THANK YOU for watching! Let us know in the comments if you are convinced to pick up SG-1 on Blu-ray -- and if you will replace your DVDs -- or if you are going to pass on this release. Check out our unboxing video to see everything inside the package for the 3-series complete Blu-ray collection: ua-cam.com/video/GUiljMaQvlU/v-deo.html
@@TheTwelfthWizard Yes I am curious about the sound as well. I obtained an episode from a not-so-legal source, which specifically stated it was in 5.1 audio, as I wanted to compare it to the current DVDs. It could be the Blu-Ray rip wasn't done properly, but this is what I got: -When I play the episode on my desktop PC (which is only stereo speakers, so it gets downsampled), I only get audio from my left speaker. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play. -When I play the episode on my media center PC (which is running through a Onkyo Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD capable amp with 5.1 speakers, and I let the amp do the audio decoding, not the media center PC), I get audio from all the speaker channels but it is the same audio on all speakers, dialog is present on all the channels and not just the center channel, there is absolutely no surround sound effect at all. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play. So I am scared to jump the gun on this set if they messed up the 5.1 audio but the problem is I don't know if it's the Blu-Ray version that is the issue, or the person that ripped it and put it online didn't properly process the audio for it. I would really like to see a reviewer that is familiar with digital audio formats and has a proper 5.1 amp for decoding Dolby / DTS verify if there is the audio issues I mentioned. I tried downloading an episode from a season here and there (yes I know I shouldn't get illegal shows and I am 100% wanting to buy this box-set but I have to make sure the publisher didn't mess it up, it's expensive!) and the same issue is always present, but it could just be the rip is messed up. I guess for now until I know for sure I will stick with the DVD release. I find audio just as important as the picture and I will gladly live with a slightly more grainy picture if it means I get an immersive 5.1 surround audio experience when I crank up my amp for the fantastic on-screen action this show has!
@@patrick3876 I agree. I just ordered it, so I’ll come back and let you know if it’s all of it. I have a lot of free time so it won’t take long to sample a bunch of the episodes. I did see in a couple reviews that the sound source is mislabeled on the disc though. The 2.0 is actually the 5.1 and vice versa, at least for the first 3 seasons or so. I’ll find out. I also hear they are quietly fixing it on their newest re-prints of the set. But that’s only from one reviewer. But I agree. Sound is just as important as picture, and I’ve never been too bothered with my DVD collection. But my curiosity has driven me crazy enough that I need to know for myself about the Blu Ray.
@Bill Zoeker : the masters are created from the original film negatives so what are you talking about? Like Daisy Duckface said you need to rescan all of the film then make sure you get the correct scenes and try to redo all of the post-production as accurate as possible.
its certainly given everything a warmer hue, the golds look fantastic and the colours are so much more vivid. both versions look good, but this has more made me crave a real re-master rather than made me want to go buy the blu-rays
Initial reaction when swiping from dvd to blu-ray, "OMG it all turned pink!" Swipes back to dvd, "OMG it all turned yellow!" Thank you for making this. Convinced me to get it. The colors look more natural to me on the blu-ray. Plus I have many random episodes that are scratched on my dvds. I have never had a blu-ray that got scratched, so this seems worth it to me.
oh yes that's terrible, skipping dvd's. I got that on my original box set too on a number of ex's,, must've played sg1 over and over again into oblivion '_)
This was like watching more than 10 years of my life in flashbacks. Memories of times so rough… But a new episode of SG-1 seemed to make it just a little better somehow. With my eyes open, ... I can see the difference. But with my eyes closed,… I’m on the team. And my memories are all in 4K baby.
You have no idea how important this video ended up being to me haha. This started a domino effect that has now come to it's conclusion here with me returning here to the video. I had always yearned for a blu-ray release of SG-1, but having watched the series many times on DVD I had kind of moved off of the show long ago, I would occasionally check on the blu-ray news for SG-1 but there was never anything and eventually I guess I stopped looking and forgot all about it... Enter this video popping up on my recommended about a year and a half ago. There it was the news that SG-1 had in fact now had a Blu-ray release, this made me very very excited indeed and I ordered and imported the set from the US to the UK, (the upscaling looked like an ok improvement but the main reason for my excitement and the reason I had considered just importing a US DVD set in the past was that the UK DVDs and episodes played 5% too fast and that included a faster and higher pitched audio track, this is cos uk PAL DVDs play at 25 fps and film is at 24, so they speed it up etc etc anyway). It arrived and finally I binge watched and completed all of SG-1 again and I was extremely happy with the way it now looked and now with the series in this shape looking good enough when I moved into a shared house with my friends for our second and third years of University I showed the series to them and we watched all of SG-1 that year, and not just that we loved it so much that we even got out the watch order spreadsheet and for the first time even for me we watched all of Stargate: Atlantis, a show I had always put off and had never watched and what a great great show. Even with that concluded we moved on, onto a show I originally never had any intention of watching even by myself, but there we moved onto the final show. Earlier we finished the final episode of Stargate: Universe, I got very teary eyed with the final shot of what is to this date the final shot of the Stargate franchise, I never watched it because I never wanted it to end and now it is over, very bittersweet. And so I thank you as in a roundabout way this is all because of you. It is funny how these sort of things can happen, and how theres an alternate reality version of someone, like me, who would have never watched this video and everything would be totally different for them now and there would be people out there who had never seen Stargate who now have and I would likely have never seen the two spin offs. Never know what will come from something you post or do or say but it has had an effect. P.S. yes we watched Origins some time ago as well and yh we all thought it was an abomination and we do not speak of it lol.
if they gonna scan the film at some point, they better take straight to 4K, at least the 35mm film stock lends itself perfectly for that, for the older seasons shot on 16mm, they would need to do some extra digital shenanigans, but it's still doable, at cost, that's the only problem, an actual remaster takes time and loads of money unfortunately ;_(
@@DaveFlash No they wouldn't. 16mm film, or any film can be scanned at whatever resolution you want. It's just that you reach a point where you won't get any more detail out of it.
Nope. You lose all graphic FXs. What's the point to look at a sharp image of Teal'c with a jaffa staff that do nothing? Or a space battle that is just a black screen?
There is no such thing. Meaning, there is no one single continuous piece of film for any single episode. VFX would have been composited into a piece of film, live action shots into another, all made up from various "types" of film. This is why all the individual pieces have to be scanned, scaled, and completely re-edited as if the episode had just been shot. This is how Star Trek The Next Generation was done, including recreating all the VFX from scratch. And unfortunately, even for a show of that magnitude, it turned out to not be cost-effective, and other shows like Deep Space Nine and Voyager will likely never get that treatment because of it. The same applies to Stargate. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for it to justify doing it.
Excited to finally have at least an upscale. Something we still don’t have for ds9 or voyager. Won’t be buying it right away but one day I will. I really appreciate the comparison thank you!
Nothing makes me more happy than any kind of remastering or upscaling of my favourite shows, it's like a whole new experience watching them again and thus renews the multiple bing watching
So true, but I must add, when done correctly. After watching Star Trek a million times, I found the remastered version quite satisfying. And well worth the cost.
Problem is the 90's early 2000 vfx laden tv shows we all love used a 480p digital intermediate to incorporate the effects into digital editors to cut costs and improve production times so even if you could get the original 35mm film stock and rescan it to 4k/1080p you then have to reincorporate the vfx shots manually over the top (=costly!!). However there have been some interesting results using ai upscaling to improve over the standard sharpening passes and dnr these re releases normally get (hopefully in not too distant future tvs themselves will auto ai upscale lower resolution images for us!). Great video though!!
I would also recommend for comparison videos like this to upload in 1440p or even 4k just so that youtube compression doesn't make it so difficult to see the differences in picture and so that the blu ray detail is seen in full.
Yeah they went a little too far. I compared it to some other skin tones and it definitely has too much red and purple. It's not a nice natural skin tone.
Note that a modern TV is going to have some color correction to optimize for its own display. This capture is more "raw" in that it isn't benefitting from any hardware corrections other than what my old Sony Blu-ray player is doing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I noticed quite a few comments about the color, and I was very confused as I didn't recall mine looking quite so yellow. So I checked, and the ones I have from 'the same' fancy box set that you also show off (but PAL region.. the vertical resolution is 576) is not at all so yellow. I don't know if I can post links, so please see imgur album /a/LSb9apm .. ignore the differences in crispness (I'm sure UA-cam didn't do your video any favors) and focus only on the color. The color in my set looks just fine.. a smidge better than the Blu-ray one even? (follow-up comment to contain link, but might get filtered)
@@PanoWorks That's helpful, thanks. Your top Bra'tac pic looks a bit green on my current display. But I think the coloration here is going to be rather heavily dependent upon hardware (the player and the display). My capture card might be futzing with the image a little bit, but with everything I have run through it it's more likely that my DVD player isn't awesome with color.
1:45 that’s why I still use my PS3 so much...play my DVDs throug it and going through HDMI onto the large plasma screen tv...it doesn’t seem to suffer...cos hardware upscale to 720p I believe...
Thank you for making this video! I've been on the fence about getting the new Blu-rays because of the heavy DNR, but it honestly doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely an improved image!
I respectfully disagree. This just shows that upscaling isn't enough. I can't see myself spending money on this when I already have the DVDs. Now, if they did a true remaster (a la TNG), I'd be happy to buy both SG-1 and DS9 again.
My favorite SciFi show bar none. My second favorite is SG: Atlantis. I have watched my DVDs over and over and over again. I think I go through each of them once or twice per year while I work out on my treadmill. Great show. I am not sure I need the BluRay versions but I would definitely pay for a remastered version some day.
Overall it does look better but at the same time I'm not fond of the amount of purple in the scenes. A lot of the people look like they have a high fever. In some scenes they do look better. Not sure if I'll get the BR version just yet.
The DVD captures here definitely look greenish, and the Blu-ray captures more reddish. But note that modern TVs are going to also do some color correction to optimize it for your display. When I pop these discs in and play them on my LG 4K television they don't look red at all.
I'm watching the blurays in a UHD TV and the difference is astounding. I can know enjoy the cinematograpy, the clever camera work, the details in the background of the scene, truly appreciate the work of the production crew and the directors. The only weird parts are some scenes with VFX where the live action scenes don't scale up well and are very blurry. But anyway, a fantastic improvement.
Slight correction, HD video does not have higher quality (in terms of resolution) than 35 mm. However, previously the first scanned the 35 mm to get a SD digital source which they then used to edit the episodes. If you actually wanted to turn the show HD, you could do that by scanning the original camera negatives and re-editing them together and is actually usually done when you see a film being "restored". Shows like Friends, Sex and the City or The X-Files, which aren't very VFX heavy habe actually done that, but with sci fi shows like SG-1 the problem is usually the VFX which have to be painstakingly recomposited (which is difficult and time-consuming) and also involves usually recreating many of the digital models which have usually been discarded. Star Trek The Next Generation did one such remaster and it looks amazing, but the show didn't require the recreation of many digital effects and... it also was a massive Money loss for the company at the time.
Yes, that's right -- the HD upscale improves on the quality of the SD resolution taken from the original film. As you say MGM could remaster the series from the film (as TNG did), but this is still prohibitively expensive -- which I think is why they went the upscaling route instead.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think an alternative would be to do what Warner did with B5: remaster all the footage without VFX and upscale the rest. B5 looks inconsistent but still pretty great and much better than on the DVDs. But from what I see here, the upscales on Stargate look pretty decent. I bought the big box set with all 17 seasons and figured: 10 out of 17 will be true HD, so the math worked for me.
Perfect this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. There was some controversy I saw in other comments and forums but the blu-ray seems to be worth it looking at your video. I wish it was all shot on 35mm so we could have a true 4k some day. If someone actually spent the money to remaster the affects too. But with the last 3 seasons shot digitally that means those would have to be upscaled. And anything on 16mm is lost to that too. I'm going to pick up the blu-rays, sure it's not the perfect situation but it's the best we can expect for now and probably a long time.
It's not perfect but any stretch. But I will reiterate that with some additional hardware upscaling (in my case, an LG 4k television) it looks terrific. Better than what I captured here, which just used a Blu-ray player and a capture card. The hardware is also going to do the color- correction needed for the local display.
The shot where O'Neil enters the gate room and starts firing on the super-soldier from Avatar in Season 8 shows some clear interlacing artifacts. It's the only one I noticed, but it appears that they might not have had a 1080p source.
I noticed when the supergate was activated the gate itself DID in fact look like native 1080p that was the only time I could tell.. or indicated it was not just 480/576p upscaled to 1080p in the later seasons... also samatha carters pupet hair from the puppet episode
I've looked into Machine learning for upscaling. It would be possible to take the last few seasons of SG-1 and train the AI using that source material. I assume it would work even better because the image structure of the last few seasons would have relevance in the earlier seasons. You'd have to train your own AI image upscaler specifically for SG-1. I want to try this eventually and see how it turns out.
To properly train these things, you need a crap load of source material. Even then (along with the likes of Voyager, DS9 etc), the initial quality is lacking so much that it's never going to be any better than what you can get from already existing options (that have been trained using a far far far far more extensive video library) like Video Enhance etc.
You have convinced me. 😊 I just ordered the complete collection via Amazon. Also ordered copies of TAOT and Continuum, which I didn't have on Blu-Ray, yet, to complete the set. Haven't seen the show in a while, so This seems a good reason to rewatch it again. Maybe even introduce it to my significant other. Next to Star Trek and Babylon 5 (and Star Wars), STARGATE was my jam.
I'm up to Season 5 on the new Blu Ray set, and I'm VERY happy with it. It looks noticeably better than the DVD set. The colors are stronger (and more accurate), and the picture is sharper. The only negative aspect of the picture quality is a slightly excessive use of DNR. With DNR a little goes a long way. When this set was remastered (and, YES, it was remastered - it just wasn't restored shot by shot like Star Trek was) the technicians used a little too much DNR. Not a lot too much, just a little. Some shots look AMAZING, while others just look passable (by Blu Ray standards). Overall, the picture quality is definitely better than the old DVD's in multiple ways. The first couple of seasons not only had heavy film grain (because of the film stock it was shot on), but it had digital noise from a fairly poor DVD mastering job. That's a HORRIBLE combination. So while the first couple of seasons have a little too much DNR, that is still preferable to the heavy, heavy film grain PLUS the digital noise on the DVD's. I definitely recommend this set for fans of the show.
I didn't have an old DVD collection as I only recently started watching the series via stream. So I got the big BD box set of all three series, then bought the two SG1 movies.
Atlantis is already released in native 1080p on blu ray. Same with Universe Season 1. Universe Season 2 was released in HD on streaming. I'm willing to bet that there will be nearly no difference except for Universe Seasson 2, which will benefit from a higher blu ray bit rate.
I'll have to get my hands on some DVDs again -- my SGA DVDs were damaged or lost. But my guess is that VEI has the same 1080p episodes that they have applied a DNR pass to. So that's probably most of what we'd be looking at in a side-by-side comparison: artifact smoothing.
The "sunburned" look of the skin is distracting during the comparisons. However, you would not really notice it and/or if you did, it would start to look normal after a few shows. So don't let that be the decision maker. Blu-Ray is always nice, less space, make a copy and store the originals safely away.
We watch the DVDs on a upscaled Blu-ray player. I wonder how much better that new version would be. Our image is already tweaked by our machine and isn't grainy or yellow.
I got all three Stargate series on Blu-Ray from VEI. I had the DVD version of SG-1 and Atlantis and I agree this is no remaster like Star Trek has done with TOS and TNG but this is the best Stargate has ever looked. And it is definitely worth the upgrade.
No it isn't worth it. Your TV is already going to upscale it FOR FREE. Plus, it will get better as upscalers get better. This nonsense upscaled set is not worth the money.
@@reh3884 If you have a TV or Blu-ray player with a good processor I agree you may not want to upgrade. I personally think the quality is decent and worth the cost, especially after having watched almost all of SG1 and Atlantis now.
@@reh3884 No that is not true. The studio has a better upscale source, the original master tapes. Those are way better than DVD. DVD has all kinds of compression issues, and aliasing, blocking etc. Even though the master tapes are not High Def they are still better sources than a DVD upscaled. And plus the Blu-ray has color correction.
This is great! And again, this is why story and writing is more important than vfx. Effects can be updated, remade, upscaled or whatever. But story stays the same. A test of time, shall we say.
I'm upset that they not only sharpened the images, but they had a video editor go in and tweaked the colors as a "bonus". That is a very tricky and subjective process, and it's very easy to over do it (which I think they really did). Many of the scenes now have this overly saturated candy/glossy look to them. It makes many scenes now seem "loud". The contrast has been jacked as well which has removed some details in the shadows. Yes, in some cases the skin tone is more accurate in a vacuum but it doesn't reflect contact. Skin tone with different types of light SHOULD look different and not stay some artificial constant. Very disappointed.
Thanks for going to so much trouble to make this video. I hate to be a negative nelly but I feel like if the remastering is going to cost that much, they're probably never going to do it. 10 seasons is just too many and this is Stargate, not Star Wars or even Star Trek. I'll bet the studio probably thinks it's not worth the time, effort or cost. This is probably as good as it gets and the picture quality is much better (but anything is better than the show's picture quality in syndication, the picture quality for the episodes on Comet is utterly horrible).
It's a real shame because while it was on Stargate was MGM's second biggest franchise - second only to James Bond... BOND! I get that it'd be difficult but on the other hand it's a sci-fi show. How about they be like "We need volunteers to scan and edit these film." Get a production house to do colour grading etc to make sure the episodes look consistent. Audio would probably need to be done 'properly.' Such a shame. I'm probably going to give these a skip. Maybe one day I'll cave and get them, but their corner cutting here has cost them some $$ from me. Probably still profitable for them, though.
Just found this video as I was looking for information on VEI's BluRay release. After the three years since this video came out, there still does not seem to be a remaster on the horizon. Makes me wonder, should I wait, since I have some of the DVDs and the Blu-ray of Atlantis or should I look into getting this BluRay set?
Many thanks - here in the UK we would never have known this was available (and in the UK it actually isn't, and I am hoping I don't get screwed over with import fees). Ordered. This will replace my DVD sets, although they will still be kept.
Okay, I followed the original link to the order page at Amazon - only to be told that I was 'outside the shipping range for this item' and it pointed me to another page with the same item on offer so I bought it as they would ship to the UK. They arrived yesterday and when I opened them all I found was a box full of DVD's. DVD-Video on the packaging, DVD-Video logos - so I am returning the set unopened. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. So if you are in the UK this product is not actually available, it seems.
I don't know if filming in digital was really future proofing, 1080p digital cameras will look worse than 35mm once it is uplscaled later on to 4k/8k, especially for the CGI visual effects. So those last two seasons will probably look worse in the long run if they ever make 4k/8k releases.
Great video. Thanks for showing it. But I don't see a big difference to be honest. It would be better if they would ask the fans to choose 5-10 episodes from season 1-7 (like Children of the gods, Torment of Tantalus, The Fifth Race, Nemesis, Windows of Opportunity, The Lost City 1-2) then make the true conversion for these selected fan favorites and then release those digitally or on Blue-ray. So they could test the waters if fans are willing to pay for these updated versions without risking too much. Maybe the new owner would invest into it. I would like to see definately a Lost City, part 1-2 extended with Avalon battle sequences.
Thanks for the review. I’m buying this release, I never picked up the series on dvd. I’d been holding off buying it because I knew later seasons were filmed in hd and wanted a physical media copy. This fits the bill, while I want a complete series remaster the cost involved has convinced me waiting longer is unlikely to produce what I want.
although I can see the difference on a 4K TV,... I have to admit, I am disappointed in the release, although it is a little better in clarity and colour. Still, I have replaced all my NAS collection with this latest release.
Brother- 35mm film is higher resolution than HD cameras. 35mm resolves at 4-6K. 95% of digitally shot films (even today)- have a 2K post production pipeline. 35mm blows that away with true native 4K+ resolution. (Most 4K blu rays of digital films are upscales from 2K)
@@daisyduck8593 Yeah, a remaster will never happen. All the CGI is mastered in SD, so they would have to go back and redo everything, just like Star Trek TNG. This is crazy expensive. As far as I know, the TNG remaster wasn't great business for CBS/Paramount, and if they can't make it worth while, there's no chance for SG-1.
@@GrackAlaciN They could 4K UHD remaster everything (without Special Effects Scenes). But you wOULD see the change in resoltion everytime, what would be very very bad experience... You can even observe this in Continuum. The short jet fighters scenes are very bad quality what is a very bad watching experience... But even the normal scenes. We don't even know how it was cutted. Maybe you need to rescan the filmreels and recut and remaster everthing what is a extremely huge amount of work... Not only that. While doing the SD remster they had fresh film reels. Now they are old and have failures and grain... So you also need to check every frame and photoshop/correct film reels fatige failures... or use artificial intelligent for this... So imo it is a big and expensive Challenge to 4K UHD remaster the whole SG-1 seasons 1-7.
I'll wait for the proper remastered versions. I find myself in agreement with the bulk of what you've said but it's not worth it for me because I could upscale these myself for free. One thing tho i might disagree with. A full remaster isn't cheap but i don't think it's as expensive as you think it is unless they're re-doing the VFX as well.. And even then, those effects can be done today by anyone with a fairly decent computer, the proper program, and the know-how. But just 5-10 years ago (such as when ST was remastered) it would have been vastly more expensive than it would be today.
I think that's right -- remastering on the whole shouldn't be as expensive today as it was when CBS/Paramount did it to TOS and TNG. Babylon 5 for example has a new edition on HBO Max that I understand to be a remastering of live-action and upscaling of the VFX (if I am remembering right). And Warner Bros. is generally stingy with putting any money into that franchise. For most of SG-1 the same would probably have to be done. I don't know if the VFX for those earlier seasons were locked at 1080p exports, or if they'd have to be redone from scratch (which was much of the cost for TOS and TNG) in order to be true HD. (I do have in mind someone to ask, though.)
Kinda wish some of the comparisons were just split screen instead of wipes. But very good comparison otherwise. Also, it might be due to the way you captured it, or the compression you chose prior to uploading to youtube. But I'm not getting any of the grain even in the DVD. I know from ripping the occasional episode to my computer that the grain is definitely there in the 480p, but here everything is looking rather smoothed out :/ And your statement at 11:26, between season 7 and season 8 is a little misleading. 35mm is generally regarded as a higher quality medium than 1080p, for example 4K scans from 35mm are the norm. What really changed is how they were mastering the shows (the final export). Starting in season 8 the entire pipeline was 1080p. Whereas before their film scans from the film lab were only SD. Definitely looks like at least seasons 9 and 10, they used the 1080p masters. Season 8 it was hard to tell if the improvement in quality was as drastic as in 9 and 10. I would be curious to see a blu-ray to blu-ray comparison of Atlantis.
Thanks, Ian. I attempted some still split-screens, and ended up finding a bug that crashed my editor over and over again. So I had to forego it to get the video done. You're right about the scanning and editing process too, of course. There are so many steps in production (and making UA-cam videos!) where picture quality will be affected. The switch from film to digital was dramatic for production for many reasons, but at the end of the day I suppose the most important was what was being provided to the editor and what the editor was exporting with his final picture lock.
@@GateWorldDotNet and I do wanna be clear that you did a great job! It's a very well done review. Much much much better than anything I've seen. It's well produced and put together
I've heard there was missing content on the Blurays for the earlier seasons in the way of the audio selections. Something about the original DVDs having the proper surround sound tracks while the Bluray versions omitted them or did a shoddy conversion or something?
Glad to see an attempt was made to bring SG-1 to Blu-Ray! I do think that they need to find the camera negatives or camera positives and attempt a full HD remaster of the series. The series deserves it. A note on the review. I have the DVD boxed set ripped to Plex, and I don't see all of the yellowing that this review shows in the colors. It's possible something was off wirh the capture or ripping which was being done for the video comparison. Perhaps a color space translation issue or a hue issue. I have noticed with the Seasons 8 - 10 copies, they look to be upscales / clean-ups of what was given to SyFi or Streaming services. Likewise if you look at the Atlantis Blu-Rays, shots of Atlantis / SG-1 cross-overs that were used in both shows, look far better on the Atlantis boxed set. Likewise for the SG-1 cross-over movies.
I think the colors look better on the Blu-Rays here and anything wider than a medium shot tends to look better as well, props and setpieces especially. But with MCU shots and closer, the skin smoothing gets irritating and especially the older VFX don't mix very well with the artificial smoothness. I'd say this new release nice to have, but it's not going to replace my DVD collection.
Could be interesting to see the diferences on the Atlantis series. Is much modern and maybe the upscale from the dvds is noticible. Thanksss youuu!! Great job n.n
Hi, how comes there are two different versions of Stargate SG-1 on blu ray. They seem to have done a rerelease with slightly different artwork, now a lighter blue and in front of the stargate, still with Jonas. But before the blu ray had the same artwork as the DVD darker blue and inside the stargate. Do you have an idea what and why that is and if the discs are any different, and VEI now advertise 5.1 audio on the website for it, and don't for the DVD version or the big Bluray boxset with all three shows? It's just confusing and wondering about it?
After the release and initial reviews VEI did make those changes you mention ... but we have no idea if the contents of the discs were altered in any way. So I would assume they are not any different. VEI has ignored our repeated attempts to contact them to get questions answered (or even to help promote the release through our coverage).
Failry good comparison. The Bluray in some ways definitely looks better than DVD. Despite the upscale what is more bothering is knowing these same masters, but untouched without DNR, were used overseas. In some places the detail due to DNR is gone. Wish they went more easy on that. Imo MGM gave these masters also to VEI and VEI applied the DNR. I doubt they obtained a different DNR'ed version from MGM and just pressed the discs. Had the Blu-Ray had a third less DNR I'd say it's great all things considered. If they ever decide to remaster everything it'll be a challenge.
Blu-ray colors look a lot better than the unnatural ones on DVD. Far more natural and seems to remove the green hue over most of the DVD content. This is especially nice as the tendency is usually to just adding orange/teal/cyan filters to the extreme when working on older movie/tv content. Would have loved a rescan/remaster but no one is going to ever spend the money to do it sadly so I'll not complain about something being noticeably better (but not great).
SG:U season 2 has never been released on Blu-ray before, so I'll be picking that up. Personally I don't think the difference is worth the hassle. Have you done a comparison of the special features? Anything extra/missing there? Also I've seen comments that the audio tracks aren't labelled correctly on the earlier seasons, so Stereo is actually 5.1 and vice versa. Can you confirm that?
The SG-1 set is missing "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown," the first special that aired on SCI FI Channel ahead of Season 7. Otherwise everything seems to be here. Nothing new was produced. I am not currently set up to confirm the audio tracks, but I've seen multiple reports online that the 5.1 surround is completely botched. After Season 1 VEI appears to have mixed the stereo tracks to 5 channels. Fortunately they don't actually list 5.1 as a selling point, or on the package; they really should have removed it from the menu if they couldn't port it over from the DVD releases properly.
It’s been confirmed now via multiple sources that the Season 1 5.1 tracks are excellent. NOTE that the original Season 1 DVDs did not include 5.1 mixes, so this is a welcome addition. However, the Seasons 2 through 10 5.1 mixes are all botched. For those seasons you should choose the (default) Stereo mixes and let your A/V Receiver simulate the surround via their Pro-Logic II decoders. Nobody knows why they just didn’t just use the 5.1 mixes that were included with the DVDs. It’s been speculated that using the original mixes may have caused some lip sync issues due to all of the video processing. But that doesn’t explain Seasons 8 through 10 which shouldn’t have required as much processing.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 In the 5.1 mix, each of the five channels contains the stereo mix, not the individual left/right/center/rear left & right tracks.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 - VEI apparently attempted to create 5.1 mixes from the available stereo mixes. In theory this should have been possible with professional grade PL-II decoders optimized for movie mode, and this is quite possibly what they did to create the Season One 5.1 mixes. However, they apparently set up the decoders wrong for the remaining seasons and/or used different equipment. The end result is rather bizarre, with, apparently, the right stereo track discretely being fed to the surround speakers; while the left track is being fed to the right front, center channel, and left front. So no split surrounds and no front separation is available from these so-called 5.1 mixes. Even the most basic home PL-II decoding circuit can do a much better job of creating a surround effect from the stereo tracks, so just forget that the 5.1 mixes on these discs exist for seasons 2-10. (And VEI doesn’t advertise them as being available, so perhaps it was a mistake that they were even included?)
Maybe in 30 years when 8K becomes the new standard and everyone is used to look 4K UHD for everything on a 75-85'' TV it will be time to get the old film reels out of the archives and try to scan and remaster the show in 4K UHD. Until then, let's enjoy the new Blu-rays.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 Seasons 1-6 was captured in 8mm. Season 7 in 35mm. Than from season 8 on with digital HD cams. As Far I know 8mm only has native 2-4K resolution/quality...
@@Starbug1S1 No Dude. Today 1080p is the norm. Check steam the most used resolution is 1080p. And I think same for television n streaming... In 5-10 years 4K UHD may be the norm and 8K the new thing...
Wow really very well done video. Thank you very much !!!! I can clearly see that the Blu-ray version (even the upscaled parts, which also show much less compression artefacts) has a much better picture. I saw in a video that supposedly there are 2 Blu-ray US versions of Universe. Supposedly the new version is region free the old version (which also has spanish n french language) is region locked. So it could be that I will try to import the complete series from the USA to watch Stargate the fist time in my life in english language. I have already seen the series many times in German and French. If you are a big fan of the series, you can learn or improve your language knowledge so easily...
Thank you, Daisy! Yes, if I'm remembering right, the original Blu-ray release of SGU Season 1 did have other languages. VEI has opted for an English-only release here.
I tried side-by-side, and the method I was using continally crashed my editor over and over again. I had to give up on them in order to get the video done. I'll look for a different method for the next picture comparison video.
Cheep capture cards dont have full colour resolution support so unless you have YUY support at that 30fps you are adding a layer of compression as most use MJPEG if anything you should have done true MTS rips for direct comparison....
Correct, as soon as he described how he’d captured this footage, it was hard to take the examples with more than a grain of salt. I have one of these cheap USB capture cards and the quality is poor.
Season 1-3 would be not much benefitting from a 4k remaster, as 16mm is roughly running out of detail between 1-2k. Also season 8-10 would defintely be stuck at 1080p forever, as thats their master. But even star wars episode 1 has this fate. So for 4k remaster, only season 4-7 really will fully shine
Yeah in the past I always read that for 4K UHD scan you need minimum 32mm. But you can find a lot examples with 16mm 4K UHD scan with google. But you are maybe right the maximum native resolution for 16mm is maybe only 2K.
@@daisyduck8593 As said, 16mm wouldn't much benefit from a 4K scan. The detail of the analog picture is just enough for around 2K, after this you wouldn't see many benefits. Editing would be also much easier in 2K, as computing increase exponentially. It likely depends on the tools they would do it, maybe it would be easier to edit all in 4K as all would basically work same, but editing it in 2K, upscaling with AI to 4K and then add newly generated CGI to it. Anyway, it is most unlikely this will ever happen. Scanning and reediting all is way too complicated, I would only see this flying for very few shows. Only option which would work is when the studios would let the fans do it, with proper profit sharing. SG1, Babylon 5 and of course Star Trek has so many fans in positions, who could do this for the reason to enjoy their favorite show in 4K not for pure money. I am sure, if they would get the scanned material, you would find enough capable people doing the editing and CGI for the shows. Of course they should get a proper payment, but it would be much more fair for everyone as letting it done by hired pros.
@@MrInvinciblewarrior 16mm, though the detail resolution might be a little limited, the colour resolution still might benefit from the increased colour and brightness range 4K can provide. If done right of course.
3 роки тому
SG-1 seasons 8 through 10 are readily available on torrent sites. They were at one point available on Amazon Prime in 1080p.
Just so you know, at present, no streaming service can match the data rate of actual Blu-ray disc.
3 роки тому
@@krane15 Bitrate on Prime is really good. I'm just saying that it's been available for years, so it should be easy to compare to the new release and determine if they just upscaled the DVD versions for some unexplainable reason.
@ The reason is cost. Upscaling is a whole lot cheaper and less risky than remastering 10 years worth of TV shows. It would make the box series more expensive and not enough people would buy it to make it worth the efforts. Remember, you have to have a A/V system to reveal all of the quality. Besides, at this point if they were going to do a remaster they may as well jump straight to 4K.
3 роки тому
@@krane15 Umm, yes. Again. They shot S08-S10 of SG-1, the whole of SG:A and SG:U in 1080p. This was not mentioned in the video and it remains unclear if they merely copied the native 1080p files or upscaled them from 480p for some absolutely dumb reason. I'm missing this comparison in the video.
I feel the same. If in a few years they got their act together and did it right (especially in the sound department) I might be willing to rebuy ... but this is still the best that SG-1 has looked.
Never bought any Stargate discs. These are tempting. Just can't justify the cost at the moment. Maybe when my finances are better. Still be nice to see this get a full remaster. Likewise with Babylon 5. But I don't ever see that happening.
I do -- but not by a lot, unless like me you have a 4K television that adds further upscaling. My next picture comparison video will be for the streaming services (though with the shows recently leaving Amazon Prime, I'm not sure I'll do it right away -- though I did make sure to capture a bunch of footage before Amazon took them down). If you have a good 4K TV, go Blu-ray. Otherwise, you'll get a good picture from Amazon Prime ... when Stargate comes back. Avoid Netflix and Hulu, at least for the first four seasons or so. The picture is 4:3 and the resolution is, TBH, trash.
Hey, Taylor! I saw an early report that the bonus features were also upscaled, but from the ones I have looked at so far they most definitely have NOT. After watching upscaled episodes they're pretty rough. The bonus features and commentaries all appear to be here, with the exception of "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown" -- the first SCI FI Channel special that aired prior to Season 7. That's on the DVD Collector's Edition but has been left out here (I assume for space reasons). I watched "Small Victories" with the audio commentary last week and had a lot of fun. :)
"Your selected delivery location is beyond seller's shipping coverage for this item. Please choose a different delivery location or purchase from another seller." So i need to continue using the internet it seems! And they say it's available and they see no reason why anyone want to get it over the internet.
@@plebsimracer2413 I live in EU (nordic region), no distribution to here saddly, probably only UK and central EU like Germany and Fance Been waiting for desent BR compact box for over 10years to buy and 200usd is not bad for my fav ever series. (even tho that sum+shipping is corrently my monthly income cos health issues)
I can add a suggestion that you use a program called 'MakeMKV'' which lets you rip the original uncompressed and completely intact files from the diiscs themselves, you would need a bluray drive connected to a PC to achieve this though. but you get an exact copy of whats on the disc with no alterations and compression you would get because of recording from a separate device. Also really don't think i'm a fan of this release, the use of DNR has gone wayyyy overboard and the upscale itself seems to be fairly basic. Ive seen a bunch of posts from individuals who are doing upscales themselves and the quality is leagues above this release. Also, while the DVD's have a bit of a warmer tint and slightly washed colours, the blurays have gone way too far in the opposite direction for and have made skin tones a bit too pink and saturated imo. Plus with all the issues and confusion with the audio tracks.
I definitely considered buying a Blu-ray drive for ripping, but opted for this less expensive solution. You're right that it's not a 100% perfect rendering of the disc contents, but I think visually it's close enough for what the average consumer is going to be able to suss out. I agree that the DNR here looks to be a bit much. But I was happy it wasn't as bad as some reviews have made it out to be. Jack, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c at least still look like human beings and not Autons. ;)
@@GateWorldDotNet MakeMKV is the best solution. Consumer grade dvd and bluray players aren't bit accurate output. The original broadcast tapes would have had 4:2:2 chroma subsampling meaning the black and white image is full 480p or 1080p and the colour information was mathematically compressed by 50%. DVD and Bluray use 4:2:0 so its a full resolution black and white image with colour at 25% resolution. Good quality bluray players and PC playback can mathematically upscale the chroma.
You would get a far, far better upscale using the Topaz AI tools on the DVDs. It wouldn't even be close. It would take a long time to do all 10 seasons, but yes the quality would be way superior.
Bonjour les Gatters, je découvre votre chaine. Je dois dire que les images en Blueray sont bien meilleurs que les dvd. J'ai tous les cd, car évidemment je suis fan depuis 1977 avec le tout premier film et Kurt. Depuis j'ai fait de nouveaux fans, mes petits-enfants et nous regardons en famille 😁Par contre je n'ai pas trouvé les séries Stargate sg1, Atlantis et Univers en blue ray et en français...Ceux que j'ai trouvé était en anglais et malheureusement je ne parle pas l'anglais et en plus je n'aime pas les vraies voix des acteurs, je préfère le doublage des voix en français qui correspond mieux "au timbre de voix et les intonations" que nous aimons ici. Pour exemple la vraie voix de Ronan n'a pas le même impact sur les scènes de combats pour mes petits enfants, qui parlent tous anglais, que lorsqu'il le regarde en français où il a une voix beaucoup plus grave. Merci pour votre émission qui est génial et par contre vous, vous avez un très beau timbre de voix. 🤩🤩👍
the issue here is that you can totally get a 4K clean footage from 35mm but since all the visual effect are digital and probably made in 480p it would need also to remake all the visual effect in at least 1080p to not see a massive gap between scene with actor and visual effect
THANK YOU for watching! Let us know in the comments if you are convinced to pick up SG-1 on Blu-ray -- and if you will replace your DVDs -- or if you are going to pass on this release.
Check out our unboxing video to see everything inside the package for the 3-series complete Blu-ray collection: ua-cam.com/video/GUiljMaQvlU/v-deo.html
Great review, would like to see the Atlantis and Universe comparisons as well.
Good job
Thanks
How is the sound? I have seen multiple reviews about the sound being terrible.
@@TheTwelfthWizard Yes I am curious about the sound as well. I obtained an episode from a not-so-legal source, which specifically stated it was in 5.1 audio, as I wanted to compare it to the current DVDs. It could be the Blu-Ray rip wasn't done properly, but this is what I got:
-When I play the episode on my desktop PC (which is only stereo speakers, so it gets downsampled), I only get audio from my left speaker. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
-When I play the episode on my media center PC (which is running through a Onkyo Dolby Atmos / DTS-HD capable amp with 5.1 speakers, and I let the amp do the audio decoding, not the media center PC), I get audio from all the speaker channels but it is the same audio on all speakers, dialog is present on all the channels and not just the center channel, there is absolutely no surround sound effect at all. This doesn't happen with the DVD version of SG-1, or any other 5.1 audio show I play.
So I am scared to jump the gun on this set if they messed up the 5.1 audio but the problem is I don't know if it's the Blu-Ray version that is the issue, or the person that ripped it and put it online didn't properly process the audio for it.
I would really like to see a reviewer that is familiar with digital audio formats and has a proper 5.1 amp for decoding Dolby / DTS verify if there is the audio issues I mentioned. I tried downloading an episode from a season here and there (yes I know I shouldn't get illegal shows and I am 100% wanting to buy this box-set but I have to make sure the publisher didn't mess it up, it's expensive!) and the same issue is always present, but it could just be the rip is messed up.
I guess for now until I know for sure I will stick with the DVD release. I find audio just as important as the picture and I will gladly live with a slightly more grainy picture if it means I get an immersive 5.1 surround audio experience when I crank up my amp for the fantastic on-screen action this show has!
@@patrick3876 I agree. I just ordered it, so I’ll come back and let you know if it’s all of it. I have a lot of free time so it won’t take long to sample a bunch of the episodes.
I did see in a couple reviews that the sound source is mislabeled on the disc though. The 2.0 is actually the 5.1 and vice versa, at least for the first 3 seasons or so. I’ll find out. I also hear they are quietly fixing it on their newest re-prints of the set. But that’s only from one reviewer. But I agree. Sound is just as important as picture, and I’ve never been too bothered with my DVD collection. But my curiosity has driven me crazy enough that I need to know for myself about the Blu Ray.
Worth getting: Yes
Will it replace my DVDs?: No
"Carter I can see my house"
Someone needs to find those film masters and do a legitimate remaster
You need to 4K scan the 16mm and 35mm film reels frame by frame. Than you need to try to make a frame exact 4K remaster. This is A LOT OF WORK.
@Bill Zoeker
: the masters are created from the original film negatives so what are you talking about? Like Daisy Duckface said you need to rescan all of the film then make sure you get the correct scenes and try to redo all of the post-production as accurate as possible.
@@alexmorph3us well that's what I meant
@@daisyduck8593 maybe if they get the new series off the ground 🤞
@@BillZoeker Yeah with a new stargate series stargate will maybe become very famous... Let's hope for it...
its certainly given everything a warmer hue, the golds look fantastic and the colours are so much more vivid. both versions look good, but this has more made me crave a real re-master rather than made me want to go buy the blu-rays
Colours look way more natural, much easier on your eyes. Side to side, original DVD's kinda gave me a headache.
When AI advances properly I hope someone remasters the actual originals, not the garbage bluray
Initial reaction when swiping from dvd to blu-ray, "OMG it all turned pink!" Swipes back to dvd, "OMG it all turned yellow!" Thank you for making this. Convinced me to get it. The colors look more natural to me on the blu-ray. Plus I have many random episodes that are scratched on my dvds. I have never had a blu-ray that got scratched, so this seems worth it to me.
oh yes that's terrible, skipping dvd's. I got that on my original box set too on a number of ex's,, must've played sg1 over and over again into oblivion '_)
Yellow? humm, i was thinking it was more greenish. but yeah, the Blue-ray looks so much better colored then those DVDs
I suppose he just does not color manage DVD.
How much is the blu ray set??
DVDs and Blurays can be resurfaced to correct scratches.
This was like watching more than 10 years of my life in flashbacks. Memories of times so rough… But a new episode of SG-1 seemed to make it just a little better somehow. With my eyes open, ... I can see the difference. But with my eyes closed,… I’m on the team. And my memories are all in 4K baby.
That's a beautiful comment.
Thanks for this wonderful comment.
You have no idea how important this video ended up being to me haha. This started a domino effect that has now come to it's conclusion here with me returning here to the video. I had always yearned for a blu-ray release of SG-1, but having watched the series many times on DVD I had kind of moved off of the show long ago, I would occasionally check on the blu-ray news for SG-1 but there was never anything and eventually I guess I stopped looking and forgot all about it... Enter this video popping up on my recommended about a year and a half ago. There it was the news that SG-1 had in fact now had a Blu-ray release, this made me very very excited indeed and I ordered and imported the set from the US to the UK, (the upscaling looked like an ok improvement but the main reason for my excitement and the reason I had considered just importing a US DVD set in the past was that the UK DVDs and episodes played 5% too fast and that included a faster and higher pitched audio track, this is cos uk PAL DVDs play at 25 fps and film is at 24, so they speed it up etc etc anyway). It arrived and finally I binge watched and completed all of SG-1 again and I was extremely happy with the way it now looked and now with the series in this shape looking good enough when I moved into a shared house with my friends for our second and third years of University I showed the series to them and we watched all of SG-1 that year, and not just that we loved it so much that we even got out the watch order spreadsheet and for the first time even for me we watched all of Stargate: Atlantis, a show I had always put off and had never watched and what a great great show. Even with that concluded we moved on, onto a show I originally never had any intention of watching even by myself, but there we moved onto the final show. Earlier we finished the final episode of Stargate: Universe, I got very teary eyed with the final shot of what is to this date the final shot of the Stargate franchise, I never watched it because I never wanted it to end and now it is over, very bittersweet.
And so I thank you as in a roundabout way this is all because of you. It is funny how these sort of things can happen, and how theres an alternate reality version of someone, like me, who would have never watched this video and everything would be totally different for them now and there would be people out there who had never seen Stargate who now have and I would likely have never seen the two spin offs. Never know what will come from something you post or do or say but it has had an effect.
P.S. yes we watched Origins some time ago as well and yh we all thought it was an abomination and we do not speak of it lol.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this!
I don't only want to get this set, I MUST HAVE IT IN MY COLLECTION!!!!!
Would be interesting to see a full HD scan of the original film scanned in.
if they gonna scan the film at some point, they better take straight to 4K, at least the 35mm film stock lends itself perfectly for that, for the older seasons shot on 16mm, they would need to do some extra digital shenanigans, but it's still doable, at cost, that's the only problem, an actual remaster takes time and loads of money unfortunately ;_(
@@DaveFlash No they wouldn't. 16mm film, or any film can be scanned at whatever resolution you want. It's just that you reach a point where you won't get any more detail out of it.
Indeed
Nope. You lose all graphic FXs.
What's the point to look at a sharp image of Teal'c with a jaffa staff that do nothing? Or a space battle that is just a black screen?
There is no such thing. Meaning, there is no one single continuous piece of film for any single episode. VFX would have been composited into a piece of film, live action shots into another, all made up from various "types" of film. This is why all the individual pieces have to be scanned, scaled, and completely re-edited as if the episode had just been shot. This is how Star Trek The Next Generation was done, including recreating all the VFX from scratch. And unfortunately, even for a show of that magnitude, it turned out to not be cost-effective, and other shows like Deep Space Nine and Voyager will likely never get that treatment because of it. The same applies to Stargate. There just aren't enough people willing to pay for it to justify doing it.
Excited to finally have at least an upscale. Something we still don’t have for ds9 or voyager. Won’t be buying it right away but one day I will. I really appreciate the comparison thank you!
I bought this set, for me season 1-3 looks so much better on the blu rays than the DVDs
Nothing makes me more happy than any kind of remastering or upscaling of my favourite shows, it's like a whole new experience watching them again and thus renews the multiple bing watching
So true, but I must add, when done correctly. After watching Star Trek a million times, I found the remastered version quite satisfying. And well worth the cost.
Problem is the 90's early 2000 vfx laden tv shows we all love used a 480p digital intermediate to incorporate the effects into digital editors to cut costs and improve production times so even if you could get the original 35mm film stock and rescan it to 4k/1080p you then have to reincorporate the vfx shots manually over the top (=costly!!). However there have been some interesting results using ai upscaling to improve over the standard sharpening passes and dnr these re releases normally get (hopefully in not too distant future tvs themselves will auto ai upscale lower resolution images for us!). Great video though!!
Remastering VFX is just too darn expensive.
I would also recommend for comparison videos like this to upload in 1440p or even 4k just so that youtube compression doesn't make it so difficult to see the differences in picture and so that the blu ray detail is seen in full.
I definitely learned a lot making this video!
I can’t say I love the fact that the skin tone changes to “pink” or “purple” depending on which actor is on screen.
it changes from yellow to natural. It only looks pink because we are used to seeing the yellow tint. It has been color corrected.
Yeah they went a little too far. I compared it to some other skin tones and it definitely has too much red and purple. It's not a nice natural skin tone.
Note that a modern TV is going to have some color correction to optimize for its own display. This capture is more "raw" in that it isn't benefitting from any hardware corrections other than what my old Sony Blu-ray player is doing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I noticed quite a few comments about the color, and I was very confused as I didn't recall mine looking quite so yellow. So I checked, and the ones I have from 'the same' fancy box set that you also show off (but PAL region.. the vertical resolution is 576) is not at all so yellow. I don't know if I can post links, so please see imgur album /a/LSb9apm .. ignore the differences in crispness (I'm sure UA-cam didn't do your video any favors) and focus only on the color. The color in my set looks just fine.. a smidge better than the Blu-ray one even? (follow-up comment to contain link, but might get filtered)
@@PanoWorks That's helpful, thanks. Your top Bra'tac pic looks a bit green on my current display. But I think the coloration here is going to be rather heavily dependent upon hardware (the player and the display). My capture card might be futzing with the image a little bit, but with everything I have run through it it's more likely that my DVD player isn't awesome with color.
1:45 that’s why I still use my PS3 so much...play my DVDs throug it and going through HDMI onto the large plasma screen tv...it doesn’t seem to suffer...cos hardware upscale to 720p I believe...
Thank you for making this video! I've been on the fence about getting the new Blu-rays because of the heavy DNR, but it honestly doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely an improved image!
I'm pleased with the picture. Add in the 4K upscaling that my LG television does and they look great.
Man.. this is a solid candidate for the DS9UP treatment...
I respectfully disagree. This just shows that upscaling isn't enough. I can't see myself spending money on this when I already have the DVDs. Now, if they did a true remaster (a la TNG), I'd be happy to buy both SG-1 and DS9 again.
Fans are already producing SG-1 upscales, but none have been very good so far.
My favorite SciFi show bar none. My second favorite is SG: Atlantis. I have watched my DVDs over and over and over again. I think I go through each of them once or twice per year while I work out on my treadmill. Great show. I am not sure I need the BluRay versions but I would definitely pay for a remastered version some day.
took some work- but managed to combine the 5.1 audio from the DVDs with the upscale video from blu rays.
Overall it does look better but at the same time I'm not fond of the amount of purple in the scenes. A lot of the people look like they have a high fever. In some scenes they do look better. Not sure if I'll get the BR version just yet.
dvd looks like they have jaundice sometimes lol
The DVD captures here definitely look greenish, and the Blu-ray captures more reddish. But note that modern TVs are going to also do some color correction to optimize it for your display. When I pop these discs in and play them on my LG 4K television they don't look red at all.
The skin tones are different. I can't say which version is right, since I don't have calibrated screen, but I like the DVD colours better...
I'm watching the blurays in a UHD TV and the difference is astounding. I can know enjoy the cinematograpy, the clever camera work, the details in the background of the scene, truly appreciate the work of the production crew and the directors. The only weird parts are some scenes with VFX where the live action scenes don't scale up well and are very blurry. But anyway, a fantastic improvement.
Slight correction, HD video does not have higher quality (in terms of resolution) than 35 mm. However, previously the first scanned the 35 mm to get a SD digital source which they then used to edit the episodes. If you actually wanted to turn the show HD, you could do that by scanning the original camera negatives and re-editing them together and is actually usually done when you see a film being "restored". Shows like Friends, Sex and the City or The X-Files, which aren't very VFX heavy habe actually done that, but with sci fi shows like SG-1 the problem is usually the VFX which have to be painstakingly recomposited (which is difficult and time-consuming) and also involves usually recreating many of the digital models which have usually been discarded. Star Trek The Next Generation did one such remaster and it looks amazing, but the show didn't require the recreation of many digital effects and... it also was a massive Money loss for the company at the time.
Yes, that's right -- the HD upscale improves on the quality of the SD resolution taken from the original film. As you say MGM could remaster the series from the film (as TNG did), but this is still prohibitively expensive -- which I think is why they went the upscaling route instead.
@@GateWorldDotNet I think an alternative would be to do what Warner did with B5: remaster all the footage without VFX and upscale the rest. B5 looks inconsistent but still pretty great and much better than on the DVDs.
But from what I see here, the upscales on Stargate look pretty decent. I bought the big box set with all 17 seasons and figured: 10 out of 17 will be true HD, so the math worked for me.
Perfect this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. There was some controversy I saw in other comments and forums but the blu-ray seems to be worth it looking at your video. I wish it was all shot on 35mm so we could have a true 4k some day. If someone actually spent the money to remaster the affects too. But with the last 3 seasons shot digitally that means those would have to be upscaled. And anything on 16mm is lost to that too. I'm going to pick up the blu-rays, sure it's not the perfect situation but it's the best we can expect for now and probably a long time.
It's not perfect but any stretch. But I will reiterate that with some additional hardware upscaling (in my case, an LG 4k television) it looks terrific. Better than what I captured here, which just used a Blu-ray player and a capture card.
The hardware is also going to do the color- correction needed for the local display.
The shot where O'Neil enters the gate room and starts firing on the super-soldier from Avatar in Season 8 shows some clear interlacing artifacts. It's the only one I noticed, but it appears that they might not have had a 1080p source.
I noticed when the supergate was activated the gate itself DID in fact look like native 1080p that was the only time I could tell.. or indicated it was not just 480/576p upscaled to 1080p in the later seasons... also samatha carters pupet hair from the puppet episode
I've looked into Machine learning for upscaling. It would be possible to take the last few seasons of SG-1 and train the AI using that source material. I assume it would work even better because the image structure of the last few seasons would have relevance in the earlier seasons. You'd have to train your own AI image upscaler specifically for SG-1. I want to try this eventually and see how it turns out.
To properly train these things, you need a crap load of source material.
Even then (along with the likes of Voyager, DS9 etc), the initial quality is lacking so much that it's never going to be any better than what you can get from already existing options (that have been trained using a far far far far more extensive video library) like Video Enhance etc.
I like upscaling and sharpening but colour grade takes away some of the sg look. It's to big of a change.
Will be interesting to see how this looks through my 4k bluray player that also upscales & my Samsung TV which can do dynamic color contrast.
Have you had a chance to try it?
Those final seasons definitely look like native HD to me
Absolutely picking up the BluRay set of all of the Stargate franchises 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video.
You have convinced me. 😊
I just ordered the complete collection via Amazon. Also ordered copies of TAOT and Continuum, which I didn't have on Blu-Ray, yet, to complete the set. Haven't seen the show in a while, so This seems a good reason to rewatch it again. Maybe even introduce it to my significant other.
Next to Star Trek and Babylon 5 (and Star Wars), STARGATE was my jam.
Just watched the entire series ,could gave used this two months ago.Some episodes are just unwatchable now.so it definitely worth it if you are a fan.
I'm up to Season 5 on the new Blu Ray set, and I'm VERY happy with it. It looks noticeably better than the DVD set. The colors are stronger (and more accurate), and the picture is sharper. The only negative aspect of the picture quality is a slightly excessive use of DNR. With DNR a little goes a long way. When this set was remastered (and, YES, it was remastered - it just wasn't restored shot by shot like Star Trek was) the technicians used a little too much DNR. Not a lot too much, just a little. Some shots look AMAZING, while others just look passable (by Blu Ray standards). Overall, the picture quality is definitely better than the old DVD's in multiple ways. The first couple of seasons not only had heavy film grain (because of the film stock it was shot on), but it had digital noise from a fairly poor DVD mastering job. That's a HORRIBLE combination. So while the first couple of seasons have a little too much DNR, that is still preferable to the heavy, heavy film grain PLUS the digital noise on the DVD's. I definitely recommend this set for fans of the show.
Sky One started their HD simulcast in time for SG-1 season 10, which was 1080i
8:35 “Carter...I can see my house!”
Love it
This series is one of my favorite SCI FI series of all time, along side Star Trek TNG, thanks for this video.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Gabriel!
I didn't have an old DVD collection as I only recently started watching the series via stream. So I got the big BD box set of all three series, then bought the two SG1 movies.
If it got properly remastered and available, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Pretty sure most of SG fans would.
I’d be down to watch future comparisons of Atlantis and Universe, as well as comparing fan upscales to 4K and higher frame rates to the Blu-Rays
Atlantis is already released in native 1080p on blu ray. Same with Universe Season 1. Universe Season 2 was released in HD on streaming. I'm willing to bet that there will be nearly no difference except for Universe Seasson 2, which will benefit from a higher blu ray bit rate.
@@kevmitchify only one way to find out
I'll have to get my hands on some DVDs again -- my SGA DVDs were damaged or lost. But my guess is that VEI has the same 1080p episodes that they have applied a DNR pass to. So that's probably most of what we'd be looking at in a side-by-side comparison: artifact smoothing.
@@GateWorldDotNet I’d bet we’d also see smoother frame rates too. Also sorry to hear about that.
id love to see stargate remastered i bet it would look great specially the later seasons. maybe one day 4k hdr remaster
40 seconds in and I've already decided I'm getting it on blu ray when I can
They look better but not worth replacing all my DVDs.
The "sunburned" look of the skin is distracting during the comparisons. However, you would not really notice it and/or if you did, it would start to look normal after a few shows. So don't let that be the decision maker. Blu-Ray is always nice, less space, make a copy and store the originals safely away.
We watch the DVDs on a upscaled Blu-ray player. I wonder how much better that new version would be. Our image is already tweaked by our machine and isn't grainy or yellow.
I got all three Stargate series on Blu-Ray from VEI. I had the DVD version of SG-1 and Atlantis and I agree this is no remaster like Star Trek has done with TOS and TNG but this is the best Stargate has ever looked. And it is definitely worth the upgrade.
No it isn't worth it. Your TV is already going to upscale it FOR FREE. Plus, it will get better as upscalers get better. This nonsense upscaled set is not worth the money.
@@reh3884 If you have a TV or Blu-ray player with a good processor I agree you may not want to upgrade. I personally think the quality is decent and worth the cost, especially after having watched almost all of SG1 and Atlantis now.
@@reh3884 No that is not true. The studio has a better upscale source, the original master tapes. Those are way better than DVD. DVD has all kinds of compression issues, and aliasing, blocking etc. Even though the master tapes are not High Def they are still better sources than a DVD upscaled. And plus the Blu-ray has color correction.
This is great! And again, this is why story and writing is more important than vfx. Effects can be updated, remade, upscaled or whatever. But story stays the same. A test of time, shall we say.
I'm upset that they not only sharpened the images, but they had a video editor go in and tweaked the colors as a "bonus". That is a very tricky and subjective process, and it's very easy to over do it (which I think they really did). Many of the scenes now have this overly saturated candy/glossy look to them. It makes many scenes now seem "loud". The contrast has been jacked as well which has removed some details in the shadows. Yes, in some cases the skin tone is more accurate in a vacuum but it doesn't reflect contact. Skin tone with different types of light SHOULD look different and not stay some artificial constant. Very disappointed.
I never noticed how the entire show used to have a greenish tint. Well, it did. Is it more accurate? Probably. I still prefer the new colour grade.
Thanks for going to so much trouble to make this video. I hate to be a negative nelly but I feel like if the remastering is going to cost that much, they're probably never going to do it. 10 seasons is just too many and this is Stargate, not Star Wars or even Star Trek. I'll bet the studio probably thinks it's not worth the time, effort or cost. This is probably as good as it gets and the picture quality is much better (but anything is better than the show's picture quality in syndication, the picture quality for the episodes on Comet is utterly horrible).
It's a real shame because while it was on Stargate was MGM's second biggest franchise - second only to James Bond... BOND! I get that it'd be difficult but on the other hand it's a sci-fi show. How about they be like "We need volunteers to scan and edit these film." Get a production house to do colour grading etc to make sure the episodes look consistent. Audio would probably need to be done 'properly.'
Such a shame. I'm probably going to give these a skip. Maybe one day I'll cave and get them, but their corner cutting here has cost them some $$ from me. Probably still profitable for them, though.
Just found this video as I was looking for information on VEI's BluRay release. After the three years since this video came out, there still does not seem to be a remaster on the horizon. Makes me wonder, should I wait, since I have some of the DVDs and the Blu-ray of Atlantis or should I look into getting this BluRay set?
Many thanks - here in the UK we would never have known this was available (and in the UK it actually isn't, and I am hoping I don't get screwed over with import fees).
Ordered. This will replace my DVD sets, although they will still be kept.
Okay, I followed the original link to the order page at Amazon - only to be told that I was 'outside the shipping range for this item' and it pointed me to another page with the same item on offer so I bought it as they would ship to the UK. They arrived yesterday and when I opened them all I found was a box full of DVD's. DVD-Video on the packaging, DVD-Video logos - so I am returning the set unopened. To say I was disappointed is putting it mildly. So if you are in the UK this product is not actually available, it seems.
I don't know if filming in digital was really future proofing, 1080p digital cameras will look worse than 35mm once it is uplscaled later on to 4k/8k, especially for the CGI visual effects. So those last two seasons will probably look worse in the long run if they ever make 4k/8k releases.
All productions regardless of how they originate are eventually digitized.
Great video. Thanks for showing it. But I don't see a big difference to be honest.
It would be better if they would ask the fans to choose 5-10 episodes from season 1-7 (like Children of the gods, Torment of Tantalus, The Fifth Race, Nemesis, Windows of Opportunity, The Lost City 1-2) then make the true conversion for these selected fan favorites and then release those digitally or on Blue-ray. So they could test the waters if fans are willing to pay for these updated versions without risking too much. Maybe the new owner would invest into it. I would like to see definately a Lost City, part 1-2 extended with Avalon battle sequences.
Been waiting for years for a blue ray release and they didn't remaster it? That sucks.
It just simply costs too much. TNG was a failure money-wise, and no studio is going to do it again.
So good comparison video ! Many thanks !
Thanks for the review. I’m buying this release, I never picked up the series on dvd. I’d been holding off buying it because I knew later seasons were filmed in hd and wanted a physical media copy. This fits the bill, while I want a complete series remaster the cost involved has convinced me waiting longer is unlikely to produce what I want.
although I can see the difference on a 4K TV,... I have to admit, I am disappointed in the release, although it is a little better in clarity and colour.
Still, I have replaced all my NAS collection with this latest release.
yep... i'm doing that too... good times lol
WOW! The quality difference is astounding! If I could buy one, I would, ON A WHIM!
Brother- 35mm film is higher resolution than HD cameras. 35mm resolves at 4-6K. 95% of digitally shot films (even today)- have a 2K post production pipeline. 35mm blows that away with true native 4K+ resolution. (Most 4K blu rays of digital films are upscales from 2K)
Yes, would love to see a comparison on Atlantis
Not a huge difference in picture. I think I'd wait for a remastered version before I replaced my DVDs.
Maybe you will wait forever...
If MGM had any intention of doing a re-master, they would never have greenlit this ripoff project.
If you have the channel epix they've shown SG1 in HD on there.
@@daisyduck8593 Yeah, a remaster will never happen. All the CGI is mastered in SD, so they would have to go back and redo everything, just like Star Trek TNG. This is crazy expensive. As far as I know, the TNG remaster wasn't great business for CBS/Paramount, and if they can't make it worth while, there's no chance for SG-1.
@@GrackAlaciN They could 4K UHD remaster everything (without Special Effects Scenes). But you wOULD see the change in resoltion everytime, what would be very very bad experience... You can even observe this in Continuum. The short jet fighters scenes are very bad quality what is a very bad watching experience... But even the normal scenes. We don't even know how it was cutted. Maybe you need to rescan the filmreels and recut and remaster everthing what is a extremely huge amount of work... Not only that. While doing the SD remster they had fresh film reels. Now they are old and have failures and grain... So you also need to check every frame and photoshop/correct film reels fatige failures... or use artificial intelligent for this... So imo it is a big and expensive Challenge to 4K UHD remaster the whole SG-1 seasons 1-7.
I'll wait for the proper remastered versions.
I find myself in agreement with the bulk of what you've said but it's not worth it for me because I could upscale these myself for free.
One thing tho i might disagree with. A full remaster isn't cheap but i don't think it's as expensive as you think it is unless they're re-doing the VFX as well.. And even then, those effects can be done today by anyone with a fairly decent computer, the proper program, and the know-how. But just 5-10 years ago (such as when ST was remastered) it would have been vastly more expensive than it would be today.
I think that's right -- remastering on the whole shouldn't be as expensive today as it was when CBS/Paramount did it to TOS and TNG. Babylon 5 for example has a new edition on HBO Max that I understand to be a remastering of live-action and upscaling of the VFX (if I am remembering right). And Warner Bros. is generally stingy with putting any money into that franchise.
For most of SG-1 the same would probably have to be done. I don't know if the VFX for those earlier seasons were locked at 1080p exports, or if they'd have to be redone from scratch (which was much of the cost for TOS and TNG) in order to be true HD. (I do have in mind someone to ask, though.)
Yes, and I bet fans would remaster the VFX for free anyway!
@@jimwright1971 Honestly they probably would
Kinda wish some of the comparisons were just split screen instead of wipes. But very good comparison otherwise. Also, it might be due to the way you captured it, or the compression you chose prior to uploading to youtube. But I'm not getting any of the grain even in the DVD. I know from ripping the occasional episode to my computer that the grain is definitely there in the 480p, but here everything is looking rather smoothed out :/
And your statement at 11:26, between season 7 and season 8 is a little misleading. 35mm is generally regarded as a higher quality medium than 1080p, for example 4K scans from 35mm are the norm. What really changed is how they were mastering the shows (the final export). Starting in season 8 the entire pipeline was 1080p. Whereas before their film scans from the film lab were only SD.
Definitely looks like at least seasons 9 and 10, they used the 1080p masters. Season 8 it was hard to tell if the improvement in quality was as drastic as in 9 and 10.
I would be curious to see a blu-ray to blu-ray comparison of Atlantis.
Thanks, Ian. I attempted some still split-screens, and ended up finding a bug that crashed my editor over and over again. So I had to forego it to get the video done.
You're right about the scanning and editing process too, of course. There are so many steps in production (and making UA-cam videos!) where picture quality will be affected. The switch from film to digital was dramatic for production for many reasons, but at the end of the day I suppose the most important was what was being provided to the editor and what the editor was exporting with his final picture lock.
@@GateWorldDotNet and I do wanna be clear that you did a great job! It's a very well done review. Much much much better than anything I've seen. It's well produced and put together
@@IanZainea1990 Thanks, my friend! Learning more every time I put one together.
I've heard there was missing content on the Blurays for the earlier seasons in the way of the audio selections. Something about the original DVDs having the proper surround sound tracks while the Bluray versions omitted them or did a shoddy conversion or something?
I got all 3 sets, and to my eye, they all look better than the old discs. Even Blu-ray to Blu-ray.
Glad to see an attempt was made to bring SG-1 to Blu-Ray! I do think that they need to find the camera negatives or camera positives and attempt a full HD remaster of the series. The series deserves it.
A note on the review. I have the DVD boxed set ripped to Plex, and I don't see all of the yellowing that this review shows in the colors. It's possible something was off wirh the capture or ripping which was being done for the video comparison. Perhaps a color space translation issue or a hue issue.
I have noticed with the Seasons 8 - 10 copies, they look to be upscales / clean-ups of what was given to SyFi or Streaming services. Likewise if you look at the Atlantis Blu-Rays, shots of Atlantis / SG-1 cross-overs that were used in both shows, look far better on the Atlantis boxed set. Likewise for the SG-1 cross-over movies.
I think the colors look better on the Blu-Rays here and anything wider than a medium shot tends to look better as well, props and setpieces especially. But with MCU shots and closer, the skin smoothing gets irritating and especially the older VFX don't mix very well with the artificial smoothness. I'd say this new release nice to have, but it's not going to replace my DVD collection.
Definitely would love to see a comparison for Atlantis (DVD VS new Blu Ray, old Blu Ray VS new Blu Ray).
Could be interesting to see the diferences on the Atlantis series. Is much modern and maybe the upscale from the dvds is noticible.
Thanksss youuu!! Great job n.n
Hi, how comes there are two different versions of Stargate SG-1 on blu ray. They seem to have done a rerelease with slightly different artwork, now a lighter blue and in front of the stargate, still with Jonas. But before the blu ray had the same artwork as the DVD darker blue and inside the stargate. Do you have an idea what and why that is and if the discs are any different, and VEI now advertise 5.1 audio on the website for it, and don't for the DVD version or the big Bluray boxset with all three shows? It's just confusing and wondering about it?
After the release and initial reviews VEI did make those changes you mention ... but we have no idea if the contents of the discs were altered in any way. So I would assume they are not any different.
VEI has ignored our repeated attempts to contact them to get questions answered (or even to help promote the release through our coverage).
Wait, why isn't Daniel on the cover of the box ?
Big fail ! Hahah
That's the million-dollar question and the world may never know. He's not on the Netflix poster/cover art either.
@@ilurvemv Jonas was just kind of a replacement hahah
Sky one was one of my favorite channels for this show. They allways had the crism clean HD shows.
Aw yes! I didn't know it got a blu-ray release! My used DVD set I bought has some skipping in it.
I think this is why we need a proper remaster. You can kind of get by with Seasons 8-10 but the earlier and better seasons definitely need a remaster.
Failry good comparison. The Bluray in some ways definitely looks better than DVD. Despite the upscale what is more bothering is knowing these same masters, but untouched without DNR, were used overseas. In some places the detail due to DNR is gone. Wish they went more easy on that. Imo MGM gave these masters also to VEI and VEI applied the DNR. I doubt they obtained a different DNR'ed version from MGM and just pressed the discs. Had the Blu-Ray had a third less DNR I'd say it's great all things considered. If they ever decide to remaster everything it'll be a challenge.
I Wonder if they will ever release it on 4k!
Super video, danke dir. :) und schöne Flagge im Hintergrund.
Schade hat MGM das Geld nicht für ein sauberes Remaster. SG1 wäre es absolut wert.
Vielen Dank! 😁
Blu-ray colors look a lot better than the unnatural ones on DVD. Far more natural and seems to remove the green hue over most of the DVD content. This is especially nice as the tendency is usually to just adding orange/teal/cyan filters to the extreme when working on older movie/tv content.
Would have loved a rescan/remaster but no one is going to ever spend the money to do it sadly so I'll not complain about something being noticeably better (but not great).
I wish they'd do 4K scans of of many older shows. The ones that were pre-CGI and shot on film.
There's not much that needs to be done with them.
In star trek remastered..they look more tanned. Now that was worth buying on blu ray!
SG:U season 2 has never been released on Blu-ray before, so I'll be picking that up. Personally I don't think the difference is worth the hassle. Have you done a comparison of the special features? Anything extra/missing there?
Also I've seen comments that the audio tracks aren't labelled correctly on the earlier seasons, so Stereo is actually 5.1 and vice versa. Can you confirm that?
The SG-1 set is missing "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown," the first special that aired on SCI FI Channel ahead of Season 7. Otherwise everything seems to be here. Nothing new was produced.
I am not currently set up to confirm the audio tracks, but I've seen multiple reports online that the 5.1 surround is completely botched. After Season 1 VEI appears to have mixed the stereo tracks to 5 channels. Fortunately they don't actually list 5.1 as a selling point, or on the package; they really should have removed it from the menu if they couldn't port it over from the DVD releases properly.
It’s been confirmed now via multiple sources that the Season 1 5.1 tracks are excellent. NOTE that the original Season 1 DVDs did not include 5.1 mixes, so this is a welcome addition. However, the Seasons 2 through 10 5.1 mixes are all botched. For those seasons you should choose the (default) Stereo mixes and let your A/V Receiver simulate the surround via their Pro-Logic II decoders. Nobody knows why they just didn’t just use the 5.1 mixes that were included with the DVDs. It’s been speculated that using the original mixes may have caused some lip sync issues due to all of the video processing. But that doesn’t explain Seasons 8 through 10 which shouldn’t have required as much processing.
@@lovetheblue6659 When you say botched, what are the issues?
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 In the 5.1 mix, each of the five channels contains the stereo mix, not the individual left/right/center/rear left & right tracks.
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 - VEI apparently attempted to create 5.1 mixes from the available stereo mixes. In theory this should have been possible with professional grade PL-II decoders optimized for movie mode, and this is quite possibly what they did to create the Season One 5.1 mixes. However, they apparently set up the decoders wrong for the remaining seasons and/or used different equipment. The end result is rather bizarre, with, apparently, the right stereo track discretely being fed to the surround speakers; while the left track is being fed to the right front, center channel, and left front. So no split surrounds and no front separation is available from these so-called 5.1 mixes. Even the most basic home PL-II decoding circuit can do a much better job of creating a surround effect from the stereo tracks, so just forget that the 5.1 mixes on these discs exist for seasons 2-10. (And VEI doesn’t advertise them as being available, so perhaps it was a mistake that they were even included?)
Maybe in 30 years when 8K becomes the new standard and everyone is used to look 4K UHD for everything on a 75-85'' TV it will be time to get the old film reels out of the archives and try to scan and remaster the show in 4K UHD. Until then, let's enjoy the new Blu-rays.
They can do that. The early seasons were filmed in 8mm which can be upconverted to 4K. 32mm can be upconverted to 16K!
@@scorpiusbalthazar4327 Seasons 1-6 was captured in 8mm. Season 7 in 35mm. Than from season 8 on with digital HD cams. As Far I know 8mm only has native 2-4K resolution/quality...
I give it 5-10 years for 8K being the norm.
@@Starbug1S1 No Dude. Today 1080p is the norm. Check steam the most used resolution is 1080p. And I think same for television n streaming... In 5-10 years 4K UHD may be the norm and 8K the new thing...
8mm? I thought it was 16.
I can actually see a difference here and I’m watching your video on my 2021 iPad Pro UA-cam app.
Wow really very well done video. Thank you very much !!!!
I can clearly see that the Blu-ray version (even the upscaled parts, which also show much less compression artefacts) has a much better picture.
I saw in a video that supposedly there are 2 Blu-ray US versions of Universe. Supposedly the new version is region free the old version (which also has spanish n french language) is region locked. So it could be that I will try to import the complete series from the USA to watch Stargate the fist time in my life in english language.
I have already seen the series many times in German and French. If you are a big fan of the series, you can learn or improve your language knowledge so easily...
Thank you, Daisy! Yes, if I'm remembering right, the original Blu-ray release of SGU Season 1 did have other languages. VEI has opted for an English-only release here.
The sweeps don't really help with trying to compare. Side by sides would have been better.
I tried side-by-side, and the method I was using continally crashed my editor over and over again. I had to give up on them in order to get the video done.
I'll look for a different method for the next picture comparison video.
Cheep capture cards dont have full colour resolution support so unless you have YUY support at that 30fps you are adding a layer of compression as most use MJPEG if anything you should have done true MTS rips for direct comparison....
Correct, as soon as he described how he’d captured this footage, it was hard to take the examples with more than a grain of salt. I have one of these cheap USB capture cards and the quality is poor.
Season 1-3 would be not much benefitting from a 4k remaster, as 16mm is roughly running out of detail between 1-2k. Also season 8-10 would defintely be stuck at 1080p forever, as thats their master. But even star wars episode 1 has this fate.
So for 4k remaster, only season 4-7 really will fully shine
Yeah in the past I always read that for 4K UHD scan you need minimum 32mm. But you can find a lot examples with 16mm 4K UHD scan with google. But you are maybe right the maximum native resolution for 16mm is maybe only 2K.
@@daisyduck8593 As said, 16mm wouldn't much benefit from a 4K scan. The detail of the analog picture is just enough for around 2K, after this you wouldn't see many benefits. Editing would be also much easier in 2K, as computing increase exponentially. It likely depends on the tools they would do it, maybe it would be easier to edit all in 4K as all would basically work same, but editing it in 2K, upscaling with AI to 4K and then add newly generated CGI to it.
Anyway, it is most unlikely this will ever happen. Scanning and reediting all is way too complicated, I would only see this flying for very few shows. Only option which would work is when the studios would let the fans do it, with proper profit sharing. SG1, Babylon 5 and of course Star Trek has so many fans in positions, who could do this for the reason to enjoy their favorite show in 4K not for pure money. I am sure, if they would get the scanned material, you would find enough capable people doing the editing and CGI for the shows. Of course they should get a proper payment, but it would be much more fair for everyone as letting it done by hired pros.
I know Star Wars Episodes II and III were essentially 1080 broadcast cameras, was Episode I 1080 or was it still film?
@@MrInvinciblewarrior 16mm, though the detail resolution might be a little limited, the colour resolution still might benefit from the increased colour and brightness range 4K can provide. If done right of course.
SG-1 seasons 8 through 10 are readily available on torrent sites. They were at one point available on Amazon Prime in 1080p.
Just so you know, at present, no streaming service can match the data rate of actual Blu-ray disc.
@@krane15 Bitrate on Prime is really good. I'm just saying that it's been available for years, so it should be easy to compare to the new release and determine if they just upscaled the DVD versions for some unexplainable reason.
@ The reason is cost. Upscaling is a whole lot cheaper and less risky than remastering 10 years worth of TV shows. It would make the box series more expensive and not enough people would buy it to make it worth the efforts.
Remember, you have to have a A/V system to reveal all of the quality. Besides, at this point if they were going to do a remaster they may as well jump straight to 4K.
@@krane15 Umm, yes. Again. They shot S08-S10 of SG-1, the whole of SG:A and SG:U in 1080p. This was not mentioned in the video and it remains unclear if they merely copied the native 1080p files or upscaled them from 480p for some absolutely dumb reason. I'm missing this comparison in the video.
I have that exact same capture card, its a capture card with very noticable degredation so keep that in mind.
I think I may try it. Thanks!
Late to the game, but i finally had enough money to buy it, the big set with all 3 series
I wish it was better looking, but i don't regret buying it
I feel the same. If in a few years they got their act together and did it right (especially in the sound department) I might be willing to rebuy ... but this is still the best that SG-1 has looked.
Never bought any Stargate discs. These are tempting. Just can't justify the cost at the moment. Maybe when my finances are better. Still be nice to see this get a full remaster. Likewise with Babylon 5. But I don't ever see that happening.
Do you think that the picture on these Blu rays are better than what's offered on streaming options for Stargate?
I do -- but not by a lot, unless like me you have a 4K television that adds further upscaling. My next picture comparison video will be for the streaming services (though with the shows recently leaving Amazon Prime, I'm not sure I'll do it right away -- though I did make sure to capture a bunch of footage before Amazon took them down).
If you have a good 4K TV, go Blu-ray. Otherwise, you'll get a good picture from Amazon Prime ... when Stargate comes back.
Avoid Netflix and Hulu, at least for the first four seasons or so. The picture is 4:3 and the resolution is, TBH, trash.
What about the special features and commentaries, are they still the same?
They're upscaled as well.
Hey, Taylor! I saw an early report that the bonus features were also upscaled, but from the ones I have looked at so far they most definitely have NOT. After watching upscaled episodes they're pretty rough.
The bonus features and commentaries all appear to be here, with the exception of "Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown" -- the first SCI FI Channel special that aired prior to Season 7. That's on the DVD Collector's Edition but has been left out here (I assume for space reasons).
I watched "Small Victories" with the audio commentary last week and had a lot of fun. :)
Awesome video dude an yes for both I for one want to see what it look like now.
Thanks, John!
@@GateWorldDotNet your welcome bub an I meant for all of us I think we do want to see comparisons of SGA and SGU for this set.
I'm hoping Amazon acquiring MGM will mean that all three shows will be back on Amazon Prime in the higher quality format for good
"Your selected delivery location is beyond seller's shipping coverage for this item. Please choose a different delivery location or purchase from another seller."
So i need to continue using the internet it seems!
And they say it's available and they see no reason why anyone want to get it over the internet.
Any info on international distribution?
@@plebsimracer2413 I live in EU (nordic region), no distribution to here saddly, probably only UK and central EU like Germany and Fance
Been waiting for desent BR compact box for over 10years to buy and 200usd is not bad for my fav ever series. (even tho that sum+shipping is corrently my monthly income cos health issues)
I just used a ship forwarder to send it to Australia.
Nothing yet. :( It can be imported if you want to pay, but so far VEI hasn't said anything about distribution outside North America.
@@GateWorldDotNet I hope it gets available some day or i find a way to order, maybe like david said with forwarder.
Also thanks for the content.
I can add a suggestion that you use a program called 'MakeMKV'' which lets you rip the original uncompressed and completely intact files from the diiscs themselves, you would need a bluray drive connected to a PC to achieve this though. but you get an exact copy of whats on the disc with no alterations and compression you would get because of recording from a separate device.
Also really don't think i'm a fan of this release, the use of DNR has gone wayyyy overboard and the upscale itself seems to be fairly basic. Ive seen a bunch of posts from individuals who are doing upscales themselves and the quality is leagues above this release. Also, while the DVD's have a bit of a warmer tint and slightly washed colours, the blurays have gone way too far in the opposite direction for and have made skin tones a bit too pink and saturated imo. Plus with all the issues and confusion with the audio tracks.
I definitely considered buying a Blu-ray drive for ripping, but opted for this less expensive solution. You're right that it's not a 100% perfect rendering of the disc contents, but I think visually it's close enough for what the average consumer is going to be able to suss out.
I agree that the DNR here looks to be a bit much. But I was happy it wasn't as bad as some reviews have made it out to be. Jack, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c at least still look like human beings and not Autons. ;)
@@GateWorldDotNet MakeMKV is the best solution. Consumer grade dvd and bluray players aren't bit accurate output. The original broadcast tapes would have had 4:2:2 chroma subsampling meaning the black and white image is full 480p or 1080p and the colour information was mathematically compressed by 50%. DVD and Bluray use 4:2:0 so its a full resolution black and white image with colour at 25% resolution. Good quality bluray players and PC playback can mathematically upscale the chroma.
You would get a far, far better upscale using the Topaz AI tools on the DVDs. It wouldn't even be close. It would take a long time to do all 10 seasons, but yes the quality would be way superior.
thanks, image is a tad bit clearer and somehow the color profile changed. I can do the upscale myself via software.
Bonjour les Gatters, je découvre votre chaine. Je dois dire que les images en Blueray sont bien meilleurs que les dvd. J'ai tous les cd, car évidemment je suis fan depuis 1977 avec le tout premier film et Kurt. Depuis j'ai fait de nouveaux fans, mes petits-enfants et nous regardons en famille 😁Par contre je n'ai pas trouvé les séries Stargate sg1, Atlantis et Univers en blue ray et en français...Ceux que j'ai trouvé était en anglais et malheureusement je ne parle pas l'anglais et en plus je n'aime pas les vraies voix des acteurs, je préfère le doublage des voix en français qui correspond mieux "au timbre de voix et les intonations" que nous aimons ici. Pour exemple la vraie voix de Ronan n'a pas le même impact sur les scènes de combats pour mes petits enfants, qui parlent tous anglais, que lorsqu'il le regarde en français où il a une voix beaucoup plus grave. Merci pour votre émission qui est génial et par contre vous, vous avez un très beau timbre de voix. 🤩🤩👍
Excellent about time. It will do till we get a true 1080p HD.
the issue here is that you can totally get a 4K clean footage from 35mm but since all the visual effect are digital and probably made in 480p it would need also to remake all the visual effect in at least 1080p to not see a massive gap between scene with actor and visual effect