray version that is the issue, or the person that ripped it and put it online didn't properly process the audio for it.
I would really like to see a reviewer that is familiar with digital audio formats and has a proper 5.1 amp for decoding Dolby / DTS verify if there is the audio issues I mentioned. I tried downloading an episode from a season here and there (yes I know I shouldn't get illegal shows and I am 100% wanting to buy this box-set but I have to make sure the publisher didn't mess it up, it's expensive!) and the same issue is always present, but it could just be the rip is messed up.
I guess for now until I know for sure I will stick with the DVD release. I find audio just as important as the picture and I will gladly live with a slightly more grainy picture if it means I get an immersive 5.1 surround audio experience when I crank up my amp for the fantastic on-screen action this show has!
@@patrick3876 I agree. I just ordered it, so I’ll come back and let you know if it’s all of it. I have a lot of free time so it won’t take long to sample a bunch of the episodes.
I did see in a couple reviews that the sound source is mislabeled on the disc though. The 2.0 is actually the 5.1 and vice versa, at least for the first 3 seasons or so. I’ll find out. I also hear they are quietly fixing it on their newest re-prints of the set. But that’s only from one reviewer. But I agree. Sound is just as important as picture, and I’ve never been too bothered with my DVD collection. But my curiosity has driven me crazy enough that I need to know for myself about the Blu Ray.
Worth getting: Yes
Will it replace my DVDs?: No
"Carter I can see my house"
Someone needs to find those film masters and do a legitimate remaster
You need to 4K scan the 16mm and 35mm film reels frame by frame. Than you need to try to make a frame exact 4K remaster. This is A LOT OF WORK.
@Bill Zoeker
: the masters are created from the original film negatives so what are you talking about? Like Daisy Duckface said you need to rescan all of the film then make sure you get the correct scenes and try to redo all of the post-production as accurate as possible.
@@alexmorph3us well that's what I meant
@@daisyduck8593 maybe if they get the new series off the ground 🤞
@@BillZoeker Yeah with a new stargate series stargate will maybe become very famous... Let's hope for it...
its certainly given everything a warmer hue, the golds look fantastic and the colours are so much more vivid. both versions look good, but this has more made me crave a real re-master rather than made me want to go buy the blu-rays
Colours look way more natural, much easier on your eyes. Side to side, original DVD's kinda gave me a headache.
When AI advances properly I hope someone remasters the actual originals, not the garbage bluray
This was like watching more than 10 years of my life in flashbacks. Memories of times so rough… But a new episode of SG-1 seemed to make it just a little better somehow. With my eyes open, ... I can see the difference. But with my eyes closed,… I’m on the team. And my memories are all in 4K baby.
That's a beautiful comment.
Thanks for this wonderful comment.
Initial reaction when swiping from dvd to blu-ray, "OMG it all turned pink!" Swipes back to dvd, "OMG it all turned yellow!" Thank you for making this. Convinced me to get it. The colors look more natural to me on the blu-ray. Plus I have many random episodes that are scratched on my dvds. I have never had a blu-ray that got scratched, so this seems worth it to me.
oh yes that's terrible, skipping dvd's. I got that on my original box set too on a number of ex's,, must've played sg1 over and over again into oblivion '_)
Yellow? humm, i was thinking it was more greenish. but yeah, the Blue-ray looks so much better colored then those DVDs
I suppose he just does not color manage DVD.
How much is the blu ray set??
DVDs and Blurays can be resurfaced to correct scratches.
You have no idea how important this video ended up being to me haha. This started a domino effect that has now come to it's conclusion here with me returning here to the video. I had always yearned for a blu-ray release of SG-1, but having watched the series many times on DVD I had kind of moved off of the show long ago, I would occasionally check on the blu-ray news for SG-1 but there was never anything and eventually I guess I stopped looking and forgot all about it... Enter this video popping up on my recommended about a year and a half ago. There it was the news that SG-1 had in fact now had a Blu-ray release, this made me very very excited indeed and I ordered and imported the set from the US to the UK, (the upscaling looked like an ok improvement but the main reason for my excitement and the reason I had considered just importing a US DVD set in the past was that the UK DVDs and episodes played 5% too fast and that included a faster and higher pitched audio track, this is cos uk PAL DVDs play at 25 fps and film is at 24, so they speed it up etc etc anyway). It arrived and finally I binge watched and completed all of SG-1 again and I was extremely happy with the way it now looked and now with the series in this shape looking good enough when I moved into a shared house with my friends for our second and third years of University I showed the series to them and we watched all of SG-1 that year, and not just that we loved it so much that we even got out the watch order spreadsheet and for the first time even for me we watched all of Stargate: Atlantis, a show I had always put off and had never watched and what a great great show. Even with that concluded we moved on, onto a show I originally never had any intention of watching even by myself, but there we moved onto the final show. Earlier we finished the final episode of Stargate: Universe, I got very teary eyed with the final shot of what is to this date the final shot of the Stargate franchise, I never watched it because I never wanted it to end and now it is over, very bittersweet.
And so I thank you as in a roundabout way this is all because of you. It is funny how these sort of things can happen, and how theres an alternate reality version of someone, like me, who would have never watched this video and everything would be totally different for them now and there would be people out there who had never seen Stargate who now have and I would likely have never seen the two spin offs. Never know what will come from something you post or do or say but it has had an effect.
P.S. yes we watched Origins some time ago as well and yh we all thought it was an abomination and we do not speak of it lol.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this!
I don't only want to get this set, I MUST HAVE IT IN MY COLLECTION!!!!!
Nothing makes me more happy than any kind of remastering or upscaling of my favourite shows, it's like a whole new experience watching them again and thus renews the multiple bing watching
So true, but I must add, when done correctly. After watching Star Trek a million times, I found the remastered version quite satisfying. And well worth the cost.
Would be interesting to see a full HD scan of the original film scanned in.
if they gonna scan the film at some point, they better take straight to 4K, at least the 35mm film stock lends itself perfectly for that, for the older seasons shot on 16mm, they would need to do some extra digital shenanigans, but it's still doable, at cost, that's the only problem, an actual remaster takes time and loads of money unfortunately ;_(
@@DaveFlash No they wouldn't. 16mm film, or any film can be scanned at whatever resolution you want. It's just that you reach a point where you won't get any more detail out of it.
Indeed
Nope. You lose all graphic FXs.
What's the point to look at a sharp image of Teal'c with a jaffa staff that do nothing? Or a space battle that is just a black screen?
There is no such thing. Meaning, there is no one single continuous piece of film for any single episode. VFX would have been composited into a piece of film, live action shots into another, all made up from various "types" of film. This is why all the individual pieces have to be scanned, scaled, and completely re-edited as if the episode had just been shot. This is how Star Trek The Next Generation was done, including recreating all the VFX from scratch. And unfortunately, even for a show of that magnitude, it turned out to not be cost-effective, and other shows like Deep Space Nine and Voyager will likely never get that treatment because of it. The same applies to Stargate. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for it to justify doing it.
Excited to finally have at least an upscale. Something we still don’t have for ds9 or voyager. Won’t be buying it right away but one day I will. I really appreciate the comparison thank you!
Perfect this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. There was some controversy I saw in other comments and forums but the blu-ray seems to be worth it looking at your video. I wish it was all shot on 35mm so we could have a true 4k some day. If someone actually spent the money to remaster the affects too. But with the last 3 seasons shot digitally that means those would have to be upscaled. And anything on 16mm is lost to that too. I'm going to pick up the blu-rays, sure it's not the perfect situation but it's the best we can expect for now and probably a long time.
It's not perfect but any stretch. But I will reiterate that with some additional hardware upscaling (in my case, an LG 4k television) it looks terrific. Better than what I captured here, which just used a Blu-ray player and a capture card.
The hardware is also going to do the color- correction needed for the local display.
So good comparison video ! Many thanks !
Thank you for making this video! I've been on the fence about getting the new Blu-rays because of the heavy DNR, but it honestly doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely an improved image!
I'm pleased with the picture. Add in the 4K upscaling that my LG television does and they look great.
The shot where O'Neil enters the gate room and starts firing on the super-soldier from Avatar in Season 8 shows some clear interlacing artifacts. It's the only one I noticed, but it appears that they might not have had a 1080p source.
I would also recommend for comparison videos like this to upload in 1440p or even 4k just so that youtube compression doesn't make it so difficult to see the differences in picture and so that the blu ray detail is seen in full.
I definitely learned a lot making this video!
Hi, how comes there are two different versions of Stargate SG-1 on blu ray. They seem to have done a rerelease with slightly different artwork, now a lighter blue and in front of the stargate, still with Jonas. But before the blu ray had the same artwork as the DVD darker blue and inside the stargate. Do you have an idea what and why that is and if the discs are any different, and VEI now advertise 5.1 audio on the website for it, and don't for the DVD version or the big Bluray boxset with all three shows? It's just confusing and wondering about it?
After the release and initial reviews VEI did make those changes you mention ... but we have no idea if the contents of the discs were altered in any way. So I would assume they are not any different.
VEI has ignored our repeated attempts to contact them to get questions answered (or even to help promote the release through our coverage).
took some work- but managed to combine the 5.1 audio from the DVDs with the upscale video from blu rays.
Absolutely picking up the BluRay set of all of the Stargate franchises 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video.
I noticed when the supergate was activated the gate itself DID in fact look like native 1080p that was the only time I could tell.. or indicated it was not just 480/576p upscaled to 1080p in the later seasons... also samatha carters pupet hair from the puppet episode
I can’t say I love the fact that the skin tone changes to “pink” or “purple” depending on which actor is on screen.
it changes from yellow to natural. It only looks pink because we are used to seeing the yellow tint. It has been color corrected.
Yeah they went a little too far. I compared it to some other skin tones and it definitely has too much red and purple. It's not a nice natural skin tone.
Note that a modern TV is going to have some color correction to optimize for its own display. This capture is more "raw" in that it isn't benefitting from any hardware corrections other than what my old Sony Blu-ray player is doing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I noticed quite a few comments about the color, and I was very confused as I didn't recall mine looking quite so yellow. So I checked, and the ones I have from 'the same' fancy box set that you also show off (but PAL region.. the vertical resolution is 576) is not at all so yellow. I don't know if I can post links, so please see imgur album /a/LSb9apm .. ignore the differences in crispness (I'm sure UA-cam didn't do your video any favors) and focus only on the color. The color in my set looks just fine.. a smidge better than the Blu-ray one even? (follow-up comment to contain link, but might get filtered)
@@PanoWorks That's helpful, thanks. Your top Bra'tac pic looks a bit green on my current display. But I think the coloration here is going to be rather heavily dependent upon hardware (the player and the display). My capture card might be futzing with the image a little bit, but with everything I have run through it it's more likely that my DVD player isn't awesome with color.
I've heard there was missing content on the Blurays for the earlier seasons in the way of the audio selections. Something about the original DVDs having the proper surround sound tracks while the Bluray versions omitted them or did a shoddy conversion or something?
thanks, image is a tad bit clearer and somehow the color profile changed. I can do the upscale myself via software.
I bought this set, for me season 1-3 looks so much better on the blu rays than the DVDs
I've looked into Machine learning for upscaling. It would be possible to take the last few seasons of SG-1 and train the AI using that source material. I assume it would work even better because the image structure of the last few seasons would have relevance in the earlier seasons. You'd have to train your own AI image upscaler specifically for SG-1. I want to try this eventually and see how it turns out.
To properly train these things, you need a crap load of source material.
Even then (along with the likes of Voyager, DS9 etc), the initial quality is lacking so much that it's never going to be any better than what you can get from already existing options (that have been trained using a far far far far more extensive video library) like Video Enhance etc.
Thanks for the review. I’m buying this release, I never picked up the series on dvd. I’d been holding off buying it because I knew later seasons were filmed in hd and wanted a physical media copy. This fits the bill, while I want a complete series remaster the cost involved has convinced me waiting longer is unlikely to produce what I want.
I'm watching the blurays in a UHD TV and the difference is astounding. I can know enjoy the cinematograpy, the clever camera work, the details in the background of the scene, truly appreciate the work of the production crew and the directors. The only weird parts are some scenes with VFX where the live action scenes don't scale up well and are very blurry. But anyway, a fantastic improvement.
Thanks a lot, this is really helpful in the decision making process.
Glad we could help!
1:45 that’s why I still use my PS3 so much...play my DVDs throug it and going through HDMI onto the large plasma screen tv...it doesn’t seem to suffer...cos hardware upscale to 720p I believe...
You have convinced me. 😊
I just ordered the complete collection via Amazon. Also ordered copies of TAOT and Continuum, which I didn't have on Blu-Ray, yet, to complete the set. Haven't seen the show in a while, so This seems a good reason to rewatch it again. Maybe even introduce it to my significant other.
Next to Star Trek and Babylon 5 (and Star Wars), STARGATE was my jam.
I notice with the BD version for testing purposes (S1-E1) the scenes are longer, you notice especially in the intro ( the first 5min) when they are playing cards, I can't find anything on google if there is a different in EU and USA versions?!
It will depend what you are comparing it to. There are (at least) three different cuts of SG-1's pilot movie: the original Showtime version (with nudity), the trimmed and edited syndication version (without nudity), and the 2009 producer's "Final Cut." The Blu-ray set has the first of these. If you're comparing it to something like Hulu, Hulu has the syndication version.
So what about the special features is it all there from the DVDs?
I live in Belgium. But sg1 in blu ray is not avaible yet :( only dvd
Problem is the 90's early 2000 vfx laden tv shows we all love used a 480p digital intermediate to incorporate the effects into digital editors to cut costs and improve production times so even if you could get the original 35mm film stock and rescan it to 4k/1080p you then have to reincorporate the vfx shots manually over the top (=costly!!). However there have been some interesting results using ai upscaling to improve over the standard sharpening passes and dnr these re releases normally get (hopefully in not too distant future tvs themselves will auto ai upscale lower resolution images for us!). Great video though!!
Remastering VFX is just too darn expensive.
Man.. this is a solid candidate for the DS9UP treatment...
I respectfully disagree. This just shows that upscaling isn't enough. I can't see myself spending money on this when I already have the DVDs. Now, if they did a true remaster (a la TNG), I'd be happy to buy both SG-1 and DS9 again.
Fans are already producing SG-1 upscales, but none have been very good so far.
Are there subtitles on these earlier seasons? They weren't present on the original releases.
I didn't have an old DVD collection as I only recently started watching the series via stream. So I got the big BD box set of all three series, then bought the two SG1 movies.
Overall it does look better but at the same time I'm not fond of the amount of purple in the scenes. A lot of the people look like they have a high fever. In some scenes they do look better. Not sure if I'll get the BR version just yet.
dvd looks like they have jaundice sometimes lol
The DVD captures here definitely look greenish, and the Blu-ray captures more reddish. But note that modern TVs are going to also do some color correction to optimize it for your display. When I pop these discs in and play them on my LG 4K television they don't look red at all.
Slight correction, HD video does not have higher quality (in terms of resolution) than 35 mm. However, previously the first scanned the 35 mm to get a SD digital source which they then used to edit the episodes. If you actually wanted to turn the show HD, you could do that by scanning the original camera negatives and re-editing them together and is actually usually done when you see a film being "restored". Shows like Friends, Sex and the City or The X-Files, which aren't very VFX heavy habe actually done that, but with sci fi shows like SG-1 the problem is usually the VFX which have to be painstakingly recomposited (which is difficult and time-consuming) and also involves usually recreating many of the digital models which have usually been discarded. Star Trek The Next Generation did one such remaster and it looks amazing, but the show didn't require the recreation of many digital effects and... it also was a massive Money loss for the company at the time.
Yes, that's right -- the HD upscale improves on the quality of the SD resolution taken from the original film. As you say MGM could remaster the series from the film (as TNG did), but this is still prohibitively expensive -- which I think is why they went the upscaling route instead.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think an alternative would be to do what Warner did with B5: remaster all the footage without VFX and upscale the rest. B5 looks inconsistent but still pretty great and much better than on the DVDs.
But from what I see here, the upscales on Stargate look pretty decent. I bought the big box set with all 17 seasons and figured: 10 out of 17 will be true HD, so the math worked for me.
I think I may try it. Thanks!
What about the special features and commentaries, are they still the same?
They're upscaled as well.
Hey, Taylor! I saw an early report that the bonus features were also upscaled, but from the ones I have looked at so far they most definitely have NOT. After watching upscaled episodes they're pretty rough.
The bonus features and commentaries all appear to be here, with the exception of "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown" -- the first SCI FI Channel special that aired prior to Season 7. That's on the DVD Collector's Edition but has been left out here (I assume for space reasons).
I watched "Small Victories" with the audio commentary last week and had a lot of fun. :)
Sky One started their HD simulcast in time for SG-1 season 10, which was 1080i
Does it get rid of the black bars on the side that’s the most important thing
Both the DVD and Blu-ray editions are in 16:9 widescreen, yes.
@GateWorld, could do a favor and check you green settings on the dvd player ... it is just to off scale. Or try to watch it on your blue-ray player of the greenish look is still there?
There's a shot near the end of the video (of Sha're, from "Forever In a Day") that compares the scene from a DVD player and the same disc played in the Blu-ray player. The color is noticably improved, as well as the picture being upscaled.
I'd say the color may be coming mainly from my old DVD player. But it's always a "you mileage may vary" situation -- your player and display will manage the color space to try and optimize the picture.
@@GateWorldDotNet thanks for your reply, i was expecting something like that indeed.
Do you think that the picture on these Blu rays are better than what's offered on streaming options for Stargate?
I do -- but not by a lot, unless like me you have a 4K television that adds further upscaling. My next picture comparison video will be for the streaming services (though with the shows recently leaving Amazon Prime, I'm not sure I'll do it right away -- though I did make sure to capture a bunch of footage before Amazon took them down).
If you have a good 4K TV, go Blu-ray. Otherwise, you'll get a good picture from Amazon Prime ... when Stargate comes back.
Avoid Netflix and Hulu, at least for the first four seasons or so. The picture is 4:3 and the resolution is, TBH, trash.
Will be interesting to see how this looks through my 4k bluray player that also upscales & my Samsung TV which can do dynamic color contrast.
Have you had a chance to try it?
Just watched the entire series ,could gave used this two months ago.Some episodes are just unwatchable now.so it definitely worth it if you are a fan.
the image does look better. I will probably get it soon but there is nothing on the sound? is it still dolby surround like the DVD's or they DTS HD? anyone who as it can confirm? thanks
This particular video is aimed at picture comparisons, and is not a full review. I don't have the hardware set up right now to test the audio, but multiple reports are that the 5.1 surround option (listed on the disc menus, but fortunately not on the packaging or marketing material) is botched. It looks as though, after Season 1, VEI discarded the 5.1 mix from the DVDs and faked a surround mix by spreading the stereo channels around.
So you'll get a standard Dolby stereo mix, but no surround sound -- and certainly no HD audio.
Not available in UK :(
Hello I think the picture with bluray is better too, but in Germany there is currently only the DVD version to buy and this bluray box only has English sound
How's the audio on the bluray? I read a review saying that the 5.1 audio for season 1 is good but for seasons 2-10, the 5.1 audio is better on DVD. Does it help if you have a soundbar?
You'll get a good stereo mix from this set, but you should not buy it for a true 5.1 surround sound. Season 1 evidently has it (strangely, because that was the only season in the original DVD releases that did not), but the rest of SG-1 does not.
That said, I've seen at least one person online suggest that VEI *might* have fixed this. They did add "5.1 audio" to the SG-1 boxed set listing on their Web site. But it's a total crap shoot to buy the discs now and see if the audio was fixed, as VEI has never responded to any of our inquiries.
@GateWorld, did they upscale this when you could watch Stargate Command awhile back? I never noticed a difference
when jumping to Amazon to watch the show. Maybe I just wasn't paying that much attention to detail.
I don't know for certain if Stargate Command had the new upscaled episodes for streaming -- but I don't think so. I didn't become aware of its existence until early 2020 (after SGC closed) when it was being broadcast on an HD channel in Europe.
When I asked MGM in 2017 what quality SG Command would be streaming, they said, "The best possible." FWIW. I don't think the upscaled episodes existed yet.
Awesome video dude an yes for both I for one want to see what it look like now.
Thanks, John!
@@GateWorldDotNet your welcome bub an I meant for all of us I think we do want to see comparisons of SGA and SGU for this set.
The skin tones are different. I can't say which version is right, since I don't have calibrated screen, but I like the DVD colours better...
Glad to see an attempt was made to bring SG-1 to Blu-Ray! I do think that they need to find the camera negatives or camera positives and attempt a full HD remaster of the series. The series deserves it.
A note on the review. I have the DVD boxed set ripped to Plex, and I don't see all of the yellowing that this review shows in the colors. It's possible something was off wirh the capture or ripping which was being done for the video comparison. Perhaps a color space translation issue or a hue issue.
I have noticed with the Seasons 8 - 10 copies, they look to be upscales / clean-ups of what was given to SyFi or Streaming services. Likewise if you look at the Atlantis Blu-Rays, shots of Atlantis / SG-1 cross-overs that were used in both shows, look far better on the Atlantis boxed set. Likewise for the SG-1 cross-over movies.
I am not sure whether I will get this on blu ray, I am debating, don’t get me wrong I love stargate sg1, but it worries me on the how they did on the show, from what I could see it made some things lighter and that was it, it still not sure
I own most of Stargate on VHS &/or DVD Standard Rental Distribution Packaged as well as some DVD Series Packaged.
The rental packaged DVDs were a mix of new & second hand Video Ezy, but I don't have all the episodes as Graham was closing the rental franchise one store a week while Stargate SG-1 was still in production.
I would like to complete the set with the series I don't have but I'm not sure if they're available in Australia.
This also applies to Stargate Atlantis & Stargate Universe.
I'd like to have the whole of each series.
Great video. Thanks for showing it. But I don't see a big difference to be honest.
It would be better if they would ask the fans to choose 5-10 episodes from season 1-7 (like Children of the gods, Torment of Tantalus, The Fifth Race, Nemesis, Windows of Opportunity, The Lost City 1-2) then make the true conversion for these selected fan favorites and then release those digitally or on Blue-ray. So they could test the waters if fans are willing to pay for these updated versions without risking too much. Maybe the new owner would invest into it. I would like to see definately a Lost City, part 1-2 extended with Avalon battle sequences.
SG:U season 2 has never been released on Blu-ray before, so I'll be picking that up. Personally I don't think the difference is worth the hassle. Have you done a comparison of the special features? Anything extra/missing there?
Also I've seen comments that the audio tracks aren't labelled correctly on the earlier seasons, so Stereo is actually 5.1 and vice versa. Can you confirm that?
The SG-1 set is missing "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown," the first special that aired on SCI FI Channel ahead of Season 7. Otherwise everything seems to be here. Nothing new was produced.
I am not currently set up to confirm the audio tracks, but I've seen multiple reports online that the 5.1 surround is completely botched. After Season 1 VEI appears to have mixed the stereo tracks to 5 channels. Fortunately they don't actually list 5.1 as a selling point, or on the package; they really should have removed it from the menu if they couldn't port it over from the DVD releases properly.
It’s been confirmed now via multiple sources that the Season 1 5.1 tracks are excellent. NOTE that the original Season 1 DVDs did not include 5.1 mixes, so this is a welcome addition. However, the Seasons 2 through 10 5.1 mixes are all botched. For those seasons you should choose the (default) Stereo mixes and let your A/V Receiver simulate the surround via their Pro-Logic II decoders. Nobody knows why they just didn’t just use the 5.1 mixes that were included with the DVDs. It’s been speculated that using the original mixes may have caused some lip sync issues due to all of the video processing. But that doesn’t explain Seasons 8 through 10 which shouldn’t have required as much processing.
@@lovetheblue6659 When you say botched, what are the issues?
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 In the 5.1 mix, each of the five channels contains the stereo mix, not the individual left/right/center/rear left & right tracks.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 - VEI apparently attempted to create 5.1 mixes from the available stereo mixes. In theory this should have been possible with professional grade PL-II decoders optimized for movie mode, and this is quite possibly what they did to create the Season One 5.1 mixes. However, they apparently set up the decoders wrong for the remaining seasons and/or used different equipment. The end result is rather bizarre, with, apparently, the right stereo track discretely being fed to the surround speakers; while the left track is being fed to the right front, center channel, and left front. So no split surrounds and no front separation is available from these so-called 5.1 mixes. Even the most basic home PL-II decoding circuit can do a much better job of creating a surround effect from the stereo tracks, so just forget that the 5.1 mixes on these discs exist for seasons 2-10. (And VEI doesn’t advertise them as being available, so perhaps it was a mistake that they were even included?)
Do these still have the black boxes on the sides of the screen?
No, both the DVD and Blu-ray releases are in 16:9 widescreen. (You'll only see the black boxes -- called pillar boxing -- on TV and streaming.)
Thanks for the video
Definitely would love to see a comparison for Atlantis (DVD VS new Blu Ray, old Blu Ray VS new Blu Ray).
cant currently watch in the us for some reason....?
Many thanks - here in the UK we would never have known this was available (and in the UK it actually isn't, and I am hoping I don't get screwed over with import fees).
Ordered. This will replace my DVD sets, although they will still be kept.
Okay, I followed the original link to the order page at Amazon - only to be told that I was 'outside the shipping range for this item' and it pointed me to another page with the same item on offer so I bought it as they would ship to the UK. They arrived yesterday and when I opened them all I found was a box full of DVD's. DVD-Video on the packaging, DVD-Video logos - so I am returning the set unopened. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. So if you are in the UK this product is not actually available, it seems.
I Wonder if they will ever release it on 4k!
This is great! And again, this is why story and writing is more important than vfx. Effects can be updated, remade, upscaled or whatever. But story stays the same. A test of time, shall we say.
So the Amazon Prime version of SG1 is equivalent to this Blu-ray Release in terms of upscaling/image quality?
It's the closest we have in streaming right now (when Amazon is streaming SG-1), but it's not equivalent. The streaming undergoes another compression pass, unlike what is running from a physical disc. So the disc should look better to most people.
Which version of the Pilot episode is on this release?
It's the original Showtime pilot (with nudity).
The video files on the DVDs are also heavily compressed to fit, the video files they used for the bluray probably wouldnt of just been dvd rips they would of been the files that were originally used when they made the 35mm conversion before compressing them to DVD. So still low res but less compressed.
What about sound track ???
Does the content come only in English or is it also available in the translated versions? My dad watches them in French and there's no mention of the languages available.
As far as I can tell this VEI Blu-ray release only has English available.
You mentioned something about the sound quality not being as good as these in the unboxing video, or perhaps a post on the site, which you perhaps expanded on there (I didn't get all the way through it, as I thought it was mostly going to be about the quality of the packaging, which I wasn't as interested in, as I'd just rip all these to my Plex server). Did you expand on the audio issue more somewhere?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched.
Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this.
It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@@GateWorldDotNet Thanks! Yeah, I have that same set as your old DVD set, and the first season's sound was sadly not up to par, but the remaining seasons were fantastic. I think if this new set had at least that sound quality I'd consider getting it. Really important to me.
@John The missing 5.1 surround is really the main reason I wouldn't recommend this release to everyone. For those who don't have a surround system (and don't plan to), it's perfectly fine.
The degree of improvements is maybe a coin toss for those who already own everything on DVD, and are enjoying hardware upscaling from a Blu-ray player and/or a good television. But for those who don't own the show already, and don't care about surround sound, I'm definitely recommending it.
Well it is greatly improved from the DVD version (but that's pretty bad by today's standards anyway), but nothing to write home about, and most certainly nothing draw dropping. The colors are better saturated, but still missing any textures especially in the fabrics or detail in the darker areas.
Also, I couldn't help but notice you didn't mention anything regarding the audio, since improving audio greatly enhances the viewing experience. Did they add any level of surround sound, or is it still just standard stereo?
I can't seem to find these in Europe, though.
Could be interesting to see the diferences on the Atlantis series. Is much modern and maybe the upscale from the dvds is noticible.
Thanksss youuu!! Great job n.n
Kinda wish some of the comparisons were just split screen instead of wipes. But very good comparison otherwise. Also, it might be due to the way you captured it, or the compression you chose prior to uploading to youtube. But I'm not getting any of the grain even in the DVD. I know from ripping the occasional episode to my computer that the grain is definitely there in the 480p, but here everything is looking rather smoothed out :/
And your statement at 11:26, between season 7 and season 8 is a little misleading. 35mm is generally regarded as a higher quality medium than 1080p, for example 4K scans from 35mm are the norm. What really changed is how they were mastering the shows (the final export). Starting in season 8 the entire pipeline was 1080p. Whereas before their film scans from the film lab were only SD.
Definitely looks like at least seasons 9 and 10, they used the 1080p masters. Season 8 it was hard to tell if the improvement in quality was as drastic as in 9 and 10.
I would be curious to see a blu-ray to blu-ray comparison of Atlantis.
Thanks, Ian. I attempted some still split-screens, and ended up finding a bug that crashed my editor over and over again. So I had to forego it to get the video done.
You're right about the scanning and editing process too, of course. There are so many steps in production (and making UA-cam videos!) where picture quality will be affected. The switch from film to digital was dramatic for production for many reasons, but at the end of the day I suppose the most important was what was being provided to the editor and what the editor was exporting with his final picture lock.
@@GateWorldDotNet and I do wanna be clear that you did a great job! It's a very well done review. Much much much better than anything I've seen. It's well produced and put together
@@IanZainea1990 Thanks, my friend! Learning more every time I put one together.
Thanks for going to so much trouble to make this video. I hate to be a negative nelly but I feel like if the remastering is going to cost that much, they're probably never going to do it. 10 seasons is just too many and this is Stargate, not Star Wars or even Star Trek. I'll bet the studio probably thinks it's not worth the time, effort or cost. This is probably as good as it gets and the picture quality is much better (but anything is better than the show's picture quality in syndication, the picture quality for the episodes on Comet is utterly horrible).
It's a real shame because while it was on Stargate was MGM's second biggest franchise - second only to James Bond... BOND! I get that it'd be difficult but on the other hand it's a sci-fi show. How about they be like "We need volunteers to scan and edit these film." Get a production house to do colour grading etc to make sure the episodes look consistent. Audio would probably need to be done 'properly.'
Such a shame. I'm probably going to give these a skip. Maybe one day I'll cave and get them, but their corner cutting here has cost them some $$ from me. Probably still profitable for them, though.
Yes, would love to see a comparison on Atlantis
I'm up to Season 5 on the new Blu Ray set, and I'm VERY happy with it. It looks noticeably better than the DVD set. The colors are stronger (and more accurate), and the picture is sharper. The only negative aspect of the picture quality is a slightly excessive use of DNR. With DNR a little goes a long way. When this set was remastered (and, YES, it was remastered - it just wasn't restored shot by shot like Star Trek was) the technicians used a little too much DNR. Not a lot too much, just a little. Some shots look AMAZING, while others just look passable (by Blu Ray standards). Overall, the picture quality is definitely better than the old DVD's in multiple ways. The first couple of seasons not only had heavy film grain (because of the film stock it was shot on), but it had digital noise from a fairly poor DVD mastering job. That's a HORRIBLE combination. So while the first couple of seasons have a little too much DNR, that is still preferable to the heavy, heavy film grain PLUS the digital noise on the DVD's. I definitely recommend this set for fans of the show.
I'm hooked. Just wish one thing, there could be a brightness setting. Trouble seeing with darker lighting.
A good, modern display will help here -- and also with the color correction. My LG television also adds some 4K upscaling, and these Blu-rays look much better there than they do here on my PC where these clips were captured without the additional hardware processing.
My favorite SciFi show bar none. My second favorite is SG: Atlantis. I have watched my DVDs over and over and over again. I think I go through each of them once or twice per year while I work out on my treadmill. Great show. I am not sure I need the BluRay versions but I would definitely pay for a remastered version some day.
The "sunburned" look of the skin is distracting during the comparisons. However, you would not really notice it and/or if you did, it would start to look normal after a few shows. So don't let that be the decision maker. Blu-Ray is always nice, less space, make a copy and store the originals safely away.
We watch the DVDs on a upscaled Blu-ray player. I wonder how much better that new version would be. Our image is already tweaked by our machine and isn't grainy or yellow.
8:35 “Carter...I can see my house!”
Love it
It's difficult to get over the loss of warmth in the flesh tones when you swipe from DVD to 'Blu-Ray' (in quotation marks because really pseudo-BD). However, VEI has you over a barrel when it comes to the array of bonus features. That might be worth a video segment of its own. Verdict: Getting the 'Blu-Ray' eventually but hanging onto my 'fat box' DVDs.
Those final seasons definitely look like native HD to me
I got all 3 sets, and to my eye, they all look better than the old discs. Even Blu-ray to Blu-ray.
I have that exact same capture card, its a capture card with very noticable degredation so keep that in mind.
I’d be down to watch future comparisons of Atlantis and Universe, as well as comparing fan upscales to 4K and higher frame rates to the Blu-Rays
Atlantis is already released in native 1080p on blu ray. Same with Universe Season 1. Universe Season 2 was released in HD on streaming. I'm willing to bet that there will be nearly no difference except for Universe Seasson 2, which will benefit from a higher blu ray bit rate.
@@kevmitchify only one way to find out
I'll have to get my hands on some DVDs again -- my SGA DVDs were damaged or lost. But my guess is that VEI has the same 1080p episodes that they have applied a DNR pass to. So that's probably most of what we'd be looking at in a side-by-side comparison: artifact smoothing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I’d bet we’d also see smoother frame rates too. Also sorry to hear about that.
What's your opinion on ppl saying that certain seasons on the blu ray set have bad audio?
I don't have a 5.1 audio system set up to test this, but what I have read is that the flaw here is that VEI took 2-channel stereo mixes for SG-1 and put them on the discs as 5.1 surround. If true it's a pretty major flaw, and one area where the original DVD releases are superior.
If it got properly remastered and available, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Pretty sure most of SG fans would.
I can actually see a difference here and I’m watching your video on my 2021 iPad Pro UA-cam app.
Hard to truly tell through UA-cam's compression. There's a difference but I bet it's more pronounced in person. I'll wait until they release a true remaster, hopefully at 4k (pretty sure they can get that out of 16mm?) in the future. $170 for all Stargate content on Blu-Ray when it's just upscaled is a bit much. At least when streaming is available.
SG-1 seasons 8 through 10 are readily available on torrent sites. They were at one point available on Amazon Prime in 1080p.
Just so you know, at present, no streaming service can match the data rate of actual Blu-ray disc.
@@krane15 Bitrate on Prime is really good. I'm just saying that it's been available for years, so it should be easy to compare to the new release and determine if they just upscaled the DVD versions for some unexplainable reason.
@ The reason is cost. Upscaling is a whole lot cheaper and less risky than remastering 10 years worth of TV shows. It would make the box series more expensive and not enough people would buy it to make it worth the efforts.
Remember, you have to have a A/V system to reveal all of the quality. Besides, at this point if they were going to do a remaster they may as well jump straight to 4K.
@@krane15 Umm, yes. Again. They shot S08-S10 of SG-1, the whole of SG:A and SG:U in 1080p. This was not mentioned in the video and it remains unclear if they merely copied the native 1080p files or upscaled them from 480p for some absolutely dumb reason. I'm missing this comparison in the video.
I got all three Stargate series on Blu-Ray from VEI. I had the DVD version of SG-1 and Atlantis and I agree this is no remaster like Star Trek has done with TOS and TNG but this is the best Stargate has ever looked. And it is definitely worth the upgrade.
No it isn't worth it. Your TV is already going to upscale it FOR FREE. Plus, it will get better as upscalers get better. This nonsense upscaled set is not worth the money.
@@reh3884 If you have a TV or Blu-ray player with a good processor I agree you may not want to upgrade. I personally think the quality is decent and worth the cost, especially after having watched almost all of SG1 and Atlantis now.
@@reh3884 No that is not true. The studio has a better upscale source, the original master tapes. Those are way better than DVD. DVD has all kinds of compression issues, and aliasing, blocking etc. Even though the master tapes are not High Def they are still better sources than a DVD upscaled. And plus the Blu-ray has color correction.
The biggest difference I see in the transitions is more the colouring pallet...skin tones seem less “yellowed” (not sure about correct proper term there)
While you’ve sold me on the video I’m still concerned about the audio. Early reports said there was an issue with the 5.1 tracks. Can you report on that?
I haven't tackled the audio issues yet, in part because I am not presently set up hardware-wise to be able to do it justice. But I've read multiple reports from folks who own the SG-1 set that the 5.1 surround sound option that appears on each disc (but, thankfully, is NOT listed by VEI on the box or in their marketing materials) is completely botched.
Multiple reports indicate that (after Season 1) they appear to have taken a stereo mix and mapped those two channels to the left, center, right, and surround channels. I can't confirm, but I've read posts from at least two people who took the audio tracks direct from the discs and compared the wave forms to confirm this.
It's a real shame, because SG-1 already had fine 5.1 mixes on the DVD releases (I think for all but Season 1?). Since VEI won't talk to us, it's unclear whether they tried to include them but failed (and left the option on the menu), or did a piss poor job.
@@GateWorldDotNet The fact that those are the two options means both are true, they failed and did a piss poor job.
The colors shifting was a bug in VEAI that got patched in around version 1.8. This was not intentional. I'm still working on my own upscales that already look better than this. But at least MGM gave us SOMETHING..... not good enough tho in my opinion
Aw yes! I didn't know it got a blu-ray release! My used DVD set I bought has some skipping in it.
They look better but not worth replacing all my DVDs.
Would love this bluray set but not available to UK/Europe market.hopefully they do make it so as they are missing a-massive market.